• Published 10:01 04.11.09
  • Latest update 20:12 04.11.09

Israel Navy chief: Hezbollah-bound Iran ship carried hundreds of tons of arms

The Antigua-flagged ship was raided by the Navy not far from the coast of Cyprus before dawn Wednesday.

By Reuters, Amos Harel, Barak Ravid and Anshel Pfeffer Tags: Iran Israel news

Israel Navy Chief Brig. Gen. Rani Ben-Yehuda said Wednesday that an arms ship seized near Cyprus earlier in the day had been carrying hundreds of tons of weapons.

Israeli commandos seized the ship before dawn on Wednesday and defense officials said it had been carrying missiles and rockets bound for Lebanon's Iranian-backed Hezbollah guerrillas, believed to have come from Iran.


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Israel and Hezbollah fought a bitter war in the summer of 2006 that ended with a United Nations-brokered cease-fire, but occasional flare-ups occur.

Wednesday's pre-dawn seizure in the waters near Cyprus was bigger than a similar haul in 2002, when Israeli military confiscated Karine A, a vessel with 50 tons of missiles, mortars, rifles and ammunition headed for Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip.

In Tehran, Syria's Foreign Minister Walid al-Moallem dismissed Israeli allegations the ship carried arms.

"Unfortunately, some pirates sometimes take action in the name of inspection and prevent the sailing of commercial ships," he was quoted as saying by the state IRNA news agency during a visit Wednesday. "This ship was carrying goods from Syria heading to Iran and was not carrying weapons making materials."

It was unclear why Moallem said the ship was headed in the opposite direction of that claimed by Israel. Syrian officials were not immediately available for comment in Damascus.

Iran and Syria are close allies and Hezbollah's principle backers. Israel accuses Syria and Iran of supplying Hezbollah with weapons using air, sea and land routes - including through the port of Latakia.

At a press conference Wednesday, Ben-Yehuda said that the ship had been carrying 40 containers filled with 300 tons of weapons each, all meant for Hezbollah in order to pose a threat to Israel.

The navy commander described the operation, saying that the Antigua-flagged ship was first detected during a routine patrol. In coordination with NATO ships, the ship's crew was questioned and a request for a closer inspection was presented to them. Defense officials encountered no resistance in boarding the ship. An inspection of the ship's documents revealed that the ship was carrying several containers of weapons originating from Iran and headed for Syria.

A random check of the containers revealed weapons, the navy chief explained, especially rockets hidden inside containers belonging to the Iranian commercial fleet.

Ben-Yehuda refused to divulge whether Israel had any prior intelligence regarding the ship's cargo, saying that "we have ongoing intelligence indicating that Iran is continuously supporting Hezbollah and other organizations with massive quantities of weapons." He said that no anti-aircraft or anti-tank missiles have been found aboard the ship.

After the initial search on board the ship, the navy towed the freighter to Israel, where it conducted a thorough inspection of the cargo, the IDF said.

Intelligence agencies had surveilled the vessel for a number of days leading up to the raid. The decision to seize the ship was made following a recommendation by top IDF brass and was approved by the country's most senior echelon.

In addition, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak were kept abreast of preparations for the raid over the course of a few days.

"There were Katyusha (rockets), whose purpose is to hit civilians," Deputy Defence Minister Matan Vilnai told Army Radio.

He did not give any quantities, voicing doubt its crew knew munitions were on aboard.

Asked if the weaponry had been earmarked for Hezbollah, Vilnai said: "Yes. It strengthens (the group) and improves its long-range firing capability into Israel."

Netanyahu released a statement Wednesday saying that the weapons found on board the ship were intended to harm Israel's cities and town. The premier hailed the IDF and the Navy for the operation.

Barak praised the capture of the ship. Barak congratulated IDF Chief of Staff Gabi Ashkenazi and Navy Commander Admiral Eliezer Marom for the ship's seizure.

"This is another success in the endless struggle against attempts to smuggle weapons and military equipment whose goal is to strengthen terrorist elements who threaten the security of Israel," the defense minister said. "I congratulate the IDF troops for the successful operation."

Following the raid, ministers in the diplomatic-security cabinet convened for a special session Wednesday morning, where they were given an intelligence and operational briefing on the details of the seizure.

Before the meeting, the ministers who were summoned were told that the discussion would focus on the latest developments related to the Palestinian Authority. The meeting though was devoted exclusively to the ship's capture.

From all indications, the operation was not brought for cabinet approval prior to its execution. Rather, it is likely that a small forum of a select number of ministers gave the go-ahead.

Foreign Ministry officials on Wednesday launched consultations to determine Israel's public relations stance in explaining the operation and its ramifications to diplomats and the foreign press.

Since the conclusion of Operation Cast Lead, last winter's three-week military offensive against the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip, the Navy and the Israel Air Force have conducted routine and extensive patrols and reconnaissance in the Mediterranean and Red Sea.

The military seeks to intercept ships bearing arms intended for Hamas and Hezbollah. As part of these efforts, the Navy has deployed warships through the Suez Canal.

The Iranian vessel carrying arms for Hezbollah is seen at the port in Ashdod on Wednesday.

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  • 364. 0 0
    ISRAEL tows Iran arms ship to Ashdod
    • The Teacher/Instruct
    • 06.11.09
    • 19:15

    ISRAEL tows arms ship to Ashdod. One day tales of exploits,of courage,& daring will be told from father to son,& from son to son till the end of generations yet to be born! They will be like the stories of the Old Testament,that even today,thousands of years after,people all over the world still read & find,the deepest thoughts of the human mind. One can get inspiration of celestial powers by delving deeply into understanding the minds of our ancient sages. Two religions were born out of this Ancient people:the Hebrews,Israelites,Jews,& more recently the Israelis,which are destined to play a pivitol role in the world to come. God bless us be with us !

  • 363. 0 0
    is obama naive or is this part of his plan?
    • jon
    • 06.11.09
    • 17:45

    what a joke obama has become...so let's see, he says, if you unclench your fist... blah blah..so what does iran do? they continue to supply insurgents with IED's that kill americans, they continued to build their secret plant at QOM, they celebrate the 1979 hostage taking, they call obama a man with a smile and a knife, they ship arms to terrorists groups as clearly witnessed yesterday, and all the while, obama, the jerk, keeps on with his naive BS saying how they respect the iranians and are ready to talk...I mean, how transparent can this pussy be? he is being made to look like a fool and the left can say what they want, but the truth is, his foreign policy is a disaster. In his war, the good war as his team positioned it, he is proving to be a totally weak kneed decision maker, he messed up the israeli -palestinian process, messed up on gitmo, refuses to use legitimate torture to get answers from murderers, but sneekily continues rendition..he is a farce.

  • 362. 0 0
    45 & 67
    • zionist forever
    • 05.11.09
    • 19:53

    Kevin Israel bombed a military target in Syria out of fear for its own safety & it destroyed an arms shipment coming from Sudan to be used against Israel. Israel also bombed Saddam Hussains nuclear reactor in theory illegal under international law but Israel rightly puts its own security above international law. Life is more important than law. Chris You know its an arms shipment through inteligence. The navy stop the ship check the cargo, if its arms they take the ship and its cargo to Israel where its impounded. If its not carrying arms Israel issues a formal apology and lets the ship go peacefully on its way .. a minor delay. If you were living in Israel I think you would be congratulating the navy on this one and grateful for the fact these arms have been prevented from falling into terrorist hands to be used against the country you live in.

  • 361. 0 0
    Mehmet - It cuts both ways
    • David Israel
    • 05.11.09
    • 17:56

    1. According to UN Turkish actions in Famagusta (In UN terms not Maras) are illegal and in another case Louizidou won against Turkey a case for compensation. However UN does have a sanction against Iran to sell arms therefore it is legal to prevent it. 2. Yes I support Turkey in Cyprus because I know well how Greeks had killed Turkish civilians, just like the Hamas and Hezbollah are doing now to Israelis. If it is ok for Turkey to invade Cyprus when Turks are killed it is also OK for Israel to act when Israeli?s are killed. Stop your double standards. 3. I don?t hate Turks not even you. I support Turkey as a secular modern democracy but not the current government. 4. Just like you criticize Israel here on an Israeli paper, I can criticize your comments too. And you don?t have any control over where I visit or not. As a Turk you still expect all none Muslims to be subservient to you but those days are long over.

  • 360. 0 0
    David Israel what Hizballah does is also piracy
    • mehmet
    • 05.11.09
    • 17:16

    I did not say Hizballah were no pirates. I just said that what Israel does is piracy because invading and towing a ship in international waters to a port is piracy in legal terms, there is no other legal term for this, if there is, please tell me and I will use that other term instead. Maras-Famagosta case has nothing to do with that. In Cyprus Greeks were killing the minority Turks, I was in Cyprus very recently and through my connections I also was lucky to see Maras which is closed to civilian visits. It was as if it was left yesterday, not a single Turk lives there apart from guarding soldiers. In Cyprus issue I have no compromise to offer. You hate Turks, even though you always claim otherwise, in every single issue, be it Kurdish or Cyprus, you always accuse Turkey. Fine, you do not need Turkey and we do not need you in this case because you do not consider yourself a Turkish citizen, it is your choice. Be happy in US and in occasional visits to your second home israel.

  • 359. 0 0
    Mehmet if this is piracy..
    • David Israel
    • 05.11.09
    • 15:44

    Israel captured arms that were shipped to his enemy who in the past captured its soldiers but instead of keeping them alive according to international conventions killed and returned their body in exchange of a living child murderer Kuntar. There are also UN sanctions against Iran to export arms. It was a legitimate defensive action. On the other hand Turkey had captured the predominantly Greek city Famagusta (Magosa) in Cyprus in 1974. Turkey evacuated the city and until this day it is a Ghost town. The inhabitants cannot return to their own homes. It is considered an illegal occupation by the UN. This is real piracy. When do you think Turkey intends to return the city to its inhabitants?

  • 358. 0 0
    arik Talking thru your hat.
    • CJ
    • 05.11.09
    • 15:34

    "Most of the great world enterprises have been created against the law, or through violations of the existing law." Put ONE up and the laws that existed at the time. It's because the world was lawless that there are laws today. "Nowadays the Goldstone report will probebaly lead to a change or the rules of war." No need. "The pioneers to the change of the rules of law of war is Israel, and that way is contributing with the civilized world in the struggle against terrorism." Uh huh. dream on. Israel can't even get on the UNSC. Do you know why? Something to do with having been over the borders it Declared Sovereignty over when it declared them.

  • 357. 0 0
    Mark of L. #308: I think that's what Al Capone believed as well -
    • ivo
    • 05.11.09
    • 14:25

    if it's all really that relative, why bother w/statements about it at all? the biggest mental nutcases in any psychiatric institution will tell you who the real doctors are (under-cover, of course). no, seriously, the legal question here, albeit formally important, is paramount only to those not happy w/israel scoring big against hezbollah, as in this case when catching them & the iranians red-handed & depriving them of these weapons. isn't that obvious? as for war looming, it's doubtful an operation of his kind could trigger it, so that's really beside the point. & i'm for preventing that war, too. a nice day to ya'.

  • 356. 0 0
    CJ
    • Ishai
    • 05.11.09
    • 09:21

    Is cutting and pasting what I've already posted here all you have left?? "It`s bullshite. There are 200 or more UNSC resolutions against Israel." My point exactly - disproportionate number of UN resolutions against Israel. "The British colonized Australia. Not me." Who cares?? You are living there now and benefitting from it. "Oh goodness, stop scraping the barrel." It's convenient to dismiss a point when it doesn't quite fit in with your "argument". If you care so much about your homeland, go back there to live and protest directly to the Israeli government. You will regain some credibility then.

  • 355. 0 0
    #275 Observer who doesn't know the first thing about ships...
    • S
    • 05.11.09
    • 09:00

    ...but is talking... "you discover a lie by its grandieuse. Hundreds of tons of arms. Wow, the ship itself doesn`t weigh hundreds of tons." (Observer) Stupidity, when written down, defines you (in the cloud) for a long long time ... The ship is a FRANCOP ship 137 m long and 22 m wide. Out of the 400 containers on the ship, 36 contained weapons. (the ship's capacity is much more, 822 TEU). The 36 containers carry about 700 tons of arms. (about 20 tons per container, not including container own weight).

  • 354. 0 0
    Desperate CJ and the empire of law
    • arik
    • 05.11.09
    • 08:58

    Most of the great world enterprises have been created against the law, or through violations of the existing law. Nowadays the Goldstone report will probebaly lead to a change or the rules of war. The pioneers to the change of the rules of law of war is Israel, and that way is contributing with the civilized world in the struggle against terrorism.

  • 353. 0 0
    to Rob from Ann Arbor
    • John The American
    • 05.11.09
    • 08:38

    Wrong Rob I DO know the US has deemed Hamas and Hizbollah terrorist organizations. I also know that they are. However the ship was not bound for Gaza or south Lebonan but for Syria. One could argue the shipment would find its way to these organizations but one could also argue the opposite.

  • 352. 0 0
    BILLYJACK Hezb can blow up US Marines and Jewish buildings
    • PETER SM
    • 05.11.09
    • 08:20

    so no doubt they would grab US ships as well if they could.They are finding it harder to do both.

  • 351. 0 0
    BILLYJACK Hezb can blow up US Marines and Jewish buildings
    • PETER SM
    • 05.11.09
    • 08:20

    so no doubt they would grab US ships as well if they could.They are finding it harder to do both.

  • 350. 0 0
    MEHMET this is war! The last missile from Lebanon into Israel
    • PETER SM
    • 05.11.09
    • 08:16

    was only a short while ago. Would you like Hezb to have enough to start another full on war bombing Israeli civillians so Edrogan can perform on stage if/when Israel retaliates?

  • 349. 0 0
    #242 Lawyer says....
    • Johnboy
    • 05.11.09
    • 08:15

    L: "The article says the captain allowed them to search." And Barak just told the cabinet that the ship tried to evade interception. There is quite some difference between "not resisting men with guns" and "accepting an invitation to dance". That the ship's captain did not resist an armed boarding party is not at all the same as saying that he invited those soldiers to search his ship.

  • 348. 0 0
    sfg - true, you think not!
    • CJ
    • 05.11.09
    • 07:54

    "You don`t seem to understand that the countries which support Hezbollah, Hamas, Fatah etc. were allied to Hitler..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allies_of_World_War_II Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran,

  • 347. 0 0
    YO HO HO
    • NY
    • 05.11.09
    • 07:45

    A pirate's life for me...

  • 346. 0 0
    Michelle UH?
    • CJ
    • 05.11.09
    • 07:44

    " we Australians are getting fed up with the the kind of you who support Muslim terror specially in Australia" Pity I don't. More of a pity that you have to make false accusations, based on NOTHING I've written, said or even thought. False witness is against the basic tenets of our faith, no? Tch tch tch

  • 345. 0 0
    Ishai - Reminders for a bill aren't a new bill.
    • CJ
    • 05.11.09
    • 07:37

    "Go do your homework and you will see that the UN has been and still is by and large a body that has unfairly singled out Israel over the years. This is really not rocket science, it`s common knowledge." It's bullshite. There are 200 or more UNSC resolutions against Israel. Most are only reminders. "The Aboriginals aren`t asking you to leave CJ? Could it be that there just aren`t that many of them left anymore? Hmmm" Oh goodness, stop scraping the barrel. "I`m sorry, but don`t waste your time on these forums, as clearly you should be much more concerned about your country and coming to terms with its past first" A) Israel is my homeland. B) The British colonized Australia. Not me. "There is nothing simple or clear-cut about it, but shallow baseless arguments only inflame it" So stop making them.

  • 344. 0 0
    243 CJK - One's Police Action is Another's War
    • Mark of Lewiston
    • 05.11.09
    • 07:13

    You can consider it as a police action if you like. Iran won't necessarily agree. I'd rather not see a hot war between Iran and Israel. But you may just get your heart's desire. I doubt you'll see the US doing more than missile defense for Israel if it comes down to it.

  • 343. 0 0
    CJ Attacking the enemy weapons supplies is part of war
    • PETER SM
    • 05.11.09
    • 06:25

    Territorial waters have nothing to do with it. Remember WW2?

  • 342. 0 0
    BILLYJACK Hezb can blow up US Marines and Jewish buildings
    • PETER SM
    • 05.11.09
    • 06:02

    No doubt if Hezb. could they would.Their Persian puppet masters attacked British ships on the high seas.

  • 341. 0 0
    MEHMET this is war! The last missile from Lebanon into Israel
    • PETER SM
    • 05.11.09
    • 05:59

    was only a few weeks ago. Would you like them to have more missiles to fire at Israel? Start another open war rather than a low grade one by opening another barrage on Northern Israeli towns so that Edrogan can perform for the media again if Israel retaliates?

  • 340. 0 0
    They condemn Israel in New York while Iran continues to arm its
    • Eitan
    • 05.11.09
    • 05:09

    front troops with weapons of terror and mass murder in full day light. How absurd!!! Let's not allow the years 1938-39 return!!!

  • 339. 0 0
    pissed Iran can no longer ship through Syria, asked for U235
    • Thanksgiving
    • 05.11.09
    • 05:02

    pre positioned in Syria for the 2008 IAF bombed reactor. To no avail. Syria would not return the U235 to Iran. Iran now prefers to ship via Turkeye from the Black Sea. And NATO member Turkeye is spy paradise.

  • 338. 0 0
    Another Israeli act of war! To bad an arms embargo couldn't be
    • jim the mechanic
    • 05.11.09
    • 04:32

    enforced against Israel! This is a war of conquest nothing more! Peace would put a stop to it and what "Patriotic Israeli" could put up with that? G-Ds gift and all.....PEACE EVER?

