Iran: We need 20 enrichment plants for nuclear program

If they build these nuclear plants, Israel will crush them.the president of Iran is the anti-Christ .we must not let him succeed. If we don't act now, we might not be able to later.

bravo IRG ! another Salehi from Virginia evaded the Secret Service to crash into Obama's "by invitation only" White House party last week. IRG most likely had the Secret Service infiltrated by now.

I have read the bible. The Earth has four corners and is flat. The state of ignorance is so simple, so blissful, why complicate it with all that science stuff. No one bothered to point out that Moly is a SLOW neutron problem but is NOT a problem with fast neutrons. I understand why. They don't know of the difference. Reactors use slow neutrons, thus the need for a moderator to slow them down and why Moly is a reactor poison. Bombs use fast neutrons. . . . So the answer to the Molly issue would be to point out that it would not stop a bomb. It would, however in the concentrations in Iran's ore stop the centrifuges. Iran might have a bomb program. I am eagerly seeking evidence of such. So are lots of better equiped and financed people. The IAEA has a VERY difficult problem, proving Iran does NOT have a program. They cannot state Iran does not. But they have found little evidence that it might have one and NONE it does. I prefer messy science to blissful ignorance.

"MoF6 contamination is a technical problem." - Peter Williams Really Pete? I though I had made that clear. "Technical problems are eventually overcome when the source of the problem is found." - Peter The source of the problem is the high Moly content of the ore Iran is mining. The method found to solve that problem is to use a better grade of Uranium, but guess what? Due to sanctions no one will sell them yellow cake. "Iran have already overcome many technical problems." - Peter Williams Their down rate at Natanz indicates they still have not figured out how to prevent molybdenum from sticking to the centrifuges and throwing them off balance. "Furthermore it is in Iran`s interest to present their nuclear program as being beset by trouble, it buys them further time." - Peter Williams WE have abundant evidence of just how poorly the program is progressing Peter. http://www.iaea.or.at/Publications/Documents/Board/2009/gov2009-74.pdf

Perhaps they are studying weapons effects to harden or disperse targets. Perhaps, like myself, someone just wanted to crank in some numbers and see what came out. There are several simulators developed by the old U.S. Defense Nuclear Agency available on the web. They are DOS programs dating to 1984 and are 'validated' for predicting weapons effects. Those of us who have copies of "The Effects of Nuclear Weapons" have the nifty circular slide rule that it came with. Given that in recent years two nuclear powers have been threatening to attack Iran they would certainly have given consideration to hardening sites like Natanz and Fordow against nuclear attack. The simple fact that someone is simulating nuclear weapons effects is not proof of a program at all. It MIGHT be, if there were enough other evidence. General Washington Platt even had a chapter in his great text book 'Strategic Intelligence Production" titled 'enough nothings equal something."

Last week, they needed 10. Today, they need 20. By week end, it might be ... 50? A'jad seems to be going out of his way to irk the West. Saddam used to talk the same way, as he locked radars on planes in the No Fly Zone. It worked. Saddam's big mouth got his neck unnecessarily stretched. A'jad is a short guy. Maybe he should try elevator shoes, instead.

MoF6 contamination is a technical problem. Technical problems are eventually overcome when the source of the problem is found. Iran have already overcome many technical problems. Furthermore it is in Iran's interest to present their nuclear program as being beset by trouble, it buys them further time.

What are you going to do with your nondisposable nuclear waste? Are you going to put it in a volcano or shoot it into the sun? Are you going to sell your waste for weaponry? Why do you need so much and is it hearsay. Two of the Iranian interpreters were falsely reporting for money. So were two of the Israeli. What are you going to do with generations in the future when your radition belches back up out of the dirt 1000 years later due to an earthquake. I wrote the President of Iran a letter from the people of Israel a womans view point of truth as a blood vow I took to be of my people. WE need Peace to heal and peace to grow. We need way and truth and life. Rankoo-Karoon

I realize realty denial is popular. It is not only on the right when it comes to global warming. It's too late to do anything. Investigating paleoclimatology was a natural outgrowth of my youthful interest in paleontology, which sprung from Sinclare Oil dinosaurs. The current belief on the rabid right that all science is bunk, is twaddle.

...climate scandal and manipulation of science at the University of East Anglia?s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) in the UK. I always knew it's happening without having proof. But the attitude of godlike superiority of the environmentalists in such an approximate science was obviously a FAKE! They just rejected what didn't fit their models! And Obama buys this dreck? With what money? Maybe with his Nobel money...

