Iran to IAEA: Access to nuclear fuel before uranium deal

Iran weaseled out of the latest deal, just as I anticipated It would have foolish, nay stupid, to give them what they wanted first and then hope they would keep up with their end of the deal I won't say I told you so, but I sure did!!

As if we didn't expect it IRAN RENEGED AGAIN ON THE LATEST DEAL

I was thinking the same thing. That Iran has been screwed so many times by the west that it does not trust them. I think that the IAEA demands should have taken this into account. Otherwise your posts are always interesting and informative, occasionally humorous. BTW, does Iran have the right under the NPT to enrich uranium? I thought it did.

ML: "I don`t think anyone involved was out to rob Iran." And yet, as Rumsfeld once said, "stuff happens". I'll remind you of your earlier post: ML: "Iran wants France to pay $1 billion the Shah gave it for a reactor never built." From IRAN's point of view that is not the only example where an agreement has been made, and then "stuff happened". And that "stuff" always seems to "happen" in a way which leaves Iran empty-handed. I don't think that has escaped the mullah's attention, Mark. That's why - again, from THEIR point of view - this is a much more sensible way to procede, precisely because this prevents "stuff happening" to them.

Mark... My post was based on an article in Alawsat, by a prestigious journalist Amir Taheri. An Iranian who btw, has credentials [read them] that are a bit more impressive then yours. He has written analysis of Tehran's regime for something like 30 years. I would remind you, he come to the exact same conclusion. If you want to act childish, saying I live in la-la land. I would simply suggest you read the article and take off that ten-gallon hat Texans like to wear. It may actually allow you to see other point of view. Here's a link to the article... Regards... http://www.aawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=2&id=18634

Since Iran can't seem to stick to any conditions they've already agreed to Let Iran come up with nuclear fuel before the rods are turned over to them No sense in hoping they don't change their minds again, it just seems that their usual method is to renege on agreements

"In Vienna, the west agreed to a nuclear compromise they didn`t really want." - allang The 'west' was delighted with the deal, as were the technocrats of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran. The west saw it as a way of defusing the ravings of those who want to use the presence of Low Enriched Uranium incapable of being used in a bomb as justification for a war. At the same time it solved the problem of refueling the Tehran Research Reactor without having Iran further enrich it's 4.5% enriched fuel to the 19.75% need by the TRR as this would give the loony tunes a reason to scream 'bomb' and scare the uneducated. The matter is down to dickering over when Iran get the fuel for the TRR and how much LEU it needs to send out of the country at one time before receiving the TRR fuel.

The only way Iran will be able to defend itself against Israel is by having the Bomb. We all know this.All USA air force would back up Israel in case of war. Israel wouldn't dare to use its atomic bomb, so Iran also wouldn't use, but like India and Pakistan there would be peace by deterrence. They sure have all the right in the world to have their weapons as Israel have. All the rhetoric is emotional, religious or fanaticism by the Israelis.

IAEA & ELBaradie, Has anyone thought of arraining ELBaradie before a world court of justice ? Because this person,by his sly,cunning, & acts of diversion,is allowing Iran to produce a N.bomb,whereby imperilling the whole world. All states around Iran,will now hurry to also have this deadly toy in their hands. Israel. Never,and under no circumstance should you comprise your security for flimsy promises,no matter by whom.

the west can first supply rods and whatever the iranians want first, take them to iran, and exchange them for the uranium iran has enriched, sounds like a fair deal, because when would the west give what iran wanted as per the "deal"?.

Just a thought but maybe the Iranians do not have the quantity of low grade enriched Uranium that they claim and the deal suggested would uncover this. Have the quantities discussed be verified, does anyone really know?

I think Iran is worried of France delaying delivering fuel rods for months and this could cause internal problem for Iran. Making nukes using uranium take alot of it and is costly, much easier and can make alot more nukes using plutonium since it only takes 1kg to 10kg depending on power of the bomb. Stopping the reactors is the major problem, the centrifuges are Iran's plan B and bargining tool.

The bargaining is just starting. Wait and see how the P5+1 responds to the counteroffer. The world has been down this road before when Bush/Cheney/Bolton and the French burned Iran with a similar "deal." Once burned, twice shy.

An Iranian comedian, Arham Sadr has a sketch about a tourist buying a carpet. It revolves around purchasing a luxurious carpet from a merchant he didn't want. The dilemma is how to explain to his wife, why he paid good money for a rug he didn't need and she won't like. In Vienna, the west agreed to a nuclear compromise they didn't really want. It appears, Tehran will reject the nuclear transaction altogether. The saving grace... no one will need to explain this fiasco to their wives. And yes... life is imitating art. What's most amusing is that the ditzy Iranians thinks they're pulling a fast-one on us all.

