Iran: World can't block our atomic program while Israel has nukes
Ahmadinejad made comments during meet with Turkey PM, who called for more bilateral cooperation.
By Haaretz Service and News Agencies Tags: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad UN Israel news Iran nuclearIranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Tuesday that as long as Israel was in possession of atomic weapons, Iran would not halt its nuclear program.
"When an illegal regime possesses nuclear weapons, the other countries' rights for peaceful nuclear energy can not be denied," the semi-official Iranian news agency ISNR quoted Ahmadinejad as saying.
Israel has never confirmed or denied foreign reports that it has a nuclear arsenal.Ahmadinejad's remarks were the first since a United Nations-backed draft was put forth aimed at easing tensions with the West over Iran's nuclear ambitions.
He was speaking during a meeting in Tehran the Turkish prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, whom he thanked for Turkey's stance toward Israel.
"Zionist regime is a threat to all nations and if it finds any opportunity, it wants to include all regional nations in its territory," he was quoted as telling Erdogan.
The Turkish leader, for his part, called for further bilateral cooperation.
He was quoted as telling Ahmadinejad that, "Those who claim they are after nuclear disarmament in the world should start the measure in their own country."Relations between Ankara and Jerusalem have recently been strained, ever since after Turkey banned Israel from participating in a NATO air force drill earlier in the month.
The Iranian president's comments came as UN inspectors visited a formerly secret uranium enrichment site in Iran.
Meanwhile, Iran's al Alam state television reported cited an unnamed official as saying that Iran would present its response to the proposed agreement within 48 hours.
It did not give details on what kind of changes Tehran would seek to the draft agreement hammered out by UN nuclear agency chief Mohamed ElBaradei in consultations with Iran, Russia, France and the United States in Vienna last week.
The draft pact calls for Iran to transfer some 80 percent of its known 1.5 tonnes of low-enriched uranium (LEU) to Russia for further enrichment by the end of this year, then to France for conversion into fuel plates.
These would be returned to Tehran to fuel a research reactor that produces radio-isotopes for cancer treatment.
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Iranian President Ahmadinejad meeting with Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan in Tehran on Tuesday. |
| Photo by: (Reuters) |
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Hypocrisy is not the point ? The extreme danger of a Hierocracy with a nuclear weapon is! It is a ridiculous notion to justify one incorrect act with another of equal stupidity. What are we dealing with? Iran's Supreme Leader said it was a crime to cast doubt on the June election but does not mention the crime of killing or torturing your own citizens. Yemen seizes ship loaded with Iranian weaponry. Pakistan Frees 11 Iran Security Officers. Group Was Initially Accused of Illegally Crossing Border. And then there is the ?Death to..? mentality. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said as long as Israel was in possession of atomic weapons, Iran would not halt its nuclear program. This is a clear statement of intent to produce a nuclear weapon. What do you need the green glow in your living room? We are not dealing with rational men. As with any extreme ideology to survive in the long run they need to eliminate internal and external opposition.
The bible was written long before the roman occupation. These romans are the ones that called Israel, palestine. So still the same myths about muslims having lived there for 5000 years while Islam was born 1300 years ago.
Why does Israel use the "But, Iran is an NPT member" arguement so much? Shouldn't Israel let the NPT members worry about that?
You should read Hurriyet today "the Surfacing submarine" and Erdogan's ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. Hurriyet's day may be numbered due to Erdogan's heavy taxes on it; read all these revealing stories before the paper disappears and no more whistle blowing will appear in Turkey, but only the official AKP papers. MB's founder was a friend of the Nazis, they assasinated Sadat, and are the precursor to Al Quaeda. He resembles Pakistan in its lies that it is a friend of the West, while being an enemy. His ruse for the EU has let him dissemble the army, etc. Iran and Turkey always had been allies of the Nazis. Turkey just cannot change its spots.
before 1948 all maps in the world say Palestine...even the bible that jews use to lay claim to this land calls this land Palestine...after 1948 all maps around the world save a few from certain countries say Israel...so in reality who wiped who off the map? stop focusing on wut he did or didnt say and lets examine wut REALLY ALREADY ACTUALLY happened...