But that isn't going to happen soon. Don't hold your breath.

"The US doesn`t need the UN for sanctions" - Mark Klein, E.G.O. Unilateral sanctions are guaranteed to fail. Do you think that Iran would be desperate to buy fuel for the Tehran Research Reactor if ONLY US firms were prevented from selling it to them?

Iran can resolve it's problems Tony. All it has to do is comply fully with the NPT AND it's Additional Protocols for a while. When the IAEA is satisfied ALL questions have been answered and all necessary inspections, interviews, and investigations are complete, it will inform the UN Security Council and ask that sanctions be removed. The folks running the Iranian program would be happy to comply. Iran's politicians are playing politics with the issue and preventing full compliance. Don't get mad at the world Tony. Iran's IAEA problem is it's own creation from start to end.

The P-1 centrifuges and the IR-1 knock-offs are only capable of running about 1/4 of the time. Iran's UF6 has a high quantities of MoF6 mixed with it, and that plays hell with the process and causes major maintenance problems. At the molybdenum levels Iran's centrifuge feed has, about 30 ppm, enrichmed to ASTM C753-04 standards for Light Water reactors it would still be under 250 ppm limit for the fuel. Enriching to the C1462-06 standard necessary to fuel the Tehran Research Reactor would result in 1500 ppm molybdenum which would make the fuel unusable in the TRR. Wonder why Iran decided to make a Heavy Water reactor to replace the TRR? No enrichment necessary, no molybdenum neutron poisoning problem. Wonder why the technocrats of the AEOI are so eager to buy foreign fuel for the TRR instead of enriching their own? p.s. yes, research has been done in recent years on the problem of powering research reactors with Uranium-Molybdenum alloy.

The most important 'fact' about the Much Touted Iranian program is Hidden in Plain Sight. The Program is WAY behind Schedule and Way over Budget. Natanz is far from finished, The development of the IR-2 centrifuged seems suspended, and the IAEA reports only one experimental IR-4 centrifuge is running.

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Today's Arab News cartoon is topical and very funny. Click on the cartoon to see the WHOLE joke. http://www.arabnews.com/

The struggle between political factions, coupled with the schism between the politicians and the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran have led to paralysis and contradictory signals. The AEOI guys are at wits end because they strongly favor the IAEA proffer and are willing to cooperate and even reenter the Additional Protocols. The politicians seem divided over how to make best personal political use of the controversy. Watching the general situation in Iran reminds me intensely of 1978-79. The hatred of the Shah's regime had been building up in all parts of Iranian society for a decade and each step he took just amplified the disgust rather than suppress it. The 'Revolution' was so foolish as to blatantly steal an election and thus betray the public. What had been a cynical resignation to the incompetence and oppression has turned to anger as people lost their last illusion of having a say. Acts of defiance and opposition are spreading, not going away.

Programs for simulating nuclear explosions are openly available and have been for years Jon. This is not 'secret' stuff.

"usa , russia ,britain , france, pakistan ,india , n. korea officially have nuclear weapons. why pick on israel tony ??" All those you've mentioned admit what they're doing. What is produced at Dimona?

very interesting. and they say there is no conspiracy criminals?

usa , russia ,britain , france, pakistan ,india , n. korea officially have nuclear weapons. why pick on israel tony ?? dont bother to answer !

No one is permitted to make nuclear weapons. Not being an NPT member does not mean certain attack. Look at Israel, North Korea, India, and Pakistan; no one attacks their nuke sites.

Do as you would have others do unto you. Israel is in exactly the same position as Iran on non-declaration of nuclear sites, so what is good for the goose.

Iran has not signed the Addional Protocol, so it is in its right not to abide with that. By a similar logic, Israel has not signed the NPT, so they are allowed to have nuclear weapons. You can't have it both ways. If Israel is not bound by treaties it did not sign, neither is Iran.

When is ISRAEL going to acknowledge it HAS THE NUCLEAR WEAPON? And that it used URANIUM in south Lebanon attack?. Finally when this TERRORIST STATE will open its plants to INTERNATIONAL INSEPECTION?. ISRAEL CAN NOT continue to act as a vandals defying the international legality. ISRAEL HAS HAD A NUCLEAR MONOPOLY in the region for several decades. You cannot hide or ignore the truth, the double standards, of Israel's nuclear capability forever.