What is under discussion has nothing to do with nuclear weapons besides moving low enriched Uranium sufficient for power reactor fuel out of Iran while ensuring Iran does not further enrich any of it to the level necessary to fuel the Tehran Research Reactor. Neither reactor fuel is capable of use in a bomb. The Uranium under discussion is monitored by the IAEA. There has been no diversion, everything that went into the centrifuges has come out as either enriched or depleted Uranium. Even with the 20% enriched fuel of the TRR a bomb would have a critical mass of 400 kg, making it virtually impossible to create. At 15% the critical mass rises to 600 kg (1,300 lbs.). The rise in critical mass is an inverse square function of the decline in enrichment. At 4.5% it is physically impossible to create a bomb due to the huge amount of Uranium needed, and that the capture cross section of the Uranium too small given the mean free path of prompt neutrons . You can't make a bomb with LEU.

"3) We`ll dribble the processed uranium back to you as and when we process it." - Johnboy The object being that as fuel assemblies are produced they would be shipped allowing the gradual refueling of the Tehran Research Reactor. "The counter-deal they are proposing gets around that fear i.e. as they ship their uranium overseas it is replaced by processed uranium." - johnboy Not quite, they want fuel sent to them, THEN they ship some of the Uranium. I don't think anyone involved was out to rob Iran. Nor do I consider the Iranians as saying no. What we do know is that Iran had not been able to purchase fuel abroad for the TRR as they had in the past due to UN actions. The Arak replacement for the TRR is way behind schedule. It would not need enriched fuel at all, it can run on natural Uranium. Thus the problem might be nothing more than the TRR being so depleted that Iran cannot wait for as long as it would take to enrich it's fuel to 19.75% and turn it into fuel rod assemblies

The current deal being offered to Iran is this: 1) Ship the bulk of your uranium to us 2) We'll process it 3) We'll dribble the processed uranium back to you as and when we process it. The Iranians have a rather well-founded fear that this will allow them to be dudded i.e. they may ship all their uranium overseas and then never see it again. The counter-deal they are proposing gets around that fear i.e. as they ship their uranium overseas it is replaced by processed uranium. I am somewhat bemused that this counter-proposal is "unacceptable", considering that its main purpose seems to be to ensure that it "keeps everyone honest". The suspicion must be the the "objections" are coming from those who were planning a con-trick.

Are they serious? The only thing standing in the way of an agreement is a single shipment of fuel? That's all...and they see this as a major problem? Hmm..let's weigh the options...on one side...possible nuclear-armed Iran...on the other side, we may be out a shipment of fuel...wow, big decision. Are they saying no just to say no? It would give an advantage to Iran's peaceful program, which would give the leaders a reason to say it's an advantage...let them have it for the sake of all that is good and holy. It's like those people who say they would reject winning multi-million dollar lottery because half of it would go to taxes. So what? You still get the jackpot.

What else is there more to say that until the world wakes up and strikes Iran we will be at the mercy of Iran's wish to make a nuclear holocaust and a global jihad.

No wonder it does. It is high time to understand that Iran is stalling, has always stalled, and has always been busy making its nuclear bombs. Obama's decision whether to send more troops into Afghanistan or not to do so, may affect the general attitude towards Iran. A surge in Afghanistan will probably accentuate the ostrich-policy towards Iran.

Recently, Obama openly pressed Israel to freeze settlement construction. Isrsrl stonewalled and refused. What did Obama do? He shut up. This is the example which must be followed by any nation being pressed by America or the UN. Israel may have undue influence over America and some other nations, but these nations are unlikely to go to war on Israels behalf again.

The current situation in Iran is obscure. Ali Khamenei is up and around, but his recent stay in hospital certainly has caused some confusion. The folks at the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran in Amir Abad are deeply concerned about getting fuel for the Tehran Research Reactor soon. The Ayatollahs seem to figure it is a good time to see how much they can get. Meanwhile, the 5 plus 1 have tried hard to strike a short-term deal which would stave off an Israeli attack, meet the need to refuel the TRR, and avoid the need for further sanctions especially restricting gasoline supplies to Iran. The Ayatollahs have about two months to start listening to the men at the EAOI and do what must be done. After that all bets are off. At the very least there is agreement by all but China that sanctions will be necessary. Which will not matter if Israel starts a war, which would satisfy it's current leadership.

goes around come down

Since Iran has repeatedly threatenedd to destroy Israel Let's say your neighbor threatens you, you're going to run to the cops as fast as your feet can carry you

Rabbi Izzy Lahm tell your Israel goverment to bomb it, just dont cry to usa as usual!

Iran is absolutely right in rejecting this ridiculous proposal. Why should they be even more transparent about it's nuclear activities when Israel is a non-NPT nation and is known to possess illegal nuclear warheads. Iran shouldn't be talking to these jokers! It's the right of every Arab nation to have nukes because Israel refuses to comply with international standards and allow inspectors in. The point is if Iran wants to build nukes you can't stop them - if Israel and America decide to invade Iran then an Iranian reaction will be deadly and confirm the start of WW3!

