Israel believes Dubai passport row won't cause major crisis
Government officials estimate affair will pass unless new evidence emerges implicating Israel.
By Barak Ravid, Fadi Eyadat, Avi Issacharoff and Danna Harman Tags: Israel Mossad Israel newsIsrael's government believes that a row over forged French, British, German and Irish passports used by the suspected assassins of Hamas official Mahmoud al-Mabhouh in Dubai is not likely to develop into a major diplomatic crisis.
Mabhouh was found dead in a Dubai hotel room in January, and the tiny emirate has named 11 people it believes carried out the killing. Charges that Israel's Mossad spy agency was behind the assassination have been strengthened in recent days by revelations that seven of the suspects entered Dubai on British passports bearing the names of British-born Israelis.
"At this stage, there is no evidence linking Israel to the incident, and if that continues, the affair will subside quickly," one senior Israeli official predicted. Nevertheless, he added, Israeli diplomats and intelligence personnel will hold additional conversations about the case with their British counterparts over the next few days.
Dubai police have accused Mossad of being behind the assassination, which Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman has declined to confirm or deny, citing Israel's policy of ambiguity on such matters.
Meanwhile, the Wall Street Journal, citing sources in the United Arab Emirates, has reported that five of the suspects used credit cards issued by an American bank to buy plane tickets, among other outlays. However, the U.S. State Department has not yet demanded any clarifications from Israel, unlike the four European countries whose passports were forged by the assassins.
The Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem is trying to cope with the diplomatic fallout. But though the Israeli ambassadors in both London and Dublin were summoned for clarification meetings Thursday, and France and Germany have also asked Israel for any information it has about who was behind the forged passports.
The Israeli citizens who identities were stolen are also still trying to deal with the fallout. One of them, Melvyn Adam Mildiner of Beit Shemesh, has been hiding at home since the news broke, and his wife said that their children are feeling very pressured, bewildered by the sudden interest in their father.
Another, Paul Keeley, decided to leave his home on Kibbutz Nachsholim for a few days and visit relatives in the center of the country in order to escape the journalists who have been besieging him for the past two days.
On Thursday, when one journalist entered the kibbutz and asked for Keeley's house, an angry resident responded, "leave him alone. Give the poor man a little quiet."
A friend said that Keeley's father still lives in England, and that is how he found out that his identity had been used - when his father read it in the paper.
"I understand that he [Paul] is now afraid to leave the country," the friend added.
"I've heard that Paul is planning to sue the state, and rightly so," said another kibbutz member. "How can it be that a person sits at home, lives only to support his family, and they accuse him of an assassination overseas? We on the kibbutz all laughed over it, but for Paul, it's a nightmare."
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Ben Jabo, what you are talking about is irrelevant. If you want to get into a country for personal reasons, you can get a cheap fake passport. And if at some point they notice, you might spend a few weeks in custody before they deport you. That's OK, the alternative was not to get in at all. If you go into an arab country to kill somebody, you *do* *not* want them to notice your fake passport when you are leaving. It should have no flaws. If they call Germany and ask the Germans whether your passport number is correct and whether you really do live at 11701 Eisenstrasse in Berlin, you want the answer to be yes. A cheap fake passport might get your head cut off. These passports were excellent. They didn't break down until the authorities tried to find the owners to question them. No comparison.
Killing/Murder assasination how ever you want to put it its all the same." Maybe you're right. Maybe you're right that Israel is no different from Hamas. I hope you're wrong.
"It`s the way it`s been done that annoys people like me who have dual Israeli-British citizenship." "Firstly, it seems like the individuals` consent was not sought before the passports and identities were used." OK, you have two passports, right? Imagine that a few years ago Mossad asked your permission to copy your passport to protect Israel's existence. And imagine you said yes. And now this happens. Would you tell the media that you gave permission? There's a vague possibility still that this wasn't done by Mossad. There's a far stronger possibility that it was done by Mossad with the permission of the Israeli citizens involved. "Second, it puts these individuals at risk of being arrested should they travel anywhere abroad." Which is a second reason for them not to admit they gave permission. The world is treating them as victims now. They personally would be worse off if they announced they were volunteers, in addition to the world considering it proof that Israel did it.