Right in the article is this little gem: "The official said there are still disagreements over how far to push on sanctions, noting that some moves could affect world oil markets." In other words, pushing Iran too far would destroy the US and EU economies. The bottom line is, there is **NOTHING** the US/Israel can do about Iran and all the sabre rattling is getting boring. It is time to just admit Iran may get nukes and learn to live with it. To do anything else is suicidal for the US/Israel. Game over.

Iran should continue on their path to prosperity and development of their nation, and not even care what others think of them. Israel is so sick with envy towards Iran's vast oil wealth and advancement in technology, that they could end up destroying themselves and take us down with them.

...We need 20 enrichment plants for nuclear program.. So, what are you waiting for? Go get them. Nothing Israel or US can do about that.

The main question is; How much is the west ready to suffer for reinging in the mullahs? The answere; Not much, after all they want to get reelected again from their own populations. In other words; Never sh't, where you eat!

The Islamic Republic of Iran is a non-democratic form of government under which the will of the people may be overborne and supplanted by the will of an elite, non-accountable hierarchy of clerics, thereby denying authentic sovereignty over their country?s affairs to the Iranian people. The ongoing use of brute force by the Iranian regime to curb popular demonstrations against the widespread irregularities that marked Iran?s presidential election of 12 June 2009 is a mere symptom of the basic problem. As are systematic human rights abuses by the Iranian regime in virtually every facet of Iran?s political, social and economic life, aimed particularly at minority religious and ethnic communities, but also at women, students and trade unionists, including government-sponsored extra-judicial killings, the trial and execution of minors and the use of horrific forms of torture against detainees.

The Islamic Republic of Iran is a non-democratic form of government under which the will of the people may be overborne and supplanted by the will of an elite, non-accountable hierarchy of clerics, thereby denying authentic sovereignty over their country?s affairs to the Iranian people. The ongoing use of brute force by the Iranian regime to curb popular demonstrations against the widespread irregularities that marked Iran?s presidential election of 12 June 2009 is a mere symptom of the basic problem. As are systematic human rights abuses by the Iranian regime in virtually every facet of Iran?s political, social and economic life, aimed particularly at minority religious and ethnic communities, but also at women, students and trade unionists, including government-sponsored extra-judicial killings, the trial and execution of minors and the use of horrific forms of torture against detainees.

Sanctions have never worked and they sure are not working against Iran. They should of taken out this mad regime in 1979 after the revolution,now it is too late. My father always said,if you want to do something,just do it,don't talk about.

Where is Mel Brooks to do a remake of Dr Strangelove when you need him? The Qom "facility is a hole in the ground, a mine shaft. It has been verified as a hole in the ground with nothing in it. And now Iran threatens to build 10 more mine shafts. They started the first mine shaft 7 years ago and it isn't done yet. Check the purity of your essence!

Several years ago, Iran probably did not plan to build nuclear weapons. But this constant threat of bombing its nuclear facilities and applying economic sanctions will force Iran to build nuclear weapons to protect itself.

With or without being a signatory to the NPT treaty, Iran as a sovereign state has every right to enrich uranium for its domestic use, and short of unproven accusations and continued threatening rhetoric from the US and Israel, there is not a shred of evidence Iran intends to do anything beyond meeting that need. Iran has received no benefits from being an NTP member to date anyway, so if it did not believe in the NPT's principals and were indeed were after a bomb, it would opted out of the NPT long ago. Further sanctions will only force Iran to leave the NPT and hurt the failing US economy, while any military attacks will force Iran to develop a nuclear deterrent to future western aggression. Thus in the end, the US will suffer more than Iran, and its reckless use of force will sow the seeds of a nuclear arms race in the region.

The sanctions route will lead nowhere. This Iranian regime will pursue its ambitions regardless. Whether this regime is overthrown or whether the West and/or Israel attempts to destroy all or part of their nuke plants, that would still not stop Iran in its ambitions as the people , pro or anti Ahmadinedjad/the Ayatolahs are profoundly backward with only the Shiite religion/philosophy/fanaticism as their cultural background. Unless the people evolve from a primitive barbarian culture to a modern , free, democratic civilisation, nothing Obama or anybody else does will change the course of the destiny in this region altogether. What they need is neither sanctions nor bombs, they need modern education foremost.

