Israel's obstinacy is holding back peace, PA official says

Israel must first dispose totally of Hamas before any progress can be made. This may mean leveling Gaza but it must be done. Israel will not negotiate on the World's terms. Palestinians are too corrupt, factional, fanatical and violent to presently govern themselves. There will be NO Palestinian government inside of Israel. That should be a blood oath for every Jew ! These Arabs who call themselves by the fictitious name of ' Palestinians' are the scourge of the Earth. Jerusalem is indeed a stone of burden to the nations and it will break many to pieces eventually, yet, Israel continues to be blessed exceedingly and those who fight her cursed !

Two quick things 1. Like I said, blame shifting the Pals onto the Palestinian state of Jordan is not pragmatic. In reality, it is already a large Palestinian state, but the JORDANIANS WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PALS. Look up Black September when the Jordanian government massacred tens of thousands of Pals or in 1988 when Jordan completely relinquished the West Bank for a territorial claim. 2. The PLO's diplomatic agreements unfortunately don't segue to the newer PA. The PA does not recognize Israel and it condones acts of martyrdom. Get a grip man! Why is it that you psychologically hate Israel so much, because you clearly don't know enough about the situation to give a well-formed response.

Palestine refuses to recognise Israel now or in the future no matter where the borders are.

..."President Shimon Peres on Wednesday criticized a rightist lawmaker's suggestion that Jordan should serve as the Palestinian state. National Union MK Aryeh Eldad's proposal that Jordan take responsibility for the Palestinians' welfare is a "baseless hallucination," the president told Israel Radio..." See: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1088591.html - "Peres: 'Jordan is Palestine' plan is baseless hallucination" I hope that clears it up for all you wingnuts forever. It's over. Kaput. No more. It is a "hallucination" to keep bringing it up. And maybe read Haaretz fully before commenting.

...do try and catch up.

Every time I read so many atacks against Israel i realize the necessity of Israel to be stronger with a great army. For sure there are not many Jewish fans in the world, could be jealousy, or just simple envy, who knows, but in the mean time LONG LIVE ISRAEL

Very soon Christine alias fatima and michael alias mohamed will enjoy going to the mosque, I wonder if Christine will be able to see her way with the burqa, and you Michael with the turban you will cover your bald head, no problem any way is empty. In Mexico we are so happy without moslems you cant imagine, we have narcos, but they are better than any moslem traitor who sided with the nazis in WW11. Michael dont forget about how England won the battle of Tobruk it was with the super help, lives and blood of the Jewish brigade. you in Norway, you are a lost case, Moslems will rule you very shortly.

Christine, you clearly need a history lesson. To superficially tell the entire tale would take a minimum of ten pages, but the Six Day War was a defensive war on Israel's part. If you want to oversimplify things and claim that Israel attacked Egypt that is fine, but you are ignoring the complexities of severely threatening Egyptian rhetoric leading up to the war, and Nasser's expulsion of the UNEF, and closure of Tiran. However, while Israel had first directly attacked Egypt, Jordan and Syria both decided to invade Israel of their own volition and poor judgement. The Six Day War was more like 3 separate 2 day wars in reality. During this period Israel gained control of Jerusalem, the West Bank, and Golan. Note: all territories it had captured from Egypt were subsequently returned in 1979 in accordance with Camp David.

Peace talks begin: Israel: First, do you recognize Israel's right to exist? PA: NO End of peace talks.

Like Mubarak said, Israel will negotiate with you for 16 years over single road block. Liberman says on the one hand peace with the Pals, is unrealitstic, but Ruropean recognition of Pal state will hurt the peace process. Israel is just not an entity to negotiate with, it needs to be presented with a forced solution.

what a joke!! israel please stop making up your stupid lies...give back what really never belonged to you...their land and step off.

Never was, never will be...JUST THE USUAL USUAL. Beat the chest, applaud the absurd, admonish all good works from Israel (Haiti), and shoot from the lip...just nonsense from a squatter desiring others property.

"...in a defensive war which very much characterizes the Six Day War on the Jordanian front, however this is not my point. " Another Sionist myth, Jon! That war was provoked by Israel who had thoroughly prepared themselves for it.

Sorry to disappoint you Arthur but I am not Norwegian. I am imported product just like yourself. I am instead a daughter of Charles de Gaulle and Julius Cesar, both experts in colonisation, so I know what I am talking about. Palestinians free in Gaza?? Is that your idea of freedom? How would you like to live with your air space controlled and full of drones, your sea shore blocked, your borders sealed and access to you by the international community constantly denied?

