Irish bishops: Israel has turned Gaza Strip into a 'large prison'

Dop yourself a favor, read up on how Arab kids are taught hate in school, that being a martyr is the honorable thing to do. Take a peek at the Koran, the part where Jews are equated with dogs & pigs. It's easy, just google, there's lot to read.

Irish Bishops are members of the very same Catholic Church, that perpetrated the Inquisition, under the directions of the then Pope. As such, they are equally responsible although they may not have manned the racks or lit the burning faggots. Far be it for Bishops to cast stones or aspertions, the Catholic Church's hands aren't very pure of past atrocities. If they had made their statement as private individuals it had been a different matter. However, they proclaimed themselves as "Irish Bishops". They shouldn't have cast the first stone, they're not blameless.

C/J are only singled out as "people of the book", who have come part of the way. What the Koran says is that Abraham, Moses, Jesus, et al, were given the same word as Mohammed, but their people corrupted it. As for better "singling out", I suggest you read about Mohammed's slaughter of the Jews of Medina, a key part of the Koran. It is used as a key justification in the Hadiths for persecution of Jews and Christians. Don't be as ignorant as the typical Brit seems to be these days.

Christian/Jews aren't reviled in the Quran.. They're actually singled out as faiths that should be respected by Muslims.. So stop spouting your utter ignorance.. It really amazes me how single minded, and bigoted people on this planet can be.. The troubles on this island are nearing resolution, and what we've realised and come to terms with as a nation is that violence can't be the solution and only goes to ferment hatred and segregation making matters worse. A lesson the people of Israel (and the United States for that matter)and even the Palestinians have yet to learn..

I never said or claimed that all muslim's are responsible. The preponderance of evidence and fact is that Muslim's are the ones responsible for the terror acts. Whether it was in the U.S., Britain, Spain, Somalia or East Timor. Sure one apple can spoil the entire barrel, but you must first realize that that apple is hiding in the barrel. I suggest you read the Koran, where Jews & Christian's are reviled, being referred to as "monkey's & pigs. If you don't like or trust a neighbor, you avoid him, if necessary build a fence and restrict your borders. You've being trying to resolve the "Troubles" since the days of the Black & Tan, as yet, you can't safely march through the each others streets if your not of the proper persausion, they'll stone you.

Re:Irish Bishops - I remember There are no records of any Irish Bishops that took part in the inquistation. And unless your ancestors were baptized Christians or broke natural law(engaged in sodomy for instance) the inquisition had no authority over them.

Wow, a democratic country is "fascist" while he supports people who declared war to destroy a nation purely because that nation has a religious majority the Pals don't like. The Pals also don't allow fair elections, beat up and kill their own journalists, kill woman they don't like and call it "honor" and enjoy other hallmarks that make than fairly fascist. CpC needs to take a class in English.

I disagree with you. It is racist when you say that an entire nation/race/religion should be held culpable for the actions of a few. (just like how Irish people were badly treated in the UK at the time of the IRA terror bombing campaigns during the Troubles).

In Ireland, they are known as a very left wing group, accused by some bishops(like the one in sligo) of endorsing 'liberation theology'. They do not represent the views of the broader Irish clergy, nor the Irish people. I'd expect this tripe to come from the labour party, not the men of the cloth.

Apartheid isn't the question. That was self imposed by the Palestinian's. There's no comparison between S. Africa & Israel. South African natives didn't go around blowing themselves up on buses or in Pizza parlors. Israel put up the separation "Wall" as a protective measure to keep the loonies away from it's civilian populace. Go back a few years, read some history, possibly you'll learn something. Start with Tel Hai 3/1920, Hebron 1929-1936, 5/15/48 when Palestinian Irregulars attacked in conjunction with 7 arab states, then look at 1956, when Nasser closed the Suez to Israeli shipping, go to 1967, Arab armies formed on the borders ready to attack, Israel struck first, wiping out bothe the Egyptian & Syrian airforces. In 1973, when Israel was at the '67 borders, Arab armies attacked on Yom Kippur the holiest day of the day. Be realistic, Arabs don't want Israel, no time no place.

My of my, all that name calling. You didn't say where you're from, any reason for hiding it?

You Israeli's are a bunch of facist scum! You are persecuting the poor Palestinian people beyond that of any other nation. You need to stop occupying the Palestinian lands and move to somewhere that you are actually wanted and accepted.

after reading the posts sullivan hit the monkeys on the head. :rolls eyes: the truth hurts you zionist sympathisers. the truth of the matter is we live in the here and now, not 1000's of years ago. if you're going to justify your currernt actions on that kind of basis then the earthlings are in trouble. pathetic.

If the "IRISH BISHOPS" had protested personally they wouldn't have incurred the well deserved flack they've received. However, they've used their lofty postions in condemnations of a situation that neither you or they understand. Those spoilt child neighbors are maniacal homicide bombers, kill innocent civilians trying to enjoy a slice of pizza or ride a bus. The Wall serves the purpose of keeping them from harming innocent civilians. While you're so busy blazing away, try some of hot words on the fellow lobbing a daily barrage of rockets into Israel. These are the same fellows that train their five year olds for a short future as Shahid's. Next time, before shooting off your mouth, try putting your brain in gear. Just curious, have all the Irish "Troubles" been settled yet??

Hate to correct you, it's neither "Ignnorant or Racist", it's factual. The same mentality prevails worldwide. Check out the bombings in Britain, Twin Towers, Spanish Railway, slaugher of 200,000 Christian E. Timoran's. To put your self in a self induced state of denial is delusional. It's the same gang of thugs operating world wide.

All the attacks on the Catholic church above just shows how weak a defense there is for Israel's self centred aggression against thier Arab neighbours/citizens/prisoners.. The world can see Israel continually digging itself a massive hole of hatred, which one day will be too deep for them to climb out of.. The way it deals with it's neighbours is like a spoiltchild with a massive chip on it's shoulder.. The "you're anti-semitic because you criticise Israel" defense holds absolutely no ground against modern day Ireland, and it's frequent use in the responses above only goes to support the spoilt child simile above.. It's as plain as day to us in this part of the world that the tactics employed against Palestine don't offer any solutions, unless the underlying goal of the israeli establishment is genocide. Because murdering every Palestinian man, woman & child is the only way this agressive stance can succeed. Just grow up Israel, and join the rest of us adults in the western world!

How many glass were they having?

Sorry. The Hamas violence was clearly on display in those street fights not long ago.. Is the foreign sympathy an approval of the Hamas regime? I want a major overhaul. No violence. Liberal Palestinian regime. No Wahhabi style tyranny. When will the intelligent Palestinians produce honest and progressive leaders? Unfortunately, the first step is to remove all clerics from the politics.

If Isreal doesn't end the military occupation and make a just peace with the Palestinians then the world will apply economic sanctions. It is quite predictable that - in the not too distant future - Isreal will lose its favoured trading status with the EU market. The Isreali economy is very vulnerable to a sustained world boycott of Isreali products. The Irish bishops should be applauded for their statements on Isreali persecution of Palestinians.

Talking about attrocities elsewhere in the world and blaming Muslims for it is not constructive and helpful in the slightest. In fact it is igorant and racist.

Are you talking because you made the trip that you're advising others to make, if so, your comments and suggestions may be appreciated. If not, you're just blowing hot air. If you go and aren't kidnapped, consider yourself fortunate.--------------------------------------------------- -----"Please if you want to be informed you should go on vacation in the TERRITORIES, and appreciate the miseries of" ------------------------------------------

The Wall was built to keep unwelcome killers contained within what they feel is their territory. Incursions are necessitated by hostile acts. As an example, surely you've read about the Kassam rockets being fired INTO Israel on a daily basis. Nobody can expect the receipient (Israel) of intensive and continual hostile fire to remain passive, with their hands tied behind their backs. When Israel pulled out of the area last year, she mistakenly thought that would be an end to enemy activity, is wasnn't. Let's discuss the Muslim mindset. Hamas & Fatah shoot at each other, Iraqi Musslim, Sunni & Shia are banging away at one another. Muslims blew up the Twin Towers, British subway, Spanish trains, killed 200,000 Christian East Timorans, Slaughtered 400,000 Christians or thereabout in Darfour. Don't blame the victim whose defending himself, place blame whre it belongs, on the perpetrator. I'm relatively certain you've never visited the area, just read about it or saw it on TV.

Protecting and defending your country is fine, but when it comes to building walls, continuous incursions into what should be a separate sovereign state ie..(The Palestinian Authority),continuing oppression, that's where your right to defense is null and void, because it is just plain acts of war.

EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT. & what you do not know is that EVERYTHING IS C O N T R O L L E D by the Israelis not by Palestinians.This is another fact that the international communities are all aware, except you and very few others. Please if you want to be informed you should go on vacation in the TERRITORIES, and appreciate the miseries of others. We as good Christians cannot see bad things done to other human beings, and keep our mouths shuts,because we DO HAVE A CONSCIENCE, and we are afraid of the day of JUDGEMENT.

Some interesting anti-Irish posts amoung the responses here. Ireland is not like Iran. The bishops do not speak as heads of the state. They are barely listened to in Ireland these days. I see many posters here writing about the IRA as if they are a legal and well supported organisation in the Irish state. More ignorance on show. It's very convienent to cast judgement on all Irish by judging them by the IRA's standards, and forget that the very tactics which freed Israel from British rule were inspired by the IRA. One of the main Israeli freedom fighters even used the nom de guerre Micheal Collins. Many Irish are people are pro-Palestinian, like myself, but that doesn't mean that we are automatically anti-Israeli. I'm as saddened when I hear of an innocent Israeli girl being blown up on a bus as I am when I hear of an innocent Palestinian boy being blown up by an f-16 rocket. Many in this country wish for a peaceful, two-state solution.

your "Servants of God", just those that have misbehaved, and that takes in quite a few. Read up on their behavior and abuse of the innocents placed in their charge. It's readily available on Google. Surely, you would be knowledgeable, since it's happened in your front yard. Corruption in the Israeli government is exposed, same holds true for most governments.............. "Please stop your insults aganist all our servants of GOD, you cannot condemn all our bishops for the mistake of one or two"

Absolute S... does not make any sence at all. He is just here for the fun of it. He thinks he is doing a great .... Does he really know what kind of illtreatments are being inflicted to the Palestinians.He should come out from his place and have some time at the Humiliating checkpoints, and see for himself these little walls of 2 5 foot HIGH.

the Spanish Inquisition, when the Catholic Church barbecued my ancestors in their attempts of conversion. Many died rather than take a conversion under duress. You too, should keep that in mind. Also, the silence of the Church when Hitler killed our Six Million, during WW2. Your hands aren't clean of blood.

that "ALL" Palestinian's were blowing themselves up. HOWEVER, how is one to separate the wheat from the chaff? Remember the old saying "One rotten apple", etc. We can't chance contaminating the entire barrel because of a few manical bombers. If you've read the media or watched TV in recent months, the homicide bombings aren't nearly as prevalent as they were prior to the Walls construction. You, as a presumably prudent person, don't leave your doors unlocked or keys in the ignition, trusting that someone won't enter your home or steal your car. You take normal prudent precautions and secure your properety to avoid such eventualities. Israel is acting accordingly, protecting it's citizens. It may be a shame that many may suffer for the acts of a few. It's up to the many to convince the few to cease their dangerous ways since it effect all, including the innocent.

NAZI Germany treated the Jews and today we are AGAINST the Israelis for their treatment of the Palestinians, and that is not new. Please stop your insults aganist all our servants of GOD, you cannot condemn all our bishops for the mistake of one or two. If you can look in your cabinet, you will find some skeletons too .So do not give us that BS that UR blameless, you could be even worse.

Surely, you must be aware of the Church's abuse of it's youth, it's been so widely publicized. You've yet another major problem in Ireland, it's your old friend "John Barleycorn". Pray tell, how many times have you visited his establishements in recent months, he's so friendly and readily available. Here's a bit about him................. Irish Pubs and Drink "The Centre can't hold..." William Butler Yeats To say that the Pub is the center of Irish social life is merely stating the obvious. When its good, the craic is only mighty. Craic (pronounced crack) is that wonderful mix of drink, talk, good spirits, and exuberance that suits ceol so well. Ceol? Song. Liberalised pub hours and licenses came into effect in the summer of 2000. Instead of closing times of 11:00 in the winter, these now have risen to 11:30 during the week and 12:30 on the weekends. The formerly ignored law that demanded pubs close between 2 and 4 on a Sunday afternoon has been scrapped. In 2004 smoking was banned in all workplaces throughout the country. Pubs, for those who have serve us convivial patrons, are a workplace. Ergo - no more smoking inside the pubs. This means you have to wade through a haze of smoke as the desperate tobacco users congregate around the pub entrances. Once inside, though, you can enjoy your pint in smokeless comfort. Reportedly, pub prices fell steeply at the beginning of 2005 as smokers and the price conscious stayed home. Off licence sales, that is the sale of alcohol from supermarkets and shops, has risen dramatically. Feeling the pinch, some pubs took the unprecedented step of actually - gasp! - reducing the price of a pint. But, by the end of 2005, pub numbers were back to normal. 80pc of smokers report that they prefer the smokeless pubs - and the rest of us can only gasp with relief. I'm a sucker for statistics and the Competition report produced this great one: In Dublin, there is one pub for every 1119 adults, while in County Leitrim the ratio is one pub per 148 adults. Yet alcohol consumption per capita is roughly the same. The conclusion is inescapable - Leitrim folks are lonely drinkers, while Dubliners schmooze when they booze. County Waterford, where I live, is average at 1 pub per 316 people. I'm not much of a drinker. Hell, two pints and you can roll me out the door. So, I will acknowledge my shortcomings upfront and suggest a few sites below better suited to the discerning clientele. Nonetheless, here's my two cents schpritz: All beers in Ireland are bitter. I mean really bitter! Even when they import American beers and such over here, they change the formula to make it bitter. Budweiser, which is as mild a beer as can be found in its native America, or Coors, which always tasted like sparkling water to me, over here were transmuted into skunk piss.Supposedly the natives won't buy them otherwise. Though, whenever the natives go on vacation, they always comment how much they enjoyed the beer. Along comes the beer they enjoyed so much on vacation and, voila, the manufacturers insist on bittering it up "for the market." It goes to show why I'm not in marketing. Eventually, someone woke up to the fact that there are people like me and the formulas reverted to a more American taste. Heinekin, the Dutch beer, is currently the number one selling Lager in Ireland. It's a half way brew - not as mild as the typical Australian, Japanese and American beers. But, not as bitter as the typical Irish and British brew.

I'm afraid I disagree. Not all Palestinians are blowing themselves up, if they were there would no Palestinians left in Palestine. The suicide bombers represent an absolutely miniscule percentage of the population, that you just can't generalise or stereotype an entire nation by the actions of a few people. I think suicide bombers are crazy, deluded individuals who have been brainwashed by their religion. They are people who need psychiatric help.

usual cavalry ,with the usual insults and canards. The Christians world are watching and taking notes. More and more people are now getting to know about the INTOLERABLE situation that is the DAILY lot for the Palestinians. GAZA Is sure to be nothing but a large PRISON, the World knows it except for some few R W. That there is evidence of SYSTEMATIC ABUSE of Human Rights on a large scale has been reported by many well known agencies, for many years. ICJSA, is one more nail to that coffin. Nobody is surprise that Restrictions at the check points is nothing but a HUMILIATING treatment Process agaisnt the Palestinians. Now us CHRISTIANS,are finding it extremly DIFFICULT to WORSHIPS at Bethlehem Church of Nativity and at the CHURCH of the HOLY SEPULCHRE of East Jerusalem. What a shame that some RW cannot appreciate the truth and reality of what is going on .

Palestinian's are living in a prison of their own creation. Their homicidal acts of blowing themselves up in the midst of innocent women & children are unheard of. Even during your Irish "Troubles", neither side resorted to such vile tactics. Although you may parade through each others areas amidst a hailstorm of stones, I've yet to read that any person from either side detonated themselves, taking innocents with them. The Wall has proven itself, it's greatly reduced penetration my lunatic bombers. Tell me, do your shcools (either side) teach your children that to destroy themselves is the way to heaven? Palestinian's by their very actions have disconnected themselves from Israel, jobs & medical care. Israel, as any soverign entity has the right to control it's own borders. If you'll take notice, their fellow Arab states give lip service to their welfare, however, the don't put their hand in the pocket to extract cash or welcome them as brothers, they're known trouble makers

I would be the first person to agree with the fact that the Catholic church is one of the world's most corrupt. However, the statement made by the clerics is true the Palestinians are in living in a "prison state". Ireland is one of the few countries that has the b*lls to state that there are widespread human right's abuses being perpetrated. I have no doubt that history will reflect positively on Ireland's role in resolving the Israel-Palestine conflict.

