IDF said curbing West Bank raids for duration of Rice visit
Troops Sunday kill two Palestinians carrying explosives and approaching Gaza security fence.
By Amos Harel and Haaretz ServiceThe IDF on Monday has ordered to minimize operational activity in the West Bank during the current Mideast visit of United States Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.
"The commander of IDF forces in Judea and Samaria, Brigadier General Yair Golan, has ordered his brigade commanders to carry out arrest raids on Palestinian towns only in cases of vital necessity," Israel Radio said.
Over the past two days, a divisional commander has refused to authorize a number of initiated operations, it said.
Meanwhile, Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip on Monday fired a rocket into the western Negev. There were no injuries or damages in the incident.
The reported order came after an incident early this month in which a botched arrest raid in Ramallah marred a summit between Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak later the same day. Four Palestinians were killed and 20 wounded in the raid, in which IDF undercover troops entered Ramallah, setting off protests and gunbattles in the center of town.
When the summit in Sharm el-Sheikh ended, Mubarak told reporters at joint press conference with Olmert: "I expressed to the prime minister our indignation at what happened today in Ramallah and said that Israel and all the people in the region will achieve peace only by refraining from all practices which obstruct its course."
Despite the order against major daylight raids, night raids were continuing, the radio report said. The IDF arrested a total of 19 wanted Palestinians Sunday night and early Monday. The troops were fired on in the Jenin refugee camp and in Ramallah, but no injuries were reported.
IDF kills 2 approaching Gaza fence with explosivesThe report came hours after IDF troops late Sunday killed two Palestinian militants approaching the Gaza Strip security fence carrying explosives.
Givati Brigade forces opened fire on two figures crawling toward the fence south of Moshav Nativ Ha'asarah. A large explosion sounded, apparently from the explosives the Palestinians were wielding, and the militants were killed.
It is not clear if they had planned to cross the fence into Israeli territory or place the explosives next to the fence in order to target an IDF patrol.
IDF infantry corps on Friday discovered a bomb weighing 23 kilograms in the West Bank town of Hirbat al-Najr, south of Jenin, The battalion that found the explosives had earlier that week found an even larger bomb weighing 60 kilograms in a town west of the city.
The Central Command said there has been an increase in weight and quality of explosives being made by Palestinian militants in the West Bank. Terror organizations in the northern West Bank are working toward developing explosives that could be effective on bullet-proof vehicles, with the help of information transferred from militants in Gaza.
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Palestinian protesters scuffle with IDF soldiers during a protest against the separation fence in the village of Bilin in the West Bank on Friday. (AP) |
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"Operational activity in the West Bank saves lives of Israelis" - !CORRECTION! You mean it saves the lives of Israelis living on stolen Palestinian land. If Israel wants to secure its people then take them within its borders and dont settle them on stolen land.
"Palestinian Arab terrorism has existed since before Israel even entered the disputed territories" - Could it be because in 1948 700,000 Palestinians were removed from their homes by the Israeli army? Id hurt you too if you forced me from my home. "The history of this region did not commence 40 years ago" - And neither did the displacement of the Palestinians from their land.
they're like little kids trying to fool mama..."shhhhhhh...here comes mom!; get under the covers!"...as if ms. rice isn't fully aware of what they're all about. they might as well not even bother...and they wouldn't have fooled mubarak anyway. the worlds eyes are open to their mischievous little games. and something tells me that ms. rice is not the least bit condoning of them. i wish she was free to speak her mind...something very surprising i think you'd find...
The British Mandate for Palestine did not come into effect until 1923. It did not take effect until all border issues were finalised and the League of Nations were so informed. The British Mandate then lapsed on 14th May 1948, without any signed arrangement to take its place. An important fact, and one you refuse to acknowledge. But it meant that sovereignty lapsed, the land came up for grabs, and both the Jews and the Arabs of Palestine (but no-one outside of Palestine) could keep whatever they could grab. The Jews were much more effective at grabbing the land, and so they got the Lions Share. No argument from me. Whatever they grabbed between May 14 1949 and the Armistice of 1949 is theirs. No question, not from me, nor from the PLO. But what they hadn't grabbed by the time the Armistice kicked in was not theirs; never was, and never can be - unless they can get a PLO signature on a bit of paper saying they can have it. Do they have such a piece of paper, Paul?