The PA thinks that calling attention to the obvious will change something - anything. The obvious is obvious to all. The current government of Israel, like all since General Rabin was murdered, has had no interest in peace. As no one in Europe or the US will do anything but give lip-service to peace there is absolutely NO chance of peace between the Palestinians and Israel. Best if the whole concept were dropped and serious effort applied for finding a final solution for the Palestinian problem. Who wants them? Who will take them in? If no one wants them, no one will save them, then what?

They have believed all along that the world will impose their conditions on Israel so they have never made a single compromise.

"Arthur, Shimon Peres says you are hallucinating..." No. He says you're a dishonest, obsessed freak. "...ye olde Jordan is Palestine myth is dead dead dead." Except for the fact that it's roughly 78% of Palestine.

" Israel, show the borders Gaza should recognize....come on, let`s see the map." You're one of those clowns who claims that the Palestinian Authority recognized Israel because Arafat wrote a letter, aren't you? Where were the borders?

" Jon, they are not "settlements" they`re illegal colonies..." You mean, the communities which were cleansed of Jews by Jordan in 1948 are illegal colonies because the Jews reclaimed their properties 19 years later? You're quite the sick, demented soul, BSNews.

Palestinians will never sign peace agreement with Israel. Their demand for Palestinian state from the river to the sea will continue even after European recognition of a Palestinian state. It will take the Palestinian state no more than 5 years to arm itself to the teeth and a major Middle East War will be launched, only this war will not be limited to the Middle East but will spill out into Europe with grave consequances involved for the European nations.

"Therefore, I support efforts to bolster the Pals with a dose of civilization "Jon this is the kind of bigotted remark we Irish had to endure from your ancestors. Show us how civilised you are Jon---call me a hick or an irish get or some other such civilised name. Civilsed---yeah sure you are.

"The Balfour Declaration promised the entire Palestinian Mandate as a National Jewish Homeland so there is clearly no myth."Jon Who got to you Jon---you are suffering from an acute case of "GIGO". The Balfour declaration promised a homelnd but not at the expense of others. Britain as the Mandate changed the borders, as was their right ,when it was obvious too many Jews were arriving and creating an imbalance. It is not the hick from NC who is clueless Jon. Did your english history lesson collide with your Zionist studies. You seem remarkeably weak on British history.

"The Balfour Declaration promised the entire Palestinian Mandate as a National Jewish Homeland so there is clearly no myth."Jon Who got to you Jon---you are suffering from an acute case of "GIGO". The Balfour declaration promised a homelnd but not at the expense of others. Britain as the Mandate changed the borders, as was their right ,when it was obvious too many Jews were arriving and creating an imbalance. It is not the hick from NC who is clueless Jon. Did your english history lesson collide with your Zionist studies. You seem remarkeably weak on British history.

"Israeli residence in the West Bank is correctly defined as settlements and an argument can easily be made that they are perfectly legal." Jon They are illegal according to the highest court in Israel as in case # 2056/04 when that court ruled the West Bank (Samaria/Judea---biblical nonsense) toi be held under "Belligerent Occupation" by Israel.Ergo it cannot be sovereign Israeli territory unless you believe a sovereign can Occupy it,s own land. You can make all the arguments you care to--back them up "International law allows for the settlement of land acquired in a defensive war which very much characterizes the Six Day War on the Jordanian front, however this is not my point."Jon Do give us a link to this well hidden secret. here we all are sitiing thinking the Law that covered these events was the one known as "The Inadmissibility of territories gained through war". Gee and you say there is another one. Well here is your chance to share it with all we know nothings.

Jordan-Israel, Egypt-Israel peace treaties designate the border as between Egypt and Trans-Jordan and colonial Palestine, prior to May 1948 Arab invasion, foreswearing any Egypt, Trans-Jordan claims to land they seized from UK Mandatory Palestine. These treaties, signed by Israel, are borders Israel, the UN, and the world recognize. Arabs of colonial Palestine have no legal standing under the 1947 Partition Plan which they rejected. They also have no legal standing to designate the 1949-1967 Armistice lines as "borders" because those armistice agreements were executed between Israel and Egypt, Trans-Jordan, Syria and Lebanon - NOT them. In fact, they formally rejected the 1967 "borders" in 1968, in Khartoum ("No recognition, no negotiation, no peace"). Too late now. What, the "Palestinians" can reject borders, try to deprive Israel of its rights in those borders for 60 years, and when they finally accept defeat, recover all their lost fortunes at Israeli expense? Ain't gonna happen!

by its binding treaty at san remo in 1920 before it can discuss the mythical palestine !! without recognition of israel and its bordsers it cannot logically find for another state within those borders!

