Israel's U.S. envoy: 'No one can force us to make peace'

Being reliable of course withut a doubt. We have known for a long time the crux of the matter.i.e being not the occupation,not their so-caled suffering (NOT)but their ulterior motive that has not changed an iota. And Obama is playing HIDE AND SEEK or playing Blind man's BUFF.

Or am I seeing double here.What I have discovered is:That you are none other than: Sami Jamil Jadallah? I travel in all the websites,and read the bloggs.And who do I see? I named it a above for you. I knew you were an Arab/Muslim without a doubt and now I am certain.

What he and his have done more than anyone else before, is to fully expose, for all the world to see, Israel's activities, the scope of its intentions, and some of the ploys and guises used to avoid and deflect attention. And now, since eyes once opened are not likely to close again, Israel's only recourse to change the world's perception, is to change the underlying policies that have affected it. Once a truth is known, it remains known no matter how much deception is used to bury it. A new government might be more amenable, but only an end to Israel's occupations and its settlement policy can change its status as the "villain". Thank you, Mr Netanyahu & company.

...all of a sudden they can see the truth, all of a sudden the nationalist zionist game of 60 years is transparent to them... It just makes me sick to think it was so easy all this time for people to recognize the truth... and I realize that I admired the west when I thought it was smart, though I hated that it could be so unjust with truth (how can smart be unjust I thought?) now I know all this time it is just that they were stupid

...all of a sudden they can see the truth, all of a sudden the nationalist zionist game of 60 years is transparent to them... It just makes me sick to think it was so easy all this time for people to recognize the truth... and I realize that I admired the west when I thought it was smart, though I hated that it could be so unjust with truth (how can smart be unjust I thought?) now I know all this time it is just that they were stupid

The very so-called Israel's peace partner Abbas names a square to one of the most dreadful terrorist who murdered so many? If this is a surprise then more deep thinking is applicable. Apart from the fact Abbas has his own terror group AL AKSA MARTYRS BRIGADE shows there will never be peace,nor will there ever be Pal' state EVER. Methinks it is purposely done,because they are afraid of taking responsibility to FREEDOM. So used to others in the world trying it for them,they have become not only used to it,but innured to acceptance as their right. Easy ain't it?I wouldn't mind someone taking all the responsibility from my shoulders too.

This morning, the doha debates were on....there was a panel of 4.....2 on the hamas side, and 2 on the PA side... The only discussion taking place, is how best to get rid of ALL of israel...this is not about gaza and WB, it is about israel INSIDE the green line...israel rightly knows what they are facing...the people here on haarets and elsewhere around the world who THINK this code word "occupation" is about gaza and west bank are either delusional, ill informed, ignorant or anti semitic. It IS that simple. All of you who deny this with this excuse or that excuse simply are avoiding the truth, as time and time again is laid bare from the mouths of the PA, HAMAS, the lebanese, the syrians, the iranians, the saudis etc... What a disgrace the arabs are and by defacto, Obama. Obama KNOWS that the arabs at large are not talking about WB and Gaza, nor about golan or shaaba farms...HE KNOWS and yet he won't come out and say to the arabs, until you accept Israel even INSIDE the green line, we will not engage in a false peace process, and not only that, but we will strengthen israel and strengthen her security. Nabil shaath and abdullah abdullah are on the PA side of this farce called a debate in doha..and BOTH of them are for taking down all of israel. This is the so called moderate side of the palestinians....what they want is perfectly crystal clear. It is a complete joke...if you ask me, israel is being pushed into a false peace, KNOWING that this is a trojan horse. Obama is a real disgrace. He is very consciously using the rise of global anti semitism to push forward with geopolitical realignment and appeasement of the oil rich arabs. I dont call that leadership, I dont call it honest, I dont call it fair, what I do call it is dangerous. Who is the president who will knowingly sacrifice one of his best friends for oil....??? is this what america now stands for? lying? racism? It is PLAIN TO SEE....obama is clearly a weak preisdent who in fact, is more indebted to saudi arabia and their oil that bush ever was...and yet out of the other side of his mouth he says he wants energy independance! I mean, come on, has no one figured out this man? It is just disgusting. He can go to copenhagen to pitch for the olympics but he has no time to go to his best friend israel where the need to address real global peace is so vital...he is supposed to be all about unifying and healing, yet he cant go to israel to speak about the falsehood of anti semitism? he sends a clown like biden but doesn't go himself? that tells you much ......israelis have bled and died to PROTECT universally held values of freedom and tolerance, supposedly american values but obama can't now support these universal values? If the arabs want peace, it's about recognizing israel for now and forever, as a JEWISH HOMELAND, SOVEREIGN, LEGITIMATE. All this other fluff is bullshyte. The whole notion of occupation is a canard...if you ask me, israel should say to obama, Mr. President, unless you come out and speak the truth, we are not interested in one more day of these farcical negotiations. This is not about 1967, it is only about 1948.

Read the book,"Islam and Terrorism" [2002] by Mark A. Gabriel, PhD for yourself. Mark A. Gabriel, PhD grew up in an Islamist-Jihadist home. A brilliant man, at 12, he memorized the Koran. He graduated second in a class of 6000 students for his undergraduate degree at Al Azhar University, Cairo, Egypt. He also earned his PhD in Islamic History from Al Azhar University. For a while, he served as Professor of Islamic History at Al Azhar University and as Imam of a Mosque at Giza, before leaving Islam and becoming a Christian. He has written other books which you can google. He is an Expert on Islam and Islamic History.

You deliberately, I presume, quote Rahman out of context, and obviously know nothing or deliberately distort and attempt to deceive with your charges about the Koran. But perhaps Zionofascist need to do that to justify the teachings of Judaism. To wit: In June 2009, Hasidic Rabbi Manis Friedman called on Israelis to kill Palestinian men, women, children and cattle: destroy their holy sites. And, according to the Talmud, Jews ignore orders of Rabbis at their own peril. Because the Talmud says, "Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell." Radical Islamic terrorism is not an Issue for Israel. Al Qaeda and its off-shoot elements do not attack Israel. It is the West and allied Arab states who are fighting that war on terrorism: not Israel.

"IF a couple of.. cannot live with each other in the same place, then they must live apart, in seperation (NOT with Walls or fences). instead of"No one can force us to make Peace"

free palestine or your standing in the world will worst

Ashif do not waste you time explaining to those who do not have the capability to understand. They are little people with very small minds. Frankly I'm surprised they even have the ability to write if one can call it that.

...as Zan at #146 said below. That will be it for a long, long time to come, if not forever; anyway, for whatever time Netanyahu and his two beloved partners will continue to "reign"...

What difference does it make whether Netanyahu did indeed personally know or not? It's his ultimate decision to end settlements, and his government's policy of continued expansion led to this. Stop apologising, and stop playing the victim. You are the villlains now, and the world is beginning finally to realise.