Then Israel will act and the palestinian children will pay, pay with their lives. Now when the US is moving in on their last supporters, the palestinians will find themselves left to fend for themselves as always. Maybe the WB will be another "Israeli Park". If anybody is under the illusion that peace will come without justice you are barking mad.
why oh why do you people support this corrupt military?? this article says it all. They have no business being there in the first place?? If they only carry out one's of 'vital necessity' now, what the hell are they putting over 10,000 people in indefinate ADMINISTRATIVE DETENTION for, no trials no justice. this 'establishment' is a farce, the sooner it is dismantled, the sooner the state terror will end! Free Palestine!
Isreal will never fulfill the romantic notion as a homeland for the Jews. Modern Isreal, is more of front for the evil machinations of the New World Order. If you do not want to think that way then that is your darkness and 'naivete'. A true human being knows where their heart is, they do not claim land and borders at the exploitation of their fellow humans. The Neoziocons are the manifestations of evil itself. Yes an eye for an eye truly makes the world blind, but one who does not see the truth will live forever in darkness. Israel has no intent on peace, it does not serve its or the US's political agenda. The people of Israel and the Palestinians are used as pawns in this cruel and senseless game. It only brings profit for the war merchants, the cheney type sociopaths. The world will also have to accept the fact of 911 was a Neoziocon production called 'shock and awe' that paved the way for complete repression and rape of the middle easts energy resources.
even entered the disputed territories in a defencive war in 1967. Palestinian Arab terrorism has existed against the Jews of the Eretz Israel / Palestine even before the Jewish state was established in 1948. The history of this region did not commence 40 years ago.
This is simply more of the usual mindless and hypocritical activity of the Zionists. By the way, how dare you revert thousands of years and refer publicly, through so-called Israel Radio, to the West Bank of Palestine as your mythological and ridiculous 'Judea and Samaria'?
theft and murder in response to objecting. Israel is never at fault, no siree, doesn't matter how much land they steal, even when Israeli courts says it stolen, they keep right on---killing the Pals, oh, "I'm sorry" very quickly added. Zionists' gig is up--Jews will stay, zionism will go.
Why stop there; what would be your reaction to getting a 2,000 lb bomb from an F16 on an occupied apartment building to get one man, not there!!!! Both incidents terrifying, so why not cut them the hell out!!!!
My postings 10, 20 and 21 were not in any way related with WB raids and/or the Rice dish. The shooting of two Gazans was the topic.
You continually post that if the terrorism would stop and the palestiniansbe good little boys they would have their state.From the begginng of the occupation Isreal ruled with an iron fist and there was no terrorism yet Isreal kept confiscating land, building "settlements",bulldozing olive groves,etc.etc..they made life misrable for the occupied.Isreal created the terrorists with their brutality.
They are victims of people like you who cheer them on, making them believe that this kind of idiocy will achieve anything. They are victims of those who gave them the explosives and instructions, and they are victims of theri leaders who ekkp promising them that in the end they will succeed and get "their land" back. Thy ae re victims of their leaders who don't provide devcent services, schools and health services for them, telling them they have to suffer for the cause. They are victims, but not of Israel.
That is what I was thinking. If those terrorists had not been playing with explosives near the fence, they wouldn?t have exploded and would be alive.
It wouldnt have been logical for the Israeli soldiers to wait till the pals threw the explosives at them
Two Palestinians Approaching Gaza Fence with Bomb Killed; Palestinian Bombs Getting Larger - Amos Harel Israel Defense Forces troops on Sunday killed two Palestinians approaching the Gaza Strip security fence carrying explosives. The two were crawling toward the fence south of Moshav Nativ Ha'asarah. There was a large explosion, apparently from the explosives the Palestinians were wielding, and they were killed. It is not clear if they had planned to cross the fence into Israeli territory or place the explosives next to the fence in order to target an IDF patrol. (Ha'aretz)
It's Palestinian violence that's causing the Israeli reactions. Israel certainly doesn't want harm to come to Rice. Only the Pal's were bloodthirsty enough to fire rockets into Sderot while it was being visited by a foreign dignitary.
Maybe it wasnt the IDF that killed them but the explosives they were transporting.
