IDF: Residents south of Haifa will have one-minute rocket warning
Peretz to declare 'home front emergency'; 8 hurt as Katyusha rockets reach Tiberias, 35 km inside Israel.
By Yuval Azoulay, Amos Harel and Yoav Stern Haaretz Service, AgenciesA senior Israel Defense Forces official said on Saturday evening that should Hezbollah guerillas fire rockets that reach areas south of Haifa, a warning siren will be heard one minute before they land.
The head of the IDF Home Front Command, Yitzhak Gershon, also said that residents of hard-hit areas of the north that have been instructed to remain in protected rooms and bomb shelters should continue to do so and not go to work on Sunday.
The order is relevant to anyone living north of Route 85 between Acre and Amiad, as well as the residents of Carmiel, Tiberias, Migdal, Arbel, Kfar Zeitim, and Kfar Hitim. Gershon also urged residents of Haifa, its northern suburbs, Nesher and Tirat Hacarmel to remain in their homes.
Defense Minister Amir Peretz will sign a declaration on Saturday evening declaring a "home front emergency," after barrages of Hezbollah rockets reached Tiberias, 35 kilometers from the northern border. The declaration will be brought before the government for approval on Sunday.
The approval of declaration allows senior defense officials - including the IDF Chief of Staff, Home Front Command, northern command and other officers - to issue orders relating to the protection and rescue of people and property.
The declaration would be valid in Israel's north, both along the northern border but also in Safed, Tiberias and Carmiel.
In the first of two attacks on Tiberias on Saturday, one of three rockets directly struck a residential building, sustaining damage. The owners of the residence were abroad.
Two rockets landed adjacent to a stadium in Tiberias and near the town's Club Hotel. Six people were lightly injured from rocket shrapnel.
Authorities have asked that bathers on the coast of the Sea of Galilee evacuate the area for fear of further Katyusha attacks.
Early Saturday evening, four more Katyusha rockets struck Tiberias. Magen David Adom rescue services received a report that one of the rockets directly struck a house in the city.
In the second barrage, two people suffered light wounds while two others were treated for shock. A Nahariya resident also sustained light wounds when a rocket barrage struck the northern city on Saturday evening.
For the first time since the 1991 Persian Gulf War, the IDF has deployed Patriot missile batteries in Haifa.
The missile defense system cannot destroy Katyusha rockets - hundreds of which have been fired at Israel from Lebanon in recent days - but could protect against surface-to-surface missiles, such as those possessed by Syria, the army said.
Additional rockets landed near Tiberias - in Kfar Hitim, Evron, and Abu Snan. One person suffered from shock.
Rockets also landed Carmiel, Hatzor Haglilit, Peki'in, Safed, Nahariya, and Moshav Ben-Ami, in the western Galilee.
Two rockets hit empty homes Carmiel and Safed. Another landed adjacent to Carmiel College, causing a brushfire.
Saturday's rocket strikes came one day after a woman and her 7-year-old grandson were killed and four others were injured when a Katyusha rocket slammed into a home in Moshav Meron. The victims of the strike were named as Yehudit Itzkovich, 57, and her seven-year-old grandson Omer Pesachov.
Early Saturday, dozens of rockets were launched, landing in Nahariya, Safed, Moshav Meron and the northern Golan Heights, causing no casualties or damage.
Israel Defense Forces Chief of Staff Dan Halutz said Friday that Hezbollah has rockets with a range of up to 70 kilometers (43.5 miles) or more, an admission that brings more major cities within their range, including possibly Hadera and Netanya. This would mean that Hezbollah has rockets that could reach within 20 to 30 kilometers of Tel Aviv.
Halutz also put the blame on Lebanon's government for the numerous rocket attacks on northern Israel that have killed four people and injured dozens more.
Dozens of people were injured throughout the day Friday, as Katyusha rockets landed in the Galilee. Injuries were reported in Nahariya, Yesod Hama'alah, Kfar Szold, Kibbutz Hulata, Safed, Peki'in and Hatzor Haglilit. Kiryat Shmona was also hit on Friday, but no casualties were repoted.
The Prime Minister's Office responded to the attacks, saying it was "totally committed to bringing about a cession of this terror."
"These two Israelis, a woman and child, were totally innocent victims of the terror pouring out of Lebanon of which Israel vows to put an end to," David Baker, a spokesperson at the Prime Minister's Office, said.
On Thursday, two Israelis were killed by rocket fire and some 120 were wounded when scores of Katyusha rockets rained down across northern Israel.
Haifa hit by Katyusha for first timeKatyusha rockets struck Haifa, Israel's third-largest city, for the first time Thursday night, and the Home Front Command ordered area residents Friday to stay near bomb shelters so they could go inside as soon as they hear an air-raid siren. There were no casualties in the rocket strike on Haifa's Stella Maris area.
Hezbollah said Friday that Israel should expect an attack on Haifa at any time.
Israeli Ambassador to the U.S. Daniel Ayalon told reporters in Washington that Thursday's rocket attack on Haifa was a "major, major escalation" by Hezbollah.
The rocket fire began in the early hours of Thursday, after Israel Air Force jets struck targets across Lebanon following cross-border attacks by Hezbollah during which eight Israel Defense Forces soldiers were killed and two others abducted.
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The residential building in Tiberias which suffered a direct hit from a Katyusha on Saturday. (Tomer Appelbaum/BauBau) |
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You're being immature.. Saying that Hezbollah should put those soldiers in any area where they would be killed by Israeli fire is stupid. Hezbollah would still be held accountable, and if you think what is going on now is bad, or even remotely bad, well if either one of those Israelis dies, there will be severe hell to pay.
Blind, you need to read your history, it's usually the stronger party that wins. If you allow someone to step on you once, they will continue to do so until they either destroy you or control your interests. If Israel does not defend itself, it will not survive. So terrorists go in and take one soldier here and two there and it would just escalate if the government sat back and did nothing.
I'm a Spaniard and the general opinion among all people I know here is that Israel is being extremely violent in its acts. Although the general overview situation is complex and Israel has its own right to defense and fight agaisnt terrorism, I believe that many innocent civilians are diying in Lebanon (and also in Israel). Is all this general suffering justified just beacause a few israeli soldiers have being taken (which is no goog of course) OR maybe is Israel making profit of this excuse to make a bigger miltary operation. I think most european people understand that israel need to sefprotect against islamic terrorists, but we also believe is not fair to respond with so much violence and civilian causalties.
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Hi Jeff, Excellent analysis from the historical perspective that supersedes the political standpoint. The longest empire was Rome1 which lasted 1228 years followed by Rome2 - the Byzantine empire - which lasted 1123 years. Its successor the Ottoman empire lasted half that time. Some empires just vanished (Austro-Hungarian empire, Ottoman empire). The former Holy Roman Empire was formaly buried by Napoleon in 1805 only to come back as the German Reich. Empires change identities like individuals or corporations do. However you are perfectly right regarding the world of Islam. It will go downhill even farther before being reborn to the great culture that characterized the Near East in the 800-1200 AD period.
I cannot say that I am a devout muslim or one hugely enlightened on the history of the middle east conflict... While the word 'Islam' itself means 'Peace' or 'Surrender' the firing of katyusha rockets on civilian targets could surely be considered to be barbaric... but wht abt the scenario that caused this escalation? in the middle east let it be iraq, palestine or lebanon arab casualties are usually ten times those of Israel. Reason? Superior armoury of Israel supported by know how and hardware from the United States. Surely the Koran acknowledges the Jewish Holy Books and their Prophets but when the Jewish state engages in unprovoked and disproportionate use of military force on civilian targets wht better response can u expect? This alienates moderate Islam and creates opportunity for extremism to take up popular support... Jerusalem in ancient times belonged to both the Muslims, the Jews and the Christians. So why should it today be only part of Israel and not belong to all faiths?
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Your fury and frustration are understandable. Remember, though, that Hizbolla, like other Arab terrorist groups, like to work from civilian areas. That leaves Israel with no choices either than to strike them where they are and hope the civilians will throw them out, or just sit back and continue to be attacked.
Miss, reply to your message. change your note to palestine. what would you do if they keeping attacking palestine since last 40 years? they were 4 or 5 bombs which together killed 300people. What about lebanese? millions of people dies since 40 years ago. Again use your common sense. Let me tell you god is up there, he is seeing everything. Trust me its god bless to muslim country to be lead of the world. 1/3 of the world are muslim. Think!!
You guys better think, if israel begin the war with syria and iran does not sit down and watch his friend dying front of his eyes, so in that case iran will decide to come front aswell. First of all, israel will be in trouble, because 3 evils are together 1.IRAN 2. Syria 3.hezbulla then, oil prices will go up to $200. In that case you guys have to have bread with milk for a dinner or not drive once a year in your life. the petrol prices will to up to $6 per gallon. What do you think about it?
A few troops are captured and Israel goes on killing so many innocent civilians, bombing cities and destroying public facilities from power to waterworks. How can we not show our care about this. "The Arab states must rise and stop sitting silent when their neighbours are being annihilated. Are there no more men in that region who dare to stand up against Israel?"
"All these rockets came from your territory. How should we feel about it?" Now, over 100, yes ONE HUNDRED of our civilians have been murdered, only TWO of them Lebanese soldiers (not even Hizbullah guerillas). Over 250 others have been wounded in your country's murderous rampage. How should WE feel about that? You think you're accomplishing your mission of destroying Hizbullah by destroying Lebanese Army bases and making this country unstable? You're only helping Hizbullah and you'd be insane to support this offensive against our civilians. Congratulations, you're able to hurt innocent people from the air. You must be proud of your country.
rockets, missiles, dirty bombs if not nuclear, more than 30 suitcase bombs missing from former russia colonies, where are they now? it's not hard to imagine...
I agree, and only Israel has the strength and the true God to defeat them. Having said that I believe the new covenant means we lay down our arms and lean war no more, and this can only be possible through real faith , we must believe there is a God who protects us. So this does away with all cowards and murderers
After killing 70 million Persians and poisoning 50 to 100 million Indians, will you sleep better? What would you do with the other 3/4 billion muslims? And how about everybody else like the Chinese and the Russians and the other civilized nations? Nuke them too?
I cannot give you a serious answer. Hewever, tonite on Fox News, one of their "terrorism" experts says that they are really Iranians. They are stronger and better organized than al Qaida. They have thousands of sleeper cells all over the US, North and South America. They will arise to sow terror as soon as Iran is attacked. Better check under your bed tonight.
Reinvade Lebanon, disarm Hezbolah and create a buffer zone between Israel and Lebanon.
"I wonder what they are worried about that would require a Patriot. The RCS of a katyushka is too small, and it`s not within the Patriot`s intercept envelope long enough. Either this is just for show, or someone is worried about a much larger and longer ranged rocket." - Mark Lincoln It's to defend against the retaliatory strikes from Syria after the bombing of Damascus starts.
IF the hezbollah had such rockets they would use them. Maybe they've had a few...but apparently not many.
Who was the wit at Haaretz who praised Nasralla for his restraint (only a couple of weeks ago)? My comment then didn't pass the censors although all it said was that "We can celebrate until the missles start raining down". Well now the missles ARE raining down, so I ask Haaretz editorial staff to show a little remorse and at least own up to their stupidity. As it turns our Israel doesn't have a real technological answers to these short range missles, that they cause real damage and fear to the people in the North when used, and that Hizbolla has no problem in using them when it suits their purposes. By most counts they have another 10,000 or so missles ready to go. We will have at least two weeks of down time in the North, economic ruin, and still no resolution. Ehud and the Four Mothers should be hung from a cage from the center of Naharia.
what I don't understand is why isn't lebanese army fighting back Israel???Do lebanon even have an army???? Is it a defense less state???cant even protect its own citizens from bombings from sky and sea.
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At this terrible time, my thoughts and certainly those of my kehilla in North London are with the people of Israel. I recently returned from a year of studying and volunteering there, and my heart goes out to all Israelis at this time- espicially the citizens of Karmiel, where I lived and worked for two months. The Jews of London are with you.
You Jewish , u think u will destroy our country, always remember that although you have crucified our God and Christ Jesus, he resuructed after 3 days, and LEBANON WILL ALSO RESURUCT ONLY 3 DAYS AFTER U STOP YOUR ASSAULT. you think you r strong you and your american allies??? u use the american planes to strike us??? come down on the ground and we will show you what the Cana country can do...
Hezbollah is ruining the lives of the Lebanese, placing them directly in front of danger. With backing and support of Syria and Iran, it really can't survive for too long once Israel is right in there. I hope Israel blows up all the integral infurstructure of this disgusting inhumane terrorist entity. Syria and Iran need a good kick in the ass as well. It won't be too long until the residents of Nahariya and Kiryat Shmona are back on the streets enjoying themselves.
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Ok. Enuf. We know you are mandated - by a neurotic complex - to side with Israel and justify Israeli terrorism, at least publicly. What Israel has committed in Palestine and Lebanon over hte past two weeks is beyond reprehensible, completely unjustifiable. Your attempts to pulverize Palestinian pride will ultimately backfire, not just on Israel, but also here. We have already had 9/11 courtesy of Sharon, Rabin, Barak, Peres etc... We have had enough too of your incitements to Islamic terrorism and your sorry attempts to blame Palestinians for it.
who started it then
Don't hold your breath. Iran will become a desert before Jerusalem becomes Muslim.
How should you feel about it? How do you feel about the deliberate damage to civilian infrastructure and the 73 deaths attributed to Israel's more lethal and more frequent strikes on Lebanon? What you should do is encourage your country's leaders to quickly arrange a cease fire and stop the killing. More than likley Israelis won't care a bit to stop until they suffer what their victims in the West Bank, Gaza and Lebanon are suffering.Revenge is your response to everything. The fate of the Israeli soldiers captured are not even remotely considered in this horrific attempt at payback.
4 days of strikes and nothing accomplished: more rockets landing, soldiers still in captivity, Nasrallah and the whole Huzb Allah leadership alive, just empty bridges and runways and ports destroyed... Let's keep track day to day this campaign will achieve nothing.
What other country besides Israel is criticized for defending itself from terrorists? It is simple but politics make it complex. Arab governments want Israel out. Some (Hamas) don't even hide this goal. The fact that the rest of the world (including UN) avoids admitting this (& criticizes Israel) is gross and dates back through time. None of this is new. Jews are hated throughout the world and when they voice this, they are called "paranoid." Well, better paranoid than dead.
One very good thing has emerged from the current 'war': Israel underestimated the range and accuracy of Hizbollah's weapons. Now they know, and they know too that if they had sat around for another 5 years there could have been existential danger. So Israel must finish off Hizbollah and all their weaponry now. And the next step - Iran. Only the blind cannot see that if, and when, Iran acquires nuclear technology, they will take Israel out. Those hundreds of rockets raining down in the North of Israel will be replaced by just one bomb, and that will be the end.
Please understand - people have to fight sometimes for their country. Getting rid of the syrians was a great start, you have to continue. It's not enough to say "we can't do nothing against hizbulla", if you want an independent country you have to fight to take it back from Syria, Iran, hizbullah and all the other terrorrists that hold YOU hostage. Start doing that and you'll have a partner in Israel. Remember the late 70's when the south border was called the "good fence". While Israel has no fight with Lebanon proper, it cannot accept that terrorists are roaming free there and use it as a basis for attacks. Jordan and Egypt understand this and take efforts to prevent cross-border terror operations and keep the border quiet.
Walter: You ask the reasons for the conflicts in the Middle East. It is simple: Ignorance and hatred. Arab governments spew and have spewed hate and vicious lies about Jews to their people for decades. Many of the Arabs have terrible standards of living and live in backward countries lacking freedoms that you and I enjoy. So they latch onto this propoganda of ignorance and hate. The Arab governments keep fomenting this so their leaders can stay in power. These are the reaons, in a nutshell, for the conflicts in the Middle East: Arab governments fomenting lies, hatred of Jews, and ignorant portrayals of Jews and of Israel.
We support Israel's military decisions and responses in Gaza and in Lebanon 1000%. We pray for the safety of all IDF soldiers and all of Israel's citizens. Most of the world and the UN, except for the USA, is ignorant in their reactions to the unending threats of terror and terror perpetrated by the Arab extremists on Israel. These countries only think of their economic stake and dependence on Arabs for oil. I urge Israel to do what it has to do and to ignore these ignorant selfish countries.
Bobby, If it was deliberate, and they were civilians, every sane Jew in the world would want them held responsible for war crimes.