  • 337. 0 0
    idea
    • Michelle
    • 05.11.09
    • 04:24

    Send the Katusha rockets back to Hezbollah, same way they send it to Israel, let them taste they own medicine, should be fun;))

  • 336. 0 0
    Chris Linthwaite the Terrorist Supporter
    • sfg
    • 05.11.09
    • 04:24

    Chris, the people who were going to receive these weapons have been attacking Israel for years. If Hitler were to receive arms from a third party during WW2, would the US have refrained from preventing the delivery because there was no proof Hitler would use them against us? I think not. You don't seem to understand that the countries which support Hezbollah, Hamas, Fatah etc. were allied to Hitler and are still technically at war with Israel. They declared war in 1948 and NEVER MADE PEACE.

  • 335. 0 0
    kavin
    • Michelle
    • 05.11.09
    • 04:19

    listen to yourself, you should do same reeding and not between the lines with figment of yours imagination???

  • 334. 0 0
    Bilbi - What are you on? Hate pills?
    • CJ
    • 05.11.09
    • 04:16

    "They are so upset when Jews try to defend themselves." Strange... CJ = Concerned Jew. "I dont know what it is about Australia but is it seems that some of the most vicious antisemetism gets spouted from down under. CJ hides under a thin veneer of education but still cannot resist the the constant anti Israeli/Jewish line that he must have learned from his Imam." Care to point this alleged Antisemitism out...thx.. Breaking the law is breaking the law...

  • 333. 0 0
    Chris Linthan and others
    • Michelle
    • 05.11.09
    • 04:13

    fuming at the mouth??? this has really got you!!! Cola Kavod Israeli Navy Just to see this idiots fuming its worthed;)))))

  • 332. 0 0
    Transporting Weapons in a War Zone
    • sfg
    • 05.11.09
    • 04:12

    Hello world, Ever read any history books about what happens to you when you transport weapons to one side or other in a war zone? Does the Lusitania come to mind? Read up on WW1 and WW2 and fighting at sea. The Palestinians are at war with Israel. Listen to their statements and look at their terrorist activities. If a third party wishes to send weapons to the Palestinians, then they have to accept the reality that Israel might not allow their cargo to be delivered. Once again the Peaceful Palestinians have shown their true face.

  • 331. 0 0
    illegal?
    • alberto
    • 05.11.09
    • 04:08

    for something to be illegal then there needs to be a body that defines what is and isn't legal - then has the ability to enforce that law. This is not the UN, which has the gnashing teeth of a 64 year old toothless woman. Was Israel right to seize this ship? in light of no one else protecting them what are they to do? Are Hezbollah wrong to smuggle arms? with no one to protect them, what else are they to do?

  • 330. 0 0
    Ishai - Er the British colonized Australia. That's why there are
    • CJ
    • 05.11.09
    • 04:05

    now laws against the acquisition of territory by war/force. Nothing to do with me or the present Government of Australia.

  • 329. 0 0
    CJ you are one of the desperados!!!
    • Michelle
    • 05.11.09
    • 04:04

    No mater what you are saying it will not help you, as we Australians are getting fed up with the the kind of you who support Muslim terror specially in Australia.We are behind all the way to support Israel, and we will take lessons to get reed of this in here, so mate, watch out here comes Ossie's the genuine ones!!!

  • 328. 0 0
    Gee - Point out where in res 1803
    • CJ
    • 05.11.09
    • 03:56

    "ll these racists.." Save it for Hasbara meetings. "UNSC 1803 gives us the right to board and seize any ships .." In your own ports. http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/Focus/IaeaIran/unsc_res1803-2008.pdf

  • 327. 0 0
    Chilem, chill out
    • Lola
    • 05.11.09
    • 03:53

    if Iran sends all his float, Israel sends his planes. They won the 67 war on 4 fronts, they can win against ships.

  • 326. 0 0
    #206 Untrue, Cipora
    • Johnboy
    • 05.11.09
    • 03:53

    CJK: "Israel seized illegal Iranian arms" In what way are Iranian-manufactured arms "illegal", Cipora? There is a treaty that says that Iran can not have an arms manufacturing industry, is there? CJK: "iran is mandated by chapter vii unscr from exporting arms to any country or group" No, it isn't. The UNSC has mandated to all its memeber states that they must not purchase arms from Iran. It's the difference between "It's illegal for you to sell arms" versus "We aren't buying from the likes of YOU". CJK: "furthermore, israel will continue to seize all weapons destined to terrorists such as hezbollah and hamas. israel is in a state of war with both those groups." Heck, who the hell ISN'T Israel in a "state of war" with, Cipora? And where, exactly, is the evidence that these arms were destined for Hezbollah and not Syria? Is Israel entitled to sieze arms shipments to Syria? And is Syria legally entitled to return the favour?

  • 325. 0 0
    #26 Daniel and the Law of the Sea - Israeli version!
    • PADDY
    • 05.11.09
    • 03:43

    Does this "LAW" extend to the Syrians, Egyptians, Turks etc? Can they stop and search ships bound for Israel? OR, is this another case of Israel "selecting" the International Law which suits them?

  • 324. 0 0
    ChanahS The UNSC says Gaza and the West Bank ARE occupied.
    • CJ
    • 05.11.09
    • 03:36

    http://www0.un.org/News/Press/docs/2009/sc9567.doc.htm The Security Council ? ?Recalling all of its relevant resolutions, including resolutions 242 (1967), 338 (1973), 1397 (2002), 1515 (2003) and 1850 (2008), ?Stressing that the Gaza Strip constitutes an integral part of the territory occupied in 1967 and will be a part of the Palestinian state,

  • 323. 0 0
    International Law vs Human Rights
    • Lola
    • 05.11.09
    • 03:35

    Most commentators feel it's right for this ship to lie on their manifest & transport massive amounts of arms to be ultimately used against civilians by a militia, as long as International maritime law is respected . Israel was right to stop this ship and prevent Human Rights of civilians in Israel and Lebanon to be violated and crimes against humanity to be perpetrated.

  • 322. 0 0
    #194 Nice try, Gee, but no banana
    • Johnboy
    • 05.11.09
    • 03:35

    G: "UNSC 1803 gives us the right to board and seize any ships carrying any armaments from Iran regardless of the group getting those weapons." Gee is relying on this paragraph: "Calls upon all States, in accordance with their national legal authorities and legislation and consistent with international law, in particular the law of the sea and relevant international civil aviation agreements, to inspect the cargoes to and from Iran, of aircraft and vessels, at their airports and seaports, owned or operated by Iran Air Cargo and Islamic Republic of Iran Shipping Line, provided there are reasonable grounds to believe that the aircraft or vessel is transporting goods prohibited under this resolution or resolution 1737 (2006) or resolution 1747 (2007);" The key phrase that makes Gee's argument fall is this: "at their airports and seaports" This ship was not docked at an Israeli seaport, and so 1803 does NOT authorize Israel to inspect this ship for ANY reason.

  • 321. 0 0
    David Israel - only if what Israel says is true...
    • CJ
    • 05.11.09
    • 03:34

    "If this was not an arms shipment then one could have raised the issue of piracy, legality but in this case everything is against Iran and Hezbollah." It's only Israel saying they were arms for Hezbollah. Israel has a well documented record of lies going back to 1948.

  • 320. 0 0
    Israeliguy uh? You're seeing things?
    • CJ
    • 05.11.09
    • 03:30

    "how can seizing weapons which can potentially start a new war in the hands of Hezzbollah and co be stupid in any way???" I said it was stupid? Where?

  • 319. 0 0
    #139 That is untrue on several levels, jason
    • Johnboy
    • 05.11.09
    • 03:22

    j: "UN Resolutions made it illegal for Iran to export arms to hez" Point one: UN resolutions can not make anything "illegal", jason, because the UN is neither a world legislature nor a world court. Point Two: 1701 "decided" that nobody should ship weapons to Lebanon EXCEPT under the "authority of the Lebanese govt", but it is left entirely up to the Lebanese govt to decide what constitutes "authorization". So if the Lebanese govt is cool with the idea that Hezbollah can be armed then your argument falls to the ground. Point Three: 1701 says NOTHING about any enforcement mechanisms, and so there is NOTHING in 1701 that says that Israel can sieze such arms. Indeed, I suspect that Israel is LEGALLY obliged to hand these weapons to the Lebanese govt. After all, that's what UNIFIL does.

  • 318. 0 0
    DELUSION OF A DEMILITARIZED PALESTINE
    • Steve of Mevaserret
    • 05.11.09
    • 03:20

    The Lesson from Gaza has yet to be learned by many Israelis. Either we are in control of Judea or Samaria or Hamas armed with Iranian weapons will take control.

  • 317. 0 0
    "OBSERVER" NOT MATHEMATICIAN
    • Brant
    • 05.11.09
    • 03:13

    You're right, the ship does not weigh hundreds of tons. It actually weighs thousands of tons. A small cargo vessel such as the one intercepted will weighh, with full cargo, ballast, full water tanks etc abouw 20,000-24,000 DWT (that stands for deat weight tons) Sorry, Observer. Back to ship school before you observe in error again.

  • 316. 0 0
    #11 Simply untrue, An Israeli
    • Johnboy
    • 05.11.09
    • 03:07

    AI: "Res 1701 calls for Hezbollah to be disarmed" No, it does not. It calls for Hezbollah to STOP SHOOTING, and it calls for the area south of the Litani River to be free of all arms except for: 1) Those of UNIFIL and 2) Any that are "authorized by the Lebanese government". It is left entirely to the Lebanese govt to decide who is (and who is not) "authorized" to hold those arms, and to decide what form that "authorization" should take. It isn't up to UNIFIL, the UNSC, the Israeli govt - or to you - to make that decision on their behalf.

  • 315. 0 0
    #104 Nice try, Ran
    • Johnboy
    • 05.11.09
    • 03:01

    But if the ship broke the Treaty of Constantinople then that is an issue for the Egyptian government to enforce, not for the IDF. The IDF is not authorized by that Treaty to sieze any vessels that violate any of those articles, and it is beyond chutzpah for you to claim that it does. The offense - if any - is against EGYPT, and its restitution lies with the EGYPTIANS. The Israeli navy has no more authority in such a matter than does the Swiss navy....

  • 314. 0 0
    243 CJK - One's Police Action is Another's War
    • Mark of Lewiston
    • 05.11.09
    • 02:40

    You can view it perfectly well as a police action. Iran can just as legitimately view it as an act of war. It is all in the perspective. Personally I'd just as soon not see a hot war between Iran and Israel. But you may get your wish.

  • 313. 0 0
    Unbelievable -- know much about ships?
    • bbl
    • 05.11.09
    • 02:32

    Any ship designed to carry cargo can carry many times it's own weight. That being said, there is something odd about the 40 crates at 300 tons a piece. that's 12,000 tons -or- 24 million pounds. Does seem like something doesn't add up. However, your assumption that the whole thing is a lie, as opposed to a typo or misstatement about the weight of each container, is an over reach.

  • 312. 0 0
    re 179 We did have that law
    • alan the real one
    • 05.11.09
    • 02:28

    for 2000 years

  • 311. 0 0
    #275 Observer
    • Mike B
    • 05.11.09
    • 01:45

    No, it is YOU who is unbelievable. The MV Francop's maximum safe weight is 8622 tonnes, including cargo, fuel, fresh water, ballast water, provisions, passengers and crew.

  • 310. 0 0
    Congratulations IDF !
    • Fortuna Benmayor
    • 05.11.09
    • 01:31

    May it be able to abort all shipments from Iran and Syria to terrorists who want to murder Israeli citizens randomly. Maythe US, Russia, China, the EU and the entire international community put their hipocrisy aside, and confront the world's first sponsor of terrorism as it should and must be done for teh sake of all.

  • 309. 0 0
    #278 Murray of Montreal: UN Resolutions?
    • Apa
    • 05.11.09
    • 01:11

    Since when did they hold any form of significance for Israel?

  • 308. 0 0
    Finkelstein's show us the weapons.
    • Philippe
    • 05.11.09
    • 01:09

    Go to any US news site like MSNBC and you'll see them.

  • 307. 0 0
    chanah
    • stella westwell
    • 05.11.09
    • 00:53

    I was referring to where it was attacked by pirates, dahling.

  • 306. 0 0
    Silver-in, having a bad day?
    • Dan
    • 05.11.09
    • 00:43

  • 305. 0 0
    Mehmet - WOW
    • David Israel
    • 05.11.09
    • 00:29

    If intercepting arms to enemy is piracy pleae explain to me this: What is to kick out hundresds of thousands of Greek people from their homes in Famagusta (Magosa) since 1974 and keep it as a ghost city ever since? The war in Cyprus ended over 30 years ago. When will Turkey allow the Cypriot Greek to return to their homes in Famagusta? This is not just piracy but theft in th egreatest way. Soon many Cypriot Greeks wil lstart to sue Turkey on this matter just like the Louzidou case and then your government will come begging again Israel and the ADL which you don't like, to help.

  • 304. 0 0
    Well done Israel.
    • Jan Vlaming
    • 05.11.09
    • 00:29

  • 303. 0 0
    Iran has over involved itself
    • Peter Williams
    • 05.11.09
    • 00:28

    These weapons are not supplied to sovereign countries in arms length transactions. They are supplied to organisations that only exist because of Iran. These organisations are the manifestation of Iranian foreign policy in the region, they ARE Iran. Israel already has its Casus Belli. It will start with Hezbollah and Hamas but will very quickly be extended to include the puppetmaster Iran.

  • 302. 0 0
    Good Job Israel
    • you watch for our
    • 05.11.09
    • 00:26

    back - Thank you - keep up the good job.

  • 301. 0 0
    #120 Rob
    • BDS
    • 05.11.09
    • 00:25

    Sorry to disappoint you, Rob, but US law governs only the US, not the rest of the world.

  • 300. 0 0
  • 299. 0 0
    I say
    • Anwar
    • 05.11.09
    • 00:20

    Who gave Israel the job of being police of international waters, whatever the ship is carrying, was it in Israeli waters or that doesn't matter anymore,

  • 298. 0 0
    For Unbelievable, Believe it... stats on the Francop
    • Jacob Blues
    • 05.11.09
    • 00:18

    Thanks to the Containership register, here are the stats on the UFS vessel the Francop. IMO number: 9277412 Call sign: MBNL6 Length: 137,50 m Width: 21,30 m Depth: 9,36 m gross tonnage: 7519 ton Nrt: 3570 ton deadweight: 8622 ton Cargo particulars: Capacity: 864 teu Reefer capacity: 150 teu For those not familiar with shipping terms, the abbreviation TEU stands for twenty-foot equivalent unit, meaning how many 20-foot containers the ship can hold.

  • 297. 0 0
    The Muslim-Arab bloc in the UN
    • Yonatan
    • 04.11.09
    • 23:57

    is like the Haredi-Shas bloc in the Israeli Knesset. Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.

  • 296. 0 0
    `Look what I found` is the key
    • TonyL
    • 04.11.09
    • 23:54

    Look at who the `piracy at high sees` and `act of war` is comeing from. The fact of the matter is Israel is not runsacking ship after ship in hopes of funding weapons. `Coincidentally`, they runsacked the ship they needed to runsack and found precisely what they wanted to find. That is the very good intelligence at work, the only thing that counts & matters here. That what keeps the ones who make the difference when they speak, mum (and deep down happy for Israel doing what they in theory should be doing), and drives `unhappy` with Israel nuts. In reality, would it be better if Israel had a concrete tip and thought about `piracies & acts of war` in letting weapons go? Of course not. Well, here is to Israel seazing all the weapons bound from Iran they can seaze and not worry about all the mumblings, rumblings & finger pointing at Israel from the `unhappy`. The constructive arguments in the cases like this are moote. How can it be spelled any easier?

  • 295. 0 0
    get over it 172
    • ChanahS
    • 04.11.09
    • 23:32

    The only thing Lebanon should be doing to defend itself is getting rid of war monegring terrorist groups who care more about destroying Israel than about keeping Lebanon and the Lebanese safe.

  • 294. 0 0
    mark,mark mark so foolish
    • bill
    • 04.11.09
    • 23:31

    If your so concerned why not speak out for the Coptic Christians that are being abused in Egypt? Oh thats right,that is not politically correct.Try for once to be fair to all sides.

  • 293. 0 0
    CJ In war enemy shipping is attacked especially arms carriers
    • PETER SM
    • 04.11.09
    • 23:30

    Territorial waters have nothing to do with it.Heard about the Second World War ?

  • 292. 0 0
    #272 Yakov
    • Chris Linthwaite
    • 04.11.09
    • 23:12

    Actually in my post to S I was inferring that the transportation of such a large shipment which simply by the geographical position of Lebanon means that it would have to sail past Israel is simply illogical. Especially now the UN has banned Iran shipping arms. Also why risk loading these weapons on to this ship in Egypt? Sorry, but a train ride from Iran through turkey in sealed containers is a more logical route, even the long way round through Russia, afterall there is no rush at the moment. I just think the whole thing is suspicious

  • 291. 0 0
    Phooebe Bing 215 - what international law would
    • Chanahs
    • 04.11.09
    • 23:08

    that be?

  • 290. 0 0
    #278 Murray of Montreal
    • Chris Linthwaite
    • 04.11.09
    • 23:07

    What if these weapons systems were destined for Syria. You are making assumptions. Besides an easy way round that would be to give the money to Syria and get them to buy the missiles etc from Russia.

  • 289. 0 0
    #7 Chris Linthwaite
    • Murray of Montreal
    • 04.11.09
    • 22:50

    Only a complete imbecile would be unaware that there are UN resolutions in effect that bar Iran from shipping weapons to both Hamas and Hezbollah.

  • 288. 0 0
    chilem 203
    • ChanahS
    • 04.11.09
    • 22:50

    Israel and Lebanon were good neighbors until terrorists used Lebanon to launch attacks onIsraeli civilians. Hizbollah is not the first group of terrorists in Lebanon.

  • 287. 0 0
    Wise to tow such a ship into harbor? Ships are slow-moving ICBMs
    • Stephen in New York
    • 04.11.09
    • 22:49

    Wise to tow such a ship into harbor? Ships are slow-moving ICBMs.