I still don't understand your concerns with the goings on in the ME, when so many of your Muslim countrymen are committing crimes right under your very nose. A link follows that will allow one and all, including you, to see the prevalence of Muslim crime and it's rising to the top of the list in Australia. http://www.quadrant.org.au/php/archive_details_list.php?article_id=581
The "ALLEGED FARMER & STUDENT", part of the Palestinian program for killing Israeli's; Take a look at the following link, learn how children are trained from kindergarten to KILL, KILL, KILL. http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/001301.php
Of course it's totally unheard of that "alleged" farmers & students would take part in terror events. What planet are you writing from.
There are a lot of possibilities and definite certainties. What's certain is that the bomb was intended to kill or harm Jews and their property. What's also certain that the WALL has prevented quite a few terror actions, the Chinese had the Great Wall and it too served it's purpose of keeping out unwanted invaders. Another certainty is that if the terrorists had kept their distance they might still be alive. Meanwhile, their families and friends are passing our candies in celebration of their demise.
Since Rice represents a government which is dedicated in fact, not words, to forcing the Palestinians out of the West Bank, she gets the red carpet treatment. No embarrassing incidents. Quite different than Mubarak.
Moe, can't you understand tht the Pali's shouldn't be firing those Kassam's in violation of that farce of a truce? You expect Israel to respect a non-existent truce while the Pali's don't.
The IDF commander's call to curb the Army's raids in the West Bank while Rice is encouraging peace negotiations is indictive of how the Israeli government and Army relies on routine vio- lence against the Palestinians in the West Bank to justify their brutal and unlawful aggression and expansionist policies in the territories. Dutch
At the present time, an official cease fire prevails in Gaza, but the IDF refuses to extend it to the West Bank while the Pals want this extension. The IDF has an advantage in the West bank; it can go anywhere, even into the heart of Ramallah (the Capital of the PA, and area A of course). While all terror organizations have agreed to the cease fire in Gaza (although the details of the agreement were not published), they ought to cease fire in Gaza even when attacked in the West Bank. But this goes against human nature. Since they have their best resources in Gaza, they respond from Gaza to attacks in WB. We hear almost daily about Qassams fired from Gaza. In today there was the event near the Gaza fence. Israel should at least be aware of the results of this policy. To me it seems that the West Bank can be better isolated than Gaza since its access to the outside world may be blocked on every side while Gaza is supplied through tunnels from Egypt. Hence an extension of the cease fire is not a dangerous idea. The alternative is to continue carrying out such raids as in Ramallah. But every such raid makes a mockery of Abbas' power. He can't even defend his capital city, and has so little influence that Israel doesn't think twice of invading for the purpose of catching a "small potato" (as the report said).
one phone call and she'll get all the bomblets and depleted uranium weapons she wants , after 2 months Syria and Iran won't look the same , and bye bye US Baker baked plan , and there you'll have before his end term US Bush going up big time in history ,
You MA CHERIE are not a bracha maybe a curse. I am tired of you telling the Jews and Israelis about your appeasing solutions. Nothing redeaming abut you or your ideas.
Zillions times , yet US forces didn't stop for a sec their duty , big deal US Condi is here , IDF still has his duty 24/7, may be she'll be pleased watching Peretz or Livni crawling in an IDF boot camp, beside its cold in Washington ,with a handy cellphone she should take her time checking out the weather in the dead or red sea , IDF should take her away from these old boring meetings and out in an F-16 or apachie show her the good stuff around ,she may like that , she even may apply for Israel DM job , she likes retrieve her sleeves up , She'll for sure divide Gaza in ten ,send terror PLO to hell , she may like the adrenaline and take a swift turn against Syria , ect...
Lives of Israelis is the Highest priority of the State. CONDI's satisfaction is the LOWEST PRIORITY. Don't mix SECURITY and DIPLOMACY.
We in Israel are outraged that Olmert has the audacity to put our lives in danger by letting up even temorarily on destroying the evil savages who target Jewish children. Why should the Rice visit change a thing? We should be increasing the pressure on these vile murderers and those who send them. Most of us in Israel hope and pray that the present government will fall quickly, and be replaced by a government that values the lives of its citizens and will have the courage to build up the entire land of Israel.
Tzfonit/Bracha is an ONE STATE Solution Advocate with the Arab right of return . She advocates a Muslim State instead of Israel. Is that your idea of a person with common sense?
