Iran launches 'huge' war games amid threats to strike Tel Aviv

"If the terrorists did not install rocket launchers in civilian building, dairy farm building, schools and non military facilities.." Put up your evidence.

# 70 10 Plagues were visited on Pharaoh's land. And the angel of the Lord Passed Over the houses of the Israelites......And they were not harmed ! (Jews celebrate the Passover all over the world in commemoration of that event !) And since you try to show some false learning. In that book you can find anything you want. Since you quote words from something that was written over 2000 years ago & plant it to the present,it goes to show how strong those sayings are. But don't be foolish ! You can find the lowest behaviour of human beings,(Sodom & Gommorah). And you can soar beyond earth's gravity & reach to the heavens with the great Prophecies of the Old Testament,where cultured,& enlightened people quote their sayings till this day !

"Threats by Iran to strike Israel..." In retaliation.. " are historical and can only be handled by Israel being ready for a pre-emptive action if enough intelligence is gathered." Retaliation only means if Israel attacks Iran.

If I were you I would be hesitant to go there. In the same book you will find examples of plagues and famines being decreed against Israel when IT committed crimes and injustices (cf Goldstone).

If the terrorists did not install rocket launchers in civilian building, dairy farm building, schools and non military facilities, then the IDF would have avoided those buildings. So, please dont make stupid comments and act as a innocent bystander.

Really and truly,we should expect HRW to be protesting the Iranian regime's threatened violence against Israelis and its actual violence by means of Hamas and Hizbollah proxies. But I have a shrewd idea that HRW will regard the non-Jewish Israelis as being used as human shields to protect Jews from missile attack.You just cannot win with them. THREE CHEERS FOR ISRAEL!!!

Funny you mentioned your friend being proud; I have known & put tremendous faith in the women's movement in Iran & I have been following it all my life. For years I've been arguing FOR it on this very TB believing in its power. But let me tell ya, none of us thought the movement was THIS BIG of a force. I think it even took women in the middle of it by surprise. Don't get me wrong, they knew what needed to be done & how but to completely break away from the framework..it's been an amazing phenomenon to watch unfold. From Morning Mothers to women journalists, activists & students collectively, they make me feel an inch and 3/4th tall! And maybe the fact that women are to lose the least and gain the most when it comes to the regime...Nevertheless, behold their power!!! The best way to support is by keeping an eye on developments (regime hopes for world to lose interest), not recognizing the regime as legitimate, and pressuring it on the human rights issues.

Threats by Iran to strike Israel are historical and can only be handled by Israel being ready for a pre-emptive action if enough intelligence is gathered. The plans for a regime change in Tehran should also be vigourised.

I agree that the leaders should give up their positions, but the religion was forced and for that reason it should be rejected by the majority. Iran would put itself in a bad position considering its neighboring countries, but Iran needs to step up and show that they're a middle eastern country that doesn't promote hatred. Like some of the other countries.

When are those Iranian blabbermouths learn how to shut-up?. This cleric Mojtaba, another "paon" in Tehran's ' managerie ' is not in the league of his boss 'El Ahmadino'. I think that their Drill should continue until they reach another Oil patch, then they can concentrate on their psychological needs, sorely inadequate for the modern age.

Why should any religion be dropped? Just drop the idiots claiming to know what their gods know - and more; the ones hitting their chests declarating vociferously: mine is better than yours.

It always amazes me that people do not realise that and keep trying to force themselves into the only workable pattern. Afghanistan is no exception, neither are Iran, Iraq, etc. etc. etc. Educate and support... by example and from the outside. And with respect. Maybe it is because of the lack of respect for others that there are so many wars.

My Mother is a Persian German Jew and my Father is Russian Persian Jew. No one in my family is Muslim. In my opinion and many other Persian's opinions, we believe that Iran should just drop the whole Islam religion and go back to Zoasterism. Zoasterism was the first monotheistic religion. Ahura Mazda=G-d. Ahriman=Satan and Mithra was also worshipped as the light bringer. When you do your research you learn that a great deal of Judaism comes out of Persia and many Jews lived and assimilated into Persian culture. Arabs unfortunately made most Persian and Jews convert to Islam. Not cool at all.

it takes decades at least to wage a successful revolution to overthrow a fanatical, determined regime like iran's. however, you are right in saying "silence is gold." there is no point to making constant threats. action is sufficient.

