Jewish groups demand Mel Gibson be ostracized for anti-Semitic rant
American movie star issues an apology for saying 'despicable' things during drunk-driving arrest.
By The Associated PressJewish groups have called for Oscar-winning American actor Mel Gibson to be ostracised from Hollywood and investigated for breach of race hate laws after his drunken anti-Semitic outburst to a Los Angeles police officer.
Gibson issued a lengthy statement Saturday apologizing for saying "despicable" things to sheriff's deputies when he was arrested for investigation of driving under the influence of alcohol.
The U.S. Anti-Defamation League said that the apology was not enough and that Gibson should be ostracised by his peers.
Abraham H. Foxman, the group's national director, said, "It appears that the combination of liquor and arrest has revealed his true character.
"We believe there should be consequences to bigots and bigotry. One way tocombat bigots is to put a price on bigotry.
"I would hope that if this is in fact true, that his colleagues condemn him and distance themselves from him."
"I acted like a person completely out of control when I was arrested and said things that I do not believe to be true and which are despicable," the actor-director said without elaborating.
The entertainment Web site TMZ posted what it said were four pages from the original arrest report, which quoted Gibson as launching an expletive-laden "barrage of anti-Semitic remarks" after he was stopped early Friday on Pacific Coast Highway in Malibu while allegedly driving at almost twice the speed limit.
According to the report, in addition to threatening the arresting deputy and trying to escape, Gibson said, "The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world," and asked the officer, James Mee, "Are you a Jew?"
Gibson publicist Alan Nierob would not comment on the incident beyond the written statement.
Los Angeles County Sheriff's spokesman Sgt. John Hocking said he could not confirm the TMZ report, adding that detectives would begin investigating today.
The Los Angeles Times reported on its Web site late Saturday that the sheriff's department's civilian oversight office will investigate whether authorities gave Gibson preferential treatment and tried to cover up his alleged behavior.
Sheriff Lee Baca defended his department's handling of the case. "There is no cover-up," Baca told the Times. "Our job is not to (focus) on what he said. It's to establish his blood-alcohol level when he was driving and proceed with the case. Trying someone on rumor and innuendo is no way to run an investigation, at least one with integrity."
In his statement, Gibson apologized for what he called "my belligerent behavior" when he was taken into custody.
"The arresting officer was just doing his job and I feel fortunate that I was apprehended before I caused injury to any other person," he said. "I disgraced myself and my family with my behavior and for that I am truly sorry. I have battled with the disease of alcoholism for all of my adult life and profoundly regret my horrific relapse."
He said he was taking "necessary steps to ensure my return to health."
Gibson, 50, was arrested after deputies stopped his 2006 Lexus LS 430 for speeding at 2:36 A.M. Friday. A breath test indicated Gibson's blood-alcohol level was 0.12 percent, Whitmore said. The legal limit in California is 0.08 percent. He was released after posting $5,000 bail.
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First of all, they can't confirm that he actually said these things. It's a rumor leak. Second of all, if he did SO WHAT? Lots of people say things about other cultures, so why should he be 'punished'? If he is actually anti-Semitic, then his narrow-mindedness is his own fault and he's not hurting anybody. But to want him to have no job, no friends, no career, and to be publicly shunned is not justice. It is revenge. And it makes you just as bad as any anti-Semite out there.
read about forgiveness!
amen
It's inexcusable that someone as Mel Gibson ever said those dreadful words. Jews were slaughtered in the WW2 and after those terror was established the state of Israel where Israelis wanted to live in peace. It wasn't Israel who started a fight. It was his neighbours who attacked him (Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Jordan and the Lebanon). Next year it will be 60 years of Israel being and all those 60 years Israel had to protect his inhabitants. From non-jewish side of view it's impossible to understand why they reacted so 'unduly', but from Jewish side of view it's easy to understand. Contemporary attack against Hizballah isn't just because 'only' 2 soldiers. It's a fight for survival. They (Hizballah) and Syria, Iran, Palestinians want to destroy Israel. Israelis comprehend - they want to kill us we must fight. In this time of fight for survival is inexcusable to say what Mel said. People should protect Israel and don't insult this people. God bless Israel!
Our world cannot afford conflict. I used to be annoyed by Jew fighting Arab and felt that it was a threat to my peace, but now I understand more. When investigating a murder it is customary to seek out those that have motive. Who has a motive for maintaining this conflict? Then they should be the first suspect. Alas humankind only learns by great pain and it's destiny is a forgone conclusion if it maintains the current status quo. Start today by showing your fellow man respect of his spirit and not treating him like an objec t or animal and you may yet avert your fate. If this disturbs you well good.
MEL SAYS SORRY TO THE JEWS Tue Aug 01 2006 11:10:45 ET August 2, 2006 -- There is no excuse, nor should there be any tolerance, for anyone who thinks or expresses any kind of Anti-Semitic remark. I want to apologize specifically to everyone in the Jewish community for the vitriolic and harmful words that I said to a law enforcement officer the night I was arrested on a DUI charge. I am a public person, and when I say something, either articulated and thought out, or blurted out in a moment of insanity, my words carry weight in the public arena. As a result, I must assume personal responsibility for my words and apologize directly to those who have been hurt and offended by those words. The tenets of what I profess to believe necessitate that I exercise charity and tolerance as a way of life. Every human being is God?s child, and if I wish to honor my God I have to honor his children. But please know from my heart that I am not an anti-Semite. I am not a bigot. Hatred of any kind goes against my faith. I?m not just asking for forgiveness. I would like to take it one step further, and meet with leaders in the Jewish community, with whom I can have a one on one discussion to discern the appropriate path for healing. I have begun an ongoing program of recovery and what I am now realizing is that I cannot do it alone. I am in the process of understanding where those vicious words came from during that drunken display, and I am asking the Jewish community, whom I have personally offended, to help me on my journey through recovery. Again, I am reaching out to the Jewish community for its help. I know there will be many in that community who will want nothing to do with me, and that would be understandable. But I pray that that door is not forever closed. This is not about a film. Nor is it about artistic license. This is about real life and recognizing the consequences hurtful words can have. It?s about existing in harmony in a world that seems to have gone mad
see my website at http://www.iamthewitness.com Mel Gibson is suicidal From an "intimate source". Nikki Finke also interviewed Rabbi Hier to explain Gibson. Are they setting Gibson up for a suicide? Or will they make Gibson appear crazy, as they did with Bobby Fischer? Will you let them get away with this? Look at how many news reports are attacking Gibson. Why didn't the media put this effort into exposing Building 7 or the missing 2.4 trillon dollars from the Pentagon? Can you figure out who controls the media? Will you help us stop this abuse? Jewish groups demand Mel Gibson be ostracized Pat Robertson and other people can suggest assassinations of foreign leaders, bombings of Iran, and killings of Arabs, but when Mel Gibson points out verifiable historical facts, the Jews want us to hate him. This is what they did to Bobby Fischer! The French Connection demands the Jewish and Christian Zionists be ostracized. We also want Zionists arrested for committing 9/11, the
That is absolutely crazy. Everyone is so deeply afraid of insulting Muslims! They go overboard trying not to, afraid to site Koranic surahs, for instance, afraid to say what Jihad really is. As for Mel Gibson, it's truly a shame that he is such a bigot. He seemed like such a nice guy!
next story please .we all make mistakes and say things that we usually wouldn't say so what . I'm pro Isreal and pro Mel Gibbson .This is another non story. You are correct in your annalogy Tony....
It really shouldn't matter what he did or did not say. Aren't we as Christians supposed to forgive him regardless, and let God decide what happens after that. Sure seems to be a lot of Christians judging here. I will pray for everyone here that the Lord will touch your hearts.
As a friend of Israel for many years and the husband of a Jewish wife, let me offer a suggestion. Do not buy into the leftist agenda of the atheist and "cultural jews" of the American ADL as they sit in offices protected from Muslim terrorists by guards and medal detectors while they theorise about the "threat" posed by and hidden agendas of philosemetic Christians. You have plenty of enemies, there is no need to make enemies out of friends. Gibson's full statement and appology can be read here: http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/07/29/gibson.statement/index.html I don't know if he was parroting what he heard when growing up or if he was venting frustration of the attacks and harrasment he has received at the hands of the Jewish left, but this was nothing more than a drunken ranting. Shalom.
Well spoken! Well said!
Hanoi, I fear it is you who is off the track. The UN, including the US, has annually reaffirmed that Israel's occupation of the territories it took in the 1967 war is contrary to international law, i.e., illegal. As for who started that war, the facts are equally beyond dispute. No country committed any act of war against Israel, as defined by the UN or any other rational person or entity. No country was even contemplating any such act. Israel seized upon the deployment of elements of the Egyptian army in the Sinai as a pretext for attacking its neighbors pursuant to a war plan it had drawn up years before. The goal was then, as it remains today, to expand Israel's borders to at least those of Mandate Palestine. To make or defend the statement that "Jews are responsible for all wars" is indeed pathological. "Jews" are not responsible for any wars that I'm aware of. Israel, on the other hand, is responsible for quite a few, and to say otherwise is to ignore simple facts.
Let he who is without sin cast the firt stone.
Ah, the sins of Adam. Did you learn nothing from Joshua Ben Joseph? Hate us of the tree of Good and Evil, it is death. The tree of life says we should love our enemies. Your hate will bring about the confligration. Only if you battle your enemies with love for them in your heart will you win. If we do not do this brother, we are not god's people at all. If brother in a drunken stupor accuses his brother of causing all the world's ills, is he an anti semite, or just an Alcholoic in need of help. If you say he is Christian and does not believe in The one Almighty creator of heaven and earth, hence not one of the chosen beacuse of his beliefs, and that only the Jews as represented by 2/12's of the tribes of Isreal are somehow better beacause of heritage ( your inability to forgive and love any but those close to you shows that your are failing the law as well as the spirit ) then you are a racist of the First order, and part of the reason why God has tested his people. LOVE THY NEIGHBOR.
It's OK to curse and vilify Muslims but to say annthing about Jews is economic death. BS
....and so it must be done! Give me a break. I demand that Jewish leaders et al cease with your old worn-out rhetoric.
Unfortunately, Jews have been wallowed in self-pity for generations. Please get over it. The whole world is not against you. You are the most pathetic self-serving people in the world. I am fed up with the daily claims of persecution, abuse, pain - whether it's Mel Gibson, Muslims etc. Everyday there is a complaint about the treatment of Jews. It is a terribly old song that has worn out.
if his rant was against christianity, it would be called free speech.......
