Israel says it opposes Russian plans for Moscow peace summit

There are rumors Russia will nuke Israel if Israel nukes/attacks Iran first, so ANY talks between all 3 should begin immediately! If not, the only rational conclusion is that they are all insane.

The could just say they support a homeland, but don't support the BS, just as many right minded Jews say. Building new settlements and slurping more land each day is not supported. Regards.

To: Stephen #9 and to all who think that Israel is a democratic state. (1) How can a "Jewish state" be a democratic state? (2) How can a country whose leaders believe that ethnic cleansing of a large section of its indigenous population is legitimate be called a democracy? Anyone who thinks that Israel is a democracy is out of this world.

If you are concerned about Zionists, I must be an Israeli Jew. Regards.

one of the Zionist lot. You dusted off your passport, changed your name, beat a path to El-Al and hauled your tired ass to Belfast because you know what these zealots do not. Israel's demise and world condemnation of her is rising. You don't want to deal with any discomfort so you figured like many zealots posting here that you would post BS from afar, but not in La-La land. I agree with you, that is much safer. Keep your passport handy, you may have to run of out of Belfast too. Regards.

What's the matter with the Russian peace talk? Is Israel afraid of a peace conference that she can't control? There hasn't been one peace conference on the Middle East that Israel hasn't torpedoed somehow.

Why is it expected of Israel to keep making concessions to terrorists? Israel should just say no. We will not deal with any terrorist lead group.And they will absolutely not give up their Temple Mount. And that the muslims should go live in the original Palistine..which is Jordan. Enough of this nonsense. The world has gone mad.

Here's the problem. I know scores of Zionists: some Jews; some not; some Israeli; some not; some religious some not and NOT ONE of them wishes to kill Palestinians; not one of them wishes to deny anyone their rights to a State; not one of them wishes to extend religious or nationalistic hegenomy. But every one of them is tired to being labeled by people who really have no understanding of the real meaning of zionism. Of course there are Jews who are anti the zealotry of the "greater Israel" types, but you do what too many do; you paint with a broad brush. Having Jewish friends does not make you, or me, an expert. Having an open mind to the idea that even the thinnest pancake has two sides at least affords the chance to actually think and reason, as opposed to just being, well, ballistic.

sad but true' what will you do if the US goes broke or get wise? then you will have a reason to whine

$6 billion plus

ghost writer have you discovered why no democratic candidate never gets 100% of the vote ? so you see why you are a nitwit !

haaretz wouldnt know reality fact history and common sense if it came gift wrapped in a billion $ note! try ginko biloba morning and evening for brain food \!

I am an arab and a palestinian

$6B plus the other "perks" is not a large amount considering the "strategic and military" relationship between the US and Israel. A substantial amount is for R&D in both military and civilian contracts not in the "public" sector. Israel's unique position in the ME is worth what the US pay for.

Yeah, right, if you are an Arab, I am Jewish.

Well, I don't think #54 is any worse than one I read on the Haaretz thread "7.4b to Palestinians" from a resident Israeli poster named "Kathy" which I reprint for your perusual: "There are tow kinds of people.The ones who give nothing,know only how to beg,and kill. Very apt to the blacks,and the same the Arabs. Gimme,gime,and at the end nothing but more asking,killing.Just like the blacks in the U.S The majority are just criminals and serial kilers,drug addicts,rapers,and the scum of the earth.So,you are right about macaca(whatever that may mean)To me it just means(kak)." Kath. So I guess it is okay if they are a Zionist poster but not okay if they are Pro-Pal. Did I complain to Haaretz, no, I posted her back and pointed out that she is the Israeli bigot she is. Stop whining.

Israel is not afraid to talk, but she knows that when she "talks" to Putin, he won't be accepting any of that usual BS about God giving anybody land, there never being any inhabitants of the land they plopped on and stole, nor advance any of this King Solomon stuff on him. He would want the facts, just the facts, which he already knows, and those "facts" are quite different than what Zionists would have folks believe. Everybody but Americans know the "facts". If they were to put forth the usual spiel to Putin, he would look at them and tell them such BS doesn't even pass the laugh test. BTW, I like your direct hardhitting posts. I see they gnaw on you, but that matters not one wit as they gnaw on anybody pointing out the BS of it all. Regards.

Well, if it is that bad, why do you stay? Israel is paying people to come on over. In fact, Russia is advertising for Jews to return to her. Something doesn't make sense about what you posted. Regards.

