Israel worried Egypt will allow terrorists to enter the Gaza Strip

i don't really want to confuse you to much but gamel nasser declared war on israel the moment he blockaded the straits of tiran which was an act of war.israel retaliated hence it was a war of defence.before you mouth of it would do you well to at least get the facts correct

Have to continue posting. I see how you failed, yet again, to address any of what I posted, just as you've run from: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/904367.html http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/903601.html http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/901620.html http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/880722.html and many more Your stupidity is proof as to why I must post. Thanx for pointing that out.

did you actually read johns post properly? what the hell are you raving on about? he is correct in all he says and so is maureen, but what you say about johnboy actually fits you better, YOUR THE ONE FULL OF HATE AND DENIAL.

He always runs away to pop up with the same disproven lies again. SOSDD. "the Rules of War changed in the 20th century", not in that area. There's nothing in the HR, GC, UN Charter or anything else that says Israel must give back all the territory it captured. "explain to me it was an Israeli *defensive* war". Well, as long as you keep running away from the real meaning of "armistice", that Egypt violated the armistice, and that returned everything to the active SoW Egypt previously declared, of course you'll whine it wasn't. Poor JB, so full of hate and denial, you're not just a puppy, but a rabid one. Stop foaming at the mouth and join us in reality. It will only hurt for a short time and then the truth will set you free.

Let's start with this one... C: "Throughout history, it has been the rule that lands won in a defensive war are kept by the victor." You do know, don't you, that the Rules of War changed in the 20th century? First with the Hague Regulations 1907, then the Covenant of the League of Nations 1920, then the Kellog-Briand Pact of 1928, then again with the Case Law of the post-WW2 Nuremburg Trials, then again with the UN Charter 1945, and yet again with the Geneva Conventions of 1949? You do know that those changes mean that all the "previous rules thru history" no longer apply, don't you? Now, on to this one..... C: "Israel won the Sinai in a defensive war." OK, Chaim, explain to me how it was an Israeli *defensive* war if that war *began* with an Israeli surprise attack on the Egyptian air force, as well as an armored OFFENSIVE by the IDF against an Egyptian army dug into foxholes???? Or didn't you know that it was ISRAEL who attacked EGYPT at dawn on June 5, 1967?

"The day WILL come when you stand before God and discover you were on the wrong side." That day will surely come when you murdering and land-thieving zionists stand toe-to-toe with your calf-worshiping, interest-charging degeneracy which has marked you money-lenders-in-the-temple for 2000 years or more. There is no God but God. How dare you zionist usurpers call the God of all humanity as your own? The God of zionism has another five-letter name, beginning with 'S' and ending in 'n'. Get a grip on which side you evil zionists are on!

Chaim, you probbly also consider that a bank thief returning stolen money as making some sort of concession because this is somewhat what you are saying. Chaim, giving something back to its rightful owner after it has been stolen is not called concession in English, it is called restitution.

Pharoh Can you please give us the videos maybe post up the videos on a website or give us the video link ?or you cant bakc your "facts" up

caused by supremacist countries! Shame on you for once again calling on the Holocaust to justify human injustice to another people in another era! Wake up and smell the wars, your homeland the USA, has caused DR!

"That`s what Egypt is doing by playing the Muslim Brotherhood`s / Hamas` game." - Fortuna The supposed "game" of supplying Hamas with weapons or people is "narishkeit" (=foolishness, Yiddish). My Baraitas are all divine truth. Sorry; we don't accept such conspiracy theories. As far as Mazal=zodiac sign, perhaps you will try to imagine what astrology used to believe in. Then see how it is related to Fortuna. Hmmm, when did the word Mazal enter into Hebrew?

One should always play fair, when one has the winning cards.

Good old Oscar,----'Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious".

My name is a traditional Sephardic one, coming from Mazal in Hebrew (which is rather "Zodiacal sign"). Fortuna, the Roman goddess, has nothing to do with it. Aurum nostrum non est aurum vulgi, Tosefta (Our gold is not the gold of the populace), so with my name. BTW: "ludo mentis aciem" is not "as fancy takes it" but rather "renders it as a game. Egestatem isn't "poverty" but "engendering", etcetera. Perhaps a Hebrew translation would be better. In any case, I won't bore you with Macciavello's "Il Principe" to remind you how putting off one's rival's fumes a bit is essential to put them into irrelevancy. That's what Egypt is doing by playing the Muslim Brotherhood's / Hamas' game. Do you have a Beraita for that?