THE ISRAELI BORDER REMAINS THAT OF 1922 MANDATE AFTER TRANSJORDAN WAS STOLEN ,A BORDER IS ONLY EVER BETWEEN SOVEREIGN STATES THE FENCE IS BUILT IN ITS OWN BACKYARD
the fense should also be used as security for the palestines too, it appears that the jew settlers have free roaming of palestine land. yet you only hear that the idf and settlers have the right to defend themselves. it is sad that when you roam around on your own territory you get shot (this article does not prove to me that anyone was carrying anything, other than the voice of the idf)but yet the settlers can stand at the fense and hound the palestines as if they were animals. we dont hear that the palestines are also manning the fense, for terrorist who cross over to do them harm. it is all about the poor israei defenseless people. makes you wanna scream. idf curbs raids, as if the USA politicans werent aware of the horrors bestowed upon the palestine people DAILY for YEARS
Whenever there is a foreign visitor the political leadership needs to lock away the IDF combat dogs out of (justified) concern they go wild, causing embarassment or worse. Maybe there should be more visits, or better, throw away the keys.
Sounds like there is someone with some common sense. I do believe they went into that exact mode with an agreement last year, couple of months ago, and Hamas, or Islamic Jihad, or some other group, didn't live up to the cease fire. Abbas seems to be trying and so does Isrel. But all th militias and other groups will not honor their decisions. I still think shooting guns in the air cause some of the civilian casualties. What goes up must come down. THAT is one stupid way to act in a crowd of people.
Why bother. She already knows of the Israeli sponsored terrorist activities!
You have to admit, there is wrong on both sides. If you can't, then you have your own bias as well. And disproportionate violence is not an argument. All points of view should be welcome and discussed. How does one come to an honest conclusion if all are not heard.
There is a good possibility the "13" year old would not have been killed if they were not being used a suicide bombers by their parents. It is a well documented fact that this has happened frequently in the past. I remember another little girl killed last year. 5 years old. She had been taken to a training camp by her father. There was a cache of arms and explosives involved smuggled in to Gaza.
READ US ARMY SOLDIERS CONVICTED OF OFFENCES IN RECENT TIMES
You must know that the true Palestinian agenda is Israeli destruction.Our military actions have no bearing other than protection against their sworn commitment to destroy us.If we were to stop,then our citizens will then surely suffer.These terrorist must NOT EVER be allowed to carry on unopposed.Peace with us has never been their goal.
Curious, really. Why doesn't this man post under his own name, then he and I could become pals? His sentiments, in this instance, are very similar to mine. Normally what Fake Clickfool does is to add a racist, obviously anti-semitic or a barmy twist to a pastiche of my style so that he can then respond indignantly to it under his own name.
If we can stop military actions in the West Bank while Ms. Rice is here without jeopardizing security, why can't we stop them permanantly? Hamas claims to be firing rockets on Sderot as reprisal for IDF actions in the West Bank and for expanding settlements. If we stopped those military actions permanantly and stopped expanding settlements, Hamas would be hard put to justify their rocket fire. A good first step, therefore, would be for Israel to stop military actions on all fronts and expansion of settlements for a designated period in exchange for Hamas stopping rocket fire. We haven't given that a try for any length of time yet because a Hudna has to include both fronts - Gaza and the WEst Bank. Let's see if both sides can really stop all hostilities at once. Here's the deal: simultaneously: WE stop all military action and expanding settlements. THEY stop all hostilities. Just designate a date and time period and do it.
1. The "political class" in Israel, as you refer to it, is what Israelis elect, all Israelis, and they have elected into office a government that opted to get completely out of Gaza Strip, which it did, and a government that announced ahead of time that it wanted to get out of Judea and Samaria shortly after, which it did not only due to objective circumstances, also recognized by the overwhelming majority of Israelis, i.e. Lebanon war and Hamas's reaction to Israel's pull-out of Gaza. 2. The Palestinian Arabs, however, have voted into office a year ago a Hamas government that has announced and continue to announce all along their aim of the elimination of the Jewish state of Israel. This is the reality, and not the wishful thinking of "progressives" abroad who will not pay with their lives, as we Israelis would, for the wrong decisions made in our coutry.
IDF is willing to compromise the security of Israel, just to please Rice during her visit! What about security? What about fighting terrorism and protecting the citizens of Israel? Maybe Rice should visit the region frequently, or permenantly, and IDF will cease all its operations.