Arresting officer said on John and Ken radio show today he was a jew. That would account for Mel bringing up the subject. What is with the jews anyway? Whine, whine, whine! Mel is an entertaining and gifted artist! He has my applause for his work. Who cares what he says when he is arrested for drunk driving?!!
Who cares what he says. Remember the phrase sticks and stones... There are thousands upon thousands that hate jewish people, and thousands more that hate muslims, and thousands more that hate christians and thousands more that hate /insert any religion/race/nationality here/. Live your life the way you want to, and stop worrying about if everyone likes you or hates you. Im sure everyone of you has hated someone in thier life.. So get over it!
To me, asking that everyone love a group, either religious, racial, or otherwise ethnic is preposterous. There is something that lies beneath that demand that should be questioned just as diligently as Gibson's remarks. Unles someone is hurt in some concrete way, mere remarks and/or opinions about groups of people are just that- remarks and opinions. His remarks will carry whatever effect they will carry. Like one person posted before, all you can do is boycott his work. But to DEMAND expulsion and exclusion because of personal opinions is an indication why so many, in greater numbers, are hating about these special interest groups. I've known many Jewish, and some have been close friends, and some have been some of the most bigoted, obnoxious, and impossible people to get along with of ANY group I've ever encountered. So I don't think Mel Gibson has the monopoly on bigotry, by ANY stretch of the imagination.
Let me get this straight. Abraham H. Foxman was content when Gibson was pretending to be somebody else, but is outraged when he acts like himself? Is Abraham H. Foxman equally upset that many actors are liberals and espouse hate speech towards traditional American values, our prominence in the world, and the rest of us every day?
The man had a few drinks, drove too fast, got spprehended, and said some 'stuff'! SO WHAT??? STOP this insane caterwaling about it!
To: Anti-Defamation League Dear Mr. Foxman Mr.Gibson offended His people Israel in a drunken rage. He has since given a sincere apology and has asked forgivness towards the Jews and anyone else that was hurt by his actions. So send this world a message that shows the heart of the Jews and of Israel. Don't ostrasize him.... forgive him ! Ask for his fellowship, speaking openly about the destruction caused by hatein men's hearts. The world would stand back both perplexed and amazed to witness G-D's reconciliation and healing. Bless Israel and its people! Shalom
I'm a Christian, but as someone who is very familiar with the Jewish religion, I believe both Christianity and Judiasm follow the timeless principle that only God can judge others. I don't think any of us has the right to judge the actions of Mel Gibson, except for God Himself. So why are all you people even discussing this? I understand that your feelings are hurt...mine would be too, but that is just how God makes you stronger through faith in Him. God Bless, ~ maren ~
Mel Gibson jews need too stopping renting his movies,seeing his movies, and we have too pressure ABC TV Station from airing his holocaust 4 hour miniseries and if that doesnt work protest them and anyone who agrees with Mel Gibson and his dumbass hollywood types. IF jews dont come out and stand up this stuff will keep happening.
Religion is the root of all evil. Abraham gave the world the concept of one God [vs. worshiping idols or mythological gods] and is considered the very first ?Jew?. Abraham?s belief in an omnipotent, invisible force (God) is also at the core of Christianity and Islam. Although Abraham (the Jew) is a central figure to Christians and Moslems, these two offspring religions have been dedicated at various times in history to trying to eliminate their parent religion of Judaism. Why? Where do Christians and Muslims get the notion their faith and their God (Jesus or Allah) are superior to what Abraham initially founded? Why have Christians and Muslims believed EVERYONE else in the world must worship EXACTLY as they do in order to be saved? There is very little scientific proof that God even exists. Religions are based primarily on faith, upbringing, and desires. Then why all the death and destruction in the name of this so called God --- the same God that supposedly tells us to ?Love Thy Neighbor???? The Jewish people have always tolerated others beliefs. The future, if there is to be one, must eliminate religion intolerance.
Just wondering or do we have to be perfect.
American Jews need to get over it! Historically, they have been "involved" in many wars. Get off Mel's back - his only problem is too much success & too much money. Get out of Hollywood Mel.
He was blind, stinking, puking drunk. You cannot take what the guy said seriously.
.... that when someone goes off on Jews or Muslims, they are termed "bigots" and it makes front page news, but when anyone in the hate America/ death to America crowd spouts inflammatory anti-American rhetoric, it's considered free speech and therefore not newsworthy?
Dennis, Well said.
I don't care what Mel Gibson said, I believe it was wrong. But to the people arguing that Muslims started the conflict in the area, it is simple history. The Israeli Jews got their nation through terrorism and breaking international laws, it is stupid to blame the defensless and poor Palestinians for assuming they should be able to do the same thing: 1. King David Hotel 2. Plan D 3. Killing of British soldiers 4. Illegal smuggling of Jewish immigrants and arms into Palestine 4. Massive support from the people for Irgun (Jewish Terrorish Organization)/ Menachem Begin (their leader) even went on to become prime minister of Israel There are many other instances. There was no Hizbullah in 1946 or 1948 when 750,000 Palestinians were driven from their homes for Israel. Hizbullah only came in 1982 after the Isaeli invasions and massacres at Sabra and Shatilla. Israel is it's own worst enemy, for every one of its ruthless actions there is a reaction.
What does Abe Foxman say about non-Jews when he thinks none are around? I can see the day coming soon where we can be thrown in jail for disliking someone or hurting their feelings. Robespierre anyone?
I'm pro-Israeli, and not a bigot. blanket remarks made by a drunk, aren't hate speech. When he said Jews are repsonsible for all the wars, well U.S. alliance with Israel is THE PRIMARY REASON terrorists love to hate us. I've seen more pictures of Lebanese burning American flags than I have Israeli flags. things like 9/11 occur because of our stance with Israel, which I support... I just want all of you who are mad at Mel for his indiscretion to consider what you say, or think, of Palestinians, and while you may not hate Palestinians in general, I'm sure there are those days when you've cursed them. All I'm really trying to say is get over it. Anyone angry at Mel for more than a minute has problems, along the lines of a lack of confidence and righteousness. Its over-reacting, kind of like what the world has said Israel is doing in Lebanon, that is except for the US... everybody go worry about something important, and get over yourselves
George on post #102 nailed it. Just because Mel Gibson is a public figure doesn't mean he can't speak his mind, especially when he's drunk and ranting to a cop. Whether he was right or wrong with his remarks isn't the issue. If we start telling people what they can say and think, then you can kiss the freedoms we currently enjoy in America good bye. The Jewish groups demanding that Mel Gibson be ostracized for his anti-Semitic rant need to realize this before they go around telling people what they can say.
Just to put things into perspective: 1. Treating something what a drunk person says, as it represents what he stands for is ... stupid or political (in this case both). You cannot treat speach of a drunk to be free, since buy definition it does not meet the criterium of such a speach (influence by altering drugs, torture would fall intot the same category). 2. Mel Gibson already recognized his mistake and apologized. I understand, that for SOME people it will never be enought, because ... they hated this man before, and this is just yet another excuse. 3. For Jews, who are quick to condem Mel... You may want to think twice, before you jump on the liberal wagon of Mel bashing. Christians (Catholics included) are BIG supporters of Israel. Without them, Israel would not service the constant attack on the Jewish state. 4. As far as Mel Gibson being Anti-Semi.... Well, reading some of the posts attacking him make it it harder not to be, but... We fight these and other sinfull thoughts
He was driving under the influence.....has apologized for a regrettable incident.... Apology accepted....
Lew Wasserman made "The last temptation of Christ", a very blasphemous and offensive tale as far as Christians are concerned. His fig leaf was Scorcese being the director. Should that movie be viewed as the defining Jewish view of Christianity? Present reality is that millions of Christians by virtue of a dispensationalist view of eschatology support Israel to the hilt - worry about that viewpoint and forget about what drunks say, actors or otherwise.
I bristle everytime I hear any minority invoking "race hate laws" or any "hate laws" in general. This is one of the major setbacks of modern civilization, this set of laws designed to intimidate the majority by punishing our very thoughts. If I murder somebody in cold blood, or if I kill a hundred people in cold blood, who gives a damn what was going through my mind at the time? I could be insane, or on drugs, or doing it in the name of God and country. But if I HATE my victims --- and especially if I hate them for some meaningless racial or religious distinction --- then I am TRIPLE convicted and TRIPLE sentenced. What the hell does THAT mean? In Mel's case, he got drunk and shot off his mouth to a cop. Big deal. The Jewish community has just been WAITING for Mel to make one wrong move, ever since "Passion"...
real ignorant.And really embarased about you using the phrase "real american".
For all you Israeli's, I would like to inform you that Iran is not an anti-Semitic place. Our president only speaks for himself and not for any other Iranian. Iran was and will always be the first melting pot. All are always welcome.
Gibson should become an Orthodox Jew & watch his freaking anti-Semitic Holocaust-denying screwball father finally keel over--the rotten bastard?! He messed his son up good!
I look forward to all of America realising what Mel knows, free the world kill a jew.
He has a right to free speech. What if he was Jewish and said the same thing about Catholics? Anyone branding him as a racisit really needs to take a good look at themselves
Ok, Mel said some rude things when he was drunk. Who cares. We live in a country that protects free speech. He apologized, therefore we should accept his apology. To do less reflects badly on us and shows our own sober hatred. Drop it.
It's a shame he didn't just call our soldiers terrorists, killers, etc, then the media would leave him alone!
your ennemy because I told you the truth? Mel told the truth.I'm now a new fan of Gibson :)
To: "No BS Jew", I find it very ironic that you are outraged by some stupid drunk's comments, Yet you feel justified in attacking the Christian Faith. I have to stop and wonder which of the two of you (Mel or "No BS")is more vile. It is deplorable that you would say such blasphemous things against the Christian Religion. I have worked with and known many Jewish people and I hope that they do not think the same thing as you.
Simply pathetic behavior. Apologies can't help Mel this time.
All he said is that Isreal is repsonsible for all the wars in the world...which technically is true.
I've noticed over the years that when someone's response to a slight or insult is WAY out of proportion,i.e Foxman, often it's a indication of a hidden hatred or bigotry on their part. For instance some little sarcastic comment by a friend you may just dismiss with a smirk...yet that same insult by an enemy may send you into a rage. This is the situation here. The ADL's Abe Foxman detest Mel Gibson because Mel had the gaul to make "The Passions of Christ". If you'll remember, Abe Foxman tried to censor this movie. Mel Gibson had to personally finance that movie because Foxman intimidated other investors to pull out. Foxman is a bitter hate monger. I do believe him mentally ill from hate. The ADL should be ostracized...not Mel. Why does anyone listen to Foxman anyhow ? He's just some self appointed judge of public speech. Who voted for him ?