  • 286. 0 0
    Unbelievable
    • Observer
    • 04.11.09
    • 22:47

    you discover a lie by its grandieuse. Hundreds of tons of arms. Wow, the ship itself doesn't weigh hundreds of tons.

  • 285. 0 0
    mariapalestina 198
    • ChanahS
    • 04.11.09
    • 22:46

    How do you think it got from Iran to the Med Sea, dahling?

  • 284. 0 0
    ship was meant to be discovered
    • watcher
    • 04.11.09
    • 22:41

    guess what the two other ships carried?

  • 283. 0 0
    Chris Linthwaite
    • Yakov
    • 04.11.09
    • 22:36

    Wow Chris do you realize just what you have been denying until now? Your statement Iran must have found a way of doing it- meaning smuggling - 40,000 rockets don?t just appear out of thin air proves that Israel was more than justified in searching and seizing the arms shipment. Your constant encouragement to kill innocent civilian Israelis is highly enlightening as is always the case in your Talkbacks. May I remind you and the readers that not all victims of the Hezbollah in 2006 were Jews but there were several Moslem and Christian Arabs who were also murdered.

  • 282. 0 0
    # 265 Proud Israeli
    • The Teacher/Instruct
    • 04.11.09
    • 22:36

    # 265 Proud Israeli, It was Truman. Not Roosevelt. Roosevelt died before the end of WW2 & Truman automatically became President. But otherwise ,a good post.

  • 281. 0 0
    Clear skys - Clear seas
    • audDocd
    • 04.11.09
    • 22:31

    Kol Hakavod. Intercept sources of terror wherever they can be found.

  • 280. 0 0
    This is piracy
    • mehmet
    • 04.11.09
    • 22:29

    There is no other technical term to explain this event. This is plain piracy.

  • 279. 0 0
    To: Colin Wright 241 (Wrong As Usual)
    • SJC
    • 04.11.09
    • 22:27

    "Even the usually loyal New York Times can`t help pointing out that Israel has yet to offer any proof that there were indeed weapons on board the ship. This could be awkward. If Israel keeps the ship for a week and then finally produces the weapons, it won`t be very convincing" You won?t have to wait not even a week! Go see the pictures posted by Haaretz under " WATCH: Video of Israel Navy commandeering arms ship" You will see all kinds of weapons aboard the ship with international journalists taking pictures of them. Next time do your homework instead of stupidly and falsely accusing Israel. ?To be ignorant of one's ignorance is the malady of the ignorant.? - Amos Bronson Alcott

  • 278. 0 0
    UN2here254
    • jeff
    • 04.11.09
    • 22:18

    Israel offered the return of the Golan Heights, Syria rejected it. Your not getting it back now.

  • 277. 0 0
    Simple lesson
    • RfaelMoshe
    • 04.11.09
    • 22:13

    There is a simple lesson here, when Israel was pressured by the international community ninto withdrawing from Lebanon before an conditonal surrender by Hezbollah, it guaranteed a future war with Hezbollah. Same thing with Gaza. Mao said that, "any war not fought to conclusion is a war that will have to be fought again." As to "international law", has anyone noticed that to our regular Israel bashers, ANYTHING that Israel does or doesn't do is interpreted by them as a violation of "international law." The real message is that to them, Israel's continued existance as a Jewish nation is against their beliefs, not "iternational law."

  • 276. 0 0
    To "American" #112
    • Proud Israeli
    • 04.11.09
    • 22:08

    Where am I a hypocrite "American"? I am extremely happy that the UN resolved to allow the creation of Israel. But that was in 1948, and the decision was on the backdrop of the holocaust. But the most honorable aspirations that lead to the establishment of the UN (championed by your President Franklin D. Roosevelt) have over the years turned into petty political horse-trading by partisan coalition groups, one of the strongest one of these being the Arab block of Nations, that steamroll the drafting of just about every Anti-Israel resolution that one could possibly imagine. Non democratic dictatorships (such as Iran and Lybia) are voted in to head human rights committees to find... surprise surprise that Israel is guilty of human rights abuse. Then good people like you "American" are blinded by their findings, because you believe that the UN is still like it was back in the good old days of Roosevelt...Today the UN has deteriorated into a shameful shadow of what it once was.

  • 275. 0 0
    can hezba pull over american ships to israel?
    • billy jack
    • 04.11.09
    • 22:07

    Or is this the case of jews having the right of passage?

  • 274. 0 0
    Poor Linthwait et al
    • leoblue
    • 04.11.09
    • 22:07

    So sue us. So Israel 'pirated' an Iranian arms shipment in international waters. Ain't that a shame. I suggest you write a strong letter to your Congressman. Why waste your effort on Haaretz Talkback? I'm sure a letter to Obama will get the results you want. Or will it? Tuff patutti. The bottom line is that Isreal is still in a 'state of war' with Syria, Lebanon and Iran. So anything like this action is LEGAL. So stop whining.

  • 273. 0 0
    @233 Hezbollah is part of the Lebanese Government
    • Marc Leb
    • 04.11.09
    • 22:06

    Do you not read the news? The thing is that the antigua ship was heading for Syria, I just don't get it that the commander of the operation will want to the throw the "H" word in there. It seems like they want to boost Israeli morale for the upcoming War Crimes tribunal, anything to distract the public away from the "real" crimes

  • 272. 0 0
    ARMS SHIP
    • SAM
    • 04.11.09
    • 22:05

    100 Miles off the coast of ISrael near Cyprus, why are they traveling so far out to see. IS that there business to do that. If Syria is receiving weapons, why is it ISraels business. Is no country but Israel allowed to buy military equipment to defend themselves. Only questions.

  • 271. 0 0
    Great job IDF!
    • 4:20
    • 04.11.09
    • 21:54

  • 270. 0 0
    Israei Intercepts Iranian arms bound for Lebanon
    • Donald
    • 04.11.09
    • 21:46

    Kudos to the Israeli military!. Israel has every right to protect itself anywhere, anytime a threat to its existence is perceived. The state of Israel shall live for ever.

  • 269. 0 0
    The Irani ship
    • Elia
    • 04.11.09
    • 21:27

    I think every state has a right to save the national secure and to defend the sovernighty of the land. If this Irani Ship being filled with arms and weapons to Syria and Hezbollah ,and as we know both are enemies to Israel . This Ship must be stopped not infront at the Israeli water but every where around the world.

  • 268. 0 0
    #232 From a pragmatical standpoint, the
    • Ardi
    • 04.11.09
    • 21:24

    Israelis did secure the whole operation following their own intentions. The IDF History is full of many examples. Fact is, the ship was not in the area of operation of the maritime component of UNIFIL. But this component consists of just NATO ships. Fine piece of work, from intelligence to the GRID workers to say it simple.

  • 267. 0 0
    to 259 South Lebanon
    • Ran
    • 04.11.09
    • 21:23

    Yes, seeing all these weapons Israel should think several times before starting war "war is hell". But your problem is that on your side the thinking is done in Iran and they do not give a piece of ...... about your life and property. Do you as a Lebanese like wars? did not you have as much as you can take? do you think at all? And for the Palestinians who comented about the ship not being in the canal. The ship by forging documents like a bill of lading and manifest and insurence papers while carrying ammo. illegally in the canal became a criminal ship according to international law, it had to be stopped and searched. That was done with the agreement of the captain which made every thing 100% legal. As there were no papers about the weapons and ammo. nobody can claim them, that is what all these papers are for to begin with. I have sailed on merchant ships for years. It suit every body to day that the crew did not know that they were carrying weapons and ammo. a nice white lie

  • 266. 0 0
    The Arms Trade is...
    • Ehud
    • 04.11.09
    • 21:16

    legal. Even if it is to people with whom you disagree. Time for Israel to abide by international law, not dictate it with impunity. Especially not to kill women and children in G'ds's name. Shame!

  • 265. 0 0
    Chris LintTwitter (#98)
    • Gil
    • 04.11.09
    • 21:14

    Chris LintTwitter All you care is did Israel act legally in capturing this ship Well Chris one thing is for sure Iran acted illegally in passing weapons as that country is band from doing so by the UN! What should concern you more, is the way those Arms were passed, The ship Israel captured, was passing Arms as a Civilian Cargo, Do you think it is OK that a Cargo that contains weapons and explosives is handled as regular Cargo? Do you know what measures and strict regulations are taken to pass Arms by ship? What measures and strict regulations are taken when such a ship is entering a harbor? Passing Arms as a Civilian Cargo, is dangerous to the ship, dangerous to the unsuspecting ship crew, dangerous to the ship, dangerous to passing ships, dangerous to those who handle the cargo when uploading or downloading it, dangerous to the harbor, and most of all `ILLEGAL` Does that not concern you Chris LintTwitter?

  • 264. 0 0
    172# Lebanon wouldnt need to defend itself
    • Israeliguy
    • 04.11.09
    • 21:10

    If Hezzbollah didnt keep attacking Israel in the first place.

  • 263. 0 0
    What un2here believes
    • SDHD
    • 04.11.09
    • 20:57

    "I have my version of the story of -67," And it's YOUR version -- but not reality. "the preparations and the aftermath from Moshe Dayan. I believe in him and not in you." Rockets and air raids had been coming in from Syria. Syria wasn't sitting there doing "nothing" as you said. You are misrepresenting history, fabricating your own version of it, and claiming that Dayan is the author. Try being honest. It's very well known that attacks were coming from Syria before Israel engaged.

  • 262. 0 0
    DELUSION OF A DEMILITARIZED PALESTINE
    • Steve of Mevaserret
    • 04.11.09
    • 20:57

    Lessons from Gaza applied to Judea and Samaria by the present Israeli Government will ultimately lead to expanded settlement activity in our historical homeland in order to achieve peace between Israel and its neighbors. Creation of an independent Palestinian State in Judea and Samaria will result in a Hamas takeover and a flood of Iranian weapons perpetuating an unending conflict.

  • 261. 0 0
    Are there pictures of the weapons available ?
    • Roland Burger
    • 04.11.09
    • 20:54

    On that single picture which seems to show the cargo of the vessel, I cannot detect anything weapon-like, an the pic is too small. Could you please show detailed pictures of the cargo ?

  • 260. 0 0
    Welshman #244 I will call you ignorant
    • Gee
    • 04.11.09
    • 20:53

    'Where exactly, did it say that these arms (are they actually illegal?) were addressed to?' UNSC 1803 makes them illegal to EXPORT to ANYBODY. 'Why exactly was Israel siezing this ship off the cyprus coast?' Because of tens of thousands of terrorist atatcks, that is why. 'Why is the PM having a media orgy on board it immediately before a UN vote?' Because the Israeli Navy proved that Iran is continuing to export terrorism. 'I appreciate Iranian arms are Iranian arms BUT if they were destined to a legit customer then does ISrael offer an apology or will countries in the region carry out the same actions?' Go ahead and try. According the UN there is NO legit customers for Iranian weapons. 'It seems to me that a whole host of international laws were intentionally broken here simply to avoid yet another moral vote in the UN and deflect attention away from Israel.' Wrong again. Proof - look at the pictures.

  • 259. 0 0
    arms shipments r same as drugs shipments
    • south lebanon
    • 04.11.09
    • 20:50

    the navy will only catch a fraction of what gets through. anyway there is plenty more where that came from. And by the amount they say they found destined to protect and strengthen Lebanon If I was an Israeli I'd think twice about starting a war again Shalom

  • 258. 0 0
    172 get over yourself
    • Viewer
    • 04.11.09
    • 20:41

    Yes lebanon has a rigth to defend itself just like any other country in the world including Isreal, to your dislike,but does it have the right to incite another lebanon war by backing a terrorist group by letting them get their hands on these weapons. Be glad Israel caught them before they where used against Israel, which would had let to another war with your dear lebanon, and don't you believe for a second the UN will save your asses next time like they did last time...

  • 257. 0 0
    The best thing about this story
    • Bilbi
    • 04.11.09
    • 20:39

    The best thing about this whole story is how upset and pissed off both Chris Linthwaite and CJ get. They are so upset when Jews try to defend themselves. They would really like us to sit back and abide by all the rules and regulations while getting blown to pieces. Chris says he is a teacher but still has time to post hundreds of messages every day on every subject to an Israeli/Jewish newspaper. The only thing he must teach is how to survive on the dole and to get somebody else to pay for his drinks. I dont know what it is about Australia but is it seems that some of the most vicious antisemetism gets spouted from down under. CJ hides under a thin veneer of education but still cannot resist the the constant anti Israeli/Jewish line that he must have learned from his Imam. Folks let me give it to you straight.You all can bitch, complain, whine and generally hate us. I dont care what UN resolution we break as long as my country and family are protected from your blood lust friends.

  • 256. 0 0
    excuse me...
    • S
    • 04.11.09
    • 20:38

    "...the ship had been carrying 40 containers filled with 300 tons of weapons each,..." There are 2 sizes of containers - 24 tons or 30 tons "each"...

  • 255. 0 0
    so what? 100s of tons weapons ship to Israel monthly from USA,
    • Avram
    • 04.11.09
    • 20:37

    Another ridiculous Robinhood adventure by IDF. For every ship you "catch" 100s are making their way through. Things that are to be taken care of at the highest levels of diplomacy are being handled at the last level of muscle. What can you expect when Israel appoints bouncers for FMs?

  • 254. 0 0
    @SDHD
    • un2here
    • 04.11.09
    • 20:35

    I have my version of the story of -67, the preparations and the aftermath from Moshe Dayan. I believe in him and not in you.

  • 253. 0 0
    234Yon. "My wish is that your countries be endangered like ours"
    • bat yam
    • 04.11.09
    • 20:33

    They and their countries are endangered. Unfortunately, they are so consumed with hate towards us or just too stupid

  • 252. 0 0
    to Jaap #239
    • The Swede
    • 04.11.09
    • 20:32

    Do you mean in the same way that Holland should have given their Jews out to Hitler in order so Holland wold not be harmed?

  • 251. 0 0
    #241 Colin Wrong again
    • Yonatan
    • 04.11.09
    • 20:32

    Watch the video in the next article. Oops! You'll probably claim it was fabricated.

  • 250. 0 0
    Clearly...
    • Ishai
    • 04.11.09
    • 20:24

    ...the same people who are against this raid will be satisfied when Israel is forced to target aerially those same missile emplacements which no doubt will have been deliberately positioned in densely populated urban areas amongst civilians and which are aimed at Israeli civilian population centres, won't they?

  • 249. 0 0
    bad news good news
    • klod168
    • 04.11.09
    • 20:23

    Enfin une bonne nouvelle! remaining is a very little probem how to intercept the IRAN's Atomic weapons ? Salut Ai shalom salam

  • 248. 0 0
    oh dear oh dear oh dear
    • Ilan
    • 04.11.09
    • 20:23

    Mr. Wright do you also believe the moon landing was a hoax as well? Oh right, it wasn't done by those joos

  • 247. 0 0
    #239 Jaap of Groningen
    • Yonatan
    • 04.11.09
    • 20:21

    Do you know that in a few years' time your country will be ruled by Shari'a law? Enjoy your freedom while it lasts. Orientalist Bernard Lewis wites that by the end of this century, Europe will be Moslem. Just think of that!

  • 246. 0 0
    CJ
    • Ishai
    • 04.11.09
    • 20:20

    Yes CJ! Go do your homework and you will see that the UN has been and still is by and large a body that has unfairly singled out Israel over the years. This is really not rocket science, it's common knowledge. You Idiots?? i am living in a country that is only now coming to terms with the shameful part of its past, and I can assure you that there is nothing quick or easy about that process. A process Australia hasn't even began thinking about. The Aboriginals aren't asking you to leave CJ? Could it be that there just aren't that many of them left anymore? Hmmm I'm sorry, but don't waste your time on these forums, as clearly you should be much more concerned about your country and coming to terms with its past first. You need a much deeper understanding of this conflict going on here. There is nothing simple or clear-cut about it, but shallow baseless arguments only inflame it. Maybe your argument is well-meaning, but it needs more balance and understanding.

  • 245. 0 0
  • 244. 0 0
    Call me naiive but...
    • Welshman
    • 04.11.09
    • 20:18

    Where exactly, did it say that these arms (are they actually illegal?) were addressed to? Why exactly was Israel siezing this ship off the cyprus coast? Why is the PM having a media orgy on board it immediately before a UN vote? I appreciate Iranian arms are Iranian arms BUT if they were destined to a legit customer then does ISrael offer an apology or will countries in the region carry out the same actions? It seems to me that a whole host of international laws were intentionally broken here simply to avoid yet another moral vote in the UN and deflect attention away from Israel. A lot of questions need to be answered but with the blinkered media frenzy on what some paranoid Israelis think without any proof? Worrying times

  • 243. 0 0
    #228, Mark, you are the one confused
    • Cipora Julianna Kohn
    • 04.11.09
    • 20:14

    1 iran is under chapter vii unscr mandate prohibiting it from exporting arms. 2 iran has been waging a proxy war against israel for many years, and this war has been accelerating for the past decade. 3 a sovereign country has the right to self defence. it has the right to seize weapons destined to those who are at war with her. this right includes the seizure of weapons on the high seas. 4 threats from you that iran will "object and with force of arms if they so decide," are absolutely risible. iran is waging a war on israel from the north and from the south. iran is building a nuclear and ballistic missile arsenal with hostile intentions against israel.

  • 242. 0 0
    Not an act of war or piracy
    • lawyer
    • 04.11.09
    • 20:14

    The article says the captain allowed them to search.

  • 241. 0 0
    Oh dear
    • Colin Wright
    • 04.11.09
    • 20:11

    Even the usually loyal New York Times can't help pointing out that Israel has yet to offer any proof that there were indeed weapons on board the ship. This could be awkward. If Israel keeps the ship for a week and then finally produces the weapons, it won't be very convincing.