Relatively Free Trade continues between Israel and Turkey because it is the right policy. Politicians in both countries sabotage the Peace Negotiations for their own selfish interests. Dump the blood lusters, the war mongers on all sides.

Israel is for all Israelites, not just the Jews who are less than 1/12 of those who rightly own the Land.

"The Iranian dictatorship may disintegrate just by internal pressures alone." - Morris Valentine That is the ONLY means by which 'regime change' may happen. Iranians will pull together if attacked.

There are those who know what the terms sigint, elint, and comint mean. They mean intercepting and analyzing the electromagnetic emissions of air defense systems, interceptors, anti-aircraft artillery and missile systems, command, control and communications. I am absolutely certain that American aircraft, ships, ground installations, and satellites are currently engaged in intercepting such emissions. We also will have photint and humint assets observing these operations. The USA, and any other concerned nation, will be watching these proceedings with eager interest. And learning. . .

tHE iDF DIDNT DO A BAD JOB. iN ANOTHER ARTICLE hAMAS HASNT FIRED AS MANY ROCKETS INTO iSRAEL.AS IT HAS IN YEARS PAST wHOSE AFRAID OF THE BIG idf NOW

If Israel struggles to stop Hamas bottle-rockets from landing on itself hows it going to deal with the powerful military of Iran?

I have read some interesting studies of radar propagation over the Persians Gulf. America supplied Iraq with details of where blind spots were in the Iranian air defense search and acquisition radars during the Iran/Iraq war. You can bet these studies are being updated during this current 'war game'. It must drive the professionals in Iran's defense establishment nuts when their political bosses who do not understand the difference between reality and religion insist upon blunders like the current 'demonstration.'

...through their proxies Hamas and Hezbollah. These are not sovereign countries. The buck stops with the management... Iran. This aggression has consequences CJ.

Recent events in Iran have proven that the populace is very unsatisfied with the way things are going in Iran. Sooner or later, they'll hang Ajmadinajad from a lamp post and change the regime. Iranian youth is no longer interested in falling for red herrings like "death to Israel." They've been duped long enough and are now too wise to fall for the regime's war posturing to divert attention away from domestic stagnation and repressive politics.. Israel should prepare for solid defense, just in case, but should not attack Iran, whose regime would use this external threat to unite its divided people, therebye perpetuating its control over the government.

IRAN & War Games. "The destruction of Sennnacherib's army of 185,000 troops. Sennacherib marched against Jerusalem. The supreme commander met w/Hezekiah's officials,hailing insults, so the people of the city could hear blaspheming Judah & especially,God. Isaiah the prophet told the king that God would take care of the whole matter. That night the angel of the Lord killed the entire Assyrian Camp,consisting of 185,000 troops. Sennacherib returned to Nineveh in disgrace. While he was praying to his god,two of his sons KILLED him & fled" Ahmadienjad & the Mullah regime of thugs.It might be helpful to find parallels,& see what could happen to you & your 'Huge'War Games ! Only the future can tell,if the world gets rid of this scourge of humanity !

And if those 800 kamikazes would kill many Israelis in Tel Aviv, I gather from your post that you would really be happy. And then your PM tells the press that Muslims do not kill. Let me get this clear from you do Muslims kill or not? Since Iranians are Muslim, is it OK for Muslim Kamikazes to kill Israeli civilians in Tel Aviv? And if they do will this be an acceptable Muslim behavior? Just wondering? Because you know Muslim Turks never killed Kurdish and Armenian civilians.....!!!!! Right? (Sorry if I am being a little sarcastic)

has always been the limited number of losses its public is able to endure. Any military action which can be regarded as successful from a tactical point of view, is disastrous strategically. A dozen Israeli aircew taken prisoner will duplicate the American embassy hostage affair - multiplied by ten. What will Israel do when Jews face an Iranian execution squad? Bow down or start WW III?

ManintheMiddle why do you think Israel got "spanked" in lebannon? Maybe because the little coward village boys fighting are dressed like village boys. One second a 13 year old girl looks like she is walking her camel to her sand hut and the next she is running towards a crowd of soldiers with a bomb strapped to herself. Also lets not forget that a conflict between Iran and Israel will be slightly more globalized = US WILL be involved, than Israel vs. Hamas/Hezbollah. Whether it's done covertly or not the US/UK will back Israel and teach Iranians a lesson.