He ignores one minor point. EGYPT REFUSED TO TAKE GAZA BACK They abandoned their brother moslems - to live in poverty - in the most overpopulated region in the world - BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO BE BOTHERD DEALING WITH THESE REFUGES As for Pharoh - TAKE YOUR PEOPLE BACK - remember your name sakes fate.

Would love to respond to you - but unsure what you are trying to say?

By George youve got it. But then again my son unit covers GAZA - I dont want his pluga to have to return to deal with them either.

They didn't want responsability for the mostt overpopulated area in the world - an area plagued by poverty. OR IS IT THEY DON'T GIVE A D. ABOUT THEIR MOSLEM BROTHERS - AND DON'T WANT THE TROUBLE MAKERS BACK

A country/nation whatever NEVER EXISTED Why care - because the abandoned areas are now a terrorist haven. Egyptian rule would hopefuly lend some stability- a partner to deal with - a party to hold responsable if terror continues. BESIDES WHOS GOING TO CARE FOR ALL YOUR ABANDONED MOSLEM BROTHERS

My Ex_Leb was a nice gentlewoman. I'm the one who got fed up of her and her Lebanese people, and ohhh no...that Lebanese arabic accent was killing me. Kissing Jews isn't a bad thing. Walid...that Lebanese who wished to make it for Canada, are you now united with you wife?? so who is in Canada and who is in Lebanon?

Walid, I'm not sending subtle messages. I'm clearly pointing out the fact that Israel has made hundreds of concessions and retreats without ever receiving a single benefit. As for Israeli retreats from Judea and Samaria, they are totally wrong too. Israeli concessions and retreats are ALWAYS wrong. That is why we always hear Israeli leaders talk about "painful concessions". Pain is nature's way of telling us we are doing the wrong thing. Israeli concessions are painful for the same reason it is painful to touch a hot stove.

Not "militants?!!" Are you guys having a sanity attack?

Kim, reminds me on the good old story of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". That was one of the main reasons, why Israel didn't have any problems to accept the rising of Hamas during the 80's. With all the (ugly) consequences of today.

Throughout history, it has been the rule that lands won in a defensive war are kept by the victor. Israel won the Sinai in a defensive war. Thus the Sinai legitimately belonged to Israel. Israel should have kept it. The Sinai also happens to be of incalculable strategic, military and economic value. Israel used to have some of the world's most powerful air bases and defensive positions there. Israel ceded the Sinai for a worthless piece of paper. Had Israel kept the Sinai, an Egyptian attack would be far less likely and far easier to defeat.Former Egyptian President Anwar Sadat acknowledged,"Begin has his problems. I got the whole Sinai. He got a piece of paper". Israel has made hundreds of concessions and retreats without a single benefit. The disastrous Sinai retreat is no exception.

No wonder the peoples of the Middle East are living in such a mess after reading this lot of warmongering crap. Have all these years of confrontation solved anything? For the first time the Saudi plan has offered Israel recognition by ALL the Arab states for the exchange of the captured land. Two years ago Iran has also offered to be part of the Arab side. This plan is noton the agenda. Why? Does Israel prefer war to peace? No one can have the cake and eat it, not even Israel.

The U.S. should stop Egypt from allowing terrorists to enter the Gaza strip.

after the 67 war israel offered the arabs just what they are demanding now via the arab peace plan. so this ios a vindication of israels stand... right? but no israel now has moved the goal posts... and wants a lot more. greed doesnt pay. grab the arab peace plan, before its yanked of the table

If a binding peace agreement was reached, Israel's borders would be fixed...no more settlements, no more grabbing of Palestinian land in the West Bank...

Pharoah, what you say about the IDF being corrupt is so true and they can be easily bought cheap. How do you think Hizbullah got a hold of those Israeli uniforms and communication radios that were found in the Hizbullah bunkers and how do you think Hizbullah knew excatly how and where the Israelis intended to attack? Don't let Margie's attempt at poetry ruffle you, she used to teach nursery rhymes in kindergarten as a teacher and it's good that at her age she hasn't lost the touch.

I do not like the IDF getting into the wolf's mouth. I rather they pounded from the outside.

