Jordan: World must stop Israel settlement building

Ian Sent you three responses all written in same manner agreeing with you.You took the words out of my mouth.i.e What the british,or myself would call him:Abdullah is what we in Britain call a pip-squeak. He has nothing worthy to say,bar making funny little noises.What makes me laugh is:Whenever he is in public-be it now,or when visiting the US at the White House lawn,he is always frowning,to show how serious he is.Funny little man who is frightened to death(with good reason i may add)that the pals are going to relocate where their brethren all live anyway. This scares the shit out of him for sure. That sooner than later this will come to pass is a forgone conclusion.

First, remember the settlements have only been an issue since 1967. Prior to 67 there were no settlements and Israel still endured wars and terrorism. The way to peace is having partner to negotiate with. That means when power transfers, you honor your past agreements. Arafat allegedly accepted Israels "right to exist". Hamas the most recently elected group says it does NOT accept Israels "right to exist". By contrast Israel made peace treaties with Egypt (late 1970's) and Jordan (early 1980's) and has honored all agreements through multiple leadership changes. Palestinians have not honored past agreements, so who do you negotiate with? Stephen Connor your point is well taken. It is easy to blame the settlements. What about the Hamas charter, daily rocket and sniper attacks. The indoctrination of their children to hate Jews( Mein Kampf and Protocols of the Elders of Zion; runaway best sellers in the Arab world). Maybe these are obstacles too?

Hamas still has a charter that calls for the destruction of Israel. Hezbollah runs Lebanon and is dedicated to the destruction of Israel. So your idea that the Saudi plan would bring peace is naive at best. The difference is, if your wrong...and I think you are...and the 22 Arab states attack Israel, or even half of them,it's Jewish people in Israel who will die. While you will sit at home and write posts. You ask Israel to trade land for a piece of paper that the Arabs themselves would not enforce. Let me be clear if Israel accepted the Saudi plan its enemies would still attack Israel, period. The Saudi's are in no military position to enforce their plan and what Muslim country do you think would defend Israel?. Hamas and Hezbollah do not accept that plan anyway. Hamas cannot or will not even stop the rocket attacks for six months?

The only realistic way to force the necessary confrontation between Israel and the rest of the world is to cause the outrage that continuing the "judaization" Of East Jerusalem will eventually bring about. So - Go Bibi, Go!!

"That`s only at times when there are impending riots." sdhd ut sdhd---are there not always impending Arab Riots---is that not what Israel strives for. You know---fuel for the faux victim claim. Good night sdhd---happy dreams---tomorrow when you wake up one of two things may have happened. a---Abbas may have disbanded the PA and Palestinians will be demanding their right to vote or B they will declare the State of Palestine and send it to the UNSC for approval. Either way--Good bye Israel---wel done sdhd---so much effort and such little result. Well done indeed.

shoot rockets . You shoot rockets while claiming at the same time that you all are seeking peace?Tthat ship was full of rockets. You only seek peace by force and even thats a lie also. You do not want peace, the truth is ,is that you only want the world to beleive that. While at the same time you all shoot more rockets into Israel

Mark, Regarding your strategic epiphany: ""Israel wants peace ...... settlement building a brilliant and non-violent way to get your enemy to the peace table. It says hurry or you won`t have any land!" That is a double edged sword as dangerous to the wielder as the wielded. It may eventually lead to a classic illustration of the old adage:"hoist on your own petard." Peace Stephen

"What about the hypocrites celebrating in Europe? Angela Merkal for instance." Merkel follows a personal urge to impersonate the "repentent" German whenever possible - public opinion has different views.

You typed "Good For Nothing Organisation called U.N." Interesting it was the "GOOD FOR NOTHING UN" that allowed the existance of israel. Very interesting statement lol

Abdullah should hear what he wants to avoid... He should take his fellow hashmemites, camels, goats, sheeps and women and go back to the Peninsulae Arabica... That's the real place they belong...