Mel is being publicly tried in the press. I do not agree that a drunken mans words are a sober mans thoughts. I believe that he made a mistake and has apologized for his loose tongue. I have heard a lot of people say things they didn't mean, drunk and sober. He has apologized and our only duty is to forgive.
"Jewish groups" demand Mel Gibson be ostracized for anti-Semitic rant "The U.S. Anti-Defamation League" said that the apology was not enough and that Gibson should be ostracised by his peers. The headline states plural, and the body of the story only gives one example.
Whether or not Mr. G is a great actor, a good actor or a poor actor is totally irrelavent. What is of paramount importance is that Mr. G while under the influence of too much 'drink' turned a traffic stop (whereby the officer might be responsible for saving many lives) into a soap box for spewing hate. I do not care if it were against Muslims, Jews, Hindus etc etc , there is no room for this dispical hate filled rant..He should be ashamed and anybody who agrees with him ( Christian or not) should be ashamed...
who would not care who s/he is? but saying that _you_ don't care if Americans are your friends is ignoring the fact that if America were not "your" friend, Israel would not be what it is - and not for the best.
If you really study history, one will find that the jews are not semtic people the real semtic people are the Arabs. This illusion was created by the jews as were many of the other illusions they have created to control the masses. Do your research and you'll find the truth.
Before Hollywood ostracizes Mell Gibson for anything, it needs to stop demeaning and insulting Chrisianity in the rediculous movies it makes. If Jews want to have any credibility, they have to practice what they preach. I know however, that that is asking too much of the elitist hollywood snobs.
You say [including your internal quotation marks]: "Imagine if Mel had instead said:"The Fxxxxxg Muslims" "Muslims start all the wars in the world" "Are you a Muslim" How many people would have given a flip about it? How many people wouldn`t have taken his "drunkenness" as a valid excuse?" I don't recall anyone trying to eradicate all Moslems just because they were Moslems. Being on the receiving end of that kind of treatment can make you a little jumpy, don't you think?
I like Mel. I am sorry he behaved so poorly and is so weak. I don't blame Jews for wanting this kind of punishment. Never have I seen a race so dispised by so many. Israel deserves to exist. God bless Israel.
Sal - not that this is connected to Mel Gibson directly, but would you please tell me: where are the Moslem [of the radical variety] musicians/ artists/thinkers/creators/inspirers? Where are the Arab world's great universities, schools, public institutions? Where is the infrastucture, the freedom, the flowering of curiosity and growth that has taken place in much of the rest of the world? Where is the freedom for women and minorities? What? No answer? Oh, I see. It's all the Jews' fault.
Listen Dan, do you think the Muslims hate just the jews? WAKE UP YOU FOOL. They HATE EVERYONE WHO IS NOT LIKE THEM. THEY HATE YOU! IMAGINE IF ISRAEL DIDN'T EXIST? WHAT WOULD BE GOING ON OVER IN THE MIDDLE EAST? YOU SOON WOULD BE SPEAKING ARABIC, YOU MORON. JUST WAKE UP ALREADY.
It's a serious question not a comment. Is forgiveness a tenet of Judaism as it is in Christianity? The calls for him to be ostracized by his peers seem McCarthyish to me. He gave a rather heart felt apology. Let him serve his sentence for the arrest and then forgive him. As a Christian I believe Jesus was set to his death by men who were Jews. Those men lived a long time ago. There is no Jew alive today that bares any guilt or shame for that act. Since I don't drink I can't say from experience whether inebriation release your true thoughts or a more random process like dreaming. I expect Gibson harbors anti Semitic feeling deep down but he claims he eschews them in his conscious life. I think we all have sides to ourselves that we regret and have to work at.
I too am sick of a country crying freedom while spying on it's best friends and teaching it's children to hate and kill. Every criticism of Israel isn't antisemitic: Often it's an accurate description of a state that justifies terrorism.
Alcohol can sometimes be responsible for revealing a person's true feelings as alleged in Gibson's case. But to brutally attack him on a personal and professional level is uncalled for. It appears to be a case of "skillet calling pot black". The entities and people opposing Gibson have made similar statements no one calls them on, nor are they accused of the very same sentiments that they accused Gibson of. Of course I am unable to mention names here. I suggest anyone with an opposing opinion regarding Gibson investigate his allegations, if in fact, he actually made the comments. On the surfact it appears to be an elaborate setup to destroy his reputation and credibility.
Palestinian Refugee... Where do you live? If it's in the US, then perhaps you should respect the notions of democracy and freedom which we espouse in this country and afford to you. You should also respect that a majority of this country respects and supports the US alliance with Israel; if you have a problem with that, thanks to the hard work of Jews and Gentiles alike in this country, you have the right to participate in the democratic process to effect change if you disagree with this policy through the electoral process and through your right of free speech. This right, of course, is one you seem to appreciate, given your use of it in this forum. Keep in mind that Palestinians who decry the policies of the PLO or Hamas face torture or even death by mobs for their dissent, a fact not so openly advertised by the Palestinians more than happy to stage and broadcast faux attacks by Israelis.
Mel Gibson for president
Mel Gibbson is a bigot. Having money is not an excuse to be antisemitic.
I wonder why the muslims don't have a problem with muslims killing other muslims. WHY IS THAT OK? It's happened all over the world. Happening as we speak. They hate EVERYONE, EVEN OTHER MUSLIMS. BRAINWASHED from the second their born. You almost want to feel sorry for them, but that's become impossible.
Talk about overreaction! A drunk spouts off about a group of people and the "politically correct" crowd goes nuts. The Islamics on this site try and tie everything that goes wrong on the Jews. Wow! Here is the real story: 1.) Drunks can and do say almost anything and very little of it is positive. Mel Gibson is human and no amount of celebrity will change that. 2.) Middle and most of America does not hate the Jews and most conservative Christians, like me, are behind them 100%. 3.) Most importantly, Israel and the Jews have much bigger fish to fry than trying to ostracize Mel Gibson. There is a wolf at your door (Islam)! You need to gather and pull together throughout the world and protect yourselves. The State of Israel needs to survive and you need to be in survival mode. Bashing Mel Gibson for acting like a drunk when he was inebriated is a very small drop in the ocean. Nobody is perfect folks. Calm down and take care of the wolf.
Sal Azam said it right on. It's too bad that there is no longer free speech in this country when it comes to anything at all to do with Israel
Looks like war has been declared on Mel Gibson.
What computer are you using? A Mac? I hope so, because if it's a PC made in the last two years, it probably contains a Centrino processor whose architecture was designed primarily in Israel. Use IM or text messaging? Yep, that technology was pioneered in Israel as well. Buy something online? There's a good chance the encryption software you used was a product of Israel, and it's a certainty the technology behind your purchase was desgined by Israelis and Americans. Does Israel design weapons? Yep. That's sort of a consequence of being surrounded by a billion neighbors who vocally declare their intentions to throw you in the ocean and who would like to do to your holy sites what they did to those of the Buddists in Afghanistan. They also design technologies you use every day, something of which you should be mindful every time you sit down at your desk. And speaking of cancer, Israel is one of the world's leaders in cancer research. Is Iran? Iraq? Saudi Arabia? Anyone???
This is ridiculous. If this had been a Jewish actor who made anti-hispanic remarks while drunk and being taken into custody no one would blink an eye. Certain Jewish factions have been out to nail Mel since "Passion". This is just the tawdry crumb that they have been looking to pounce on. Any unflattering remark about jews, judaism, Israel or any related matter is immediate grounds for fanatical cries of "antisemitism". Its just ridiculous. My office is full of jewish colleagues; no one calls them racist or says they should be ostracized when they make remarks about Christians, Muslims, etc.....and believe me they do it all the time.
I heard the Knesset just moved to enact emergency legislation allowing Mr. Gibson (and his father if he's interested) safe passage into Southern Lebanon just in case that suggestion of ostracization doesn't work or is re-thought due to concerns over it sounding a bit weak for a response.
Sad but true. These incicdents remind us that, lurking beneath the surface of most of us, if not all of us, is hatred of others because of their otherness. Will you people stop pretending that when white Christians get together among themselves, many, if not most of them, say things that would call for them to be ostrasized if Abe Foxman heard them? To say nothing of what they say about blacks. And, white guys like me will never get to hear what Jews say about about us goyim at Bar Mitzvahs, or how most blacks realy feel about the decendants of their white enslavers. How many white Protestants think that the Sopranos are a fairly typical Catholic Amercian family? If you invented an effective truth syrum and gave it to Abe Foxman (a man with a fascinating biography, by the way) would he express views about Catholics that some might find offensive? Who knows. All I know is, Gibson has not proven hinself to be unusual, but all too typical.
Hi, how are all you antipeace/proviolence people doing? I hope you all take as much pleasure in killing muslims as you do in how you sterotype them, all 2 Billion Muslims... that's right I said it 2 billion muslims how dare all of you condemn Islam and all the muslims for all your troubles and the world problems that type of attitude is what driving the Arabs who live around your country to go against you guys. You figure nothing you do is at fault and nothing you guys do will have consequences i do not approve of the violence by the lebanese upon the isreali citizens, but the majority they killed were infact ISRAELI MILITARY! can the Israeli military say that they killed mostly lebanese military simililarly? of course not! photographs of what happened at the Iraqi prison rapes and with grown men walking around naked will forever stereotype any western country holding arab prisoners the root of the problem are these non stop sterotypes adopted by both Israelis and Arabs
Mel Gibson does not need to apologize for anything and should not. He should apologize to the officer, but not for his allegedly 'anti-semitic' remarks. Why? 1) What he said was factual. The Jews were surreptitiously behind both WWI and WWII, and in fact when it should have been over (the Germans made peaceful overtures to Britain after they had already easily conquered them), the Zionists made a deal with Britain that they would agree to bring the United States into the war in exchange for Palestine (although Britian had no clain to Palestine themselves). In WWII the Jewish bankers financed Hitlers rise to power, and financed his war machine. Make no mistake about it. What Mel Gibson said was true. Study your history people! 2) 'anti-semitic' is purely a slur, and has no basis in fact. The citizens of the State of Israel are by-and-large not Semitic in origin. They are Khazars, from Eastern Europe who 'converted' to Judaism in the 1200's. So the slur 'anti-semitic' is a misnomer.
none of you are seeing the big picture here. it is not about jews or christians or muslims or and one particular religion, but religion in general. since time began man has been a slave to religious beliefs and fanaticism that have been the cause of more atrocities than can be counted. genocide in the name of a god. one people dont believe as another so a god tells them to destroy the non-believers. wake up people. the problem is religion itself. begin thinking for yourself. dont let the ranting and raving of some lunatic tell you how to live or die. how to have sex. whether you can speak in the presence of men. what clothes to wear. how to raise your children. cut yourselves free from the madness that is religion. what has it ever really done for you. how many of your prayers have ever really been answered. how many times has a god really done anything for you. just try thinking for yourself next time. its a wonderful feeling being free.