Good luck getting in the EU with your extreme views! Don't deny that wasn't at one time high on Turkey's priority list. Now Syria is your priority. If you are happy with your new regime - than you deserve what comes with it, including rejection in the to EU and disgust.
Israel isn't preaching about the destruction of a country. They've had nukes for years, have they ever said Iran needs to be wiped off the map? Or any other country should cease to exist? Big difference! Israel NEEDS these weapons from the crazies in the world like Iran who are threatening them!
Iran, Turkey and human rights violations Ahmadinijad and Erdogan Ahmadinijad and Chavez OYYVAYYYYYYYYY
Technically, al countries have the same right to technology. Morally, one would legitimately argue that if one country ever expresses wishes to eradicate any other country, then probably it is morally unadvisable to let this country possess WMD or any technology that would get this country closer to possess WMD. I believe Israel never threatened to eradicate any other country. I"m sure Iran did.
What hypocrisy as usual. Iran signed the NPT treaty to get nuclear technology and agreed to inspections and no proliferation but of course was caught lying and cheating not once but several times in an obvious attempt to secure nuclear weapons, specifically disallowed by treaty. Israel did not sign the agreement and is not bound by any of its provisions.
If there were any doubt before there can be none now. An extraordinary statement from the man who up until now has claimed he just wants to produce electricity.
WHG:"Whether Israel is a signatory to the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty or not is really not the issue" Iran would not have received one iota of help without being a signatory to the NPT. No parts, no materials, no equipment, no designs, no advice. They would have had to produce everything themselves. What they have done is sign the the NPT to get the international help in developing a nuclear industrial base, then used then used this industrial base to produce nuclear weapons. They have breeched the contract and there needs to be a price for this breech or the NPT is worth nothing.
You can call anything you want your capital. However, that doesn't mean much if no one accepts it.
Where he threatened to nuke Gaza?
And the little tyrant squawks... bellyaching about their nuclear inalienable rights. Demanding new conditions for a nuclear cycle he hasn't mastered yet. Hmm... so Iran's peaceful nuclear energy is somehow dependent on a Israeli weapons system. Don't we just love this little squeaky bird. That's the magic carpet ride the Iranians prepared for us all. Yeah... radio-active fun and games Tehran style, nothing new... zero has changed. As if all this atomic mumbo-jumbo isn't meant to produce nuclear weapons and string us all along.
1.Refuse to halt nuclear enrichment and weapons program, 2.Promise to let inspectors only to known enrichment centers, but delay their inspection. 3.Refuse to halt nuclear enrichment and weapons program. 4.Agree to enter nuclear enrichment talks with goodwill while continuing enrichment activities , and promise to come back to UN with counter proposals after a few months consideration. 5.Come back with counterproposals on enrichment and weapons programs which appear to be compromise and cooperation. 6.Back track on previous agreement by any other iranian spokesperson and insist that Iran will carry on with enrichment and weapons program, but state that nuclear activities are peaceful. 7.Respond to UN threats of sanctions and embargo by promising to be more forthcoming but require time to consider proposals and formulate counter proposals after due consideration. 8.Refuse to halt nuclear enrichment and weapons program 9.Agree to ship enriched uranium, and buy back change mind etc etc c
You say: "When an illegal regime possesses nuclear weapons, the other countries` rights for peaceful nuclear energy can not be denied," First of all Israel is not an illegal regime. Israel was declared a legal country by the UN in 1948. Only the Arab countries did not accept this decision and that is why the Pals are still suffering today. Second, if Iran wanted nuclear energy for peaceful reasons they would not correlate it to israels nuclear arsenal. Simple logic.
Here it is, read it again: "Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Tuesday that as long as Israel was in possession of atomic weapons, Iran would not halt its nuclear program." No speculation here! Can't be any clearer than that. Unless you don't know how to read that is.