"Israel has no interest in giving back land. " 1) In order to "give back land," it must be given back to those who owned it in the first place. Jews living on properties which were Jewish-owned prior to 1948 wouldn't be "giving back land." 2) Israel gave up the Sinai, and more recently - Gaza. "THINKING" and "INTEGRITY" aren't the hallmarks of being blindly anti-Israeli.

How did I miss reading yours?because I tend to omit reading many.What else is there to comment after perusing yours. Indeed an incredibly brilliant post.Bravo

"That`s an easy one, Swiss Dino. International control over the Old City and environs." Here's an even EASIER one, cummings. Why don't you try that grand experiment on some other city first. Instead of taking the ONLY Jewish capital and holy city and internationalizing it -- try it with someone else's first and see how your moronic social experiment flies.

"Yes, Muslims have a right to their places of prayer in Jerusalem, but only if they`re over 45 or over 50 depending," That's only at times when there are impending riots.

The Pals can't have Israel, so eventually they will take over their true country, Jordan. King and Queen are getting rather nervous.

You're right in that Ten Million Muslems have managed to murder each other since 1947. The death of 7 Million more Jews would be a regretable necessity at best. But you're also wrong. The new Settlements ARE the obstacle to beginning negotiations. Who knows, maybe the idea is, stop the Settlements, break up the Wall and dismantle road blocks,return the Golan, give back the Shaba Farms,Return East Jerusalem and admit millions of Palestinian Refugees back into Israel...and THEN there will be War. That's why, in my opinion Israel is stuck, with no way out but to build...and that's just plain wrong. a bit of Divine Intervention at this point wouldn't go amiss.

Angela Merkal for instance. During a recent speach marking the fall of the Berlin Wall, Angela Merkal mentioned other walls that need to come down for the good of international relations, but no mention of Israel's apartheid wall and occupation of Palestinian lands!

Both warning fall on Israel today. And Egypt's opinion is the same but Jordan is it's spokesman. Why all the 'end of the world' stuff? What 'catastrophe' could possibly befall Israel from the arab side? Aren't they so weak and powerless that they couldn't kill a fly? Besides, what materialized after previous warnings, like Sadat/Assad in 1972 and Arafat in 2000? Nothing. I remember that the Yom Kippur war and the 2nd Intifada were nothing but cake walks for the good ol' IDF!

His father King Hussein was a honoured and brave man,his bravery allowed him to make peace.We own Israel is our land.

"Answer: There would be peace." Of course there would be peace. Peace on Israeli terms - or simply subjugation to Zionist colonialism. Great offer, thank you.

This abomination of a belief has got to be stopped, while they publize the very minor stuff that Isreal does to Pals brothern Muslims of this World are killing their own people by the scores. Sunnis angainst shities, what a way to have a battle where the human Rights and Un are so foccused on jews the Muslim War on one another are barbaric in their in-humane murdorous indescriminate killings of innocent Muslim Children and Women by the Thousands in various countries. Shame on all Muslims for not voicing their disgrace. Islam is not of peace, so sad

Abdullah is what we in Britain call a pip-squeak.The more he's squeezed,the shriller he gets.One day the poor Jordanians will get wise to their misery being because of him. Jews have the sense to keep to their law of never appointing a foreign king. THREE CHEERS FOR ISRAEL!!!

Don't deny Durson the ability to drown in her own cool-aid of fancy and fake legal arguments. There is no legal body on earth--especially the UN general assembly-- that would not recuse 2/3 of the membership for being Islamist and biased. Israel however, needs to lay down the marker to the little Hashemite usurper across the river that Jerusalem is not going back to the Arabs--the only ones who have denied religious freedom there the last century. Directing the affairs at Al Aksa mosque is no different than directing affairs at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. It has nothing to do with sovereignty.

Your comments are so out of touch that they hardly dignify a response. "Israel wants peace ...... settlement building a brilliant and non-violent way to get your enemy to the peace table. It says hurry or you won`t have any land!" I really like the notion that settlements are a "brilliant and nonviolent way" to resolve conflict. Is that why there has been no peace in over 60 years? Israel has no interest in giving back land. Read Henry Siegman's piece today in Haaretz regarding Israel's pathology.