Yeah, his true colors came out that night. He doesn't really own Malibu though. There are all kinds of people that tickled him when he was younger maybe that was a mistake. Who's the guy that played Jesus in Mel's movie about beards?
So he should be punished for exercising his freedom of speech ? How scary is that ?
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14055.htm I remember a few years ago when Mel Carnahan died in a plane crash, and the Democrats put out bumper stickers that said "Still for Mel" I wonder if they have any of those left. They would sure come in handy now. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14055.htm
and how the priest took part in his death and that isn't going to be forgiven. We love Mel though he's cute.
It's interesting that all the Muslims are siding with Mel, for their shared hatred of the Jewish people. Had Mel said he hated the warmongering Muslims, I'm sure it would be a different story. Islam is a religion of hatred and violence and this entire episode sheds much light on that.
Ben, what you wrote is so true: "The Jewish groups` demands are disproportionate to Mel speaking his mind. Isn`t America a free country? The Jewish groups should urge sympathy for Mel`s battle with demon rum and urge recovery through rehabilitation." That would mean Jewish groups would have to show "tolerance of differing viewpoints" and "comPassion." These seem to be in short supply from most everyone in this day and age!
I've alwys love this guy, but now I,m getting t-shirt,,I SUPORT MEL'' from cafepress.com He said what most of us feel watching independent news from Palestine and Libanon...
Puppy is that you?
Mel Gibson made a mistake, and spouted off. In America, he's allowed to do that (but not drive drunk.) Jews, stop tearing your clothing, and whining about persecution. Christians have suffered much persecution, too. Why do you expect people to come to your defense when you fail to defend Christiandom? Muslims, stop killing people around the world. The fanatical elements of your religion have killed more of your own people than anyone else! Why don't you (true Muslims) get up the nerve to stand up against the whack-jobs in your midst? Trace everything back to Ishmael and Isaac. If Jews and Muslims fail to "get along," the butchery between the ZOG and Islamic thugs will continue. Don't come sniveling to America. You people need to solve your own problems. Oh, yes, if Muslims want American military action to stop, keep your "terrorists" on your own soil. Also, American Jews need to start supporting America instead of criticizing and liberalizing our way of life. Both groups are wrong.
I sincerely hope that all those that are ready to see Gibson hanged are sure that they have never said or done anything they regret. I am not defending what he said, it was grossly out of line. I think he has some serious problems with alcohol and not necessarily problems with Jews. I haven't seen a whole lot of proof that he regularly slams Jews. He is not his father, so stop trying to pin that on him. I hope he find the help and treatment he needs and since none of us can look into his soul and see what is there I just have to hope that those are not his true feelings. I could be wrong, but then so could those who are condemning him.
who cares... seriously... i've gotten drunk and said things that i later regretted! i'm sure 99% of the people complaining about this have too.
yo mel! i got drunk last weekend and proposed marriage to my girlfriend! trust me! i didn't mean a word of it. after i proposed i took of my clothes and jumped into the pool. but hey! at least you didn't accidently draw a picture of muhammed with a bomb in his turbin. if you had 50 people would be dead from rioting in the middle east right now and 20 countries would be calling for your execution. sometimes getting drunk just isn't pretty! but you gotta love the attention you get!!!!!
This doesnt mean what you say. If an ignorant says that number pi=1, the statement doesn?t become true even if he is drunk. What the saying means is that when one is drunk he says what he?s truly thinking. So, even if Gibson was thinking of this war, what he said isn?t true, even if he was drunk, because the war was started by Hizbollah.
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So what if he doesn't like jews. So what if he hates jews. It's not like the jews haven't given the world plenty to hate them for anyway. Who are these people who think that american white christians aren't allowed to speak their feelings about other races, religions, etc..... So, he's anti-semetic, so what. Jesus was a jew. The jews killed him. Actually read the bible and you will find that the jews are not good people in the bible. Outside the bible. You have to judge for yourself.
MEL GIBSON HAS SHOWN HIS REAL HERITAGE. LIKE FATHER LIKE SON. ALL CHRISTIANS ARE EMBARASSED BY HIS COMMENTS. HE IS KILLING THE BASIC VALUES OF CHRISTIANITY. I WLII NOT WATCH HIS MOVIES AGAIN. LETS ALL BOYCOT HIM.
Mel Gibson is an anti-semitic jerk, as well as all those that defend this type of hatred. And to those other idiots who think that these comments are okay, because, hell, if he'd had said that about Muslims, no one would care. Jews are too sensitive, right? Remember that little comicstrip incident that set the Islamic world ablaze? I could only imagine their reaction if this had been said about Muslims. Unbelievable.
We all make mistakes, it's just that those of us who AREN'T celebrities don't have to suffer the humiliation of having our mistakes printed on National Newspaper covers.
Roman Polanski gets popped for child rape and Hollywood still loves him. Hollywood liberals spew hate speech all over the internet and chat shows and they're still working. Gibson, wrongly, let's loose with what is arguably anti-semitic and probably an "in vino veritas" moment, but he's to be banned from Hollywood and denied a living (as if he needs more money, but.......). What's wrong with this picture?
The Jewish groups' demands are disproportionate to Mel speaking his mind. Isn't America a free country? The Jewish groups should urge sympathy for Mel's battle with demon rum and urge recovery through rehabilitation.
What he said was the truth but also out of line. I am not going to condemn someone for what he says or feels. I will continue to see his films despite what a jewish group wants. Actions (such as the one israel has done) I do condemn. The U.S. Gov pays Israel more money then all other countries combined. (check the finance websight) My question would be WHY? I have nothing against Jewish people but the jew corporations and groups that have such a hold on the gov i do have a problem with. Most of the middle east problems are because of israel. Its now ok for them to commit genocide but they blame everyone when it was done to them and now we have to pay for it. I SAY CUT ALL TIES WITH ISRAEL AND PUT THE PRESSURE BACK ON THEM AND START HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE. REMEMBER THE USS LIBERTY.
How do you know what he meant to say? He said the Jews have caused all the wars, which is a plain lie. You say he meant to say Israel. But it is not true, either. Israel has never started any war. Judea and Samaria was in possession of Jordan, which didn?t want it back. East Jerusalem is Israel. The only thing is that it had been occupied for the Arabs in 1948 and Israel liberated it in 1967. When you say Israel is occupying southern Lebanon, you mean Israel proper, don?t you? I have read Hamas charter and it is said it is Waqf, so, as far as any non-jihadist is concerned, Hamas itself admits Israel is of the Jews. Who?s leading the world to war? It is not who you say. Havent you heard of the jihad Muslims are making all around the world? Who?s killing people in Israel, Indonesia, Algeria, Philipines, Europe, Darfur, etc.?
A bit over the top but he was saying what a lot of folks are thinking watching Lebanon.
Mel Gibson is human. Mel was caught being human. (Not always a pretty sight.) He made some statements that were unchristian but... Do you remember all the hate he experienced when he was trying to find support for his movie The Passion of the Christ? Even after in was in theaters... Maybe he has some pent up anger regarding his mistreatment and rejection. Should one mistake define someone?s whole life? Get of his back. Who of us can cast the first stone? Not me!
It is sad that we have these "committees" of people that feel they can request someone to be ostracized from any community because of statements made while intoxicated. The man acted in an incorrect manner and said some wrong things about a particular race. It was wrong, he recognized it as being wrong, and even apologized. I think that they should follow what Yahwah says about forgiveness. Besides, it isn't like he sent his nation to wars in a neighboring country to kill innocent women and children. That would have been more than enough reason to be ostracized!
Mel Gibson is clearly an idiot. But I'm more disturbed with his driving drunk, recklessly endangering lives than his rant blaming Jewish people for war. In my opinion it will be more constructive to open dialogue about the actual charges dumbwild donkey leveled than discuss his Anti-Semitism. Are Jews responsible for all the war in the world? In Angola? In somalia? In Shia held Iraq? In Israel for that matter? So many people get up in arms about anti-Semitism that they miss the opportunity to set the record straight or at least open dialogue about disinformation.
From people I know that have met him, it would be hard for me to believe that MG is anti-semitic. At the same time---even in a drunken rant---I don't think someone would come up with that kind of stuff if they didn't think that way to some degree even in soner moments. My conclusion though is that he very publicly repented. There may be no way to know what's in his head and heart, but I think we ought give him the benefit of the doubt. If someone thinks he ought pay somehow for his words, I think they should first suggest to him what a reasonable means of compensating for this. I bet he would do anything.
What history book did you read about "poisoned wells, blood libels, murderers of Jesus, controllers of the media, starter of world wars...."? Was it the fictional one about a World where uninformed and ignorant people spout hateful(and ancient) lies about a religion they know nothing about. I don't care why you hate jews or where you adopted your false rhetorhic, but at least be aware that what you say is the same drivel medieval oafs used to turn Jews into scapegoats. Of course Jews poisoned wells to spread the bubonic plague , its so logical. In addition, Mel Gibson made antisemitic statements by his own admission, and therefore I do not see how "rumors" or "gossip" are being used to "convict" him. If he is convicted, it will be for the crime he committed- driving drunk. Patricia, go get an education based in reality.
You have a point, but you see there’s no enforcement mechanism. There has to be a taboo that’s been violated. Anti-Semitism has been made a great big huge taboo. I have no quarrel with that when one is talking about clear deep bigotry, but in practice it’s a charge that’s VERY easily throw around and used to police all criticism of Israel and Jews. As you point out similar criticism of other economically and socially successful groups (and some that aren’t) is full ok. No taboo there. In particular almost any amount of lampooning of successful WASPs in e.g. movies or TV entertainment is fine. A gentile sort of lampooning of Jews is OK but it can’t push very hard on a number of sensitive areas. Whereas there aren’t any sensitive areas where WASPs are concerned, according to the Political Correct taboo enforcement mentality. See my posts 122, and 113 as well for how this works among journalists.