"Funny how Israel accepted the Clinton parameters and the Palestinians rejected them." SDHD No they did not--they had 8 pages of "Exceptions", almost triple those of the Palestinians. Israel has never been interested in peace---it gets in the way of the Greater Israel. "Also funny how Arafat agreed to modify the PA charter, but never did."SDHD Same old same old from the broken record. Funny how netanyahoo has not changed the Likud Charter. ever try posting without insulting people. Is that why you spend all your time on the PC throwing insults at people---cannot make friends, huh SDHD. Sad little man.

Palestinians are not willing to negotiate any peace now- they would have no point in negotiations if EU adapts this policy.

Here are comments from their leaders going back to 1936 and right up to today, if you read the Likud Charter. "As it will be demonstrated below, the decision by the Zionist leadership to accept the 1947 proposed UN GA Partition plan was nothing but a smoke screen, which was done solely to gain international recognition and support. This deception was a political ploy to gain initial international legitimacy for the existence of the "Jewish state", and this was well known to the Palestinian people. The reader is urged to contemplate the following Zionist leaders' quotes in an open mind. Note that most, if not all, of the quotes below are dated before the entry of any single Arab Army into British Mandated Palestine: * In a letter Chaim Weizmann sent to the Palestine-British high Commissioner, while the Peel Commission was convening in 1937, he stated: "We shall spread in the whole country in the course of time ..... this is only an arrangement for the next 25 to 30 years." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 66) * Ben-Gurion emphasized that the acceptance of the Peel Commission would not imply static borders for the future "Jewish state". In a letter Ben-Gurion sent to his son in 1937, he wrote: "No Zionist can forgo the smallest portion of the Land Of Israel. [A] Jewish state in part [of Palestine] is not an end, but a beginning ..... Our possession is important not only for itself ... through this we increase our power, and every increase in power facilitates getting hold of the country in its entirety. Establishing a [small] state .... will serve as a very potent lever in our historical effort to redeem the whole country." (Righteous Victims, p. 138) * In 1938, Ben-Gurion made it clear of his support for the "Jewish state" on part of Palestine was only as a stepping ground for a complete conquest. He wrote: "[I am] satisfied with part of the country, but on the basis of the assumption that after we build up a strong force following the establishment of the state--we will abolish the partition of the country and we will expand to the whole Land of Israel." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 107 & One Palestine Complete, p. 403) * One day after the UN vote to partition Palestine, Menachem Begin, the commander of the Irgun gang and Israel's future Prime Minister between 1977-1983, proclaimed: "The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever." (Iron Wall p. 25) * ""Shamir has said Israel must keep the territories in order to accommodate the immigrants. "A great aliyah [immigration]," he said, "requires a Greater Israel."(5) He has insisted that, although Soviet Jews are not being directed to the territories, any Jew has the right to live anywhere in the land of Israel, which for most Israelis includes the territories.

Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention states in paragraph 1, [2] Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive. and states in paragraph 6, The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies. Some here who talk of international law have obviously never bothered to do any research. It is not a matter of debate. It does not matter whether you charactorize a war as "defensive" or offensive. You can not gain territory through war, and you can not move your own population into occupied territory.

Guys like Shaath are in favor of anything (like the French-Spanish "proposal") that will derail current negotiation plans and keep the "peace process" going on forever, so the Al-Kidwa clan can keep stealing millions more foreign aid every month. Shaath and the Al-Kidwa's are licking their chops at the prospect of a "unilateral declaration" creating an impoverished, surrounded, cut-off PA pseudo-state, in perpetual conflict with Israel and thus an attractor for more foreign aid money they can steal. Genuine peace would put Shaath and his cronies out of business - the "peace process business" that has made them all wealthy. Reason Hamas has any following at all is that the local population is fed up with PA corruption, of which Shaath is a symbol - kind of like Somoza or Haiti's Baby Doc Duvalier was, only with better tailored suits.

Nice try of stereotyping there, Arthur. As I presume you know, Quisling was dealt with in proper jusicial manner in 1945, and were swiftly executed thereafter. One should perhaps also note that the Norwegian has had a positive experience with resistance movements, as you may consider mentioning in future talkbacks.

Go look at a map of the historical Palestinian mandate and compare it to modern ME boundaries. You will see 78% of it is currently allocated to Jordan. The Balfour Declaration promised the entire Palestinian Mandate as a National Jewish Homeland so there is clearly no myth. It is not pragmatic in today's world to argue that Jordan is enough for the Palestinians, but you are disseminating pure propaganda with your commentary. Get a grip on reality you NC hick!