Even if muslim country stages deliberate light attack on iran nuke sites and says it did so by mistake, iran will rocket tel aviv anyway. then what

Iran should be careful, any attack and Israel will crush them. I hope they are full of talk, civilian casualties in Iran would be horrible.

The Iranians have no need for uranium because it will take decades before the nuclear installations network is in place, meaning Iran has no immediate use for the enriched uranium it has accumulated. This is the main reason why many in the West and elsewhere know the only use for the uranium is for the production of nuclear weapons. What is the purpose of having a stockpile now if not for other purposes.

Dec 7th is National Student Day in Iran where nation-wide protests are being planned by the opposition which will include all ages!! You are correct about the continuous crackdown. There has been a lot of unrest in the universities all over Iran and they have been detaining and summoning a lot of the students. What's more interesting, the unrest has spilled into high schools and middle schools (the latter unprecedented!!)The gov has promised unbridled response! And threatenng to send basijis to middle schools (a red tape even for this regime). In a time span of 4-5 months they have executed more than 120 people, just to create fear and intimidation. Noone knows better than this regime how to create fear. One thing they didn't count on:fearless factor in every citizen's eyes, ready to take back what was taken from them...The realization is a hair-raising experiment when you can feel nobody is afraid of what lays ahead and everybody is willing to pay the price.....loads of purr & Meow

While in Egypt, he said the following: "Israel said we shall not introduce nuclear weapons to the Middle East," Mr. Peres said. "And I know there are suspicions, but if suspicion postpones war, let them suspect. We do not threaten anybody. We are not an enemy of anybody. The Iranians are not our enemies. We are against the present leadership of Iran, which is very aggressive and denies the Holocaust and says publicly they want to wipe out Israel from the map."

...and Australia is? Have the Aborigines been told yet? I believe Jews have more right to their land than you ever will as a foreigner in a Foreign country. No?

Yonatan writes: "A bombing of all Iranian oil wells at a later stage would be a good idea as well." This comment perfectly demonstrates the divide between Israeli interests and those of America. How does the destablization of the oil market help America? Not at all. All the more reason for America to distance itself from the only 'democratic apartheid state in the Middle East'.

When Turkey stops occupying the homeland of the indigenous Kurdish people, then Turks will have a moral position from which to criticize. Further, Ibrahim, to describe Israel's occupation of the West Bank as the root of all evils is going a bit overboard, isn't it? At the heart of the Israeli-Arab conflict has been the rejectionist stands of many Arabs and Muslims who refuse to even negotiate with Israel over its existence let alone just the West Bank or Jerusalem.

Israel correctly sees the Iranian nuclear weapons program as a military threat against Israel, and has not ruled out use of military attack against these military targets. Iran in turn threatens to bombard Israeli civilian targets. No less should be expected from this theocratic thugocracy that represses its own people, persecutes religious minorities, subjugates women, executes gays, and threatens all its neighbors. May the ayatollahs be brought low, and soon!

This might be a good time for Israel to lower its voice about Iran. Keep the powder dry, make whatever offensive and defensive plans are needed, by all means -- but not give the Iranian regime any excuse to crack down on the growing anti-government movement, or to push those on the fence into the mullahs' waiting arms. The Iranian dictatorship may disintegrate just by internal pressures alone. And although I suspect any new Iranian regime will refuse to give up the nuclear programme, the programme's goals will likely become far more peaceful. MV

phase1) escalation of words and/or treats.. finished. phase2) military powerplay on both sides.. underway. phase3) military confrontation.. yet to begin, but not very far away. phase4) the chain reaction and the lament "but we didn't know...", only then it'll be too late for any regrets, and there will be many of them.

Seems very NORMAL. Just what Israel or the US would do. No?

"the Ayatollah regime embarked on a program to develop nuclear weapons with the experessed goal to destroy Israel" There is no evidence of such a program.