Dear NeoCons. One fact has only one solution. All those imported before and after 1948 should go back to European countries, Russia, America, etc. All original Palestinians driven from their homes should also be allowed to return. Dismantle the racist regime formed after 1948. Resolutions 194, 242 and 338 should be implimented, For the last 60 years you have existed with wars and weapons. One day soon there will be no America to hand you with over 40 billion US dollars. The US shall realise soon that you arer a burden, financially and militarily. You can not fool and blackmail all nations of the world any more. Most of you are psycopaths, thirsty for blood and killing. A new era has arrived. The US has spread its hegemony wings too far. Just read: THE ISRAEL LOBBY and Judt's: THE COUNTRY THAT WON'T GROW UP! Please leave to your original countries. There it is more modern. The Middle East had proven too inhabitable for your advanced ideas and idoelogies.
Israel is democracy if you have ever watched their politics they elect new offials faster than anyone I have seen. They do have freedom of the press unlike most of their neighbours. Israel has tried many times to work with even the palastinians in fact until hamas came to power they gave the palastinian government money. But they have a problem their neigbours want them dead, I wonder how many Billions of dollars the world gave Yasser Arafat? where did that money go to the palastinian people? it does not look like it. In fact it appears a very large part of the money was spent to destroy Israel. I wonder what palastine would have looked like if that money was used to build instead of used to destroy. I wonder how beautiful the place would have looked?
But how long (centuries) did you suffer when Spain threw you out?
America supports you!
I am praying for Israel. May G-d bless the Israelis and protect them. Israel will defeat its enemies.
Howdy Ludvig; Israel is a democracy because she has a parliametary system of government and regularly schedualed elections. I am not aware of any Israel laws which discriminate on the basis religion, race, ethnicity, sex, etc. except for the draft which exempts Israeli Christians and Muslims from mandatory service in the IDF. Israel is no longer the only democracy in the Middle East since Iraq is now one too. The mere fact that a country is a democracy does not oblige that country to extend the same rights that it grants its citizens to foreigners nor does it imply that the government must need be "liberal" in order to be valid. The "war and the unrest in the region" is due to the repeated attempts by the Islamofascists to destroy the State of Israel regardless of what kind of government she has. How are things up there in Sweden? Is your Muslim population demanding that Muslim communities be exempt from Swedish law and that Sharia law should apply instead?
How do you dare talking about Islam and Muslims that way when your barbaric ancestors have killed almost all the Native American to leave the land you're living in ? How do you dare talking about this tremendous civilisation when your savage ancestors have been killing, rapting, robbing every single people on every continent including Jews. Genocides, slavery, misery and humiliation for five centuries and you're still opening your mouth. You're the last people allowed to talk on Earth. No other people has behaved as badly as you and we, Muslims, have done mistakes in the past but compared to you we're just babies. This is just the beginning, you wait and see. Nobody will be left without paying the exact amount of his mistakes. NOBODY. This is a Muslim promise.
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Dear OBSERVER, it looks as if one can make peace with you. Hamas and Djihad are under your control? So have them stop firing rockets as prove of your power! Let*s make them good farmers. Michael
I am sad that the great State of Israel has been attacked and lost solider to terrorists, but the great Israelis are helping the USA fight the war on terror- right now. The death of Hamas n Hezbollah will be a holiday. I think that the US, my hometown, should stop being so wimpy n liberal. We need to turn up the heat. If I was Bush I would lay down the law w/ Iran- n if they don't comply, take them out with nuclear bombs. The Radical Islams would see the LIGHT.
In my view, the Lebanon campaign is justified if it is geared to destroy Hezbolah and to create better conditions in order to resume negotiations with the moderate palestinians. Sacrifices must be made and a final settlement should be reached on terms similar to the Geneva and Clinton plans.
Hit at Hezbollah if you must. But when a convoy of civilians fleeing their homes gets killed - if that was deliberate, I hope however was responsible gets tried for warcrimes.
you world forget one important fact: we are still the chosen people of G-d and he will surely help us against all our enemies. just an example: all the israeli wars against their enemies. what about the 6 day war? no weapon will be able to wipe the jewish nation out. we will always remain to excist. start live with this fact! it will save you a lot of lifes.
Howdy Ladies and Gentlemen; Who is Hezbollah exactly? I have heard that they are primarily Lebanese Shiite Muslims, but I have also heard that Hezbollah recruits most of its members from Palestinian refugee camps. My problem is that the Palestinian refugees and their descendants have been denied citizenship in Lebanon and are, therefore, stateless persons and not Lebanese. Also, most Palestinians are Sunnis not Shiites. There's a contradiction here somewhere since both versions can't possibly be simultaneously correct.
Lebanon used to be the only Arab democracy and a prosperous country. It was called the Arab Switzerland. The PLO destroyed it all, first on its own, then with the Syrians help. You now have Hizbollah , an iranian sponsored terrorist group which wants to impose the sharia law
Israel gave citizenship rights to the palestitians who did not flee to arab counntries during the war. These people live much better lives that they could even dream of if they were in an arab nation. Do you want to know who is being a natzi to the palestinians? the other arab nations, that's who. God have mercy on the poor palestinian who lives in an arab nation, with no rights. How come you don't hear about this on the news? Before the anifada, israel did alot to try to help the people in gaza. The bottom line is: if you try to kill us, you will suffer, beucase we will defend ouselves. You want to be a happy arab? stop hating israel, stop trying to kill jews. Is that too much to ask for? live and let live. The palestinians try to look miserable in the eyes of the world on purpose. There was evena point where israel built buildings for the paleastinians to improve their quality of life, and they destroyed these gift so that they could look miserable when un inspectors came
It's no coincidence that the Iranian Revolutionary Guard are in Syria and Lebanon, with Iranian Security Advisor, Ali Larijani giving the orders from Damascus. Iran, Syria and Hizbollah started this war, which obviously took a lot of planning. Lebanon allowed Hizbollah to run the shouth of the country and now they must all face the consequences. Neither Syria nor Iran have played their hand openly so far, but the time will come. Israel will prevail and kick out all the Arab traitors in the Knesset who have called for the destruction of the little country.
WE DID NOT START IT
It's great to see a country like Israel taking appropriate action against an evil organization which no one else in the world seems to have the guts to challenge or defeat. I am praying for their success and for peace at the same time. They don't care about world opinion, but rather do what is right!
That jet fuel sale approval is conditional on Congressional disapproval and on US needs. We have 15,000 to 25,000 citizens to evacuate by air. Not all of the fuel may be available. Remember our refinery capacity is down due to Katrina and usage is up due to Iraq, Afghanistan, and Korea.
Stephen Murray who shares a prostitutes bed has taken some time out to write a few hateful letters and has noticed some new skin eruptions in his crotch area. He won't let that deter him from carrying on until the end.
So your measure of morality and raison d'etre is that because others do evil , therfore it is OK for you to do evil...What kind of BS logic is that?????
idiots that quote the bible to solve todays problems of conflict in the ME are the ones who are the obstacle to peace. The bible was written by Jews ( some belive it was inspired by GOD) to engrandize jewish history. Dishonest people always blame it on God whever they justify their evil deeds. If a woman gets pregnant , they blame it on God's will. GOD had nothing to do with it. Two idiots laying bed caused this pregnancy.....
and you know that cos you work for the intelligence forces right?
Although our government seems against Israel nowadays, myself and many other Turks support Israel's actions against terrorism. You cannot reason with terrorists, therefore Israel should clean up the problem from the very root of itself. If the Lebanese have not been harboring terrorists so far, their country would not be in ruins right now.
Dear Lebanese Unknown Hopefully, one day I can travel to Lebanon, see its beauty, enjoy the famous joie du vivre attitude of the Lebanese, go home again, to tell my friends about growing and thriwing tourism, improved economy that addresses underdevelopment and inequality, which would give this country a real chance of fulfilling it potential. Whipping Hezbolla out of Southern Lebanon is one (VERY UNFORTUNATE, INDEED UNDESIREABLE) method, lets hope more Lebanese agree that the best is to be free of the yoke of Syria, and focus on independence, claiming authority over all its territory, now left to be breeding ground for sick warmongers in Syria, Iran and their skirt clad bandits of destruction. I note with great interest that even the Arab League cannot agree on Hezbollah legitimacy, and only demands an UN brokered cease fire. Looks as if the Arab street is uneasy with Hizbollah hi-jacking Arab and Muslem good name and reputation.
The ISlamoNAzis of Hamas, Hozbollah, IRan & Syria have nothing but violence, oil & hatred.... green energy now! support freedom & ISrael - don't take any crap from anyone
Howdy Omar; The rise and fall of empires and nations does not take place over the course of decades but over the course of centuries. The rise and fall is more likely to be associated with power, influence, and learning in the arts and sciences. Just because a country "falls" does not mean that it ceases to exist. For example, both Egypt and China have been around for at least 5,000 years and have gone through several cycles of waxing and waning in global influence. The U.S. is only 230 years old and Israel is only 58 years old. Neither country has yet reached its zenith much less started to go down the other side. The world of Islam went through one cycle already between 632 AD (the death of Mohammed (PBUH) to its zenith in 1571 (the Battle of Lepanto) and has been going downhill ever since. If the only things that the world of Islam can offer civilization anymore are oil and terrorism, then it's going to take a few more centuries for you to ascend again.
I have been reading numerous reponses, and every single one I have read from anti-israel demonstrators have been so childish. I don't understand how people like you, think your way is right, and Israel is nothing but inhumane killers. How many years have we had to always had our eyes behind us, to make sure one of your lunatic terrorists don't come to blow up a market or a bus?? How long has it been that we have lived in fear?? But Not this time......You guys will feel the rath of the Israeli's. All the Arabs against the Jewish nation, all the Europeans against the Jewish Nation will see how Israel will rise, and show the world, Don't ever, ever judge a book by it's cover. A country of resources, technology and business entreprenueral ventures. Believe me, Your scared, you don't have the guts to go against Israel. Because we all know what happened throughout history between us!!!!
Ppl all over the world always believe your lies and defend your terrorism in the name of fake democraci and peace.From now on,no victory for Israel in our land. What ever the technology you have;your warships,your aircrafts,your helicopters,your offence forces,your missiles, and all your terrorit operations will make us stronger and stronger.We won't beg you to stop striking our infrastructure,we won't beg you to stop killing our ppl and our children we won't beg you to leave our occupied land,keep on going israel with murders and assassinatios keep on going Israel with killing and destruction but wait! wait Israel the end of your fake country "Israel" will start to vanish.......You build Israel by killing palastinian the same way America killed million of indians but we are not indians.It's our land stupids and your terrorism will destroy you.
Yoel Marcus was 100% correct when he said both Hamas and Hizbullah caught Israel with its pants down. As Yoel Marcus said, Gen.Dan Halutz should be hiding in the underground war room at Ha Kiryah for letting our army take such a beating. Now Silkworm missiles are decimating our Navy and soon Strela missiles will start knocking down Israeli helicopters. A ground invasion of Lebanon is what Hizbullah wants for they will give our IDF a beating like no beating it has ever suffered before. Get rid of our Lebanon Loser generals. Halutz proved his incompetence when he was in charge of the day to day running of our air campaign against Lebanon from 1995-2000 when Hizbullah ran us out.
it is not religion fight it is fight for right it is lebanon right and arab right to take their land look at the history you basters you did stole our land 50 years ago
Hate me if you will, but the truth is.... Israel was created through TERRORISM AND LAND CONFISCATION! LOOK IT UP SMART1! Thank Begin- shemir and the stern gangs and every other zionist gang for bringing terrorism to the middle east.
Are you talking about pressure and being worried if a rocket would hit you? Your kidding me right? Do you not see the irony? palestinians everyday have to live there lives in fear(however most are used to it and fear none other than god), they have to watch out wherever they go- constantly there are f16s in the air, and at anytime Israel could target any vehicle and whoever is near it would blast 2 peices. Have you forgotten that? If you have it happens about everyday so theres time for you to remember.. In Lebanon People do not whats going on- at anytime they can become another victim of Israels terror-55 killed in 1 day man! Even Barak said "How is killing innocents and bombing there airport helping?"
BE STRONG ISRAEL........WE ARE WITH YOU
You have to look at this in the context of the last 50 years. Israels and its enemies need to find a total political solution that includes all sides of the conflict(leaving no one out) or we'll be talking about this 10 years from now and by then it might be too late to prevent total destruction of both sides. The longer we let this simmer the worst its going to get.
Why do you think all the Arab world is so against the Palestinians? They are blood of their blood. I would have thought that they would have fitted in very well, understanding each others' mentality. Is there something in the Palestinian way of behaving that antagonises the Lebanese?
I live in the U.S. and Jessica said it succintly: "It seems quite clear to me, Israel is under constant attack, and Lebanon is unwilling to put a stop to these attacks, and therefore offers the attackers indirect support. If Al-Qaeda were allowed to operate in Mexico, and throw rockets across the border to attack San Diego on a regular basis, what do you think would happen? Or if the French were letting terrorists operate in their country to bomb Dover? Israel cannot afford to do nothing, and Lebanon`s government is responsible for what goes on in its country." Why is the Lebanese government asking for a cease fire. Why are they not instead asking for UN troops to weed out Hezbollah so they can have a permanent peace? If they are not part of the solution, they are part of the problem. And why are world governments condemning Israel and the United States instead of Hezbollah, Syria and Iran? Because deep down they would prefer a world without Jews and those who support us.
I think for every rocket sent into Israel, Israel should send 10 into that mosque sitting on the temple mount. Even then I doubt it would get the Islamo loonies attention. I hold out NO HOPE at all for any semblence of peace with the Islamo-fascists. So at least rid Israel of them as well. I never did understand why Israel ever allowed the Muslems control over the Temple mount in the first place. I for one am sick to death of all the Islamofanatism taking place thoughout the world!
There is no such country as Syria. There are sleepy and backward southern provinces of Great Ottoman Empire (now Turkey) that is going to regain them back. Hopefully.
What u don t understand is, ours is not a terror attack, it is only a response for an ongoing threat.You think they have been getting ready for this attack. It didn t just happen over one night just like Ariel Sharon's visit to Temple Mount was a good reason for the Palestinian to rise, this is also a good reason for the Arap world exercising their new weapons on Israel. You think Israel is looking forward to kill the civilians? People like you always like to look at the events from the end, who kidnapped the soldiers? Who is threating Israel with nuclear weapons? These countries only promise more revenge to their people,they teach how to kill at schools, they teach how to hold guns; with the money that they get from International communnities and from the Arap world, they could have built themselves an empire but they chose a different path.Israel is doing the dirty job for the whole world.
LET US GET ONE THING CLEAR: WHILE OTHER NATIONS, LIKE NORWAY, SWITZERLAND, DENMARK, SWEDEN, LUXEMBOURG,FINLAND, ETC can afford the luxury of having non-military professionals as their political leaders, ISRAEL, UNDER SIEGE FOR 60 YEARS, CANNOT AFFORD SUCH A LUXURY. ONE OF THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR PRIME MINISTER AND DEFENSE MINISTER SHOULD BE A CURRICULUM VITAE WHICH INCLUDES LONG EXPERIENCE AS A MILITARY COMMANDER . THIS WILL BE TRUE FOR A LONG TIME TO COME.
Amazing that we don't see his pretty face in front of the cameras anymore, isn't it? He flees and hides and puts out recorded audiotapes while allowing Lebanese to die. If the Lebanese people are o.k. with that, the rest of the world should be as well. Nasrallah is a fool who made the biggest miscalculation of his life. By being unwilling or unable to expel him or kill him and disband hexbullah, the Lebanese people and government show that they are a bunch of fools as well. They deserve everything they are getting.
we have nothing to loose(our lives and our economy is not considered as a loose when we pay it to our country),so we r already winners...like always.
Matthias. You may had understand a little bit more if you had stayed in the area for a couple of years. In South-Lebanon there were not much support for Hezbollah while I was there (1985 and 1994). In fact the local population celebrated when Israel invaded back in 1978. The problem was that they never withdraw (until recently) and they slowly but steady lost their popularity. You may call Hezbollah a terrorist organization. Be aware that they are not operating outside their country. ..and you will never be popular among a population that are getting shelled from time to time. The main problem is that Israel is punishing a whole country for what a small minority is responsible for. And that small minority is not that popular.
"Israel deploys Patriot missiles in Haifa" You must be kidding. They never were an efective defence against Scud or Katyusha Rockets.Are you getting rid of junk from warehouses? "IDF is bombing border crossing form Lebanon to Syria" You are jocking again. hezbollah leadership corsse into Syria on the second day of the bombing. I did say it before on the Haaretz pages. Olmert/Peretz had been exposed as incompetent leaders. Gen. Dan Halutz is most likely positioning himself for a future political carrier. He failed as a Chief of Staff. Remove him like it was done to Elazar during Yom Kipur war and bring back Moshe Ya'alon before IDF will end up with a bloodied nose. Bombing lighthouses in Beirut harbor and Tripoly is stupid!!!