"I have to wonder what your reaction would have been had a bomb gone off inside an Israeli cafe" There's nothing to wonder about. It's clear from his posts that our little Guy is an Arab and he believes in the murder of innocent Jewish civilians. Thankfully in most cases the IDF kills the savages before they succeed in their heroic murder of Jewish children.
By and large, I agree with you but you are you and you are not a member of the political class in Israel who pursue entirely different goals. The same is valid for the Pals: while the vast majority wants nothing but a decent life and would - once liberated - have no problem with Israel, their radical leaders have always had other views: Arafat never wanted an own state and Hamas is blinded by religious fantasies. These predicaments on both sides are not likely to come to an end in the near future.
I am disappointed, Clickfool. I thought you have already given up your bad-mouthing of the "Zionist state", after you have written that you accepted the right of Israel (the Zionist state) to exist, so just let them exist.
I have to wonder what your reaction would have been had a bomb gone off inside an Israeli cafe or bus. Many Israelis did believe that Saddam was going to attack. You could tell they carried cardboard boxes with gasmasks everywhere. We are a paranoid people, but we have some reason to be.
Well perhaps it's because of the reality of ACTUALLY living here,but you wouldn't know anything about that would you? And it wouldn't have been the 1st time Saddam fired at Israel,you wouldn't be so quick to mouth off so ignorantly if you weren't protected from terror by such a vast ocean.
"Its so simple for anything that happens in Palestine..." Sorry Guy. No such thing as Palestine. Wrong again. As usual.
... over the years all that I can, from here, from our homeland and not from compfortable Europe, to advance a peaceful coexistence with our neighbors, the Arabs of Eretz Israel/Palestine. If peaceful coexistence means the self-administration of a Palestinian Arab political entity, e.g. state, so be it, as has been the result of the Oslo agreements, of course, in collaboration with the neighbors of such an entity, that is Egypt, Israel and Jordan. The predicament is, however, that the Palestinian Arabs, by and large, still have not internalized the fact that we, Jews, also have the right to self-determination within our historic homeland, and still see the existence of Israel as a passing period that will come to an end, possibly through the use of force on their part. Therefore, I suggest you ask them, do they recognize our right to be, to have a nation-state, and do not be satisfied with an answer "Israel already exists, hence we recognize this fact".
I am thinking. It is you who is presenting only one version of the story and expecting people to just eat it up with no proof offered. I bet you believed Bush and Natanyahoo when they were saying Iraq was going to attack America and Israel with WMD's too. Its so simple for anything that happens in Palestine to be explained away with a simple Militant or terrorist tag to be used. No questions asked. I think there should be International monitors placed on that wall as well to make sure everything is on the up and up.
Nadav, Nadav it is almost touching how naive you are. Do you really believe that - after peace has broken out - Israel will allow the Pals to run their own state and to wholly own the water sources in the now occupied territories which now provide 65% of Israels water consumption?
Oh and where is your proof, al jazzera?!?!?!? I dunno the gaza times or the Dumasscus times perhaps. Is it possible that an experienced terrorist was showing a newbie the ropes???
Where, pray tell, does the omnipotent, omnipresent, know all and see all Mr. Clickfool get his information?
Im sure the 'farmer' & the 'student' were simply studing agriculture,when they decided to offer the IDF a goodwill basket of fruits & vegtables...get over it!! It must truly pain you to ever admit that there's such a thing as Palestinian terror.
"IDF troops late Sunday killed two Palestinian militants approaching the Gaza Strip security fence carrying explosives." One of the victims was a farmer and the second wasa 17 year old student. There is absolutely validity to the bogus claim that these individuals were carrying "explosives". This is the latest example of Zionist State sponsored terrorism.
Raids , BS , Would Abbas this supposedely PA chairman have curbed pals terror operations during Rice visit, hell no , same as Siniora with hezbollah he would have denied any responsability , this PA chairman chief warden over Gaza just know to begg money and repeat Egypt orders , give him this and that with permanent borders , same as Siniora violate UN 1559 & 1701 , both Mubarak and Abbas violate 2005 US brokered Gaza understandings security expectations , let know US Bush & Rice that IDF raids proceed , for sure " they would understand " , allek gema' the raids store ,
"In this democracy we gather proof and present the evidence." Do you mean the same type of proof & evidence your president had for the war in Iraq? Would you be so naive as to say the explosives like those found in the west bank this week could be used for anything else besides terror? Think.