If we are to boot Mel out of hollywood, then we must also boot the masques that preach hate to Jews out of Hollywood. Let's be fair.
With all this brutal occupations and killing of kids on a daily basis, many Americans and people around the world is changing their opinion about Israel. May be it is time for Israel to cease its barbaric behavior and join the other decent nations. There is no use chastising Mel. Chastise your leaders who only care about continuing the cycle of violence. Regarding UN resolutions, its obvious Israel only care about other countries to follow the resolutions and ignore its own obligations. If any one complains, they have big daddy Bush to support with vetos.
The ADL would be much better off by simply characterizing Gibson's remarks as "unfortunate," accepting his apology and wishing him the best in his recovery from his apparent problem with alcohol. Under Abraham Foxman, the ADL has become one of the most wretched bastions of whiny, degenerate liberalism in the United States. And that is saying a lot.
most people on here want to criticize mel gibson for being full of hate, but you all sound pretty much the same way to me. I don't condone any hate in any form. God is love, not murder or hate, which most people in this world seem to think He is. I dont know what Mel is going through in his life right now, and I have never walked in his shoes, but I am a Christian and I know that all I have to do is tell God I am sorry and mean it and I am forgiven. Are you all so much better than God that that isn't enough for you? God knows the man's heart. None of us do. Leave the judging to God. Be compassionate and pray for the man, not like Barbarians and rip him apart. He publicly took responsibility, that is one step in the right direction. He is human. He has human problems and hurts, and makes human mistakes.
As a current actor and a former NYC police officer I have been on both sides of this fence. The police have no reason to make an issue of his rants. It has nothing to do with his arrest. Secondly he has a drinking problem. You do not always mean what you say when you are drunk. Period. End of story.
So he uttered some free speech, If you cannot allow those that disgust you to say what is on their minds, then you cannot stand for free spech for anyone. The very fact that there is such an uproar over this just proves the influence that the "Jews who are not Jews(REV 3:9)" have. They have become the synagogue of Satan. I am not talking about the jewish people, I am talking about their leaders, The Rockefeller European Jews. The same New World Order Clan that is running Amerika.
so what u doing in our christian country? israel is THE jewish state
Who do we see about Hollywood's anti-Christian propaganda? How about John Stewart on the Daily Show and his constant anti-Catholic remarks? By the way he is Jewish isn't he? Bigotry runs both ways so let's be consistent. Let me be the first to call for John Stewart's firing!
Here in America we have something called freedom of speech. If you don't like it, then too bad.
This hurts my heart for several reasons. One is that it pains me when anyone says or does something hurtful to ANYONE, whether they are of the same religion or not. Hate and lack of tolerance is what we should be reprimanding here, not each other for believing in Islam, or Judaism or whatever else. Our religions, all of them, are in their true nature peaceful. It is the corupt leaders and media that lead us to pose Muslims against Jews. In reality their are bad people who happen to identify themselves with Islam, with Judaism, with Christianity... BUT we mustn't be just as bad as any other bigots and generalize people and countries of ANY religion. This is about different individuals, not religions. People who really care about others need to recognize this.
Being called a bigot by the odious Abe Foxman, is like being called stupid by a rock. The guy leaves a slime trail.
Why is it when a promiscuous college girl gets drunk and "takes on" 10 or 12 guys, people come out of the woodwork to blame the alcohol and the guys - but where Mel's incident is concerned it's suddenly "his true character revealed"?
As I have taught my children the importance of our freedoms, the freedom to speak what you will was of particular interest. I explained to them though we have the right to say anything, should we? Responsible behavior is what is lacking here. When it doesn't further or help settle a situation or is going to make things worse, perhaps waiting until you can produce the proper words or solution is best. I do believe alcohol loosens a tongue that might believe better than to say something ugly when not under the influence, but here in America it is not against the law to state an opinion even if it is "despicable". Words do hurt but not like the hate crimes that kill or hurt someone physically (those are crimes!). We must take our freedom of speech and teach responsibility and civility to our children and model it to our neighbors...that is how it will work.
If there still are any positive aspects of living in Israel, I would point the fact that here you at least can forget that you are jewish and as a result don't really care of anti-Semitism. So I can't care less what Mel Gibson says about the Jews. My personal account to Gibson is purelly artistic. IMHO, he is mediocrity incarnate, a symbol of mass culture. So ousting him from Holywood (which would never happen, of course) would do only good.
Jews don’t totally control US TV and leading print media but they are VERY thick on the ground in newsrooms especially among producers and editors and managers. Getting talked about as being even arguably “anti-Semitic” or “no friend of Israel” is poison for a journalist career or many other careers. Although there’s formal agreement by most US Jews that criticizing Israel isn’t the same thing as being anti-Semitic, everyone knows that you have to be REALLY cautious and that any criticism that isn’t down the line some well respected American Jews have already opened up is HYPER risky. Hell even then it’s risky, unless you’re part of a herd. Sure don’t want to be early or stand out. The result is a sort of self censorship where criticism of Israeli actions are concerned, enforced by real fear. Of loss or great diminishment of career. Considering that Jews are less than 3% of the US population this is quite an outrageous situation. Quasi censorship by open networking.
I think ostracized would only make matters worse. What Mel needs most is to be circumcised minus the nerve blocking drugs.
The movie Passion of Christ only told the story that has been passed down and published over thousands of years. Mel did not "MAKE" the movie anti-Jew, it's just what happened!! The Jewish people of that time killed Jesus(a Jew)....he didn't just make it up to be anti-Jew Don't freak my Jewish friends, as a Christian we are constantly reminded that it was "OUR" sins that killed the KING...the blood is on humanity's hands.
Mel GIbson has oonly voiced what the majority of the people in the world feel. YOu don't read or hear it that much for political reasons but deep down everyone feels that way...so....deal with it.
Hey Sal As a great example of antisemitism, you certainly made it clear that mel is not antisemetic enough to prove that he is-l
I am an artiste! I was rehersing for a feature length version of "Protocols of the Elders of Zion". It will be hot and has a ready made audience of 1.2 billion people.(of a certain faith)(plus hollingsworth)
Especially when they warp facts. Over the past centuries. Most wars were fought by Muslims and Arabs. The largest wars, WWI and WWII were started in Europe, but Arabs had active roles in following the Nazis in WWII. Those who say its Israel are ignorant to the fact that the Arabs were slaughtering Jews in Palestine long before Israel was RE-CREATED. Ever hear of Hebron, the Jewish holy city? How about the Arab Muslims slaughtering the Black Africans? How about the Muslims and Christians in Bosnia? How about The Iran-Iraq wars? How about the Lebanese civil war? How about the PLO trying to overthrow Jordan? The Soviet war in Afghanistan? The Russian War in Chechnya? Were there other wars and other people involved? Of course. To blame wars on Jews is not only wrong, but its disgustingly racist and ignorant. I dont blame all wars on Muslims and Arabs. I blame wars on ignorant idiots like many on this talkback and Gibson who lie about history.
1. the Jews lived their most peaceful periods in history under arab rule, where muslim arabs, christian arabs and jewish arabs (yes jewish arabs.... don't let the Sepharads tell u otherwise) were living peacefully and with respect for their faiths, all they had to do is pay the tax if they didn't want to become muslims. The alternative in history is when the Jews lived under Europeans: Spanish Inquisition, Holocaust! Stop killing them and thank them!!!
I never wanted to believe Mel Gibson was an anti-semite. Now I do believe it and I am very disappointed.
It's a sort of reign of terror light. Professional terror. His alleged remarks which have been leaked may or may not indicate he has a generalized anti-Jewish sentiment. It’s clear he was mad at the time at Israel and the Jews who support what she’s doing in this war (which certainly appear to be the overwhelming majority of US Jews), and that he was drunk. Many people don’t make careful distinctions when drunk. Maybe he also has lots of positive sentiments about Jews. (Maybe not, I just don’t know. But the many that are jumping all over him immediately sure think they know.) He may or may not end up being badly hurt by the outcry from the ADL and others. After all he is VERY established and independently mega wealthy at this point and able to attract money for his own pictures from a variety of sources. Nonetheless the furor and the hyper zealous “policing” and attempts to rally the Hollywood community to freeze him out from now on makes it plain what would happen to an actor less well established. All the more so a journalist.
As an alcoholic, I can vouch that you do completely irrational things while intoxicated that you would never do sober. You are liable to say and do things that are completely out of character. Mel very well might be an anti-semite, or he might not be. I know I think some crazy things sometimes that I know are wrong. Thinking something, and acting on them are two completely different things. I challenge anybody to claim that they've never felt some sort of bias against others. It's human nature, the key is to not let yourself succumb to it. As for Abe Foxman, he is the ultimate bigot. He'd like to throw anyone who disagrees with him in jail. His hyper-sensitivity is exactly what's wrong with modern western civilization.
Ariel, I disagree. Prostitutes do not do more disgusting things for money than a Jew continuing to represent Mel Gibson. I've seen his last movie, on screen or on TV.
What is meant by your claim that "they will not stop [libeling Mel Gibson for anti-semitism] until they have used up every trick in the Torah?" Are you talking about the same Torah that includes the "trick" of loving your neighbor as yourself? ("ve'ahavta l'reacha kamocha" in Hebrew.)
He may be a bigot, but there's no law against being a bigot. You can choose to boycott his movie, you can hate him all you like, but he broke no law by saying what he said. He's just an idiot anti-Semite, and in America your views are sacredly protected whether you're a Jew, Christian, Pagan, satan worshipper, whatever. I think Mel Gibson is a sadly brainwashed man raised by a hateful bigot father to be that way. But that's his damned right.
Whatever happened to free speech in the USA? These jew pressure groups such as the ADL should all go to a country like Israel where freedom and democracy do not exist. Here in the USA we are supposed to be able to say whatever we want without fear of being blacklisted, charged with so-called hate crimes, etc. I know I will continue to watch Mel's movies, which are quite good and certainly much better than the jewish crap from ridiculous hacks such as Spielberg, whose movies nauseate me with their sugarcoating and sly pro-Israel messages. Instead of apologizing, Mel should reiterate his message in even stronger terms and condemn what jews are doing in Lebanon and also in occupied Palestine, the Golan heights, Gaza, and even in the USA, where they've highjacked our government through their corrupt lobbying practices and pressure group tactics. Tell the jews to go to hell, Mel!