"If you have the power no body can touch you." "The only law is the survival of the fittest." Israel is not the first to try this philosophy, even in living memory. It is not a good precedent to follow. So, the shoe is on the other foot now. But even if it feels like it fits better this way, you still don't have to wear it.
and what if the legal passports owners are now in danger targetted by Hamas? for Mossad, they are EXPANDABLES
You're displaying profound ignorance from a vast distance Surely, you've heard of "Forged Passports", readily available for a price Thousands have been manufactured to ease the entry of Illegals into the U.K. and most countries on this planet For goodness sake, Google it, instead of spouting off with your usual nonsense http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-388912/My-fake-passport-Britain.html My fake passport into Britainby SUE REID, Daily Mail Last updated at 11:43 03 June 2006 Comments (13) Add to My Stories The fake passport obtained by the Daily Mail's Sue Reid The Daily Mail today exposes how our shambolic border controls act as an incentive for thousands of illegal immigrants to come to Britain. With frightening ease, foreign terrorists and criminals can enter this country using fake EU passports made to order in 48 hours at counterfeiting factories in North London. I discovered the staggering scale of the scandal when I bought three forged passports for £1,200 each from an African middleman named Jonathan. Handing over the money in cash with three pictures of myself taken at a supermarket photo-booth, I told him my height, age and the new name I wanted put on the documents. Two days later, the three fake passports ? Italian, French and Portuguese ? were delivered to me in a white envelope at a wine bar near King's Cross railway station. In order to test how easily they could be used to gain entry into Britain, I sent the Italian passport (number 354167F) by post to a friend's address in northern France where I planned to collect it and then come back into the country. I was copying the simple trick of thousands of illegal immigrants who wait at the French port of Calais hoping to smuggle themselves to Britain. They buy a bogus EU passport from London, which is then sent to a box number at one of the port's post offices for them to pick up a day or two later. I assumed that my bogus Italian document would be spotted by British immigration officials when I made my illegal journey across the Channel After all, the last Home Secretary ? Charles Clarke ? lost his Government post over the scandal of 1,023 foreign criminals being let out of our jails without being considered for deportation. Worse, a senior Home Office civil servant Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-388912/My-fake-passport-Britain.html#ixzz0gDeDUHIC
Passport forgeries are old hat http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-388912/My-fake-passport-Britain.html My fake passport into Britainby SUE REID, Daily Mail Last updated at 11:43 03 June 2006 Comments (13) Add to My Stories The fake passport obtained by the Daily Mail's Sue Reid The Daily Mail today exposes how our shambolic border controls act as an incentive for thousands of illegal immigrants to come to Britain. With frightening ease, foreign terrorists and criminals can enter this country using fake EU passports made to order in 48 hours at counterfeiting factories in North London. I discovered the staggering scale of the scandal when I bought three forged passports for £1,200 each from an African middleman named Jonathan. Handing over the money in cash with three pictures of myself taken at a supermarket photo-booth, I told him my height, age and the new name I wanted put on the documents. Two days later, the three fake passports ? Italian, French and Portuguese ? were delivered to me in a white envelope at a wine bar near King's Cross railway station. In order to test how easily they could be used to gain entry into Britain, I sent the Italian passport (number 354167F) by post to a friend's address in northern France where I planned to collect it and then come back into the country. I was copying the simple trick of thousands of illegal immigrants who wait at the French port of Calais hoping to smuggle themselves to Britain. They buy a bogus EU passport from London, which is then sent to a box number at one of the port's post offices for them to pick up a day or two later. I assumed that my bogus Italian document would be spotted by British immigration officials when I made my illegal journey across the Channel After all, the last Home Secretary ? Charles Clarke ? lost his Government post over the scandal of 1,023 foreign criminals being let out of our jails without being considered for deportation. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-388912/My-fake-passport-Britain.html#ixzz0gDMQc0Nq
give them your phone number, they could consult on the best methods Messy?, Hardly, they all departed without being hindered He was responsible for kidnapping and killing of two IDF soldiers, you can bet he knew that he would get what was coming to him
Next time, to kill the man like Hamas senior member, do not deploy the white skin people..just let the man like me...i am proud to associate with Mossad breakthrough..any access to be agent? Call me: +6287890737531
I used to be long ago a supporter of a secular Jewish state that will "Shine a Beacon of Light Onto The world". You guys have turned into arrogant thugs that see no problem occupying other people for 44 years, no problem in murdering and bombing viciously in the name "Security". Your favorite target is helpless Lebanon, the only country in the ME that has fair elections, and the equals to (or better than) you in liberalism and culture. BTW I think Beirut is the best place in the world to have fun. (they have the best clubs in the world!). Check out this funny skit about the Sky Bar (The 2nd largest club in the world) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wISj-z1SO-8
me: " It is obviously meant to be a set up for blaming Israel, and of course the billions of common Israel-haters are sucking on it deeply." Three of the assassins had definitely stolen the identity of three olim who hailed from the UK and Ireland. I'm quite curious as to how your alleged "false-flag" spooks managed to steal those identities. The Mossad could steal those identities without raising a sweat i.e. they could scour the Israeli popln registry for some dudes who match their requirements, and then they can approach those dudes and ask to "borrow" their passports for a while. But how does anyone else do it, me? You are rather left with two possibilities: 1) an international conspiracy involving the security services of Britain, Ireland and Fatah, all of whom (a) want this guy dead so that (b) they can blame Mossad. OR 2) Mossad, how have (a) the means and (b) the motive. Occam's razor says that it's Mossad....