Oren is right. Peace cannot be forced on anyone. The Islamist-Jihadists need to know the Prince of Peace to appreciate peace. Unfortunately, as Islamist-Jihadist scholar, Omar Abdel Rahman, points out, "There is no surah called 'Peace.' Jihad and killing are the head of Islam. If you take them out, you cut off the head of Islam." (p.24, "Islam and Terrorism" [2002] by Mark A. Gabriel, PhD) This is the problem in the Middle East conflict and other conflicts around the world where Islamist-Jihadists continue to crusade their Jihadism. (See www.thereligionofpeace.com)

Was more than likely a civil service appointee left over from the prior l;eftist administrations working under instructions from Kadima who are working for Obama.

I read both your posts and you make a lot of sense. My post on declaring a Pal state was simply a followup on Pal PM Fayyads proposal of 6 months ago proposing , after the creation of the necessary infrastructure, declaring a state IF Israel does not negotiate in good faith. His argument has been Israel is always willing to enter into talks as long as there is something the Pals will not be able to accept. Then Israel says" we offered them 98% of what they asked and they refused. What can we do?" A new administration comes in and everything stsrts over again. Fayyads position is to force honest negotiations through fear of a unilateral declaration. Pratraeus is already talking about a "military umbrella" to protect Pals from Israeli agression and I assume vice versus.

"Mr. Obama, forcing us to make concessions to the PA won`t work,..." Well how about if we take the $3 billion given to your military junta government every year and rebuild Palestine? Would that work?

And in case you're as oblivious as your government, rumblings to that affect are starting to be heard from all over the western world.

it was o.k when the world gave you israel, but it's not o.k for you to make peace, and your remark just goes to show all people that you think your above anyones laws and that includes gods.

Shalom,Just one more thing Remember when America had a REAL President and Vise-President and Secretary of State and we actually did most things the right way.When you came to America you became American by changing to what Americans believe and not trying to change it to be like the rest of the world.

If it does not profit to think of this reationship in terms of 'being forced to the altar', why not think of it in terms of an amicable divorce, or an amicable breaking of a long betrothal? Lisa

You may not be able to force someone to fall in love, but you can force them not to break into your house or take your car. You may not be able to force them not to want to, but you can control the result. Object of example..a wall.

After all, what the Int'l community can (and should) do is to lean on Israel to force the IDF to withdraw from territory occupied in the Six Day War. At which point the Pals will declare their state, and every country in the world (bar one, of course) will recognize it. Memo to Oren: Nobody will then CARE if Israel sulks in the corner. Any more than they care that there still is no peace treaty between Iraq and Kuwait, nor between Serbia and Bosnia.

Even Congress chewed O out on that one. Totally amateur and lacking diplomatic skill.

I promised myself to stop paying attention to your comments but one small correction. The US is not occupying Cuba(except for Guantanamo leased base) and similarly. My own belief is that sanctions and restrictions against Cuba are without merit.

The only "peace" the Pals have in store for Israeli Jews is "Peace", as in "Rest in Peace".

Oren thanks for finally coming clean! PEACE is expansionist Israels biggest enemy and deep down EVERYONE knows it......PEACE NEVER?

miseries and slaveries of dhimmitude under Int'l Sharia Law as coerced upon the U.N by the far Left interests cooperating with the OIC-Arab League interests .

No one can force you to peace....but after 62 years of growing tensions, killings and wars it would be nice if all involved honestly tried.....Clive

So the history of the last twenty years demonstrates. Israel can indeed prevent peace.

Any attack on Palestine or Israel will be considered an attack on the United States.

What Oren says is absolutely correct. A fully sovereign State is not obliged to accept a strongly suggested peace plan from its only friend and ally much less anyone else. And that only friend and ally is not obliged to continue giving that fully sovereign State $2.5 billion annually. It also is not obliged to continue giving that fully sovereign State blanket support at the UNSC and the sharing of defense strategies and weapon technologies.

He who didn,t know that the Israeli Government doesnot seek peace is a naive person to say the least.As a matter of fact most israeli govts. have found a way to avoid a peaceful solution . Israel was accepted at the U.N in 1949 under three main conditions:A. To accept the partition plan that gave her 56.5% of historic Palestine. B. To Allow the palestinian refugees go back to their homes and C. To treat the minorities living in Israel or the 56.5% fairly and wihout any discriminations. Israel has failed to meet any UN resolution regarding these conditions . On the contrary, we all know that Israel was established on 78% of Palestine and occupied the other 22% 1967.We also know what Mr. Netanyahu thinks of these 22%, he repeatedly claims that it is the land of his forfathers and nobody can prevent him from taking it by force , so what is so strange about Mr oren,s declaratio?

GAZA. Hamas says no deal ever, only a complete destruction of Israel will do. Read their charter. And read Fatah's charter for that matter. There is really very little daylight between Abbas, Haniyeh, and Arafat. Obama is new at all this. He means well.

I acknowledge the issue of limited water. The Jews and Arabs share much of the same water resources. If a lack of water will stunt Jewish population growth it will also stunt Arab population growth and both will be affected. I believe Israel will figure out this problem and come up with a solution. It might be through solar desalinization technology or building a canal from Eilat to the Dead Sea to alter the enviroment. I`ve been some of the remotest places in Israel and can tell you there still plenty of places for future growth. What Israel did to this once desolate land is a miracle in it`s self. Israeli`s are very smart when it comes making the earth bloom in places it normaly wouldn`t. This too is part of the reason for Arab jealousy and hatred.

and stop forcing congress to work for Israel and calling it a "Special relationship", stop forcing America to arm you....then build all the settlements you want.

Israeli hubris and chutzpah leads Oren to lie about the source of the building announcement and pretend that Israel's current leaders have even a slight interest in a peace agreement. They don't. But they can still get out of Occupied West bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem without marrying the Palestinians.

And in case you're as oblivious as your government, rumblings to that affect are starting to be heard from all over the western world.

"what is the position of Israel?" - Moyu That was the beauty of Mr. Oren's eloquence as a diplomat Moyu. The way he presented it Israel's position could be pretty much what ever you wanted to believe it was. Firm against pressure, willing to negotiate, and impossible to pin down. Given the rampant ineptness of the Government of Israel's leaders Mr. Oren was a breath of fresh air.

Surely, Israel will "understand that" as soon as the other aid recipients, the Pals, start to obey orders too - like stop the incitement, the terrorism and misappropriation of the aid. And of course, the recognition of the State of Israel will go such a long way in balancing the equation between the two recipients. Actually Swiss, the Pals are the ones holding back everything because they are the ones who want from the river to the sea and since they are working doggedly towards that goal, it really does not make sense for them to recognize a country they intend to destroy. I am sure you will agree with that, at the very least.

the logic is twisted. No one is asking the Israelis to fall in love with the Palestinians, Syrians, Lebanese...etc. What the world has been asking them for 60 years is to stop stealing their lands, waters, freedom, and lives. To that, the analogy that should apply is you can't force people to fall in love but any civilized society has rules to keep people from stealing lands and killing civilians.