I don't understand the big deal made of this. So the cops catch a drunken man who mouths off. How many drunks get caught and say all kinds of nasty things about all races and sexes. It means nothing. I think that there are people out there targeting him in particular because of his fame.
When there were claims that his movie, The Passion of the Christ" was antisemetic, I thought that it was just a knee jerk reaction from some Jewish Organizations. Now, I'm not so sure.
Ur absolutely right! Mel is big money and thats what counts, he could have committed rape (Kobe) and they'll still bank on him! Remember Marlon Brando's comments years back on Larry King, where he criticized Jewish Hollywood for being insensitive were in order, but he was washed out by then so they did crucify him!! Shame!
Ok, he made a mistake. So now they want him removed from his community? The people calling for this are monsters and 100 times crueler then anything Mel could have said.
I appreciate all Abe Foxman does, but in this case, my opinion is just ignore Mel Gibson. He's inconsequential and not worth the attention.
I don't get it! The guy wasn't giving a speech in public, he wasn't organizing a march... he was just drunk and ranting to a cop! Why ostracise him for his mistakes? Isn't America the land of freedom? Certainly u can't think that that was defamation or hate-crime? How many Jews curse arabs? how many whites curse African-Americans? Do you want to ostracise all of them? Stop being puritans!
You, muslim colonialist's are much worst than the British and French colonialist's,the French and the British did not force the natives to embrace theyr religion,like the muslims did,the muslims destroyed great civilizations,like Egypt,Persia (iran) and turned them into begger nations,muslims from all over, are knokcing at the doors of the infidels,to be allowed in. The muslims from the arab peninsulla,in the 7th centuary invaded the land of israel,murdered,violated the women,pillaged,now they claim ownership,the muslims right over the land of Israel,is the same right,the Frrnch had over Algiria,England, over India, and so on,the arabs residing between the Jordan river should be repatriated to theyr ancient homeland which is the arab peninsula. vasko
Sal Azam obviously didn't see Gibson's Hamlet. Apart from Gibson's lack of talent (no sense of comic timing. No subtlety.)and coasting along on good looks for far too long, he proved long ago that he harboured distateful opinions. I don't go to his movies anymore, or rent his videos, and when he's on t.v. I simply flip the channel. He's just not important.
Sure, Mel Gibson is free to say whatever he wants. Jews also have a freedom: of not buying tickets to his movies, of not investing in his business, of refusing any association with him, of influencing othe people to do the same etc. I remember, after "The Passion" Jewish liberals were wringing their hands, proving thet Gibson was not an anti-Semite. Well, now they got the truth straight from the horse's mouth (so to speak). How his Jewish agent/publicist continues to work for him, is beyond me. But some prostitutes do even more disgusting things for money...
first of all you did permit camps for killing jews. second you did help to fill them by not permitting jewish emigration, even when jews did get out your government -lord moine in cairo - did sent them back -STRUMA. he was -CORRECTLY- executed for this. even m. tatcher did accepi it.
toldot yeshu was written about 800, not 6th century after 600 years of extremly deep antisemitism of fathers of church, most of them on the level of hitler. christians started it and continue ap to this day. shame on you, all christian churches are antisemitical whatever their claims.
Yes, you say what Mel Gibson says all the time. You've been saying it for years.
Mel won't be ostracicized by Hollywood - he's still BIG box office, and capable of pulling megadollars into the tills of the studios. Money is the only thing that counts in Hollywood, and this holds true even for those studios headed by Jews.
Robert, my Jewish friend, why would you feel it necessary to "create a positive relationship" with Mel Gibson? Gibson has had numerous opportunities for self examination, the first before he created the anti-semite diatribe of a film called The Passion. Time to face facts: Mel hates Jews just like his father before him.
No Jew should pay one penny to ever again see or rent a Gibson film. The same for any unbigoted Christian. The man is a pariah and is as every bit a bigot as his old man who is a Holocaust deniar.
As a Jew, I really don't think it is such a big deal, in fact it could be an oppurtunity to create a positive relationship with Mel. Look we all have our prejudices, I am sure many of us don't feel so kindly to Arabs. But I do feel we are not all that racist, and when we are outed like Mel Gibson there is an opportunity to re-examine our motives. This could be very cathartic for Mel Gibson if he wants to take this occasion to examine why he feels the way he does.
in this joker Mel Gibson's stunt.
Al least Mel apologized! It seems in anti-semitic you are demonized and if anti-Arab you are kosher and 'holy'. what a crock. Get over yourselves people, start building peace, stop bombing bridges and get on with your lives, Jew, nonJew, Arab, christian, atheist, we all have the right to be respected.
Go to TMZ.com, a Web site owned by Time Warner. Look at its reports for 28 July. It states that Mr. Gibson had demanded to know if the arresting officer, James Mee, was a Jew. During an obscenity-laced tirade, according to the report, Mr. Gibson also said ?the Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world.? The best part however is that they obtained a copy of the 4 page written report submitted by the arresting officer. All you have to do JAY is go click click and 'voila" you have your evidence. Doesn't that make you feel warm all over?
You may not agree with what he says, but he does have the right to say it
1. Study history and calm down. Christ is not a threat to anybody. But there are dark generalizations in the New Testament. Plain discriminations. Should be removed. 2. Read Vermes on Jesus. 3. There is sometimes a culpability of certain Jews in acting very undiplomatically, and hurting some Christian and Muslim sensitivity. The interviews by Israelis and Jewish leaders on foreign radios and TVs are mostly very poor. Were is Aba Eban?
What the hell are you discussing? Did Mel Gibson liberate death camps in Europe? I'm not even sure if he was in any movies which involved liberating death camps.
and rumour is enough to convict a gentile. Well, silly me. I thought it was the other way round: poisoned wells, blood libels, murderers of Jesus, controllers of the media, starter of world wars....
Do you mean not give blame like Britain did to the Belfast 4? Or perhaps the UK cops who shot down an innocent electrician on the tube? Or perhaps like the English refusal to let jewish refugees fleeing Nazi germany's holocaust land in Palestine and to turn them over to Arab militants? Come on Jay, you may be too young to know what i talk about, but if you're not then at least you could try to be reasonable. People in glass houses indeed...... English self-serving and hypocrisy to the fore again :)
Mel hates Jews Jesus was a Jew Therefore Mel hates Jesus
Poor Mel. Celebrities deterioration into madness and vice is the reward they recieve for their intimate pact with SATAN. All celebrities are prostitutes and idol worshippers. Whom do they worship?? ans.= themselves. We admire and worship them foolishly and unwittingly. These are the End Times BARUCH HASHEM. B'ezrat Hashem more and more celebrities shall be shamed and shall fall from their man made pedestals. I hate Hollywood, when will the big earthquake hit already?? according to the codes 5 more years.
Still talking rubbish Indrajaya?? Still boring...... But it's fun to see you look desperately for any shred of support. good on you.
Fine - if that's the way you view Israel, if Israel is a CANCER in your pathetic little mind, then don't be so surprised when Israel defends itself from those who attack it. Cancers after all flourish under the right conditions and attempts to destroy the cancer are strongly resisted. Clear calls to the Muslim world to destroy Israel legitimize Israel's endeavors not be destroyed - The whole country becomes a resistance movement.
"...In the Jewish world it seems gossip and rumour is enough to convict a gentile..." Thanks, Jay. I didn't pay attention on that "report" things. Since, Mel Gibson has being targeted by some pro-Israel Jewish group for quite sometime, there is a reason to questioning whether he said such stupid things or not.
He should stand up and say "I am a ceritifed anti semite"
So he didn't apologise for his remarks, only his drink-driving? I'm sorry, what's this then? "I acted like a person completely out of control when I was arrested, and said things that I do not believe to be true and which are despicable. I am deeply ashamed of everything I said and I apologize to anyone who I have offended." But then again, all gentiles are guilty in the end, aren't they? Even the ones who liberated the camps in Europe while the Jews in pre-state Israel were too busy fighting the British and Arabs.
"2. Israel-Palestinian conflict are the only conflict that existed since WW II ended, most of it because Israel`s rejection to implement, among others, UNSC#242: withdrawals from occupied territory." Might I remind you that millions of people have been killed in wars fought in places such as Africa since WWII... You have heard of Africa, right? Gibson is is a moron and so are the people who paraded with Hezbollah flags at an anti-war demonstration yesterday in Stockholm.
Jews triggering conflict??? Have you forgotten Indonesia's attempted genocide of the defenceless Timorese in the name of Islam? Have you forgotten Indonesia's current war crimes against West Papuans in the name of Islam? Have you forgotten the hate between Muslim Sunni and Muslim Shia and the hate for both by Christian Lebanese in Lebanon? Have you forgotten the killing of women and children by Muslim fundamentalist Taliban in Afghanistan? Have you forgotten the Muslim hate killing in Seattle last week? Have you forgotten the horror of fundamentalist terror on Sept11 2001?? Have you forgotten the Bali bombing by Hamabli and other Muslims which killed innocent young Australians? Why Australians? Have you forgotten fundamentalist Muslim Chechnyan terror in Russia? Have you forgotten Muslim terror in India? Have you forgotten Muslim terror and domination of the Hindu Balinese in Indonesia? You have conveniently forgotten. Again. How boring.
This would not be the first time I've read of "reports" (usually informed by those helpful and convenient "sources" with no faces or names) in Israeli media of anti-semitic behaviour by "x" in the West. In the Jewish world it seems gossip and rumour is enough to convict a gentile. So why don't you all keep hold of your judgemental, ignorant, equally bigoted and racist comments until the police release the OFFICIAL report of what happened? When it's clear what happened, and you KNOW he did it, then you can comment. Anyway, if he did say those things, then although they are foolish and wrong, they are no worse than the frequently racist anti-Arab and anti-Western statements posted on this forum every day of the year by Jews and Israelis. Give and take? He who lives in a glass house...
How do I know? That's simple. Jesus was a Jew. Mel hates Jews therefore Mel hates Jesus.
That's hilarious how you act as spokesman for someone you have never met and wouldnt want to meet you. You make such a fool of yourself
Go on and support him and tar him with your own disgusting prejudices
Gibson has shown by his behaviour that he is nothing but a drunken, antisemitic bigot, and deserves all that's coming to him from his Hollywood colleagues.