He wanted to die,to be martyrized and he's wish was fulfilled so why to waste someone's time with investigation? I'm sure Mabhouh would oppose it and that he's happy now.An apology for using foreign passports is good enough.
Once the IDF murdered a 12 year old school girl and shot her 40 bullets while mistankengly approached an israeli tower in Rafah .15 bullets were shot to confirm her death after she was a silent body and the soldiers were freed. No one can look at her pics.
just adding to the eventual isolation of Israel within the International community. No good asking for, sorry, demanding the world's help to ward off attack from it's neighbours, when the bully in the playground is threatened.
Any professional intelegents agency can carry out an assassination and frame a diffrent entity. It is no problem to obtain names of people in contries and forge passports. I know I'm not a member of any intellegent organization but I myself traveled in 1996 with 4 diffrent passports Russian, Polish, Canadian and Swiss. All of them had diffrent names coresponding to people who live in those contries.
Sounds like you put your money in the wrong place. Shit happens.
Does Mr. Shalit have any hope of release after this assasination? Did he have any hope before? If you followed the "negotiations", they were a series of increasing demands. Each and every time Israel ceded, it immediately led to upping the ante.
But you'd think they'd have found a less messy way to do it, eleven people, all those faked passports etc...
Given its track record and promises that they would not engage in such activity again.
Make Aliyah and have your identity stolen! Didn't see that one on the Nefesh B'Nefesh web site!
Israel's leaders said Goldstone wasn't going to be a big deal, so there was no need to cooperate with that either. Months later the Goldstone report gets issued, and now it is an ever-present weight dragging Israel down. Now here we are right back where we were before. This is Goldstone all over again. Instead of fully cooperating, there will be British, French, etc official inquiries that will investigate and publish reports. Israel is pretending that they can just wish away these inquiries and reports, the same way Israel deluded themselves into believing they could wish away the Goldstone report. Israel MUST cooperate fully with these investigations. Just wishing away everything will harm Israel much worse in the end.
... by Haaretz as plea for help to prove Israel wrong. Why just report the news when we can help shape it? The hit never went better than page 3 in the Washington Post, today got a few inches on page 9 on the basis of Dubai's police chief "99-100%" comment.
Media can be with the evil side, but the security of any nation is sacred, UK and Israel knows that and share the same ideals.
Hamas will drive a harder bargain. From their perspective who can blame them. Well done Israels right wing govt..... more death before we finally get peace.
The biggest threat to sanctions Peter is that the nations of the Persian Gulf would be required to bear the brunt of both enforcing and suffering from any limits upon financial and import-export activities. You need to read a bit of the Gulf Press and study up on shipping activities in the Gulf.
The premise of this article is that if Israel wishes hard enough Tinkerbell will live.
"Internacionale Jude" , sounds familiar ? No evidence needed .
There is no big deal actually. This should be a practice used by all intelligence agencies in the world. The rule is simple though. Don't get caught. I would've expected more from MOSSAD. Maybe they weren't even concerned w/ being caught in the first place as long as the job is done. I am sure that if Dubai did publicize what happened and British government found out from other channels, they would not care at all.
Let us hope Israelis will not be fooled by the rosy picture nedia analysts paint in the aftermath of Mossad Dubai boomerang. Imagine the resources, money, preparations and the amount of stupid planning that went to bring about this fiasco in order to kill a Hamas official who can even then be easily replaced. In its golden days, Mossad most probably used less money and resources to capture Adolph Eichmann. This operation also reveals the extremely limited resources at Mossad disposal in the Arab world these days after its espionage network was pretty much dismantled in Lebanon.