The US only has one enrichment plant. Why does Iran need 12 enrichment plants when it has no plans to construct nuclear reactors to use that uranium? Still seem reasonable?

Placing sanctions on banks, insurers, and companies which do business with Iran would be very effective. Looking to the UN suggests the US weaseling out of taking tough steps as with North Korea which saw through Washington's empty threats and built a nuclear arsenal anyway.

"I though the Mullahs were supposed to be mad..." Only those who believe and trust them....

iran rejected the offer, in fear that the west would take it's uranium and then drag it on to not give it back, so iran made another deal, bring the rods here to iran and we will give you our LEU, the west rejected this, why? it's only logical that the west was going to dupe iran in full, iran was right, and has been proven so today.

What seems as the contradictory and see-saw diplomacy from the outside is only testament to the friction and competing forces within the system. The conservative, ultraconservatives (equivalent to neocons), the hardliners and the moderates are all struggling for the dominance as the crack widens within the system. The only shared sentiment by all of them is the lack of trust they have in the 'west'. I read at least a dozen analyses a day on the developments by western media almost none can decode the core of what's really happening. Even big and respected names such as Scott Lucas can't seem to quite get it. Six mnths ago it was about votes and rigged election but today people want change, not just within the frames of the islamic constitution (as western analysts claim). While the older generation chanted "independence, Liberty, Islamic Republic", the new generation chants Independence, Liberty, Iranian Republic. Ugh, there's never enough space....

German intelligence reports that Iranian scientists have successfully simulated the detonation of a nuclear warhead in laboratory conditions, in an effort to sidestep an underground nuclear test like the one that brought the world down on North Korea's head earlier this year. Iranian and intelligence sources report that this development is alarming because detonation is one of the most difficult technological challenges in the development of a nuclear weapon. Mastering it carries Iran past one of the last major obstacles confronting its program for the manufacture of a nuclear warhead.

German intelligence reports that Iranian scientists have successfully simulated the detonation of a nuclear warhead in laboratory conditions, in an effort to sidestep an underground nuclear test like the one that brought the world down on North Korea's head earlier this year. Iranian and intelligence sources report that this development is alarming because detonation is one of the most difficult technological challenges in the development of a nuclear weapon. Mastering it carries Iran past one of the last major obstacles confronting its program for the manufacture of a nuclear warhead.

I'm not at all sure that it is Iran that is on a Limb here. We heard yesterday in this very web page that Putin says there is no evidence Iran is working on a bomb. We continue to hear the Chinese say that dialog is what is needed and the IAEA resolution was not a prelude to sanctions. It seems more that the west has threatened Iran with sanctions and yet will not be able to deliver anything more than a token UNSC resolution. Maybe not even that. As for a military option, Iran doesn't seem worried at all. I grant you, the 10 new sites "like Natanz" with 50000 centrifuges is clearly a huge exaggeration. But a half dozen sites like Qom, with 3000, or even just 1000 each, is highly plausible. Iran's announcement to enrich uranium to 20% is also very real. Indeed, my guess is that it was Iran's purpose from the beginning. The failed negotiations were a useful pretext. 6 months from now, you will know if I am right. Cheers, and thanx for your balanced posts.

How does Iran back off the limb it has climbed out on? Just last week there were threats to leave the NPT.

...when the US has only 1. Please explain to us why this is a "reasonable" thing to do?

Don't believe the hype! The US is trying a bait and switch with Iran's nuclear material. Thankfully the Iranians are wise enough to see through this con game. Furthermore, how is that Russia and France can enrich highgrade uranium? What gives them that right? Their stellar track record on human rights? That's clearlly not the case. Because they are white nations? Seems more like it. Why not Iran? Why can't they develop their own knowhow independently? Why must they be subservient to the west? Because of israel? So this what's its all about? Why then are they opposed to israel? Could it be the way israel treats the Palestinians? How does israel treat the Palestinians? Thats pretty obvious. That then would contradict the moral case for nations to develop their nuclear capabilities independently. So how does israel get away with having its program without having to jump through loops and send 75% of it's material aboard to get duked? Lastly, how is it a deal if it has to be accepted?

Even the Iranian government--such as it is--needs to play to its hometown crowd. Nor do they seem to care about what the rest of the world thinks of them. That is not to their benefit. The lifespan of the current government is coming to an end. The Iranians need to think about the future and question whether it is in their own best interest to continue to be an outcast state.

I though the Mullahs were supposed to be mad...