Israel's U.S. envoy: Obama peace plan unrealistic

To duly declare the State of PALESTINE on the occupied territory up to the 67 Borders. Cannot understand the meaning of Mr Oren, when he said"We know by EXPERINCE that state-making takes a long time." He forgot that Mr Ben Gurion declare Israel's Independence in may 1948, he did not wait 42 years, as the Palestinians are now waiting. All the Palestinians are doing is TALKING ENDLESSLY while the OCCUPIED TERRITORIES are being Illegally swallowed.

Israel have to make peace with the Arabs, the Islamic countries, which are mostly Sunni Muslims. So,as the saying go "if you can't beat them JOIN THEM" is the way forward. The created homeland for the Jews in Israel is in a warring neighborhood,it is better to be friendly with your neighbors,than being in conflict with them.It is more beneficial to us. Let us be fair, we did not have a land, we were given 55% of Palestine, now the Palestinians (inc. HAMAS) accepting for us to have 78%, so we should be greatful to them. Having whole of the cake (100%) can only bring our demise as a JEWISH STATE. WE all know What a BINATIONAL STATE mean to us. So Mr PM go for the Negociating table NOW rather than waiting for Pres. ABBAS going to the United Nations for their legal share of PALESTINE MANDATE., which is 45%, so let them creat their State on the 22% they are asking. FAIR is FAIR

when the moon is changing direction. Seriously, Israel has another 10 months to create a big conflict that will bring about a rift with USA. The reason being that after the November midterm election, Mr. Obama will have a diminished represention power in the Congress, and have hard time to advance his agenda, internal as well as external which in his case basecally are complementary. President Obama will see his power clipped and his frustration soaring, especially against Israel. The mood of the American public opinion will be such inemical to various Obama initiatives, that will divide it. Here, Israel should take steps to promote the emergence of Chinese importance in the international arena, to diffuse any possible mishap by the American Admiinistration, as it certainly will happen because it will require the financial need of the Saudis, to stop the Dollar decline and the economical slowdown producing more unemoplyment. Under pressure from his constituency,Israelwillhavetopay

with a No Matter Basis! Israel will rush into negotiations and finalize a peace treaty. This thing about Israel suggesting that it would counter it by building more on occupied lands, confiscating and annexing - is a thing of the past which will be flatly called illegal and will just increase all kinds of world pressure on Israel, including from many world Jewry organizations and Billions of people hitting the streets in every single country. Palestine would be swiftly recognized by more nations than Israel. In brief, the ball is in Israel's camp! Oren, and his boss' boss know it! The guy in between them lives in lala land.

Pre 1967 borders bring settlements into the discussion. Egypt, Syria and Jordan tried to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Face it and reconcile yourselves to the truth. Israel should not give one millimter of ground won with blood. I don't want to discuss pre 1967 borders. Israel should take the entire West Bank.

62 Years is such a short period!

Take the issue to the Security Council and issue a binding resolution forcing peace on both sides based on the Saudi Peace Plan. If one side objects or cheats, complete and total trade embargo. Problem solved. This is what is going to happen real soon...

Obama has even less interest in the Middle East than Netanyahu. Obama is worried about a)leaving office in one piece and b)not upsetting the apple cart that he is riding on.

Muslims started the holy war. Not US or UK. The US and UK are forced to respond to infatadah. You started it. US and Israel will stand together and will unfortunately hurt many innocent people until one side or the other gives in

If it means giving up an inch of land, Israel doesn't want peace, ever. Just remember: Live by the sword, die by the sword.

about peace it could play some cards. The Pals have nothing to give. Israel has taken away everything from them including their dignity. The cards that Israel must play include: immediate withdrawal from all illegal settlements (especially from those build on sites of razed Pal villages); end of the occupation; all troops behind the Green Line; candid admission of having nuclear weapons. Then and only then should peace negotiations start. Anything less is wasted time and dangerous for the US, just as it has been for 50 years. Oh, yes, Israel stop meddling in US affairs (via AIPAC, spies, etc.)

no Palestinian state can be formed or negotiated with until Hamas and the PA reconcile their differences. There is no one on the Palestinian side that can speak for and bind into an agreement a two state solution. Therefore the reconcialiation of Hamas and the PA are a prerequisite to any negotiations.

Why should the arab states allow Israel to fly over their countries? When Israel wont allow the Palestinians to build an airport in the West Bank, destroyed the airport in Gaza, and basically forces Palestinians of US nationality to fly into Jordan or Eygpt to visit their families. You get Israel to agree to that before asking Obama to pressure the Arabs. This is coming from a Puerto Rican with no stake in either side.

The CIA recently estimated that Israel has over 32,000 nuclear warheads. Iran has stated time and again it peaceful nuclear program. What is peaceful about 32,000 bombs?

"State making takes a long time". When did the clock start on the making of a Palestinian state? We want to know how many more years of bloodshed and war we can expect. Of course state making will take even longer (and be more bloody) when only one side is committed to the making of that state. BTW, when did "state making" for the state of Israel begin?

Israel's ambassador to Washington, Michael Oren, deemed U.S. special Mideast envoy George Mitchell's vision of peace within two years an "unrealistic goal". I don't know whether to laugh or cry. For 60 years, Israel and the pals have managed to avoid peace because they hate each other more than they want peace. As long as these attitudes persist on either side, peace won't be achieved in a thousand years, much less two.