  • 240. 0 0
    UN2here living in a complete fantasyland
    • SDHD
    • 04.11.09
    • 20:08

    "No it was not Syria who attacked in -67. Yes, it was. "Israel attacked" Egypt "attacked" Israel by implementing a blockade. Israel struck EGYPT militarily after negotiations failed. Jordan and Syria attacked Israel. "totally unprovoked by Syria who had not engaged in any of the hostilities up to that point" Either you are a liar, or completely clueless. Take your pick.

  • 239. 0 0
    Why does Israel behave hostile?
    • Jaap
    • 04.11.09
    • 20:07

    Why does Israel behave hostile towards Hezbollah? Seizing their weapons only serves to provoke them. The best way for Israel to handle Hezbollah is to take away any legitimisation (vis-a-vis its fellow Lebanese) that Hezbollah has for maintaining its military forces. That means: disengage from Sheeba Farms, and release all Lebanese prisoners in Israeli jails that Hezbollah considers freedom fighters. Israel should remember that the Lebanese shiites welcomed them in 1982 with flowers, and that Hezbollah is a resistance force against the Israeli occupation. If Israel does not provoke Hezbollah, it will not hurt Israeli's.

  • 238. 0 0
    Chilem and root causes
    • SDHD
    • 04.11.09
    • 20:06

    "israel is trying to make it seem like they are defending themselves but everyone knows that the occupation of lebanon started way before hezbolla was even formed," And everyone knows that the PLO was firing rockets into Israel from Lebanon before Israel entered Lebanon. At least, in this case, Israel is preventing Hezbollah from doing the very same thing again. THINK instead of being a knee-jerking, anti-Israeli.

  • 237. 0 0
    #212 S
    • Chris Linthwaite
    • 04.11.09
    • 20:04

    Yep got my Times Atlas to make sure it was possible before suggesting it. Not sure if there are agreements in that area of the world particularly Turkey to allow sealed containers through like in Europe. But it is all perfectley possible I suppose, and with Turkey moving away from Israel and towards it's meighbour not beyond the realms of possibility either. Besides Iran must have found a way of doing it 40,000 rockets don't just appear out of thin air.

  • 236. 0 0
    218 Zoe - The next time the ship will be bombed
    • Yonatan
    • 04.11.09
    • 19:59

    So don't worry, none of our boys will be hurt.

  • 235. 0 0
    ODP1 #219
    • Brant
    • 04.11.09
    • 19:58

    Neither the clarity of your statement; nor the truth that it and the back-up you provide, mean a thing to all the Israel-haters writing in today. As is always the case, Haazretz is publishing their innvective in a roughly 4:1 ratio against those of us trying to side with the sanity of Israel stopping this ship before hundreds would have been killed were the weapons to have been used against Israel and were Israel to have retaliated with its usual ferocity.

  • 234. 0 0
    The dogs bark and the caravan passes by
    • Yonatan
    • 04.11.09
    • 19:56

    Keep on barking, dogsl our armed forces have a mission to execute - defending our nation. So you can provide the background music, Johnboy, CJ, Nitwit (err.. Linthwaite). My wish is that your countries be endangered like ours.

  • 233. 0 0
    Hizbollah are terrorists
    • bgfromgb
    • 04.11.09
    • 19:55

    @ Chris Linthwaite So if Israel won`t abide by 1701 why should Hezbollah? Because Hizbollah are not the Government of the day, have never taken part in the country's election, do not have official representation in the UN and are not representative of the Lebanese people

  • 232. 0 0
    What is UNIFIL doing????
    • Philippe
    • 04.11.09
    • 19:52

    It is UNIFIL mandate and job to stop arms shipments to Hizbullah.

  • 231. 0 0
    israel is receiving weapon shipments too
    • ClearCut
    • 04.11.09
    • 19:52

    and those are meant to hurt our civilians and destroy our cities. an eye for an eye! these are your words.. no?

  • 230. 0 0
    Not an act of war either.
    • Del-Ray
    • 04.11.09
    • 19:51

    When you espouse laws, try to remember ALL of them. Israel ASKED to inspect the cargo, which is legal. The crew, apparently not knowing they were hauling ILLEGAL ARMS said sure. If they had said no, Israel then would have been out of luck. They would have then asked the port the boat arrived at to do the inspection. The inspection found the arms, and they were seized. All LEGAL. If the arms had been part of listed cargo, then Israel could not have taken them. Unless there is a UN mandate that no arms can be shipped to Syria. Which I don't know if that's case or not. So sorry guys. This was all legal. Maybe... I don't know... Iran can stop trying to ships weapons to Hezbollah? Then things like this would not happen?

  • 229. 0 0
    The bullies in action again!
    • Pablo Luis
    • 04.11.09
    • 19:51

    Congratulations! I see that Israel doesn't respect any international or Cypriot waters. The bullies back in action.

  • 228. 0 0
    183 Sylvia - You Seem Confused
    • Mark of Lewiston
    • 04.11.09
    • 19:47

    Iran is a country. Hezbollah is a NGO closely associated with a country's government. Hamas is an NGO and de facto government of a territory under occupation. None of them have anything to do, however with ownership of the ship in question or the flag it flies. Antigua is a country whose flag the ship flew. Israel may be acting in what it considers self-defense. But that action does not make its Navy some form of police agency on the high seas. If Iran and Antigua decide to, they have the right to object and with force of arms if they so decide, just as Israel decided to act with force of arms. The US Navy does this stuff more often. And when it does, it risks war, too, because those whose ships are seized can object and they might by force of arms.

  • 227. 0 0
    Not piracy, completely legal.
    • Del-Ray
    • 04.11.09
    • 19:44

    In international waters they CAN flag down and inspect boats, as long as the crew accepts. This crew did. Once illegal arms are found then they can seize them. Do you CARE about the civilians these arms would have killed at all?

  • 226. 0 0
    Neither piracy nor an act of war
    • ODP1
    • 04.11.09
    • 19:34

    The UN has put sanctions on Iran including not allowing them to transfer weapons. In March, the US captured an Iranian ship(I understood it was in international waters) and forced it to go to a port in Cyprus. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123673405099190313.html

  • 225. 0 0
    The next Iranian ship will be booby trapped
    • zoe
    • 04.11.09
    • 19:34

    The Israeli's better be aware of Booby Traps if there is a next time and I'm sure there will be .The Iranians will place explosive devices that will destroy both the ship and any Israel who boards it.

  • 224. 0 0
    Armchair terrorists we should wait until they shoot Tel Aviv
    • Dan
    • 04.11.09
    • 19:28

    Look at the wining of the losers who are not having a good day. Suddenly they throw all those meaningless legalities around an ILLEGAL WEAPONS SMUGGLED FROM IRAN TO HEZBO. The last time I checked, Iran is not allowed to export weapons and Hezbo is banned from having or arming with weapons according to 1701 and many previous UN resolutions. No, next time we will wait until the terrorist enter out waters, or better, wait until they bomb civilians with Katyishas. You should be grateful that we stopped them before they were used to murder civilians if you have any moral fiber.

  • 223. 0 0
    Move Quickly Bibi
    • Trey Sannibal
    • 04.11.09
    • 19:24

    I believe the time for the IAF is near. Israel is going to be doing a lot more than raiding ships within a few months or weeks? The prospect of bombing Iran has become virtually inevitable. Get on with it already!

  • 222. 0 0
    IRAN SHIP medicine back
    • The Teacher/Instruct
    • 04.11.09
    • 19:23

    IRAN SHIP. MEDICINE ! Israel should use the captured weapons to straf Hezbollah & Hamas. Feed them their own Medicine. Dismantle & improve on them ! That would really be a lark ! A poetic justice. We are patiently waiting to see the outcome. Now, neither Hezbollah,nor Hamas can complain. Can they?

  • 221. 0 0
    Israel is at war with Iran and Syria so who cares
    • nissim
    • 04.11.09
    • 19:22

    Israel and Syria have legally been at war since the war of Independence ended in 1948. Additionally Iranian Revolutionary guard soldiers assisted Hezbolla in their war against Israel from Lebanon; thus putting Iran at war with Israel. So i have know idea what gripe many of you have with Israel for doing what any sovereign nation would do when at war.

  • 220. 0 0
    More proof of Iran's encirclement policy
    • Morris Valentine
    • 04.11.09
    • 19:16

    Iran's government continues to show its desire to encircle and destroy Israel - these were not defensive arms which were intercepted by Israel's navy. Should Iran activate its proxies, I hope Israel will not fight with one arm tied behind its back, as it did in Lebanon and Gaza. No quarter will be given to Israel; no mercy should be shown its enemies. MV

  • 219. 0 0
    #193 Chris Linthwaite That's not fair...
    • S
    • 04.11.09
    • 19:15

    ...you forced me to run to my 20 kilo "The Times Atlas Of The World" to check how the train goes from Iran to Syria... It's via Turkey, or Iraq... Good friends all of them but the undertaking isn't really worth a few Katyushas. Uranium 238, maybe...even if it needs to be delivered in two transports of uranium 119... By the way, this is your thirteens...

  • 218. 0 0
    #169, Jeff Northridge
    • Cipora Julianna Kohn
    • 04.11.09
    • 19:12

    there were tons of weapons on the ship, sent by iran to its terror proxy. glad you are back. hope you will be able to continue. best regards, cipora

  • 217. 0 0
    Where is the UN Condemnation???
    • John Q. Public
    • 04.11.09
    • 19:09

    Hello, where are you Mr. Ban Ki Moon and your UN Goons to condemn the fact that Iran is shipping illegal arms to Hizbollah? Where is the outrage at the spread of terrorism against Iran and Syria who are arming the radical islamist Palestinian thug factions Hamas, Hizbollah, and Islamic Jihad? When are you, sir, going to stop being an agent for the spread of hypocrisy that blames only Israel for crimes. May more ships be intercepted and then confiscated or sunk to send a message to the world that nations whose registered ships are found to be carrying illegal arms are going to have to face the music as well.

  • 216. 0 0
    Michael, UK and Esther
    • Cipora Julianna Kohn
    • 04.11.09
    • 19:08

    was this deliberate or fortuitous, they ask. iranian weapons smuggling is always deliberate. iran does not care on bit about jews, and this includes goldstone. the seizure of the ship with its tons of weapons was timed by the israeli navy based on intelligence they received. the attempt by iran to smuggle arms to its terror proxies is ongoing and will continue.

  • 215. 0 0
    #199 Chaim Ben Israel
    • Phoebe Bing
    • 04.11.09
    • 19:06

    In that case then all Israeli shipping should be sunk as Israel is breaking international law by illegally occupying Palestine.

  • 214. 0 0
    forget UN laws, this is common sense
    • chilem
    • 04.11.09
    • 19:05

    forget the UN laws made by a few to rule many. iran should send another convoy of ships this time with atleast a hundred navy vessels. if the idf wants to stop the arms shipments then make them do it in large numbers. if iran had a navy fleet protecting the cargo then israel could only stop them with a large navy air force and not this sneaky specail ops stuff. if i was iran i would say if you want another one of our ships its going to cost you big and the whole world will bare witness to it. time to shoot first and dont ask questions iran

  • 213. 0 0
    #180, Esther, the ship was carrying tons of candy
    • Cipora Julianna Kohn
    • 04.11.09
    • 19:00

    worry not your head about this. the ship was carrying tons of candy for the time when one or several of the terrorists strike tel aviv with their toy rockets.

  • 212. 0 0
    Interesting huh?
    • Sixpoint77
    • 04.11.09
    • 18:58

    Its interesting to me that even through Iran and Lebenon as countries agree that they will not send weapons due to BOTH of them being part of the UN, people in here still question Israel on stopping ILLEGAL weapons from getting in... theres talk of international waters as if just because it is not IN Israel, YET, its ok to do something that these TWO countries have PROMISED NOT to do... please people, get a grip.. THIS action is EXACTLY how you ensure peace, if Israel was ILLEGALLY conducting wars in Africa(as accused before), you would WANT someone to stop them now wouldnt you?

  • 211. 0 0
    Chaim Ben Kahan
    • mariapalestina
    • 04.11.09
    • 18:56

    These international crimes committed by Israel must be punished and punished severely. No Israeli vessel must be allowed to sail the seven seas and all Israeli vessels must be sunk on sight. Israel is breaking international law and doing it`s best to foster war, violence and murder of innocent people.

  • 210. 0 0
    The Mossad was informed of this ship by Goldstone
    • Dwido
    • 04.11.09
    • 18:56

    Goldstone's fallacious report is encouraging this sort of shipment.

  • 209. 0 0
    Hezbo is not having a very good decade
    • Dan
    • 04.11.09
    • 18:56

    First they declare a victory in 2006 with victory like that who needs loses Then their leader has to hide underground and appear on video screen following the great victory Then their master mass-murder terrorist gets to test his own medicine and choke on it in a big blast Then a weapon depot in south Hezbanon gets blown up Then a second weapon depot in south Hezbanon in the home a senior commander gets blown up and killed the thug in the process Now their weapon supply ship gets captured Im sure there are a lot of tense meetings in Tehran and underground in Beirut.

  • 208. 0 0
    Israeli intelligence proves world class once again
    • Cipora Julianna Kohn
    • 04.11.09
    • 18:55

    let us remember that without a world class intelligence, the navy would not have known which ship to board.

  • 207. 0 0
    @ChanahS
    • un2here
    • 04.11.09
    • 18:54

    No it was not Syria who attacked in -67. Israel attacked - totally unprovoked by Syria who had not engaged in any of the hostilities up to that point - on the fourth day of the 6-day War. If you were told otherwise, it was nothing but a shameless propaganda lie, possibly meant to strengthen the invading Jewish settlers in Golan. But by not returning Golan, you have instead chosen perpetual war. Enjoy!

  • 206. 0 0
    Israel seized illegal Iranian arms
    • Cipora Julianna Kohn
    • 04.11.09
    • 18:53

    iran is mandated by chapter vii unscr from exporting arms to any country or group. furthermore, israel will continue to seize all weapons destined to terrorists such as hezbollah and hamas. israel is in a state of war with both those groups. antisemites and arab supporters would love to see israeli civilians targeted by thousands of missiles. they live for that thrill.

  • 205. 0 0
    it was an Israeli/nato operation
    • The Swede
    • 04.11.09
    • 18:45

    to all who screem "pirecy", hold your horses as more than one Nato country was involved in the action. 14 out of 400 containers are now opened, and the world will when all the weapons are out, be astonished.

  • 204. 0 0
    Congratulations
    • Rory
    • 04.11.09
    • 18:42

    Clearly the way to peace is to have the regime of murderers in Iran toppled. I wish luck for the Iranian people who are brave enough to take on the murderous regime that rules their nation.

  • 203. 0 0
    send more ships israel is losing this war
    • chilem
    • 04.11.09
    • 18:40

    israel is trying to make it seem like they are defending themselves but everyone knows that the occupation of lebanon started way before hezbolla was even formed, so for the israelis to say that they are doing certain things only in repsonse to what terrorists are doing is pure bs. hezbolla was formed in response to israeli imperialistic land grabs, of which founding zionist fathers planned and now is being executed. tell me why should hezbolla stop arming themseleves even the us backed lebanese govt. is starting to realize what israel is all about. israel/america tried to divide up lebanon, good lebanese vs. hezbolla but israel's failure can be seen in the fact that now this same us backed govt. is condeming israel and is in close cooperations with hezbolla. now israel wants the world to think that hezbolla is oppressing the lebanese people but what they dont tell you is hezbolla is comprised of nothing but lebanese people and they have won a considerable amount of parlimentary seats.

  • 202. 0 0
    Good Job
    • Baruch Gold
    • 04.11.09
    • 18:40

    This must be the beginning of a larger mission that will help disarm Hizbollah and eventually lead to striking Iran. Iran is the backer of multiple terrorist organizations and in order to make peace we must cut the head of the serpent off.

  • 201. 0 0
    Wake up and stop spankig your back
    • Reza Shah
    • 04.11.09
    • 18:38

    Those are not weapon those old stock from israel warehouses they try to deflect the Goldstone report Fabricating story is a zionist habit they do not give up easily

  • 200. 0 0
    No more "rules of the sea" Israel at risk here.
    • Josh
    • 04.11.09
    • 18:37

    Probably is no question that the arms were in international waters, headed for Syria. So what? Until a crime is committed, no action is required. What about "thought control" Wonder how many the idf would go after once Israel completes its new "Brain Scanner"? Do you have room in your jails or docking space for half the world's population? Increasing agressive unilateral preventive action will put you out there as a target for more nuts just like yourselves. Have a nice day.

  • 199. 0 0
    Sink ALL Iranian ships
    • Chaim Ben Kahan
    • 04.11.09
    • 18:36

    These international crimes committed by Iran must be punished and punished severely. No Iranian vessel must be allowed to sail the seven seas and all Iranian vessels must be sunk on sight. Iran is breaking international law and doing it's best to foster war, violence and murder of innocent people.

  • 198. 0 0
    #104 Ran - Suez Canal
    • mariapalestina
    • 04.11.09
    • 18:31

    What does the Canal have to do with this boat? It wasn't in the Canal.

  • 197. 0 0
    nicely done!
    • rigma
    • 04.11.09
    • 18:21

    That is a nugget of travels to be "irritated later on."If one is stopped,they will boggle on others....neurals/spirit....Sickness.

  • 196. 0 0
    UN is Bias
    • Mohamad
    • 04.11.09
    • 18:20

    I don't understand why NATO,or The UN does not intercept Arm shipments to Israel?? After all Israel is occupation of Arab land by force is illegal. I think that the Arabs whose land is occupied will fight on whether they got arms from Iran, or not. The Israelis must realize that, they WILL NOT have peace until the land is given back.

  • 195. 0 0
    #179 AA
    • Chris Linthwaite
    • 04.11.09
    • 18:18

    Gets my vote everytime. Israel should certainly be disarmed of her nuclear weapons.

  • 194. 0 0
    Authorized under international law
    • Gee
    • 04.11.09
    • 18:16

    All these racists here whine that Israel is violating international law when in fact it is according to international law. UNSC 1803 gives us the right to board and seize any ships carrying any armaments from Iran regardless of the group getting those weapons.

