Lieberman on Quartet call: You can't make artificial peace
Quartet eyes Palestinian state within two years, urge end to East Jerusalem building plans.
By Barak Ravid, Haaretz Service and Haaretz.com Tags: Israel news East Jerusalem Avigdor LiebermanForeign Minister Avigdor Lieberman responded Friday to the Quartet of Middle East peace mediators' call to relaunch Israeli-Palestinian peace negotiations, saying that peace is not something which can be created artificially and with unrealistic timetables.
"Peace will be established through actions and not by force," Lieberman told Belgium's Jewish community ahead of his scheduled talks with the ministers of several European nations.
"The Quartet is ignoring the last 16 years of Israeli attempts, and is giving the Palestinians the impression that they can achieve their demands by continuing to refuse direct negotiations under false pretexts," Lieberman said.
"The Israeli government has made many significant gestures. Now it's the Palestinian's turn to prove that they are really interested in negotiations," Lieberman added.
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas on Friday welcomed the Quartet statement, describing it as "very important."
"It is very important, but what is more important is for Israel to comply with what came in it so that we can launch the peace process," Abbas said in a statement to Palestinian media.
The Quartet, which comprises members from Russia, the United States, the UN and the European Union, called Israel and the Palestinians to renew peace negotiations in order to achieve a two-state solution within 24 months. The members met in Moscow on Friday in an effort to defuse the latest crisis in peace efforts between Israel and the Palestinians.
"The Quartet believes these negotiations should lead to a settlement, negotiated between the parties within 24 months, that ends the occupation that began in 1967 and results in the emergence of an independent, democratic and viable Palestinian state living side by side in peace and security with Israel and its other neighbors," said a joint statement read by UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon.
"The Quartet reiterates that Arab-Israeli peace and the establishment of a peaceful state of Palestine in the West Bank and Gaza is in the fundamental interest of the parties, of all states in the region, and of the international community," said the statement. "In this regard the Quartet calls on all states to support dialogues between the parties."
The mediators also called on Israel following their meeting to freeze all settlement activities and denounced its recent decision to approve construction of 1.600 new homes in East Jerusalem.
"The Quartet urges the government of Israel to freeze all settlement activities ... and to refrain from demolitions and evictions," according to the statement read by Ban. The statement also condemned Israel's approval of the construction in East Jerusalem.
At the start of the talks, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said: "All of us today hope to arrive at some common conclusions which will help to promote the beginning of a dialogue between the two sides."
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, in Moscow, discussed steps to improve the outlook for Israeli-Palestinian peace by telephone with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday.
Netanyahu's spokesman Nir Chefetz said the Israeli leader had proposed some "mutual confidence-building steps" that both Israel and the Palestinians could take in the West Bank. He declined to spell these out.
Clinton met her Russian counterpart Lavrov, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton and Quartet Representative Tony Blair over a closed dinner on Thursday evening before Friday's formal meeting.
No details of that meeting were disclosed.
"We intend to have a very broad-ranging discussion with our Quartet partners," Clinton said at a joint news conference with Lavrov on Thursday. "Our goals remain the same. It is to re-launch negotiations between the Israelis and the Palestinians on a path that will lead to a two-state solution."
The Quartet was formed in 2002 in Spain to assist in mediating an end to escalating violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. It last met on the margins of the UN General Assembly in September.
But its results so far have been meagre, leading some analysts to dismiss it as an expensive club for diplomats.
Moscow had originally hoped to organise a full-scale international conference on the Middle East this year but the lack of progress on Israeli-Palestinian peace talks has forced Russia to settle instead for hosting a quartet meeting.
Biden: East Jerusalem decision designed to undermine peace process
Meanwhile, U.S. Vice President Joe Biden has called Israel's decision to approve 1,600 new homes in East Jerusalem week "provocative", adding that it was "obviously designed by some in Israel to undermine a peace process George Mitchell finally got - our negotiator - finally got back on track."
In an interview with ABC's Nightline which will air on Friday night, Biden reiterated that "Israel's security is undeniably in our interest to make sure it is absolutely secure" and Washington and Jerusalem to "get over" the recent tensions that flared in response to the announcement.