"It seems to me that you either support terrorism, fund terrorism, or demented. Who in their right mind would go through the risk of coming near a border with explosives to blow a hole in the ground? Next thing you know terrorists are going to say, "I wasnt going to use this on the bus, im just trying to transport my science project back home"." You strike me as being a rabidly blind zionist supporter. I would even go as far as to say you believed the IAF strafed and attacked the USS Liberty killing 34 US servicemen for over several hours and considered it an accident conveniently as well. Sorry as much as I know even though you live in the USA and hold Israel in a more elevated light then your own homeland...I don't. In this democracy we gather proof and present the evidence. The assumptions given are insufficient and inconclusive. My guess is just as good as theirs.
I see the money smuggled from Iran to Gaza is going to "humanitarian" causes Hanieh is screaming about. "Starving Gaza kids" and "paying the teachers and the nurses." Iranian stooges are continuing to do their bidding for them.
IDF have been known to murder helpless people before and then plant evidence afterwards. I've seen video where they shot a man in cold blood who had given up and threw a gun right next to him not knowing they were on film. My science fiction is just as palusible as your soldiers of fantasy and fiction. Show some proof next time, like security footage. Otherwise its just heresay after they just murdered a 13 year old girl for just going near the fence. With all the negative attention Israel has gotten I would not be surprised if this is just another murder and evidence was planted. Its about time that we started questioning things like this instead of just taking the Israeli governments word on everything just by using the word "terrorist" or "militant".
It seems to me that you either support terrorism, fund terrorism, or demented. Who in their right mind would go through the risk of coming near a border with explosives to blow a hole in the ground? Next thing you know terrorists are going to say, "I wasnt going to use this on the bus, im just trying to transport my science project back home".
Dear guy from NY, why don't you go write science fiction? my suggestion, add afourth possibility, they were on their way to the closest Israeli school to put up asome fireworks and gaive children flowers. Possibilities are endless, which ones are more probable?
Twisted would be murders.They got what they deserved.
Dear Johnboy, will u please wake up. "Your backyard", is just a perception, which is wrong to begin with. where do u think your backyard ends, and your neighbor's start? do u recognize a neigbor? equal to u not under u? they have a backyard too, u know. it is a backyard with 4000 years documented history. do u recognize that backyard? and please not that old bs of "let's first ....", just yes or no. Simple isn't it?
...eliminate the Jewish state and murder its Jewish population. Attempts to do the above must be firm, or as we say in Hebrew: haba l'horgechah, hashkem l'horgo (he who comes to kill you, wake up and kill him ahead of time). My suggestion to our neighbors: simply accept our right to exist along side you in peace which will not force us to kill anyone and will enable you to live in peace and prosperity. In other words, let us try to think in terms of peaceful coexistence.
You are a helluva guy - you must be like Moe #1 a helluva shmoe. Wat apartheid k_k praat jy van?
Moe must be "shmoe". Back to school for him to learn to wread and rite. English has such funny spelling!
Howdy Johnboy; The security barrier around the Gaza Strip is at least 40 Km. from the nearest point within the West Bank. The incident occured in the Gaza Strip and not in the West Bank unless this article really blew it. Besides, the border between Israel and the West Bank has nor been determined yet.
- You write: "....fence is built *inside* the West Bank, not along the Israeli border, Vittorio.." - Please read the title, John-Boy: "...IDF troops kill two Palestinians approaching Gaza security fence..." Do you realize that GAZA is not a part of West Bank? GAZA was completely deserted by Israelis. The FENCE with GAZA is ALONG GAZA BORDER WITH ISRAEL. This fence is not erected on GAZA'S territory. This FENCE separates GAZA and ISRAEL.
Of course since they are dead there is no way to find out what was about to transpire. They say possibly to cross the fence to kill jews, they say possibly to target a patrol of jews, but they never mention another possibility...to blow a hole in that ugly piece of apartheid crap. The last possibility is mine of course but its funny that each of the others was shown only to possibly harm jews. Its strange how we never hear about the outcome of such things to show what kind of explosives they were supposed to be carrying or if possibly the explosion was that of a grenade tossed on the bodies after the fact to make sure they were dead.
iT is not "THEIR LAND", UNTIL A negotiated peace agreement takes place. There NEVER HAS BEEN a country "Palastine". It will exist ONCE the Palastinians can find leaders who will take what they can actually GET and START building a country. At present, you are talking about lands that WERE part of Jordan, which they lost when they attacked Isreal (with the intention of destroying Isreal). It won't BE part of a PALASTINIAN COUNTRY-until ther IS a country called Palastine.