If indeed our brave agents took out this evil terrorist, the only crisis it will cause (and one that doesn't matter in the least) is to the JStreet/Meretz,Stefin Fetchit, left-wing wackos whose incredibly evolved, refined and superior sensibilities are a bit ruffled by this extra-judicial action. Let them do their shreiking and quacking and venting, but at the end of the day a Mitzvah Gedolah has been accomplished
I really don't know if we in Israel are behind this elimination, if we are why did we not use passports of countries like Norway who are traditionally against us, or other countries like that which will not be a great loss.
What I don't understand is why is there no fuss about Hamas/Islamic Jihad attempt to kill an entie Israeli envoy in Jordan recently. How is what happened in Dubai any different than what the US did yesterday in killing a Taliban leader. Killing/Murder assasination how ever you want to put it its all the same. I got it, Kill a Jew and everyone looks the other way, kill a terrorist and all hell breaks loose. He would still be alive the scum if Dubai arrested him instead of protected him.
the world, or more exactly the sane world, should rejoice and praise those who accomplished the deed.
a number of Irish passports were stolen from our embassy in cyprus 2 years ago. for a country of just over 4 million, our minister for foreign affairs confirmed that some 35,000 Irish passports are lost or missing, as reported by their holders. I'd say any other country, including the US and 'Israek', as you called it, has comparable figures for unaccounted passports.
Are you sure.? The world getting tired of Israel? I dont know in which world you live in but in the world I see around me, people are getting sick of Muslims (I regret that) and the International Community is debating sanctions on Iran.( Hopefully) Sanctions to Israel????? Where? Goldstone report????? Veto in the Security Council.....have you heard about that?
Dubai chief police conclusions are uncircumstiantial , has no hard forensic evidence backing his claims . All the Medias attention has put Dubai as a center for terrorism transactions , and as a actor connected thru its port to Iran nuke program .
but to be honest, in my small, powerless newspaper-reader's world, it's the apoplectic fits the 'abolish Israel' crowd are having that really make my day.
Where there is smoke, there is fire. The smoke, says it was a combined operation. Using various agencies. Plutonium was the subject. Interesting. Even the Swiss Media now talks more openly. Good day.
The Hammas arms buyer in Dubai is no loss - I think most people recognise that. It's the way it's been done that annoys people like me who have dual Israeli-British citizenship. Firstly, it seems like the individuals' consent was not sought before the passports and identities were used. Second, it puts these individuals at risk of being arrested should they travel anywhere abroad. They didn't ask for this, they didn' volunteer for this - Israel has put innocent individuals at risk and changed their lives for the worse. For the Americans who are crowing about how wonderful this assassination is....get off your behinds and come to Israel and see what it's like to live here before passing judgement. Secondly, you may think the British are all anti-semities etc: in fact, they're one of Israel's biggest trading partners. Together with the three other EU countries involved - if there's any fallout from this affair, the consequences for Israeli jobs and livelihoods will be very severe.
Right you are.
The British are fighting alongside US forces in Afghanistan, where Israel is conspicuous by it's absence. Personally i would love it if Israel broke of all relations with the United Kingdom. However as the United Kingdom accounts for 24% of all Israeli exports to the EU. I doubt that is going to happen anytime soon. Neither is the United States going to break off relations with it's closest ally. If you believe that you need treatment.
Or it might not.
Then the UK should use it's veto to delay the implementation of sanctions against Iran. Until Peres and Barak and Netanyahu come crawling to London on their hands and knees with apologies and several million in compensation 6 passports £60 million should do it.
We're been invaded by man eating plants? Seriously i can understand you would like this to just go away, but Israel used forged passports of my country to carry out a murder in Dubai. Someone has to pay for that. Prosor was given the opportunity to explain the Israeli actions yesterday and refused to do so. On Monday Avigdor (the nightclub bouncer)Lieberman is in Brussels, I expect he will be hearing the news that Mossad is no longer welcome in London, and a few Israeli diplomats will be expelled. If not all and relations downgraded to consular level. Like the last time Israel was caught in 1987
MF: "Some may think this implicates Israel, but Fatah, al-Qaeda and Hamas are known to have western supporters willing to do a little dirty work." Hmmmmm, there is still the uncomfortable task of accounting for HOW the killers managed to steal the identity of olim from Britain and Ireland. So either: 1) Hamas or Fatah have hacked into the Israeli population registry, or 2) Hamas or Fatah have hacked into the migration records of Britain and Ireland, or 3) Britain and Ireland have willingly agreed to trash the reputation of their own passports for the singular benefit of Hamas or Fatah None seem particularly likely to me. Occam's Razor therefore suggests that the names of olim who possessed valid British and Irish passports was obtained *by* Israeli spooks. After all, they are the ONLY bunch o' spooks who had free and unrestricted access to that information.