"And so the message is: We've got to get over this," Biden said. "Granted, I condemn the announcement made by that planning council. ... The irony is even that planning council acknowledging not a single new unit can be built at least for a year and maybe never will be built, it was provocative."
The Interior Ministry's decision was made public during Biden's visit to Israel last week, a move the United States termed an "insult" as it came amid U.S. efforts to see Middle East peace negotiations renewed.
In the interview, Biden denied reports that he had told Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that Israel's policy on settlements puts U.S. troops at risk.
"No, I never said that," Biden told ABC.
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U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and UN Secretary-General Ban Ki Moon. |
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Real power resides in the power to be equally represented under the civil authority.
All should have equal rights in the new Israel. Notice Petra already fits at least two of those categories.
I wonder if Lieberman actually believes his own BS?
For a unilateral declaration of statehood by the Palestinians, with borders defined as those prior to Israel's 1967 occupation, and the recognition of their state by the United Nations. This government's activities, and their effects on world sentiment towards Israel's stance, are quickly pushing the Palestinians toward that end. Support for its recognition has been growing, and the Palestinians know it, and after years of dealing with Israel's cat and mouse games, they also know that nothing's likely to change. Bibi is paving the way for them to successfully make a unilateral declaration of statehood. And this would change the picture considerably, where instead of running roughshod over the Palestinians with virtual impunity, Israel would be directly confronting world consensus, and the power it wields. It would then placed in a situation where negotiating territorial exchange for "final status"(which is essentially what the negotiations are now), will become a priority. Its alternative would be to face international ostracism.
But General Petraeus DID! And one doesn't get to be in the General's position by acting on conjecture, assumptions, rumors, or even personal opinion. There must be considerable substance behind his premise for him to have spoken it publicly, and most likely there's far more than that to which we've been made privy.
He tells it plainly without flowery language. Straight from the shoulder. Stupid people who allways refer to him with name calling i.e the bouncer?Well I have news for them for them:Israel needs a BOUNCER especially one who knows how things work.Especially having lived under the Russian regime. The deluded fools should open their puerile minds and see the truth SPOKEN OUT LOUD. Haaretz don't be silly.PUBLISH IT NOW!
Maybe Israel can level the playing field and allow each Israeli citizen a few dozen rockets each to 'respond in kind' to the Gaza rockets that just killed a Thai farm worker? Perhaps Shalit will be allowed to return home after his illegal kidnapping? Israel has managed to live & make peace w/o any help or cooperation from the pals or, the EU or UN who give them financial aid which finances terror. GO ISRAEL!!!!!!
"...peace is not something which can be created artificially and with unrealistic timetables." There cannot be peace unless Israel agrees to it. Peace negotiations are a joke until Israel actually wants them.
For once our Foreign Minister gets it right! Not with farcial artificial politicians, whom he represents so gallantly, can peace be made.
hear you!! Right to the point post; I like that. The ability to read tea leaves, handwriting on the wall, or notice storm clouds gathering appears lacking with the zealots. There are non zealots over there,'Tea Party' Israelis need to be marginalized like the T-bag whackos we have in the US.
The "dear ally" is dear because the "dear ally" lets Israel do what it wants everywhere. The latest BS Israel announced has the world community's shorts in a bunch. Nobody could seriously believe they want war with 1.5+ billion Muslims. You are dreaming. Get your U-Haul early. The UN & US will set up and declare a Pal state with E. Jerusalem as its capital. NO ONE (except our AIPAC lackey congressman) indicates you guys get all of Jerusalem. Zealots yell 'Israel is sovereign' when you wanna do what you wanna do, suddenly victim needing US coverage when BS gets stirred. Petraeus' link to this issue vis-a-vis our troops will resonate with a lot of people. Also, Israel provides medical care for all her people; US gives you billions each year and we don't have universal coverage. There comes a time when folks get fed up with those not living in the real world. You guys are fixing to be alone, and it's a pity you all cant see it, ah, yes, the antisemite claim, standard MO. Tea?