When will israel stop depending on handouts and go on expecting that is will keep coming? Its like aid in africa, as long as it keeps flowing in, they will never stand on their own two feet to do something for themselves. Get with the program! And stop living with this illusion of entitlement... Peace is something to strive towards, not viewed upon as something forcibly forced down your throats.

I'm afraid you're wrong Mr.ambassador.Someone will and must force it on you and the palestineans.It seems to me that neither of you is capable of reaching a peace treaty.Rest assured,someone will definitely force it on you.

..Everybody knows making peace is easier than falling in love. Making peace is an act of the mind with specific benefits. One rationalizes that decision, weighting the pros and cons of peace versus the current situation. Making love comes from cupid..something external..many times leads to a bad choice.

PEACE ? If you're realistic: in 100 years. If you're pessimistic: in 150 years.

Oren is right. Peace cannot be forced upon any party. It has to come from the heart, mind and soul of both sides that they want to live in peace. So long as one party is brainwashing and manipulating a third party to do their dirty work of forcing the other party to give in to their demands which infringe on the historical land and national security interests of the other party, peace can never be achieved.

and help a deal get made on division of assets so both sides can go on with their lives. After the divorce, you're welcome to be friends as some ex's do in the modern world.

The forceful love analogy... is not accurate. This was simply an off-the-cuff description by Michael Oren... who happens to be an incredibly intelligent statesman. During the interview with Charley Rose... Mr. Oren actually described in great detail, the necessity to move quickly to the proximity talks with Abbas... and that will be the crux of the problem. It seems to me, that Abbas needs to demonstrate to the 'Palestinian Street' his strong defiance to Israeli West Bank policy. Settlements, removal of security road-blocks and all the rest. And this may prove to be a handicap in reaching some kind of an arrangement between the two sides.

who US or zio-land? sorry george zio land has enough for 2 days and cant exist for longer w/o US aid...bye the bye? why are you in my country?

So, is this proof that Israel does not want peace?

Mr Oren , we don't want you and don't want force you to fall in love we want you just to follow the international rule of law and act like most of the good nations of the earth , especially when you are always asking for all the countries in the region to accept you , it is not enough just to ask for peace in words , actions are a number criteria for that ......,

I guess that's a "wrap" as they say in the picture business. It was always there. The wall will be finished, we will take what land we want, maybe all eventually. For those of us who spent a lifetime building something, or we thought, something, in this land, we now see it slipping out of our hands; given to those who do not have to work for it, are almost totally subsidized by us, and oh yes, whose religios "beliefs" prevent them from serving in the IDF. What a mess Bibi has given us.

....did you or your boss Leiberman come up with this gem? Please spare us, neither falling in love, nor an arranged marriage with you is what the Palestinians will be able to stomach. You say: "If we arrive at points where we can't agree, we can't close the gap between us, then we - both the Israelis and the Palestinians as well - are willing to look at various bridging formulas". Someone needs to let the esteemed envoy know that he has been brutally OCCUPYING the Palestinians and their land since 1967 and that's a mighty huge gap that needs to be closed immediately. Occupiers throughout history have to be forced to make peace.

then, go home and leave the palestinian people in the west bank live their lives without the oppression of an occupying people who are bent on stealing their land. the quartet are kindly offering their help, but you refuse because you can't contain your greed.

International troops have to take over the occupied lands after distroying Israel military capability. At present Israel's powerful military capability makes them say and do whatever they want.

good luck...

oh really? with canuke dollars? you cant even afford your own true country isreal and live in canada but you can solve it...how bout w/o my tax dollars? seems you have an identity crisis

the logic of your argument would suggest that this is a race to the bottom of the cesspit, the only saving grace being 'you see, you see, we're not as bad as them so we are completely justified in everthing and anything we choose to do, because there is always someone worse than us' Great argument Mr Sweden.

look up san remo 1920 ! /ottoman empire

Well said and true. Three cheers for you Esther

Israel puts a guy who speaks like American, look like American, but supports settlement, does not give a hoot about peace and shows nothing but arrogance. This is Israel's technique. when IDF invaded Gaza, killing people, they put a cute looking female officer as spokesperson. Hypocrite!

For 62 years how Many reasons Israel had and have for not doing peace with the Palestinians. I can say probably 62 thousand reasons. To make it short Israel does not want peace at all. Wise-up

of course they will take US tax payers hard earned money and complain about it!! duh?

To all you racists including durson, whoever you are, Israel needs not apologize to anyone. As an American Jew it is wrong to order Israel around like a lap dog. The USA should be confronting the nazi state of iran but apparently obamass is too chicken to do that and picks on Israel. To the arab called durson, let the muslims pay back my tax money to bribe them to be peaceful. Billions to the terrorist muslims. Israel build, build and build on our land not the colonialist arabs. Push the arabs back to jordan, just like these animals want to push us into the sea, G-d bless Israel and G-D damn all anti-Israel bigots.

that invaded palestine and stole it for the zio entity and that theift goes on today...it is you the occupier and you the invaders and theives who should appologize and leave...there is no excuse for you and what you did or your arrogance...we should apologize to the invaders and theives...you are self important monsters!! get out!!

As complex and ancient as this struggle is, both sides continually put emotions before logic and reason. You don't want peace? Want to act like children, as you have for so long? Fine. Go ahead and annihilate each other, and THEN see how much you like your bombed-out homeland. What a bunch of idiots.

This person has summed up what the average israelis view is and why there is no peace. He says there will never be peace till jesus comes, you'll be long dead for jesus comes mate. This is the real world we live in now, your religion can not and will not effect the lives of palestinians for much longer. You and your kind of religious extremists will not have power for much longer. You will meet your jesus is the next world soon.

I absolutely agree BUT i wasn't born when/if they were taken over (not even sure on the history tbh) but i don't see British forces using its military might to bomb the crap out of or humiliate the locals because one or two loons are getting cocky with a few home made rockets (because there are non btw!). As a result i don't think Britain are in the limelight on this one. Israel is. So how about we focus on the story at hand eh? So what do you think Israel should do?

Really!

I agree Everyone should walk away and leave Israel alone .We can solve the issue.

your proposal is decent, correct, logical, humane. I support every word. Lets take the South-Africa model as a prospective: a peace commission with a true and honest wish to make peace between two former fighting populations. And yet, Liza, don't forget, that the Arab narrative regrading our common history is quite different from what you wrote. In their eyes, we confiscated and sequestrated their land and there is much truth in this fact. But we cannot repair an injustice with another injustice, therefore we must really fight for a mutual peace treaty between the two people. It will cost the price of compromising, but blood shedding will end and peace prevail for the sake of future generations. I think it's worth doing. Hopefully before it's too late-

you are 1000% right on brother! not only should israel build, build, build in its own land for crying out loud(!), but it should send a BIG KITE to the w.h. with instructions how to go and fly it!