Is this how Israel is planning to secure the release of Gilad Shalit? Does Mr. Shalit have any hope of release after this assasination?
This cannot be happening without major friendship trouble between Israel and the countries involved. This is a shameless action, one Israel should not take lightly. The Mossad abused the names of innocent EU-Israeli citizens.
Imagine the feeling of finding out you've been set up. You have taken blood and it has been brought to the light. Yet those that say to you 'Let us make an with oath with Jacob that he might die with us because we have hated ourselves first'.You shall pay for eternity because you have been cunning. Surely The Name of the Lord is greatest in this whole galaxy. Howbeit thine enemy has spoken blood and you have taken action on his behalf and leaved his guilt upon your garment?
"Something really does not jive". You meant "jibe", MichaelF. Mossad wouldn't need to risk itself by setting up such a sloppy operation. It is obviously meant to be a set up for blaming Israel, and of course the billions of common Israel-haters are sucking on it deeply. Improvement of your English skills might even improve your logic.
Israel is protected and is sure the storm would die out soon. As in the case of Judge Goldstone report, time and ignorance by international agencies and media will takke care of these grave Israeli misjudgments and ourlaw behaviour. Dubai and the UAE is no pushover like other Arab dictatorial regimes (Emad Maghneya?), They sure have their reputation at stake, even though they belong to the Wetern camp, implementer and protector of Israel until the day when Arabs and Muslims become truelly free.
All the traveller from US, UK, France and Germany from now on would be asked on their incoming passenger cards - Are you here to assasinate anyone? That would be funny.
"Either Europe has evolved an incredible amount of snap, or those governments were well aware of the Dubai investigation, who was to be charged, the use of false passports and other details." Indeed! But the more interesting question is, was Israel aware? Given the quality of Israeli leadership responses to date (beyond farcical) it would appear the answer is No. My guess is that Israeli presence on the ground was limited to the sneaky death squad, all of whom were only to eager to exit immediately. Oh well, no biggie, I suggest you all refrain a collective "Why do they hate us?", you'll all feel just fine afterwards.
The very fact that such matters are being globally discussed proves that Israeli Intelligence Services are failing to provide what is needed. Thus are they a pathetic self harming fraud or are in need of a new and much smarter analytical algorithm ...... Source Script Supply to Implement Sublimely, Controlled Beta Media Management of National, International and InterNetional Tales .....Future Realities. And having dismissed as being most unlikely, the pathetic self harming fraud to justify obvious failure and shortcomings, the problem then is easily solved with an Advanced Addictively Attractive IntelAIgent Analytical Algorithm for Media Message and Big Picture Control. Does Israel have a CyberIntelAIgent Force, or are all Beings Grounded and Sequestered into the Service of Ministers and Ministries for Fear in the Power of Controlling Global Operating Devices?
passports of dual-nationality Israelis, obviously did not have good intentions towards us... looks as if preparations for this type of assasination have been in the works for some time... as for the number of participants, the more the merrier, since each one does not know the full picture... meantime we're all having fun with speculations... and it's possible that the Dubai official will have to eat his own worlds
"Either Europe has evolved an incredible amount of snap, or those governments were well aware of the Dubai investigation, who was to be charged, the use of false passports and other details." Indeed! But the more interesting question is, was Israel aware? Given the quality of Israeli leadership responses to date (beyond farcical) it would appear the answer is No. My guess is that Israeli presence on the ground was limited to the sneaky death squad, all of whom were only to eager to exit immediately. Oh well, no biggie, I suggest you all refrain a collective "Why do they hate us?", you'll all feel just fine afterwards.
So some identities/passports were forged, who cares! look at the big picture here, this terrorist murderer was finally disposed of. the bas*%$d was just gloating on TV a few weeks ago, how he murdered 2 Jews when he dressed as a ortho Jew. these individuals should be proud that their forged passports were used at all. Mabhouhs recent occupation was to smuggle missiles to kill even more Jews. do you people even realize how the world is safer w/o him? and to top it all off, you don't even know if it was Israel, but your more than happy to be angry and make accusations as apposed to possible pride and offer of congratulations. You really think that the Jews were the only ones that would have wanted him dead? So let me say it with pride: Mossad, not sure if you performed the act of killing Mabhouh, but if you did.. THANK YOU & BRAVO!