There is a thread today where the author suggests you drop the word "Zionist", which has both a benign and pejorative meaning. Judaism is respected worldwide by all religions. Although one can both observe Judaism and desire a homeland, there is another group of those claiming to be Zionists, who admit to being godless, do not observe the Torah or its tenets, are in leadership positions in Israel and are killing the Pals and saying stupid BS about how they don't exist. It may surprise you to know that there are many Jews around the world and here in the US who are vehemently opposed to Zionists over there, what they are doing to the Pals and sullying the image of Jews who don't support any of it. I am friends with Jews here in Vegas and it may surprise you to know they don't support what is going on over there and have not been vocal in support of it. Forget this Jew baiting spiel, you mix it up with legitimate criticism and condemnation of Israel's policies over there.

I wonder why message #32 of Bonheur is allowed to stay on the forum. Here is couple of quotations "malevolent kosher State" "kosheristic ennemies" I've copied it and few others and I'll send it to Haaretz editor in chief and I suggest everyone to do the same. Interesting if my message will be published

Change your name! You are a disgrace to the name David!

every time a country like Iran starts spouting off or Russia sends syria weapons or europe starts mouthing off at the Jews I get worried about another holocaust starting. it sounds impossible but it's not. it happened before and iran with one weapon could anihalate a big part of the jewish population. i'm afraid as an arab to keep harping on israel because it's so easy to arouse the passions against them as its so easy to do in the middle east, in eurpoe and even america sometimes. that' why when i see all these constant harping on the jews i get a little scared that this hapring will turn into something more dangerous. i know the jews got good weapons and the u.s. behind them but thats not that much when you consider how many people would liek to see them pushed into the sea.

Wow, did you work real long and hard to come up with the fact that the ZIONISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! are the threat to world peace. What kind of fool are you? Do you know what a Zionist is (I mean other than that dirty word YOU make it every single day)? Of course you don't. You just know how to be a smartass Jew baiter and you're good at it. Especially when you propound that zany differentiation of yours separating "Torah-loving" Jews from those "evil Zionists". Do you draw long noses and beady eyes on them whenever you can? I'm SO conflicted. I have a Jewish friend who loves the Torah and also thinks it's alright for the Jews to protect their homeland. Whatever can I tell him? That he's half alright? The greatest threat to peace on God's good earth is the baseless, stereotypical prejudice that far too many human beings engage in. Pity that one who seems as bright as you, has a limited heart and a closed mind.

Russian leadership is desperately trying to trump the U.S. in world affairs and influence. Through his totalitarian ways, Putin has managed to obtain absolute control over Russia and has ruthlessly eliminated his enemies. I would never trust the them in matters of peace in the Middle East and I hope that Israel and U.S. are not fooled by these attempts to usurp their authority.

This is consistent with Israel's overall policies. Refusing to make peace with Hamas despite their many offers of cease fire - usually answered with assasinations of their leaders. Failing to throw a few bones to Abbas the Pal Vichy. Starting wars over any minor provocation - eg. Lebannon and Sharon's re-invasion of the WB. And Israel's big discussion before Annapolis not to give up anything. How can you have peace in a disputed contentious situation, if one side has all the power, all the money, and won't give up anything? Israel is a rich country with a lot of millionaires, and they are the prime recipient of handouts from the US taxpayers. Jews can take no pride in Israel at all because the US taxpayer bankrolls the whole ugly operation.

US gives Israel direct military aid, financial aid, etc. US also allows Israel to "borrow" billions, but then never repay. Israel has never repaid a loan from US. Also, US allows private citizens to donate money to Israel and get tax rightoffs - Israel is the only such country. This costs the US treasury billions more. You could also factor in the war in Iraq and a destructive MidEast policy which makes muslims and arabs anti-American for supporting Israel and supporting hypocrisy. The US is so brainwashed and indoctrinated - you can get far, far, better and more objective and balanced news from Haaretz than you can from any US paper or station. Anyone who asks questions about Israel is fired, marginalized, boycotted, or condemned.