But dear Lieberman You are for an authentic war instead, and you personally will flee to security with your billions somewhere else, Russia perhaps!
How right he is,I know he is not liked,only because he knows the situation as it is and hitting raw nerves hurts. Peace will never be attainable until the Palestinians renounce the PLO charter for the destruction of Israel. How can people want peace when they want to destroy you?
But General Petraeus DID! And one doesn't get to be in the General's position by acting on conjecture, assumptions, rumors, or even personal opinion. There must be considerable substance behind his premise for him to have spoken it publicly, and most likely there's far more than that to which we've been made privy.
For a unilateral declaration of statehood by the Palestinians, with borders defined as those prior to Israel's 1967 occupation, and the recognition of their state by the United Nations. This government's activities, and their effects on world sentiment towards Israel's stance, are quickly pushing the Palestinians toward that end. Support for its recognition has been growing, and the Palestinians know it, and after years of dealing with Israel's cat and mouse games, they also know that nothing's likely to change. Bibi is paving the way for them to successfully make a unilateral declaration of statehood. And this would change the picture considerably, where instead of running roughshod over the Palestinians with virtual impunity, Israel would be directly confronting world consensus, and the power it wields. It would then placed in a situation where negotiating territorial exchange for "final status"(which is essentially what the negotiations are now), will become a priority. Its alternative would be to face international ostracism.
I wonder if Lieberman actually believes his own BS?
and obama rahm and clinton biden are saying ! WHAT ?? when the quartet solve all the other problems of the world by interference ! the sun will have gone cold !
And it is a good point i.e. if we accept Lieberman's statement that "Peace will be established through actions and not by force," then we must also accept Noel's point that this means that the Six Day War changed nothing EXCEPT the uniform worn by the soldiers of the army of occupation. Nothing else changed, and so ALL of the unilateral actions enacted by Israel post-1967 can have no legal standing.
"Peace will be established through actions and not by force," Interesting advice coming from the country who has the force...the wall, the military, the official government status. It's like telling someone that "violence is not the answer" while your knee is on their throat.
"Strange how it is Lieberman making simple realistic statements" - bernard ross Just a matter of career experience. 'Leave the bar now or I will break your legs.'
He states the obvious facts in a simple direct manner. Something none of the worlds leaders are able to accomplish.
to utter such words? Nowhere. The Israeli system allows fringe minority parties to join one another to form a government. Where is the 'will of the people' in such a process? Nowhere. The most important task facing Israel is to put its citizenry back where it belongs - arbiter of who governs. A man like Lieberman as FM is beyond belief - a disgrace and a potential disaster. He was the cost to the PM of the support of a few crazies he unwisely chose as partners.
They already live under Israeli civil authority. There is no other solution to this impasse.
"In these long and bloody 63 years, the Palestinians have not once accepted an Israeli offer of permanent peace, or ever countered with anything short of terms that would destroy Israel. They insist instead on a "peace process" -- now in its 17th post-Oslo year and still offering no credible Palestinian pledge of ultimate coexistence with a Jewish state -- the point of which is to extract preemptive Israeli concessions, such as a ban on Jewish construction in parts of Jerusalem conquered by Jordan in 1948, before negotiations for a real peace have even begun."
Why is it so hard for US and EU to understand that Israel is a sovereign democratic country and does not need to be dictated by others? In the meantime that there are negotiations we Jewish people need to sleep in houses. Israel must build and continue to build without being told what needs to be done for its citizen. this is an internal concern of Israeli government.
There will be no peace as long as Israel brings people like Liberman from Russia and elsewhere to decide whome can and can't live on Palestinian land based on religion affiliations. Also, I don't believe in the Quartet because it's simply hijacked the UN responsibilities in implementing the UN Resolutions passed against Israel. Peace can come only if Israel implements UN resolutions 198 and 242. Those UN Resolutions demands that all Palestinians refugees be allowed to go back to their homes and Israel withdraw to the 1967 border. However, I know many people will argue that Israel will loss it's Jewish identity. I will say to them so what. A Democtatic state of Israel is much, much better than apartheid state. In fact, Israel security will only comes if Israel respect all it's citizens and not only the Jewish ones. Israel one day will be Palestine again the home of all Christian, Muslim and Jewish faiths. People like Liebrman will be sent back and USA must not pay for their retune.