You continue to show your high level of ignorance by comparing the IDF to terror groups. Answer this... Do Israelis indoctrinate their children to hate and kill muslims? Do Palestinians? Which culture paradeds little children with mock suicide belts, tramples on other nations flags, fires guns in the air, puts up posters of martyrs(suicide bombers) in the streets etc etc etc? Ask yourself this simple question and get back to me.

When the previous civil war was underway they were also stockpiling arms.

Hamas does not want competitors in Gaza but the monopoly of the global jihad in those territories.

You are offering a lot of untruths in your post. Israel has offered a lot in the past and the Palestinians rejecetd their offers every time. Why? As for peace, it is hard for Israel to make peace with countries and culture that teach their kids to hate jews. This is a documented fact...muslims teach their kids to hate jews. you cannot deny it, just look in their media, text books, tv etc. How can you not condemn the indoctrination of Palestinian kids into becoming suicide bombers? How can you say nothing about the daily rain of qassams on Israeli cities? Your one sided view paints a very biased picture and world leaders understand that the truth is out there and is seen all the time. unfortunately, people like you don't really look for the whole picture.

Hamas is a terror organization. The IDF is an army deffending their people and country from the terrorists. Egypt refused Gaza. The Egyptians dont want it so they do not have to deal with the terrorists.

They will indeed try--but God has other plans for the lot of them--Israel will be hurt, but will be the ultimate survivor. They will NRVER wipe Israel totally off the map.

Yes, we all know what side you would have chosen back in WW2 as well. Guess what...you're routing for the wrong side. People like you who are basically apaologists for terror states are a dying breed my friend. You can call us neocon-zionist pigs all you want, but the world's people see reality for what it is. You obviously don't!

The problem is that the war the pals are doing is not of resistance but of aggression to wipe out the Jews. The resistance is the Israelis.

Aouch!

And you can't tell the difference! The day WILL come when you stand before God and discover you were on the wrong side.

My opinion is that Israel should pound the terrorist harder. When Egyptian terrorists get hurt, Egypt wont protest. I suppose Egypt does lets them in with that intention.

Israel exaggerates everything that has to do with Egypt. But Israe is used to do this. They are uncapable of blaming themselves for anything. ANYTHING! Everybody is evil, while they are saints! What is written here is so stupid, for a political analyst to say! How can Egypt be working or cooperating with Hamas, while they are affiliated to the Muslim Brothers? Is this believable? Of course not! All written here is a punch of lies! If they tell me a cooperation with Fatah to Harm Israel, it would have been more believable, but with Hamas??? Are these people crazy?!! It is extremly stupid ideas and I guess the one who wrote this or analysed it, read a report, the other way around!

First you expel Palestinians and expect arab countries to suffer for you. now you want the Egyptians to become a detention camp for Palestinians you don't want. what arrogance.

Your dynasty is outlived and out of date You bitch and whine. Accept your fate! You're gone and forgotten Your wealth and glory stinking and rotten. You're wrapped up there like a mummy And imagine we're just some western dummy. We know you'd kvell with ecstacy and joy If we'd accept your transparent ploy - You think we're stupid to fall for your game When your tactic is just as dead as your name

Latin ch is pronounced like English k. The phrase is correct.

I find it hard to understand the discomfort Israel is having with this fact, it was the elements of the leadership of the Israeli Government that knowingly surrendered their security for worthless verbal promises, or maybe these same officials were bribed or paid by outside powers to ignore the obvious and allow the Cities surrounding Gaza to be made uninhabitable as a test just how to keep encroaching on Israel until the entire Israel will be subjugated to daily terror. The current perpetrators known as Israeli elite will long be dead when that will happen so just why should they care they have received the benefits of such perfidy during their lifetime why worry for the future generations of Israelis let them spill their own blood if they want to relieve themselves of the historical traitorous acts of so called Israeli leadership.

"As long as it achieves the desired goals". Of Israel? You made it clear. The collective punishment is o.k only for the others - even for the innocent civilians. The security and the human rights are the privileges of Israeli people only?

Why didn't the IDF apprehend the 85 hamas bomb experts as soon they passed the border if they know the number pretty well. israel is now playing the game of complaining to deliberately fail the Fall peace conference. IDF soldiers are allowing everything into israel and there are videos of them getting bribes but the Egyptian government wouldn't release it so not to make an internal instability for Olmert and then israel will make the excuse of not going to the conference for new elections. Anyways - we won't give you the chance till you are forced to give back Jersualem and say thank you to us. Mazal Tov israelis ;)

The correct line in C.B. is 'Mihi quoque' Is there a 'michi' in Latin?