If am I not for myself, who will be for me? There was no toleration before, and there will be never. If you have the power no body can touch you. The only law is the survival of the fittest. What you wish is Israel to be powerless. Capito aby
This is a cheesy piece of skullduggery at best. Israel should stop carrying out these inspector Clouseau tactics if it's so desperate for international legitimisation. These clumsy hits no longer bring kudos to the perpetrators just another confirmation that Israel can't help committing suicide in the game of international diplomacy.
This is not the first time Mossad have ventured across borders with stolen passports to make a hit. Can you imagine the outcry if Hamas started doing the said same on notable IDF/Mossad contacts!? In these modern times Israel need to be firmly told that this is not the way to seek retribution and if they do not listen then sanctions should be applied.
Indeed we in Ghana have some issues with Muslims from the North. Sometimes you must take heavy measures. Good luck to you all. For me this is like a lethal football match between teams I have no stake in.
Just like the Israelis thought Goldstone would be a sudden puff of air that can do them no harm because THEY SAID SO... I read the replies and counterclaims of heroism and defiance on any even remote criticism on political and diplomatic stupidity with great astonishment. Israel, is this your true voice?
congratulations, I think this murder very well. Because reducing the terrorist in the world, the various comments about this murder is not a problem. peter, indonesia
Is Israel in the habit of putting their own citizens at risk by stealing their identities and using their names on fake passports given to Mossad agents? Something really does not jive.
I understand that for the last week there has been a lot of the 'wink, wink, smile' going on in Israe. Folks who assumed that Mossad was behind the whack and were happy to share their joy with each others. i fear the worst.
He was responsible for killing IDF soldiers, supplying arms to Gaza to enable further killing He lived by the gun, he departed this life violently, as was to be expected
This is the way it works Mark: 1/. Terrorist is killed in Dubai.....minor incident, who cares. 2/. Iran gets a nuke........major calamity, NPT goes down the drain leading to proliferation throughout the ME leading to a potential nuke war.... and that's if they're not bombed beforehand. No-one.... and I mean no-one is going to change their policy approach to 2/. on the basis of what happened in 1/. PERSPECTIVE PLEASE.
Interpol is currently searching world-wide for the assassins. Pity they were not so concerned about Mabhouh, a terrorist and murderer. If Israel was behind the killing, remember that Hamas has declared a war of genocide against Israel and the Jewish people. It was Hamas that started the war. And don't give me this crap about Gaza being occupied. Israel pulled out of Gaza, and then Hamas intensified their war.
Israel certainly has a motive in wanting Mabhouh dead. Then again, so does Fatah and al-Qaeda. Even within Hamas, Mabhouh is bound to have a few enemies. Hamas has been known to kill its own. The suspects appear to be a mixture of European and Middle East types. Some may think this implicates Israel, but Fatah, al-Qaeda and Hamas are known to have western supporters willing to do a little dirty work.
"What level of proof required for a diplomatic crisis." - Stephen L. That other governments do not believe the one who they believe fomented the crisis. I first felt this was a false flag operation aimed at Israel. Enough has come out to understand that is is almost certainly the masterwork of an idiot. A Fiasco. A debacle. A self-inflicted and festering wound.
Last December the effort to impose new sanctions upon Iran was on the rails, and seemed unstoppable. Then the Obama regime decided to go through with arms sales to Taiwan and shake hands with the Dali Lama. This put Chinese support for sanctions which would hurt it more than IRan in question. Now the Dubai Fiasco puts British, French and German support at risk. Forget for a moment the lefties who want to see Israel harmed. Consider why Israel wanted to harm itself. For there is no other answer unless you wish to question of the sanity and competence of Israel's government.
"Israel believes Dubai passport row won't cause major crisis" - Haaretz headline I guess Israel never reads the world press. The Dubai fiasco is already a major crisis. "Government officials estimate affair will pass unless new evidence emerges implicating Israel." - Haaretz Did no one at Haaretz notice how seamless the 'outrage' of Dubai and the 'response of Britain, Ireland, France and Germany were? Why was there not the day or two of confusion that would have happened anytime in the past? Why were those other nations not only ready to respond, but to respond about the accusations of false passports? Either Europe has evolved an incredible amount of snap, or those governments were well aware of the Dubai investigation, who was to be charged, the use of false passports and other details. The doo-doo is up right around Bibi's arm pits and the world is dangling him there. One Hamas thug was offed, and incredible harm has been done to Israel. Was it worth it?