The truth is the cause of all wars, because it reveals the corruption of every man. Israel in it selfs isn't the truth but it bares the name of the one and only God, they will suffer till the messiah comes for being God's servant. So Mel is right but condems himself and all of us with it. May God bless you and keep you from sin.
of what the TMZ reported, they are after you because of "The Passion of Christ" and wont let go before they used up every trick in the Torah. In God we trust Mel.
we don't care what you think.
This is expected to hear these comments from Christians who feel this way about us. even these so called friends of Israel, the Evangelists terrorists fee this way deep inside. We never learn from the past, and thats why we have only 13 million Jews left. These Evangelists have us convinced they are looking for our best interest while they are counting the days for their fake God to come back and kill us all. They need us fighting, and starting WW III so their JC can come back, thats all. I saw a recent show where they are celebrating this latest war because they think thats it, and JC is coming back soon. Not any different from Arabs celebrating after 9/11. Mil Gibson is just one of them, who believes in JC, but caught spitting the truth while drunk. It is time for us to tell these Evangelists terrorists they are not welcome in Israel. Stop pretneding that you like us. How can they where we think their God is fake. We will pay dearly one day for accepting thier support!
The truth came out!Forget the alcohol! He's and anti-Semitic bastard and no Israeli should pay money to see his films. His apology is a joke.
when you are angry with someone you mention what you perceive as their defects, nor their virtues. and it seems that in the eyes of mel been a jew is a kind of problem, in the same way that in the eyes of jews been a christian or been a muslim is a problem ( goy ? ). christ said that when someone offend you, you should reply with good actions, mel and myself have let christ down many, but many times. however, christ never said that if someone offends hashem, your mama, your family, come to destroy your house you should let them do evil.
You and the Mels and the Iranians would love that...put ius into a ghetto so you can march us off at your leisure. what is a mushugganah nazi like you doing in America any way, and reading Haaretz yet? GOOD SHOW SISTER SARAH, dont worry the time of Messiach is here and these fools will be dealt with, just as the IDF is doing his work.
i don't know why mel said such a thing. the only film i like from him is the passion of the christ. what he said is a disgrace, however, lets digg a bit into history. the toledot yeshu is a book written by jews around the sixth century, this book is highly derogatory of the name of christ. this book was written long before the crusades, the inquisiton and the nazis. so, i do believe that when mel said what he said he made a big mistake, however, the first who threw the stone ( the insults )were not the christians. he problably felt angry on how some jews ( not all ) reacted about his film the passion, go to any jewish blogg and see for yourself. if a dog pee on my trousers i cursed the dog ( but i love dogs ), if the credit card has a big interest rate i curse the bank (however i put my trust in them to keep my money, if my supermarket charge over the odds for an avocado i curse the supermarket ( but i don't shot any cashier ).
Mr. Gibson making the headlines again, what a pain in the neck. He should see a psychiatrist, he's sick.
Exactly what did Mel say? So far what I have seen in writing he has allegedly asked someone if he was a jew - How is that anti-Semitic? He also has been accused of saying that Jews are resposible for all the wars - That may be stretching it a bit, but in light of the present world's situation (last 70 years), it sure seems that way, don't it!? Just check history from the reason for WWII and on..... and then on what's been happening in the Holyland since the Balfour imbroglio. The Gods are Great
As an actor I have always liked Mel Gibson,as a person I do not know him at all,but after this episode,if he said what they claim he said under the influence of alcahol,then I would say he is an antisemite. When you have had one to many,the truth always comes out.
To those who applaud Gibsons statements statements.............you are guilty of a sin greater than Gibson unless of course you are drunk too...............Than it is a TOTALLy excusable statement!!!! Drunks as we know are "pillars of the earth"...(where did I hear that phrase before?) The Koran from Kana?
Then why dont you move to Israel to take care of yourself ? Israel needs you more than the U.S.
Mr. Gibson is not responsible for his virulent antisemtism. After all, he ingested antisemtism with his mother milk. Same with Ahmedblabla and Nasr'al-lat, who both ingested their antisemitism with their mother milk, except the mother wa a goat and the fathers are unknown.
In vino veritas,or as it says in Hebrew, the true man is revealed by his "kosso we kaaso' Mel Gibson, the son of an avowed anti Semite, and who made the 'The Passion of the Christ' while swearing that he loves Jews, has shown his true and twisted self. Arrested for drunk driving, he launches into an anti Jewish tirade. What has that got to do with drunk driving ?. It only shows his twisted mind. May God have mercy on his sick soul. The man is a sick bigot.
He said the truth. all resistant movements in the arab world are a response to the west's injustice and double standards (which we all see nowadays) and due to the CANCER (israel) that was injected in our midst by the GB and nurtured by the USA.
As always, when drunk, individuals say what is in their hearts. Gibson's apologies don't hold water with me.
"Muslims have been killing each other and committing the most atrocious human rights violations for generations-- completely independent of Jews or Israelis. Dude- there`s a reason most Muslims live in poverty- you seem to have violence running through your dna..." Your, excuse me, "challenge" Gobineau-style consists from libelling Muslims things the way neither Gibson nor Sal libel Jews. Perhaps it's a waste of time pointing out that by saying Muslim DNA (itself a spectacular paradox of ideology and biology) is accountable for the violence, you devoid yourself of argument that Muslim religion has something to do with violence. Although, perhaps, we shouldn't be surprised seeing the later, ideology-based argument, used few posts later by the same Mark. The worst enemy of illogical speaker is not his adversary but the logic.
YOU ARE A FREAKING IDIOT
A little bit of knowledge can be dangerous; in the hands of fools it can be lethal. If his blood alcohol level was 0.12 compared to a legal driving limit of 0.08 then he wasn't even twice over the drink-drive limit. To be as drunk as he claims to have been he would have needed to have significantly more alcohol in his blood, so he is simply trying to hind behind the excuse of being an alcoholic. Anti-semitic actors are not a new thing (Eg.Vanessa Redgrave). There are plenty of anti-jews in the world, starting with 99.999% of moslems, thanks to the misguided religious preachings of the Imams. Any muslims protesting on this site about jews objecting to attacks on them is a hypocrite. As many here will know, Islam is the most intollerant religion. Anyone speaking publicly against Islam has a fatwa against them and fears for his life, so don't go whinging about Israel & jews being the cause of all wars! Arabs are stuck in dark-ages; it may not be their DNA but Islam has much to answer for.
has the officer been in Mel's own words. "I feel fortunate that I was apprehended before I caused injury to any other person...". What about a new movie, Mel?
Dear Mel, All your movies show clearly who patriot & man your are definding your land from occupation as well as hizballah doing know against the most terrorist state supported by the big devil george bush. the monsters in israel are nothing like you, those savage anti semetic people they onty know killing the world opinion has watch the massacre made by us war plane against civilians & child. Jesus will not forgive twice he done it once after you crossified him saying (God forgive him they don t know at they done) Regards mel
million Christians and others during WWII. I know it is not fashionable, but the Jews were indeed behind WWI and WWII.
A Jewish proverb says: when wine goes in the secret comes out. Gibson hates Jews not just Zionists. Regarding Zionist occupation, let me have a short trip around the Muslim rim: Kosovo, Bosnia, Macedonia, Chechnya, South Siberia, West China, Philippines, Indonesia, Kashmir, Sudan, Chad and I did not mention yet Lebanon and Iraq. The people of the sward are involved in wars against anyone they interact with and among themselves. Conclusion, it is not the Jews who are the villains. It is your people Azam who belong to the jungle.
Well said. Gibson has been known for this before and there's certainly nothing new in the Iranian attitudes. What a shame considering that the most humane of Israel's occupations by outside marauders was under Cyrus, the Persian. How hath the mighty fallen... to venom-filled, inexplicable hate.
Lets see...Muslims blow up children in schools in Russia, bomb Hindu holy sites in India, slaughter Buddhist priests in Burma, attack Buddhist Temples in Thailand, burn down churches and behead missionaries in the Phillipines, mob attack Catholics in Nigeria...the list goes on and on. That is the reality of the last few years, unfortunately many of these places do not get coverage in the mainstream press. Unfortunately, Samual Huntington's statement "Islam has bloody borders" is true. Yet, classic antisemitism mythology which for two thousand years held the Jews responsible for all the worlds problems now has a new manifestation: the Jewish State, Israel, is responsible for all the worlds' problems. Hence, there is reality and there is myth.
Mel Gibson should address the Christian world on his tirade; as one who made that movie to supposedly to advance Christ's cause he seemed to have answered his critics statements that he was anti-semite. As a Christian, I pray for the Jews and their peace and supported Mel's movie as it reached many muslims, but the leanings of his movie that Jews are to be blamed is not right, we Gentiles also crucify Christ in some ways, we are also guilty. Its time he come to terms and admit his true feelings not while he is drunk!!
Ori, don't insult Christianity! Otherwise you better leave the USA. A country with Christian history, national holidays and 98% Christians and the increasing number of catholic-christian immigrants from South America. You can easily move from L.A. to Tel Aviv.
Mel Gibson is hardly alone but at least he wasn,t just blaming Israel,he blamed the Jews.There are many anti semitic / anti jewish people in the world.Many of them seem to work in the press corps steadfastly showering the world with anti Israeli and anti Jewish propaganda.It is troubling that Israel has politicians who seem to be more concerned with international public opinion than winning a war of survival.By not releasing the film footage of Hezbollah firing rockets from Quana to Israel in time the anti semitic press was served an " own goal " by Israel.By halting the air strikes against Hezbollah Israel is strengthening Hezbollah militarily and internationally.Israel seems to want to be loved and to be prepared to commit suicide to get that love.I think Israelis have forgotten that anti semitism cannot be fought with reason and need to awaken to the harsh world of global anti semitism.Nobody will protect Jews but Jews,nobody will protect Israel but Israel.
Mel Gibson is an Aussie sheep Shearer who got lucky in the acting world by turning up to an audition with a bashed in face which turned on a girly film executive who thought "What a man!" It' s a sad story that shows up the shallowness and vacuous ness of Hollywood but his films have been doing that for ages anyway. It was inevitable as this is something you can?t cover up no matter how hard the hype.
I have always wondered how Christian anti-Semites live with that fact and can balance that disease of the soul and the mind that anti-Semitism is, with the fact that Jesus was Jewish... as Jewish was his mother, as Jewish were his Apostles.
If Kofi Annan retired, would anyone notice if Mel took his place?
An aussie actor goes on an anti-semitic rant while being arrested for dui and Jram here finds a way to post outrage at jews. It is so typical. Does anybody believe any of the things JRam claims given his ability to stare reality in the eye and deny it. This issue here and JRam's spin on it are typical of his methods on discussing any and everything regarding Israel.