Tamir, what's the good word; got tired of badmouthing the Lebanese because your Lebanese wife left and now you have to kiss up to the Jews?

David, Israel offered to give Gaza back as part of the negotiations. For some odd reason Egypt refused to take Gaza back. Gee. Wonder why.....

"The Sinai Beduins would be happy to have us back - Egypt treats them like 3rd class citizens and they`re sick of it!" And how do you think we treat our own Beduins? Have you ever been to the Negev and seen the miserable life that our Beduins endure day in and day out?

"Enough nonsensense - RETURN GAZATO EGYPT" I don't know where you aquired your doctorship or in what subject, but I'm sure that history or geography are not your specialty! Gaza has always been part of historic Palestine and long before you or your parents stepped on its soil. And if you say "we already pulled out", then why is it any of your concern who crosses the Gaza Egyptian border? Does Canada have a say on who can cross the Mexican/US border?

You are right, Margie. I just used an imprecise description. Only IDF soldiers are accused. Thanks.

"Precisely BECAUSE Egypt`s dictatorship is threatened by the Muslim Brotherhood, it seeks to cater to its followers to take some steam off its opposition to Mubarak." - Fortuna Fortuna, here is the definition of being TOO smart. We are talking about Hamas, a militant group, with the potential of exciting their own kind in Egypt. If Egypt wants to pacify people, it would do something humanitarian for Gaza, not blockade it. Again we are dealing with generating bad luck. This time, you have it planned for Egypt. Take a look at the following. You might want to sing the Latin part to the tune of the opening of "Carmina Burana" and have fun too: O Fortuna, O Fortune, velut luna like the moon statu variabilis, you are changeable, semper crescis ever waxing aut decrescis; and waning; vita detestabilis hateful life nunc obdurat first oppresses et tunc curat and then soothes ludo mentis aciem, as fancy takes it; egestatem, poverty, potestatem and power dissolvit ut glaciem. it melts them like ice. Sors immanis, Fate - monstrous, et inanis, and empty, rota tu volubilis, you whirling wheel, status malus, you are malevolent, vana salus well-being is vain semper dissolubilis, and always fades to nothing, obumbrata shadowed et velata and veiled michi quoque niteris; you plague me too; nunc per ludum now through the game dorsum nudum I bring my bare back fero tui sceleris. to your villainy.

Michelle, Egypt may be treating the Bedouins as 3rd class citizens but Israel is in the process of ethnically cleansing the Negev of its Bedouins to make more room for more Jewish squatters. There is no end to you guys.

"Egypt has everything to loose, and the US has little to loose if it talks bluntly to Mubarak." The US can't talk bluntly to Mubarak because he can always threaten the US with holding democratic elections in Egypt! Does Gaza ring a bell?

Chaim, if you are sending subtle little messages that Israel should not leave any of the settlements where you are now squatting, you are wasting your time. Sooner or later, the squatters will have to pack their stuff and leave. There will be lots of room for you guys in the Negev after you finish ethnically cleanising the area of its Bedouins..

Why is anyone surprised? It's not as if Egypt ever was friendly or cared about Israel dispite the peace treaty. Read the Egyptian papers if you want to really know what Egypt wants to do to Israel.

Israel expecting Egypt to help is like the USA expecting Mexico to help stop Mexicans to travel to the US illegally to make $ 30 a hour instead of $ 0.50. The job of illegal Arabs in to murder Israelis. They take it seriously. So should Israel. The smallest border s in the world, they should be tight as a cork.

but many abroad simply do seem to appreciate it, to even try to understand the fact that Israel's security needs are way beyond the terrorism of the Palestinian Arabs; they rather include, still, the entire Arab world that refuses to recognize Israel's right to exist, and the right of the Jewish people to be located in its ancestral homeland, and the Arab world, all of it, will wipe Israel off the map the moment Israel let down its guard!