"Its leaders are the blind leading the blind." It seems to me that Natanyahu, Liebermann and co. are the blind leading the blind. (After all the 1,600 housing unit annoucement was dumb to say the least and showed no coordination between the different Istraeli ministries). As far as the PA being democratic, all three elections held in the WB and Gaza Strip (1996, 2005, 2006) have been praised by international observers and the world as democratic and in line with international standards. Finally, even if all other Arab nations have no realy democracies, we have learned quiet a bit(possibly from the Israel).
Larry, Israel can not build on occupy land. This is easy to understan, international community try to tell Israel as long as negotiation is in process do not touch the occupied land, but Israel ignoring the rule of law.
hence the climbdown !!
If nothing fruitful comes out of the NEVER ENDING negociations between the Israelis and the Palestinians and Syrians, then the QUARTET must declare the INDEPENDECE OF the State of Palestine on the part EAST of the Green line of 1967, and the unilateral return of the Golan to the Syrians. Then there is no reason that PEACE will not come to the REGION under the embrella of the QUARTET PEACE KEEPING F O R C E S .
not forgetting of course of VP Biden too, who even making jokes on Building HOMES? ehhhhhhhhhhh settlements. We the American are so proud of them, that we are NOW showing the world ,who are the BOSSES. That business of managing our Foreign Policies are over.Thanks GOD.
... will 'precipitate' peace onto us inadvertently...
The invasion and occupation of remaining Palestinian territories in 1967 seems to have done the trick to remove from sight the occupation of all Palestine since 1947. Negotiating on the basis of 1947 borders would create a more just peace. That does not mean turning back to 1947 - it means to recognize the crime and keeping it in mind when giving something reasonable back to Palestinians, whether 50% land or democratic binational state.
The Quartet is telling Israel, there is hoing to be a Pal state in two years. Israel will decide weather it wants peace or war with that entity.
... what statement could be more ludicrous... precisely these years were the hey-day of the 'settlement industry' on Pal territory... so what "attempts" at hopeful messages was Israel delivering to the Pals?... if they don't knuckle under, we'll take even more... ... hope S#23 is correct that Lieberman's appearance was only a ruse, and not the delivery of yet another doomsday promise...
you don't have to lose the war for the hearts and minds of the world in the process. No question there is little chance for Israel to find a partner for peace while the other side thinks it is winning a war of propoganda. Lieberman will never be a player on that important battlefield, to his country's unfathonable detriment.
Well, well, well. look who is talking again. Chair master ayalon`s mentor Lieberman. I really wonder if Israel could find a worse FM for its own. But interestingly he is correct this time. Coz a peace among Israel and Palestine may not be decided by other countries and institutions. But one should ask Lieberman if he paved the way to negotiate to reach the peace. No, instead he was busy on insulting the others. So now, others are deciding for something regarding Israel without even consulting it. As a country having Lieberman as FM, Israel deserved that.
Ratna, Debka is an utterly unreliable source. They come up with very interesting things to consider, but not to believe. I could imagine the USA moving military forces into the West Bank. If Palestine were to apply to become a US territory, for example. It would not be sovereignty but it would be far far better for Palestine. The USA could negotiate borders with Israel -- borders for the US territory, where the 1967 borders are supported by the whole world and international law, while Israel claims right of conquest. Israelis who want to commute into Israel would be safe in a US territory provided they obeyed US law. That would be about as good as it could get. Unless Israel also chose to become a US territory.
How can UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon envision a Democratic state for the Palestinians, when there doesn't even exist one Democratic Arab State in the World? Does he think the PA, one of the most corrupt governing bodies in the world, could lead the Second (Irak first?) democratic Arab state in the Middle East. No wonder the UN has only become a bashing grounds for Israel...and has totaly failed to meet the goals at its inception. Its leaders are the blind leading the blind.