You can take whatever issue you wish with Maret. But you demonstrate great ignorance when you attack Canada. Canada has one of the few secure currencies on the plant. Canada has one of the few truly free and democratic countries on the planet. It is not an ethnocracy or theocracy. It is a trrue liberal democracy.[It does this, while providing additional support and rights to the indigenous population, whose rights are secured in our constitution. It also boasts a city (Vancouver), which is constantly ranked as one of the best cities in the world in which to live. It is a country where I (a person of Muslim heritage), who has negative views of Israel, can be a best man at a jewish wedding and be part of a poker group that is largely composed of Jews who support Israel. Canada is a place where people with different views can not only coexist, but can actually thrive together.

Right

Mr.Oren is absolutely correct. America should butt out and let Isreal solve the problem its own way. It's their country - they re not America's 51st. State. Tell the US to take its foreign aid and stick it. Wehave enough resources to take care of our own.

Nick, Please don't compare Israel to US. Because you'd find it hard to accept some truths. For example, do we let illegal immigrants with terrorist ties have freedoms in US? i don't think so. besides, palestinians don't want just west bank and gaza. they want it all. thats why they chant "from the river to the sea plaestine will be free" well you know what, it makes me laugh when I hear that. instead they'll get nothing! like always!

What does Bibi have to offer?? A great deal, including removal of settlement, road blocks, security walls, and the same level of automomy in the West Bank that Hamas has in Gaza. What does Abbas have to offer?? Absolutely nothing beyond the pleasure of his company at the negotiating table. What does Obama have to offer?? Even less than Abbas. Any guarantee of israeli security comes from congress and the american people. Obama would willingly sacrifice the existence of Israel in order to get applause from his anti-american friends. Hang in their Bibi, sooner or later they will have to be ready to offer quid pro quo. Until then, keep building in Jerusalem.

Sir, Israel's Ambassador to the US is stating what the head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs Mr. A. Lieberman said already yesterday. If Mr. Oren would say something different he would loose his job within 24 hours or even earlier.

This is evidence of how dumb you really are Dino. Of course we have lost all our pride. Would we spend a nano second talking to YOU if we hadn't????

Whether you like it or not this time. My advice: Go along peacefully, or risk being "wiped off the face of the earth" as crazy dinajad says.

Wow Barack, this is it. This is far out man... Why not try emediately North and south Korea, N and S Nigeria, Turks and Armenians, Iran and America. Venezuela America. UK and Falklands, Hutu's and Tutsis. Wow Wow Wow

Although I am not really a Maintenance Man I do Maintain The Truth when this world is lost in it`s stupidity. It would seem rather elitist of you to knock ordinary people doing ordinary work. There is nothing wrong doing any kind of maintenance work unless your an elitist who breathes rarified air. Most of the elitists in this world have no idea of the plight of the ordinary man. Alot of these elitists are the fools who were looking for some kind of hero in Obama. They gave Obama Millions of dollars so they could mortgage there childrens future to China. Many of the Elitist of the world never had put there lives on the line to defend anything yet they wish for Israel to commit suicide. I would rather be a Maintenance Man who lives in truth than a elitist who lives in a cowardly selfish lie at the expense of others. Theres nothing wrong with riches or power as long as it doesn`t corrupt you and make you into something your not.

nor do i...you dont get to vote nor do they furnish you with a clue for an education in the icy north so go play on the ice flows with the polar bear

Yes, exactly why Israel should end the occupation.

....as soon as she will refuse to take the hard earned money from the U.S. taxpayers. But as long as you take their money, but refuse to also take their orders, you come across as incredibly petty, don't you understand that..??? Have you guys really lost all of your pride..???

ther is no sense in that statement, just defiance

Sorry Peter I believe the majority of americans and the world do not believe that the palestinians are capable of governing one inch of land in peace and prosperity. They are not interested in peaceful coexistence with israel. Get real they and the rest of the arabs/muslims only want to destroy israel. The rest of the muslims could not care if the palestinians lived in squalor forever

daughter to marry this lunatic who has a contract on her head, whose background, culture and religion are totally at variance with hers; who is greedily waiting to get his hands on the dowry when he destroys her because he does not even recognize her; who is teaching and encouraging his household to destroy her and her household ? and indeed rejoices when they are attacked. And as papa pushes her towards her funeral, he thinks this is the greatest arrangement ever, because the wedding is a grand occasion for him to shine for one moment in time. Meanwhile, this daughter has to draw on all her wits to deal with this mad situation which she considers as suicidal. Oh dear! The things parents do to get a little fame and publicity. I guess this daughter is dispensable and useful only to the extent that papa thinks that this wedding will be his greatest achievement in life as he thinks it will allow him to be warmly received into that mad household and that may lead to better things for him in the future. Maybe papa has some of the madness of the lunatic groom.

Obama's stint in the White House has been that of meeting one brick wall after another, after ignoring pragmatics and trying to IMPOSE ONE IDEOLOGY after another on the American people. He has alienated Americans with his arrogance and dismissal of their opinions, as if they "just don't understand the wisdom" of his left-wing pronouncements. Obama would DESTROY ISRAEL if possible--this man is so passive and incapable of confrontation when it is CRITICALLY needed (as with Iran) that he consciously chooses non-issues to begin a row that can attempt to show he has any real power at all. Israel is not the ONLY former ally to have been bullied, there are a slew of other nations that have suffered the same treatment from this man. It is critical that Israel maintain its strength, strengthen relationships with other potential allies and hold fast to the cascading demands that would carve up Israel in an attempt to make it more vulnerable to the underlying agenda of its annihilation.

Its Occupation of People and their Land and compensate those refugees it wishes to deprive them from returning to their original homes.

You mean they can force them nee na noo noo? BTW My apologies if you're the fake Natalie Durson. They all seem so dumb it gets hard to tell the difference.

It goes like this: US to Israel: you have six months to vacate every square inch of territory occupied since '67. If not, end of American aid, end of American UN Security Council vetoes, end of blocking the Goldstone Report, and, if you still don't like it: bring on the sanctions. Oh, yes, Mr. Oren: we sure as hell can impose peace.

Oren's mutterings are proof, if indeed proof was needed, that Israel has no intentions to achieve any kind of peaceful settlement. Everlasting occupation - it has now lasted more than 40 years with active support from the US and a nudge-nudge, wink-wink from many EU states - allows Israel continued enslavement, invasion, imprisonment, torture and economic dependency of Palestinians. Only an enforced - from the outside - peace or a one-state solution are possible. Maybe the US finally understands how it has been taken advantage of by its "friend".

It will happen in two years.In the absence of israel's cooperation, the U.S. under general Petraeus will send tropps to secure the Palestinian '67 borders with minor adjustments. It is in our national interest to have a two states living side by side in peace. Israel has no choice but to accept it.

How about freezing all the financial support, I mean stopping all the american taxpayres money flow to Israel? Would that work?