Egypt is a friendly country that has the blessing and love of uncle Sam. Yet Egypt somehow allows smuggled goods/weapons, and terrorists into Gaza. Syria, on the other hand, is an enemy, awaiting to have its regime replaced by a US-backed puppet. Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and now Iraq are terrorist bases. This leads to the conclusion, that every CIA-friendly country (regardless of the good intentions of corrupt regime) will end-up somehow harbouring, supporting, or tolerating terrorist activities.

Yonatan, you are now preaching in favour of collective punishment for the Palestinians. Would that be with or without ovens?

Light at the end of the tunnel? Israel withdrew from Gaza and the Palestinians reciprocal move was rockets from Gaza! It wasn't a light at the end of the tunnel; but anbotjher train going the other way!

Tamir Palestine, Iran and Lebanon did nothing to damage Gaza, this was done by the Israelis and all you can see is the red caused by your Lebanese wife leaving you so don't blame all of Lebanon on your failed personal life. Kissing up to the Israelis here isn't going to help you or the Palestinians in any way.

So do dutch and the rest of the usual suspects. Of course, reality has never entered into their tirades...

The Arabs said NO,No&NO.Remember? Where did you get that conversation between Sadat& Begin.?Please give the sdource of your transcript?

It's the central theme of all her communications.

As long as it achieves the desired goals. I pointed this out several weeks ago in a number of communications on Talkbacks. Let me add that collective punishment is something that Arabs, living in a patriarchal society, understand, for they practice it themselves.

How could Iran and Lebanon do this to us? they encourage terror in my country. They don't wants the Palestinians to live in peace with Israel. I completely blame these two countries for the damage they have caused in Gaza.

Yes, he's a man of few words, but that's because he is also a man of few brains.

Stop landing missiles on Israeli schools and kindergartens. Stop it NOW.!

The statement "Egypt claims that Israeli soldiers are taking part in weapons smuggling from Egyptian territory" reminded me the Arafat's assertions that it is Shabak who plans and performs terror attacks in Israel, and not Palestinians (actually - their criminal leaders). Egypt officials actual sound similar logic. Does that mean that the principle "lie as much as possible - maybe it will work" is a common Arab's way of thinking, no matter how much this or that country has developed?

Understandable

and other non-miliary items instead of behaving like Israel's enemy. You people controll that border.This way Israel can shut down the crossing completely and Egypt can continue its long love affair with the Moslem brotherhood a.k.a Hamas.Or do you prefer to help bleed the Israelis? When you controlled Gaza you really controlled it.Egyptian machine guns on Jeeps quietened any reslessness quicksmart.

"Israel worried Egypt will let terrorists enter Gaza." How I hate the 1984-language of Yankee neo-con zionists turning every word and phrase into its opposite meaning, thus providing an Alice-in-Wonderland experience for the thoughtful amongst us. My point would be, as I stand up stunned by this Orwellian title, that so-called Israel is the terrorist entity, and that Egypt in its attempt to repatriate Palestinians into Palestine, which anyone in their right mind (other than zionists, of course) might see as an ordinary and natural event. Goebbels himself was the mastermind of this up-means-down language which you zionists have perfected. Just for your information: truth is truth. Lies are lies. Discernment lies in between.

These people live in Gaza. They are Gaza residents and are currently being kept from their families while living in makeshift accomodation in Egypt spending their savings to survive. There are thousands of Gazans stuck in Egypt, including many women and young children, and many of them are living in horrendous conditions. If they are 'terrorists' they should be arrested and given a fair trial. If not, they must be allowed back to their homes and jobs immediately. Israel is simply closing off Gaza to make the lives of the 1.5 million Gaza residents so miserbale they give in, force Hamas out, and accept any orders by Israel and the international community. This is collective punishment.

We already pulled our troops out - go all the way. TELL EGYPT TO TAKE ITS PEOPLE AND LAND BACK - THEN HOLD THEM RESPONSABLE FOR THEIR CITIZENS ACTIONS DON'T LET THEM DUMP THEIR PROBLEMS ON ISRAEL - AND SHIRK ITS RESPONSABILITIES TO ITS CITIZENS IT ABANDONED

The Sinai Beduins would be happy to have us back - Egypt treats them like 3rd class citizens and they're sick of it! It's HIGH TIME Israel quit allowing herself to be shit on by Egypt. We GAVE THEM THE SINAI! If they don't want to patrol their border, we can just take it back!

Arab Palistinians hvae no historical claim to Israel. Nothing. no artifacts, nothing zero. They want to steal Jewish history. Send them walking, they have no claim to the land what so ever. nothing.