What an Ignorance!!! Go wikipedia and Search abouth "Turkey".
The psychological situation of Israeli people really makes me worry. That's obvious guys, if one has nuclear weeapons, all others have the very same right. Someone says "Israel doesn't threat anyone". What does it mean? Should a Israeli statesman say that "I'll kill all of you!" Is that what we need? Atomic bombs are atomic bombs, not simple toys for children. They threat everyone by their existence. No need for some stateman's declaration. And why do you always talking about Turks' human rights problem? As a Turk, I definetely criticize Turkish state's Kurdish policy and advocate all human rights for Kurds of Turkey. I hope it's going better nowadays. But that's not the problem here. You cannot avoid your problems by showing others. It's so childish. If we want to leave in a peaceful Middle East, all of us needs criticizing ourselves. It's easy to be a nationalist, to be a zionist or islamist, but it's hard to be a human who is not afraid of criticizing his own people and own crimes.
"Israels unbridled expansion" where to? 10 Km to the beach?
it might look reasonable to you however it is not reasonable for the israelis that heard his threats and know the iranian record since their islamic revolution.the war the iranians continued against Saddam even after he requested to end it, cost them 2,000,000 iranian lives and another 1,000,000 iraqis that mean that israelis understand human life is not on the top of the iranian regime priorities.YOUR ASSESMENT OF ISRAELI RUTHLESS ACTION IS BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION AND OUT OF REASON.israel will never let others states or people hit it without hitting back that is true with the paletinian and with the iranian alike
Maja the illegal regime is the legitimate state of the proud jewish nation .a nation that is taking its fate into its own hand and will never again be slautered by anyone on this planet.If Israel has nukes they will serve to garantee my statement and if you don't like it tough
Rumsfeld was shaking hands with Saddam 25 years ago, so where where you then?
And i thought that iran is looking at atomic power for medicinal and energy use only!!!!
THE ONLY RECOGNIZED CAPITAL IS TEL AVIV Israel decided that Jerusalem was its capital from day 1 and it has always been Israels capital and has never been the her country otcapital of any other country in history. The US chose to make Washington DC their capital and the British chose to make theirs in London. It is down to independent states to CHOOSE their own capitals they are not chosen for them by the UN or foreign powers who would like the capital to be elsewhere for their own political reasons. All countries in the west at least recognize Jerusalem is Israels capital but they chose to base their embassies in Tel Aviv to avoid upsetting the arabs. Congress has already athorised moving the embassy to Jerusalem its just Clinton & Bush and now Obama stalled on it to keep the arabs happy. If Congress has voted to move the capital the US obviously recognizes Jerusalem is Israels capital JERUSALEM IS THE ONLY CAPITAL ISRAEL EVER HAD & THATS NOT DEPEDENT ON INTERNATIONAL RECOGNITION
"we all agree that Ahmadi...is an idiot." Well, I don't agree! he is smarter than american and israeli politicians combined.
What it says is that Israel chose to develop nukes quite LEGALLY which was its right. There is no difference in the legality of Israels nuclear weapons program as it is with the US, Russia, UK, France, China, India & Pakistan. If Israel as a non NPT signitory has no right to nukes then neither do any of those countries have a right to them. Israel has acted incredibly sanely with its nuclear program in the 40+ years its had the things it has never once threatened anybody with them India & Pakistan have on more then one occasion come to a nuclear standoff when hostilities arose. The US has used nukes. Russia, China, US, UK & France have in theory been threatening each other with nuclear war throughout the Cold War. Out of all the LEGAL nuclear powers only Israel has never threatened anybody with them. Israel charter of independence defines the country as a secular jewish state. It does of course have its share of religious nuts but they dont run the country unlikes Irans ayatollahs
we all agree that Ahmadi...is an idiot. However, his argument cannot be dismissed. Israel has shown its ability to be ruthless in the name of security (e.g. cast lead) so why should the international community not put pressure on Israel to dismantle its nuclear arsenal? This has nothing to do with the NPT.