"Israel today is about 70 to 80 % Jewish as it was back in 1948. The demographic myth is just a myth." There's a reason for that. But first, demography is hard. You can reliably predict populations that are already born. After that it's iffy. Demographers are often wrong. Palestinian birthrates have been much higher than Israeli birthrates. Israel temporarily solved that by bringing in a lot of Russians who said they were Jews. That kept Israeli numbers high. But they have low birthrates too. Israel lacks the water to keep increasing the population. There is not enough water for the Jews in Israel, much less nonjewish citizens or Palestinians. You can't keep bringing in more Jews to match the Palestinian growth rate. Unless you take more water from Syria and Jordan, or get cheap desalinization. Give up farming? Turn Israel brown? You can't handle the Arab and Haredi population increase. I don't know what will happen. You don't either. But it's unsustainable. It will change.

Jordan gained control of Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria during the 1948 war with Israel when a Jordanian army, lead by a british officer John Glubb, took control. Jordan lost these lands in 1967 when they launched a further attack, hoping to join the "drive the Jews into the sea" movement. Jews are not allowed to own land in Jordan (it's a capital offense to sell land to a Jew there). And the PA's top officials have laready stated many times that any Palestinian state must be judenrein. There are living, voting and earning a good living in Israel Jews, Muslims and Christians.

why cann't the UN and international community FORCE PEACE on the region ?

what is the position of Israel?

For the anti Israel crowd. There will suddenly be world peace when Israel abandons it own land. Yes Muslim and Hindu`s will kiss and make up over Kashmir.Muslims will stop threatening European cartoonist.Russians and Chechans will cease fighting. Shites and Sunni will stop suicide bombing each other in Iraq. The Yemenite civil war will suddenly stop.The Turks will stop slaughtering the Kurds. The Muslims in the Phillipines will suddenly give up violence. The Saudi`s will allow freedom of religion and human rights.Syria will stop assinating Labanese politicians. Muslims in Africa will stop slaughtering Christians. Somali`s will stop highjacking ships. Just kick the Jews out of a country the size of Los Angeles and Iran will give up it`s desire for nuclear weapons. Such is the thinking of the Obama crowd.(Naive and Dangerous).What more can we expect from this naive and inexperienced politician Obama.

I was at the UN when partition of the remaining part of the Palestinian Mandate was approved. The Jews -- Israel had not yet declared itself a state -- accepted the partition. The Arab nations, who then were not a majority in the UN, all denounced it with some of the delegates -- as I recall the one from Saudi Arabia -- vowing to drive the Jews into the sea. Please do not rewrite history.

What a ridiculous analogy from someone I once admired as a strong independent intellectual thinker. Ambassador Oren, you more than anyone should know that one certainly doesn't make peace with one with whom you have fallen in love.Peace is made between adversaries, and NOY between star striken lovers. In a society where so many marriages are forged through prearranged contracts, particularly in the the Heredi and Arab Muslum sectors, I find it sadly amusing that Oren would stoop to such theatrics as "Love Story" for explaining why it is so important to delay, stall, and neglect the burning urgency of peace for both our peoples. If the US has to bring us and the Palestinians weeping and kicking to the alter based on mutual obligations of respect dignity and equality,so be it! we don't need "love sonnets" from one another. WE need peace and security and the freedom and right to self determination for both Israel and the Palestinians alike.

Peacelover, of course everybody wants peace. "If I can do anything I want and nobody makes trouble for me, that's peace.". And that would be peace if it happened that way. Well, do I get to do anything I want or is it you who gets to do anything you want? That depends on who's the victor and who's the victim, right? But you don't want to fight, you want to have fair rules for everybody? And we only fight the ones who break the rules? OK, let me make the rules and I'll be happy with that but you have to let me change them when I want to. No? We could fight over who gets to make the rules.... The entire world agrees to rules that are bad for Israel. Why should Israel accept those rules? What army will make them? Israel wants peace. Israel wants Palestinians to go away or at least stop getting in Israel's way. If Arabs never cause trouble for Israel, that's peace. Israel does not want to give up any advantage for peace. Anything they give up makes it harder to win the next war.

The Israelis and the Pals will neither one be motivated to come to the negotiating table while people elsewhere in the world are still supplying sympathy and material support for this continued squabble. There are too many hardliners on both sides who seem to live on the ongoing conflict and don't do anything constructive, just breed and fight. That's why you both have such need for more housing etc. But you keep making pugnacious remarks like this which get reported in the world media and pretty soon those outside shipments of arms and supplies will begin to dwindle. You can't be forced to make peace. You're free to do anything you want in your growing isolation.

I heard the interview, and thought that Mr. Oren was well spoken, quite reasonable in his argument, and performed most credibly in representing the position of Israel.

And the Rewritten History .....?

Peace can be made even if one part think that it is convenient to keep been in war. In Arad, the city where I live, and in the local magazine, a good inhabitant is saying that Israel is now in its best economic moment and so...why should we make peace? So, at this level had got here the things, no morality at all,no humanism, no concience, no...just, why if we are so good we have to deal with arabs and giving them what they wanted... So, millions of people can not be up to these kind of though, so peace has to be made although here in Israel people, ignorant people, think that peace is not necesary...

You can't make me, na nee na nee boo boo! Sounds like this guy wants no part of peace.

little people and unwashed masses think,,,,now is the toilet flushing properly? the kitchen sink? i hate to complain but did hope you work was better than your politics

Suppose that Palestine nonviolently declares their independence. What does that get them? They are still under occupation. Israelis can still do anything they want. The UN cannot protect their 1967 borders or any other borders, unless somebody provides the troops. Would the USA do that? Say it was Russia. And say Israel bombs those troops while they are in Jordan, coming from -- Turkey? Iraq? Saudi arabia? Egypt? Presumably Israel would take the Sinai again to get a defensible border. Perhaps a defensible corner of Saudi arabia and Jordan. Would the USA want a russian army coming through Turkey, Jordan, Saudi arabia etc? Would USA fight for Israel's right to keep the West Bank & Sinai? Would USA side with the UN against Israel? USA would desperately need new codes. Israel likely can read all existing ones. Lots of ex-US military guys are in the IDF now. Lots of cryptographers etc. They make some US military communications equipment. Think about it. What a mess.

Don`t you wish Israel ceases to be a Jewish state but the facts are different. Israel today is about 70 to 80 % Jewish as it was back in 1948. The demographic myth is just a myth. So pay attention as to where you get your propaganda. Most of the people in this chat room just believe any anti Israel propaganda they hear. They think they`re cool for being anti Israel. Most of these anti Israel feelings have to do with an iddiotic inferiority complex people feel towards Israel and the Jewish people. They would rather join sides with the Palestinians who celebrated 911 with joy and laughter. They elect a President (obama) who wishes to apologize to the world as he bows before Arab dictators. The once great USA has become a nation of cry babies and wimps who are like an abused woman who apologizes to her abuser for being bad and joyfully excepts her abuse.