The world does not care. The King of Jordan has problems of his own. Several tribes are rioting in Amman because the police tortured a street peddler to death.

1) What would happen if Israel would unilaterally laid down it`s weapons and vow not fight? If in addition Israel would accept the Saudi Plan which states Israel would be recognized by 22 Arab states including Palestine, then peace would reign. Problem is, Israel wants to steal more and more Palestinian land and water, that's why we don't have peace 2) What would happen if the Arab Palestinian laid down their weapons and vowed not to fight? Then Israel would accelerate the land theft in the WB and start forcibly transferring Palestinians into Jordan until Israel could annex the entire West Bank. -------------

-ar for years, well said!! That is indeed the bottom line

-salem , when your country controlled it and refused jewish access to the holy sites? Where was you concern for pal well being as it pertains to their statehood when your country massacred them by the thousands....infinitely worse than anything israel has done in self defense? where is your concern for the terror perpetuated by muslims against jews long before israel was a state, long before your country (on multiple attempts) tried to destroy israel, and long before any "occupation" or settlements?

#34: Give us ALL the reasons, and whilst you're at it, try and think of some reasons for peace. You have an interesting take on history, if any knowledge of it at all, it seems. When did Israel "invade" the land and hoes of the "Palestinian people"? in 1947, when UN Resolution 181 was adopted, perhaps? Or was it when the Arab armies invaded in Israel, once it declared Independence? Ah no, you must be referring to the '67 War or was it '73..but I think you will find the first was a justifiiable preemptive strike by Israel and the latter was actually an invasion OF Israel not BY Israel. I know, you're referring to Transjordan occupying the West Bank and Egypt, Gaza, after their failed invasion of Israel.. Jihad and Peace are incompatible..or, perhaps I have missed something..??

Albert Einstein said in his last days of life: ?Religions are childish Fairy Tales?. It is mostly false and negative and sets people against each other. It's very sectarian. There is no place for it in modern civilisation. We need minds to be opened and polished and furnished with the great wonderfulness of science and knowledge, not poisoned with the redundant mindless idiotic sewage of horrible ignorant stone age savages.

"The Pals have the same access to the legal system, free press and political office as any Jew" What rubbish!

If they truly seek peace. Others wise stop the lies and admit your not capable of peace with others than your own. They do not seek peace they seek submission. Wake up world before you submit to sharia.

I'll ask everybody here just two questions: 1) What would happen if Israel would unilaterally laid down it's weapons and vow not fight? Answer: The Palestinians along with Israels enemies would immediately attack, killing every Jewish man, women and child with the intent to exterminate the Jewish race in Israel. 2) What would happen if the Arab Palestinian laid down their weapons and vowed not to fight? Answer: There would be peace. That is the difference in a nutshell! Most here who write against Israel simply want its destruction. They may try to hide their intention through hollow indignation, but in the end that is all that will satisfy them. We have a simple case of Good vs Evil. Israel wants peace. The Palestinians and their supporters simply want to kill the Jews. That is what I believe, and nothing I've read here convinces me otherwise. I think it's sad and sometimes I wonder...what the answer is, or could be?

There was NO "initial invasion" as you put it. The fact is the land was purchased not stolen so save your myths. Actually about 10 years before Arafat died a Palestinian paper published a list of prominent Arab families that sold land to the Zionists...prior to the rebirth of Israel..., Arafats family was among them, to his embarrassment. The Pals have the same access to the legal system, free press and political office as any Jew so your "wretched treatment" remark is nonsense. In fact show me how many Arab countries allow Jews those same rights? or show me an Arab country besides Jordan that gives the Palestinian Arab those rights? Israel wants peace their response to murder and terrorism is settlement building a brilliant and non-violent way to get your enemy to the peace table. It says hurry or you won't have any land! The Pals are just to stupid to see it they would rather play the victim.

ABDULLa and Jordan has created the PAL problem by turning their backs on the native PALS who are JORDANIAN...he has wiped this poop off his shoes and dumped his problem with the PALs onto Israel, the West and the EU. He is the worm in the apple. IT"S ALL ABDULL's fault! He is the REAL problem maker. He needs to own up to his FEARS of his people, the PALs and be the one to solve the real problem first, of Egypt with Gaza, and Jordan with the PALs.