"Israel deploys Patriot missiles in Haifa" You must be kidding. They never were an efective defence against Scud or Katyusha Rockets.Are you getting rid of junk from warehouses? "IDF is bombing border crossing form Lebanon to Syria" You are jocking again. hezbollah leadership corsse into Syria on the second day of the bombing. I did say it before on the Haaretz pages. Olmert/Peretz had been exposed as incompetent leaders. Gen. Dan Halutz is most likely positioning himself for a future political carrier. He failed as a Chief of Staff. Remove him like it was done to Elazar during Yom Kipur war and bring back Moshe Ya'alon before IDF will end up with a bloodied nose. Bombing lighthouses in Beirut harbor and Tripoly is stupid!!!
Howdy Paris; Oh yeah, Lebanon has "a long history in fighting occupiers". Let's see. There were the Egyptians, Hittites, Egytians (again), Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, Turks, etc. I hate to have to inform you this, but up until recently Lebanon has not successfully fought against an occupation for the past 3,500 years. All of the above occupations ended because the next conquering army showed up and took over and not because of any significant Lebanese resistance. During the past decade, Lebanon has managed to kick out the Israelis in the south and the Syrians in the north, but you are now being occupied by Iran in the form of Hezbollah who takes its orders from Tehran not from Beirut.
A few months before his assassination, Gandhi answered the question "What is the solution to the Palestine problem?" raised by Doon Campbell of Reuters: "It has become a problem which seems almost insoluble. If I were a Jew, I would tell them: 'Do not be so silly as to resort to terrorism...' The Jews should meet the Arabs, make friends with them and not depend on British aid or American aid, save what descends from Jehovah."
You must fight Hizbullah yourselves. It's not really our fault that you're forcing us (BY BOMBING OUR HOMES) to do it for you. You say you have nothing against us and can't control Hizbullah, and Christian Lebanese rightly say that last time they supported us we abandoned them. But your government has publicly refused to go to war with Hizbullah, saying they invited the terrorist group into the government so that they would 'feel Lebanese'. AND you civilians do not appear to be protesting EN MASSE against Hizbullah. Meanwhile, we are being bombed in our homes, with no warning. THAT IS THE REASON WE ARE BOMBING LEBANON. We have no anger toward the Lebanese, but you can't expect us to lie down and let them kill us.
I cannot help quote what Gandhi said about this conflict and I belive it is still relevant today: "My sympathy does not blind me to the requirements of justice. The cry for the national home for the Jews does not make much appeal to me. The sanction for it is sought in the Bible and in the tenacity with which the Jews have hankered after their return to Palestine. Why should they not, like other peoples of the earth, make that country their home where they are born and where they earn their livelihood?" - Mohandas K. Gandhi "Palestine of the Biblical conception is not a geographical tract." - M.K Gahndhi
Israel disregard human lives therefore it is a terrorist state
At least 82 Lebanese civilians and two soldiers have died in the Israeli attacks since they started Wednesday. Four Israeli civilians, eight soldiers and one sailor have died, Israeli authorities said.
And now, IAF resorts to bombing Christian ports and businesses to create a rift between the Christian and Muslim communities in Lebanon. The same DIVIDE/RULE policy England adopted in their occupation of the middle east, India, Taiwan.... History tells us that this policy has failed in the Arab world to a large extent...
I am at a disbelief that pro-Israelis see nothing wrong with military action against Lebanon! People are dead and injured on both sides, but yet we cheer for war!! When you take a position for either side and label them, it means that you don?t understand the middle east or have an agenda. Yes, Israel can bomb anywhere they want, as they did in the past, because Lebanon does not have any military power to defend itself. And Yes Hezbollah can fire rockets and kidnap soldiers as they did in the past! You can cheer both sides to fight and endure human suffering and deaths, but all this will not resolve anything. When will the Israelis and the Arabs realize that unless they solve their own problems on their own they will have no future? When will they realize that outsiders don?t want them to make peace and work together for the good of their people, after all Middle East Jews, Muslims, and Christians are ?cousins? and are of Semitic origin!! Israel should be most responsible, (that does not mean that Arabs are less responsible) because it is most advanced. Rest assure that people in the Middle East will not benefit from war, not even the ?VICTOR? !! I doubt that there will be anyone left to claim such victory!!!!
That we Jews are "The root of all evil" oops. correction " at the root of all evil" Please answer "Yes" or "No"
I am at a disbelief that pro-Israelis see nothing wrong with military action against Lebanon! People are dead and injured on both sides, but yet we cheer for war!! When you take a position for either side and label them, it means that you don?t understand the middle east or have an agenda. Yes, Israel can bomb anywhere they want, as they did in the past, because Lebanon does not have any military power to defend itself. And Yes Hezbollah can fire rockets and kidnap soldiers as they did in the past! You can cheer both sides to fight and endure human suffering and deaths, but all this will not resolve anything. When will the Israelis and the Arabs realize that unless they solve their own problems on their own they will have no future? When will they realize that outsiders don?t want them to make peace and work together for the good of their people, after all Middle East Jews, Muslims, and Christians are ?cousins? and are of Semitic origin!! Israel should be most responsible, (that does not mean that Arabs are less responsible) because it is most advanced. Rest assure that people in the Middle East will not benefit from war, not even the ?VICTOR? !! I doubt that there will be anyone left to claim such victory!!!!
For a little while yesterday Ha'aretz carried a notice that the Pentagon had notified congress on 15 July that the US would be selling $27 million worth of jet fuel to Israel. This jet fuel will keep the F-15's flying while Israel destroys Palestinian and Lebanese infrastructure. Why can't Israel and the US simply negotiate with the elected representatives of the Palestinian people instead of starving and trapping them? When the soldiers are captured, why can't there be a prisoner exchange, why is it that the response is bombing? I hope Americans who oppose war will contact the president, state department, and especially their senators and representatives and speak out against this escalation of violence and the US support of it materially and politically. Best wishes to all.
Omar, cound not be further form the truth. hell the britts controled much of the middle east. but,Israel. God bless Israel. It was promised to her in the biginning and God said in the last days Jews form all over the world would go and take it back, well for almost 50 years radicals like you and other terrorists have tryed with no secuss to take back the Land givin to the Jews so many thousands of years ago. and God's arm is not shortend, but a few towel heads with pea shooters. Israel will stand until the Lord finishes his work. and then Jesus will return and set his kingdom up in Israel. praise be to the Lord and his son Jesus Christ. God bless Israel. and George Bush for haveing the guts to stand beside her.
You should feel exactly the same way we feel about you destroying our country. You have the right to exist but we do have exactly the same right.
I prefer not to kill. It would be better to kidnap him (if possible). Then, we should give him to George who will know exactly how to take care of him. Nasrallah says he likes surprises. Good... Like for Dirani, it will come for him from behind... Hi george !!!
Eze 39:7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel. Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword. Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
...fighting Terrorism by killing evil women and children. Getting hit by some guerillas and striking back at their families - you know how to crush them. Has anyone of you ever been to Gaza and seen how people live there?
The Lebanese better understand that if they refuse to control thier border, then they can expect to feel the rath of Israel. Either the lebanese help destroy the Hezbollah in thier Country, and bring thier border under control or thier will be no Lebanon. Lebanese people must understand that its thier war and it is thier duty to rid themselves of these terrorist. Lebanese are a good people. many are Christian. They are an aly to the United States but their must be only one solution to these extreem terrorist, and as much as we hate to say it, its either kill them or be killed. the war on terror can not be one through deplomacy when one side insists it must distroy an independant country. my wish is that if we would have handled Terrorist in Iraq as harshly as Israel is then the world would be alot safer.
It was soon too happen How can you believe a terrorist But now observe the mighty hand of God will protect Israel because it is his land. Go Israel!! God is with you Read this prophecy by Chuck Pierce Israel Prayer Focus PRAYER UPDATE FROM ISRAEL - (07/14/2006) On January 29, 2006 when I was speaking in a church service at Jubilee Church in Camarillo, the Lord began to speak to me about Lebanon. One of the things they do at Jubilee is pray for the nations each Sunday. When I saw the flag of Lebanon, it lit up by the Holy Spirit for me to see. The Lord then began to quicken a prophetic word to me. He said, "Watch Lebanon." Not only was He speaking to that church and the people there as a personal call for them to watch over the nation of Lebanon, but I felt like He was speaking to us as His people that Lebanon would become a real prayer focus and issue this year. I was hesitant to interrupt the service and give this word because I was not confident over who in the ser
Christian in Ain-Ebel, Rmeich and Debel want to say to IDF that they do not fight them and the members of Hezbolah take their Rokets and went into our town to fire them to Israel and then they go away and then the IDF fire our town So please don't fire our homes Just fire Hezbolah members .....
In the past- " show restraint" has not worked. "Land for peace"- only with a partner has it worked. The sides must "put down their arms and talk" nope-no go. If the world wants a solution to it's Arab, Palestinian, Molslem problem Vis a Vis Israel, and now the west- it is going to have to decide what is correct by law- and then enforce it- But the UN did not do that with Hizballah. Therefore the UN is a great impediment to peace and a trap- for Israel and the world vs Jihadist. Israel after the suicide bombing, 6 day war before that, and the holocaust- must rely on itself and shoot first- ask questions later. Let the world change it's stance, and reign in Jihadists or else it will have the same on their doorsteps soon. It is already there. Wake up and smell the coffee.
Hizbollah are not hiding and do have their positings and are bombing israel from there. + Mr smarty who is Israel bombing in Lebanon + Israel started by keeping Lebanese hostages and always disrespecting Lebanon's air space!!
The reason for the conflict is that the Islamofascists of the ME want to wipe the Jews out of their land, not that Israel discriminates its own citizens, which is not true. Those Islamofascist say themselves they are part of the global jihad. The Iranian president has called several times for the destruction of Israel.
Israel is not gona get the kidnapped soldiers back. Why waste time and bomb Lebanon and show that hisbollah is strong and let Israely towns, and cities also get hit by Hizbollah. My prediction for this war, Hizbollah is not gona lose or backdown!
to the watcher... u hit us all day and killed 79 innocent pple massacring 23 innocent children and women while they were running from their village after YOU issued them a warning to leave town.. HOW WE SHOULD FEEL about YOU ??? give us our war prisoners and ull get peace and ull get ur own soldiers..
Israel is not occupying pal land, because and Arab Palestinian state has never existed. You say Israel is prevented people from exercising their political rights. You are mistaken because the Israeli citizens are not prevented from exercising their political rights. If you mean the pals, the Syrians or the Lebanese, it is not Israel who should allow them to exercise their political rights but the PA , the Syrian government and the Lebanese government.
You criticize Israel because, you say, it is not a democracy. From your point of view, is Iran a democracy? Or Syria? If they arent, have you ever criticized them?
hezbollah is not the enemy of israel only ;it s the enemy of arabs too.once you understand that, you guys can join us and together w ll get rid of them
If Israel can attack Lebanon for not controling its borders then the US should attack Mexico for allowing murders,drug peddelers and who knows what else to prey on their innocent citizens.I think the world should just have a happy free for all.Insanity and depravity have consumed man's reasoning process.
You can not solve problems by rocket. Just look at action of Israel in Gaza. Agression is wron on all sides. To the Israeli, Just leave the occupied land and you will have more friends than enemies.
Hello Ludvig I am not sure if you are aware of it but when I was in Sudan, an Islamic controlled state, It was leagal and possible to Buy slaves for about $25.00 U.S. Most of these slaves are darker then the Arab leaders in the country. This graetly puzzled me as I am from the U.S. and here an Islamic minister named Farrakhan was preaching that other religions were white mens religion. In Dalfur Sudan arab leaders are displacing black Sundanese people because of the color of their skin. They are the same religion (MUSLIM) but are darker in color. Where you away that in many Islamic countries you can be put in prison for having bible. Now the people backing the Hezbollah are from Iran and recently the president of Iran stated that Israel should be destroyed. You say that peace is the responsability of Israel in the middle east and that fair treatment is left up to Israel I do not agree.
Hello Ludvig I am not sure if you are aware of it but when I was in Sudan, an Islamic controlled state, It was leagal and possible to Buy slaves for about $25.00 U.S. Most of these slaves are darker then the Arab leaders in the country. This graetly puzzled me as I am from the U.S. and here an Islamic minister named Farrakhan was preaching that other religions were white mens religion. In Dalfur Sudan arab leaders are displacing black Sundanese people because of the color of their skin. They are the same religion (MUSLIM) but are darker in color. Where you away that in many Islamic countries you can be put in prison for having bible. Now the people backing the Hezbollah are from Iran and recently the president of Iran stated that Israel should be destroyed. You say that peace is the responsability of Israel in the middle east and that fair treatment is left up to Israel I do not agree.
Why can i live with french jewish in france or the states and not in the middle east? Oh really then how can you explain of Halimi, the Iranian descent jew in France. Oh I see very clearly how well others get along with Jews abroad. And for your information it is the Islamic regime that must be destroyed so the Jews can live not the "Jewish Regime" as you say.
Khaled Your response to cherice is the most sensible posting I have seen here. I have wondered why your idea was not implemented to begin with. I feel the U.N. should step in on both sides of the conflict to force a truce, and not just observe.
To all Americans reading these posts: contact your congressmen and senators and demand the US steps up to the plate to stand against terrorism. That's what this war is about. Hamas and Hizbollah are two side of the same jihadi coin. The US should be sending much more than a few Patriot systems. Move your Texas behind, Mr. Bush! Enough talking about preserving the Lebanese government- that filthy regime has harbored murderers for years- time to sterilize it. All Americans should realize that this battle is NOT just an Israeli fight. To any congressmen reading this, if you do not immediately demand action to support Israel, YOU CAN BE ASSURED OF NOT GETTING RE-ELECTED.
It is so unfortunate to see so many people clearly unable or unwilling to understand the basic facts about a situation. Much of the European media is partly to blame for this blunder, but its more then that. I don't understand how many Europeans have been sucked into so many lies regarding Israel, when the facts are clearly evident if you mearly search for them. I myself have been writting a Thesis on the foundation of Israel, and am amazed at how mistaken people are about the so-called "occupation" of Arab lands. If you believe that the Hezbollah and Hamas are interested in peace, please read a little about these two organizations, and you will see how wrong you are!
you should be happy that you still alive but and big but hope you taste half what your Army doing in Lebanon then you know how we feel about it.
How can one instigate further hatred and killing? How can you Margaret encourage such heinous crimes against humanity? I would just encourage you to access other information channels for just a moment so you can appreciate it from the other side.
DO NOT STOP KILLING TERRORISTS ISRAEL. HEZBOLLAH HAS ONLY ONE GOAL IN MIND-- YOUR TOTAL DESTRUCTION. THEY WILL LIE AND MISLEAD AND PRETEND TO BE VICTUMS BUT THEY WILL RETURN TO KILL YOU WHEN EVER THEY CAN.THE APPEASERS WHO CALL ON YOU TO STOP ARE NOT UNDER THE GUN AS YOU ARE.
Amazing isn't! What about over 75 civilans killed in Lebanon? Does that count in the balance? What about the destruction that IDF left behind? The injurred and scarred forever?
Lebanon should really be asking Israel to help get rid of Hizbollah. They are a scourge whereeveer they go
Israel proved to be a lemon strategic partner. Who is that idiot who had the idea of state for Jews. Been a terrible mistake which the whole world is paying price for.
It is the same conventions which protect civilian targets and infrastruction which are being violated by Israel, are ironically the same conventions which are keeping the Israeli Prisonser of War alive. I say the soldeirs should be used as a human shield for potential targets. They should have been placed in Hezbollah offices, or on top of the fuel tanks at the Beirut Airport. This is the language Israel understands. Americans should ask themselves what got them into that mess, nothing but Israel. Israel has been a curse on the region and on US interests.
I wonder what they are worried about that would require a Patriot. The RCS of a katyushka is too small, and it's not within the Patriot's intercept envelope long enough. Either this is just for show, or someone is worried about a much larger and longer ranged rocket.
500 drones over Syrian oil fields and refinerys could in 1/2 hour turn them into a peaceful country without any oil for sale. :}
Margaret, How dare you to say that Israel is doing excellent! If you really are a Christian you will never approve what either parties ( Lebanon & Israel)is doing right now. It never written in the BIble that you will repay evil for an evil. a tooth for tooth & an eye for an eye. Yes, Jewish people are the chosen people by God, I guesss they know that...And I am sure God is not happy for what they are doing on right now. This is not the right way! a lot of innocent people are the victim of that violence & if you have a brother or sister working there at the place of war.. then you will realize How evil their Hearts are, people who only think of themselves!!!!!!!!!! The real victim here is not the Jewish people it's the foriegner of that land who are there doing no harm to either party & yet are the ones suffering most, they don't know if they could go home alive or not,they suffer the shock & agony of threat in their lives all alone away from their love ones. rhoda
America stands with Israel! G D bless Israel...