When Ireland made peace, as bad as some of the dominating Protestants acted, they weren't bulldozing homes, pushing Catholics out. That did happen in the distant past. The Protestants realized they couldn't win with force and more Protestants thought hatred and domination and oppression and terrorism from both sides wasn't the answer. Israel needs to be pressured, because it talks about peace while ethnic cleansing people from Jerusalem. How about peaceful behavior? Thanks to Netanyahu many Jews feel anger towards them abroad, and it's not just Muslims who feel prejudice. It's all connected to the conflicts. Ending this one would be a major step in reducing religious fanatacism amongst Christians in America, Jews in Israel and Muslims in the Arab world.

I suggest you read the likud charter.In regaars to the Palestinians it is VILE.

That is what is needed, to stop all the killings from both sides. Keep up the good jobs.

"Just like United Nations imposed the creation of Israel on the Palestinians..." - David What are you talking about? All the UN did was propose that administration of Palestine be divided between Arab and Jewish zones within a common economic entity. BOTH sides recognized the absurdity of the proposal and civil war broke out. The Jewish Palestinians declared the independence of Israel concurrent with the withdrawal of the British and the termination of their Mandate. Learn some history David. The UN DID NOT CREATE ISRAEL. Nor did EITHER side accept the UN plan as anything more than a bad joke with no hope of working.

dishing out 3 Billions $ now and then,

There is nothing romantic about 40+ yrs of illegal occupation. Wake up and smell the Falafel.

Mr. Oren was a credible representative of Israel and performed diplomatically. His spin was credible and his presentation well stated.

going on for a LONG LONG time , using the card of DELAYING TACTICS, it worked before but no more, just asked the Good Genral David PETRAEUS, who has finally sees where bad things come from.

we cannot force a peace agreement. What we can do is make the cost of Israel's current policies so high that they are untenable so that they enter a marriage of convenience. As my Aunt Mabel said before trapping her left tit in the mangle there is more than one way to skin a cat. There will be a two state solution and Israel will agree to it. Israel will literally be left with no choice.

The US is not trying to make Israel stop doing anything it has a right to do. Un SC Res. 465 clearly determines that the settlements, including E Jerusalem, have "no legal validity." Thus, we are simply trying to make Israel stop committing crimes that the US itself made possible by vetoing sanctions resolutions. A much better analogy is one who has knowingly allowed one person to rape another and protected the rapist from punishment. The US not only has a right to force a solution, it has a moral duty to do so. First, the US should stop all aid to Israel. If that doesn't work, we must work with the UN to impose progressive sanctions. There must be some cost most Israelis are unwilling to pay to allow the settlements to persist. The settlers are spoiled, ready to commit violence against anyone any time their demands are not met. How could most Israelis feel any loyalty to them? It is clearly one-sided.

It takes two to make peace. Mr Oren is right. To try to force an artificial peace only does greater harm in the long run. You who think that Israel can be forced by the USA are foolish. The 2 Billion dollars Israel recieves form the USA is insignificant considering Israel has an annual GDP of 2 to 3 hundred Billion dollars a year. When Israel produces it`s own weaponry it`s ussualy equal if not better than American weapons. The truth is we Americans would loose more than we would gain by isolating Israel. We buy drones and weapons from Israel for use in Afganistan. Consider if Israel abandoned the USA and joined up with China (the worlds next superpower). Obama is persuing a very dangerous game which reflects his inexperience. The American people were hoodwinked by this inexperienced amateur politician. You guys voted based on looks instead of brains and now the USA is losing it`s superpower status to become a 2cnd rate nation mortgaged by China.

Don*t we all once in a while swallow our pride, admit our wrongdoing and apologize to those we have hurt in order to keep peace or to care for the relationship we cherish? The Israelis have been suffering from Arab-terrorism for nearly 100 yrs non-stop and wars launched at her by her neighbors: -48,-56,-67,-73. YET none of them has ever shown decency to apologize to Israel for their aggressions and for the pain they have inflicted onto the Israeli ppl. In my opinion no peace can be made nor any fertile friendship can be developped without FIRST mending the wrong done in the past. It has three steps: 1)admitting one*s guilt 2)repentance 3)apology. Apology paves way to peace and friendship. Aplogy leads to healing from the wounds of the past. How can peace and friendship become possible without it? My question is can we expect Israel*s neighbors to take these 3 steps in order to make peace with Israel? If yes, then I believe peace with them is possible.

if you want the land then the people go with it, that means Pals in occupied teritories get full rights like you have in US, right to buy and sell and build on land as Jews do, and the Pals will probably get voting majority as well. "O say you will see"

and a peace maker named "Colt". Today we have the Near-East and the peace maker named "Nukes" will soon arrive. In five perhaps ten years.

Just like United Nations imposed the creation of Israel on the Palestinians...it is time for the United Nations to impose the State of Palestine. If Israel has its way, there will never be peace or an independent Palestinian State.

Sick

Mr. Obama, forcing us to make concessions to the PA won`t work,even if you say that you will protect us from Ahmadinejad`s nuclear follies.

Build, build, build - create facts on the ground that make a two-state solution impossible. What then? Since the world will not stand for a long-term apartheid state, all that remains is the one state. Demographics will eventually result in an Arab majority. Bye-bye jewish State.

Ambassador Oren is right that an imposed peace wouldn't work. If the U.S. imposed a peace settlement on Israel, the Palestinians wouldn't need to make any concessions of their own and would just wait to see their demands forced on Israel. Their demands would increase until a one-state solution replaced a two-state solution and Israel would be no more. The only way for a lasting Israeli-Palestinian peace is if both sides - Israel and the Palestinians - make the necessary concessions to reach an agreement, not Israel alone.

I don't know who you think you are but Israel owns the West Bank, Jerusalem, Golan, and she owns Gaza and should have never given it to the Arabs. The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob gave the land to the Jews and He will never allow the Jews to be totally destroyed (as the Arabs want to do). There will never be peace in this world or in the land of Israel until the Prince of Peace whose name is Jesus returns and return He will and every mouth will be stopped and every knee will bow down to Him and call Him Lord to the glory of God the Father.

Obviously the US can't impose peace on either Israelis or Palestinians. Nevertheless, Israel is at great risk if it undermines its relationship to the United States. Even Americans who generally support Israel do not feel that the Israel deserves financial support, low cost loans, or anything that costs the American tax payer. Moreover, the problem is obviously not the Obama administration, but the Israeli govt's blow hard attitude that has alienated erstwhile supporters like Turkey and EU countries. Israel's foreign policy experts can't be happy that Netanyahu has picked a fight with the Obama administration at a time that Israel needs the U.S. to focus on the looming threat of a nuclear-armed Iran. Achieving peace with the Palestinians and other Arabs, however imperfect, would markedly reduce Iran's capacity to cause trouble through intermediaries. It seems that Netanyahu and his supporters harbor the dangerous illusion that Israel can deal with Iran alone.