Let them practice that "He who is without sin should cast the first stone", or don't they believe in what they preach? John Barleycorn & child abusers are losers.

They had an extended visit with John Barleycorn, he distorted their thinking.

Those bishops are anti-Catholic and anti-Christians. It is not in accordance with Christianity to support terrorists.

It doesn't matter that all the Jewish and Israeli archaeologists have openly stated the claim is ridiculous. It doesn't matter that the producer is James Cameron, a man who made his wealth from filming fiction movies and who is neither Jewish or Israeli. something happens that involves questioning Christianity, it must be Israel that's behind it. Another fool who proves antiZionism is antiSemitism.

What these Irish Bishops have called for is what any decent human being would call for. I spent last week in the West Bank and travelled to Bethlehem,Jerusalem,Ramallah,Jericho,Nablus & Hebron. The only mistreatment we received was from Israeli soldiers. The Palestinians whether Muslim or Christian were most welcoming and on the contrary are not mad or animals. We all can talk 'til we're blue in the face about history.Every country or nation has done wrong in the past. But it is the time to treat Palestinians as people and not as dogs. I would encourage people to travel to see for themselves what it is REALLY like. Make up your own minds and question the attitudes that prevail in the media (both sides). Then make up your own minds.

As an Irishman, I am absolutley appalled by the disgusting anti Irish comments on this message boards implying that we are drunks, terrorists, scum and anti semites. If that is not borderline racism I dont know what is. Yet when the Irish bishops and Irish people raise legitimate concerns about the plight of the Palestinian people (both Muslim and Christian) they are called anti-semites and subjected to this disgusting racist barrage. If anybody is promoting hatred and intolerance around here, its the vocal supporters of Zionist-racist policy that is conducted by the state of Israel. Hypocrites. One poster added why there are few Jews in Ireland, well it has nothing to do with pogroms. Jews have played a very prominent role in Irish life in all fields.

The anti-Catholic comments on this forum are repulsive. If you want a good reason to stop support to Israel, has nothing to do with the Palestinians, how about Israel getting ready to air that blasphemy that Jewish filmmaker Simcha Jacobovicci and James Cameron just did claiming they found Jesus'tomb and that He was married and had a son by Mary Magdalene named Judah! Oh yeah, and they choose to do press conferences about it and release their filth right in the middle of Lent, one of the most holy seasons to millions of Christians. Who gives a damn what happens to them!!

Jewish philanthropists bought and turned over to the Pals, for free, Israeli greenhouses. The Pals destroyed them. No violence and the borders stay open. They've chosen not to reject violence and the borders often close for security reasons. They shoot at each other as if they're prison gangs, rather than guarding the lives of their own people as if they're a government. They have created their own prisons. Leave it to Priests to ignore that.

What did they do with their state? Nothing. Just kill each other and launch missiles into Israel. So what exactly do you think is coming that is already not there? An Iranian base. Another Taliban. I don't think so. They have their State right now and if they want to be recognized, they must civilize and stop threatening their neighbor, Israel.

A lot more Catholics and Catholic clergy wouldn't agree with the nonsense of Irish bishops than agree. Gaza has not been under the occupation for a few years now. The fact that Palestinians are prone to violence and aren't able to live orderly with their clan-based culture is simply too obvious to overlook.

exploitation of illegal immigrants here in New York and elsewhere in the US is no different than expoitation in Dubai, Egypt or in Israel. Yaakov, with your giant grudge against Israel and Jews, you should chill already.

Apologies to Paul Harris - I was responding to post #158. Sometimes a keystroke can make all the difference, huh?

Bishop Field should first worry about the treatment of Christians living under PA control. Gaza could have been a showcase of how well the Arabs could run their own country. Compare the way that Arabs have governed themselves since 1948 with the way that the Jews controlled their part of the Mandate and set up the State of Israel. Arab contributions could have added to all the money poured into Arab areas to show how well they can run things. Christian populations have plummeted under Arab Moslem rule. Why Bishop Fields? Free your co-religionists from the Moslem prisons they are in.

If you want to criticize Israel based on TRUE facts that have nothing to do with Israel's identity as a Jewish state, that's not antisemitism. If you want to criticize by starting your statements with "don't Jews ever...", now THAT'S antisemitism. No country is perfect, especially our own USA, nor Israel, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, etc. But Israel is far more civilized and advanced than any of her neighbors. Gaza is no "prison" - it's territory controlled by the PA, whatever the hell that is. Israel pulled out months ago. Whatever the Pals have is of their own making. It's better to improve one's own lot than to try and tear down someone else's.

Cut those bishops a break even though priests have been accused of despicable things, however, they do have the right to comment on the zionists madness, don't you think? Everybody is commenting on it; the whole world is antisemitic for doing so, but nonetheless the 'assault' continues. Try to get to peace while you can cause US is meeting Iran in spite of US recalcitrance to do so. Circumstances will cause a monkey to eat red pepper, eh?

Well, kind sir, you are not allowed to talk to or about me until you at least see me on the posts. I was posting on the Farrakhan line and then began reading some posts and saw you had me on the blog in living color with not 1 blog from me. You think Ballistic in your sleep, yessiree, hey US is meeting with Iran and Syria. Keep looking out your window for that new Pal state coming soon to your area. Have your coffee!!!

of accusing folks of being antisemitic? Now the Irish are pointing out bad zionist behavior. The response, you are antisemitic and you did this or that. Very intelligent answer. Well, seems like the snow ball is rolling. Despite whatever US said, I hear today they are finally gonna meet with Iran and Syria. As I have said many times to the naysayers, sometimes circumstances will make a monkey eat red pepper. Hello to the new Pal state!!! Yesiree, it is coming and soon. Hear that Paul Harris?

Actually, a little fact checking would have revealed the following... Israel withdrew from Gaza. There is a border crossing at Rafah not under Israeli control. Shortly after the withdrawal the Palestinians ripped up all the hothouses and agricultural infrastructure they bought with World Bank money. Since then, instead of taking advantage of the closest thing to independence they have ever had, they have lobbed rockets at Israel on a nearly daily basis. That is, when they are not busy shooting themselves. In the meantime, their brethren in the West Bank send suicide bombers etc. on a daily basis into Israel. Obviously Jewish lives mean nothing to the Irish bishops, but what about the numerous stories about Christians being forced out in by Moslems in Bethlehem and elsewhere. They would be better off tending to the altar boys in Dublin, and minding their own business.

THE IRISH HAVE BEEN AT IT SINCE 1915

1- Buy Jimmy Carter's book and read the truth. 2- Write to your political leaders, tell them you don't want your country to finance/ sponsor such discusting behavior or else they don't get your vote.

he laid HIS LIFE FOR US.don't blame the jews. IT WAS GOD'S PLAN.so that we will have eternal life with HIM.But it's up to you---whether you'll accept HIS OFFER-THE GIFT OF SALVATION-- .....HE HAS GIVEN US A "CHECK" ALREADY,but you have to endorse it yourself.

What the hell did you just say????!?!?!?!

The Irish Bishops were conservative Rabbis. So the Big Spirit set them to do life over. They still haven't got a clue.

Have this so called bishops ever make a statement on Darfur, on the Genocide in Serbia or the open call for the destruction of Israel by the "enlightened" president of Iran. Do they ever question the open call by the "poor" palestinians who call to have all Jews in Israel dumped in the Mediteranean sea or on the relentless war of attrition waged on Israel and the Jewish people by its Arab neighbors with the sole purpose of obliterating it. But then, these same bishops are the pupils of the other bishops of Europe, that watched in silence as six million Jews were marched to the gas chambers.

A very apt nickname for these "holy" men. I remember seeing nativist cartoons from the 1800s showing Irish bishops coming to America. If you can visualize it, they were sort of doing the dead man's float with those ridiculous miters (mitres?). The cartoonist made them look like a swarm of alligators. Some things never change. Irish bishops = drunken anti-Semites. And by the way, they need to stop abusing boys. Catholic church is the most despicable organization ever.

The bishops should tend their own flock. The church in Ireland is losing its own raison d'etre. The church has been racked by scandals andthe muslim community has already demanded recognition as a state religion. The bishops conveniently forget that Gaza has been under PA control since Oslo and Israel w/drew 18 months ago. Israel already gavwe up border controland we have seen arms money and terrorists enter Gaza. We have seen what a PA government looks like because that is what existed in Judah and Samaria. The bishops are giving into terror. They think if they appease the terrorists they will be spared. The PA has already stated that they will reclaim all Islamic lands, including, Spain,Albania, bulgaria etc. At best the bishops are misguided.

the pope didn't excommunicate him, because he was a "good" catholic.

don't say that. I love Father Ted. I have all the tapes. There are no words to describe sullivan. You can google him and read about his life. Very conflicted.