Russia is the country that produced some of the world's greatest scientists, writers, musicians. It is also the country of the most brutal regimes, willing to do anything to achieve their goals. Expansionist mentality, hatred of anybody "unlike-us", feelings of worthlessness cured by anger. Russia is not what USSR used to be. But, it is to be confronted and it should never rise again to be as strong as it used to be. Because it has always abused its own citizens and has no qualms about doing it to everybody else. And blind patriotism, you don't need me, just read the Russian Jew's posts.

cmon he isnt a puppet of usa and israel, now are you going to label russians evil because they refuse to stoop to a "slave" level to you? israel should start thinking more and less complaining because you are looking for big trouble if think you can meddle in iran&russian affairs, russians wont allow it and iranians are sick of israel's complains and threats it would be better for israel to shut up this time and leave its arrogance aside

so you would choose country over God first?...

at a peace conference. He is not at all swayed by the baggage of many in the US/Israel of God being a real estate agent, ancient kingdom of David/Solomon and the Zionist cry that Pals don't exist. Bush says he looked in Putin's eyes and saw his soul, a remarkable feat. I guess Zionists don't believe Dubya. They don't wanna talk to anybody who wants justice for the Pals. Poor ole prophet Olmert was right, two states or bye bye and the 'peace seeking' Zionists wanna throw him out, or worse. The emperor has no clothes. Now that Iran will not be bombed, world has time to concentrate on the real threat to world peace.

I'm trembling because it's absolutely bloody freezing the UK here today, but what's your reason? Seriously, Putin isn't looking to destroy Israel. If he wanted to do that, he probably could. He'd certainly be trying a lot harder. Putin's a streetfighter. He wants to return Russia to the position of world power it had under the USSR and he's prepared to play tough to get there. He wants respect, so it's pretty unwise of Israel to irritate him unnecessarily. He doesn't however want Iranian, or any other form of Islamic militancy running rampant across Asia, or he's got huge problems with the Islamic parts of southern Russia like Chechenya. Israel has to be brave enough to talk now. Skulking at home, avoiding the tough questions isn't an option anymore.

democratically elected. well you're right, it was but so was Mahmoud Abbas of Fatah. As part of his powers is the ability to dissolve the government if it doesn't fulfill it's responsibilities, and he did after Hamas went on a murderous spree through the Gaza Strip. If you're really so concerned about democratically legitimacy how come it doesn't apply to Abbas when he did what the Palestinian law allows him to do. Or does "democratic legitimacy" only apply when it applies to those you support.

zion=eternal war

ajad if they were clerks at the supermarket. but when you're talking to someone who has a very specific plan for your future like Ahmedimanad and judging by Putin's assitance to Iran's nuke factory, it looks like they are of one mind. The fact that Russia is also arming Syria to the nose it's easy to assume that he also has less than friendly intentions for Israel if nothing else to stick his thumb in america's eye. after all he is the Time (last communists on the planet) man of the year. but yes there are those that talking with is dangerous.

never tried to be critical towards your own leadership? You pals never missed a chance to miss a chance... remeber me....Hrry Potter a jew name?

maybe we are lucky and you are the next. or maybe muslim peace is a better way? like in saudi arabia, egypt,... you dont agree then jail or death. i am sure the zionist way which allows you to express yourself freely in a jewish newspaper is the wrong way to behave. so what are you doing here?

are you kidding me russia is helping iran for what peace i dont think so oil there is no oil in isl leave us alone alredy Putin has a great track record with jews remember the big oil tycoon hes gone and anyone who threatens his kgb regime US is only partner we have.

The rest is just a show

The rest is just a show

why should they with all that welfare they can just go on killing forever its zions way

Russians plans to foster Palestinian development by inviting donations to their legally constituted representatives, but the serial criminal malevolent kosher State objects to this kind of arrangments. Sionist thugs are afraid that Syria and Lebanon would be included in the process. What exactly are these serial killers afraid of ? Didn't they left in their last absolutely illegal and criminal killing adventude millions of personal mines in Lebanon ? This very badly devised rabbinical State is failed to doom. Not by some external ennemies but by their own kosheristic ennemies from within. Time is rapidly playing against this unsociable country. Knowledged and well-instructed Israeli are fleeing their sinking ship. Putin the Great has set up agencies throughout G-d given piece of other's land to call back Russian jews home. And it seems that it is working. So if israelis and jews from abroad refuse to support sionist territorial ambitions, who else will dot it? Ron Paul knows this.

"talking can be dangerous. remember what happened to Eve when she started a conversation with the snake before she knew it, she and her husband and all their descedents were living in hell." How do you get through the day without talking Trembling Palestine? How do you do your shopping? After all, the person serving might be a snake in disguise. Do you just point? Come off it mate, if you want to avoid peace talks and Putin, you'll have to come up with a better one than that.

I pray each day for the "Peace of Jerusalem". There will be a day when Russia and the world will come against Israel and G-D shall destroy those nation's. Vladimir Putin sure looks angry and bitter in that picture you used and as Russia slowly works back to it's old ways.