A mentality that treats women like slaves and property, which men can mistreat is a big problem in the Middle East. When this mindset changes and becomes more modern, putting an end to the honor code, etc., progress might be made. Erdogan is from Georgia and believes in the honor code. I can't forget a story by a Georgian Armenian artist who fell in love with a Georgian muslim girl who belonged to another man; and the man's honor code led him to kill the girl; and the Armenian had a hard time recovering. This cruelty of the honor code is only one problem there. Women have to be educated and contribute to the economy by working; and maybe the honor code forgotten.

We all hope the people of Iran will put an end to the current loathsome regime. Otherwise external forces will.

It is indeed sad if the good people of Iran feel that they are being abandoned at this critical time by the free world in their struggle for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness in their own beautiful country that they adore. At the same time it is tragic for us in the West to see the brutal treatment the poor Iranian citizens are subject to if they get caught publicly voicing their dissent and if they're seen by the Regime to be even loosely associated with any Western help or influence. My Iranian friend here told me how proud he was to see the brave women of Iran lead these protests and he believed that their drive will continue till success is achieved. What practical help can you see the West offering Iran's citizens right now that won't backfire on them being subject to further persecution at home?

I am confident that my people will bring this one home and once again Persians and Israelis will be able to enjoy a positive relationship. My warmest regards to you my dear Phinias, and so good to hear from you!!

It is the will of the people that should dictate government policies. The Iranian revolution gave the people back their dignity. The Iranian leadership seems to want to throw that dignity aside for egotistical reasons.

You seem to be making too many foolish assumptions that Israel will start attacking Iran on it own terms, destroy Iran and walks back home with bags of its favorite Iranian pistachios and a couple of souvenir carpets! Here's my advice to you. Whenever you find you can't control you glib enthusiasm about IDF attacking Iran, stop and think about all those IAF pilots who have been shot down and being paraded on Iranian TV in orange overalls, not to mention the ones who won't be lucky enough to survive and their burned out bodies will be dumped in some hole in Iran. This is quite serious business and you seem to be completely clueless about the whole thing. Remember the spanking the IDF got in Lebanon from a bunch of village boys? Magnify it by million times. That's what waiting for Israel and its boys in Iran. I hope I have made my point clear enough.

I am fed up of hearing all this talk of war (from all sides). All wars are unpredictable regardless of what weapons are at ones disposal. The measure of victory an defeat are also subjective - one nation may be prepared to loose all of its major population centres and infrastructure in order to 'defeat' thier enemy, however another nation may not be prepared to loose a single powerstation / town / city in pursuit of 'victory'. Also - Don't forget that a superpower has been faught to a standstill in Afghanistan by an ememy without any tanks, planes, helicoptors, satellites, balistic missiles, or heavy weapons - so imagine what would happen if they had such tools at their disposal. Please - no more talk of war.

Given your call for "negotiations," does that include Turkey's willingness to stop their genocide of the Kurdish civilians?

The way Iran displays their continuing treats, implies that Israel is a third class military. Are the Iranians clerics that stupid as to not to aknowledge the rockets and fire power Israel has?Do they really think that Israel does not have the capabilities to strike them from far away?.By the same token, US has tjhe potential to launch thosuand of rockets and missiles from anyplace including submarines. It is perplexing to understand the rational in the Iranians.

between Israel and Iran until the Ayatollah regime embarked on a program to develop nuclear weapons with the experessed goal to destroy Israel.Israel is over 1,000 km away from Iranian borders and even further from Iranian opulation centers including Teheran.Israel had no plans to attack Iran until Kameneiand his mouthpiece Pres.Ahmedinejad,elected by fraud started preacing in Friday sermons about the need to eradicate Israel.The Aryanian Presdient Ahmeddinejad relentlesly denies holocaust,the most documented massacre in modern times by Nazis against Jews.Iranian islamic regime started the verbal assault on Israel and Jews followed by their inteded treat against israel. The Casius Belli was issued by Ahmedinejad and Kamenie few years ago by declaring their intention to eradicate Israel.It maybe just a rethoric to divert attention from Shiite Iran milennium old schism with Sunnis. What better way to wrap it up with a treart agianst Jewish Sate.Not unlike Hitler who attacked Jews first

could "demonstrate in peace" There is no obligaion to commit suicide in order to please somebody and there is no assurance Iran would be any different even if Kitty won. Millions of Persian Kitties had demonstrated and screamed " Long live Khomeiny!" ,hadn't they? They should extricate themselves from the self-created mess ,even by comitting suicide instead of demanding it from Israel