The Irish were, are, and will always be a nation of red-nosed alcoholic Jew-haters. When I was growing up, the Irish kids in NY were always the worst - the most anti-Semitic. It's in their blood -- I mean booze -- plentiful at that. They can go to hell with their stinking catlick church and its idiotic beliefs. Catholics are cannibals who "eat" body and blood of el shithead.

They really must give priority to assisting their American fellow clergy to reform the sexual problems prevailing in the american church. Then, they can go home and clean their own abusive home. Surely, you've noticed that the Church has been forced to pay millions of dollars to the youth they abused, and whose lives they destroyed with their perversions.

In England there are about 260,000 Jews, in FRance 500,000, in Belgium 40,000, in Italy 40,000, in Spain in Germany 100,000, in SPain 12,000 and in Ireland - about 1200. Jews came to Western countries in large part fleeing persecution from Russia or the Nazis. But interestingly few are in Ireland. Because they were never so welcome in CATHOLIC Ireland. No wonder how the best friends of the ISlamic Terrorist massacerers of Jews are from Ireland, who see no reason to keep Palestinian terrorists from murdering Jewish men, women and children.

First, they should clean their own house, it needs attention.------------------------------ A MIXTURE OF CARING AND CORRUPTION Church Orphanages and Industrial Schools Barry M. Coldrey The traditional orphanage was a sparse establishment; clear now, not always so obvious in the interwar period or after World War II when the standard of living for ?ordinary? people was lower [1]. What is plain ? with the advantage of hindsight which allows 20-20 vision ? is the tough regimen in these institutions, and that at a certain stage the sparse atmosphere led to a specific culture of abuse [2]. At a certain stage, the severe and persistent physical abuse led inexorably to the sexual abuse of some residents. In the United States, Alexander Starchild, whose first academic offerings were completed while he was in prison, has written of the sexual abuse of British youth in correctional institutions [3]: The whole juvenile gaol culture in England encourages sexual play as there is a strong policy of enforced nudity and corporal punishment... Caning is carried out in front of other boys - a boy is made to drop his pants and bend over. This can quickly take on sexual connotations. The institutional world that Starchild evokes is not that of the 1980s, when he was writing, but that of some twenty or more years previously. However, there are valid reasons for thinking that the British practice of disciplining adolescents in care - especially older adolescents - by caning them on the bare buttocks stimulated the sexual abuse of inmates by some staff, though this was not its intention. Caning trespassed on one of the body?s more private and erogenous zones where a high concentration of nerve endings led directly to sexual nerve centres. The buttocks remained a major locus of sexual signals - e.g. caressing a child?s buttocks is a sexual offence; slapping an adult?s buttocks is a sexual action. Hence, it can be argued that caning in the congregate care institutions encouraged sexual abusers and provided a cover for their activities [4]. Extremes of physical abuse led ultimately - and inexorably - to the sexual abuse of children [5].The permanent atmosphere of severity had sexual overtones. There was a thin line between extreme severity and sexual abuse in traditional care, never crossed by many of the staff, but easily crossed by some. Peter Tyrrell, a former resident of St. Joseph?s, Letterfrack, Co Galway maintained that savage punishment, nudity and sodomy were linked. He wrote that ?we were sometimes stripped and beaten while naked for long periods...I was sodomised by one of the Brothers? [6]. Touher in his memories of Artane Boys Home, is aware of the narrow boundary between beating the inmates on their naked buttocks and abusing them sexually. He recalled that few staff crossed the boundary, in his personal experience, but one did. At one point, Touher described ?normal punishment? in the following reference: ?I stared in horror as I saw a man flogging a boy across the bare buttocks with a long leather strap. I lost count of the strokes... his cries echoed off the refectory walls.? Neither Touher nor other Artane boys considered this sexually abusive. That was something else. There was a difference and he recalled how one of the staff crossed the line between harshness and sexual abuse during

you made a complete definition of zionism.It is a true human monstruosity;this social aberration brought a lot of consequences yet to Jews including to whom don`t commungate to that horror.One of them besides pogroms and Hitlerism was the exiguity of Jewish territory.Just compare the size of territories of Latin Europe and Latin America and the diffusion of languages as Spanish,Portuguese and French;not to mention the Anglo-saxon World and in Asia the Russians!And Israel...by Jupiter,only about 20.ooo sqKm!Even here only mediocrity.

wake up guys ! israel gave back lebanon 100% and yet they have to fight Hezbollah-- Gaza given back 100% and yet over 1200 missles fired into Israel with ne recognition of past agreements or to stop the war... With their existence at stake and missles pouring they have evry right to do what they need to to exist.. Ireland 's history not much better.talk to the Arabs not the Jews whp u hate anyway.

No,Curious,that of yours is not the question;don`t try tergiversations.

As Yaakov wrote, the usual vitriolic response to any criticism of Israeli policies were inevitable. No question there are pedophiles in the Catholic church, as there are pedophiles among rabbis and other religious figures. At least Catholic priests don't use archaic rituals to maim and sometimes kill innocent little children.

What kind of a mental midget would call himself Absolute Vodka, from Auschwitz. It is not often that you find someone this stupid in this type of discusion. But i suppose there is a first for everything. You are a Black belt idiot. get a life imbecile

...and the indiscriminate killing of women and children is not subhuman treatment?

Typical you twist criticism of Israeli state policy into 'lambasting Jews'. The oldest ploy in the book. It seems to be unconsciously automatic for pro-Israeli Jews to do this everytime. Can you not see that it is perfectly in order to comment on the policies of a Government without that being taken as criticism of members of a particular religion?

"We are calling for an end to restrictions on family reunification, and an end to humiliating treatment of people at checkpoints," Field said in an ICJSA statement ahead of a meeting with Irish Foreign Minister Dermot Ahern". Thanks to the Irish Catholic Bishops , Dutch

funny how 5m jews in israel (12mill wwide) seen as goliath whilst 300mill arabs (1.3bill muslims) seen as david. seems to me that these "progressives" are mentally deficient ...plus they've forgotten they are infidels. how it goes for the jews it will go for the christians.

If they are REALLY concerned about Christians, as opposed to making political comments, then they should CONDEMN the Muslim Palestinians for targeting and attacking Christians in the 'Palestinian' territories. All these attacks are documented and reported by various Christian Organisations- but no, it is convenient to wail about the security fence. As for the 'indigenous people' comment: are they impying that no Jews are indigenous to Israel or that area? Shame on them!

absolute sweeeeden, you have your head where the sun don't shine, and you love it there.

the world including irish bishops are totally silent to the real suffering that is going on throughout the world. a whole continent africa gets less attention than the pals .. a sick world. criticism of israel is part of this sickness. it is so disproportionate that it is beyond words. consider the UN GAssembly debating the wall whilst thousands are burning in Darfur. how many millions dead per year in congo. you sullivan are part of this sickness.

Barabas was not a murderer, he was a nationalist fighting the roman legions (not the civilians. From the new testament, the local jews chose a freedom fighter over a loony, for grace. Still they did not kill jesus, the romans did.

The fact is that people blamed the jews because the actual new testament does so...to say otherwise is to deny the truth... your problem is with the new testament...

RE:I am still not sold on the Catholic Church and their views toward the Jews. Me neither, though I recognize some progress.

I think the word prison is not accurate and definately inflammatory. Maybe they could get "PAROLE" if they were on good behavior.

How comes then that it was never so before when the Jews were the "weak and the oppessed". Irish people have never stood for Jews no matter what. Something smels rotten. Please stop the self proclaimed adjective of "progressive". These people are not progressive they are simply religiously biased people, either catholics or leftists.

oh ghandi... There was no security fence until it was required by Arab terrorists blowing up civilians, naming streets, sports stadiums and little league teams after them... There were no bypass roads until Arab snipers shooting at all cars with Israeli plates required them. There were no barricades or checkpoints until after Arab terrorism. Getting through checkpoints faster for medical problems was faster, UNTIL terrorists began pretending to have medical problems and then blowing up the soldiers coming to wave them through...ambulances had free passage until they were caught shuttling explosives, weapons, and terrorists through checkpoints.

"It is time for organized christianity (excluding the goofy evangalicals) to join with Islam and to speak up forcefully against these atrocities... Question: Does this also include the Hamas/Fatah atrocities against their own as well as Israel? Another question: Are those "goofy evangalicals" those guys that support Israel?