  • 193. 0 0
    #178 S Thats true
    • Chris Linthwaite
    • 04.11.09
    • 18:16

    The job has been done the ship has been hijacked and the crew interned. So in essence the thing is ended unless Iran decides to start enriching Uranium in response although I understand they are having their own internal problems at the moment. But it is puzzling that all this kit was put on a boat to sail past Israel when it could be put on a train to Syria and literally driven into Lebanon. There is something not quite right. Unless of course it is a feint and in fact a trainload of kit has just pulled up in Damascus and parked next to the Anti aircraft missiles Israel has threatened to go to war over if they enter Lebanon. As I said doesn't make sense, unless it is designed to be a cover for something else.

  • 192. 0 0
    un2here 149
    • ChanahS
    • 04.11.09
    • 18:16

    I was actually Syria that attacked Israel in both 1967 and 1973, and had its arse kiked on both occassions. Why on earth should Israel give back the Golan? The only time it ever belongred to Syria was 1948-1967?

  • 191. 0 0
    Sorry to diappoint me Finkelstein 175
    • ChanahS
    • 04.11.09
    • 18:11

    60 tons of arms and ammunition, including long range missiles, being unloaded as we speak. You would love Israel to screw up, wouldn't you! Looks like you're the real loser here.

  • 190. 0 0
    ezbollah-bound Iran ship carried hundreds of tons of arms
    • norman
    • 04.11.09
    • 18:09

    So its ok to use ''international waters'' to blow up Israeli Kids?? Did you think about what you wrote??

  • 189. 0 0
    I cannot understand why Hezbollah
    • Gideon Osbourne
    • 04.11.09
    • 18:04

    put their orders for weaponary through the Lebanese government, who will then hand them over on delivery. That would be totally legal, even better if Hezbollah was combined with the Lebanese military, whilst maintaining their own command and control. Then all of this would end

  • 188. 0 0
    well said adam
    • lifei
    • 04.11.09
    • 18:03

    Beautifully!

  • 187. 0 0
    To "piracy" morons: Read "In coordination with NATO ships" part
    • Dr. L. Brnd
    • 04.11.09
    • 17:54

    Multiple UN actions have banned both arms trafficking by Iran and weapons deliveries to Hezbollah (UNSC#1701). Israel didn't intercept the ship on its own, but "in coordination with NATO ships" (learn to read more than just the title). So howls of "piracy" and "act of war" are particularly idiotic, even from the usual Talkbackers. Especially important now to see if other ships flagged by British "Commonwealth" colonies like Antigua have assumed a central role in arms smuggling to mideast Islamic terrorists - maybe this complicity is how UK intends to protect its London subway riders from more islamic bombing; it wouldn't be the first time. The tip-off: Brits won't lift a finger against Israeli seizures from their ships.

  • 186. 0 0
    anti-Israel sympathizers will always blame IDF
    • 4truth
    • 04.11.09
    • 17:51

    The bad guys will always screem foul when Israel acts to defend its citizens. I'm sure even if IDF forces kill evil terrorist Osama Ben Laden, we will have arab propagandists like Johnboy complaining that Israel has violated "international law." These guys can argue that the world is flat with a straight face - ignore them, and do what you know is right.

  • 185. 0 0
    Major Arms Supplier to Israel
    • Ron
    • 04.11.09
    • 17:48

    Iran is now a major arms supplier to Israel. It is probably 3rd rate crap, but the arms can be aimed north.

  • 184. 0 0
    Good job! Now...
    • Yonatan
    • 04.11.09
    • 17:48

    how do we stop the arms shipments coming thru Syria?

  • 183. 0 0
    Not Piracy, Just an Act of War Mark of Lewiston
    • Sylvia
    • 04.11.09
    • 17:43

    Mark, Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, and other terror organization have been calling for the destruction of Israel, isn't that a declaration of war? Israel has been under siege and threat of war and terror by all Arab countries since 1948. The day Israel's independence was declared, Arab countries declared war on Israel. They have done the same in 1967. US and NATO do the same to interrupt arms to the Taliban and El Qaida.

  • 182. 0 0
    Wail on, united international wailers; we´ll give you ......
    • Hazak
    • 04.11.09
    • 17:39

    yet further reasons. We will beat our enemy on land, at sea and the air. We will fight them in the waters, blue water, black water, heavy water and international waters. We have every right to do so! We're neutering our enemies. Wail on, diaper babies instead of learning

  • 181. 0 0
    Lintwit and friends ...
    • Jasper
    • 04.11.09
    • 17:35

    ... must have also felt humanity was violated last year when US Marines ended a benign operation by the Somalia Navy by blowing out the brains of three innocent sailors. There must have been all kinds of fine print problems.

  • 180. 0 0
    Now "1,001 Nights" for Israel's adversaries...
    • Esther
    • 04.11.09
    • 17:26

    ... some say the boat carried no ammunition... ... others say it was only defensive stuff on the way Syria, not Hez at all... ... still others claim it was actually ammo on its way to Iran to fight its own dissidents... ... the night is yet young, we will hear more...

  • 179. 0 0
    Perhaps we should have a law that Israel just cannot defend itsel
    • AA
    • 04.11.09
    • 17:23

    Itself.And so, every action by Israel, whatever it may be, will be against International Law! Who is in favor? Chris? Eric? Goldstone? Ahmanidijad?

  • 178. 0 0
    #146 Chris Linthwaite
    • S
    • 04.11.09
    • 17:22

    "Responding to people who have responded to my posts, it is called having a debate you should try it sometime." (Chris) The whole point of my post was about the futility of a debate. In fact, if anything, it is you who didn't respond to what I said! It was, my friend, about the damage done to Iranians and Hezb, in reducing their quantity of rockets to be transmitted further, by air, straight to the Israeli civilians.

  • 177. 0 0
    CJ #145
    • Charles
    • 04.11.09
    • 17:20

    1979

  • 176. 0 0
    what about arms ships to Israel?
    • Mike
    • 04.11.09
    • 17:19

    All arms shipments to Israel should be seized as well. After all, Israel is occupying Palestinian land illegally, building illegal settlements, and was convicted of comiting war crimes in Gaza.

  • 175. 0 0
    "show us the weapons"
    • David Finkelstein
    • 04.11.09
    • 17:18

    If that is really what on that boat, where are the pictures of the weapons? I believe that Israel has screwed up big on this one. It will be interesting to see what happens next.

  • 174. 0 0
    145# when the mullahs took over in 1979
    • Israeliguy
    • 04.11.09
    • 17:17

    and they started burning Israeli flags, setting up proxies(Hezzbollah) to attack Israeli and Jewish targets on a global scale, Calling for Israel to be wiped off the map, the list can go on you know.

  • 173. 0 0
    #48 Adam , well explained , still falling on
    • TOMY
    • 04.11.09
    • 17:14

    hate-filled ears and harts . Nothing can change that inborn nature .

  • 172. 0 0
    Lebanon does have a right to defend itself
    • get over it
    • 04.11.09
    • 17:14

    you zionist would have turned lebanon into gaza a long time ago if you could

  • 171. 0 0
    Many on this sight would love to hear about
    • TOMY
    • 04.11.09
    • 17:11

    those weapons being used to murder Jews . This is their most erotically salivating fetish , and now they are being interrupted in the middle of it . I understand , it is a very unpleasant feeling .

  • 170. 0 0
    Chris Linthwaite
    • Ehud
    • 04.11.09
    • 17:08

    A military commando enterprise during which no one is hurt and that prevents the loss of life and property of many civilians seems to bother you a lot. You seem to prefer massive bombing campaigns including civilian loss of life (e.g. Afghanistan) as long as it is "UN backed". I think your extent of "process orientation" is ethically problematic. It reminds me of the criticisim of a Swiss journalist who mumbled something about Israel's violation of Ugandan sovereignty when liberating the hostages from the hands of German and Arab terrorist. With a similar logic you will probably soon declare Kennedy's sea blockade of Cuba as piracy and the American Revolution an intolerable and criminal act against the legally established rule of King George. There is something pitiful about Englishmen who can't get over the fact that they no longer call the shots on this planet.

  • 169. 0 0
    Caught Like Rats
    • Jeff Northridge
    • 04.11.09
    • 17:07

    So what exactly was onboard this this ship?

  • 168. 0 0
    142# Chris Linthwaite
    • Israeliguy
    • 04.11.09
    • 17:01

    1:Saudi Arabia,Jordan and Egypt wouldnt attack Israel. 2: The moment Hamas fire their new toy at Tel Aviv Bibi will topple them in Gaza 3: Turkey,Syria,Iraq allowing Iran weapons to traverse their lands would be to their detriment, we been at war with the latter two since 1948 so it doesnt really matter now does it. 4: Turkey telling us to f- off couldnt really break our heart we can just befriend Greece and nullify their Nato membership. 5: Sorry mate you loose this round try another(Without using foul language).

  • 167. 0 0
    Daniel & laws
    • Burglar
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:58

    You left out part of those laws such as the part that says "exclusive economic zone"

  • 166. 0 0
  • 165. 0 0
    #143 S
    • Chris Linthwaite
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:53

    Responding to people who have responded to my posts, it is called having a debate you should try it sometime. But is it really 11? wow I must be having fun.

  • 164. 0 0
    Najeeb 132 - fabrication?
    • ChanahS
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:53

    The fabrication is in your head Najeeb - the ship is loaded with illegal weapons bound for ... where? I know your news sources are telling you it's a lie - but really - how can Israel fabricate such a thing when the evidence is there for all to see?

  • 163. 0 0
    Mickey UH?
    • CJ
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:51

    "Iran & Syria are officially at war with Israel." Since when has Iran been officially at war with Israel?

  • 162. 0 0
    BDS 126 - nonsense
    • ChanahS
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:51

    Israel is frst and foremoost responsible for the welfare of its own Jewish, Arab and other citizens. Gaza is not occupied, and neither is most of the west bank. When they were, the standard of living of all Palestinians rose incomparably to what it was before 1967. This is what "responsible for their welfare" means. It does not mean allowing to kill Israelis with impunity or to arm themselves to the teeth. Israel is definitely not responsible for the welfare of Hamas and Hezbollah - not by a loing shot.

  • 161. 0 0
    Is that the same Iran that J.Street doesn't want to sanction ?
    • Jew
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:50

    Thats "Pro Israel" for ya.

  • 160. 0 0
    When in war, better to seize arms before they kill
    • David Israel
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:50

    When two nations are at war (unfortunately) it is only natural that one side would like to cut the enemies arm supplies. It is better to cut the supply before it is used to kill especially innocent civilians. Conventional wars were conducted against military targets and an arms shipment is one of them. If this was not an arms shipment then one could have raised the issue of piracy, legality but in this case everything is against Iran and Hezbollah. Israel did the right thing by capturing these arms before used against its civilian population as always is and maybe prevent the need for another unfortunate Lebanon war which where Hezbollah would hide behind its civilian population and then unscrupulously use it as a PR opportunity against Israel in the West. Good job and right on time.

  • 159. 0 0
    To Liam...
    • Silvienne
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:49

    "Whether you like it or not, Israel did not violate any laws here" "here" is actually the operative word...

  • 158. 0 0
  • 157. 0 0
    To Canadian..
    • Silvienne
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:48

    "Think about what Iran represents, and do much better research on Israel from better sources. That should cure ya" Thinking about what Israel represents (illegal settlements, "Cast Lead", war crimes, apartheidt) is enough to make anyone sick...

  • 156. 0 0
    104 Cris whats his name is wrong
    • Ran
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:44

    The ship broke Egyptian laws and international laws, also seemingly some new international regulations about arm trade by Iran. Israel is a part of the international community and had every right to hold the ship. The ship lied to the canal authorities because if it would have presented a true manifest: weapons from Iran to points unknown, it would have been in real troubles. There is a trial going now in Egypt concerning terrorists supplied and backed by Iran-Syria-Hizballa.

  • 155. 0 0
    mariapalestina is right,,,
    • Silvienne
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:44

    "100 miles off the coast of Israel is international waters and outside of Israel`s jurisdiction" Quite correct. But we can't expect Israel to abide by the laws that other countries are obliged to follow...

  • 154. 0 0
    130#@ CJ your arguments are stupid
    • Israeliguy
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:43

    how can seizing weapons which can potentially start a new war in the hands of Hezzbollah and co be stupid in any way???

  • 153. 0 0
    Iran, Ground Zero
    • Kenn
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:43

    All bad things in the middle east start and end with Iran. Get them under control, everything else will fall in line. Afganastan, Iraq, Hamas and Hezollah. Why is it that the world, USA included (thanks to Obama) is scared to confront and fight evil?

  • 152. 0 0
    #113 peter
    • mohamed
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:41

    peter the somalis are protecting their sea from theft of fish by uropeans, chinese, asians and also from dumping nuclear waste in our water. They took advantage of the civil war to plunder our sea, so our young brave somali took the action to capture ships for payment. That is legal, you canot compare us with the israelis who are immune from international laws because of america blindly supporting for their action in over 60 years

  • 151. 0 0
    arab states should intercept arms sent to israel
    • sam i am
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:35

    we all know israel cant fight anyone who can fight back. even theplaying field and see what happens.

  • 150. 0 0
    132# Najeeb
    • Israeliguy
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:35

    Israel possibly prevented a war with Lebanon by seizing this ship, had we wanted war we would have allowed the ship and its contents to reach you and your buddies in Sour, hence an Israeli reaction to your shooting Katyushas. But if Katyushas come through Syria like you admitt and I dont deny why not try and stop them or are you bored when there is no war???

  • 149. 0 0
    Iran not "officially at war" with anybody
    • un2here
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:28

    .. and specifically not with Israel. Syria OTOH is at war with Israel since the Israeli attack upon Golan in -67. It will go away when the Golan heights are returned, in other words: Never!

  • 148. 0 0
    dont blame israel just fight the war
    • chilem
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:28

    everyone knows israel is criminal, but this is not the time to try and prosecute them. iranian ships should not operate in the dark and in disguise but openly and with a heavy military escort. the only language israel understands is violence and force. the case is simple if they were in international waters then they should have not given the ship up to a country who has no authority over that ship. one must remember this, the rockets even suicide bombers didnt come before the f-16's and the apaches and so on. Next israel will complain that the 'terrorists' will have smart rockets with laser guidance. all hezbolla has done is try to equip its self to match the highly aggressive and highly militarized israel. I want to know this, who started this middle east war. israel came and took land with UN(british) help. so always trace a conflict back to its origin if you want to see who started what and for what. the zionist charter is clear: take over land and gain greater israel

  • 147. 0 0
    Just imagine if the ship did reach Hezzbollah
    • Israeliguy
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:28

    And they put those weapons to use against Israelis or fellow Lebanese I guess that would be okay with the anti-Israel crowd. If those weapons did reach the destination and were used and Israel fought back the Israel haters would still throw a tantrum about it.

  • 146. 0 0
    Crime Against Egypt
    • Ran
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:27

    Most people here are consumed by hatered toward Israel or by protecting Israel. A serious crime was commited against Egypt. Egypt is the castodian of the canal which serves the international community well. Egypt has, rightly so, very strict weapons holding laws. Egypt has been subjected to international terror. Weapons on ship like that can serve to an attack on the canal or on ships in it. Ship entering the canal has to show a legal manifest and declare its cargo. Just imagin a ship exploding anywhere in the canal and what it will do to Egypt economy, pride and well being. Somebody is rubbing it into Egypt face. Numerous international and Egyptian laws and laws of the sea were broken by that ship. As was written before there is some kind of semi embargo against arms exporting by Iran. Since time immemorial war ships can ask a merchant ship for a flag, cargo, from where to where. A ship must carry a true manifest declaring these facts. It did not, any body could arrest it.

  • 145. 0 0
    Answer to comment number 108
    • Yehudi Pashut
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:26

    Seems pretty simple to me. The goyim who are righteous (and they're out there) should merit Olam Haba. We have plenty of sources to support that notion. As for those in Am Yisrael who have betrayed their people, well, unfortunately our history has a few of those too (Datan and Aviram, etc...). We keep forgetting that Hashem sees everything - our innermost thoughts - and judges us accordingly, and with love. Those who deserve Rachamim shall receive it. But will we do teshuva in time? Will I? I hope so. In the meanwhile, the nations of world seem to care more about harming Hashem's people and trying to sever our bond with Him, whihc is of course absurd - it's Hashem's movie.

  • 144. 0 0
    36#John the American
    • Israeliguy
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:25

    What you should really ask yourself would it be okay if Hezzbollah got hold of those weapons. Why should Israel be condemned for preventing a possible war???If thats worth condemnation then something is not pshycologicaly okay with you.

  • 143. 0 0
    Poor Iranians and Hezbolahs; they worked hard and now Pfft! 2nd t
    • S
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:19

    ... they will have to launch fewer rockets upon Israel's civilians ... Those Israel's commandos! And there is not only damage done to Iranians, but also a terrible heartbreak forced upon Chris Linthwaite (11 posts(!) and friends... As mariapalestina #2 said: "No conscience, no shame, and no respect for international law." ..... as Rodney Dangerfield would have said...

  • 142. 0 0
    #110 Happy Harry not worked up
    • Chris Linthwaite
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:18

    Apparently Iraq is allowing Iran to transport weapons through it's country to Syria, and apprently even Turkey is allowing arms to be deliveres from Iran to Syria. Saudi Arabia is about to procure a weapons system capable of shooting down aircraft in Israeli airspace, and despite Israel's attempts Hezbollah is more powerful than before Lebanon 2. Even HAMAS after Operation cast Lead now has missiles capable of hitting Tel Aviv. Couple that with Egypt and jordan looking increasingly like they are going to annul their peace treaties and Turkey has told Israel to fuck off. It is looking rather interesting don't you think?

  • 141. 0 0
    Daniel - Seems Spain Illegally seized the ship.
    • CJ
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:18

    "Spain seizes ship in treasure row: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6896645.stm" //Gibraltar officials and Odyssey Marine Exploration, which owns the ship, said Spain had boarded the ship illegally as it was in international waters.// You were saying????