Mr. #11. You are not Russian! Ask any Russian. You must be deaf and blind.

Eve when she started a conversation with the snake before she knew it, she and her husband and all their descedents were living in hell. so the "just talk" crowd is stupid and should be ignored. you don't need to talk to snakes whether they wear russian or islamic or liberal democratic costumes. use you head to guard your heart and heartland

OOPPSS! I forgot to answer your questions "1. How many Russina "Jews" live in Israel?" Answer:Well over a million "2. How many miserable Russian Jews live in Israel below the poverty line?" Answer: To many, but far less then Russians living under poverty line in Russia. I wish we could sell nuclear power stations to the Arab world as your beloved Russia does.Then we would make a fortune.. "3. How many Russian Jews have left Israel to Canada and the US?" Answer: About 99% more than choosed to return to your belowed Russia. 4. HOw long are we to keep arrogance as our trade mark? Answer: Hahaha, a good question. I give you a point here...

My dear Jewish friend, as you are a Jew, I ask you to send this prayer to as many Jews as you can in Russia. Perhaps bring it to your Synagogue in Moscow on Shabat. And perhaps you can translate it to me, as my Hebrew is very bad. אבינו שבשמים תשמור על גלעד שליט החייל החטוף למען ילדיך אהובים שאתה אוהב. תשמור עליו מכל צרה ומכל פגע בבקשה אלוהים תחזיר אותו הביתה בריא ושלם . אנחנו בניך מבקשים תשמור עליו... Nishtamea Dovale

you can not be trusted, ever, just like the self-righteous bastard Putin. I am happy that Israel told Russia off.

To answer your question, as to who pays for the training and spare parts (US.3.00) for every US.1.00 spent on US Weaponary, the Israeli Tax Payer,. Dude! That is why Israel wanted a freeze in 1991 on all arms sales to the middle east.It·s very bad economics. Furthermore in case you don·t know, Israel has the highest GDP in the M.E., is the fourth largest arms exporter in the world and is the 20 th richest country on planet earth.

pete the dollar has lost 25%of its value in a year the canadian $ exceeds the us dollar ! the us debt is in the region of 15trillion $$ get acopy of the wall street journal every day and stop writing crap !!

Thank you for your superb postings... Do not worry for us Israelis. We are not fools on the hill. I see this talkback as an excellent way to improve my English... No one will ever here convince anyone in any direction... Brant, come to Israel, Eilat and enjoy the lovely weather The Read Sea, perhaps a trip to our nice neighbor in Aqaba. Israel is a great country and and indeed it's a Jewish state...

I am more Jewish than you will weever be. But call me a smart Jew who has loyalty to the land. You and your likes continute to miss the point. So tell me: 1. How many Russina "Jews" live in Israel? 2. How many miserable Russian Jews live in Israel below the poverty line? 3. How many Russian Jews have left Israel to Canada and the US? 4. HOw long are we to keep arrogance as our trade mark? Now, I will let the readers determine who is real Jew. Happy Chanukah although it is over. Shalom. N.

No Sir-eee, You got your facts wrong. You are stealing our tax money with a cover from our law makers that we will be sending to Jial. Things are changing buddy. Leave our money alone and go do whatever you want to do in the Middle East. Cry Wolf.

And who pays the three dollars? Us Mr. Geneve. The US Tax payers.

While Putin "revamps" the fragile Russian constitution simply to stay in power; while Lavrov makes clear each day that Russia will veto Iran sanctions ane keep giving it nuclear stuff in exchange for oil; while Indrajaya writes stupidly naive nonsense about Kasparov, Israel has every reason to say no to the wolf in wolf's clothing. What the hell right do all these foreign countries have to impose solutions? Why should a single Israeli trust the EU interpretation of what the Palestinians are REALLY thinking when Israel sees each day what they are ACTUALLY doing and saying. If the Russians want to have credibility; they need to start talking out of just ONE side of their (loud) mouth.

My dear friend Russian Jew. Hanukka is over, but that you don't know. Go to Niewski prospect and tell everyone that you are a Jew proud of being a Russian. The Pamjat will come within an hour and tell you who you really are. We have over a million Russian Jews here in Israel. We know how the Jews lives on a low profile in Russia. During the 70s and the 80s, I was in Russia on 5 occasions to help the Jews out. As I doubt you are a Jew at all, I wish you a Merry Christmas!