Suggest you research just how glorious Gaza was under Egyptian domination before commenting on Israeli occupation.

Isn't it amazing that each European or North American group that visits Gaza or the West Bank finds Israel's treatment of the Palestinians to be deplorable. However, take heart pro-Zionists, they are all obviously anti-semites so their views can be ignored.

You've only to Google "Conditions in Irish Orphanages to read of the brutality & sexual abuse by these very same "Holy Men". Hypocrisy to the nth degree. They're not men of G-d, but depraved beasts from Hell, abusing helpless wards put in their charge. ---------------------------------------------- A MIXTURE OF CARING AND CORRUPTION Church Orphanages and Industrial Schools By Barry M. Coldrey The traditional orphanage was a sparse establishment; clear now, not always so obvious in the interwar period or after World War II when the standard of living for ?ordinary? people was lower [1]. What is plain ? with the advantage of hindsight which allows 20-20 vision ? is the tough regimen in these institutions, and that at a certain stage the sparse atmosphere led to a specific culture of abuse [2].

Sa i don't care what you or your church teachings say. The Jews did not kill Jesus. You are very misguided.

Really should pay attention to the brutal conditions that female orphans undergo while under the supervision and care of the nuns controlling the orphanages. The brutality is legendary and sadism is horrible.

Sullivan or what ever your real name is. WHAT OCCUPATION ? What country is Israel occuping ? What is it borders ? What is it's flag ? Who are it;s leaders ? There never has been a country Palestine ? Where do you and your hatred come from.

Pontius pilot the Roman governer had the power to prevent the death , but agreed to it and instructed his soldiers to carry out the crucifiction , therefore Rome is complicit in his death .

Absolutely. These "bishops" are simply paying the Palestinians back for the training of the IRA. Not surprising.

Its interesting here that most Irish nationalists and those with progressive views support Palestine. This is because they tend to side with weak and oppressed as this is in keeping with their self image.

Move ALL Israeli Jews into Gaza. Move all living now in Gaza to the West Bank.

The bishops do not know the history of Israel. During1920-1930 there were more jews in present day Israel than there were arabs. The Jewish people made Israelwhat it is today. The Arabs soon flooded thearea and claimed it theirs. Gaza is their problem and they need to clean it up

All Jews should leave all of latin America, quebec, (the US is becoming very catholic), all of europe proper, and ofcourse the muslim world as well. The jews will always eye the aryans with suspect looks... :) you crack me up!

If the Pals could learn to live like human beings, then maybe they could create something beautiful in their prime Med fronting territory. I am sick and tired of any sympathetic group always pointing the finger at Israel. How many other peoples fare far worse than the Pal's, and get no play in the media. I have an idea. Instead of the Irish clergy lambasting the Jews, why not convert? Come to us! Become a jew and light the way.

world..whose calendar is based on Jesus' birth! 2007...

The Jewish priesthood conspired -according to the Christian bible (Catholic and Protestant)- to kill jesus, and Pontis Pilate offered to free Jesus, they could really care less, but the jews yelled that they would rather free a murder than him, and they did, and while they were yelling this, they said let his blood be on our people (for saying he was the messiah) and pontis pilate washed his hands after that and said that he would not have his blood on his hands. Read the book bob..read it.

There is no doubt that Gaza and the west bank later are nothing less than concentration camps to house the Palestinians untill a "final solution" can be worked out. Probably exile to Egypt and Jordan . The west bank will probably require 2 concentration camps each housing over a million. It is time for organized christianity (excluding the goofy evangalicals) to join with Islam and to speak up forcefully against these atrocities perpetrated by ISRAEL/US. In the meantime the Palestinians will be humiliated, starved and denied minimum medical care.

So any time you speak about treatment of Palestinians it comes from your personal experience right? Second, I never said Irish in my post I said Catholic and the crimes of catholic priests are documented in numerous court cases all over US and Canada and not my fantasies. Third, I was commenting on your post # 31 so that was the topic at hand and question at hand as far as I am concerned. Fourth, it is relevant to the main topic as well since I personally agree with "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone".You left out the checkpoint issues that I raised.

So any time you speak about treatment of Palestinians it comes from your personal experience right? Second, I never said Irish in my post I said Catholic and the crimes of catholic priests are documented in numerous court cases all over US and Canada and not my fantasies. Third, I was commenting on your post # 31 so that was the topic at hand and question at hand as far as I am concerned. Fourth, it is relevant to the main topic as well since I personally agree with "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone". BTW you did not address issues about the check points that I raised.

Leave us...you won`t miss us and we sure as hell will not miss you...

More threats from the Catholic... OOOOOhhh - we're so scared of you! We survived Torquemada, Hitler and the rest. You Catholics have enough troubles of your own to deal with, including a huge shortage of priests and a diminishing membership in the Church. Don't you think you should blame yourselves for these problems instead of going after the Jews?

The bishops must be takin' a wee bit too much o' the dew, in addition to their communion wine. This kind of thinking will backfire faster than they can say "bagpipes". Haven't you got enough trouble on your own little island to deal with before muckraking in a desert?

Yes, indeed, there is a definite problem there. I dont know if it is in print anymore but I suggest a book by the former priest, a Jewish convert, Gregory Baum, entitled The Gospels and the Jews, though since Vatican II it may have been retitled. But he delas with the problematic passages, especially in John.

P.S. Sa The New Testament is not THE bible.

just luv ya familiarity with jewish religious lingo. serves ye well when trashing the jews, eh? and your regard for self-importance absolutely amazes me.

Here we go again ....... The Jews killed Christ ...... better yet its in the Bible. Really. Another good Catholic heard from. Here learn something Sa. It was the Romans who sentenced Christ to death and was the ROMANS who executed him and the method of execution was ROMAN not Jewish. Remember someone called Pontious Pilate ? ? ? This is the person who signed the execution order and had it carried out by roman soldiers in the manner of Roman executions. You must have gotten a A in your Catholic teachings of medieval blame and hatred.read a book, and please make it something other fiction or a comic book.

As we approach Purim are you of the opinion that all Catholics are Amalekites and therefore we Jews are under commandment to kill them all and burn down their places of worsjhip. Spare none but annihilate their face of Edom from off the planet. A judeoCrusade. Pay back time for blood revenge under divine command. Will you lead us on the slaughter of the sons of Edom, these Amalekites?

is brreathtaking in its scope and vitrol. You would have had a very successful career writing for Dur Sturmer.

You want recognition, why don't you end the occupation.I don't understand after 40 years of pain,suffering and humilation, this brutal occupation is allow to continue. Israelis claim, they want recognition, that's crap, that's and excuse to steal more land and prolong your occupation.Why would any sensible human being recognize an occupier,slavemaster or an aparthied regime who constantly humiliate you.Why would you recognize someone who holds you against you will. I hope these Priests can have some major affect on this occupation.I hope they can expose the hardships and the collective punishment ordinary Palestinians hav eto endure.Also thanks to Peace Now. You want recognition,start by leaving Palestinians lands.

Since there is a long history of support for Palestinians in Ireland, I suggest that Ireland would finance x-ray and iris-scanners to the checkpoints, which would hasten the check-ups and help Israeli soldiers to pertinently do their job.

Well said Brian. There is nothing worse than a tosser that abandons his own people.

Sorry. However. I am still not sold on the Catholic Church and their views toward the Jews. Is Pope Pious 12 still going to be canonized ??

Bishop has no point. It is like addressing points raised by the Bishop about global warming after he traveled to see Ford or General Motors production lines. His knowledge (if he had any) of either combustion engine or chemistry or anything else related to the matter did not improve at all. But the again lack of knowledge was never a good enough reason for not making any statements. To your knowledge the ruling of ICJ at the Hague is not binding.

the catholics are the die hard anti-semites. descendants of rome and her empire they are Edom incarnate. The sons of Esau are always going to eye the sons of Jacob, better not to live amongst them anywhere in the world. Secular progressives are less likely to commit pogroms, catholics are violent and capable of religious persecution. jews of south america should make plans to relocate at a moments notice, the doors are still open in Israel, if no one else takes you in, you will always find Israel as your refuge.

Sean you must tell. What turned you from a patriotic teen in Meath to the zenith of enlightenment you have now achieved. Must have been a bad pint of Guinness . How sorely Ireland must miss you what with your knowledge of Joyce and Gogarty no less.