That is why Jerusalem was supposed to be an international city in the first place... It was not meant to be owned by either side in the first place... This is the only fair solution....

There are many reasons that Palestinian resistance against the Israeli occupation are justified. The primary ones include, (1) The initial invasion and occupation of the homes and land of the Palestinian people, (3) The wretched treatment which Israel accords the Palestinian people, (3) The continued expansion of Israeli "settlers" into land outside Israels borders. There are many more reasons as well. How many do you want? The Palestinians have justification for continuing their resistance for many generations to come.

illegal to use civilians for defense. The Separation barrier belongs on Israeli territory, not across Palestinian farms.

International control over the Old City and environs. Heck, international control over the whole of Jerusalem, as the UN partition plan, never rescinded, calls for. It is too important to too many people of different faiths to be handed over to one religious group's sovereignty and malign, bulldozer-led rule.

"San Remo International Conference awarded the whole Palestinian Mandate (120000 km2) to the Jewish People in 1923 !" That is simply a lie.

No israel, No Palestine. One State Solution is the best!. One Man, One Vote, Equality for all inhabitants, Equal Pay for Equal Work, Equal Water Rights, No Apartheid, No Segregation...A Very True Democracy. Let us call it :?State of Holy Land?.

Jerusalem conquered and divided in 1948 scarred by a no mans land at its heart. Jordan encouraging pouring of garbage and feces on Jewish holy sites. A seven mile wide area between Egypt and Jordan two hostile nations at the time. It is to this that Israel is being asked to return in the name of peace. King Abdullah, Presidents Mubarek and Obama, other world leaders: Know this! The answer from every Jew inside and outside of Israel is, "NO!" Jerusalem is our capital. The Palestinians can have a state but not on their terms, on ours. Our weak governments have conceded enough. Let Jordan, a country that lost wars it started with us concede additional land to their Arab brothers if what Israel concedes is insufficient. The time has come for all Israelis to remember the days between 1948 and 1967. To remember a divided Jerusalem. And to tell the world we have reached our limit as a people and as a nation.

Since Israelis/Diasporas and Arabs/Muslims seem to be incapable of finding a compromise, maybe it's up to the rest of the world to decide what's going to happen with Jerusalem ??? Honestly, I think so indeed.....

christians from 33ad onwards muslims from 700 ad onwards crusaders try to eliminate jews and muslims 1th century to 13th century ad muslims try to eliminate jews and christians 14th century ad till 21st century

People need to understnad that statements like the ones made by King Abdullah are a matter of preservation for him. He is afraid of being murdered by the same people who send rockets from Gaza, so he makes a periodic statement in support of sending all of his palestinian problems to Israel. I would feel sorry for him if I could. Barry Zornberg

We know prior to 1967 there were NO settlements yet things were the same (i.e. 1: terrorist attacks against Israel were frequent, 2: Arabs refused to recognize Israel right to exist, 3: Arabs taught there children from birth to hate Jews and destroy Israel etc.). Now here we are in 2009 and everything I just mentioned above still continues 1)There are almost daily rocket attacks at civilian targets. 2) Hamas refuses to accept Israel's "right to exist" 3) Schoolbooks indoctrinate Pal children to hate Jews(commit suicide) and destroy Israel. The only difference is NOW they say it's the settlements. YEA, RIGHT!

Hardly likely Gilad since I'm there most weeks. Probably unlike you, there are Jews who have made it their business to take a look over those ancient walls not only westwards but also to their east, from ground level, not as part of a protected tourist group. Shutting your eyes to problems won't make them go away Gilad. Even you say 'for most days of the year' when talking about Muslim access to the Temple Mount - in reality there are many restrictions and Muslims who live in the territories have to traverse not one via dolorosa but several in order to get to Jerusalem at all. Under Israeli control, are there any days that Jews are denied access to the Wailing Wall?