Israel would be ready for Moscow peace summit if KASPAROV is a president of Russia.

the external us foreign debt man woman and child is standing at$50,000 each! the us largesse is supplied not by the us taxpayers but all those unfortunate holders of the ever decreasing $! to follow nutullie is to enter bedlam willingly !

The so called American Taxpayers money is almost used entirely for the purchase of American Arms. In simpler tones, the U.S.Taxpayer is subsidizing American Arms suppliers. Secondly, the American Arms suppliers have to meet massive orders from the Oil Rich Arab States, since they have to keep up with the Joneses. What most people don·t know is that for every dollar spent on sophisticated American weapons, Israel spends three dollars for training its troops.Israel did try in 1991 to put a halt to this aid, however the U.S.Government did not allow it to go through.

and how many jews left russia in the last130 years? no youre just an ignorant idiot !

.......and you forgot that the UN boss is an appointee of John Bolton, a self hating Neo-Con and the EU, is trying to go along so the US sinks further internationally, and never mind about the clueless Bush and his fashin model that sits in Foggy Bottom.

Happy Hanukah Ovadia, Russia is a player on the international scene and will always be. What makes you think tha President Putin is a puppet like others to follow the instructions of AIPAC, which as a Jewish person, I beleive is an organization that is harming Israel and the United States. The vast majority of us Russian Jews, while we are proud of who we are, we are Russians first. Now call me a self hating Jew, or anti-Semite? This is becoming an old game that is really making the world hate us.

As always, Natalie's analysis describe the truth, as is. Poor us the US tax payers and slaves

If it wasn·t for Israel, the American intrests in the Middle East, would be laughable. The only bastion of democracy in the middle east is Israel. Without Israel, America·s image inthe middle east would be same it has in South America,Central America, Africa, South East Asia...yes remember the "ugly American". Israel has many backdoors open in the middle east, you better believe it, cause I was there! American Taxpayers,? Don·t get it. What is this some charity thing you talk about.? Please explain how much money the American Taxpayer has to fork out every year.

Israel does not want peace. This is very clear considering Israel's behaviours in the occupied territories. Israel wants the the entire region, not only one peace, but many peices the way it destroyed Palstenian lands.

Deploying antimissile systems in Czech Republic and Poland against Iran is an "act of war" against Russia in Putin view. But Iranian (who declares their wish to destroy Israel) nuclear reactors are OK and he's helping them! And this is only one of his ugly faces! He's the last one who should be involved in Middle East peace process.

Israel's pissed off with Russia, nah, nah, nah nah nah nah... So it tells the US, the EU that they wont go to the party and they better tell putinsky to butinsky out! The very idea, the idea, that Israel might be compelled to aattend, though, well, that is really just too much to bear! What chutzpah these countries have! They could stand to learn a little humility from Israel.

If (Ras)Putin wants to be the new power player in the international arena he has to prove it to Israel: you cannot ship uranium to Iran AND have Iran running a terrorist army in Lebanon at the same time, and get anything from us. If (Ras)Putin wants to focus the peace spotlight on the Middle East, Israel will focus the spotlight on Russia's nuclear assistance to Iran, and by proxy, its terror army Hizbullah. Would (Ras)Putin be so glib if Israel began shipping radioactive materials to Chechnia?

American taxpayers pay billions of dollars every year to buy weapons for Israel to use upon her Arab neighbors. In exchange, Islamic terrorists target Americans and American interests world wide. This seems to make perfect sense to Israel and America, but not so for the rest of the world. For this reason, Israel prefers to always use America as an arbitrator rather than Russia.

why not meet in russia open talks and perhaps gaps can be closed rather than widened. sluff off the russian request and that may motivate them to further assist iran out of spite. it may sound far fetched but it is what it is. russia is a big player in asia and should be taken seriously by israel. perhaps israel wants nothing to do with the moscow summit because it doesn't want to make any real concesions; as that would be apparent due to the fact that the USA isn't hosting or leading the conference.

Vladimir Putin wishes to be a "National Leader" after consolidating power with his United Russia Party. He is setting the stage as a new world statesman to the likes of his peers. One must take into account that he can be a partner in issues such as Iran. Israel must take every oppurtunity in the ever twisting road of International Politics.

It's a peace conference! Turn up and talk peace seriously. It's not a Putin popularity poll. If the Arabs can turn up to something hosted by Bush, the most hated man in the Muslim world, I think Israel can take a risk on sharing a room with Putin. Or is Israel not seriously interested in peace? Would Olmert and co. rather twist and squirm and try to avoid being put in a position where they'll finally have to confront their own Jewhadi faction in the west Bank settlements?