Who better then you Colin would know about Nazis and their signs .............. even the ones that are real not from your yours only hate filled mind

Damnation to the Irish bigots! Oh how righteous they are, Jew-killers, pro-Nazis, approvers of terror affiliated to a belief that has systematically practiced forced conversion and sexual abuse! Little cowards who send their pedophiles from Europe when they are caught out to poor continents like South America and Africa to carry on with their abominations!

You seem to know so much about the Irish priests and boys. What percentage of Irish priests were found guilty of child molestation? In any case we are taliking about the sttement fromt he Irish bishops on the inhuman conditions created by Israel in its occupation? Do you care to respond to the topic at hand? or you too far off into your fantasies to deal with the question at hand?

I have now idea how Argentinean Jews feel about Catholic Church but your comment suggesting ?rumble? is no surprise. You do not rumble when insulted by Muslims. It is too dangerous. There was a description of how Ukrainians who were fighting Poles at the time and got their asses kicked came to Jewish village and drowned Jews in the near by river. It was sort of a therapy. They felt men again after that until the met with Poles again.

Come on lads. The Irish people stopped listening to the Irish Bishops about 15 years ago. There is no need to get so hot and bothered. They would be delighted to see their comments were getting a reaction, Any reaction

When the late Pope spoke ex cathedra and issued his forgiveness of the Jews for crucifying Christ, his message was not for Jews, nor for Protestants, nor for Muslims. It was for Catholic nimcompoops who needed guidance. Catholics no longer have an excuse for hating or otherwise persecuting Jews. So grow up, Catholic, get with it, and start paying attention to your late Holy Father. And BTW, forget about rumbling with the Jews in Argentina. That is now a sin against the Church as it has always been a sin against God and humanity.

Not at all! Israelis are saking the palestinians to stop the brutal killings. If palestinians suffer, they should blame their own leaderships or their arab brethen. Please see how palestinians are treated in lebanon or Syria. See how they are being slaughtered in Irak by the puppets of Iran (who claims to defend them).

was not started by the church per se, it is based on the Bible...anyone who says otherwise has not read the new testament!

I believe that you misread my posts. I never said that the catholic church has ever been good with jews, to the contrary. About recognizing Israel, this has changed with Jean Paul II, and now Vatican and Isael have diplomatic relationship.

Pogue Mahone is about the best one can say here Sean.

Very very interesting Bill .Talk about not abiding with international laws. The Arab nations are sooooooooooooo good at abiding by the un and international laws. You make me laugh ...... you shouldn't let your prejudious get in the way of reason

The responses, that is. If Israel were a person, one would recommend that she seek help -- but of course she'd reject the suggestion, and be rude about it into the bargain. The irony is that those Israel perceives as her 'friends' -- the Jewish couch warriors in North America, the Evangelicals in the US, the racists in Europe who see in Israel a flail for beating the hated Arab -- these are the ones who are urging Israel on to what will be her own destruction. I'm reminded of a road sign that the Nazis posted near some town when they came to power. 'Dangerous curve ahead. Jews: one hundred kilometers per hour!' You might want to ask whether those inviting you to do this are really your friends.

Are they not establishing boys? schools in places like Darfur? Anyway that is what Catholics are good at. They preach moderation and to poor to live in luxury and abstinence to teens whom they sexually abuse. It is common knowledge that catholic priest love orphans and they do not discriminate based on race when it comes to sexual abuse. By the way why do not they protest humiliation at the checkpoint at Heathrow Airport? Check points there and at WB are set for the same reason and both are collective punishment for the deeds of terrorists. But maybe they enjoy the body search?

Love us or you shall suffer?

The Catholic Church is about as anti semetic as you can get. The church does not recognize Israel, because they want to control the land Israel, this is why they don't and never will recognize israel.Besides who started the Jews killed Christ thing ? Also rememberPope Pious 12 the Nazis Pope. The Catholics have been good to the Jews. Swamp land anyone !

Religious figures don't understand politics??? Ben, You amaze me! What do you think the difference is between a lowly priest and a bishop? The priest is a beginner at politics, the bishop an accomplished artiste. But, of course, if you are a layman you are not supposed to know that. Without the guidance of priests, bishops, rabbis, and ayatollahs this conflict would go in 15,261 different directions instead of only 150. Talk about chaos!

One thing in common with those who defend Israel's criminal policies towards the Palestinians is that when they can't attack the message they go after the messenger(s) personally. They seldom if ever address the points of those who criticize Israel's violations of international law not to mention binding UNSC resolutions and the ICJ rulings at the Hague. What do they do here but go after the Irish Bishops personally instead of addressing the points that the Bishops raised. After all when you can't dispute the message than go after the messenger. Israel's right wing is very good at this.

Your post is an epitomy of why jews do not trust the catholic church. What you say is what we have heard for 2000 years: Love us or you shall suffer.

The catholic church has never fed jews, so there is no hand to bite. Jews born in catholic countries have learned to be very suspicious of it. And historically they have very good reasons.

you don't alter your faith on a political position- whether you agree with it or not- that a church takes. Does your judaism get altered with the yearly politics of Israel?

and redeem the one-sided bishops.

Sorry that you don't understand english. But of course pakistani has become the official language of the UK.

The bishops are concerned about the checkpoints, which restrict the Christians from worshiping in those places but do not mind about the pal Christians having to flee Gaza so to save their lives,in danger because of the terrorists ruling the pals.

anglican church? What are you talking about? The Protestants have been more critical to Israel's policies than the Catholics! Israel is a pain in the ass, they should jsut all fight it out,...nuke the wholse area....nukes for Iran and Israel...have it boys! PEACE ON EARTH

The bishops should blame the pal terrorists for those restrictions. If Christians cannot worship in those places, it is ?thanks? to their terrorist friends.

I was born and bred in Meath and these hatemongers make me ashamed to be Irish. Sinn Fein have turned into a sub-Respect party and it astonishes me that they have the gall to organise all the yank-bashing "stop the west" rallies in Eire after all the close support America gave them over the years. Maybe if Israel armed the IRA instead of Hezbollah and the PLO it might have been all so different. The wretched Catholic church in Ireland has been nothing but trouble and now there is more protestant Church of Ireland priests being ordained in the south they feel they have to shift over and get the ultra-left Godless vote to still feel some kind of power. As a patriotic teen I never could understand how James Joyce could write such fantasticly Irish novels and be so scathing of Ireland with his ripping of the church and po-faced anti-semite nationalists like Gogarty. It all makes perfect sense now. As does his choice to live outside of Ireland for the rest of his (short) life.

What is it you don't understand? That Paddys cruelly exploit their co-religionists ,foreign workers from Poland or Romania? Deny it,cross your heart,swear "on your mother's grave" ,the way Catholics and arabs do when lying.

History repeating itself thanks to the Germans the defander of the JEWs. No wonder they send them to the Middle east.

and is not disgusted by the situation there or in Bethelehem is not a man of conscious. The Bishops should condemn all acts of terrorism, including state terrorism and that is what is happening in the territories. And how are Christians treated in Israel? They TOLERATE them...is that how jews want to be dealth with in Christian lands today?

Your Catholic clergy sided with the dictatorship (remember the Junta) which fucked up your country. Are you too young to remember, or were you always that ignorant?

Everyone knows that Israel left Gaza but Gaza chased after Israel. The Arabs made their bed and now let them lie in it. Let those Catholics complain instead about how Catholics under Moslem rule suffer- and they really do. Let them complain about how Bethlehem is now a Moslem town (I was there 2 years ago and was horrified). Let them complain about the Moslem encroachment in Nazareth and everywhere else.

Protestants hate Jews more than Muslims! There are far more Catholics than protestants..what is a protestant? An anti-something (catholic) the whole basis of that faith is on oppossing something, how stupid is that? The king of England all he wanted to do is get remarried and a religion was born. No, Protestants will not fight anyone over jews...that is a fact, WW2, had nothing to do with the jews being slaughtered when the English and Americans got involved, nothing at all, if that was the only reason, the american people would never have gone in. By the way, Martin Luther, another protestant despot, was extremely hateful towards jews, read his writings, literally HATED THEM! And Shakespear? Immortalized them...and not in a good way. The Jews should be treated as a minority as a palestinian is treated as a minority, no big deal.

How come you pals chased these "generous,humane Swedes" from Hebron during the "Cartoon Riots"? Poor brain-washed Lefties had converged to there in order to "protect " you pals from being "terribly opressed by Israelis" and ended up fleeing in terror to seek protection from the "bloodthirsthy Israelis" . You'll still find some morons here blindly supporting the "pal cause",but many see the things the way they really are,"christa" from Beirut.