Simple solution for a damn complicated sitution? No justice - no peace !!! Does Israel wanna live in peace? Then just leave Westbank (incl. all illegal settlements) and Gaza forever, release all Arabs you are holding without any rights. And stop killing children. You can blame others as terrorists only when you don't act as one!!
First of all, 700 rockets and getting 2 fatalities is a very bad record. I think the terrorist got nothing better to do but spread misery and waste so much energy doing it. Just imagine how much they can accomplish for their countries by applying this energy for good. The only way to deal with these types of people is to isolate them and eliminate them. Power to the people who are doing this. It is not the countries, it is extremist militant islam. There is no negotiating with them because they want to see destruction of anything that's not like them - border on Nazism. Power to Israel for having the courage to kick their asses back to hell!
DOES ISRAEL NOT HAVE THE DESIRE TO DESTROY THESE ROCKETS. OLMERT, ISRAELI CITIZENS ARE GETTING HURT. LETS HURT SOME HIZB AND SOME LEB CIVIALIANS. THE RULES ARE SET BY HIZB, THEY TARGET CIVILIANS, AND ISRAEL TARGETS, CEMENT? TO HELL WITH THE RESTRAINT -END THIS NO
We all know about organizations such as the UN & NATO which seek to unite member countries in a common bond to thwart aggression. Do Muslims have such an organization amongst themselves? I know of: The Arab League - The League of Arab States but, it has been ineffective to date. I propose a new organization be formed. They could call it: The Arab Liberation League of Al mahdi and the Hezbollah, short form = A. L. L. A. H
If you don't like getting bombed, get rid of the Hezbollah. They are causing lebanon nothing but ruin and destruction. And since you're Christian, why should you care what happens to a bunch of Islamist fanatics who want to get rid of you as well as of us Israelis?
Hello H It sounds like you are one of the people I heared firing guns into the air, to celebrate, on the Lebanese border when 9/11 happened. So I wonder who was full of jelousy and spite then. It's not the Israelis. Every time the sourounding countries try to PUSH ISRAEL INTO THE SEA they loose land. that may be because their motives are full of jelousy,greed, spite, & hatred. A really good book to read is called "the complete idiots guide to the middle east conflict" you may see somethings about your country that your politicians dont want you to see. Like how Lebanon was a very beautiful country before the palastinians came there and began to rape and muder your own people. Or maybe your mindset is that raping and mudering your people is ok with you.
The only option for the State of Israel is to come out in full force and annihiliate the Hezbollah: it's the only language Islamic militants understand
IRAQ, IRAN, NORTH KOREA, LEBANON, LYBIA, AND SYRIA (BADLANDS). AGGRIVATORS OF HUMANE LIVING IN THE WORLD TODAY. THEY DO NOT WANT WORLD PEACE. THEY BRAINWASH THERE PEOPLES. THEY CAUSE CIVIL STRIFE, POVERTY AND STARVATION. THE PEOPLE THERE SHOULD LOOK AT HOW THERE ARMY AND GOVERNMENT LIVE. I BET THEY ARE NOT STARVING OR POVERED. I'LL BET YOU'LL FIND LYBIA BACKING THE HEZBOLLHA ALSO. WE MAY AS WELL FACE IT HERE IN AMERICA. IF WE INTEND TO REFORM THE MIDDLE EAST INTO DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM IN ORDER TO GAIN WORLD PEACE. THE U.S. WILL HAVE TO MILITARIZE THE WHOLE REGION ON THE CLAIM OF FIGHTING "TERRORISM".
You asked what is terrorismm so here's a definition: "Terrorism is politically-motivated violence directed at civiians." Note that the definitionstipulates that the violence be DIRECTED at civilians; in other words, civilians are the primary target. Thus, rocketing Safed, Tiberias and Nahariya is terror; bombing a hi-rise in Beirut where Hezbollah maintains offices is not. even though innocent civilians may get killed. And Mark Lincoln, sorry about the van with 15 civiians killed, really sorry, but in the end it's the Hezbollah's fault, with the Lebanese government (in which the Hezbollah participates) sharing a good deal of the blame.
Tis messege to Margret, I do not think killing innocent people can justify a cause, by you telling the Israli army to and kill the evil. by killing innocent you create evil either it was Israeli or Lebanese, lighten up and think about if your kids were the victim of a bomb or a bullit from an Israeli army, would you be supporting them. Maybe you are safe in the Netherland now, but do you know that what comes around goes around.
Punish Hizballah for obvious agression, however punishing lebanon as a whole will create more problems for both countries. If lebanon suffers as a nation, israel would have made new enemies out of people who wanted peace.
and in her header she dispenses with "Zionist" or "Israel" and chooses "Jew" instead....which is why when we hear zionist this and zionist that we feel we know precisely what the poster means. At least Elisabeth is open about her hostility? (PS. Is there a particular reason you like stalking Cipora?)
Bravo Danny .... Israel is not the cause of unrest, except in the minds of those who wish Israel ham.
USA...still in Guam,Guantanamo,Germany,Iraq UK still in Bermuda(colony),Faulkland Is.,Iraq France still in Tahiti,Bora Bora,Alsace Germany Turkey occupies part of Cypress and Kurdistan, Russia occupies was Eastern Prussia(Kaliningrad) Danemark still in Greenland Oh almost overlooked: *Sweden occupies lapland. Laplanders are second class citizen. *Norway occupies lapland and keeps laplanders as second class citizen Note* of course you want admit it but both Sweden and Norway are the most vocal anti Israel critics.Can you explain your statement "is sometimes credited..sole democracy in ME" Why do you single out Israel? Is it your inner sentiment of anti-... or Norways Quisling heritage? __________________
Exactly what do you think Halutz should have done? Aside from occasional fire fights the north has been quiet. Intelligence might have been aware of the new rockets, but would it have made sense to stir up a mess to look for them. The arrangements with Hizbollah were keeping a tense peace. Best to leave sleeping dogs along Max. Otherwise there would have been rockets landing in Tiberias months ago.
I feel increasingly pressed to understand what the hell Muslims are up to in the current world. They seem to have a collective death wish. In fact, it's not hard to find many things written over the years by Muslims who proclaim that, by sheer numbers and willingness, outright happiness, to die, they will prevail over the entire world. This is living in mutual peace and tolerance? This is some weird millenial St. Vitus dance in celebration of death. You're all (well, OK, only 1 or 2% of 1.5 billion) completely brainwashed and gone mad.
Let the enemy finally feel what real war is - I think they've forgotten (or never new). I don't think we should stop there. While Israel is taking care of Hezbolah, the US should leave Iraq and move its troops into Iran.
means a democracy only for Jews, and that means that it really can't be a democracy. Just like a woman can't be half-pregnant, neither can there be democracies for only part of a population. (some people haven't figured that out yet)
I beg to differ with you, Israel is a democracy so long as you only consider the Jewish people there. When you consider others (such as Christian and Muslim citizens) you will face many walls: 1) Any Jew abroad has an automatic citizenship waiting for him/her if he/she migrates to Israel. But Palestinians (even those BORN THERE and became refugees, or are relatives to an Arab Israeli citizens) are NOT allowed. 2) Israel must remain Majority Jewish (some call it "with Jewish Character"). This resulted in their inability to annex the Gaza/WB occupied lands. If they did, they would have had to give them voting rights, and lose that "character", therefore they continued to occupy for 3 decades while at same time calling it "the land of Israel". 3) Their greatest fear now is the "Arab Woman Womb" because Israeli Arabs have more children than Jewish ones. Do not be surprised if a decade from now you hear of an Israeli law that limits the allowed number of children in families.
A fresh, and extremely welcome, perspective, Cipora. I am delighted to see that you have decided to support the Palestinian right of return. Welcome aboard!
To all who say that Lebanon is a terrorist state I'd like to say that you are very wrong!! Lebanon is a very cultured state goverened by civilized people and as you have in Israel some extremists we have also. These extremist had done their job to resist agianst your occupation and still doing their job to liberate what is remaining. But it seems the terrorist is your state which have devastated our country and killed more than 100 people... you are asking about some bombs which landed in Israel it's the minimum reply to this devastation.... I hatr killing and especially civillians... try to compare and you'll find who's the terrorist
Select your targets, do what you have to do, don't involve syrians in this war and finish this conflict as soon as possible. A long war is not a good idea.
You ask why we can live with Jews in peace in France and not in the Middle East ? Because once the muslims reach sort of critical mass (30-40% of the population) they try to change geopolital landscape and in the process "kill all non-muslims". For comparison, look at most middle east countries in the last 50 years. ALL STRICTLY MUSLIM. All Non-muslim, be it jewish, christian, indian, etc, were given a "choice" and emmigrated. Wait until their population grows in Paris. Last years Paris Muslim demonstrations will look like child's play. Then I recommend you move up north to Sweden or to where Dutch love-living people live. Dutch people will protect us from new Caliphate forming in France.
go home and sleep
israel got what it deserves this is what it has been doing to people for the past three weeks and before.
Watcher! Do you have the slightest idea who started bombarding civilian targets, like civilian aiport peaceful neighborhoods and power stations? Do me a favor, Watch!
But who bombed who first and where are the most casualties and the most damages. Maybe now you know how the Palestinians feel on this forum except the weapons Israel uses against them does far more damage and are far more sophisticated. Taking a look at some of the photographs I've seen of damages in Israel is exaftly what bulldozers alone have been doing for years to the Palestinians and their homes. Did you ever care about that?
"real vicitms are the Jewish people" What about the people in Lebanon, what about the prisoners in capture for years held by the israel goverment? exchange is easier, may be some one should wonder, Is not that what Isreali asked for when they kept the prisoners for years? This attitude is the attitude of the super power, " the only one" going to turn many people to respect no law or what is so called antisocial , you are not going to have fun if the world go this way, think again
again and again i ask idf to stop striking lebanese infrastructure ,we paid a huge amount to build it and now we r paying the same amount when it is destroyed . i remind u that hizbollah did not pay anything to build lebanon and still is not paying electricity.i ask haaretz to send my sincere words to president IHUD OLMERT and to think about this underestimated but huge part of the lebanese population who does not have any hate againnst Israel our future partner.
You are so funny do you know that? You talk about the number of missiles launched from Lebanon.. Why don't you think about it in another way. Count how many innocent civilians are being killed in lebanon and count how many are killed from Israel.. u'll see a big difference... Don't act stupid as if you don't know what's really going on. The thing with the lebanese people is that war doesn't scare them, because they have always been able to face Israel and always beat Israel but Israelians are not used to war and they make it a big deal. and who's striking more... the israelian forces.. but guess what.. in the end.. the EVIL always die... goodnight Israel
Israel is whacking the crap out of Lebanon's infrastructure and punishing the Marionites and Druze. Meanwhile Hizbollah is spreading the pain (and fear) in Israel. Some Israelis are fleeing; as Israeli warplanes slaughter fleeing van loads of fleeing Lebanese civilians. Is everybody having fun or what? Hint: Israel is attacking the WRONG Lebanese, and is on the verge of toppling the government. At which time, guess who moves in to restore "peace"?
covered in pig skin!!! the guy has gone many times too far and got away with it. this time he will pay with interest frm all previous years. Nasrallah count your days ... ...we are coming to get you. ...by the way ''we'' could be anyone:your missus,your cousin,your paper boy your cook. start count sheikh start counting...
You ask "All these rockets came from your territory.How should we feel about it?" They have been living for some time in a country where rockets, invading armies, etc, come from Israel. They may very well feel it is about time you learn what it is like to have your life in danger from attack by an outsider.
to haaretz or IDF.Have you any news or informations on the origin of departure missiles or "rockets". Haifa, Nearyha, Carmiel, Tiberias, these are all targets! from where in south lebanon or from Syria? An other remark on the origin of C-802 (less than Exocet)?
Bob, you are not the only one who has a five-year old son. People on the other side are also humans, you know. I grieve for the family of 11 that was killed by the Israeli bombs and that of 7 also; not to mention the van full of 15 civilians trying to flee for their safety. Enough making it look like only Israelis are people and the others are subhuman. Enough racisim and killing for God's sake!
The trajectory of events is leading to Damascus. This should make Israelis giddy with hope that the war will expand and maybe even get to Tehran. Oh goody. Let's draw the world into your nightmare. I suppose you wouldn't mind American troops dying in Damascus and Tehran like they're dying, needlessly, in Baghdad; in part on your behalf. I suspect a number of people on this thread would LOVE to draw America into an Israeli ground operation. Or maybe a little "Shock and Awe"; it worked so well in Iraq after all. It's nuts; totally nuts. America needs to reign in the Israeli cowboys NOW. Withhold the $2 billion a year aid package if necessary. Stop this madness.
It is time for Torah Warriors to rise up among the leaders of Israel and call upon the Holy One of Israel instead of trying to appease our enemies. Isa 55:5 Behold, you shall call a nation that you don't know; and a nation that didn't know you shall run to you, because of the LORD your God, and for the Holy One of Yisra'el; for he has glorified you. Isa 55:6 Seek you the LORD while he may be found; call you on him while he is near: Isa 55:7 let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; and let him return to the LORD, and he will have mercy on him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, says the LORD. Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Lebanese resistant is not AL-Qaeda and lebanon is not afganistan. the leb gov is formed by shia (?) suni and christian. So in another word the resitant is inside the gov. BTW: foreign minister, energie minister, labour minister belongs to moqawama...so pls. read about you're commenting before ruling out your comments. Maybe I shall as well mention to you that majority of lebanese are shia, syrian alawit are shia, majority Iraqis are shia and Iran of course are totally shia. But arab countries are sunis and therefore they're not supporting leb. But all leb are coming together against israel and that's very dangerous to them and not the rockets. Be patient and wait till the END, israelis have no patient to stand month or two of rockets falling on their heads everyday and DEEP. Lebanese escpecially southern are very familiar and can stand years (20yrs) so can the israeli stand that. That is the question. So, watch what the leader of hizbullah has to say in the coming hours!!!
Excellent response to a bigot and clearly thoughtful.
That is racist and stupid! the real victims are those enduring the Israeli bombs in Lebanon and in Gaza. Those who see their infrastructure destroyed and lives taken for no reason. Collective punishment for the acts of the few is a racist thing, because it shows that whoever is doing it does not regard the other party as people worthy of good lives. It is ironic that this comes from people who were being exterminated for racist reasons a few decades ago!
Ludvig, Israelis are not interested in truth. With the help from the U.S. they have created this myth about their democracy. Don't forget, democracy is just the rule of majority. It doesn't mean fairness, justice and equity for all. You are right, they are a racist democracy(majority). If any one is interested in the proof they just have to read the articles that appear on Haaretz about how state of Israel discriminates against no-jews As for the current conflict, this is part of the greater Arab-Israeli conflict. If Israel wants peace it has to return "fully" Golan Heights, Gaza and west bank. But they are not going to give up the land that the have grabbed and they will have wars forever. They are now kidding themselves by thinking that they can just unilateraly withdraw from "parts" of Westbank and annex the rest to Israel. If Israelis were smart they would have gone back to their 1967 borders for their own good.
Dear Sir, Learn soem history. Pal;estione is a reent name. Israel and the Jews have been in the Middle East for 5000 years
Sir, your brilliant and thoughtful remarks are an indication of how deeply you have analyzed the situation. the Jews have been persecuted for 5000 years and are still around. Your kind will never succeed in destroying her. My message to you. Learn the facts and look at the picture from Israels side.
So tell me, if the Hezbollah are so great, why are you living in Paris and not in Beirut? Isn't it because the Muslims, especially the Shi'ite Hezbollah, are making life intolerable for Christians in Lebanon, just as they have done all over the rest of the Middle East?
What a thoughtful and endearing remark. You are to be commended for your sheer billiance. It must be wondeful to be so ignorant
Fools do not learn from their mistakes. Israel has lived under war conditions and prospered. You are just a pawn kicked from one Arab power to another Syria is controlling you through Hizballa you will no peace while you let Hizballa do the Shiites dirty work for them.
I agree. 100%. I keep hearing criticisms but no solutions.
Interestingn and thoughtful, but we are a long way from that scenario
I agree! I'm tired or reading about this one's fault and that one's fault etc. etc. Never do I hear any sensible or pratical solutins
And what would be your solution? I keep reading about what this one did was wrong and that one was wrong but I never hear amny sensible or practical solutions.