They enjoy almost diplomatic immunity in Gaza.Small fry is sometimes targetted,but the bosses are completely safe

Israel will have to enter massively the Gaza strip for two main reasons: dismantle the rocket and missile infrastructure that has been build under the guidance of Iran and with help from Hizbullah and Syria and a blind eye by Egypt. The Israeli towns in the South-West must be relieved from daily attacks. This comes as a preparation for the showdown with Iran too, to take one of its pawns out. The second reason is that without weakening substantially the Hamas terrorists and their leadership, there is no sense to negotiate with Abbas because he and his Fatah movement would soon be defeated in the West Bank as well.

Egypt tries to play both sides of the fence. they turn a blind eye to smuggling, and only when pushed tostop it do they round up some "USUAL SUSPECTS" who are either killed while infiltrating, or arrested. Egypt does little to stop smuggling, and knows exactly where the tunnels are yet this whole article does not mention this. egypt constantly demands to have more troops stationed on the border but Camop David agreement prevents that. Who would want a battalion or more of egyptian troops on their border given the previous historry of trying to raze ISrael. ISrael will have to assume control over philadelphi because Abbas wont and Egypt is simp,ly an extension of the muslim brotherhood

It shows you what an Arabs word is worth, even when it's in writing---Israel should keep this in mind in all future negotiations---Arabs are conmen and liars, Egypts actions prove it---

to be the friendly Indians--Egypt of ancient times is the Egypt of today---Or a leopard doesn't change it's spots---That's the regime Olmert was sucking up to---

Israel has no legal right to control the Sinai border in the first place. The eternal meddling in Palestinian affairs has driven these people, Gazans now especially, to the extent of resigned nihilism. 1.5 million starved due to ancient rockets that rarely kill. REAL Israelis, in larger numbers, are rejecting extremist ideology and the illegal squatter movement. There is simply no reason for the continued onslaught on all things Palestinian.

By your command of the English Language(LOL), it's quite evident which side you are on and have been on and from whence you came...You've said a lot of things, many times, most of them untrue--In this instance you're partially correct---However, North Korea, China & Russia won't get directly involved---North Koreah is involved since she furnished the reactor that was destroyed...China will never send troops, neither will Russia---

Arabs have slaughtered many times more of each other than in all the Arab Israel conflicts. Don't you remember from week to week? Let me remind you of the recent past Lebanon Iraq Hamas-Fatah they are killing more of each other alone than the conflict. Then you can look further affield in the cuntries controlled by the Religion of peace Pakistan Afghanistan Turks Kurds Algeria We can talk about killing infidels another time but they are just a side issue to the main tradition of Moslems killing Moslems since the Prophet(PBUH) bought peace to them.

...as well as Egypt's turning a blind eye to continued smuggling from Sinai to Gaza... So what are you going to do to Egypt then, Israelis? Reoccupy Sinai as a punishment to Egypt, huh?. Why should Egypt keep HAMAS men to stay in Egypt, to become suicide bombers in the middle of CAIRO?

By allowing arms to the enemy thus becoming part of the hostile forces? Cannot have it both ways? Why doesn't Egypt allow convoys of non-military supplies to their brothers of the Moslem brotherhood whom they keep killing out of hand in Egypt.? Happy to keep Israel bleeding?

Isn't it a good sign that Hamas is apprehending Al-Kaida members in Gaza...???? A first step to "moderation"...??? Where there is mankind, there is hope (and illusion...).

Enough nonsensense - RETURN GAZATO EGYPT - MAKE THEM RESPONSABLE FOR THEIR OWN PEOPLE THEY ABANDONED - we already pulled out - take the next step - DEMAND EGYPT TAKE ITS PEOPLE/LAND BACK - then hold them accountable for what goes on there. DON'T LET THEIR NEGLECT REMAIN ISRAEL'S PROBLEM

... if Egypt lets terrorists into Gaza. Isn't the IDF terror organisation also threatening to send its own murderous terrorists into Gaza. Just because terrorists are Arab doesn't make them any worse than Israeli terrorists