Thanks to the Irish Bishops for speaking out about the cruel conditions the Israeli army are forcing the Palestinian people into daily at the barrel of a gun. It's criminal & they will be held accountable. Where in is their good conscience? Perhaps I should ask -- Do they have any? This cruel system has little to do with the pro- tection of Israelis but every thing to do with the systematic oppression of the Palestinian people at the cost of maintaining illegal settle- ments and settlers. Dutch Shame on them for not speaking up. Dutch

A good question . The origins of Absolute are a mystery. His spelling and unintelligeble posts certainly are not what one would expect from a Swede. Probably a member of the currentIsraeli cabinet. Vice minister of tourism.

It is not criticising Catholics but you have to admit that among bishops there are also black sheep. It does not matter if they are bishops or not. Supporting terrorism deserves criticism. After all, not only do those bishops criticise Israel for the roadblocks and checkpoints, but they support jihad against our elder brothers, the Jews, as well. Useful idiots. In the meantime, the pal jihadists are giving the pal Christians hard times. Why do not those bishops criticise it?

The Palestinians have only themselves to blame for their living conditions in Gaza. If they stopped the terrorism and the hatred then Gaza could have international aid and investment. But that would mean Hamas and the other terror gangs in Gaza would have to stop killing people...and we can't have that now can we? It would spoil the Arabs'fun!

We don't need priests and bishops and rabbis and ayatollah's to guide this conflict. they're the ones who enflame it more than anyone else.

start a war us protestants will kick your catholic butts after your done with the tiny jews - oh golly no jews in argentina - what a blessing that would be - backward country - be praises that I didn't leave with some nasty disease from the poeple

The only thinh that has changed in the last 30 or so years is that the worls sees the arabs an muslims as terrorists. That Israel is an apartheid state or jews control money, or that Zionism is racism is old hat. So no, the world is not all of a sudden waking up to these false lies-they have always sais and it amounted to nothing. What is truly recent is how many in the world (particulalry UK and Amsterdam) noe realize what a problem jihad is. It is you that needs to wake up.

And shouldn't terrorists be in prison????

Hey Brant are you really posting from Hilton Head. I thought they were picky on who they let in there. Anyway have a tour around the ghettos of gaza and the west bank and come back to us with your observations. The new tourism minister Madame Tartmann BSc, MSc, Phd will help you out with your travel plans.

I know you keep wishing this apartheid thing will stick, but it dosen't because everyone who is not stupid, an anti-semite, or intelectually lazy knows Israel is not an apartheid state. Try as you might, and declaring every day that the "time is soon" (even after many years of hoping and wishing for it), the world does NOT recognize Israel as an aprtheid state. There is no boycott in the works or even on the table. Only a few dredges here and there, much like yourselves, repeat it on internet forums.

sorry we do care about others why don't you come down to PA and see how many other institutions (religious or not) that have "save darfur" hanging from their buidlings - the only institution that has one in my town is the local Jewish community center - I don't see them on any christian or muslim houses of worship -so sorry your theory on we don't care about others is false and wrong - I be more than glad to send you some pictures taken by the local newspaper as they did a story about it - oh that's right jews own all newspapers so I'm sure you won't trust that with your mentality

The poor terrorists should be allowed to go back and forth freely. It is very bothersome to find obstacles on the way when people goes to their business of murdering others. What an injustice!!!

To Dave from the Islamic state Of Great Britain. Would you not think the Irish bishops of Ireland , that wonderful and important world power, would have enough to do in Ireland with the gay priest epidemic in ireland and the rest of the world and their fight with the protestants in Irelannd, no it seems they want to take on the Jews as well. Busy people these Catholics

So it is an injustice that the pals cannot freely murder Jews on the roads. Then it must be just that the pal terrorists have free access to killing Jews. Is that Christian charity?

Yes, the resposnes are entirely predictable. Hateful, because they can only see the statemnt by the Irish bishops as hateful. That takes the pressure off from looking at the evils of the occupation and what Israel has turned Gaza into. That is not allowed. That is nothing but pompous moral posturing as far as you are concerned. Well, it has meaning and the bishops should be praised for taking the stand they did. As for Darfur, I suggest you read the June 2006 statement from the same organisation recommending sanctions and pressure on the Irish government. And what have Israeli human rights organisatins done in Darfur. What have the chief rabbis said or done in this or any other catastrophic area of the world? What? Yet, you can slander the bishops because they say what B'tselm itself says. Talk about an exit strategy. You never had one to begin with.

Who will follow suit ?

So they support the Sinn Fein, a branch of the terrorist gang IRA, which support the terrorist gang ETA. Those terrorist organizations, IRA and ETA, have always been supporting the pal terrorists. How can it be that bishops in places where there is terrorism support the terrorists instead of the victims? This is shameful.

In Argentina we have many jews here...is this how they feel (in secret) about Catholics? If so, then lets rumble! :) From Argentina to France, Italy, Poland and Chicago, USA! The Jews have more to lose from a vitrial spate, as there are far more jews in Catholic countries than Catholics in Israel...Buenos Aires is filled with them....so is Mexico City, the Catholic church is a VERY important part of our lives, insult it, you insult the breast that feeds you...equal fight, no more OY VEY OY VEY the world hates me. You make your own bed.

Irish parents are onto the pedophelia of certain Irish clergy. Thus, there is a reduced "hunting" ground in Ireland and probable hopes of a "vigorous" Gazan welcome. Hope the Arab parents of Gaza boys are careful when welcoming these bishops into their homes.

Yup you guys know exactly where the exits are. Centuries of having to get out fast. You would wouldnt you

Israel left Gaza two years ago. Everything that happens there is pals? responsibility. Instead of criticising Israel, you should criticise the pal jihadists, who are attacking Israel and also harassing and murdering the pal Christians up to the point that they are leaving the place by the thousands. You should be concerned that our holy land is being left vacant of Christians for the treatment they receive from the Muslims since Israel left Gaza and thank Israel for protecting them during the years of the so-called ?occupation?.

What do you have to do with Sweden ? You obviously do not belong to the generous Swedish people. The great majority of the Swedes support human rights and are against all forms of inequality and oppression. You cannot be one of them. Perhaps there is a place called Sweden in Israel ?

Sounds like the name of some dreadful ailment. One thing you can be sure of Gomber is the Inquisition on the apartheid state of Israel is just beginning and all the slimeballs running it.

No bat yam they represent the views of approx 99 per cent of the human race. Their comments are identical to those of the Anglican Epicopalean and numerous other churches.

The hell, how are we even dare to disappoint you?!hey, we are predictable. You just could'nt expect such a response! Oh no, you did actually used all the bad words, and like a chorus aa9ai meant to say a Choir, but that will offend your high sensitivity), we repeat as the Guru told us too. In your eyes, there is no way that Israel can give the Bishops with the same verve and audace that they took for themselves. You see, you should'nt open the door too wide, because we the Israeli-Jews have a funny character, we like to check out the exit so that we may help you to find one as well.

The Israeli supporter,s capacity for self-absorption is unmatched. You'd never know if the bishops criticized anyone else because, if it's not about you, you don't care.

WOW - there's an old saying: poeple who live in glass houses should not throw stones - the gall of IRISH CATHOLICS to preach about law, crime & morality and what is right and what is wrong!!! I'm laughing hard from this hypocrisy

Can you please supply a translation in English of your brainless posts

YAAKOV. WHAT ABOUT ALL THE PRODESTANTS THE CATHOLICS MURDERED IN COLD BLOOD IN IRELAND, I HAVE CURSED THE BISHOPS THAT HAVE DENOUNCED ISRAEL. LONG LIVE ISRAEL, GAZA IS A HELL HOLE THROUGH ARAFATS STEALING THE MONEY,S THAT WAS DUE TO HIS PEOPLE.PLEASE PRINT THIS HAARETZ.

wake up before its to late more than half of the world is on to you. you better wake up before the other half realize what your doing to the poor arabs. my advice go back to europe

Irish Bishops should know that Inquisition is over. They better do some soul searching beforte dearing to preach others. Bastards!

Israel is like the prince with no clothes. The world is growing tired of mouthing support for what our eyes, ears, and experience tell us is Apartheid.

My god, abslout, doesnt that sound like Tel Aviv now. Exploitation of foreign workers in Israel has almost been developed into an art form.