The "Zionist regime" is a state recognized by the UN. Those Western powers who tolerate current Iranian statecraft are effectively enabling a longstanding policy of declarations of war against Israel accompanied by consequential acts of war (arming Hamas etc.) The entire issue of Iranian nuclear weaponization (one part of the entire Iranian strategy in any event) to one side, those Western powers should not react with shock and horror once Israel formally recognizes that it is in fact in a de facto and de jure state of war with iran.
It's Tel Aviv. The only recognized capital is Tel Aviv. Repeating "Jerusalem" one millions times in the US press will not change the capital from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Not country in the world, including the US, recognizes Jerusalem, and all countries of the world keep their embassies in Tel Aviv. Keep trying, you might get lucky some day.
"This is tantamount to admitting that the Iranian nuclear program`s goal is to produce the "bomb"." No it isn't. " It can`t be any clearer than that" What is clear is that you're speculating.
Turkey has absolutely no ethical standing to make moral pronouncements on others. Despite the trappings of "democracy", it has a very dark side. Ask the Kurds. Erdogan despite his suits, is a dyed-in-the-wool islamist and his ultimate agenda has nothing to do with democracy or human rights.
Whether Israel is a signatory to the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty or not is really not the issue. Israel is, nevertheless, a nuclear power with a nuclear arsenal and a reasonably belligerent power at that. So while it may not be violating the NPT, it certainly is a threat to its neighbors and has, indeed, threatened them overtly. Who can blame Iran for wanted to be equally prepared.
Not only Israel, but all powers should terminate their atomic infrastructure.
"Israel has not threated its neighbours in any way" Israel has illegally acquired, by war, 50% of it's neighbour's territory "`whereas the Iran President has done so" He re-iterated a precdiction actually. "so what do expect Israel to do????" Fully support the IAEA perhaps? Sign the NPT. BTW Why won't it?
Shifting the focus will not work. Israel is not a signatory to the NPT. It is not bound by it's acceptance of that treaty. Nor was Israel found violating the treaty. Iran is in a mess it made and the ONLY way out is to not only comply with the NPT, and it's Additional Protocols, Iran must now convince the world it actually will continue to do so. Trying to change the focus to Israel is accomplishing nothing except to undermine Iran's position. Recent efforts to negotiate with China to purchase fuel for the Tehran Research Reactor without supplying the feed material also undermine Iran's position.
Ahmadinejad is absolutely right, Iran would be a fool not to develop a nuclear capability while Israel is armed with over 200 nuclear weapons.
"When an illegal regime possesses nuclear weapons, the other countries' rights for peaceful nuclear energy can not be denied,"
ALl of the nations in the mideast should be suspicious of Israels unbridled expansion. Israel is the only nation in the region which has nucear arms. As a result, Israel subscribes to the "might makes right" philosophy. The only way to address this dangerous imbalance is for another nation to emerge to achieve balance of power with Israel.
It is Iran that has been threatening to wipe out Israel - not the other way around. It is Iran that has been attacking Israel through its terrorist proxies Hizbula and Hamas. All of this, despite the fact that they don't even share borders with Israel. In short, if they seek weapons is not for defense - they have been on the offense already.
We 're ok. wwith our government and it's efforts for the peace in the region. We signed a lot of high profiled strategic aggreements with Syria, Irak and a protocol with Armenia and trying to solve the problems with our Kurdish citizens to guaranty their rights of language, culture, etc... The only problem is Israel who withdrew back peace tals with Syria and attached on Gaza... Finally we do not need you to guide us, we know and aware of on which way our idrection is and proud of our Prime Minister Erdogan. Look at yourselves
The point here is that Israel has not threatened any country with "annihilation" as Ahmadinejad has. Of course Israel threatened Lebanon and Gaza with military retaliation for the aggressions coming from these countries via Hezbollah and Hammas. Capish?