High technology or Missle defence systems maybe prevent a few missles but what if tens of missles fired simultaneously? Obviously most of them will strike Israel However you should also pay attention to one issue: Israel is quite likely not to use Arrows against Iranian missles if they are not heading to Tel Aviv, that is they will use limited supplies of Arrow missles to protect only Tel Aviv not rest of the Israel. Seconly Arrows and F16 maybe effective against Air Iranian Air forces but what if 1000 kamikazes full of ten tonnes of explosive each how many of them Israel can shoot down? 100-150, 200? Still 800 Iranian Planes will strike Israel Iran produces its own planes, despite they are tecnologically copy of old Phantoms 800 kamikaze phantoms are sufficient to make Israel off the map.

I am very fond of the Iranian people and this is not a fight between the Israelis and the Iranian people. Unfortunately, however, the people always pay the price for the lunacy of the leadership of all countries. Thus, I hope you are right that a transformation in Iran will take place soon. Otherwise, I am afraid that a real calamity will be visited on the ME. The Iranian leadership keeps pouring fuel on a very out of control fire. Regards.

If one of the facilities is destroyed there will be fallout that will spread across border and water by wind and infect the land and people of neighbouring countries. Countries whose people have nothing to do with the Iranian/Israeli conflict, this will garner anti-israeli sentiment in the international community. Also its good to note that what the iranian minister did was issue a warning to israel, giving them casius belli in the impending attack.

Ibrahim you are correct - but then Mr Arafat rejected it/ couldnt get his colleagues to accept/ was playing games - whatever. There have been several near deals over the years always scuppered by the Palestinians saying it wasnt enough. Sadly something seems a worse deal for these poor people than nothing at all

After a surprise attack By Saddams Iraqi forces Iran battled Iraq to a standstill over many years. In spite of losing hundreds of thousands of people and in spite of the fact that Iraq used chemical wmd against them, Iran slowly began to turn the tide and crossed into Iraqi territory. After this, the great powers stepped in and hastily ended the war. The point is that Iran will be like no other foe which Israel has encountered. The IDF were spanked and sent home by Hizbollah in the 2006 war. The IDF will avoid another such embarrassment by continuing to restrict their efforts to Gaza.

i think the best way to prevent the war is to be ready for it. in my opinion the only reason that there is no war yet between iran and is real that the israelies know very well of the iranians' militray capiblities and their detrmination that they will strike back if attacked.

Of course there is another scenario. The "Huge War Games" could well turn out to be a "Huge Crackdown" on the opposition. That is no more than an assumption which should not be taken seriously, since the crackdown has not ceased. So, what is the 7 th of December..? Will FREEDOM become part of the rooftop chanting.? Good luck to the great people of Iran. To you as well my sweet Kitty. Meow.

Ignorance knows no bounds....do you know that almost all of Iran nuclear facilities are within population centers? And please spare us the ususal crap that Israel only targets militay targets. As evident by Gaza and Lebanon II, we saw scores of dairy factories, UN/Red Cross outposts and/or ambulances, roads, airports, civilian caravans of cars escaping the ravagery, sweage systems, power stations, on and on... we all saw it. Hypocricy indeed...

"Israel cannot and doesn`t need to conquer and occupy all Iran; it only needs to destroy those missile sites and nuclear sites." Until it does, they might retaliate. That is what they said, retaliate.... " A bombing of all Iranian oil wells at a later stage would be a good idea as well." You go for it pal... tell all the kids in playschool.

impoverished militants in Gaza. Hamas might be able to... "Iran should just clam up and stiop incitement... but they cant help themselves can they." Uh? If you attack us we will retaliate. Not much different from any other country in the world actually. "They may bring on a war they cant handle because of their big mouths" See above

If Israel attacked Iran's nuke facilities, and Iran responds by sending missiles to Tel-Aviv, it would be interesting to see how the world responds to the fact that Iran would be purposely targeting civilian areas. My guess, not a whimper, and Israel would probably be charged with war crimes for attacking Iran's nuke facilities and be labeled an aggressive nuisance. Hypocrisy is trendy these days, especially where Israel is concerned.