He has become a total joke that nobody pays att. to. Waste of ministerial position.
Israel has a thriving weapons industry and is one of the worlds major weapons producers. Nonetheless, the American taxpayer shells out three billion dollars a year to buy free weapons for Israel. This is insane. You will never have peace by giving unlimited weapons to one side and denying all weapons to the other side.
Talk, talk, and more talk will not influence Israel. They will respond with their own talk, talk, and more talk. Lieberman says that actions are needed. he is correct. Cut all American aid to Israel. This will open the door to peace. Until that happens, peace talks are a waste of time.
... by Netanyahu. Lieberman doesn't agree with the Quartet and, therefore, Bibi tells him to object all by himself and see what happens next. This way Lieberman may get himself out from the picture. This thing looks like a coup by Lieberman against Netanyahu, but it is exactly the opposite - a coup that is, but against Lieberman himself.
America consideres to send soldiers to Gaza? Now I can see what Biden meant when he said American soldiers will die. He actually meant Hamas is waiting for them. Sorry for soldiers
how is he religious and more to the point France still has plenty of colonies so who are the colonists ?
Lieberman is abosolutely right. If the Quartet is so sincere about peace, why don't they apply their bully pulpit on the Butcher of Sudan, and the tyrants of the world that oppressed and kill their people? Why are they behaving like a loose canon on Israel-the only reliable friend and ally of the Free World?
Lieberman said, "Peace is not something which can be created artificially and with unrealistic timetables." The obvious response is that given the application of sufficient interantional power, a peace will be imposed on the area, and it's one that Lieberman and many Palastinians will not like. International powers have been imposing their terms on smaller powers for centuries. The very boundaries of the Middle East were drawn up by foreign powers for their own interests. You might also note that Kosovo, the historical Serb homeland in the view of Serbia, is not controlled by Serbia because NATO said so and backed it up. Whether Lieberman gets away with an agressive position depends what happens on the world scene. If the U.S. starts publishing maps of what Israel and a Palastinian State should look like, backs it up with U.N. Security Council resolutions, cuts aid, sanctions Israeli trade and finance, what's Lieberman going to do? Ask for humantarian aid like Hamas?
You elbowed Iran off page one. ...and I bet they don't even thank you. You may have really blown it. Obama's fishing for success. You blocked him from working with you. Russia won't cooperate on Iran. But she will cooperate on you. This will meet Obama's needs.
'The Quartet is ignoring the last 16 years of Israeli attempts, and is giving the Palestinians the impression that they can achieve their demands by continuing to refuse direct negotiations under false pretexts...' The 'false pretexts' would be the demand that Israel honor its signed commitments under the Road Map. What's the point in negotiating with someone who openly disregards his word? As to the 'sixteen years of efforts,' would Lieberman be referring to the way Israel engineered the second intifada -- or perhaps he means Israel's response to the second intifada? The 2006 invasion of Lebanon or 'Cast Lead'? He should be more precise.
"Putin announced in Moscow today- while Mrs. Clinton was in town- that he is pushing for the nuclear generator in Iran to be up and running this summer." - arnold The Russians have used every possible ploy to avoid the reactor going on line. The current schedule is the schedule announced months ago. You are grasping at straws arnold.
"Finally Lieberman gets the point: the fallacy of the 1967 war" - Noel That 'fallacy' was a post-war justification. Immediately after the Six Day War Israel thought the occupied territories including the Sinai would be leverage to exchange for peace. Due to BIG mistakes on both sides, this did not happen until AFTER the Yom Kippur War had decisively ended Egyptian and Syria delusions about recovering territory by force. By the last 1970s Revisionist Zionists were in power and the dream of Greater Israel had spawned the expansive settler movement. There were a few strategically placed settlements, and the universally deplored annexation of East Jerusalem, under the Labor Zionists, but you are basically wrong. The Six Day War was a preemptive war, not one intended to take territory. The territory taken extended only to the easiest defended line in every case. And you are totally wrong about Lieberman.
i think now no one Palestinian or Israeli really believe their is a possible peace .for us and the international community peace so simple (Palestinian state on 1967 land).Israel not ready and well never be ready to do that.so why this silly talking about peace.quartet must close this chapter.and let us leave this struggle for the next generation may be they find a solution .or me be Mr Lieberman and his followers burn us or be able to transfer the Palestinian.that's the only real thought in his mind as i beleive
Since Israel won't do what is necessary for peace on its own, the international community must step in and force Israel to do so.