  • 140. 0 0
    CJ of Sydney
    • Mickey
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:18

    All countries are entitled to declare their territorial water boundaries as they see fit. Usually its 12 nautical miles but it does not have to be. So it can be 100 nautical miles. If no other countries dispute the distance, then there are no problems. However, I don't actually know what Israel claims as her territorial waters

  • 139. 0 0
    UN Resolutions made it illegal for Iran to export arms to hez
    • jason
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:17

    So Iran doing this was against UN resolution.

  • 138. 0 0
    Piracy
    • Aristeides
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:17

    If Iran had boarded and seized a US freighter carrying white phosphorus munitions to Israel to be used in attacking civilians in Gaza, Israel would certainly consider it piracy. Maybe Israel should replace its flag with the Jolly Roger. In the meantime, Netanyahu can order his minions in the US Congress to pass a resolution praising piracy and advocating changes to the laws of the sea, permitting it - for Israel only.

  • 137. 0 0
    Israel bashers can be positive about one thing
    • Israeliguy
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:16

    Those weapons never reached their destination thus possibly preventing a war between Israel and Lebanon, isnt that something to be happy about??? Or is everybody going to cry that they have no war to cry about???who needs war???

  • 136. 0 0
    To # 96 "the goyim"
    • James
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:15

    Is it really so black and white? If we accept that the Jews are the chosen people, don't we have any salvation too? I heard that gentiles who keep the 7 Noahide laws will also merit Redemption. I for one don't question Israel's right to live on the land they got from the Lord.

  • 135. 0 0
    2002 North Korean Missile Seizure
    • Chad
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:14

    Will be interesting to see where this goes. If it was as straightforward as some of you state then explain this. In 2002 the US and Spain intercepted a North korean ship en route to the Yemen. It contained 15 DPRK Scud missiles. It was intercepted in a similar fashion to this Israeli interception today - well out of either Spanish or US territorial waters. After holding the missiles several months the US and Spain were obliged to forward the missiles on to Yemen. Several assumptions in this case; a) that they are going to Hezbollah, b) they are not a legitimate sale from Iran to another country. Believe it or not people, there aren't laws to countries buying and selling weapons. If Israel was so sure of this case they would intercept multilaterally and show everyone the evidence. But then they'd possibly have to return the weapons to the sender, Iran...

  • 134. 0 0
    12cj-"Er Where do Israel`s territorial waters end?" answer...
    • bat yam
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:13

    In the toilets/sewers of her enemies.

  • 133. 0 0
    #114 Purple Canary
    • Chris linthwaite
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:13

    and that would be resolution number? And of course Israel does not need to abide by the rules you wish everyone else to abide by either. I mean Israel's flattening of Beruit and destruction of civilian infrastructure during Lebanon 2 wasn't attempted genocide or terrorising the population was it? Only applies if it is done to Israelis and more importantly a certain group of Israelis.

  • 132. 0 0
    Propaganda,
    • Najeeb
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:12

    Israel is preparing for war against Lebanon and using fabricated stories like this to stir the fight. Katyousha is made now in Lebanon. The entire world know Hizbollah get everything through syria, so why bother and ship through the sea!!! kind of foggy!

  • 131. 0 0
    #11 Erik from Oxford
    • Mickey
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:12

    Iran & Syria are officially at war with Israel. Therefore, under International law, israel has every right to strike at her enemies in any way including the prevention of arms reaching them. On the other hand, Iran and the USA are not [yet]in a state of war and any attack by Iran on US ships would then be illegal and could be regarded as an act of war.

  • 130. 0 0
    Ishai - Are stupid arguments all you have?
    • CJ
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:02

    "We all know how just and unbiased the UN is toward Israel in particular, don`t we?" If you don't pay the bill you get reminders. The UNSC has numerous reminders out on Israel. If it would only pay it's bill... "...when will the "Great Nation of Australia" wake up to the fact that it is essentially an illegal occupier of another people`s land?" When will you idiots stop dragging up the two wrongs make a right argument? BTW The British colonized Australia. In fact, it's WHY there are now laws forbidding the acquisition of territory by force. The Australian Aboriginals aren't asking us to leave. If they ever do, I'll move to Israel, as is my right, it was after all, founded in my name.

  • 129. 0 0
    #19 SDHD
    • BDS
    • 04.11.09
    • 16:02

    "Israel is at war with the Palestinians." No, it is not. Israel is the occupying power in Palestinian territory. Thus it is responsible for the welfare of the Palestinians. This is the reason why Cast Lead was in principle a war-crime. See the Fourth Geneva Convention. Attacking a foreign ship in international waters is an act of war.

  • 128. 0 0
    11 - Erik
    • Maurice
    • 04.11.09
    • 15:58

    The arms send by the US to Israel are not used for terrorist purposes. They are used for defensive purposes. Hezbollah and Hammas use these rockets to attack INDISCRIMINATELY population centers. There is absolutely no comparison. Israel did the right thing. A big BRAVO!

  • 127. 0 0
    #67 British Zionist
    • British Zionist
    • 04.11.09
    • 15:50

    Israel has the legitimate right to defend itself. Do you really think that the Israeli navy would bother to board a ship of the coast of Cyprus if it did not feel there was good reason? Oh and by the way why is being a British Zionist such a contradiction in terms as you put it(British Zionist is there such a thing). Like many of my fellow British Jews we are both proud to be British and proud to support Israel.

  • 126. 0 0
    # 9 and Jew Haters, check all sources not just moslem/arab
    • Will It Print
    • 04.11.09
    • 15:50

    Obviosly you have internet accessibility, why not try reading how normal information gets transformed, edited, changed into wild Headlines by editors, journalist not only to sell papers but to instegate groups and individuals such as yourself. Check different sources, don't stay stuck on the garbage the propagandist papers feed you, investigate. (For example), Where some papers say Storm others may say Seize or Boarded, do you see howsaying Storm over Seize can incite anger? So look around, That's basically what I do before coming to read the spin meisters, use the net wisely and maybe you would have read something like this, Associated Press Writer Amy Teibel, Associated Press Writer?12 mins ago,JERUSALEM ? Israeli naval commandos seized a ship Wednesday that defense officials said was carrying more than 60 tons of missiles, rockets and anti-tank weapons from Iran to Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091104/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_arms_boat

  • 125. 0 0
    Israel is great
    • Jochai Rubinstein
    • 04.11.09
    • 15:43

    all the talk-backers here seem convinced that israel is a great country, not evil at all, because no one was worried about the Iranian crew, they will be treated humanely in Israel and eventually will be able to return to Iran, without a demand for the release of Ygal Shalit.That is if they want to go home at all

  • 124. 0 0
    5Michael " Why did this have to be left to Israel (again)?"...
    • common sense
    • 04.11.09
    • 15:40

    Obama is too weak ideologically & now politically especially given his indecisive attitude to Iran. The following article is an indication that ?everything? will eventually be left to Israel. Hizballah arms ship nabbed in joint Israeli Navy-US Task Force 151 operation DEBKAfile Special Report November 4, 2009, 1:03 PM (GMT+02:00) The arms ship seized by the Israeli Navy early Wednesday, Nov. 4, near Cyprus, carried five containers of Iranian firearms and surface, anti-tank and anti-air missiles. DEBKAfile's military sources report the ship set out from Kish Island or Bandar Abbas in the middle of last week. It was detected by US satellites over the weekend while heading out of the Straits of Hormuz and into the Gulf of Oman. The USS Anzio guided missile cruiser of the US Navy's Task Force 151 shadowed the weapons ship as it sailed into the Gulf of Aden and the Red Sea. This task force leads the operations against piracy and Iranian arms smuggling under the command of Rear Adm. Scott Sanders. Israeli military intelligence, navy and air force were kept informed of the ship's movements, including the projected times of its passage through the Suez Canal and arrival in the Mediterranean. Tehran and Hizballah knew the ship had been spotted and expected it to be seized, although they did not know by whom. It acquired an escort of Israel warships upon emerging from the Suez Canal and entering the Mediterranean. No action was taken then because the American and Israeli commanders of their joint Juniper Cobra ballistic exercise agreed to hold off seizing the ship until a few hours after the two-week war game ended Tuesday, Nov. 3. Washington was reluctant to embark on direct military action against an Iranian target so long as nuclear negotiations are still in progress for fear of provoking a fresh crisis with Tehran. It was therefore left to Israeli commandoes to board the arms ship early Wednesday 100 miles out to sea and direct it to the Israeli naval base at Ashdod for further examination. Prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu described the weapons cargo as destined for attacks on Israeli cities, while defense minister Ehud Barak named Hizballah as the consignment's end-user. DEBKAfile's military sources add: Iran now sends Hizballah smaller arms shipments hoping to draw less attention to its deliveries and incur smaller losses if they are impounded.

  • 123. 0 0
    #61 chris linthwaite
    • Jew
    • 04.11.09
    • 15:38

    " Make your mind up. Either Hezbollah is a terrorist organisation or a legitimate member of the Lebanese Government you cannot have it both ways." Actually we can have it both ways Hezbollah makes a distinction between its armed and political wing, therefore they believe they can be both And as for your comments about Israel "yet again" trying to solve it`s water shortages by trying to capture the Litani River. Exactly what did Israel do to "try and capture" the Litani River, I did not notice any mention of an Israeli invasion of Lebanon or any actions that would make anyone believe your nonsense statement to be true You just want to make statements like this knowing that those who hate Israel will believe you

  • 122. 0 0
    #105 An Israeli
    • Chris Linthwaite
    • 04.11.09
    • 15:37

    1701 also syas Israel needs to withdraw from Lebanon. Which Israel hasn't done either. So if Israel won't abide by 1701 why should Hezbollah? Or is that different?

  • 121. 0 0
    LOL - We made a mistake
    • Daniel
    • 04.11.09
    • 15:37

    We have all been discussing the law of the seas based on the United Nation Convention on the Law of the Sea. Israel is one of the 39 nations, including Iran and Syria, that have not signed or ratified the convention. Therefore, Israel can not be accused of breaking the treaty. Since the "Law of the Seas" does not apply. Israel could use the protective principle to justify boarding the ship, and any other nation could claim universal jurisdiction because of the presence of rockets that would have likely been used against civilians.

  • 120. 0 0
    36John the "American" does not know that by US Law, Hezzbola
    • Rob
    • 04.11.09
    • 15:37

    and Hamas are terror organizations.

  • 119. 0 0
    Chris Linthwaite
    • Purple Canary
    • 04.11.09
    • 15:33

    You ask: Under which UN resolution was this military action against a ship registered with a Commonwealth Country undertaken? Look under "Forbidden to attempt to terrorize or carry out the genocide of a UN member." Really - I can't believe you're serious.

  • 118. 0 0
    Mariapalestina
    • Purple Canary
    • 04.11.09
    • 15:29

    MARIAPALESTINA writes: No conscience, no shame, and no respect for international law. You forgot to add: NO tolerance for being terrorized / murdered / maimed / attacked by Hizballah and Hamas thugs. 50 tons of sophisticated weapons! You really have to be kidding.

  • 117. 0 0
    It seems as if All the Armchair Terrorists here
    • Gil
    • 04.11.09
    • 15:28

    It seems as if All the Armchair Terrorists here Are feeling physically Violated, Well Good [:P

  • 116. 0 0
    Iranian ship flew an Antiguan flag?
    • Maryam
    • 04.11.09
    • 15:22

    What makes the ship "Iranian"? Its flag was Antiguan and the so-called "arms ship" was a civilian cargo ship. It will be interesting to find out to whom the ship is actually registered. As for the arms--katyushas--is there any evidence that they were of Iranian manufacture, or that they were exported with the knowledge and consent of the Iranian govt? Arms smuggling is rampant in this region, and the ship made stops in Yemen and Sudan (two hotbeds of terrorism and violence) en route from somewhere or other in Iran (big country)before it was boarded by Israelis 100 miles off the Israeli coastline. While it is not inconceivable that Iran might send arms to Hezbollah, the routing seems rather illogical, if the arms were destined for Lebanon and Syria, particularly since "Iranian" arms shipments have been intercepted before. According to a major British newspaper, "Israel offered no evidence about the source or destination of the weapons."

  • 115. 0 0
    To chris linthwaite
    • Happy Harry
    • 04.11.09
    • 15:21

    Lighten-up! don't get in such a rage, or you'll burst a VESSEL..... hahahahahahaha.

  • 114. 0 0
    A Summary of International Law in International Waters
    • Daniel
    • 04.11.09
    • 15:21

    Here is another example of a state seizing a ship in international waters. Spain seizes ship in treasure row: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6896645.stm The idea that there is no jurisdiction on the high seas comes from confusion about the meaning of jurisdiction. Jurisdiction describes the limits of the legal power of a nation (international lawyers call them States) to make (prescriptive jurisdiction), apply (adjudicative jurisdiction), and enforce (enforcement jurisdiction) rules of conduct. One basis of jurisdiction is territory--a State can make and enforce laws in its own territory. The confusion arises from the assumption that this is the only basis of jurisdiction. It isn't. There are five: 1.) Territory 2.) Nationality Principle [states regulate their own vessels] 3.) Passive Personality Principle (jurisdiction based of those injured by conduct): [This applies here] 4.) Protective Principle: [as does this] 5.) Universal Jurisdiction [not this]

  • 113. 0 0
    Isareli Pirate = Somali pirates
    • Peter
    • 04.11.09
    • 15:19

    They both breaking the International Law but who cares Might is Right.

  • 112. 0 0
    answer to Proud Israeli
    • american
    • 04.11.09
    • 15:15

    If you want peace kick out your goverment not only is not calling for peace but destroy every chance Israel have to live in peace! And by the way U.N was the one that partition Palestine to give you a state then U.N was a g-d sent for Jew because was what they wanted, now U.N is bad because they trying to tell Israel they are going on the wrong direction! talking about Hypocrite!

  • 111. 0 0
  • 110. 0 0
    How can anyone have a problem with this?
    • steve
    • 04.11.09
    • 15:12

    This is all very interesting I keep reading people smashing Israel's actions. Maybe the ship was illegally boarded and maybe it was not I don?t know But what I see is many people blaming Israel without mentioning that Iran sending arms to Hezbollah is also illegal This is a normal leftist response you blame the police for their methods but not the criminal whose crime predated the actions of the police. These actions takes the rights from those smuggling weapons and gives them to those who would be attacked by these weapons. How can anyone have a problem with this?

  • 109. 0 0
    answer to Hertzel
    • american
    • 04.11.09
    • 15:10

    Hertzel Goldstone is a innocent jew that the goverment of Israel is bashing and destroy his clean reputation because they dont like as usual what they hear...If in Israel we have innocent jew let them speak for the truth not for the Israel goverment lies!

  • 108. 0 0
    Yehudi Pashut
    • Charles
    • 04.11.09
    • 15:09

    I agree, but these are lots of goyim who are with us, and how do you like the Gideon Levys, Amira Hass, Soros, Noam Chomski and the like ?

  • 107. 0 0
    army for Hezbollah
    • american
    • 04.11.09
    • 15:08

    Israel is making the terrorist around her No sorry for Israel. 2 state stop the occupation.

  • 106. 0 0
    Poor Iranians and Hezbolahs, they worked so hard and now Pfft!
    • S
    • 04.11.09
    • 15:06

    ... they will have to launch fewer rockets upon Israel's civilians ... shame on Israel's commandos! And there is not only damage done to Iranians, but also a terrible heartbreak forced upon Chris Linthwaite (10 posts(!), Johnboy, and the like... As mariapalestina #2 said: "No conscience, no shame, and no respect for international law." ..... as Rodney Dangerfield would have said...

  • 105. 0 0
    #104 Ran
    • Chris Linthwaite
    • 04.11.09
    • 15:01

    and since when did Israel recieve a mandate from the United Nations to police the Suez Canal which is within the territory of Egypt a country which is recognised by the United Nations. You are also presuming that the canal authorities had no knowledge of the shipment of arms through the canal by this particular vessel.

  • 104. 0 0
    The ship clearly broke the treaty of 1888
    • Ran
    • 04.11.09
    • 14:51

    All kinds of Know it alls are blabering all over. In Oct. 29 1888 the international Convention of Constantinopol was signed in the then Ottoman Empire Capital. Articles 4,5,6 "Troops munitions and other war materials may be neither shipped or unshipped within the canal and its harbours". Since then there were wars and such but still ships transporting explosives of any kind in the canal are reqired to conform all kind of rulls and regulations, for example specific flag, for example notify the canal authoritis. As that ship did not do any thing of the kind it could have been considered a if it was peforming an international crime in the canal and on the high sea. Also in all probability, and the owners of the ship know it, it was carrying counterfitted documents and untrue bills and such, these are crimes, any war ship of any nation can make troubles to such ship on the high sea. Also the Iranian trade in weapons is problematic.

  • 103. 0 0
    Cris L. #61: in Hezb.'s case it doesn't matter what you call them
    • ivo
    • 04.11.09
    • 14:51

    chris, as far as i know, the 1701 hasn't been declared invalid /null & void by anyone, in spite of the lebanese government's 'clever' move (/was it the president suleyman?) to officically endorse hezbollah. that they're in the government means nothing - they've been political & thus 'legitimate' for a long time. what does matter is that they keep being an independent military force, one definitely not taking orders from the central lebanese government. they operate on their own & get their arms on their own. nor have they been taken off the international 'terrorist lists' out there either. so iranian weapons shipments to hezbollah can in no way be legal. that you needed the completely outlandish claim about water from the litani (not worth commenting on) to glue your argument doesn't speak in your favour either.