Israel is obviously feeling the heat, not something it often experiences from America. No one expects israel to fall in love with the palestinians; just treat them decently.

Israel needs to be made to want peace. Since the Palestinians are not capable of it due to Israeli control, others must step in for them. Israel should be treated exactly as Israel treats the Palestinians.

and no its not apartheid it stopping jews from stealing the whole enchilada....and there will be no honeymoon or nuptuals nor children to play in the grass...jews on their side of green line and palestinians on other....you zio'ss do know where the green line is right?

The US never had a realistic foreign policy,and the people in this room live in a dream world if they think that Israel has to be forced to sign a peace treaty. Israel is ready to sign a fair peace agreement , however, the Palestinians will never sign a peace treaty for that means recognition of Israel, which will never happen. Through Arab propoganda backed by billions in petro dollars they have managed to convince the world that they and not the Israelis want peace. Peace is an illusion no matter what Israel offers the Palestinians will reject, the only agreement the Palestinians will accept is for all Jews to either commit suicide or leave the middle east. So any left wing bleading heart Israeli or US Jew the Palestinians don't want your sympathy or your support, they want you dead, wake up and face reality. They also want the Christians destroyed but one thing at a time.

Hasn't it been obvious enough that Israel wants no peace, not the Palestinians. But Israel killed peace last week. And ain't that the guy who wasn't able to give a speach at UCI. Good thing he didn't try to say that infornt of an audience this time.

to make peace? Don't Israelis want peace?

Instead of procrastinating, our leaders should be putting the issue of making peace at the very top of their agenda. And they're not! Shame on them for all their time-wasting and pathetic little excercises designed to put the Palestinian's noses out of joint, and their desire to score petty points. Ye, the Americans SHOULD force us to make peace - because with people like Lieberman and Netanyahu at the helm, it aint't going to happen otherwise.

You have to have it in your heart. Nobody can force you to do anything. People have to live with the results of their own actions.

Typical zionist hyperbole and disinformation.He said nothing about Jews - just about Israel. Judaism is a religion; Israel is a country. When we talk about Serbia, is it because we are against Christianity, or is it that they are messing up?

Peace can be imposed upon countries. This is the whole purpose of the UN. Israel has never been more isolated worldwide. The Palestinians will have their state, based on the complete 1967 borders, as the world demands. Israel's illegal land grab will soon be over. The only way to forestall this is to complete the handing over of the West Bank to Palestinians. After this, if anyone attacks Israel, then Israel will have regained the moral high ground, and the world's support. A Done deal.

Ever heard of arrange marriages? I, Sarah was , calling it, FORCED to marry my husband 55 years ago. We did get married because of OUR parents, and today we are happy that OUR Parents forced on us this wonderful Marriage. We have three grown up children with thirteen grand children and a couple great gran children, and ALL of us are VERY VERY Happy ,just like many many other forced marriages we know about. This Sir, is not a matter of "somebody to fall in love" it is a matter of " GET OUT WHERE YOU DO NOT BELONG LEGALLY", I'm sure as a Diplomat you will see the LOGIC of IT.

peace is possible when you zio's stay on your side of the green line and not until...the USA can starvve you there...and dont think we wont...bye the bye what are you doing in my country?

The Palestinians are having a good laugh. ...http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=171272 Palestinian State in 2 years for them. No strings attached!

rat tat tat oren...yes we can force peace by disallowing you welfare to make war

"Israel does not want peace until they have displaced the Palestinians or suppressed them into a captive, worker people with no hope of freedom" -#10 Why just the Pals? There are millions of other Arabs, Turks, and Iranians, just to name a few that want the Jewish State erased from history. Remember when South Vietnam fell? Everyone blamed the USA for not wanting to make a peace accord with North Vietnam. Israel is surrounded by very hostile forces that want very much to commit another genocide against the Jewish people. To say that Israel is strong and therefore somehow responsible for this situation is crazy. No one in Israel will give up strength and allow another genocide of the Jews. Iran is now preaching Holocaust denial as a preparation for a new genocide. Syria, Hamas, and Hizbollah want to join Iran in the carnage. Perhaps the PA will just want to reap the benefits of this new Holocaust. But Israel must use only security considerations for its actions at this time.

Oren is right. Israel should be free to make its own decisions. Unfortunately, we, in this country, cannot. We are required to support Israel financially and politically--even to our detriment when Israeli policies are not consistent with US interests. Certainly Oren's principles should apply to us as well--no one can make us fork over $3billion/year (plus $2billion/year bribe money to Egypt) and provide automatic vetoes in the UN. But alas, that is not Israel's problem--it's ours. Our political system simply encourages politicians to sell themselves to the highest bidder irrespective of other considerations.

You call Yishai a low level official ?? I don't think he will like that appellation. Isn't that like seating him on a low chair :)

'No one can force us to make peace' Says David Oren.

Tar, Please don't go calling Ambassador, and historian Michael Oren a retard. He is one of the most well educated ambassadors Israel has ever had. I doubt you've had but a drop of education compared to his credentials. If you like books, which I seriously doubt you do, then go read "Six Days of War" by Ambassador Oren. I think you'll understand Israel better after reading it. The '67 conflict forced Israel's hand to take the necessary gains for security reasons. And as far as Jerusalem is concerned.....the Jews will NEVER...ever ever give it back to the Arabs, who had turned the wailing wall into a latrine during their years of control over the area. United Jerusalem is the ETERNAL capital of the Jewish people! Long live Israel!

Politics has nothing to do with love and by using this word Oren displays his unprofessional diplomacy. Politics has something to do with interests, and Israels interests should be compromising on peace with the Palestinians as soon as possible. Sadat and Hussein knew what they were doing in yielding Gaza and the West Bank to Palestine and if Israel doesn't find a solution quite soon (unlike the Palestinians who can wait üatiently), the problem will be solved by itself. Israel will be an apartheid regime populated by mostly Muslim population and Haredim. And the next generation will find nobody to blame because there might be none who survives this poilitcal catastrophy. so, folks, hurry up!

The Ambassador avoided the fact that the world is trying to stop Israel from keep on stealing the Palestinian lands and forcing the Arab world into fanatic like Iran.

Until the Pals stop with incitement, like recently naming a square after a PLO "martyr" who murdered dozens of Jews on the coastal highway in the 80's, then there is no peace possible. Peace to the Pals almost universally still means the destruction of Israel and large scale murder of Jews. Since 1967 Israel's response to threat has always been to strategically settle land for security. Settlement in the West Bank and Jerusalem makes Israel geographically more secure. If the Arabs want peace they would UNILATERALLY make Israel feel MORE secure so that Israel does not have to resort to new settlement activity. Instead the Arabs, the Turks, the Iranians all actively express incitement and then get upset when they get settlement in response to threats. Had the Pals accepted the withdrawal from Gaza as an important Israeli move and made Gaza the an example for a future trustworthy peace accord, there would likely a peace settlement in West Bank as well, but instead just Arab incitement.