Your country fought for trade agreements back in the 1600's, to make sure your country would be secure and self-sufficient. That's what Israel does. Have you seen how small Israel is?? Look at a map for heaven's sake! They're talking about a few miles of land, and Israel is talking about survival.
Imagine if Mel had instead said: "The Fxxxxxg Muslims" "Muslims start all the wars in the world" "Are you a Muslim" How many people would have given a flip about it? How many people wouldn't have taken his "drunkenness" as a valid excuse? Just a thought!
Mel Gibson have said, what was in his mind, he is anti-Semitic. Iranian American people like you never will get lesson from their mistake, and it is the only reason our nation is 5000 years behind. First lesson Israel Arabs conflict is not Iranian business. Second lesson follow the true history of Persian culture. Third lesson free Iran from religion of Islam.
Mel Gibson have said, what was in his mind, he is anti-Semitic. Iranian American people like you never will get lesson from their mistake, and it is the only reason our nation is 5000 years behind. First lesson Israel Arabs conflict is not Iranian business. Second lesson follow the true history of Persian culture. Third lesson free Iran from religion of Islam.
Mel Gibson have said, what was in his mind, he is anti-Semitic. Iranian American people like you never will get lesson from their mistake, and it is the only reason our nation are 5000 years behind. First lesson Israel Arabs conflict is not Iranian business. Second lesson follow the true history of Persian culture. Third lesson free Iran from religion of Islam.
Billy Bob wrote about crucifying Mel...G-d forbid we should waste to good pieces of wood...I would rather build a house of peace and mutual respect with the wood than the outhouse of hate you speak...does the word hypocrit mean anything to you...opps...I mean does the name Mel mean anything to you...
Mark what makes you think Sam is Muslim?Christians killed eachother too, maybe theyre violent in nature as well? Are you implying that Muslims are in the wrong due to their religion or nature? I guess it must be their DNA! Do you think people with the same mentality as you make descisions for the State of Israel? I hope not. Mark next time you want to rebute someones argument try to make sense or if you believe that you are making sense try to hold back comments that make you appear racist. Maybe then it would matter what you say.
Joe- I would drink to what you said but I hate to drink from the cup of an ignorant, illogical and hate filled person. You may think that a drunk is correct about the conflict in the Middle East, but than again you probably think that the madras system of education should be the one we have in the United Staes.
In response to Indraya's posting: 1)You indicate that the State of Israel is the most destabalizing factor...study your history...the most destabalizing factor was the rise of Islam and its spread throughout the region with violence and coersion... 2)From day one of Israel's existence, Israel has desired peace with its neighbors and made efforts to do so...the response from her neighbors- "push the Jews into the Sea." 3)If you want to see how Arabs truly view non-Muslims learn about the "Dhimmi Status" Jews have and had in Arab countries...maybe Israel is involved in all the conflicts in the Middle East because it is the only non-Muslim country in the region and tolerance isn't a trait or value within Islam...
on his Jesus movie. Because, I don't think a studio will be able to get insurance on him. He is washed up.
Jews can say all they want about Mel and his so called "anti-semitic" remarks. It's disgusting Jews get more outraged at what a person says in a drunken stupor but seem to not care that their own government is waging genocidal wars in Palestine and Lebanon--and behind the war in Iraq. What's more outrageous, the slaughter of children by Israel or the comments of a drunk? ADL Foxman thinks Mel should be charged with "hate crime", but not a peep out of this charlatan for Israeli war crimes? "Calling for a criminal investigation into the Oscar-winning actor and director's remarks, Abraham Foxman, the national director of the US Jewish Anti-Defamation League, said: "We believe there should be consequences to bigots and bigotry". I agree, there should be consquences and it starts with arresting members of the ADL anti-goyim hate group!
.."The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world..." Probably not all wars in the world, but Israel is a very significant destabilizing factor in the Middle East and around the world. 1. War in Iraq were unleashed by Bush Administration with supporting of Israel and Jewish Lobby in Congress, because Saddam Husein were strong supporter of resistance movements against Israel's occupation of palestinian. 2. Israel-Palestinian conflict are the only conflict that existed since WW II ended, most of it because Israel's rejection to implement, among others, UNSC#242: withdrawals from occupied territory.
So, what's the big deal here? So many right wingers, celebrities and zionists are all the time bad mouthing Muslims, and nobody makes any fuss about that. Say something about Jews, even if in a drunk condition, and your life is ruined. Well, you folks HAVE power!!
.."The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world..." Probably not all wars in the world, but Israel is a very significant destabilizing factor in the Middle East and around the world. 1. War in Iraq were unleashed by Bush Administration with supporting of Israel and Jewish Lobby in Congress, because Saddam Husein were strong supporter of resistance movements against Israel's occupation of palestinian. 2. Israel-Palestinian conflict are the only conflict that existed since WW II ended, most of it because Israel's rejection to implement, among others, UNSC#242: withdrawals from occupied territory.
Funny. Everyone I know (Jew, Gentile, Hindu) always talks about how the Arabs and Muslims are causing all the fighting in the world. 1. Hizbullah who started this war. 2. 300 Innocent Hindu's Murdered last month in Mumbai, India. 3. The Palestinians-Terror Bombers & Kidnappers 4. Al Qaida- They even kill each other. 5. Bali-Killing Australians in night clubs 6. London-Arab murder of over 100 British in the subway. 13% of Brit-Muslims in favor of more attacks on Christian Brits. I couldn't care less about what Gibson said. He said it while drunk. But everyone says that about the Arabs and Muslims, without even a drop of liquor. The truth is, is that the world leaders in the west, including Australian Prime Minister Howard, and the average Australians who kicked Arab (mostly Lebanese) ass on the Sidney beaches last summer know the truth.
Let's string Mel up...how about all of us who have never done or said anything against anyone be the first to get the rope or nails for his crucifixion...you bunch of jerks...you'r as bad as the news media...
when he was arrested, drunk, he spewed forth anti-semitism which he normally manages to keep somewhat hidden. Perhaps by 'great actor' you mean that he was just pretending to be drunk and to be anti-semitic ? Admire his acting but get your head out of the sand or you may suffocate. Mike
Boy, you must really hate Jewish people! I wonder what you'd say if he said that about the Muslims! "Are YOU a Muslim?" "All the wars in the world were started by the Muslims!" How do YOU like it?
Alcohol is like a truth drug. It lowers one's inhibitions and a person under the influence lets down his guard and is prone to say out loud what he actually believes and keeps inside most of the time.In the ranting of a drunk person lies the deep down belief of that person. In the case of Mel Gibson I am so glad this has happened as I was one of the people who was not to sure about his anti semitim. I now know for sure that he hates my people, and that is his right. But I will never watch anything he has anything to do with again and will boycot him.
"What Mel Gibson meant was that..." You were sober I suppose when you wrote your comment & you profess to know what he meant in his drunken stuppor of ranting and raving, while at the same time claiming "Mel Gibson is a great actor and person". Do you have any more words of profound wisdom that you wish to share with us?
My grandfather used to say that you can judge a persons true character by observing the person's three 'cafs' His 'cos' (literally his shot cup) His 'caas' ( his anger) His 'cis' (how he relates to money) Haaretz didn't print it in this article but Gibson also was quoted as saying 'the fxxxing Jews..."
A very good actor. Several of his films are favorites of mine. But then I can discern the difference between the actor and the right-wing religious nut. The religious right in America only 'loves' israel and Jews because they consider a nuclear war started by Jews to be the bringer of the second coming of Christ. Aside from that, they sound and act just like Mel, who is one of them.
THIS ARTICLE is about Mel Gibson's irresponsible comments to an officer as he was being arrested. It's' relevant because the comments were about Jews. And this is a Jewish news site. Of course, in true Muslim form, Sal Azam turns this into a trist on Israel's so-called wrongdoings. But since we're on the subject, let me challenge your poisonous ascertations: Muslims have been killing each other and committing the most atrocious human rights violations for generations-- completely independent of Jews or Israelis. Dude- there's a reason most Muslims live in poverty- you seem to have violence running through your dna... Israel is just a convenient place for your brutal "leaders" to point the blame.
What would Jesus say to Mel? "I died for your sins and this is what you say..."
He apologized, but not for anti-semitism. I guess he thinks there's nothing wrong with it. After all, he says his father never told him a lie.
"Enter wine, exit a secret"
Sal, Have you been drinking, too? Don't you think that blaming all the problems of the planet (population: 6 billion) on the Jews (population 15 million) is just a little bit pathological? Mel said he would seek help...why don't you? Also, just to put you gently on track (I can see you're on the edge): the lands occupied by Israel in 1967 are not illegally occupied. You may not like the occupation and you may despise the results of it, but it is not illegal since Israel was responding to U.N. defined acts of war committed by Egypt, Syria and Jordan. Once those causes go away, the occupation will surely follow. If you don't believe me, then just call my bluff and sue for peace!
So why are you reading Haaretz? We're Jews, and we care about whether or not other people hate us. You're under no obligation to care. The reason we have a State of Israel in the first place is so we can take care of ourselves whether or not Iranian Americans and/or Mel Gibson likes us. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
It is amazing how people justify hate speech...Clearly you have no clue about the reality of what you say...can I make it really clear for you by saying: "You are consumed by the very hate you speak about..."
He'll repent and straighten out! Selah!
Mel isn't to blame for the bad parenting and role modeling he received as a child. He shows us the power of the Biblical phrase," the sins of the father passed onto the son." The shame is Mel really meant what he said and this isn't a new issue.
Mel Gibson is not antisemitic. He was blamed for making The Passion of Christ and he and his family including his father were harassed by the pro Israeli thugs in United States especially when he was outside the country. What Mel Gibson meant was that the Zionist government in Israel is the starter of war. Look at Palestinian areas, Golan Heights, Southern Lebanon, Shaba farms, East Jerusalem, West Bank and Gaza are all under the illgal occupation of Israel. Iraq,Afghanistan and now Lebanon is all made and prepared by Israel and pro Israeli likudnik elements like Paul Wolfowitz and the pro Israeli American media. Instead of leading the world into peace they are the leaders of war in the Middle east and Afghanistan. Israel should realize that it is occupying land belonging to four countries for more then 38 years and its time to relinquish it but it won't. Israel loves to fight a weak enemy. Well this time the enemy is stronger then Israel and is justified in what it is doing.
so....?