"Why such an attention to Israel then?" That NPT signature thing is far too thin an ice to stand on. It does not justify Israel having nukes; all it does say is that Israel acquired/built them in secret. The reason for attention is simply this: Especially lately, Israel does seem to behave sanely. Israel is not (or, no more) a secular state; and the religious nuts in power are not trustworthy.
shaking hands with a holocaust denier. Shame on the president of Turkey
You omit the fact that he has made a conditional statement. If Iran has to face nuclear blackmail from Israel it necessarily wants its own weapons to ensure mutual assured destruction and protect itself. If you are living under the threat of nuclear blackmail the need for self protection demands that you be able to counter the threat.
What he said was that they would only have the intention of developing nuclear weapons if Israel continues to have them. This makes a lot of sense for anyone living under the threat of nuclear blackmail from Israel. The easy solution is for Israel to give up its atomic weapons, and then they won't need their own.
One observer noted that the group protesting Gaza in Turkey could have protested the sad state of women in Turkey which includes a very high rate of domestic violence, a poor economy and poor education. They could have been protesting for their human rights in Turkey. It is one of the worst countries for women's rights, low for freedom of speech. Erdogan has put up all kinds of propaganda about Gaza and incited antisemitism.
while true that iran could argue any logic on the basis of israel having nukes but his remarks were not to have nuclear weapons but to have peaceful nuclear energy. It is smart rhetoric denying the will to acquire nuclear weapons while blasting israel for possessing such weapons. Israel can protest all she wants but she plays on rhetoric too... The best way to defuse the iran nuclear program would be to eliminate all of israel's nuclear arsenal. Israel's security is guaranteed under the u.s nuclear umbrella just like europe is via nato. there is no logic for any european country or israel for that matter to possess nuclear weapons. Israel's possession of nukes is one destabilizing factor in the region, once that issue is resolved iran would be under great pressure to dismantle its own program (weaponized)
Your comment, "Israel has not threated its neighbours in any way" made me smile, but I suspect that the inhabitabts of Lebanon, the occupied West Bank and particularly Gaza would not smile at this clearly ludicrous statement.
Can't you see that Erdogan is highjacking your country into dangerous territory? Are you proud seeing him shaking hands with a fascist who murders his own people to stay in power, who denies the Holocaust, who tortures and jails foreign and local journalists, who executes gays, etc.? Is this the image Turkey wants to be associated with in the 21st century? Or do you want to continue on the path Ataturk has chosen towards modernity and democracy? You are at a crossroads here, and you need to do something before its to late for your beautiful country.
The difference between Iran and N.Korea on one side and Israel, India and Pakistan on the other is that the former two were signatories of Non-Proliferation Treaty and by doing so promised not to develop the nuclear weapons - and lied. The three nations who did not sign the treaty did develop the weapon, which was and is their full legitimate right. Nobody seems to mind India and Pakistan, which are much more likely to use it on each other. Why such an attention to Israel then?
...of seeing Turkey's prime minister shaking hands with a fascist dictator who killed his own people to stay in power! Whatever happened to his legacy...
"Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Tuesday that as long as Israel was in possession of atomic weapons, Iran would not halt its nuclear program." This is tantamount to admitting that the Iranian nuclear program's goal is to produce the "bomb". It can't be any clearer than that. The world should stop burying their head in the sand and finally see the truth.
I read that Iran bought a lot of votes in Turkey that may have helped put Erdogan in power. Ayatollah exporting the Iranian Revolution? Surrounded by Hezbollah and Hamas, all agents of Iran. Turkey lost because of Iranian influence?
Read "A Trap for Muslims" in Hurriyet Daily News on how Erdogan is inciting antisemitism. "Today, however, there is change on all fronts; a recent Infakto poll shows that 44 percent of Turks consider the United States the biggest threat to Turkey, while the number of people who have anti-Semitic views is rising dramatically. A 2008 Pew survey found that 76 percent of Turks surveyed had a negative view of Jews ? an increase from 49 percent in 2004. So why are the Turks suddenly spiteful towards the United States and Israel, Americans and Jews? Anti-Americanism and anti-Semitism are surging in Turkey for the first time in modern Turkey; the government is sanctioning these phenomena, driving them towards the mainstream of political life. This combination of anti-Americanism and anti-Semitism is not a coincidence. Islamist thinking on the matter easily allows for such sentiment: 'The Jews are evil, and so is Israel; Jews run America, and therefore the United States is also evil.'"