Do you not comprehend what you read? They were crawling to the fence with explosives. IDF shot at them, they blew up and died. Hard to arrest dead people.
Btw, re the photo with the article: what might be the relation between the Bil'in demo and the Gaza shooting?
They don't need encouragement -- on their way they are.
Hey Palestinians, when are you going to get the picture that you are persona non grata in Israel. Stay away from the fence or your families will be extracting your bullet-ridden, martyred bodies out of the concertina wire. Stupid, really stupid!
Who in their right mind goes near the fence. THey know what will happin. No matter how old they ar now they have been taught to kill Jews when younger. DaMn the Pal parents
No argument with that. But this fence is built *inside* the West Bank, not along the Israeli border, Vittorio. "IDF acts properly" - Hmmm. Would you think it right and proper that a policeman shoot you dead because he erected a fence in the middle of your backyard - on your own land - and you approached it?
The first edition of this article stated that the IDF ARRESTED two Palestinians with bombs. Like MOE I was astonished that the IDF had arrested them - *that* didn't sound like the IDF to me. Unlike MOE I didn't post, because it was an early, unconfirmed report. Now, of course, we get the corrected version - the IDF shot them dead. THAT sounds much more believable. But don't attack MOE - blame Haaretz for running an early, unconfirmed report. Coz that was what he was referring to - with some degree of amazement. And understandably so, as it now turns out.
Moe, they were patrolling the fence which is no violation. I do not know who you are talking about when you say "arrested", who got arrested? The first cease-fire violation would have been the Palestinian terrorists who were trying to kill people in Israel, and the soldiers had the right and the obligation to defend Israel. Even if it means going into the fence (which they themselves did not), they have to protect.
Hey Moe again... in order to shoot a couple of bomb wearing terrorist you so love, did you realize you can do that from far away. You don't have to enter Gaza to shoot someone who is about to kill you. That's how guns work. Good luck on the reading skills.
i meant to say IDF killed 2 Palestinians not arrest
Yay.
don't arrest these people eliminate them...good job IDF...oviously MO you are not interested in a peaceful existence for your people...just more misery
"It is not clear if they had planned to cross the fence into Israeli territory or place the explosives next to the fence in order to target an IDF patrol" They were killed when on the Palestinian side of the 'fence'. What if there wasn't that (alleged) large explosion? The trigger happy guards should have waited, observing.
Moe, your post begs a simple question. Can you read? The article relates the killing of two palestinians carrying a bomb. There is no report on the two being arrested. Perhaps you should have someone edit your posts. Thinking before you open your mouth should help.
only you can call killing 2 PALS with bombs a voilation of the truce. just having them with bombs is a violation!! i want abbas to find out where they got the bomb material and for him to arrest all those responsible. of course he wont do that and you will continue blaming israel for everything. if they werent wearing bombs and werent apparoach the fence then IDF would have no reason to kill them. Good job IDF, keep it up.
MOE, perhaps it would be good for you to read the article before posting your response. The word "arrested" did not appear there. Your perceptive skills seem to be deficient.
"the only way for those 2 Palestinians to get arrested if the IDF enter the Palestinian-controlled Gaza Strip which would mean an Israeli violation of the truce" Obviously,it would be preferable for you if those two terrorists were allowed to cross the fence and commit some suicide attack.
Moe!! Read the article again. The shot them, they didn't arrest them.
they didnt get arrested..they were killed..i wonder where u read the word arrested in the article!!!!
I find it sad that instead of working on buliding a independant economy not basied on western or Arab aid inorder to provide a better life for them and there children they focus on buliding better explosives to kill Israelies as if that is supposed to make there lives easier or put food on the table. Golda Meir was right when she said that Israel will have peace when Palestinians care more about the safety of there own children then on killing our children.
Kol haKavod, Chayalim TZAHAL! Saluti, Vittorio
the only way for those 2 Palestinians to get arrested if the IDF enter the Palestinian-controlled Gaza Strip which would mean an Israeli violation of the truce.