And going by past episodes he'd be right. But what if the wind has changed and the world has started to lose patience with the Lose Cannon of the Middle East? Then he might just find that what was *once* once tolerated isn't tolerated any longer. In which case, of course, he'll find that this issue DOESN'T go away, no matter how much he tried to wish it away. And the funny thing is that he'll be totally clueless as to the reason why.
The argument seems to be that while there is no absolute proof of Israel's involvement, there are no grounds for other countries to be upset. I would have thought that if those countries believe Israel was involved then that would be enough to cause the problem, unless really those countries prefer to turn a blind eye to this, and the lack of absolute proof is a convenient excuse. If Israel really didn't do it they frankly could state that(but only if truthfully they did not- to be caught in a lie would make it worse now); and they are not, so these countries will assume they are guilty.
Haaretz lampoon is today a european tabloid.
The Mossad has been accused of identity theft before. New Zealand convicted and jailed two Israelis in 2005 of trying to fraudulently obtain New Zealand passports. New Zealand demanded ? and won ? an apology from Israel.
And stop throwing unsupported insinuations. You are starting to look like a supermarket tabloid- you know the one that claims that we are being invaded by man eating plants
Love it - mention of International Law and Israel in the same breath.
These 3 people who wrote this article must be wanting to be hired to write the jokes for the Tonight Show. Wow! Do they really believe their own nonsense? They've been drinking their own Kool-Aid stuff. Unreal.
The "good guys" try to minimize collateral damage while the "bad guys" try to maximize it!
Before, when no one thought anyone was caught it was good for you mossad, big pats on the back. Political leaders hinting at who may be responsible to take credit for it. Now that they have found out Dubai isn't Syria and has CCTV cameras and databases to keep passports details it is now a big frame up. What a joke you people are. Mossad has in the past done sloppy identity theft and used passports from other countries so this is hardly something new for them. The difference today is that passports are harder for them to acquire and forge.Welcome to the modern era!! So now they are sloppy, get caught and it's all a frame up. LOL Just how is it that easy for some group to infiltrate Israel and other places to steal passports? not bloody likely. After all if it was so easy to steal Israeli citizens passports, then Israel has far bigger security concerns than what happened to a member of hamas.
Maybe you forgot about how Israel responded to the Black September murder of 11 of its athletes at the Olympics. As I remember, not one western country criticized her for going after every one of the terrorists. If Israel is behind this assassination, then why were two PA security men arrested?
Who knew that apparently Irirsh gov./people had beef with Hamas ... of course with a german, a french, and some britons? ... but no one from Israel.
Why is no one outraged with Dubai for harboring a known terrorist? They have some explaining to do. Is it against international law to kill an enemy?s solder during war? Hamas declared war (jihad) on Israel and the West and now they complain when the head of their military wing is killed. That?s ironic! I bet the rest of the Hamas and Hezbollah leadership is hiding in a dark hole about now. I think that the CIA and Mossad have showed a lot of restraint. They should have used forged Iranian passports of the next 11 people on their hit list. That would have sent a real message!
Let us all be happy that one less murdering terrorist is no longer alive to kill Israelis. The man admitted on Arab TV that he killed two Israeli soldiers. Kol Hakovode to whoever killed the SOB.
I cant tell the difference from the "terrorists", and the "good guys" carrying out assasinations. Do they wear different colored hats?
Did anyone notice that this MURDER was committed on foreign soil. It was not Mossad killing a leader in their own country, they went elsewhere to kill. Now if everyone is ready to hand Mossad the Nobel Peace Prize, would you say the same thing if that was Israeli that was assassinated on Chinese soil by Iran? I'm sure the entire world would stop. The reality is this, regardless of the label, this man was killed by a foreigner, using a forged passport. If you believe this is appropriate behavior for any intelligence organization, then you are just as much a terrorist as a terrorist himself. If someone kills a murderer because they are harm to their city, then does that make it acceptable for a killer to be killed? If you still think there is nothing wrong, then I PRAY you do not have kids, because what would happen if they're drunk behind the wheel and found guilty of manslaughter? Would you let someone kill your child because they are a murderer? What's wrong? Can't take it?