Ahmadinejad never said to wipe out israel from the map. he said to get rid of the israeli regime. so thats a big difference, but of course this is not communicated or wrong communicated in the western media.
Iran hasown signed the Nuclear Non Proloferation Treaty which bars them from owning or developing nuclear weaapons. Israel, India and Pakistan have not so their nuclear weapons programs are all quite legal. If Irans nuclear program is for civilian use only then why do they need to worry about the fact Israel has nukes? Its only if we were asking them to halt a military nuclear plan that Israels nuclear program may come into it but if its only for peaceful civilian use why worry about what weapons Israel has. If Iran wants to come clean and say our nuclear program is about developing nukes then they can try and drag Israel into it but if Irans program is peaceful & Israels is military there is no comparison and should not be brought into it.
Erdogan is inciting antisemitism in Turkey. Just read the Turkish newspapers. His comment re: Lieberman is in dispute. What did Lieberman say: we should use greater force (he did not say nukes)?
This statement by Ahmadinejad confirms he wants the nuclear plant for nuclear weapons. Otherwise his statement makes no sense. What does Israel's nuclear arsenal have to do with Iran's nuclear energy for peaceful intentions?
Finally Erdogan shed his skin and showed us his real face. Shaking hands with a man that was in charge of the US embassy hold up in 1982 holocaust denial . Under his regime most brutal human right violations tooke place in Iran many folds more that under Resa Bahlawi the latest shah
Yes Israel has nukes so does america, the UK and France. But none these countries has said he wanted to wipe a country off the map have they? If some guy said they wanted to stab there teacher because they hated them, would you give them a knife? I think not. Iran is a Islamic state, there is nothing peaceful about Islam or Iran.
People on this site used to say 'Israel can have nukes because it has never threatened to use them on anyone.' Apparently not true. Israel's current foreign minister threatened to nuke Gaza and Israel has a long history of bombing other countries in the neighbourhood. Israel repeatedly and explicitly threatens to attack Iran. With people like Yishai and Lieberman in government Iran could quite justifiably say it needs nukes to protect itself from Israel.
Israel has not threated its neighbours in any way'whereas the Iran President has done so, so what do expect Israel to do????
Without any doubt, both parties to this farce (Comedian Ahmadinijad and Erdogan) reminds me of the another less funny intrigant from Venezuella; as in both cases the meetings are suppose to convey a message to those recipients that are well known: Israel and USA, but this particular case we should add another address French Ellisee tenant, Sarkozy. The new schism, because espoused by Mr Obama, "philosophy of non-confrontation-but dialogue" is getting to the level of schism, or cult that is creating a new reality in the International arena. Relationships between countries that use to be more discreet, now are now more ostentious and with to your face declaration. Tito in his "third choice" politics used it to advance his and India's interests in his time, it worked and now its again been discovered by Turkey, Iran, Venezuela, Lybia to list only few players with a red or green book.
Once an islamist...well, always... Erdogan the great statesman, the great protector of the Plasticinians, has a photo-op and shakes the hand of a former executioner and the titular head of (according to Amnesty International, no less) the worst human rights abusing regime on the planet. Isn't it time to cut the cord with Turkey, once and for all?
As if this Islamist cares about what another Islamist does.
If the intention is just to use nuclear energy for peaceful purposes, then Ahmadinejad's statement is a non sequitur--it would be like saying, "as long as Israel has nuclear weapons, the world cannot halt Iran's wind energy program."
Ahmedinijad is simply ramping up the propaganda to sell the deal to the Iranian people. The reporting within the Israeli media shows that the Israeli government is desperate for this agreement to fail as Iran will still be allowed under the rules of the NPT to enrich Uranium. Which means Israel will be playing a guessing game everytime they invade Lebanon or Gaza.