The last time a US alligned country tried that, even with assistance from the US, they lost. And those with fantasies of the Iranian opposition welcoming an Israeli (or US) attack, should check out the results of the US thinktank Terror Free Tomorrow's poll in Iran. Widespread support for the nuclear program, widespread distrust of the US and Israeli governments. The Soviets would have had more support in the US for an attack there.

require navy and air force. navy to sink and destroy iranian assets, and thus tie up their harbours, Air force to take out petrochemical assets, nuke assets ammo dumps and infrastructure. So Iran is quite vulnerable . ISrael has Arrow 2 to defend against incomming missiles Iran has..... well... nothing Iran should just clam up and stiop incitement... but they cant help themselves can they. They may bring on a war they cant handle because of their big mouths

Dont blow off Yonatan. If IArael had commandoes on the ground in Syria before taking out its nuke facility, what makes it so impossible to have IDf commandos on Iranian soil when those 20,000 pound penetrator bombs begin to take out various enrichment compounds. Iran is on shaky ground, and is trying to be appear strong, when in fact she is terribly weak. With no air force to speak of, little armnour and even less of a navy, she should play nice in the ME sandbox instead of sticking shapr stikcs in everyones eyes. more so ISraels. Everyone know ISrael has no sense of humour , and will take our Iranian assets if it feels the threats are real.. Pay attention Kitty ya only got nine lives and Ahmedinajacket is prepared to sacrifice every last one of them

It is not unlikely that Israel can get away with those attacks, but If I were Israeli I would expect the boots on the ground attacks to be costly in terms of manpower lost and considerable civilian losses (Israel has been fortunate to avoid them in its previous wars).

You have been a source of immense entertainment for me. I think you should lay off the video games for a while.

... are a little more difficult politically and spiritually to determine more precisely, it appears. Zolnour is one cleric that should lay off the Jack Daniels (being illegaly imported into Iran for legal, private consumption as a mullah favorite, at least as revealed by a trafficker caught in the act in Iraq as he was about to cross over into Iran) before mouthing off as it could affect his aim and any slight tremble in his firing finger might direct his double-headed missile a little west towards the Dome of the Rock and Al Aksa instead. Iran the bully sees no problem in firing thousands of missiles into Israel through its proxies over the years but Allah-forbid that even one Israeli missile strike the motherland, or the regime will start crying to Mommy.

drills about countering a two-pronged Israeli land, sea and paratrooper attack, against Iranian missile sites on the one hand, and a hunt-and-kill search for hidden nuclear sites, on the other hand? Israel cannot and doesn't need to conquer and occupy all Iran; it only needs to destroy those missile sites and nuclear sites. A bombing of all Iranian oil wells at a later stage would be a good idea as well.

This winter will be everything but cool in Iran. I pray for the israeli politicians to shut up and not give any excuse to the regime so the people can carry on their movement. Never has the regime been so discredited and now openly hated. For 30 years they shouted death to this, death to that - now people chant 'death to no one'. There is a lot going on with virtually no mention in western media. So blatently ignoring the plight of people that it has become a joke with the opposition that the west is for the regime (otherwise they wouldn't aid it to this extent). The next big show is going to be on Dec 7th. Fasten your seatbelts. WE ARE THE MEDIA!!!

whist Israel needs to be prepared it doesn't need to allow itself to be wound up. Keep on shopping and watching the footie and if Iranians want to spend their time and money playing games towards their own destruction good for them. Perhaps one day they may get wise and get rid of the loonies in charge of their poor lives.

No doubt the Iranian regime feels threatened. Supplies of weapons have been blocked to the proxy states. The supply routes are well known. These huge war games may well be a pretext,in this case a photo op of immense military might..?, however there is a downside. Both Israel and the US will be able to monitor said war games. Weaknesses will become obvious. The neighborhood is heating up, once more. Lets all hope for a cool minded winter season. To the detriment of Iran.

Threat from all sides. Tell you the truth I'll be Bloody worry if I was living in Iran,the Us, Israel, Gaza, Lebanon, Syria. Why not cure the root cause of all EVILS. Stop OCCUAPTION, and go to the table of NEGOCIATIONS,carry on further from where they left off, which i ubderstand did reached a great understanding at taba 2000.