"The best course of action would be to let the Sunnis and Shiites engage themselves in war". Shabbat Shalom. Wise words Rabbi. How did you you get to be this clever?

Funny world we live in. The UN Nuclear draft sounded well balanced. There is of course a problem. Iran will be left with little uranium. Far too little for a quick fix bomb. That is what we are led to believe. Here comes the clincher, 1.Who really knows the truth. 2.How much enriched uranium has been imported.from the DPRK.? 3.What were the Iranian scientists doing in the DPRK during the last nuclear explosion.? 4.They were part of the program, unless mere spectators as they wish us to believe. 5.One fine morning, the world will wake up to REAL video footage of an Iranian Nuclear Detonation. I wonder how the gracious president Obi will be woken up, guess its that famous am call. Goodnight from snowy Alps.

Stop the lies about it's nuclear work and about the election results. Over and over the world comunity learns about the continues line of lies starting with the discovery of a secret underground plant and fixing the elections by the fanatic clerics junta. It is in the interest of Arabs, Mulsims and Israel together to understand that nuclear weapon in the hands of the Iranian hate driven clerics will bring harsh reality to the ME.

Israel is comfortable being protected by the western powers and Arab silence or timid reaction. The onus is on Iran. All countries must be treated equally under international law. Israel must be singled out to meet its NPT obligations. Iran did but the West forgives Israel.

nuclear facilities... Enough talk already.

Who do think will be the next once Iran has erased the Little Satan (Israel) from the face of the earth?

The situation right now is not a matter of what Iran's treaty rights are. The USA as well as the other five powers and the IAEA were trying to prevent a war. They were also trying to solve the problem of refueling the Tehran Research Reactor without Iran further enriching Uranium from 4.5% (power reactor fuel) to 19.75% (TRR fuel). This was a 'deal' which would have solved the short-term problems of both sides. This would have bought time to negotiate a return to the Additional Protocols and the dropping of UNSC Resolutions concerning enrichment. The Ayatollahs have just given Netanyahu a green light for an attack. As Netanyahu has totally rolled Obama, the only chance that Netanyahu will be restrained is if someone in the IDF is willing to pound some sense into his head. Treaty rights go out the window when the war starts. Understand what is at stake?

Did you honestly think Iran would agree? Fools. You are all fools to believe that any Arab or Persian will be true to their world. It's not how they work. It's a game of finding the hidden truth. The best course of action would be to let the Sunnis and Shiites engage themselves in war. Shabbat Shalom.

When Israel becomes open to the world about it's nuclear arsenal,Iran will adopt a different attitude as well, in the mean time, Iran should do what Israel did; secretly build their nuclear arsenal and deny it all the way, it worked for Israel, it should work for Iran as well.

for peaceful purposes. Meanwhile - DT .. what bomb? There is no indication they want or are trying to obtain a bomb.

Iran wants France to pay $1 billion the Shah gave it for a reactor never built. It won't get the billion. Netanyahu thanks it for the green light.

but mostly in his own mind...

when one reads the history of the world for the last century, he feels that the only nuclear "danger" to the human kind is that of the USA and its little colonial entity called israel.

"The talks [with Iran] must be of short, limited duration," Barak added, "The principle we are recommending to all the players is not, under any circumstances, to remove any option from the table." As always, israelis are in hurry to go to war, if iran should not have nuclear weapons, the same applies to israel, enough hypocrisy.

"(Ehud Barack) acknowledged that the deal, if signed, would significantly reduce Iran's stock of enriched uranium, but said what is needed is a complete halt to its enrichment program."

Now we have an inkling of the Iranian counteroffer. The interesting part of the bargaining will begin. It is not the UN. It is the P5+1. There is a difference. Also, the IAEA is a creature of the NPT.

the hypocrite demand of the West to Iran to trust France. Iran owns 10 percent of a French nuclear plant that produces a quarter of the world's enriched uranium. Yet there had been no technology transfers to Iran, sth France has been obliged to.

... manipulation, and a doctorate in deception, and their religious credentials go down even more steeply from there! They won't seriously think of capitulating in this situation unless MOPs heavily laden under overhead stealth aircraft imminently threaten to shatter the very reinforced settings the regime is structuring (to support its refined crown jewels in Natanz, Busher, Qom, Arak, etc.) into smouldering slivers that very publicly scar and shame these charlatan leaders and setback their Shiite seance to well past their generation. May the many good citizens of Iran soon be freed from these hostage takers who keep voting themselves into their beloved, oppressive roles.

why would one trust lackeys of israel?, do they have a replacement policy?, that is if they don't get anything back will they recieve any compensation? , trust not in america or france, sounds like a shifty bargain to me, i'de rather by a car from a used car salesman thanks.

offers...to be rejected also when the time comes. Good work Iran, good work. Show the West how the cat plays with those rats until....Booooom.

UN would agree and the IAEA would supervise and make sure the Iranians get their bomb