C: "Some say Israel secured peace with Egypt by ceding the Sinai." No, most thinking people said Israel secured peace with Egypt when it returned the Sinai to it's rightful owners. C: "Israel would actually enjoy a far more secure and enduring peace had we kept the Sinai." No, because Sadat made it clear to Begin that if he didn't get the Sinai back then he'd tool up AGAIN, and he'd go to war over it AGAIN. And if he didn't get it back that time then he'd tool up a third time, and he'd go to war over it a third time. Listen, Chaim, Begin was as far-right an Israeli leader as ever ascended to the Prime Ministership - and not a man to flinch at the thought of spilling blood - and even *HE* understood that Sadat was not bluffing, and if Israel tried to keep the Sinai then it meant tens of thousands of dead Israelis, and the very real possibility that one day the Egyptian army may not only go toe-to-toe with the IDF but might actually crush it.

pal goons in Israeli hospitals. "They have nowhere else to go" their shrill voices will sound

Stop excusing every Arab regime. It is not as if they were angels. Indeed, they are all despotic and anti-democratic. Egypt helps Hamas to keep its own radicals quiet.

Given the large volume of smuggling, it could not take place without the cooperation of Egypt.

This is an absolute scandal! The Egyptian government cooperating with the democratically elected government of the Palestinians! WHAT NEXT????

May Jesus's Wisdom/Love strenghten your beliefs ,

Egypt's complaint was an accusation that individual Israeli soldiers were complicit in the smuggling. I have found no suggestion that there was 'Israeli involvement', as you say, which would suggest a policy involvement by Tsahal or the govt.

It surely helps Syria threats of 'Mukawamat' against Israel , Wich means the daily pan arab arab urban war/terror attrition intervalled by full fledge mideast wars each decade and by now each 5 years or less , The Arab World certainly knew to ban Egypt after its 1978 aggreement with Israel , It took for Egypt 10 years to be accepted back by the Arab World when Egypt begun to undermine the said agreement thru the pal autonomy clause. Clause forced by Carter upon Begin , Clause twisted by Carter's apartheid book . The reason of the said clause is now translated openly , for all the pan arab world to see Egypt allegiance to Arab League Mafia . Haaretz quote " Egypt's turning a blind eye to continued smuggling from Sinai to the Gaza Strip. Egypt's allowing gunmen to enter the Strip from its territory. the beginning of October Egypt allowed some 85 Hamas militants to enter the Gaza Strip from Sinaii The group reportedly included experts in manufacturing bombs, rockets and mortars, who had undergone extensive training in Iran and Lebanon." And the medias systematic drugg to drowse Israelis ears portray Egypt as a US ally ," The medias systematic drugg to drowse Israelis ears portray Egypt as a US ally , The US Dep't of States surely knows to nourrish its mideast interests to the detriment of its commitement to Israel Security , Sovereignty , ect...the US Dep't of States blinds Kadima with Road Map , the US Dep't of States now speaks about 'core issues' and 'political horizons' , Should the US Dep't of States's puppets Olmert , Peres , Beilin , arabised lefties with Kadima object , then the US Dep't of States's cold shoulder and pressure comes in handy , examples of US Dep't of States's Law perversion thru the violations of counter terrorism policies , the bosltering of Arafat terror living legacy Abbas-Fayyad , a US blind eye to Fatah violators of the late amnesty deal , US Dep't of States' negative exploitation of the term 'occupation' , US Dep't of States' endorsement of Ryadh 2007 arab league refiled machination , freeze on settlements thru trhe fabricated Sasson infamous report , and if need be all the way up to a freeze of weapons deal , In a post 9/11 world , the US Congress Security and Foreign Relations committee may want to have a word or two with the head of the US Departement of States Dr Condi especially now that VP Cheney is pissed off at her , Speakin' of a US change of Gov't , where is leftie liberal Bradley's manipulative talent

Call this peace with egypt......pffff. They are laughing while sending terrorists into gaza. Israel got a signed piece of paper in returning the entire sinai peninsula, good job Israel way to think it through. The fact is that Israel with its 1 billion + aid from the US has built up quite the military and once again has resumed to the activity of waiting for an opportunity to attack israel once it has been deemed weak enough!!! we must prepare ourselves, gird our strength and resolve that if we are to war once again with egypt land for peace will never ensue when victory has been achieved!!!!!

you're a man of few words,but with strong message.