Zionists like Leiberman dont get it. It is Israel which needs negotiations if it wants to keep some the areas it has occupied beyond the internationally recognised 1948 borders. Once Obama asks Abbas "can Israel have them" and he says no that will be the end of it. So far Abbas has been given no incentive to say yes to anything. Israel is not in a position of strength. It is isolated and its position is worsening.
A Palestinian state in Jordan or in Gaza is completely acceptable but we will not have a foreign entity placed anywhere in the land of Israel. For that the Arabs need to win one of their wars of aggression.
Damn Good Point!
... quite so, Yvet, therefore you should remain out-of-the-picture to the greatest possible extent...
but not as much as a democratic Jewish state.
If Israel would limit itself to Israel there would be no problem. Currently hundreds of thousands of illegal Israeli immigrants need to be dealt with,
The world is getting tired of hearing B.S. from Israel about negotiations. The acquisition of territory by war is prohibited, and that includes Jerusalem.
"The Quartet believes these negotiations should lead to a settlement, negotiated between the parties within 24 months, that ends the occupation that began in 1967 ..." This presumes that the problem is he "occupation that began in 1967". Unless and until there is recognition of what LEAD to the "occupation" - i.e. Arab aggression and the non-acceptance of Israel as a Jewish state -there will never be peace.
"the number of Pals in the entire world from 250.000 is now 10 million". I wish Palestinian all the best. Quality and not quantity that is the Jewish moto
He got to meet with seven eurpean ministers, the most important ones, from Malta, Monaco,san remo,Andora, San marino, Lichtenstein, and I forgot the seventh, it must be even more important microcopic as it is. General world peace plan will be drafted and imposed on the rest of the world. If it does'nt work Lieberman will resign to the great regrets the rest of the world will suffer.
The biggest liar on the face of the earth is this Liberman. Peace cannot happen with having a narrow mentality and not accepting the genuine demands of the other party. Israel is the one who is resorting to force and building on the occupied land.
"o descredit Hamas whilst the EU Foreign Minister is visiting could be a reasonable commentary of what just happened. Just unfortunate that a Thai gentleman was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Although with the number of casualties caused by Qassams, the timing of this fatality must be suspect, and there should be an autopsy using International observers to ascertain how gentleman died. Israeli refusal causing suspicions. The did he jump or was he pushed analogy. Afterall if Israel is prepared to kill people in Dubai, then Israel would be prepared to kill an innocent Thai civilian in Israel and then blame it on the Palestinians. remember that anti-semitic post of yours? Before while I disagreed with your statements i didn't find you anti semitic but now, well there's no other way to put it than that you are anti-semitic. You have no place on this website, all you belong on one of the neo-nazi sites or something.
Trust Lieberman, his vision is the clear one. trust him and follow his line and we are sure that peace is at hand , it will be established after the battle of Armagedon when the Messiah will come and we shall all follow his going up to Jerusalem singing Halleluiah. How ever, untill this days comes true let us get rid of the Lieberman movement, the Yshai (or rather Yeush one) and other religious extremists.
sooo... "A very dear ally" What in God's name have you done for us recently aside from use us to stop the UN from justly condemning you for your intractable approach to the Palestinian situation?
...The "deal" must be closed, with final status peace talks which will be completed in 24 months. Also, comprehensive talks & treaties with the Pals, Syrians, and Lebanonese.
Hopefully the Americans get green line from UN first and that would not be difficult.
The UK & USA slam Israel for their policies , even though Israel is supposed to be their great friend who they wish to protect...but why do we never see the same level of diplomatic action against the Palestinians, Iran or Russia for their actions in the area...Also given that Iran is supplying the weapons that kill USA's and UK's soldiers in Afghanistan we still hear nothing ? Is it because we have a Stalinist Prime Minister in the UK and because there is a Muslin President of the USA?