No one can force the US to support any other nation, not even The Israel Lobby.

In our part of the world matchmaker don't arrange some one to fall in love. They just arrange the marriage first and they dilly nally a little willing parties fall in love automatically. Its not forcing but accepted. this talks and nego will continue for years if International Dada's don't arrange to accept clear solution first and pack them to honymoon.

In our part of the world matchmaker don't arrange some one to fall in love. They just arrange the marriage first and they dilly nally a little willing parties fall in love automatically. Its not forcing but accepted. this talks and nego will continue for years if International Dada's don't arrange to accept clear solution first and pack them to honymoon.

First of all, there is no killing or land theft going on between America and Cuba. Secondly, America pays very well for the privilege of criticizing Israel.

counts on America's closing her eyes on British colonial enterprise"

.....like this whe need ennemy!

rei Karta how it's all Israel's fault .. Amazing how the Left and Ultra Super Religious find together..

...this is a job for the Boca Maldita! (And for those elsewhere, that was an informal group of influential citizens who kept up a running public commentary on where they felt the local government was falling down.)

Israel is trying to get rid of all the Arabs and make Israel a Jewish state.Settlements is the most edvident and denying them building permits has been a long Israeli tradition,demolish homes is a common pratice.These are not things that normal people would do, in the eyes of peace.

"Outsiders cannot force peace" if this principle was applied during the 1940's.... would there have been Israel?

... the pre-conditions and demands that the Bibi government is making on the Pals, even before they sit down and talk with them, there is a clearly informative opinion-piece by Envoy Michael Oren in IHT 19/3/10.

and South Korea doesn't want peace with the North. besides ,Clinton has said the row with Israel "pays off" ,so what is it all this blaming Bibi aboout ?

the other party neither. until you manage a peace agreement on the table face to face in true love, it would be helpful for all parties, when UN and US troops would take over west bank, gaza, jerusalem with immediate effect. then everyone could concentrate on a peace agreement...

...care to wager on that?

because that's the way people from the former USSR or Nazi Germany think and speak.I doubt you will find many Israelis who think the way you think they think.

... since even without a commitment to love, nations the world over live beside one another and tolerate one another... sovreignity is essential to safe-guard neigboring nations, but Israel has been either gnawing away at Pal sovreignity or blatantly annuling it altogether... the Pals now need protectors and enablers to make possible a declaration of the sovrignity that is their due... it's not going to come via the likes of Bibi et Lieberman, with Yishai throwing spanners into the works... the UN, USA, EU are the legitimate available enablers...

deal with your own issues... there are some many reasons that we don't want peace with the palestinians at this stage... We were ready for peace and make big steps toward it at the oslo agreement. we gave them guns, we gave them the possibilty to manage certain areas and cities and proove us that they able to fullfill this duty in order for the next steps. But instead building trust, Arafat and his Mafia used the money they got to build themselves a army and terror cells, lied to the world. Building big villas, driving mercedes instead of trying to bring the palestinians together but building means in the mosqyes. Even some of the palestinians were left on the side with help. Additional to Arafat + crew, Hamas decided to bomb buses, restaurants etc... SOrry folks.. we gave trust we lost it and we have a elephant brain! And now you expect us to make peace again???

Obama took the opportunity to use a trivial unintentioned faux pas to turn it into a crisis so he could bring forward his agenda. His use of emotional tactics about "endangering US troops" is a sinister reminder of Goebels and Krystalnacht. He intends to whip up the masses to turn US against Israel. All jews should fear this tactic, even the "useful idiots" of jStreet and the Israel leftists who colluded to engineer bibs downfall with Obamas help.

The PA simply has to declare thnemselves at peace with Israel, re-interate their recognition of Israel as a state and ask them to kindly withdraw to the 1967 lines. Declare their state and ask the UN to protect their borders while they form their army. Israel has nothing to do with it. Ther settler enclaves that fall within the 67 line become citizens of Palestine.

You are not dealing with reality. There is no "mutual respect" since many Palestinians are not willing to accept the reality of the state of Israel. Therefore, any attempt by Obama and Hillary to impose a settlement will not succeed not only because of Israeli resistence but also due to the hostility of many Palestinians.

Is Oren another ostacle for peace in the Middle East. The whole world is telling you to leave the occupied lands.

you are right ,if you dont want peace ,then no one can force on you to make peace..and till now it seems you never wanted peace in middle east

Thats the question, who cares about palestinian state,and about Gaza. For Israel its very easy, They say I want peace and at the same time keep building. Sr. Michael and Israel we need I solution, lets stop bla,bla and blad.

Israel does not want peace until they have displaced the Palestinians or suppressed them into a captive, worker people with no hope of freedom.

As is we didn't already know. The only way peace will be made will be through the EU making a Palestinians state with viable security.

...that Mr. Oren is the presenter on an infomercial--and the manufacturer keeps making last-minute changes to the product.

want to. And even the PA is dubious, hear and read the arabic, a far better approach than the english language pronouncement. this for one, a day of rage and saying that Israel wants to get rid of Palestinians over a reopening of a Synagogue in the Jewish quarter? Are Jewish holy sites and places of worship safe in Muslim hands, we should ask Jordan, who when conquered Jerusalem destroyed that very synagogue and desecrated Jewish Graves sites. Are we not tired of the illogical words and actions and the unfair and unjust actions and words. Is not justice for all? Not just Arabs but Jews as well. Is not our holy places just as important. This was no new synagogue and not in the heart of the muslim quarter either (another lie) Peace requires more honesty. I'ed admit that we both need it yet the Arabs are experts are wanting one sided honesty and justice.

Mr oren, yes they can

The guy is so transparent. Israel has all the power and the Pals have none, so as long as there is no serious outside intervention Israel can string out meaningless negotiiations while keeping the Pals in captivity and stealing their land. The Israeli game is SO transparent. And it's equally clear that the only way there will ever be a fair ME peace is if it is imposed on Israel. You can't force people to fall in love, no, but you can force people to set their neighbours free, get out of their land and live in peace with them. That's all the Pals need from Israel, not love.

It's called an arranged marriage. You don't have to be in love - there are plenty of other reasons to get married - economics for example. Don't worry, after Palestine and Israel tie the knot in a peace ceremony there will be a big party and everyone will celebrate. Over time the love will grow out of the mutual respect that comes from living together. Now just sign the pre-nup and get on with raising a family.

He has no diplomatic skills which seems to be the case for all those in the Israeli foreign ministry. The world can't force Israel to make peace but it can force you to follow the law which means the '67 lines, no Aqsa, no Golan, no Gaza no W.B and no Sheba'a Farms. Get with the program

Yes We Can!! And we will :) American media is finally catching on in Gaza, previously and suspciously absent in the aftermath of Cast Lead, and it is a sign of things to come.