You are not Khaled Khaled knows that Mecca is for all Muslems and the ARABS, he knows Muslems represent les than 10%. Jesrusalem was always open even dduring pre 1967 to all people inclusing the Jews and their wall was never messed with or distroyed during the Muslem and Arab empires. Khaled is a dear name to all Muslems, a name of a goreagous leader who opened the world eyes to Islam. Go hide uner another name.

but instead of Abdullah welcoming the pals in Jordan he places the onus on Israel where the Pals won't feel at home anyway. Abdullah knows that if he ever caters minimally to the pals he would be no. 1 on their hit list.

It is to act as a security belt around Israel's most populated area, and therefore the favourite target of terrorists that kill just any citizen, including christians and muslims. They should be grateful and instead demand to have rockets fall on their head too, or suicide attacks to resume as in 2004, before the wall. That can't be right.

and they still dare criticize us .... San Remo International Conference awarded the whole Palestinian Mandate (120000 km2) to the Jewish People in 1923 !

Christians are certainly terribly upset with what the wall and settlements are doing to Christian and Muslim areas in East Jerusalem. They often write in their bulletins and fliers and esp. during the high holidays and ask their fellow congregations to pray "for hearts and minds to be more open and accepting..." I suspects if Jesus of Nazareth lived today he would throw the peddlers out of the Temple area too. ( He threw out his own...) Still others complain about how disheartening they feel about the Christian message of "Peace and Goodwill to the World and Among Men" being barricaded behind the wall and settlements. It all seems so wrong as Christian and Muslim and Jewish tracks have always crissed crossed the Middle East since ancient times. That's a tradition that ought to be upheld to-day. Plus, there is something beautiful about diversity of people. It's like the natural order of the species...Dutch

Me: Israel must ignore the World and go full steam ahead .

Oh come on! The biblical claim of the Israelis on Jerusalem has value as much as other religious claims by Christians and Muslims. Using religious references is therefore simply counterproductive. It is also against current international law because Jerusalem is classified by the UN and other international organisations as occupied land. Jerusalem must serve as the capital of all peoples of the Holy Land; it must symbolise the wisdom and compassion of sharing the Promised Land. The only realistic way is to divide Jerusalem between Israel and the Pal state.

Jordan wants the Pals to be Israel's problem, not his. Not doing a very good job of it, is he? If they stay in Jordan, he might murder as many of them as his father. Or, next time, they murder him.

A Jordanian court recently summoned twelve European citizens to answer criminal charges of blasphemy and inciting hatred. Critics of Islam face the imposition of a death sentence, ?if the charge is blasphemy and it is being tried by a sharia court. This isn?t a joke. It isn?t sufficient to avoid assisting to Jordan. It means the condemned ?libeler? needs to be careful to avoid assisting to any third country ? even just a stopover at its airport ? that has an extradition treaty with Jordan. It also indicates that Jordan ? which is lauded as western-oriented ? expects Muslim law to be obeyed by Europeans. The only reason to the existence of Jordan at : http://xrl.us/omvbu

More and more of rhetoric from our beloved king. I think you should do what you really excel at: Driving fancy cars, Burning up Harley Davidsons and Making miniature Tanks that you play with. Your dad screwed it up before you, but he was way wiser and smarter.

Maybe the world should bring real Democracy to Jordan?

It's been the same song for decades. This along with "time is ripe for peace", "peace now or never", "closing opportunity for peace." Yawn. Not news. Not new. Not true.

It's nobody's business what Israel does in its capital. The Arabs have Mecca.

It is clear that you are not exposed to the truth about Jerusalem. You read and listen to those who spew propaganda and you have no idea what is going on. For your information, for most days of the year, the Temple Mount is open to all Muslims of all ages. This is fact. Ask any honest Palestinian who lives in Jerusalem and prays regularly on the mount. And by the way, if the Temple Mount would ever pass into Palestinian hands, Israeli Palestinians will find themselves on the wrong side of the fence. So when Transjordan and Palestine were divided by the colonial powers into Jewish and Arab independent entities, what we got was two Palestinian entities and a third that was mixed, a real curse.