And what would you do? I assume as aa military genius that you have some superior solution. How about giving up and letting Hamas and Hezbellah bomb Israel to death. I'd like to hear more from your brilliant mind
Israel does not deny the Palestinians their "political rights" in the West bank, the Palestinians there have Jordanian nationality and have the same rights as Jordanian Palestinians - ie next to none. The last month has proved the "just end the occupation and you'll get peace" thesis to be utterly false. What discrimination is this? We have senior members of police who are arab, 10% of our parliment is arab MKs, 1 out of 9 supreme court judges is arab, our university intake matches the arab percentage of the population perfectly - ie 20% of the students are arab. As a matter of curiosity how many ethnic minorities make up senior positions in the Swedish judicary or academia? As for Israel being the "cause" of unrest, a minority of the conflicts in the Middle East since 1948 have been to do with Israel - think Iran-Iraq war, Yemen civil war, Jordanian-Syrian conflicts, Iraq-Kurd, Internal strife in every single country...
Vermeulen, apparently it is news to you, but Israel occupies not one inch of territory in Lebanon. Furthermore, stephen murray, it is not merely the act of kidnapping, it is the dozens of rockets fired at the same time at Israel, it is the breaching of an international border, the murder of some soldiers etc. It is the rather continuous firing of rockets that hizbulla has engaged in for years. The facts are clear. Lebanon has refused to police its own borders allowing Israel to be the sole party to pay the price for that fact. If Lebanon wants this territory, it has an obligation to police it and be responsible for the actions of those within it. If they refuse to do so, Israel, in self defence has every right to reoccupy it.
the Iranian effort to distract the G-8 by inflaming regional tension to the point of full scale war is very dangerous indeed as can be seen from Putin's latest remarks warning Syria/Iran to stop the Hizzbolah rocket attacks. The Iranians are the real manipulators on the Northern front and will soon be learning that camels are the newest form of transport. You have been warned oil men. Pulling back from the brink is your smartest choice. Maybe you feel you have made your point sufficiently for the G-8 to think twice? You are underestimating the Israeli response.
If we look closer, we also realize, that the periode of our dark ages was slowly ended through contact with jewish and muslim culture and esp. your openess towards scientific knowledge. We have rewarded it with prejudice, war and endless bloodsheltering. Only in the last 60 years or so, we have, after a global disaster, lived in relative peace. The unjust problem again is, while we are on our safe island, that our actions of the past (holocaust, colonialism) still are causes of war all over the world, and just now the younger generation is in the process of realising that. So, why the hell did I write all this? I believe that many opinions from europe posted here, like Fritz, are maybe expressions of feeling sort of responsible. and in the same time feeling quite helpless... I realy hope, that in near future Jerusalem is going to be your (israel and arab) symbol of peaceful coexistance...
You guys better be leaving Tel Aviv becuase it's next, if you want to hit Lebanon's newly rebuilt infrastructure and civilians out of spite and jeleousy then you'll feel the wrath of the Lebanese
what is terrorism ? can someone define it for me . who set the rule ? maybe killing innocent life is form of terrorism so hizbollah is one of them But IDF then is another form of it and so is any killer of innocent civilian anywhere for any cause . you can not just pick and choose your terrorism labels . world need to sit down and work for peace and war of any kind will achieve peace 60 years of fighting and maybe another 60 will go on . thank you
the only fair response to hezbollah is to have israel use nuclear tipped missles-for every israeli killed, 1000 arab terorists and their cowardly sympathizers go down-they will only understand this in order to stop their psycopathic actions
First off for those that credit Israel for stealing land that belonged to the Arabs, blame yourselves, because it was a UN descision that gave the Jews a nation here. Secondly Israel has tried time and again to work out peaceful solutions to the Palistinian conflict, but no matter what they have done, from giving up Jericho, Gaza, or Bethleham, has done anything to stop the Terrorism. There have been multiple offers for co-existing Israeli-Palastinian, all of which have been turned down by the PALASTINIANS. The Palastinian government currently is itself a TERRORISTIC ORGANIZATION FOR GOD'S SAKES, so how can you expect Israel to make peace with them. Again I must say OPEN YOUR EYES AND LOOK AT THE FACTS. The so called "freedom fighters" are TARGETING WOMEN AND CHILDREN, while the Israeli forces are merely trying to protect their citizens. Israel has given back land time and again, land that was given to them fair and square, or won in wars that other countries provoked
I think that the belgians should rocket amsterdam-what would you do then coward-you should be drawn and quartered because you are a subhuman psychopath like sheik nasrallah and his pack of psychopaths
I am german and I hope that Israel continues what it started. We have to fight terrorism, and Hizibollah is one of the ugliest part of terrorism. I really don't understand the opinion of many of the european countries like Netherlands, Norway, Sweden etc. and even some german politics opinions. It seems "traditional" that they complain any of the israelian actions. I think we should support more the Israelian actions in its fight against terrorism!
To gain an upper hand in any military action, one has to to try and de-activate the enemy. Beirut airports would have been used to allow the enemy fighter planes(or other countries fighter planes) to take off from there and bomb deep inside Israel. Secondly the Port of Beirut has been closed as the Lebanese Government has been allowing the transportation of ammunition through that port, earmarked for the HIZBOLLOH terrorists. Bridges and roads to Damascus from Beirut have been bombed for the same reason...Its a normal action which should have been taken..I would think less of the IDF if they hadn't taken those precautions...The Lebanese Government should never had let the Hizbollah get such a grip both in the South and in Beirut itself...Israel should be thanked for clearing that lot out of there....
It seems quite clear to me, Israel is under constant attack, and Lebanon is unwilling to put a stop to these attacks, and therefore offers the attackers indirect support. If Al-Qaeda were allowed to operate in Mexico, and throw rockets across the border to attack San Diego on a regular basis, what do you think would happen? Or if the French were letting terrorists operate in their country to bomb Dover? Israel cannot afford to do nothing, and Lebanon's government is responsible for what goes on in its country.
Hi Ezra :) "why is someone like you even reading Haaretz?" of course I can't talk on behalf of Fritz, but I can tell you why I try to read israelian and arab Newspapers: I want to understand why the situation in the ME is escalating at a large scale again. If you're only able to read british, german, american or austrian publications it is difficult, if not impossible, to understand the real key elements of your conflict/situation. I do have to say, as a privileged, lucky bastard who lives in a safe environment, it is still difficult to understand - but thanx to your all's postings, you endow me with a clearer picture. by the way: if a modern european kid get's to know it's (bloody) history - disbelief and shame might be one of their first reactions. %
A metaphysical comment: 2006 has the same numbers as 6002. 6000 is the number of years of creation, followed by 1000 years of 'Shabbat', or Peace. Last year, 5765, was a jubilee year. In a Jubilee Year the original inheritance of land is returned to the original owner. This goes back to the Tribes of Israel inheriting the land. Was last year a good year of everyone? I for one had a huge blessing for income and self-respect. The vision of Peace is just simply living side by side, live and let live. EO has said that this is his agenda: Palestine and Israel side by side. The emotion that goes with this is you are happy at the success of your neighbor. When we Jews think of our blessings and see that Palestineans are enjoying these blessings and we feel happy for that, then that all the preceeding woe is turned into joy. What is keeping this from coming down, b'poel mamosh? What keeps it from coming down is exactly the opposite: envy, jealousy, the ayin ha'rah, evil eye. Mo
Keep on going Israel; you're doing exellent ! Let the evil know that enough = enough. My heart goes out to the real victims: the Jewish people. Margaret
CNN said "In the 48 hours following the capture of the Israeli soldiers, Hezbollah launched over 700 (!!!) katyusha rockets into Northern Israel, killing 2 civilians and wounding over a hundred others. The rockets repeatedly pounded the towns of Kiryat Shemona, Safed, Rosh Pina and Nayariya." All these rockets came from your territory. How should we feel about it?
We used to say that bullshit baffles brains and that's what all these guys are talking. Theoretically they see the world in terms of PC leftist philosophy and be damned to the reality of the situation. The Moslems know that they are talking about taking over territory for Islam, as they are instructed to do. This campaign is an integral part of the plan.
Why do you criticize islamic regimes while being proud of your jewish regime? We want all those regimes to be out and we only want laic ones where human beings are all equal on behalf of their color or religions. You and those islamic regimes are moving us 5000 years backward, so for the sake of God that we all adore and love bury your hate and let's build laic regimes where laws and justice reign. Why can i live with french jewish in france or the states and not in the middle east? Stop all your radical thoughts that gave for your religion and others only war and destruction.
At least it wasn't Sharon!
Is this Stephen Murray out of his mind Does he know what provoke means?. Lebanon is a sovereign state being run by terrorists who are attacking another sovereign state across an internationally recognised border. let the Lebanon govt get rid of them and then the Israelis would be delighted to live in peace with Lebanon as it did for years prior to the incursion by the palaestinians and the rest is history.Would Holland tolerate such a sit uation????
Israel is sometimes credited with being the sole democarcy in the middle east. But how could a state be called democratic that occupies foreign territories in decades, preventing millions of exercising their political rights? And could a state whose laws systematically discriminates on the basis of religion and ethnicity be a liberal democracy? I believe not. And until something is done about it there will always be war and unrest in the region.
you have destroyed lebanon. we will build again. u have killed our people our children will carry on learn from history ... nations rise and fall...and your fall is near i just hope I'm around to see it
It s not only hezbolla who will defend lebanon from israeli attacks, we lebanese have a long history in fighting occupiers and we will pay our lives to defend our lands against any attack. You have arms but we have dignity and we have paid and ready to pay more to keep each meter of our Dear Lebanon. Once you finish from hezbolla you will find other and other parties.
I agree entirely with you if can apply as well to Israel. Get the culprit who launced the missile into civilian area of Palestine and Libanon, arrest them after a proper inestigation and send them to LeHague to face charges for war crimes.
Maybe your women and children would be safer if you didn't strap bombs to them, use them to lure soldiers closer to shooters, or actually upheld any one of the dozens of deals your people actually signed on to. Your leadership demands UN resolution 242 to be implemented by Israel (which requires all attacks on Israel to be halted, and it to be fully recognized), then your leadership demands the State be destroyed. Your arrogance is only accentuated when you "think" you have chosen the winner who will protect you, only to be cheated by them - Arafat, Saddam, Arab League members, and now Hizbollah. You've been thrown out of many countries for your arrogance. They hate you in the Gulf, and Lebanon offers you NO rights in their society. Throughout the years, you've targeted our civilians, as they slept, from 1913 until today. Do not think today is different from yesteryear. You will still live in garbage unless you negotiate honestly and stop your goal to destroy Israel.
'unknown' i wish you safety in the short-term, and peace and a beatiful country in the long term. may G-d watch over you.
To all Iranians and Syrians who say they simply want to live in peace.... In recent interviews with London's muslim newspaper, Iran officials have said they are indeed using Hizbollah and Syria as a front to attack Israel, and destroy it. The suspected UAV launched against the Israeli warship turned out to be an Iranian missile launched with the help of revolutionary guards, inside Lebanon. Syria states absolute help and support for Hizbollah, most in part because Iran and Syria signed a security pact in June 2006. Think this little episode wasn't planned? The Hizbollah attack occurred suspiciously right before the G8 summit, which was to focus on Iran's nuclear program, and sanctions! Thousands rally in support for attack son Israel, in Iraq, Iran, and throughout Syria. The same sentiment that precluded the 1967 War. If you only want peace, you have a funny way of showing it. Funny how no one believes you. And the Palestinians...no one believes or cares at this point
Just in case you forgot who Israel is fighting (taken from CNN news): "In the 48 hours following the capture of the Israeli soldiers, Hezbollah launched over 700 (!!!) katyusha rockets into Northern Israel, killing 2 civilians and wounding over a hundred others. The rockets repeatedly pounded the towns of Kiryat Shemona, Safed, Rosh Pina and Nayariya."
"Israel did it on a daily bases until they got smanked on their botty. Now you have started something that you may not like the outcome from." Hezbollah launch a military attack over Israel's northern border(demarcated by the UN) kill and capture IDF soldiers (was that the botty smacking or perhaps the Grandmother with her grandson of 5years age hit by a Katyusha?). Now while Israel is getting its botty smacked Lebanon is descending towards its own ground zero and Southern Lebanon will no longer be inhabitable until Hezbolla retreat from the border. What outcome was YOU thinking of "salivating Roger"?
You should understand that Hizbullah`s aim is not to settle the israeli-palestinian conflict but to destroy Israel and to implement Islamic rule in the ME. We are in the forefront of this battle. For your own interest you should support us!
"Hezbollah started the conflict attacking military targets which is legitimate under any law when two parties at war." The initial attack took place on the military in sovereign Israeli territory. Since no previous action was made on either side, this is an unprovoked attack by Hizbollah, and most Lebanese are disgusted by it. However, when Israel began to shoot back at Hizbollah targets (even before any Lebanese civilian casualties), Hizbollah launched dozens of rockets on Israeli cities. NONE of the targets in Tzfat, Nahariya, Kyriat Shmoneh were military targets. ALL were civilians, and every building hit was a civilian one. That sparked Israel's immediate rage and attacks on supposed Hizbollah operatives, their families, and suspected rocket caches. Hizbollah targeted civilians first, making it as illegal a group as they were from the beginning. Likewise with the Palestinian who shoots up a car of women and children, and calls it "self-defense".
As a pal, have you ever protested the targeted killings of Israelis on school buses, etc.? Israel doesnt target civilians but at war civilians die, unfortunately. It is different with the pals, who target Israeli civilians.
you are as much an infidel as we are. Any attack on us is also an attack on you. Like many Europeans you simplistically think that this is an issue of "settlements", "occupation" etc. You forget that israel, jews, hebrew, jewish history, jewish calendar are every bit as middle eastern as anything arabic or islamic. If you are looking for occupation try looking at USA, Canada, NZ, Australia, all of S.America where the indigenous peoples have been swamped by settlers who have stolen their lands. Pray that israel wins and wins big because the future of the west depends on victory by israel, usa and all other western forces against the islamic fundamentalist terrorists who seek to destroy the infidels. Dont ignore the truth just because it is so awful.
"Hizbullah leaders and operatives were leaving Beirut on Saturday following a massive IAF strike on an 11-story building that served as the organization's command center, initial intelligence indicated". No matter how they try to spin it Hebollah is suffering huge loses and is it's leaders are being driven from the country as reported on chasnnel 2 above. As Arafat did they will try to spin this as somehow as victory. They won't say it but many leaders in Lebanon are very glad. Outcome: Continued Hezbollah in Lebanon but out of the south of lebanon as an armed force.
Just in case you all forgot about who it is Israel is fighting, a quote from the Wikipedia: Hezbollah has been labeled a terrorist organization by the United States the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Canada, Israel and Australia; the U.S. Department of State accuses Hezbollah of killing up to 300 American citizens (over 230 of whom were U.S Marines in Lebanon). On March 10, 2005, in a non-binding resolution, the European Parliament voted overwhelmingly (473 in favor, 8 against, 33 abstain) branding Hezbollah in whole as a terrorist organization
If you want clear proof who is in the right in this situation, just look at the facts. Israel is launching precision attacks on terrorist sites, targeting areas that will cause as little loss of life as possible. These attacks have only been launched after first being provoked. Israel's goal in the battle is merely to put an end to the fighting, and when some civilians are accidentally killed (which they always are in war), Israel appologizes. On the other hand the Hezbollah is launching missiles at populated cities, trying to KILL CIVILIANS. It would be a bit different if they were trying to take out Israeli military sites, but they are merely trying to cause as much damage as possible...
RESIGN and Let Yaalon come back!"Israel Defense Forces Chief of Staff Dan Halutz said Friday that Hezbollah has rockets with a range of up to 70 kilometers (43.5 miles) or more, an admission that brings more major cities within their range, including possibly Hadera and Netanya. This would mean that Hezbollah has rockets that could reach within 20 to 30 kilometers of Tel Aviv. Halutz also put the blame on Lebanon's government for the numerous rocket attacks on northern Israel that have killed four people
Oh please, save your comments for the arab newspapers. Why is someone like you even reading Haaretz.
As a palestinian, I disagree with targeting civilians on both sides. Hezbollah started the conflict attacking military targets which is legitimate under any law when two parties at war. Israel retaliates against helpless citizens casuing Hezbollah to return the favor. Because Israel is getting a taste of its own terror, it starts crying foul. Grow up and face Hezbollah's fighters and not inocent civilians
The mistake Israel made, in my opinion, was not in evacuating the civilian settlers from Gaza (and from the West Bank) but in evacuating the army. Until peace is achieved (which I doubt will be in my lifetime), there must be an IDF military presence in the Palestinian territories.