Yet again the Israeli state steps outside of its bounds. Ask Mordecai Vinunu what he thinks about Mossad and their illegal activity in other sovereign states? Totally deplorable and Israel should be rebuked and the excessive aid that they receive from the US should be suspended immediately. Long live justice which seems at odds with the current poltical creed of Israel.
She is really Inspector Clousseau. Starts from her own prejudices and never deviates regardless of the evidence, or lack of it. Years ago, Interpol issued Red Notices concerning the terrorist bombing of the Jewish community centre in Argentina which killed 88 innocent people - Jews and non-Jews. Fat lot of good that did.
No conundrum. Mossad did it; typical arrogance
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when a man who OPENLY admits to killing 2 people and still travels the world freely. Why is it that no country arrests him ? Well whoever killed him...let us say they took took the law into their own hands.
Well done. World is a slightly better place now. I which more countries give up of their hipocrital approach to terrorists and target them down. They deserve no less. Long live Israel.
needless to say, I'm a little dubai-ous!
Innocent people who have had their personal information used to carry out murder. Are Israeli officials confident that no knew evidence will emerge to implicate Israel? What arrogance to say, "the affair will subside quickly" when innocent people living in Israel have been effected! BTW, INTERPOL has issued Red Notices to assist in identification of 11 Dubai murder suspects. 18 February 2010 http://www.interpol.int/ UAE and Saudis need to be wary, and not be intoxicated by USrael sweeteners that are handed out to help "affairs pass quickly." Dubai sovereignty has been infringed upon to commit murder, deceive and mock Dubai authorities.
mossad thought theyv got away with it...Bravo to the Police Chief
Dubai Number One Vacation Spot in the Entire World!!!
Problem is the arab States aren't sure who the terrorists are. The ones doing all the killing or the ones lobbing their little rockets. Quite the conundrum.
I too agree with Paul. The end point is that a killer was takeing out.
The Brits shipping arms to the Arabs- oh yeah, that's really what this is about- and disgruntled crims being ripped off so they manage to forge 11 EU passports and send a team of their people to Dubai to wack one Hamas guy- seriously folks ??!!? Coming on the heals of the Goldstone Report, this Mossad action is rather surprising- what's not surprising is how nervous Israel should be- because if an evidence trial is found- guess what- no more US money & the international extradition warrants for the Tel Aviv war criminals will float to the surface again
Let's talk about this when some Israelis with British/Irish/French passports get their heads blown off and ask their survivors if this was a "major or minor row" :)
Even Teflon wears off
Remember this little episode of torture by the dubai 'prince' that didn't even get a slap on the wrist? http://www.uaetorture.com/ Maybe the Dubai police chief should start doing his job in his own country. Perhaps they are trying to deflect from their own corruption.
I hope it was the Mossad, that would mean they still have their balls. good for them
I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. If this self confessed murderer was in jail he would still be alive today. Oh well, one less murderer to worry about.
allowed "dual national" passports to be forged.........notice no American passports were forged. Israel and America have tight controls on their passports.
The world should give a Medal to Mossad for eliminating a Hamas leader in Dubai. Hamas is a killer, terrorist organization, and all peace and freedom loving people of the world must join forces to eliminate this vermin, wherever they are found. Rather than protest this good deed, Dubai should be intimately involved in carrying out this same justice whenever terrorists are found in Dubai.
That would have shown a lot more James Bond humor and panache.
Let's all hope for a major diplomatic crisis with britain. I can't think of bigger Jew haters anywhere (except for maybe the usual suspects) by their government, their media, and their citizenry. They need us more than we need them. As far as I'm concerned, Un great britain can go to hell! And they're so appalled by forged passports, like this is the first time such a thing has ever happened, and like they've never ever done anything remotely similar to this before? Oh my! What an outrage! But one must feel sorry for innocent citizens whose identities were stolen...
Brits are well aware which one of her citizens lives in Israel . Blaming Israel gives an extra reward to HM agents who had killed Mahtub in order to prevent disclosure British armament destined for Saudi Arabia is to be found in Iran.
The Interpol Red Notice message on its website mentions the frame up possibility. This could just be a Fatah rubout or a revenge killing by unpaid arms dealers. Good chance Hamas is no different than its citizens who refuse to pay their electric bill because the EU picks up the tab for their power plant's fuel.