The U.S. needs Israel more than Israel needs the U.S., actually. Obama has a track record of creating virtually nothing. He consistently tries to impose an idealistic, divisive agenda, only to cause an uproar that forces him to pull back and then "re-frame" his agenda to save face. The Palestinians are years and years and years away from forming any true "state." They are a divided people who have a good probability of either incurring a civil war with Hamas or being taken over by Hamas in the West Bank. Israel will NEVER permit more terror groups on its doorstep. The PALS will have to abandon any notion of a capital in Jerusalem, a move that would result in terror for the city as the radical elements continue their agenda to ultimately destroy Israel. Right now, Israel needs firm warriors at the helm and to deflect the imposition of plans for its future by outside entities--PARTICULARLY OBAMA, whose past is ridden with associations with Jew/Israel bashers and haters. Its true.

Mr. Oren would have said the same about "20" years. You guys don't want peace.

Thank you Natalie. You hit nail on the head.

yes we can divide this country nort america and south america and a Palestinian america country on this continent three parts Obama and Mitchell agree

That is the prevailing thought among the conciliators. Israel earned those borders with blood and must keep them. Appeasement might buy temporary peace. A settlement here or there and a few checkpoints removed. Israel must decide how far it will push the world community. Hillary Clinton is on your side if you will listen. I hope America always backs Israel but you guys make it hard.

Any plan which would have Arabs remaining in Judea and Samaria is unrealistic.

Should our president be judged by Sharia law as was the sheik of Abu Dhabi? Shameful. Case closed

I ususally have "other view" on all comments. Not this time.

Anyone that thinks they can cede Judah for an Arab handshake is in for civil war. Real War. The Arabs are naming streets for Jewkillers and the Left wants to make nice. Forget it. Remember, Jerusalem was the capital of Judah before it was the capital of Israel. Young Jews know the Land is theirs.

For years, decades, Israel's mantra was: we do what we do for security and nothing more. We long for peace and are saddened that we have no partner. Well, that is today seen for what it is; a cover for their real intentions which are verifiable by their constant redefinition of their agreements with the international community and their continuing theft of land and entrenchment of occupation. Israel wants one thing and that is not peace. They want land, the want to estblish demographic facts on that stolen land and do it as quickly as possible so there will be no possibility of return. It is a rgime that ithrives on being aggressive, threatening and rapacious. It is time for the international community to react with sanctions and boycotts.

Hi Labrat, guess the pubs are closed and you can now devote your massive intelligence to solving the worlds problems. Blair is a war criminal, Bush is a war criminal, Israeli leaders are war criminals - interesting no mention of any of the Hamas, Hezbollah or Iranian folk. Guess in your mind Islamofascists are exempt - bit of your Irish tolerance for fascism showing Labrat?

Wow, with an offer on the table to get their first nation the Pals can't even come to the table and talk face to face. That says it all!!! They would rather whine about settlements and anything else they can think of than actually talk about getting a country. Israel having made the biggest concessions agreeing to the two-state solution, accepting the Pals as a separate entity and already defining approximately 95% of what will be Palestine. Remember their money gets cut off from countries like Iran and Syria if they make peace. Hamas has already stated they will NOT honor ANY agreement the PA makes, and Hamas was the elected government and have recently stated they still do not recognize Israel's "right to exist".

I must agree; peace is hopeless as long as Israel continues not to want it. Israel's strategy seems to continue occupation, continue settlement expansion, continue destruction of arab homes in east Jerusalem; continue denigration of its arab population in the hopes of driving them out; continue ignoring all morality in the name of expansion. With no one to stop them, this will continue

The US adminstration regrets that Israel continues to be in violation of its commitments to our government and the international community. Israel is consistently breaking down their commitment to a freeze of settlement activity and has lined it with so many exceptinal clauses that it is virtually inoperable. The US is committed to a two state solution and that this goa must be achieved within two years. Final status questions must be discussed and solutions achieved. Isrel is in defiance of what is expected of its as a party to the conflict. Its recent actions on the ground are not encouraging. As a result we have no other opton than to cease all funds directed to a government that violates the stipulations layed down for receiving those funds. We are firmly commited to maintin the security of Israel but we cannot tolerate every agreement being violated and the governments frantic attempts to bring about irreversible demographic and geographic changes on the ground.

and a war criminal so get him first then we can get the Israeli war criminals---and there plenty to choose from. I would really like to get Bush in chains---but that coward is not likely to suface in public for some time.

Time to ignore Israel anddeclear Pal. state in 67 borders and let Israel deal with it from there.

"We know from our experience that state-making takes a long time," (Oren) added. Utter nonsense. Most states take a lot less that 42 years.

Hamas denies the existence of Israel. No amount of useless talk can change that.

Natalie has summed it up well. I think the two state solution has eroded away with the settlements and the emergence of Hamas and the inability of anyone to eliminate them in Gaza. The three state solution might work. Let Hamas prove they can face off against the world and win.

he cant convince the arabs to let Israel to use their air space for a flyover

If Obama cannot even get Israel to stop settlement construction, including east Jerusalem, for a few months, then there is no point in beginning. He will only fail, as all before him have done. We have had a lot of peace plans and several peace prizes awarded, but we have no peace and have never even been close. The peace agreements between Israel, Egypt, and Jordan are a product of American annual payments. Israel profits by avoiding peace and has been made into a monster by America. America deserved most of the credit for Israels inequities.

Like all the Arab "neighbors" are going to have full diplomatic relations with Israel and sign on to real peace? The only problem is that it will be a farce, and Israel will be forced to sign on to it, but the Arabs will revert to form.

This is the only reasonalbe, right, and secure course for Israel to take. Make peace with all Arab neighboring countries and Palestinians. The Regional approach is important because the threats are now regional. The Iran threat and the Shi'i threat. Affects the Arab countries as well as Israel. For that reason only, Israel must look at the geo-politics in this new light.