call it naivety, arrogance or whatever, israels expectation and demand, that its interests should be looked after by all and sundry as a matter of right, is plainly stupid and unrealistic. israel has a peace treaty with the egypt, but what bridges has it built with the egyptian people?.... none. this "peace" exists on the strength of american money and goading... an unsustainable situation in the long run. israel is making the same mistake with the palestinians... wants peace, but will only move after the palestinians give up all forms of resistance. again unworkable.... give them a glimpse of the light at the end of the tunnel... deflate the despair... only then can it expect a reciprocal move. but it keeps building settlements on the one hand... and demands peace at the same time. some nerve. israels treatment of the palestinians is the single biggest reason the egyptians hate u guys. uncle sam learnt nothing in iran. the shah was it best friend.the people its biggest enemies

i have said this many times, the arabs are arming themselves to the teeth, israel is in big big trouble, and if the u.s interfers, russia and china and north korea will jump in, i know which side i'de be on, it aint the israel/american alliance, thats for sure.

Some say Israel secured peace with Egypt by ceding the Sinai. Israel would actually enjoy a far more secure and enduring peace had we kept the Sinai. Not only would Israeli ownership of the Sinai prevent it from being used for terror. It would also make an Egyptian attack far less likely. Israel's Sinai giveaway is no exception to the rule that Israeli concessions and retreats have ALL been disastrous.

Egypt has everything to loose, and the US has little to loose if it talks bluntly to Mubarak.

As the Yiddish saying goes: "Zu klug toigt nisht" (Too smart is useless) Tosefta makes mental acrobatics that miss the facts on the ground. Precisely BECAUSE Egypt's dictatorship is threatened by the Muslim Brotherhood, it seeks to cater to its followers to take some steam off its opposition to Mubarak. So Egypt is indeed turning a blind eye to enormous weapons' smuggling activities through the porous rat-holes of Rafah. Blaming Israel is ludicrous, no matter the contorsions Tosefta makes. It's the Egypt - Hamastan border.

and Israel should start bombing Cairo day and night until they stop the terrorists

Why are you concerned? Olmert is not concerned and will give arabs everything they want. What would Sharon do in these cirumstances? He would execute a strike to take over the Philadelphia route to block Gaza entries under the pretext that things are out of control and Hamas is violating the treaty.Quit crying. Retake Ph8iladelphia? Olmert was the one who wanted GAZA returned. What an incompetent!

The secular Egyptian government is under threat from Egyptian fundamentalists from the Muslim Brotherhood. Egypt fears Hamas the fundamentalist. Any success by Hamas will encourage their brethren in the Brotherhood. It therefore stands to reason that Egypts invests some honest efforts in stemming the flow of weapons into Gaza. The one who is most responsible for the situation is Israel itself, in preventing Abbas from negotiating a deal with Hamas that can restore at least border control to PA forces and help stem the flow from the Gaza side. (The Egyptians know what they are doing when they support reconciliation by Abbas and Hamas.) The other violation of allowing Gazan militants to return to their homes in Gaza is simply minor. These militants would have gone home freely had they done it a day before Hamas took over. So now they return home after their organizations do some favor to Egypt. (Hamas surrendered to it an al-Qaida escapee from jail.) This is a one way street. The Egyptians do not allow militants to come and go; they just allowed stranded militants to go home. Egypt should explain to Israel that it has a choice, paying for the militants upkeep as refugees in Egypt or let them home and forget it. It is obvious what Israel`s choice would be.

When Egypt agreed to be a special watchdog on the Gaza border in preparation for the Israeli withdrawl from Gaza, it was with the understanding that Either Israel remains in the Philadelphi Road along the border OR Abbas/Fatah forces will control that border. In other words, there will be another force, on the other side of the border, helping stem the flow of smuggled goods. The US/Israel policy of encouraging a coup against the Hamas government resulted in the fight which ended with the complete Hamas take over. Now, there is nobody guarding the border but Egypt, and the blame goes to them alone. It is as if the US will not guard its own border with Mexico and accuse the Mexican government for all smuggling. It is an unfair situation, and an unfair accusation against Egypt. Egypt should suggest that the UN take over the guarding duty (UNIFIL-like) and return to the pre-disengagement posture, with a demilitarized Sinai. Why should they pay for Israeli and US mistakes? P.S. Egypt`s claims of Israeli involvement in the smuggling, etc., should only be accepted if they have reliable info. No doubt, Egypt has good intelligence sources in Gaza, as Israel does too. Let somebody make a comparison.