"Did you write that? " Yep. I did it to get the goat of the Israel-bashers. Like I do whenever they attack the security barrier - then I write, "I like my imperialist, colonialist, Zionist, apartheid, Jew-banker wall." Now on a serious note, do you have a shelter or reinforced room, and do you stay close to it? They haven't reached Kefar-Sava yet, but I imagine that as their situation gets more and more desperate they'll begin using their Iranian long-range missiles.
The Islamists do not love you either. You are also their occupied teritory. Was Spain such a strong supporter of Israel? Why do they catch Islamists wanting to blow up the Canadian Parliament and cut the Prime Ministers throat? How many terrorist attempts have there been in France.? Do not get too comfortable you might live to eat your words.
Perhaps not long-term, but now is the time to destroy Hizbollah and probably the only way to do so is a sustained ground assault. By destroying hisbollah Israel would be doing Lebanon a huge favor because Hizbollah is a curse for both Lebanon and Israel. Attacks on south Beirut should intensify. Since Israel's withdrawal in 2000 there has been no justification whatsoever for "The Party of God's" deployment along the blue line. They've been picking fights with Israel all this time merely to justify its existence much to the disconcernce of much of the Lebanese population. The Lebanese people have no reason to provoke Israel. Shaaba Farms? Just look at a map and see where this tract of land lies - it's in Golan so it's a Syrian issue - not Lebanese. What would really be sweet is for the glorious IDF to find that pig Nasrallah and literally blow that thing to bits. I'd pay top dollar for a DVD showing that!! lol
Yeah sure. Very wishful thinking. Look what happened in Gush Katif and Amona. We gave our land and now they are shooting rockets from the roofs of what were once Jewish homes.
Israel will not negotiate!
Did you write that?
Wow what a great solution, and while we`re waiting for "justice to be served" imagine how many innocent civilians would be killed in Israel?
What a stupid comment. You should do your homework and realize that those so called "territories" are actually palestinian occupied territory. They need to get out, that is Jewish land.
You are right. People like the ones you described simply hate the Jewish people and are always trying to blame Israel for everything. 1. the so called "Palestinian" arab conflict 2. Gas prices rising and so on
I just wrote a similar e-mail. That`s right Hesbolla is responsible and deserves whatever coming to them. This idiot Stephen Murray doesn`t know what he`s talking about.
Very nice for you to say. I happen to live in the Haifa area, and this is not fun, being nervous everytime you hear something in the air. How can you can Attack on Haifa is justified. Stay out of problems that don`t concern you, stay in your safe marijuana smoking country Amsterdam and mind your own business.
It's completely justified what is happening to israleians because when Israel decides to respond to armed operations by civilians attacks then he would expect the same for his civilians. We believe that all civilians lives are equal whatever are their religions and hitting lebanese children means that Israel took the decision that human lives have no price so LET'S BE IT.
I see from your postings that you are a proud European. Well, Europe has been the most murderous continent for the last 1000years. Only in the last 60years did you finally learn to live in peace (thanks to the excesses of your parents/grandparents). So please don't moralise. We don't live in Europe, we cannot afford to be Switzerland. Didn't you notice the neighborhood we live in?
"Israel could have avoided all this mess (and removed the carpet from under Hizbolla`s feets) by freeing all the Lebanese prisoners when it had the chance to do so, you know, during the last exchange." Why? Do you free convicted murderers because of!! blackmail? Samir Kuntar is a Murderer not a freedom fighter! He entered a young family's home and murdered the father and his 2 young daughters aged 5 and 2. Why should he be freed? To encourage potential murderers knowing nothing will happen to them because the hezbullah will come to their rescue? Samir Kuntar deserves to rot in prison!
And now for a note of levity: There's no terrorists Like dead terrorists. There's none better I know. Try not just to shoot them in the shoulder; Better try to shoot them in the head. Otherwise they'll come back acting bolder, So better shoot, shoot them till they're dead! There's no terrorists Like dead terrorists. They die, faces aglow. They know when they get to Heaven they'll be met By a bunch of virgins with lips all wet. Help them in their great endeavor, don't regret! Make their corpses pile up like snow, And off to Heaven they'll go!
Continuing my postings #94-95, Israel can only hope that by determined, restrained and continued pressure, taking due caution to limit civilian casualties (for the above-mentioned reasons), Israel will be allowed sufficient time by the world community to weaken the Hezbollah sufficiently, so as to allow the Lebanese government to free itself of Syrian and Iranian influence via their proxy Hezbollah; and to weaken the Hamas sufficiently so as to allow saner heads (if there are any such) in the PA to gain control. In the end, the limiting factor now seems to be the skyrocketing price of oil and the collpase of world stock markets, which may cause the US. the EU and all the other honorable men (so are they all, all honorable men) to pressure Israel into ceaasing its military actions before its goals have been attained, under the pretext that there have been too many civilian casualties.
"I am disgusted by the great loss of life." Does that include Israeli life as well, or are Israelis, particularly Jews, considered by you as subhuman? When I see your name (Polish? Ukrainian:) and remember the deeds perpetrated by your ancestors against mine, I suspect the latter to be true.
I was there a few months ago. Go to Ashrafiya - the christian sector - and see how many posters there are of gemayel and the Kata'ib symbol, a mixture of a cross and dagger and tell me the Kata'ib are no longer a force. It is simply a different enemy, was the PLO before it is Hizbollah now.
pulling out of Lebanon to the millimeter was such a roaring success. We have Hizbollah inventing an issue - the Shebaa Farms - which no one but no one(with the exception of the wilfully ignorant) agrees belongs to Lebanon, not even Syria. Gaza withdrawal led to more rockets and more attacks. Why would pulling out of the Shebaa Farms - part of the Golan - and the Golan bring peace? Why would pulling out of the West Bank bring peace - given the Hamas government has EXPLICTLY refused to accept an Israel within 1949 borders? For years we heard end the occupation and you'll get peace. Gaza and Lebanon shows what a pack of lies that was.
the thousands killed in Sabra and Shatilla that were killed by Lebanese? Or the lies about about the "massacre" in Jenin - 53 dead, vast majority "militants"? Massacre in Ramallah, this is a new one, must have missed that one in the liesRus website - maybe you mean the two unarmed soldiers beaten to death by a Palestinian mob? Must have missed the "thousands" massacred in Gaza too.
It is absolutley incredilbe to read about how there really is a double standard for Israel and the rest of the world. If any other country's soldiers were kidnapped and rockets fired on them they would do what Israel is doing but for some reason we are supposed to just sit here. Afraid not; we are like any other country and thank g-d we now have power. People hated the Jews when we didn't have power and now they hate the Jews because we have power. Just amazing. Our international borders were violated. And right now left wing and right wing Israelis are united in striking back as hard as we possibly can and if the Interantional communtiy doesn't reign in Hamas and Hezbolla it will only get worse for them.
Hizbollah is a mortal danger to Israel. It is telling that on the whole, the reaction from foreign governments has been quite muted. Regardless of what you think, Saudi opinion counts. You are mistaken if you think that Israel has any plans along the ones in 1982. I do know for a fact that people are extremely angry and the country is united. These episodes prove that the previous approach to problems facing Israel were wrong-headed. Israel had given on several occasions something for nothing. In my opinion, it will be a long time before Israel can trust the Palestinians again.
Casualties in Israel have been very light; only a few killed. This is pretty modest compared to 1973 when Syria and Egypt lauched a joint surprise attack with 4800 tanks and a million soldiers. Israel will easily bat away the current aggression. The key to victory is the elimination of Bashir Assad and the entire Alawite Baathist party in Syria. The Alawites comprise only 10% of the population, yet rule the 90% Sunni majority with an iron fist. Once the Alawites (a Shia sect) are driven from power, the Shia of Lebanon will also be forced to accomodate the Christian, Sunni, and Druze majority in Lebanon. -Bloomfield-
For sure every human being share your tears for lost innocent lives. The mere thinking that Jews can't be compassionate to other's suffering is offensive and antisemitic. The fact is we must interrogate orselves with the roots of this bloodshed. I am fully persuaded the Arabs are guilty for never having recognized the natural right of the Jewish people to his own land in Eretz Israel. Many Israeli leaders, to the contrary, tried agreements, treaties, unilateral retreats, to the purpose of ensuring the birth of the Palestinian Nation, while at the same time the security of the Israeli people.
Hezbollah isn't entitled to anything. They are terrorists without a true cause. BTW, the match was great; your team was fantastic, you deserved to win.
The difference is under everyone's eyes: Pakistan IS INDEED EFFECTIVELY ACTING against Al Qaeda: often we read and hear news of fightings, killings, strikings at terrorists sanctuaries in the caves located at the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan. Lebanon, to the contrary, DID NOTHING to implement the UN resolution that DICTATED disarmament of all the militias.
Ron, there is nothing more flatulent than the endless repetition of juvenile fantasies of invulnerability and omnipotence. Your fantasies.
My dutch uncle, Cipora, had far more reason than those who are advocating a redux of 1981 when the tactical and strategic situation far less favor Israel than they did then. In 1981 the fascist Christian Phelange was a power in Lebanon, rather than a ghost. The range of weapons available to forces hostile to Israel were far shorter. Those forces were far less entrenched in Lebanon. Israel was far more inclined to attack those forces than the rest of Lebanon than now, and thus had far more chance to depose them.
Yes, the Shebaa Farms are, as UN have statued, occupied Syrian territory; so, why are Lebanese Hezbollah entitled to "legitimate resistance"? more - how are they legitimated to hit Israel not on the disputed territory, but in Israel proper, with cross-border intruding, cross-border rocket launching, cross-border kidnappings: this is not resistance, this is terrorism! BTW, I think Germany vs. Italy was the most beatiful football match in the world championship. I think Germany deserved to be finalist. Best luck to you next time!
of loosing a chance!I address to # 25 (George): in 2000, Barak offered to Arafat (may his memory be erased) 97% of Yehuda & Shomron + 100% of Gaza Strip + exchange of territories (land compensation inside Israel pre-1967 in exchange for major settlements in Yesha) + Palestinian ruling over East Jerusalem + shared sovereignity over the Temple Mount... The answer was Palestinians wanted more, nonsense pretenses of return (in Israel - not in the new Palestinian State) of 1948 refugeees and their offsprings, by the millions, and this would only have put the end to the Jewish State. The Arabs started this bombs, rockets, suicide bombings, bulletts, kidnappings "intifada" despite any effort to a peaceful agreement! Now face the consequenses!
Since Lebanon is a cesspool. Why not empty Israels prisoners into Lebanon. Hezbollah gets what they want. If the fighting continues - Daisy Cutter.....
once again the Zionist extortionists go to work to balckmail the world and the Jews abroad, once again tell us how sad the boy and his grandma! This time is different, this time your sons and civilians will die too, not just ours...the 50, 60s, 70s, 80s are gone for good, now we retaliate to your crimes. As Sayyed Nasrallah said:" you will pay for your arrogance and terrorism"
We got a whole lotta trash talkin going on by leaders in Iran, Syria, and N. Korea... looks like the axis' of evil are being stirred up.. perhaps because they see their end is near? wassssup? Looks like this rein of terror just may very well be coming to an end and they have figured it out so there going all out to destroy as much as they can before the other shoe falls.. yep, civilians... I do believe something is up allright.. and as the days unfold we will all be aware of just what is going to happen. Iran, Syria and Korea may not be as safe as they are presuming.. no one screams that loud without a reason.. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
yeah right you know to say two totally innocence victims. what about thousands totally victims you had slughtered in sabra, shatilla , jenin, beirut ramallah, gaza
One could only fall off his chair from laughing when he hears statements like "Amsterdam will be taken by Muslims" especially when comming from an Israeli. And if it were not so tragic, it would almost be funny to follow that absurdity with comments like "the Jews will get the last laug" Rachel, unlike the Netherland, the Jews of the Middle east are a minority rulling over an Arab majority. It is a known fact that Arabs are a majority between the Jordan river and the sea. What up and smell the coffee, Rachel.
If the whole world would realize that, where there is war, there is muslams . Death, vengeance, power, brainwashing, suicide bombers.Give a muslam an inch and he will become an invader .
No, Michael, the UN does not say the Shebaa Farms belong to Israel. The UN says that the Farms belong to Syria. Israel also says the Farms belong to Syria. Syria on the other hand says the Farms belong to Lebanon. No nation on the earth, including Israel, says that the Farms are Israeli territory. Glad to have had the chance to teach you someyhing new today... you're welcome.
Yeah right, Isaac! And before Israel captured these areas in defensive wars they were not attacked by the Arabs. Oh yeah! Israel has been attacked by the Arabs since before 1948. There goes your theory. Maybe you should admit to yourself that the attacks have nothing to do with disputed territory, but with the hope of completely destroying Israel.
WOW ! you wish that Amsterdam is bombed by terrorists just to make a point ?! well, that goes in line with Isreal massive unproportional bombing to .. also make a point. WOW, is this the democracy you're bringing to the middle east ? allow me to throw up ! Israel could have avoided all this mess (and removed the carpet from under Hizbolla's feets) by freeing all the Lebanese prisoners when it had the chance to do so, you know, during the last exchange. In the end, Israel will negatioate an exchange, tsk tsk, all this for nothing, and once again the big bully is loosing face.
If you understand that we all should stop this, become mature.. We need to creat one state call it isreal/palistine whatever.. I am sick of hearing this crap, I think that both IDF and the goverment should not be funded by my dollars and I will vote that way for the rest of my life all they do is create hate and when you create hate thats what happens look how england helped squealch the IRA through PEACE, once isreal disarms it nukes I would be happy to find a more tolerable solution until then I hope they make more drones and destroy the toys MY COUNTRY GAVE YOu YOU DO NOT DESERVE TO USE THEM!
of why israel has to show some restraint against it's wishes to annihilate its neighbors and cousins. However, would have to disagree on your claim that PA is not occupied, although captive is probably more accurate.
I just wish my country would stop funding isreal and focus on ourselves.. Cut off from the hand that feeds you
it is sad to see how this is coming down, when it seems that Hizbollah and Israel enact policies that mirror each other. No lebanese civilian wants this war. If israel's goal is to have it out with hizbullah, that is all well, but why ruin a peaceful nation that really wants nothing to do with this. Why destroy the infrastructure? Hizullah are not the ones being punished here, it is the lebanese people who just want to have a life. If israel is truly intent on crushing hizbullah - they should be more circumspect and studious about it, as opposed oppressing an entire nation. Hizbullah is Israel's mess not Lebanon's. Lebanon and its people are hostage to Hizbullah and Israel. In order to win the lebanese over, Israel will really need to make the effort of fighting a just cause and a just war. After all, it is Israel that needs to earn the respect. It has more to lose than hizbullah. Israel is a nation, and should act as such. Hizbullah is a militia.
STOP CURING THE SYMPTOMS AND START CURING THE ILLNESS... You guys just repeat the words of your officials; you do believe everything they say!! You do not understand Palestinians nor Lebanese, they didn?t just go crazy and decided to attack Israel for no reason. It is unwise to think that using excess power will solve everything, it never did and it will never do; not when the other side has lost rights at least. You are just planting haltered by killing more people, killing parents(and much more than they do) in Gaza and Lebanon whose children will want to come back for revenge. You are only creating more enemies everyday. Instead you should act responsible and civilized and give people their rights, release the 10,000 Arab prisoners, give Palestinians their rights. Then there can be peace. And you can be a great and honest nation. PLEASE OPEN YOUR EYES AND START TO UNDERSTAND THIS
I've skimmed through most of these posts but sorry if any of this is repetitive. Someone is bound to bring this point up in response to some of these interesting posts. If you really think that all Israel has to do is give some territories up and the end result will be peace...haven't you already seen that when Israel gives them an inch they take a mile? We've tested this theory already. We're dealing with people who celebrate every Jewish death, whereas any civilian death is always admitted as regrettable by the Israeli government. The diplomatic response works for only so long. By secretly digging tunnels and kidnapping defenders of Israel, they gave us a push. Now we're pushing back. Harder.
Go right at the terrorists, there are 9000 of them in prisons now. Line up 1000, samir kuntar as number one, and prepare to execute them. An ultimatum of one day to release the three soldiers or they won't see that first 1000 alive. No need for large military actions over here, no need to go into Lebanon or Gaza. No trading or discussing with these people. They feel they can kidnap 1 man and negotiate the release of 1000? Use that against them.