  • 102. 0 0
    SDHD, The irony of your hypocracy
    • NSM
    • 04.11.09
    • 14:43

    Its ironic how all the Pro-Israeli types are saying that this is not piracy and all that when it is intended to be used against civilians and an act of war in itself. You see I dont disagree with you on that I just find it very hypocritical that you say that but no one can begin to concieve if a US ship with weapons bound for Israel (which most definitely has used them against civilians time and time again) was to be intercepted (doesn't matter by who) with the same reasoning. That would be called piracy and terrorism. Basically none of those Pro-Israelis ever mention the wrong doings of Israel they just defend it no matter what they do. It doesnt matter that 437 children died in operation cast lead. they always find some kind of bogus justification like hiding within civilians...etc but with no moral principles at all.

  • 101. 0 0
    CJ 85 - I don't have to put up anything
    • ChanahS
    • 04.11.09
    • 14:42

    I was pointing out to JB that his reading is selective. Ask the person who claimed this.

  • 100. 0 0
    Congratulations !
    • Pedro
    • 04.11.09
    • 14:42

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    #73 - CJ
    • Ishai
    • 04.11.09
    • 14:35

    We all know how just and unbiased the UN is toward Israel in particular, don't we? I hate to sound like a broken record, but when will the "Great Nation of Australia" wake up to the fact that it is essentially an illegal occupier of another people's land? It's all very nice and well to be living in a "squeaky-clean", first world, secure country with selective amnesia about its true beginnings whilst pouring accusations at other countries with much more trying circumstances. That doesn't make you correct, it just makes you uncredible. Aussie Aussie Aussie, Oy Va'ah V-Oy...

  • 98. 0 0
    #82 Chanah S
    • Chris Linthwaite
    • 04.11.09
    • 14:26

    Not going to bother answering as you are trying to deflect from the central point of my argument that Israel acted illegally in capturing this Commonwealth flagged vessel, and if Syria did the same to Israel pertaining arms shipments, Israel would be attempting to bomb Damascus in retaliation. Which is the central point to my argument. Israel appears to be acting outside the boundaries of International Law yet again, and applying different rules to what it expects itself to abide by. Then whines when it is pointed out. And just how close to Cyprus was this? As has been pointed out on this thread if Israel's territorial waters can be 200 miles from the shore, so can Cyprus territorial waters. Or is that different?

  • 97. 0 0
    #86 Chanah re Linthwaite
    • H
    • 04.11.09
    • 14:23

    "Israel ows you no explanations" May I add. No-one ows Chris any explanations. Who else but someone with a problem would take time out of teaching to write incessantly to a Jewish/Israeli newspaper. Think about it.

  • 96. 0 0
    The goyim...
    • Yehudi Pashut
    • 04.11.09
    • 14:23

    ...simply can't accept the idea of Jews fighting to protect themselves, of Jews who have returned to their G-d give homeland in Eretz Yisrael. We will always be demeaned and declared evil by the sons of darkness, until Mashiach comes and they are confronted with their own iniquity. But then it will be too late. In the ongoing struggle between Am Yisrael and the nations of the world, this is but a blip. Baruch Hashem we know who we are and we know who the goyim are.

  • 95. 0 0
    terror gangs think weapons are tools for peace making...
    • Avi
    • 04.11.09
    • 14:19

    Sadly, they only long to defeat Israel in a war. When they get what they want there will be peace (meaning promise to control their lust for blood and not attack).

  • 94. 0 0
    Johnboy Does the ship kargo manifests that there was weapons on
    • Aby
    • 04.11.09
    • 14:18

    the Ship? What you don't want to understand is ship cargo manifests that there was no weapons on the ship. But there was. This arms are illegal according to Int. Law. You get it or not. Aby Aby

  • 93. 0 0
    Israel is at war with syria
    • dave
    • 04.11.09
    • 14:17

    so nothing illegal sorry. syria can do the same but it cant sorry in this world strong and the lucky ones win sorry u cant change the nature of people sorry syria is too coward to act like a real country sorry syria hides behind hizb and hamas to attack isr too coward to do it with its army sorry why would they use their own citizens when they can use other fellow arabs sorry for pals and lebanon the act of war was in 48 and still at war with isr.they refuse direct talks etc etc they arm terrorists they get what they deserve sorry there is nothing u can do about it but blah blah and spend all ur day here which is no use... sorry if u dont have anything better to do in this life but writing on this wall and bashing isr to satisfy ur ''complexe d'infériorité'' IM VERY VERY VERY SORRY FOR U GUYS

  • 92. 0 0
    Good Catch Today!
    • Jane
    • 04.11.09
    • 14:16

    Less weapons in terrorist hands is a good thing for everyone. Good job Shayetet.

  • 91. 0 0
    #40 Chris Linthwaite Knower of everything
    • H
    • 04.11.09
    • 14:15

    Imagine confiscating weapons that would be used to kill your children. It's disgusting. BTW Wouldn't a food shipment for the starving people of Gaza been more appropriate?

  • 90. 0 0
    In Australia, CJ!
    • Romano
    • 04.11.09
    • 14:13

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    Johnboy why don't you question
    • dudu
    • 04.11.09
    • 14:10

    why a respectable feeder service as UFS is shipping illegal arms to terrorist groups. This cargo was shipped as civilian cargo therefore breaking every international standard code of carrying dangerous goods.

  • 88. 0 0
    Linthwaite: Who cares under which UN mandate Israel operated?
    • Lee
    • 04.11.09
    • 14:09

    It stopped Hezbollah from getting missiles. That's a bad thing? This (and Goldstone) just shows why the laws must be changed to accommodate the fight against terrorism. That's our next fight. Get your keyboard ready.

  • 87. 0 0
    to number1 and 6
    • robert
    • 04.11.09
    • 14:05

    One ship caught 10 went thru

  • 86. 0 0
    Linthwaite to Yitz
    • ChanahS
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:58

    Israel owes you no explanations.

  • 85. 0 0
    ChanahS - put up an example of the US seizing ships in
    • CJ
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:57

    International waters.....thx

  • 84. 0 0
    It's a change, anyway
    • H50
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:55

    This makes a change from the usual piracy of the Israeli navy - what happened to the last ship, the one intercepted for arms but was in fact carrying tractor supplies? I think you're being much more cautious about allowing news to leak out regarding the ships you board and search. You only admit to the ones who are carrying arms. Of course, you have let a few slip through now, or at least the head of military "intelligence" thinks so.

  • 83. 0 0
    Linthwaite 61 you've lost it
    • ChanahS
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:54

    "Either Hezbollah is a terrorist organisation or a legitimate member of the Lebanese Government you cannot have it both ways." Hizbollah happens to be both - which ever way you look at it. Where else does a political party have its own army? "And it is very important that the distinction is made as Israel yet again tries to solve it`s water shortages by trying to capture the Litani River." On what do you base this utter rubbish?! "

  • 82. 0 0
    Daniel - no such thing as International waters of coasts.
    • CJ
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:53

    Either they are International waters or they are not.

  • 81. 0 0
    Esther 64. Perceptive as always.
    • Michael
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:51

    Think the time of the raid to coincide with the UN vote is deliberate or just fortuitous?

  • 80. 0 0
    Hey Chris think about this
    • Ilan
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:51

    Syria is and has been actively involved in hostile acts against Israel for many years. Arming Hezbolla which in attacks Israel is also an act of war. Of couse Syria could try to do something more overtly, but then Israel would retaliate at a higher level. Israel was about 20 min from Damascus at the end of the '73 war, it is certainly in range today as well. Keeping the Golan is a good deterrent and better than a fake friendship with baby bashar.

  • 79. 0 0
    Does the ship contain any Goldstones, rockets recently tested in
    • Talia, mother of 3
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:50

    Gaza and are designed to hit Jewish kindergartens in Tel-Aviv and surrounding areas? I wonder if Mr. Richard Goldstone knows how his name is commemorated by the Gazans?

  • 78. 0 0
    Daniel Stop squirming B4 U make a complete idiot of yourself.
    • CJ
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:49

    "I did not make myself clear. This is not referring to territorial waters. This is referring to international waters that border a coastal state." No it isn't. Read the Law. "So either Israel or Cyprus could have boarded the boat because the ship was in international waters between both of their coasts." Twaddle, International is International. All states have a right to freely ply International waters. "Ships are inspected and contraband seized in international waters all the time" Only by pirates.

  • 77. 0 0
    #72 Yitz of modin
    • Chris Linthwaite
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:47

    I just want Israel to explain under what authority, and why it would halt this arms shipment (which may be a perfectley legal transaction between Sudan and Syria). I also want to know when the United States intercepted some rockets going to Syria from Iran they had to let the ship go as no law had been broken. So what has changed since the beginning of the year? And why is Israel allowed to change the rules when it suits it? And if Russia halted weapons shipments to Israel because they may use them against it's ally Syria as technically it is in a state of war with Israel. Would you not be screaming that it was an act of Piracy?

  • 76. 0 0
    Johnboy 38 - selective reading
    • ChanahS
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:46

    Daniels (26): The United States seizes ships carrying drugs "in international waters" which are off its coast all the time. The same provisions apply to weapons. You simply ignored "in international waters" in the above quote. Regarding you "independent thought" comment in #35 - do you think your sources on info are any more realiable than "hasbara comic books"? What a joke.

  • 75. 0 0
    Who doesn't brake international law
    • Elsir Khalil
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:37

    I think it would be better to suggest solutions rather than blaming one country for violating Internationl laws,itis true that there's different levels of voilations ,but at last you can't find acountry of angles population, so let us focus on how could we lessen these violations by sitting on the ground and pay the chance for our minds in order to build not aperfect world, but aworld that could join us with less pain and suffering, and this sould be the aim of both Israeli and Iranians.

  • 74. 0 0
    Erik 11
    • ChanahS
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:36

    Are you comparing a sovereign country's rights to defend itself with those of terririst groups to arm themselves inorder to attack that country?

  • 73. 0 0
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    Chris Linthwaite - What's Up
    • Yitz
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:34

    I am perplexed that Chris is so passionately angered with this development. Chris himself acknowledges there are terrorists who consciously target innocent Israeli citizens with weapons brought in to the area from abroad. Chris also deplores Israeli incursions into Gaza as a way to stop these attacks since the there are too many civilians caught in the line of fire. So now when Israel finds a bloodless way to stop these weapons from coming in, its piracy and flagrant violations of international law. It seems to me that Chris is being unreasonable about what methods are allowable to defend oneself from terrorism.

  • 71. 0 0
    #38
    • Daniel
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:31

    If you look at the map, these were international waters of both the coast of Israel and Cyprus.

  • 70. 0 0
    To #46
    • Daniel
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:30

    Sorry, I did not make myself clear. This is not referring to territorial waters. This is referring to international waters that border a coastal state. So either Israel or Cyprus could have boarded the boat because the ship was in international waters between both of their coasts. Ships are inspected and contraband seized in international waters all the time.

  • 69. 0 0
    to all you lovers of international law -
    • ivo
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:28

    - particularly mariapalestina, michael, johnboy & 'super-legalist' CJ. none of you know anything about the intelligence israel may've obtained on the ship prior to the operation. if indeed the weapons were meant for hezbollah they're definitely banned under 1701, so what's the problem? you seem to get conspicuously nervous when any letter of the law shivers only a little bit in disfavour of an israeli action, as if this was all that mattered, while not a peep is heard from you when it's grossly & unashamedly broken by the other side. the law is not your concern. fortunately, while people like you will sit & discuss legality ad infinitum some know how to act in order to defend their country & the lives of their people. a-n-y western military power would do this in a similar situation, so why not discuss what really does matter?

  • 68. 0 0
    To all those asking about if the situation was flipped
    • antony
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:28

    To all those asking about if the situation was flipped, it would be an outrage, as they would be hijacking a ship going from one legitimate navy to another. But these are illegal weapons going to a terrorist organisation. Very different.

  • 67. 0 0
    #63 British Zionist (Can there be such a thing)
    • Chris Linthwaite
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:25

    If the Royal Navy intercepted arms from say Libya being delivered to the IRA I would be delighted as I am sure you would be. As it was it was the French Navy who did the deed but only after the boat with said arms strayed INTO it's territorial waters. However, how do you know this is an illegal arms shipment? All we have is Israel's word for it. If the arms were picked up in Sudan and was due to be delivered to Syria can you tell me which laws were broken? And as has been suggested when the United states found some weapons in the same region on a boat being delivered to Syria they had to let it go? And what makes Israel immune from International Law when even the Americans under George W abided by it?

  • 66. 0 0
    Johnboy
    • Ishai
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:24

    You are a rather curious case...aren't you? So you hail from Australia do you? a light unto the nations in terms of International law, isn't it?...

  • 65. 0 0
    Israel has the right to capture the ship!!
    • Ami Israel Goldman
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:20

    An exclusive economic zone extends from the outer limit of the territorial sea to a maximum of 200 nautical miles (370.4 km) from the territorial sea baseline, thus it includes the contiguous zone. A coastal nation has control of all economic resources within its exclusive economic zone, including fishing, mining, oil exploration, and any pollution of those resources. However, it cannot prohibit passage or loitering above, on, or under the surface of the sea that is in compliance with the laws and regulations adopted by the coastal State in accordance with the provisions of the UN Convention, within that portion of its exclusive economic zone beyond its territorial sea - EXCEPT IN CASE OF BELLIGERENT ACTIVITIES.

  • 64. 0 0
  • 63. 0 0
    #7 Piracy on the high seas
    • British Zionist
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:14

    Would you not be pleased and relieved had the British Navy raided a ship in Atlantic of Portugal with weapons which were eventually meant for British Cities? Of course you would so why is it any different for Israel?

  • 62. 0 0
    Borders Shmorders
    • Free World
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:13

    When the US was at war, did it stop its Navy at it's international border line?? Did the UK? Japan? NO COUNTRY DOES !!!! Israel is at war with Hezbolla, Hamas and all other terrorists countries/organizations. Unfortunately, it is a global war in which ALL us civilized people fight. Israel just did what some others are just too stupid or too lazy not to do or are just pissed off that they didn't get there first. Instead of critizing Israel, we should all be THANKING Israel.

  • 61. 0 0
    #52 Matt of Tel Aviv
    • Chris Linthwaite
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:13

    Make your mind up. Either Hezbollah is a terrorist organisation or a legitimate member of the Lebanese Government you cannot have it both ways. And it is very important that the distinction is made as Israel yet again tries to solve it's water shortages by trying to capture the Litani River.

  • 60. 0 0
    Thank you israeli navy
    • dave
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:12

    for preventing an other brutal war! for saving lives at both side for preventing the israeli unproportionnel(as its called in this world cuz everything jews do is unproportionnel) a israeli response. for preventing the death of more kids by these weapons( in both side cuz missiles can hit kindergardens schools houses and hizbullah puts the launching pads at the top of houses in kindergardens schools hospitals) Thank u israel for preventing civilian casualties by ENDING THE WAR BEFORE STARING IT! and people just see where this dangerous ship is seized! and these people re the same ones that when there is a war crying and blaming israel to fight and they claim to be the peacelovers. when isr prevents this it becomes pirate! LONG LIVE THE NATION OF ISRAEL!! AM ISRAEL HAY!!!

  • 59. 0 0
    Mat - UH?
    • CJ
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:11

    "Who cares about territorial waters in situations of national security?" A free for all huh? Strange, that's why there are LAWS governing International Waters.

  • 58. 0 0
    #48 Adam
    • Chris Linthwaite
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:09

    It is not anti semitism to question just how far Israel has jurisdiction off it's coast. It is also not anti semitism, to condemn Israelis siezure of a commonwealth flagged vessel hundreds of miles off it's shores and then taking the ship and the crew hostage. It is also not anti semitism to point out if the arms originated in Sudan and were in the process of being transported to Syria then this was an act of piracy on the high seas. And can you tell me what proof you have that these weapons were going to be aimed at Kindergartens?

  • 57. 0 0
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  • 55. 0 0
    #43 Those are bold claims, Michael
    • Johnboy
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:06

    MD: "I see it has escaped your notice that the arms in question were being smuggled- in other words, transported illegally." No, they were "hidden". And considering the threat of Israeli piracy in these waters that seems a sensible (if in this case futile) thing to do. MD: "All navies have the right (and duty, under maritime law) to stop and inspect ships suspected of smuggling in international waters." Again, you have not proven your claim of "smuggling", and I'll point out that when the US Navy stopped a ship in similar circumstances a few months back it had to let it go. Int'l Law 'n' all that... MD: "As for intercepting legal arms shipments that meet the requirements for shipping arms from maker to client--that`s called piracy." In what way are these arms shipments "illegal", Michael? Because you say that they are, or because Israel says that they are?

  • 54. 0 0
    BRAVO!!!
    • Israeli citizen
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:04

  • 53. 0 0
  • 52. 0 0
    Territotial waters...
    • Mat
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:04

    Who cares about territorial waters in situations of national security? Firstly these were international waters so not really anyones, I'm sure Israel did this as not to offend any other nation. Having said that when it comes to 50 tonnes of arms being smuggled in order to be shot at your population by terrorists, given to them by a country that would like to wipe you off the map and a good few scores of millions of faciast islamic maniacs who want to kill you, do you really look at all the t's and dot all the i's? WHICH ACTUALLY IN THIS CASE ISRAEL HAS APPEARED TO HAVE DONE! Our terrotorial waters will span 360 degress of this globe if you happen to be smuggling weapons to give to terrorists whom will then target our civilians, SO FOR ANYONE WHO DOESNT UNDERSTAND, you are right to think we will target you if you are trying to kill our civilians NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE AND NO MATTER WHAT THE FINE PRINT IS, THAT IS REALITY! For this reason IRAN better watch out!Well done Israel!

  • 51. 0 0
    Relying on the U.N
    • Tublecain
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:03

    I cant believe people still believe that the UN are able to sort out problems on behalf of Israel. What a complete and utter farce!!!! What help were the U.N in Rwanda when they stood by and watched while millions were bayoneted to death and scores of women removed to Rape Camps whilst the Left Wing U.N organised forces stood by and watched for several months without doing a thing about it? This is the most corrupt organisation on the face of the earth and its a good thing that Israel are not involved with it. Good on the Israel Navy for having the courage to go after these cowards and deal with Iran whilst the rest of the world soil their pants and act in exactly the same manner as the other gutless nations did when Hitler clearly began his plans for war in 1936.