The man is right you can't built trust overnight and whilst you can create an artificial state overnight that doesn't mean that you will have peace Instead of the time table based oslo which assumed we would just all be friends overnight it should have been a long term solution without deadlines. There would have been times when there was progress and times when things would break down and everything would stall but the program takes that into account At first the arabs would ask nothing from Israel it would be trust building. Slowly as conditions became right Israel would make concessions based on what the situation allowed no staged plan. It might have taken decades it might have happened quickly but the end result would have been REAL PEACE and the end game was to create an arab state of some kind because there would have been no expectations nobody was looking for a quick solution just a working one. Instead we opted for oslo whose foundations are fantasy based so doomed to fail
Wake up ans smell the coffee ... and stop embarrassing yourself!
Any peaceful gesture to Arabs so far was interpreted by them as a sign of Israeli weakness and , instead of reciprocation , the answer was always only increased terror . Look in to history . So from now on Lieberman wants to bounce the Arabs into real peace , a peace which does not accommodate any terror leanings with which Arabs have hard time parting .
more meetings with drivel but no outcome... so, two years time until international community takes over. it would be best, when west bank, gaza, jerusalem were taken under international control immediately. everything else causes just trouble. proven.
In present times I agree with you. In another 20 years who knows. Maybe by then the very idea of democracy would be already buried.
The difference, dear Arnold, is clear to most intelligent people without an agenda. Russia does not receive billions from USA. Russia does not depend on America for security nor to defend it from UN votes. America does not defend Russia blindly, alienating her from a large part of the world. Russia has always been a competitor, never a friend, far less an ally.
decry Palestinian incitement but increase Israeli racism, repress civil demonstrations, etc. Lieberman's philosopy - tell a lie often enough and people will believe it.
It is said that the most dangerous place in Washington is between a Democrat and the television cameras. Conversley, is is also just as dangerous to between Republicans and the exit when the television cameras show up. If the TV news reports peace, that's all the definition Democrats need. Since the TV news in the United States hates the state of Israel, it follows that they use the Arab definition of peace. Therefore the only definition of peace the Obama administration needs is when the Jews are driven into the sea. Want proof? Just read a post here from any Obama supporter.
So many promises you have promised us but none has come true You, your MP and your wishful thinking is and are a JOKE!
Going forward "The Quartet believes these negotiations should lead to a settlement, negotiated between the parties within 24 months, that ends the occupation that began in 1967" Does that mean the quartet views anything in th 1949 armstice line as Soveriegn? This is a most crucial question that must be answered before taking 1 step towards the discussion of the above. Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Moon, please advise as your answer will determine a lot.
We all know that if it was up to you we would have ended far away from your eyes. But guess what, it is not Holland where the Moslims are doing as the wish. One day you will wake up and see your daughter forced to cover her head and celebratin Ramadan because it became an oficial dutch holiday. Wake up from your GL dream becaues my drem is coming true.
may be he shouldn't just slam the quartet. i think he should teach them a lesson or two by waging war against them. then, having instilled the fear of god sorry, the fear of him! in the world's hearts, nobody will dare contradicting him! but hold on, didn't he say that he is resigning?
To know that LIeberman is representing Israel I am simply appalled and humiliated before the world. He does not support peace or the two state solution and is not fit for his job so why is he still there? My hope is that after the Netanyahu-Obama meeting on Tuesday he and Yishai will be gone.
Once the four ants got hungry they had a conference. ?-Let us hunt down and kill an elephant? they said.. They planed the hunt, jumping down from a branch that the elephant passed. The elephant felt something tickling and shook. Three fell off, tuning to se one of the fellows clinging to the skin down the neck. They shouted in chorus: ?Good Aunty now just strangle him!?