How can't you see what's going on in Lebanon. I can say something to you which i know for sure. If you really wonna stay in Israel, you will have neighbours who would hate your guts forever and will wait for an opportunity for revenge. This is what you will get after bombing other peoples' country ,land ,and people. Israel is the terrorist country not lebanon, because Israel is the country who produced terrorists due to the war crimes it committed for the last 50 years. Wake up !
I weep for all those who are victims and I value all life. It's terrible that the good folks in Lebanon aren't able to throw off the yoke of Syria and Iran (Hezbollah) but I have a feeling the Israeli's are going to help them with that problem in the coming weeks. As to the Palestinians, their leaders are far more responsible for their plight than the Israeli's. Instead of building up their society they are playing the blame game - nobody else if responsible for their problems except the Israeli's. They teach their children to kill and Hamas and Hezbollah are committed to the destruction of Israel. Guess what - they won't succeed. If those who want to kill Israeli's decide to have peace their children will grow up in a different world. For now their will be lots of problems. A question - what do you think would happen if the Pals had a nuke? They would be happy to exterminate another 6 million Jews. That's what Iran is building up to and why Israel is fixing things.
What a moronic statement you make. Both Hezbollah and Hamas are sworn to the destruction of Israel and are members of their respective governments. It's payback time - don't you get it!!! Israel exsist, is a real country and has had enough. Non Dutch England
yeah right isaac, maybe israel should also get out of ramle or beer sheva. that would definetly make it a safer place.
yeah right isaac, maybe israel should also get out of ramle or beer sheva. that would definetly make it a safer place.
If Iran had any interest about keeping muslims out of harms way, they would hand back the Lebanon, Gaza, and Sinai to their respective owners. Then they can focus on protecting their sovereign territory. But much to their surprise, they wouldn`t need to keep on a knife-edge - handing back the territory would mean an end to Israel expantion - and peace with the US . Isn`t that worth it?
If israel had any interest about keeping it's citizens out of harms way, they would hand back the West Bank, Golan Heights, and Sheeba Farms to their respective owners. Then they can focus on protecting their sovereign territory. But much to their surprise, they wouldn't need to keep on a knife-edge - handing back the territory would mean an end to suicide bombings and rocket attacks - and peace with the Arab world. Isn't that worth it?
I share your sorrow for this innocent child and his grandmother. Do you share my sorrow for the thousands of innocent Palestinian and Lebanese children and their parents and grandparents who have been murdered by israel in just the past few years? Or is it only Jewish 5 year olds you care about?
The goal of this campaign is the total elimination of Hezbollah as a threat to Israel's security. That goal may never be fully achieved, but its attempt is laudable. The whole world is fighting terrorists. No other nation in the world would tolerate dozens of missiles being launched into them without a response. No nation would tolerate a break of its border, murder, and kidnapping of its soldiers. But israel isn't the rest of the world is it? It is special beyond words. Israel must remain steadfast and must avail itself of every advantage that it has. The time is now.
Like many in Europe and across the Muslim World, you seem to be very insecure with a well-armed Israeli Jewish Army that will do its job -protect the State of Israel, her inhabitants and Jews everywhere from the actions of these cosetted terrorist organizations no matter who shelters them. Get used to it - Jews have stopped cowering and huddling and hoping for mercy from a world that has none. We do it ourselves as humanely as possible, weep for our lost ones and for those who got caught in the whirlwind - then we move on and live. If only the other side would consider the same options....
For Mark Lincon, You are wrong. Israel will not stop until Hezbollah is out of southern Lebanon. A demilitarized zone or re-occupation by the Lebanese army will do the trick. This is war, not a school yard fight. You forget it is Israels restraint not its lack of ability that has stopped them up till now. With this fireworks show by Hezbollah and Hamas Israel is now fighting to protect its sovereign boarders. Wait and see the tipping point has been reached. Paybacks a bitch! Non Dutch England
Lebanon is a different case from the PA. Lebanon is considered a sovereign state (though it is only partially so, being still under Syrian and in part Iranian influence). Therefore Lebanon can be held responsible for all acts of hostility against Israel originating from within its territory. Therefore, Israel is legally allowed, under the Geneva Conventions, to take military action against Lebanon which it is not allowed to take against the PA (see my previous posting). Even so, Israel is limited in its freedom of action for the same reasons I stated in my previous posting, namely, not arousing the ire of the eu, EU, its chief trading partner, or the US, its chief supplier of advanced weapons systems and its main source of supprt at the UN. Therefore Israel is taking extreme (some would say exaggerated) care not to harm civilian populations or destroy any more of Lebanese infrastructure than it can get away with,
Many of those sympathizing with Israel have advised extremes steps against the Palestinians, such as carpet bombing civilian neighborhoods, cutting off all water and electricity and cutting off all fuel. I admit that I too have been guilty of such writings, in my anger against the Palestinians. However, Israel cannot do all it needs to do or would like to do. This is in part because of the various Geneva Conventions, which Israel cannot afford to violate; in part because the Palestiniian Authority is not a sovereign state but still to a great extent under Israeli control (some would say "occupation", but this is not correct, as there was any independent Palestinian state, so the PA cannot be technically considered as "occupied"). Another factor limiting Israeli actions is that it cannot afford to antagonize the European Union, its chief trading partner, or the United States, its chief supplier of much of Israael's advanced weapons systems and its chief source of support at the UN.
Israel is to blame for allowing a body of agression fastering in the northener border going unchecked. Hizballah's motives and intentions were never a secret, but when you have people so thirsty for power like Iraeli politicians they promise peace to the Jews,and they forget reason and judgement. And they gave 6 years for Hizballah to built to this extension. Now the Jews pay the price for choosing the easy road; and for politicians buying time at the expense of Jewish lives. The Muslim made their voice clear, they want nothing short of the Inahalation of the Jews, lets stop dancing arround and lets finish this once and for all.
The problem with your dutch uncle is that he has two hands, but no head. Obviously perfection cannot be achieved, but one should strive for some measure of justice. Lebanon deserves to be free of Hizbollah, and Israel deseerves to be free of Hizbollah. The sooner the world community understands this, the sooner peace will have a cance in the ME. It always amazes me that peace advocates think that peace can be achieved with terror groups who terrorise their own populations. Syria was forced out of Lebanon, but only after Chirac's close friend, Hariri was murdered by Syrian intelligence. They should have been forced out much earlier, together with Hizbollah. You know very well that Iran is behind all of this, so please do not get advice from your dutch uncle.
i live 6 lm. from the Lebanese border, and the Hizbollah sees me eating my corn flakes if they wish. When israel left Lebanon 6 years ago, it was agreed by all sides(including U.N.) that the Lebanese Border with Israel should be manned by Lebanese soldiers. Where were they.Really I feel sorry for the loss of innocent lives. Hoever I do not hear so much comments of people killing their brethren every day. The number of those dead innocents does not compare with number kiled by israel in Lebanon or Gaza. it would help if the Arabs would not use innocent citizens as living shields.
Stop presenting Hizbollah, the party of god, as some well meaning liberation organization. They do not represent the interests of the Lebanese people. They are a terror organization, and a proxy of Iran. Lebanon would have nothing to fear of Israel were it not for the provocations of murderous Hizbollah. Even Arab governments do not defend this gang of murderers.
Stephen, you are absolutely right, Hezbollah is fully entitled to respond to the response from Israel. A government is always responsible to respond when its land or citizens are being bombarded. Of course, that is why Israel attacked. However, being that Hezbollah feels the need to respond to a retalitory response, well then that is an open declaration of war, in which case and very sadly there will be continued sustained onslaughts from both sides until one prevails or taps out. That is why this situation sucks so much!
HOW COME ISRAEL DOES NOT HAVE ANY DEFENSE AGAINST THE ROCKETS, KAYATUSHAS, QUASSAMS, ETC? WHY ARE THEY SITTING DUCKS? YOU WOULD THINK THAT THE IDF KNOWING THAT HIZBULLA IS SITTING WITH 12000 ROCKETS, ETC. WOULD HAVE DEVELOPED SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEUTRALIZE THEM IN MID-FLIGHT OR AT BEST SEND THEM BACK WHERE THEY CAME FROM. I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT THE USA ALSO HAS NO DEFENSE MECHANISIMS SETUP TO NEUTRALAIZE THESE ROCKETS. IF ANYONE KNOWS PLASE RESPOND EUGENE CANADA
I have a hard time understanding why the world isn't beating the tar out of the insame morons in Hamas/Hezbollah for their attacks on Israel. THEY instigated this, probably via their masters in Syria and Iran. They killed soldiers and kidnapped others to try and force the release of their kin who murdered other innocents! Some of the nut-jobs in the EU and even in America want Israel to back down and give in again to the terrorists and I am glad you are fighting back against these muslim fanatics. It's clear that the EU folks want nothing other than Israel to go away so they can keep getting cheap arab oil. Here's a news flash - the islamofascists are going after you next. I applaud Israel taking this stance on this war of civilizations. Here's hoping the innocents on both sides won't have to suffer much. As I said, I have a 5 year old son and I grieve for the boy and his grandmother who were killed in their home by an Iranian rocket fired by Hezbollah from Lebanon.
Actually Peter, the Dutch had 50,000 volunteers to the SS, they were organized into two divisions, the 23. Freiwilligen-Panzergrenadier-Division "Nederland" and the 34. Waffen-Grenadier-Division Der SS "Landstorm Nederland". And next I'll get to the concept that you actually believe the current Dutch and Scandinavians were the original natives or were later migrants who the natives welcomed with open arms.
One day as I was walking past my enemy's house with whom I have fought with many times before came out and slap me in the face. Now I thought to myself what should I do? I decided not to turn the other cheek, because I am not christian and because I did not want the other cheek slapped. Should I slap him back? A better thought, but I did that in the past and it did not deter him from slapping me today. So I decided to put most of my fighting knowledge to work and began to beat and pummel him. Now you must understand something, my enemy is a small, cowardly person and is no match to my brutal strength. As I was beating him his wife shouts to me. Stop, he only slapped you, why must you use your big muscles. It's not fair, he does not have big muscles. I ignored her. She continued to scream stop as I used martial arts to break his bones and rip he scrawny muscles. Lesson: Do not start up with someone stronger than you and don't expect him to listen to your crying wife.
Of they are justified in attacking Haifa, they are at war you fool. But your statement also indicates Israels justification for slamming the Lebanese. One thng youre failing to note you schmuck is that Hezbollah and their supportive Lebanese declared war on Israel the moment they shot the first bullet at the soldiers on Wednesday. Supremely justified is Israel in defending itself from attack with as much force as necessary to bring back its soldiers and stop the rockets. Youre just another antisemite.
Shame Israel killed brazilians in south Lebanon,and forgot who kill dies too.
How does Mr. Murray justify attacks on Haifa? Has he ever been there? Haifa is the one city in Israel where Jews, Muzlims, Bahai, Christians and Jews live in peace with each other. The conclusions I come to is that Hizzbollah couldn't care less whom they kill. If their rockets destroy Muzlims, they can always say the Israelis did it. From where in the Qu'run they get these ideas, not only baffle me, a Jew, but many Muslims as well.
Yes you are right. The attack was in self defence. Now the Isrealians have an opportunity of getting a solution to this problem. Wipe them out and the problem will be solved. We should have done this to Hitler. Oh yes after WW2 2.5 million ethnic Germans were deported from Czechoslovakia. we lived with it. Now the Palestinians will be kaput. End of their misery. I say go Isreal go. Get rid of your problems. This is a cancerous growth and must be excised! Long live Germany , Australia and Israel.
Israel are working as a defence!!!
I don't think yo get it. The Taliban could hand over or expel Osama, they chose not to and faced the consequences. Lebanon (the country, the government) does not have the power to disarm/destroy Hezbollah. In fact, the people/government have been moving in the pro-West and Anti-Syrian direction over the last couple of years. A better analogy would be the following: We know there are AlQuida in Pakistan, should we attack Pakistan b/c they have not been able to totally destroy all of AlQuada and find Osama in the mountains near Afghanistan? Pakistan and Lebanon both have pro-Western governments...well maybe Lebanon won't be so pro-Western anymore
If the Lebanese so proudly support and defend the hate mongering Hezbollah who have declared open war on Israel, then the Lebanese declare war on Israel as well. It is time to disable the enemy once and for all.
"all foreign influences should be thrown out." No more American movies, no more jeans? NO more IAF bombing civilians? Or did you mean that when they asked Syria to leave they should have thought of Iran aswell, because after all they wanted the Lebanese to be defnceless? Well now all they got is the Hezbollah to defend them and to throw out the Zionists. They miss the Syrians already.
Every one knows that Israel is the strongest in the middle east, but at the same time Israel is the most arrogant and most wrong. Arrogance killed Hitler and the Natzi's, killed Japanese in world war II, killed the Americans in Vitnam, and that might kill Israel in the mud of the middle east! Israel servival is going to depend on its respect of Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians,... The strong army helps to win a batle here or there, but it does bring peace to Israel!
Cipora, my dutch uncle used to say "shit in one hand, wish in the other, see which gets full first." Your vision of a perfect Lebanon is about as real as Bush's vision of the perfect Iraq.
Hezbollah will not disarm, ever. When are countries (the U.S. and Isreal) going to realize that things are much different now than they were decades ago. You can never "totally destroy" Hezbollah, Hamas, Al Quaida, or any other terrorist group. It is not a country, or a land, or a finite group. It is a movement that has new people coming into it every single day. In fact, it should be obvious to rationale people that aggresive and oppresive behavior actually creates more members of these groups. It turns moderates into extremists. Look at Iraq, look at Palestine, look at Hezbollah. So what do you when "a group" attacks you? Notice I said "group" b/c it is not a country that attacked you, but certain elements in that country. Well, you try to be as specific as possible in retaliating against that group, being careful not to create a bigger problem than you had before. Don't the Isrealis understand that THERE ARE INFINITE NUMBERS OF SUICIDE BOMBERS.
Here's an analogy for those who don't get it. The US reponded with an attack on Afghanistan because it harbored the terrorists who struck on 9/11. Why can't the Israeli's respond in the same way since Lebanon harbors terrorists. Who determines what is an "appropriate" response. Terrorism needs to be stopped no matter what.
Assuming the veracity of the rumored Israeli nuclear stockpile, I believe that the Israelis are showing remarkable restraint. French President Chirac has questioned the motive of the Israelis. I suggest that if the Israelis intended to destroy the country of Lebanon, they would have already done so. Since that is not the case, I also believe that the stated intention of the Israelis, to disarm the Hezbollah and to rescue their kidnapped citizen-soldiers, should be taken at face value. I recall a quote(I paraphrase) "repeating the same mistake expecting different results is the definition of insanity" which leads me to conclude that the militants and their supporters must have a death wish. The solution is simple-return the kidnapped soldiers to their families and convince the militants to lay down their arms.
Israel left Lebanon and attacks on Israel continued from Lebanon. Israel left Gaza and attacks continued to come from there also. If Israel leaves the West Bank, it is reasonable to assume that attacks on Israel will be launched from there also. I would like to see a negotiated peace between Israel and all her neighbors, but I don't see how that is possible when Hamas and Hezbolla want only the complete destruction of the Israeli nation.
And the time is coming ...Isreal has showed all its arsenal against us , the civilians , christians and muslims , and you have made of us ONE people , u have made of us LEBANESE again ...Thank IDF , thank u .... Now Christians are more then ever with Hezbollah ...HAifa , JErsualem and tel aviv , u are next ...Just remember ...When hezbollah Chief say something will happen , it always happens ...Hes not saddam hussein ! hes sayed hassan nassrallah ! we are not egyptions , we are not jordanians , we are not Saudis ! we are not cowards !!! WE ARE LEBANESE ... God bless u all ! and God protect us ! and good night Jerusalem "persecutor of the world"
Damn, I simply didn't want to argue anymore. But my hatred against stupid and arrogant Berlin-Germans urges me to: IF YOU ARE A GERMAN, FRITZ, AND IF YOU CONSIDER HEZBOLLAH TO BE DANGEROUS, THEN ASK THE IDF IF YOU CAN JOIN THEM AND MAKE IT BETTER AS A SOLDIER. And stop this silly calcultion about 1:1 and so on. Of course, it is sad, that civilians die etc. But you know as well as I that Israel and even european leftists share some damned humanist values, values that simply so not exist in the most important currents of Islam. You saw it in Zidane's doing on the TV: insulting one's mother is a reason for physical violence. He said sorry to the children, but did not see that HIS DOING was disproportionate. The muslims in the Arab world die already because of their strange ethics and without Israel interfering.