Before you open your mouth ready to hold the world to account but not Israel or its occupation know of what you speak. Check out what the Irish bishops and Irish human rights organisations have been and are doing througout the world in places like Darfur then compar that with what Israeli groups or rabbinic leaders are doing and then get back to me with fact rather than your slanders.

Some things never change. In past years ,in line with their fondness for the nazis versus the English, with their somewhat hidden antisemitism, one could always know where to find the Irish Bishops on an issue. Now they continue their love affair with the terrorists.They just gravitate toward evil.

Tell the Irish Bishops to go kiss the Blarney Stone. Don't they have enough issues to deal with? Why don't they go to Darfur? Perhaps they are seeing too much green.

Time has been change and now we Owen our country and we can defend ours self please open your eyes and judge fairly that who put those terrorism in prison for their interest Why the Palestinians haven?t right of citizen ship in any Arabs nations but the others have that why those Arabs nation have spent billions of $ for destruction of Jewish State but did not help to Palestinians to establish their home in Jordan and why they kill each others with no mercy ,Israel is not their in Gaza any more

Eire was neurtral during WWII. Go read the conversation between Eamon deValera and Churchill. Privide sources verifying your statement that Hitler was a good Catholic. He despised Christianity, particularly Catholicism as a Jewish perversion that glorified the weak. Your statements are nothng short of hysterical.

These bishops do not represent the whole of the Irish people.

Hey Sullivan. Are you really Father Ted? Look at the plank in your own eye before pointing out the speck of sawdust in your brothers eye! Sounds like you anticipated the response well on this one as you must be embarrased!And so you should be!!!

Irish Bishops have their own problems with child molesting at the forefront and I don't see any Rabbis speaking against Ireland in general. Also where is their outrage when suicide bombings occur and the NEED to build a fence. Those poor misguided Bishops need a few lessons in grace.

AND THE LITTLE BOYS THEY HAVE SEXUALLY ABUSED AND, ARE PROTECTED BY THE VATICAN. WHAT ABOUT THE STARVING CHILDREN IN SOUTH AMERICA.SELL YOUR PAINTINGS AND FEED THE POOR.THE SAME OLD STORY THE JEWS KILLED JESUS. PLEASE PRINT THIS HAARETZ. DANNY.

YACOV SULLIVAN THE MORON. I SUGGEST THE VATICAN SELLS SOME OF THE PAINTING WHICH HAVE AN ENORMOUS VALUE TO THEM, AND FEED THE CHILDREN WITH THE MONEY FROM WHICH THEY RECEIVE TO FEED THE CHILDREN IN SOUTH AMERICA.OFF COURSE ITS THE SAME OLD BLOODY STORY THE JEWS KILLED JESUS CRIST. PLEASE PRINT THIS HAARETZ FROM DANNY.

I have always advocated a fair deal for the Palestinian people, but this Sullivan guy invites a strong rebuttal. He overlooks the fact that the Irish Catholic hierarchy (and their offshoot in the USA - e.g. Father Coughlin) have a long and disreputable record of virulent anti-Semitism and a slanted view of Israel and the Arabs. When have they ever condemned Palestinian extremist suicide bombings or sent condolences to the innocent victims? Let's also never forget that Irish clergy joined President de Valera in offering condolences at the Nazi German embassy after Hitler committed suicide!

hard choice, this is!

in iraq

And sure enough here they are spewing their venom. Never, ever, never,ever, ever, ever Israel, nor the Jews, god forbid. The Jews and Israel must be judged by their owm standards and everybody else damn well better listen. So here we get the usual canards and attacks and slanders, just as I said. And believe me more will follow. Anything, anything no matter how low meant to disparage, mock and ridicule but never ever divert that criticism toward Israel and what it is doing as an odious occupier. No, on that the world must be silent and accept what Israel tells them or there will be hell to pay. Brant is an example of this sickness.

All too predictable from the Irish. Are they going to do something about the human rights of all the children abused by catholic priests or is that too sensitive?

Just a matter of time before they settle your lands and turn them into another Paris or Londanistan. I will be dancing the hora at the first riot.

They supported the Nazis against the Brits and accepted shiploads of German arms and offered assistance to German submarines. After the war, they forged alliances with palestinian and Libyan terrorists. They held joint IRA/Arab terrorist training camps. They accepted graciously, large amounts of C-4 and plastic explosives from Kaddiffi and used it on Britian. The Irish are a people who respect tradition and so they continue playing homage to their former comrades in arms- the palestinians.

I say, thanks goodness there is a "man" of ethics, moral and one would go as far as saying a proper heir to a Voltairian morality, to reminds the Israelis the anticipated reaction to the Irish Bishops criticism. Well, look at that: a proper liturgist, pontificating to some of us who just dare to one more use the language of you hear in the great Pubs of Ireland. Sullivan, with all his antipathy to the Israelis and their arrogance for overlooking the humanity of our adverssaries, forgot that way before the Greek and the Romans, thus the Western Civilisation, it was the Judaism that has promoted the right for human dignity. But what the Bishop is proposing is not dignity for all, but he still keep the right for humanity to the People of Gaza and WB, whereas the Israelis don't really deserve such a concern. I just want to remind the guy that basecally there is two sides to every story, and urge him to give attention to that point; because otherwise all his humanity will be shortcoming.

c Paddies from Dublin and your sanctimonious lewd bishops silent on this .The Swedish press have published reports how Polish construction workers toil for 10 £ a day,live in unheated hovels with no windows and no toilets and are threatened by their Dublin landlords and employers by being deported if they complain. Your bishops are on a take from these Paddy Bloodsuckers so instead they prefer hollering about the pampered pals

pathetic, hypocritical, ignorant, self-righteous, arrogant, cowardly and bigoted irish bishops.... no question about it. Tell me sullivan, if these bishops only criticise israel and ignore what is happening in the rest of the world...how do you explain that ? they make me sick

Didn't the Irish also support the Nazi's the during WWII? Hitler was a good Catholic and it appears that Bishop Field is continuing support of the same sort of Jew murdering. Shame on the Bishop. But his eternal "reward" will be in the "smoking" section.

You;re absolutely right. Just as you could mark anyone;s words that you'd be the first one out of the box to be grateful for whomever or whatever devalues and delegitimates Israel. Hypocrisy is a two way boulevard, Yaakov

with all of Israel being the main prison camp, anyone who has ever been to the Gaza or Bethelehem can attest to this. Barricade after barricade, what kind of mosters do this type of society create? I shudder at the thought of what virused minds are emerging from such a barbaric and inhumane society.

Did their terror help them achieve their goals? Nope: It only made them suffer more.

and look over their support for the bombing of civilians during the conflict in their own locality before they intstruct a country like Israel on ethical matters. Then they should ask themselves what a coincidence that yet again, as in Germany and Poland throughout the middle ages and with Roman Catholics in general, they again find themselves attacking Jews; I presume it's not against Israeli Arabs they voice their complaint. Then they can ask themselves why a year and a half after Israel pulled out of Gaza, rockets are still fired almost every day, despite a ceasfire to which Israel keeps its side, indiscriminately at Israeli towns (within Israel) in order to kill civilians.

Dear God: Please let these beauties beg forgiveness from the little boys they've abused. Let them do the rosary over and over and over for all the Protestants they've killed for all the years they've done it. Let them work to cure the most alcoholic society on earth; their own. Let them learn to look at other parts of the world with open hearts before they jump off cliffs bleating on behalf of only one side. Let them atone for all the hoarding of food and drink in their parish houses while their "flock" starved and died eating only cold potatoes. Let them ask themselves why they sat silent through the Holocaust and silent through Ahmadinejad's threats to the Jews. Let them ask their blessed Mother to counsel them next time; before they sound off. "Let him who is without sin, cast the first stone". You can preach it,boys, buy ya can't practice it!!!!

Question: Do the bishops mean like the Hamas/Fatah fratricide?

Thank God someone in the international religious community has the moral conscience to decry these Israli injustices. Thank God for their moral voice. But wait and see what will follow! Just wait. Here on this talkback, we will read a plethora of sneering hecklers filled with their tyopical venom cmong out and calling the Irish bishops molesters, abusers, how dare they speak of right and wrong! The same puffed up arrogance and passing of the buck. Never reflective, never inward looking but only outwardly attacking. Foxman will have his big mouth open on this one, will have a call into the NY Cardinal, read him the riot act and aorder him to get on the phone and condemn those irish bishops as promoting anti-semitism! Just mark my words.

And why,pray,"family reunification" in Israel,Catholic jerks hate so much? Do they wish a "fate worse than death " to their beloved pals?