The Children and elderly that are indescriminately bombed in Israel by the pals. Its in your constitution to secure Israel at all costs just like Japan, Taiwan and many other countries. Obama is sted fastedly on tract for Impeachment at the rate hes going
He was only repeating what the commentators were saying.Not_ what_ HE_ in reality_ thinks_ or agrees_ with_. Read it carefully
Rather than pushing Israel to do his bidding when the most important subject is Iran and not a measly few apartments being build in Jerusalem for our Jewish residents. Take FIVE OBAMA
Putin announced in Moscow today- while Mrs. Clinton was in town- that he is pushing for the nuclear generator in Iran to be up and running this summer. Something that Obama has been pushing against. So now the question. What is Obama to do or say ? He was very vocal against Israel building homes in Jerusalem. What will he say to Moscow ?
"Peace will be established through actions and not by force," articulates the fallacy of the 1967 war, occupying WestBank and Jerusalem for so-called security reasons. Further, actions to reverse the land grab for Greater Israel are precisely what Israel must now do in order win respect of all nations in the international community and to bring about peace.
I cannot imagine how Israel expects to be taken seriously on the international scene with a religious nutcase like Lieberman in the role of Foreign Minister. What kind of impression does a swivel-eyed colonist like him make with civilised people?
Israel is no longer in the driving seat able to stall all progress towards the two state solution. Israel is going to either get on the same page, or as General Patreaus manouvering in Washington is showing. The peace will be imposed on Israel based on the Greenline of 1967 with a few minor adjustments as previously agreed to make some illegal settlements legal. It will then be enforced by the United states Military thus improving the US standing amongst Arab States. Ther party is over, and the bill payer is telling Israel what services he requires for his investment..
Mr Lieberman stated some weeks ago that no one should expect a peaceful settlement between his country and Palestine for at least 10 years. Still, it would be highly interesting to hear what specific "actions" he suggests. Hopefully, non-military.
The Quartet is dysfunctional and the Americans know their limits with Israel. The Palestinians will not have a state in the near future.
A peacefull democratic palestinian state is an oxymoron.
Hilary is about to give George a smacker on the lips. Fehhh!!!
What a brilliant chance to begin cleansing Israel and Palestine of bigotry and violence; well, at least to have the whole world on the side of peace for once. This could be over in our lifetimes. The losers would be religious extremists, military-industrial complex and racists on both sides. Good!
I think it should be announced immediately with an actionable plan to build governmental and social institutions. Dr. Fayyad is already doing that. Israel will then suffer from a political embarrassment. The world must support Palestinians to relief them from tens of years of occupation.
America and the European will not DARE yo invade Israel or to send any army to Gaza or West Bank. Israeli IDF not arab stupid army Have good day
Ever heard of aliyah?
Shame on you. the number of living Jews has decreased since the holocaust and the number of Pals in the entire world from 250.000 is now 10 million. We will not be an easy prey like Sudan, Nigeria, Tibet.
ensuring Israel's continued security, meaning a halt to iran's nuclear ambitions or the destruction of its nuclear sites. In that way, all the extremists will be the loosers ;-)
It will be great to have a peacefull democratic palestinian state in 2 years in most of the West Bank and Gaza. It is more realistic for another 20 years.
the world has had enough with Israel, you should come and see what Westerners are saying about your country. I dream of a day when the American and European forces invade Israel aND RID IT OF GANGSTERS LIKE oVADIA yossef and binyamin netanyahu.
This statement by the quartet should have been issued years before. Though its very welcome right now. Israel must start to comply to the demands issued by the quartet. If Israel stays defiant, IMHO, the quartet should start to impose serious sanctions against Israel. Israeli website Debka stated to today that the U.S. is willingly to send its military forces to the West-Bank in order to protect the Palestinians against Israeli aggression. If so, the next step will be a total cleansing of all Israeli settlements under the watchful eyes of American military forces. In other words: the zionist dream of a biblical Israel is forever over! Free Palestine!
Why waste time with talks while is Israel is merely paying lip service to making peace? Implement 2 states. The US population is on your side Mr President.
Why won't the world accept that Israel is responsible for Israel. We don't need the world to tell us what to do. Israel has every right to build, with or without the US. The US may lose a very dear ally if they don't change their tone.