  • 50. 0 0
    Another hollow victory for Israel.
    • Michael
    • 04.11.09
    • 13:01

    All the Kol Hakavods in the world aren't going to alter the fact that the weapons usually get through. Hezbollah is fully rearmed with its arsenal upgraded and Hamas is going the same way. This also slightly reinforces the idea that the only language Israel understands is short term force. It's very good at that. These days it seems to be completely uselss at diplomacy, debate, discussion or long term strategy. Interesting timing this,on the morning of the UN vote on Goldstone.

  • 49. 0 0
    #44 llan
    • Chris Linthwaite
    • 04.11.09
    • 12:58

    Often wondered why Syria didn't mine the port at Haifa. With this state of war and Israel illegally occupying The Golan. Afterall Syria and Israel are at war, Syria could even check ships heading for Israel off the coast of Cyprus to. Afterall if it is alright for Israel to do so, then the same rules should be allowed to apply for Syria, or Lebanon for that matter. Apparently they are still at war with Israel to, as is Saudi Arabia, who incidentally are buying the S 400 from Russia ($7 billion worth) and which will give them the ability to shoot down aircraft in Israeli airspace. Israel going to intercept these to, afterall the deal was brokered by the United States, and is clearly a violation of International war as Saudi Arabia and Israel are still technically at war. Or is that different?

  • 48. 0 0
    A case study for Anti-Semetism
    • Adam
    • 04.11.09
    • 12:56

    I have always believed (even as a right leaner) that anti- Israel does not equate anti semetism or being critical of Israeli actions doesnt make you anti Israel or anti semetic. However, when Israel catches illegal weapons cargo (obviously through intelligence) and prevents those weapons (that are not defensive) from heading towards a international recognized terrorist organization, the topic of debate among most here is not about why does a terrorist organization want these weapons, but rather how far israel was off the coast. It astounds me, that pro israel or not, there is no congratulations for stopping non descriminatory weapons from landing in kindergartens in the future. this is anti semetism.

  • 47. 0 0
    Israel the bad boy of ME
    • dave
    • 04.11.09
    • 12:53

    israel has every right to seize any weapon to be used against it anywhere in this world point final... its beyond intl law! it broke the intl law but prevented another war to be launched with those weapons and saved many lives thats what matters. but i see that it saddens people who wants more wars against israel sorry for u guyz isr will always do this and there is nothing you can do about it. and dont worry there will be a time that u will be happy too there will surely an other war against israel but than u'll be unhappy again cuz isr will be victorious AM ISRAEL HAY!!!

  • 46. 0 0
    To #26 #30
    • Yaron
    • 04.11.09
    • 12:50

    The ship was boarded near Cyprus according to the article. Cyprus may had, the right to board it. But Israel definitely not. Cyprus had maybe also the right to board the Israeli Navy ship

  • 45. 0 0
    Sudan and Syria
    • Kevin
    • 04.11.09
    • 12:48

    If I recall, Israel also illegally attacked Sudan and Syria within the past few years, in addition to the Lebanon affair. Mustn't forget those transgressions. Now Antigua. A behavioral pattern establishing itself for quite some time now. Clearly Israel is a rogue state who thumbs her nose at international law and norms, and the ideals and practical affects they seek to endeavour. I suggest Israelis take the occasion to read the UN Charter that they willingly signed and therefor agreed to abide by, although if they did they might come across that bit about land acquisition through warfare being in no uncertain terms completely disallowed in our modern era...

  • 44. 0 0
    Oh no, Syria will declare war against us
    • Ilan
    • 04.11.09
    • 12:47

    Oh that's right. Technically they have been in a state of war since 1948. Well then they will just have to be angry then and grimace a good deal.

  • 43. 0 0
    Johnboy
    • Michael Davison
    • 04.11.09
    • 12:47

    I see it has escaped your notice that the arms in question were being smuggled- in other words, transported illegally. All navies have the right (and duty, under maritime law) to stop and inspect ships suspected of smuggling in international waters. As for intercepting legal arms shipments that meet the requirements for shipping arms from maker to client--that's called piracy. The fact that you can't tell the difference between the two is a plain indication of your inability to understand just about anything.

  • 42. 0 0
    #39 Jonathan in Tel Aviv
    • Chris Linthwaite
    • 04.11.09
    • 12:39

    and if the paperwork turns up showing that the Arms actually originate from the Sudan? Then Israel has committed an act of Piracy and broken International Law.

  • 41. 0 0
    #37 yerushalmi
    • Chris Linthwaite
    • 04.11.09
    • 12:38

    Best tell the Head of the Israeli Navy to holiday at the Kinneret. Having broken International Law he will be liable for arrest if as usual he takes advantage of the January Sales in London with his wife. Whinge away me hearties.

  • 40. 0 0
    #34 Mike B of London
    • Chris Linthwaite
    • 04.11.09
    • 12:34

    If the ship is transporting weapons between Sudan and Syria it is not breaking any laws including UN resolutions. And I ask again under what UN mandate is Israel operating, and just what are Israel's territorial waters?. Mark Lewiston is right Antigua heeds to invoke the Admiralty Laws against Israel. The International Community should also apply the same rules for Israeli vessels that Israel is applying to Planet Earth's to. And can you tell me just when and under which International Law enabled Israel to declare who is a rogue state or not?

  • 39. 0 0
    Iranian arms exports are illegal n/t
    • JonathanInTelAviv
    • 04.11.09
    • 12:30

  • 38. 0 0
    #26 Err, Daniel, care to read again?
    • Johnboy
    • 04.11.09
    • 12:30

    D: "The United States seizes ships carrying drugs in international waters which are off its coast all the time." The key phrase: "off its coast" As in, the USA can do this off its own coast, but it can't do this off anyone else's coast. Which leads us to...... "a daring pre-dawn raid not far from Cyprus" Whose coast is "not far from Cyprus", Daniel? It ain't the "USA". It ain't "Israel".

  • 37. 0 0
    good
    • yerushalmi
    • 04.11.09
    • 12:29

    Great action!more than it is military success,it is great just to hear Mariapalestine and Linthwait crys wolf.only for that it was worth it.

  • 36. 0 0
    so it would be OK
    • John the American
    • 04.11.09
    • 12:28

    for another country to hijack a ship bound for Israel that is carrying weapons to use against Hizbollah and Hamas??? Israel broke International law and should be condemned.

  • 35. 0 0
    #25 Canadian knee-jerks his way into talkback
    • Johnboy
    • 04.11.09
    • 12:25

    C: "Think about what Iran represents," A sovereign state whose ship has just been siezed on the high seas by the armed forces of another state. That's an act of war, Canadian, with "Israel" as the aggressor and "Iran" as the aggrieved. C: "and do much better research on Israel from better sources." Yeah, I have: I have avoided the Hasbarah History Comic Books that you obviously relish. C: "That should cure ya." Of what, Canadian? Independent thought, perhaps?

  • 34. 0 0
    #7
    • Mike B
    • 04.11.09
    • 12:25

    What is an Antiguan-flagged vessel doing transporting offensive weapons between rogue states?

  • 33. 0 0
    mariapalestine
    • Yaron
    • 04.11.09
    • 12:24

    I guess that smuggling arms for terror is a show of conscience,and respect of international laws. Palestinian logic!

  • 32. 0 0
    Daniel - You have no idea of what you're talking about
    • CJ
    • 04.11.09
    • 12:15

    "Enforcement of laws and regulations of the coastal State 1. The coastal State may ... " Israel is only the coastal state to Israeli territorial waters.

  • 31. 0 0
    Proud Israeli - Uh?
    • CJ
    • 04.11.09
    • 12:11

    "When we left Lebanon in the last war it was with assurances from the UN that they would police Southern Lebanon and keep Hezbolla from rearming. Predictably they have failed miserably" Predictably you have no idea of what 1701 said.

  • 30. 0 0
    Thank you #26 Maybe these 'act of war' brats will shut up now..
    • Liam
    • 04.11.09
    • 12:08

    Title speaks for itself, and there you have it folks, the legal information regarding this type of scenario. Whether you like it or not, Israel did not violate any laws here.

  • 29. 0 0
    Johnboy
    • Daniela
    • 04.11.09
    • 12:07

    are you able to understand that all these arms are sent for fighting Israel? They put UNIFIL to block re arm of hetzbollah, if unifil doesn't do anything Israel does. Listen, we all wants peace, I can see arabs way to "make peace", believe me they will not go very far. STOP JIHAD !

  • 28. 0 0
    Petra - The Palestinians actually have a RIGHT to obtain arms.
    • CJ
    • 04.11.09
    • 12:07

    "Hope Israel intercepts all of the arms entering Gaza illegally" What 'illegally' ?

  • 27. 0 0
  • 26. 0 0
    United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea
    • Daniel
    • 04.11.09
    • 12:03

    Hi Guys, Let me just give you a legal perspective on this. This is from "United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, 1982: a commentary," page 784. "Enforcement of laws and regulations of the coastal State 1. The coastal State may ... take such measures, including boarding, inspection, arrest and udicial proceedings, as may be necessary to ensure compliance with the laws and regulations adopted by it ... " There is no argument here that Israel invaded another states' waters to do this, so it is not an act of war. Ships off the coast of a sovereign state can be boarded if they are believed to be carrying contraband. The United States seizes ships carrying drugs in international waters which are off its coast all the time. The same provisions apply to weapons. This is neither an act of war against the state whose ship this flag is sailing, this is not a military ship, nor is it an act of piracy, which is the seizing of lawful cargo.

  • 25. 0 0
    #17-tunnel vision Johnboy
    • Canadian
    • 04.11.09
    • 11:59

    Think about what Iran represents, and do much better research on Israel from better sources. That should cure ya.

  • 24. 0 0
    Piracy?
    • Liam
    • 04.11.09
    • 11:53

    To the ones who called the Israeli raid an act of war, or an act of piracy, you lot are dead wrong, unfortunately for yourselves. Why were the Israeli's the only ones to launch a raid like this? Because the Israeli military is the only military in the region that cares not about public opinion, but more about getting the job done. What would have happened if the Iranians intercepted a US ship carrying weapons to Israel? It wouldn't happen. This is the crucial difference in the way we do things. The United States uses Military craft to transport military equipment. We do not try to disguise ourselves as Civilians from another country to smuggle weapons to Terrorists. Kudos to the Israeli Navy Special Forces and to the Israeli Navy in general for doing whatever it can to keep their waters and the surrounding area secure.

  • 23. 0 0
    Thank you
    • Sarah
    • 04.11.09
    • 11:51

    Thanks for the contribution to IDF weapons,Iran!

  • 22. 0 0
    TO Mariapalestina
    • Proud Israeli
    • 04.11.09
    • 11:50

    Your Hezbolla is stocking up for another war against out civilians. We are trying to stop it. When we left Lebanon in the last war it was with assurances from the UN that they would police Southern Lebanon and keep Hezbolla from rearming. Predictably they have failed miserably. Predictably, Israel is left to defend herself once again. If you want peace with us, please kick out Hezbolla from your midst.

  • 21. 0 0
    To: # 12
    • Grubi
    • 04.11.09
    • 11:50

    Er Where do Israel`s territorial waters end? Anyone know? Dear CJ. I know. IN AUSTRALIA!

  • 20. 0 0
    EXCELLENT!! CONGRATULATIONS ON A JOB WELL DONE.
    • Petra
    • 04.11.09
    • 11:48

    Hope Israel intercepts all of the arms entering Gaza illegally. Makes me very proud, as always to see the stealth and expertise Israel shows, repeatedly.

  • 19. 0 0
    Silly anti-Israeli-types and their "act of war" gibberish
    • SDHD
    • 04.11.09
    • 11:44

    Isn't it ironic that Israel captures a weapons ship. The weapons are hidden. Israel is at war with the Palestinians. But a few from the usual anti-Israeli without-a-clue contingent prattle about "piracy" and "acts of war." Part of the irony is that the ship is probably transporting banned weapons -- also an act of war. Masquerading "peaceniks" getting all bent out of shape when weapons are confiscated. Such weapons are used to kill. I thought you brain trusts were against "killing." I suppose the benevolent hunger for life, liberty, and peace doesn't apply to Jews or Jewish Israelis.

  • 18. 0 0
    Rule Britannia
    • rob
    • 04.11.09
    • 11:43

    while Israeli commandos storm a weapons ship, the best the British marines can do is burst into tears when Iranians capture their boat and take their ipods away.. LOL

  • 17. 0 0
    I'm rather curious.....
    • Johnboy
    • 04.11.09
    • 11:32

    "Navy special forces on Wednesday took control of an Iranian vessel carrying arms intended for Hezbollah in a daring pre-dawn raid not far from Cyprus." Not. far. from. Cyprus. You mean outside of Israeli territorial waters? Hmmmmmmmmmm, I'm curious: under what mandate can the IDF intercept and hijack foreign flagged ships in international waters? What happens if another navy intercepts and hijacks an Israeli ship in international waters because it is carrying Israeli-manufactured weapons? Forth biggest arms exporter in the world, so there's gotta be plenty of juicy targets plying their trade in open seas right this instant. What if someone nabs one? You'd all be A-OK with that, won't you?

  • 16. 0 0
    Not Piracy, Just an Act of War
    • Mark of Lewiston
    • 04.11.09
    • 11:30

    Israel's action, no matter where it may have taken place, is not an act of piracy. It is an act of war against the country whose flag the ship flew. That country and the ship's owners have to decide if they want to take it that way or not. They are justified if they do under Admiralty Law. They may also sue for any seized cargo. Might make an interesting case. This was virtually a no-risk operation. Most cargo ships sail unarmed, even in Somali waters.

  • 15. 0 0
    Hello Gem
    • Hertzel
    • 04.11.09
    • 11:26

    Thank You ! And you are a true Gem... Thank for your friendship.

  • 14. 0 0
    Pirate
    • Tomi
    • 04.11.09
    • 11:24

    US ship bound to Israel should be hijacked too, they carry F16 jet engine, smart bomb, ammos for IDF..

  • 13. 0 0
    UN mandate?
    • Proud Israaeeli
    • 04.11.09
    • 11:21

    How long does it take to get the UN together just to meet yet alone decide upon something. Who did the UN help in time? They are a bunch of beurocrats! Well done Israel you have a great military, both us and our allies (US,France,Germany) are proud of this great accomplishment. Maybe the rest of the world will also start to stand against Islamic Fanatisisim but I know we will lead the way on this fight. Like Netanyahu said a few years ago in a speech I saw in London "At the beginning the world thought Hitler was a Europen problem, but they soon realised they were mistaken" he then said "The same will happen with this radical strain of Islam" , the start is only just surfacing, no one is safe with crazy madmen willing to die for a few bucks and the belief they have 14 virgins? WELL DONE ISRAEL!

  • 12. 0 0
    Er Where do Israel's territorial waters end?
    • CJ
    • 04.11.09
    • 11:18

    Anyone know?

  • 11. 0 0
    Piracy
    • Erik
    • 04.11.09
    • 11:17

    What would have happened if it was Iran that boarded a US arms cargo to Israel on international water?

  • 10. 0 0
    Pirate
    • Gem
    • 04.11.09
    • 11:16

    I support Israel for this act. If Israel manages to stop the arms shipments to the enemies always, this will help more peace in the region. Once Israel fails to exercise this policing, war in middle east is just closer and closer to reality. Keep the good job Israel and just ignore those bigot who tries to undermine your duty to protect your people. I would do and instruct the same if I were a general army of IDF. Unluckily I am from New Zealand and am only a civilian. Bravo!!!

  • 9. 0 0
    dont be patting yourself
    • mark
    • 04.11.09
    • 11:15

    on the back for every gun you catch there are probably ten getting by your navy They navy must have missed the boat carrying the long range missile to bad on that one. If you want security strive for peace not settlements and military hardware.

  • 8. 0 0
    Maria the pitiful
    • Hertzel
    • 04.11.09
    • 11:13

    In the name of so called international law you and your ilks are trying to strip Israel from it's ability to defend it's people. You are nothing but an aid to killers that want to eliminate a nation for no reason but their religion, and yet you are so stupid that you canot see or understand what you are doing. I would have felt sorry for your kind, if only you were not doing so much harm to innocent jews.

  • 7. 0 0
    Piracy on the High seas
    • Chris Linthwaite
    • 04.11.09
    • 11:11

    Under which UN resolution was this military action against a ship registered with a Commonwealth Country undertaken?

  • 6. 0 0
    #1, Teacher, agree completely
    • Cipora Julianna Kohn
    • 04.11.09
    • 11:08

    great job by israel's navy. never give them a minute's rest.

  • 5. 0 0
    Israel Breaks International Law !
    • Michael
    • 04.11.09
    • 11:04

    No doubt Israel will be accused of lots of terrible crimes by stopping yet another arms shipment. I'm sure Banki M will be very concerned.... Incidentally, where were all the other world navies & inteligence authorities? Why did this have to be left to Israel (again)?

  • 4. 0 0
    Kol hakavod
    • Charles
    • 04.11.09
    • 11:01

    well done, stop the murderous Syrian-Iranian-Hamas league

  • 3. 0 0
    mariapalestina's international waters
    • SDHD
    • 04.11.09
    • 11:01

    "No conscience, no shame, and no respect for international law." Of course. Intercepting arms shipments from those who attack you, is "disrespectful."

  • 2. 0 0
    More piracy
    • mariapalestina
    • 04.11.09
    • 10:55

    100 miles off the coast of Israel is international waters and outside of Israel's jurisdiction. Israel must be hard up for boats. It already pirated and stole our boat SPIRIT OF HUMANITY, the freighter TALI, and now this boat. No conscience, no shame, and no respect for international law.

  • 1. 0 0
    Arms-Laden ship
    • The Teacher/Instruct
    • 04.11.09
    • 10:39

    Arms-Laden Ship. Good job.Never falter.Never fail to catch them ! Bravo !