BBSNews - Your post was completely worthless. Israeli residence in the West Bank is correctly defined as settlements and an argument can easily be made that they are perfectly legal. International law allows for the settlement of land acquired in a defensive war which very much characterizes the Six Day War on the Jordanian front, however this is not my point. Personally, I support the withdrawal of the settlements on ethical groundbut it is not currently a political viable solution. Israel has proven its ability to retract settlements at the appropriate time as it did in 2005, however it is not possible to unilaterally do so without the proper cooperation of Pals. Thanks for embarrassing yourself, and I advise you to actually read and comprehend posts before you comment on them yourself. Like I said, I am purely a Zionists, but also aspire to find solutions that will work out a resolution and equilibrium for both the Pals and Israelis and am excited to see how Fayyad progresses

...ye olde Jordan is Palestine myth is dead dead dead. It's a non-starter. Even the President of Israel says so. Now go back to sleep.

...come on, let's see the map. You see old son, I cannot find an official Israeli map that shows borders. I do know what the internationally recognized borders are, but Israel seems to think it has other borders. So asking the Gazans, the Arab world, or even the wider world of people like me in North Carolina, to "recognize" Israel is quite problematic because there is no map from Israel that declares official and final borders. So what are we all supposed to recognize?

"That can`t be right! I`m told everyday in these talkbacks ...that the Palestinians don`t want a state, that they will never accept a state." Except, what you're told on these talkbacks is that they have rejected a state every time one has been offered to them. Haven't they, little propagandist?

" Israel always negotiates on the basis that the Pals are too weak to extract serious concessions and that the Jewish lobbies in the US and Western states are strong enough to prevent the US or Western states taking any action against Israel whatever it does." Funny how Israel accepted the Clinton parameters and the Palestinians rejected them. Also funny how Arafat agreed to modify the PA charter, but never did.

...perhaps that's why you and so many others are confused. You simply type without actually doing some research into the facts, and you've just parroted a very commo lie among Israeli apologists. Israeli colonies are illegal. Israel has illegally transferred a half a million of their citizens onto occupied territory, and this is expressly forbidden under well known international law. This is precisely why every leader around the world, except Bibi of course, calls the colonies illegal. It's because they are illegal. They are a land grab of land that Israel does not and never will hold sovereignty over. Start with UN resolution 181 and work your way forward to 194, 242 and 338. Plus for extra credit look up 465, 478, and 489. Israel believes it is above all laws. It is clearly not. Time's up.

This is great news. It is however important that the Pal's hold off on the rockets and simply expose every encroachment of Pal's soverigntiy. This will allow for EU backing and increased global support. Terror never got anyone anywhere, nor did occupation. Time's up Israel!

And they cry victim as they sit back waiting for somebody else to do their work for them keeping up the odd murder for good measure. Of course they refuse to be drawn on the "refugee"issue in English but tell millions in Arabic they are going to Israel. They have innumerable lobby groups in the USA & EU which their apologists avoid mentioning,, it spoils a good victim story

I wonder what makes an antisemitic daughter of Quisling (you know what was his nationality) to write to a Jewish nespaper? The Pals are free in Jordan where they represent 75% of the whole population AND in Gaza where they are 100% of population! ASK THE 3000 Christians in Gaza how FREE THEY ARE?

As a Zionist, I have no problems with these announcement and have put a lot of hope towards Salam Fayyad's institution-building plan. You can blame Israeli negotiating tactics all you would like, but the truth is that the Pals are completely unwilling to negotiate at this point. The larger picture is that diplomatic negotiations are very unlikely to succeed at any point in the near future. Therefore, I support efforts to bolster the Pals with a dose of civilization in hopes that future negotiations are peace are more likely. I believe Obama was hoping to implement policy in this direction, but failed miserably when he mainly focused on the futile issue of settlements.

The Israeli "principle" of the peace process: Possesion is nine tenths of the law.

Interesting. What are those principles? Where is the process?

...that the Palestinians don't want a state, that they will never accept a state. They tell me that it is only Israel that wants a Palestinians state. Even as the colonies grow and half a million illegal colonists prove the wingnuts liars. As does the above article. As does every Palestinian I speak to. Israelis have a huge problem with facing the truth. The rest of the world has seen through it all now. Well, it wasn't like we didn't warn ya...

If a Palestinian state is declared, and passports are issued, it would appear the problem is finally solved. Thank goodness. Will the Palestinians be competing in the Olympics? (Their gold medal in "international justice" from 1972 still stands)

Israel always negotiates on the basis that the Pals are too weak to extract serious concessions and that the Jewish lobbies in the US and Western states are strong enough to prevent the US or Western states taking any action against Israel whatever it does.

We, the people of the international community, are eagerly waiting the return of our Palestinian friends to the world community where they belong. At last, the sixty year old age of darkness might come to an end. Free at last! Free at last! Free at last! Keep hope, you people! Your call is finally beginning to be heard.