I think it is Abdullah who should internalize the importance of Jerusalem to the Jews, and yes Christians. Jerusalem is Judaism's holiest city. The city where the the Rabbi Jesus grew angry at the religious Jewish establishment for allowing money changers onto the Temple Mount (yes there was a Jewish Temple there). In the meantime, the Arab population of Jerusalem has grown at least 5 fold since 1967, and when there is no violence instigated by religious Muslim hotheads, any Muslim from the city or Israel can pray there. My question is what does Abdullah want? Does he want Jews to simply deny their history and give up it's long standing rightful claim to Jerusalem because the Arab world thinks the Torah is a collection of lies? Your a King, act like one who understands things.

Gaza should be the capital of any future Palestinian state. We have seen in the past that the Arab communities are not capable of maintaining Jerusalem in a dignified state. All Jewish places of worship were destroyed or damaged and grave stones were used to pave roads.

Israelis must stop Israel building and expanding settlements.

now, all we Israelis will have to get down on our knees and obey the KINGS word.

Funny how if someone else does it wrong and you don't do it right either, you find it OK. You say "pot calling kettle black" and don't see the irony in it. We haven't succeeded in setting an example and showing how it should be done. Yes, Muslims have a right to their places of prayer in Jerusalem, but only if they're over 45 or over 50 depending, they don't live in this or that part of the West Bank or, heaven forfend, anywhere in Gaza. As for foreign Muslims from countries with which we have peace treaties and/or business ties, we never hear about conditions obtaining for them. Unfortunately, the only way to ensure freedom of access for the three religions is to make it a joint effort.

Before preaching to us why don't you give the Palestinians back their country and slink back to Saudi Arabia where you came form?

King Abdullah, Israel has been covering your back. When your family controlled Jerusalem you forbad Jews from praying anywhere near the Temple Mount including the Western Wall. Freedom of religion there was not. Maybe you should keep quite regarding Jerusalem. You blew it last time around. As much as we admire a side of the Hashemites who photograph well in the palaces of Europe, there is something instinctively wrong in how a minority in Jordan maintains power, especially since the Hashemites moved to Jordan. In Israel at least, Jews are a majority and are native to this land. The only way to insure freedom of religion in Jerusalem, and you know it, is to keep the city united under Israeli control. If you are not concerned about freedom of religion, then maybe the Christian world needs to finally get fully behind Israel.

Short memories. Between 1948 and 1967, Jordan rid East Jerusalem of it's jewish inhabitants and tried to rid the area of it's Jewish past. Pot calling the kettle black

Today who can blame King Abdullah of Jordan for having sleepless nights regarding East Jerusalem if not East Jerusalem then the Fatah will declare Amman as their capital. King Abdullah is aware that Mahmoud Abbas can get all the support they require to declare a Palestinian State if they so wish from all their anti- Israel cronies and from their innocent friends and dictators who have no blood on their hands like Syria, Lybia , Sudan, at the "Good For Nothing Organisation called U.N. ". However independence alone will not satisfy Fatah's and Hamas's radical appitite to take over all of Israel and Jordan. They are likely with in a very short period of time while the coals are still hot if ever declaring independence to start their coup d'etat in Jordan with the help of their Palestinians supporters , who exceed at least 65% of Jordan's population. It will be their time for " The Pay Back" and once and for all to finish off what Arafat did not achieve in his life time and that is to overthrow the kingdom of Jordan . The Palestinians ultimate goal will be to aquire a modern Palestinian (Ex Jordanian) Air Force ,a well equiped army and an established international Palestinian (Ex Jordanian) Airways.We all know what happened and why the king of Jordan expeled the PLO in 1970. Arafat later lied to the world without battering an eye lid that the Jordanian army killed between 10,000 and 25,000 Palestinians, although a far,far more conservative estimates put the number nowhere any near those figuers , with the result that no one will ever know the true figure. It is a known fact that the PLO just love to exaggerate and lie through their teeth. One can now understand why inteligent people do not believe a word in the Goldstone report. .