Dear Haaretz, can you please stop anyone who is destroying the moral of our brothers and sisters in this special time of Unity. Please read every singile post from this "Intelecuals" and stop them in the Name of Hashem, as well as saving your own lifes.
Barry, what you are saying about our history is simply nonsense. The nations of North-Western Europe, like the Flemish, the Netherlanders, the Danes, the Swedes and the Norse, are the original inhabitants of our countries. There were great migrations long ago, but our nations did never annihilate any other nation. Assimilation did take place, but that is a natural process. And indeed there were volunteer forces for the Waffen SS. In the Netherlands, out of a population of 8 million, only 20 thousand joined the Waffen SS. A similar number joined the resistance, and an even greater number helped to hide Jews, provide them with food, etc. to keep them out of the hands of the Nazis.
The fish stinks from the head down. The leadership of Hizbollah must agree to disarm, and they must agree to leave the country. Lebanon must be given back to the Lebanese. Lebanon should become a neutral country, like Switzerland, and all foreign influences should be thrown out.
will have to heel before any peace in the region, so the deeper inflicted ones will take longer. Israel should rememeber this, why is it that everybody learns from mistakes, but Israel???
This must be american/israeli concept of democracy and dialogue.
Yonaton, Please tell me when the Palestinians or the Lebanese carried out a "massivbe" attack on Israel. Yet, I can list many incidents where the IDF killed scores of Palestinians and Lebanese. Shame on you. Please read up on the Geneva Conventions and what is and is not permissible in an ostensibly democratic country. I am disgusted by the great loss of life.
To have the phalange back in the Presidential Palace and the Hezbollah wiped out. Anything less is unacceptable.
Khaled, I'm afraid you are right. The problem is that Hizbollah is so engrained in Lebanon that it is impossible to hit them without collateral damage. However, the average Lebanese should be able to see that Israel did nothing recently to warrant the assault by the Hizbollah terrorists. Hizbollah is already successful in Lebanon politically and socially, they really don't need the military wing as it is just an excuse for killing Jews.....just like Hamas.
You said that the Arabs don't get it. I don't think that you get it either. You wrote that occupying countries were kicked out from the lands they were occupying. Let's not forget that Israel is an occupier country that has moved close to half a million of its citizens into the lands of another people. When is Israel going to join the nations that learned, often to their discomfort, that they cannot forever maintain an occupation without suffering adverse consequences? And when is Israel going to learn that massive attacks on other peoples will only increase hatred and an increasing chance that Israel will suffer. Finally, it must be remembered that had not Israel occupied Lebanon for many years, there would be no Hezbollah just as would there be no Hamas were Israel not occupying the West Bank and Gaza. Occupation, whether it is by Israel or by the US in Iraq is wrong.
Hi David Due to the explosion, only bits and pieces remained in the tank itself and the rest was spread over a huge area, because th area isn't secured the collecting of the rest of the soldiers are hard if not impossible without a ground offensive securing the area, but Israel see this as a trap, thus the rotting corpses and the stray dogs dinners. It's sad but it is the reality of war.
Suggest you learn your history...you sound very young.
After Israel?s withdrawal from Lebanon, U.N. Security Council Resolution 1559 demanded that Lebanese authorities disarm the terrorist group. Not only did Beirut ignore that resolution, today Hezbollah is in the Lebanese government.
"Hezbollah provoked this but the Israeli reaction means that the escalation in the situation is Israel`s responsibility". How cute! I guess Israel has to stay nice and idle while its soldiers get kidnapped as bargaining chips, its inhabitants are bombarded by daily rockets, and its neighbours fund organizations dedicated to its destruction for it to be in the right in the eyes of Europe. A robber steals something and, in policemen trying to catch him, a firefight breaks out killing a bystander. Who is in the wrong, the policemen or the robber? Only in this case, the robber is funded by two states, harboured by another, and has over 10,000 rockets pointed straight at you. Wake up and stop concealing your ideological blindness with weak, convenient rhetoric.
To my Belgian friend, interesting that you mention Holland, Sweden and Norway the land of Quislings. The reason they are reasonably peaceful now is that they annhilated the populations living there beforehand and assimilating the remainder many, many years ago. But in more recent times, those three nations mentioned had huge volunteer forces for the Waffen SS, for that matter so did your country, I know that personally as my father was from Namur and he somehow survived the war in your G-d forsaken land. A European telling a Jew about international law it would be a joke if it were not so sad.
by the IAF. I like all you clueless Zionists that bring this matter up. 'The breaching of sovereign borders'. Israel did it on a daily bases until they got smanked on their botty. Now you have started something that you may not like the outcome from.
i think no one is better placed than us lebanese to judge if we were not able to get rid of hizbullah when we had the chance to do it peacefully then lets hope israel will do my country is being destroyed at least if we get rid of hizbullah we know it will be the last time, re-building it will never be a problem we already did it numerous times hoping to avoid additional innocent casualties from both sides
Despite the words of many commentators on these blogs, Israel is very much concerned with killing any civilians that's why they are warned before attacks, otherwise, there would be tens of thousands of attacks. If Israel behaved similarly to their Arab enemies, specifically targeting civilians, there would be hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties. But the wars would cease once and for all, because the Arabs would fully understand their situation.
You have got to be kidding man. I am so sick and tired of hearing how sorry everyone is for these people. These ARE NOT Lebenese civilians, or syrian civilians or even Iranian civilians....THESE ARE TERRORISTS.....and the only way to respnd is to punish ANY and ALL countries who promote terrorism.......
According to a arabic news channel Al Jazira, the corpses have yet to be brought back. Where is our Army? Is this possible? We can't bring back our dear beloved dead soldiers?
For about a decade, there has been little threat of rockets in northern Israel. Now, there is. The current operations are supposed to suppress rocket launches. And so far it has failed. The question I pose is what is an 'acceptable' level of Explosive Hail? If it is zero, then the current operation has zero chance of achieving it.
I want to warn the readers of this forum not waste their time arguing with this person. He is littering Haaretz talkbacks for months by nonsensical comments aimed to provoke other readers. He is strongly convinced that Arabs are always right and Israel is always wrong and he won?t be persuaded by any arguments. So don?t waste your time and just ignore him.
Why would anyone be sympathetic towards Arabs is beyond me. A waste of a people
And which is your point? Do you think it is unfair for Israel not to have suffered the same number of casualties in 2005 and 2006? Israel has got many more people murdered than Madrid or London since the outbreak of the second intifada. Israel has not overreacted at all. The attacks on it are permanent. Europe is not attacked on a daily basis. I dont believe you can scare the Israelis by saying they are isolated. They are fighting for their survival.
Iran is the colonial predator and the Hizbu Allah victims do not realize it. With friends like the Iranian clerics and tryrants who needs an enemy? Somehow, the Hizbu Allah leaders should be liberated from their Iranian masters.
the bow self-proclaimed "Palestinians" are not related to the Philistines of the old times, wo were one of the "peoples of the sea", whereas the so-called "pals" are Arabs who want to wipe the Jews out of the Jews' homeland. This is the Hizbullah's goal too. The reason is that Hizbullah and the pal terrorists are on jihad. This is the only reason for their attacks on Israel.
Should Hizbullah and the PLO stay away from civilians, no civilian would be hit.
Israel rains down bombs and missiles on Gaza and Lebanon and takes the lives of countless men, women and children. Israel destroys bridges, power grids, homes and apartments. Israel uses US supplied Apache helicopters, F16s and other advanced weapons of war to level and destroy those who cannot defend themselves against the onslaught. Israel kidnaps Palestinians and Lebanese civilians but screams "foul" when three soldiers are captured. And now that Israel is feeling a bit of the type of pain that has been meted out to others, it feels wronged and that those who they attack have no right to retaliate. I am sorry that Israelis have to spend the night in shelters. Better they should demand that their country stop its terror attacks, end the vile occupation and free all prisoners. Otherwise there will be a lot more nights in shelters.
Israel rains down bombs and missiles on Gaza and Lebanon and takes the lives of countless men, women and children. Israel destroys bridges, power grids, homes and apartments. Israel uses US supplied Apache helicopters, F16s and other advanced weapons of war to level and destroy those who cannot defend themselves against the onslaught. Israel kidnaps Palestinians and Lebanese civilians but screams "foul" when three soldiers are captured. And now that Israel is feeling a bit of the type of pain that has been meted out to others, it feels wronged and that those who they attack have no right to retaliate. I am sorry that Israelis have to spend the night in shelters. Better they should demand that their country stop its terror attacks, end the vile occupation and free all prisoners. Otherwise there will be a lot more nights in shelters.
"If your housed is made of glass, you dont throw stones at your neighbors." This applies to lebanon, in the first place.
Fred, What you mention happened in 1948,1967 and 1973. The Arabs lost every time and they will lose again because the Israelis have a new secret weapon. If you wish to learn more about the weapon please give me a call. I am in the phone book.
Israel is occupying no one else's land. And you people screaming "occupation" are rather bothering. Do you know by any chance what do the Islamofascists mean by "occupation"? They say that Israel is the "occupied Palestine". Holland, Sweden or Norway may not be violating international law. But do you really think the jihadists care? In fact, the entire Europe is land they aim to conquer and submit to Islam. What do you think the murder of van Gogh was about?
The UN gave them to Israel. If Syria does not claim the area, then it is not Syrian. You stand corrected.
What about what Barak offered at Camp David? Even Sharon at one point offered most of the West Bank. If the PA could not accept the proposals, then they should have come up with a counter proposal, not more violence!
Why do you say both the Lebanese and Israel are the same? The Lebanese started it all. Who is obsessed with power then?
Thank you for all your consideration for the people of Lebanon.This is an orchestration like most satellite U.S. operations. It would be nice if Syria could use it's own people as lambs. Lebanon is no longer part of Syria. I know it is very hard to believe. How were these weapons transported I wonder? Israel probably gave them the launchers, right? All of you knobs falling in to the "Israel overeacted and Hezbollah is justfied" trap need to shhhhh! This is not Europe or the U.S.; there are nations "staging wars with no regard for the people. Why should they care, they are not their people in Lebanon, in fact a lot of them are not even Muslim. Hezbollah is not even fully supported by the Lebanon. In fact, A LOT of the people in Lebanon, don't like any of these cute green-camo folks. Syria, Hezbollah, Israel? Have any of them done anything good for the people of Lebanon. Israel has to be hard and swift, the puppeteers who are using Lebanon as playground know this. Get a clue people.
He is entitled to his opinions, no matter how ill-conceived they might be.
The attacks from Lebanon started a long time ago. The last straw was the killing of several soldiers and the kidnapping of two. this has lasted for too long, and Israel is right to retaliate. The escalation of violence is Lebanon's responsibility. The Lebanese started the hostilities. Why should Israel stay iddle? Enough is enough.
I hope Israel will defeat of its enemies. Dont be soft to the attackers.
Where is all the worlds? outrage? On both the Lebanese and Gaza borders Israel withdrew to internationally accepted lines. In response a non stop rocket attack culminating with two abductions from within Israel. Both Hezbollah and Hamas are sworn to the destruction of Israel and are members of their respective governments. The double standards and appeasement has gone on too long. It?s time that these governments take responsibility for their war mongering. Now let loses the dogs of war! Paybacks a bitch. Non Dutch England
from Miami, Fl USA - we support you !! hit them hard
have u ever visited gaza stip? have u ever seen who shots whom like birds? please wake up and try to be rational. both parties are making big mistakes. why blaming one group only?
Reason: Airport used by terrorists. Simple. Roads used by terrorists. Simple. Government will do nothing to stop terrorism. Best thing in the world is for Israel to to the dirty work. Then U.S. won't get involved. Israel has shown great restraint with number of civilians at a low, civilians who stand next to terroristst anyway. Terrorists who used schools, hospitals, etc. Terrorists are not normal people. Do you go to your local mall and think of blowing it up. Do you think about it being blown up. They do in Israel every day. My daughter just got back from there. Until you fully underrtsnad life in the M.E., think before you comment.
your comment is justified but unfortunately, no one wants to see people suffering for a few man head of states and politicians. as a superior power, israel must show restraint. on the other hand, hb is just acting like a maniac group!
Thank you for the data Now do you understand why the Palestinians should have the right of Returne to Palestine
A small group like Hisbo-Allah can cause this shocking damage, Imagine if there is another Arab Leader or 2 ask his people to fight Israel and let lose of every thing he has and fight Israel for real. Israel should be lucky these leaders are quite, but some day they will obey their people
Lebanon is a sovereign nation and has a duty to control the militants operating within its borders. If it fails to do so then Israel must act to defend its citizens against these rocket attacks and ambushes. The level of aggression is appropriate to force the Lebanese to act. If a child in your house breaks your neighbors windows out everyday and you as a parent do nothing to curtail the child then that neighbor must take action against you to prevent any further acts.
A small group like Hisbo-Allah can cause this shocking damage, Imagine if there is another Arab Leader or 2 ask his people to fight Israel and let lose of every thing he has and fight Israel for real. Israel should be lucky these leaders are quite, but some day they obey their people
A small group like Hisbo-Allah can cause this shocking damage, Imagine if there is another Arab Leader or 2 ask his people to fight Israel and let lose of every thing he has and fight Israel for real. Israel should be lucky these leaders are quite, but some day they will obey their people
Dear Michael... Before asking #1 to be in place of israel, can you put yourself in place of the lebanese people? Yes please forget for seconds being a holly jewish, and immagine that from the other side they are bombed, attaked by your army, kept held in your army's prison... Maybe it is time to ripost... By the way, who bombed first? Be honnest at least with your self, this will help you better judge... Your soldiers were in our land, maybe in yours... they were kidnapped... soldier issue, war, they are paid to die, as our soldiers, as all soldiers... Some of ours were killed and died... They also beleive that God pays them to die.. Then your gouvernement bombed villages, he has no choice... He couldn't protect his soldiers, he wants a fast revenge... and he decided to kill the family in Nabatieh... after all they are 10 kids, but they might become terrorist later, kill them now... We bombed your military position... no civilians... Who started? any way, good luck
Let it be war... You have prisonners for us, They are judged by your gouvrnement... We catched prisonners for you... They will be judged by us... You distroyed our country, We will distroy yours... as much as we can... We will loose our tourisme season, will there be any tourisme your side? Your gouvrnement as ours are stupid, all they care about are their re-election... After all, Life is too short, and happily this is bringing some animation... It has been a long time of calm... Is it worthy? Maybe, tomorow the war will move all over the world, ambassies, civilians, trains, airplanes... It will be fun don't you think? Support your gouvernment, they are young, and they need support... We will support our terrorists... they are older... and they might win... Such a good thing... Let it be war... After all, Oil companies are winnig, and I own shares there...
The arabs use their family as human shields you have to ask to your friends to send their families in vacation. We also adivse them when we come. As I told you are not the right one that can make any judgement on Israel. Never slave in Egypt anymore my dear. If we have to die better with an M16 in the hand instead . Please Haaret'z better a Palestinian than a german that pretend to give us lesson of humanity, I'm really disgusted. We are not KILLER WE DEFEND OUR LIFE AND OUR FAMILY THATS IT.
There are 695,0000 Plalestinians in Lebanon Stop their persecution since 1948: Lebanon barred Palestinian Arabs from 73 job categories including professions such as medicine, law and engineering. They are not allowed to own property. Unlike other foreigners in Lebanon, they are denied access to the Lebanese healthcare system. The Lebanese government refused to grant them work permits or permission to own land. The number of restrictions have been mounting since 1990. In June 2005, however, the government of Lebanon removed work restrictions from all Lebanese-born Palestinians, enabling them to apply for work permits and work in the private sector. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_refugees Where is all the worlds? outrage? Non Dutch England
If Israel must fight Hezbollah 'cause nobody else does, then Israel shall fight Hezbollah who are a danger to Lebanon and Israel. I just don't see the point of killing 53 non-Hezbollah-civilians and of the destruction of LEBANESE infrastructure and I don't care to hear the usual excuses about collateral damages as a normal consequence of war. If IDF/IAF are still not able to fight with precision they should have stayed where they were rather than damaging a country to such an extent and the reputation of Israel with it.
i wonder how settlers feel being shelled by hizbllah.all zionist and amirican weapons cannot protect them.palestenian have been living under settlers shells for about 100 years. is that something will make settlers askthere government to stop daily killing of palsetenians. only peace can protect israelis not arogance. mere power means jungle law,
Daniel, I have to agree with you and add the following. This war is non-symmetrical. Since 1948 the only Jewish country in the world has been attacked by Arab countries spanning North Africa and the Middle East, with their declared aim of genocide. In the mean time the Palestinians have been forced to live as refugees in these same Arab countries and denied full citizenship by their Arab cousins (Including Lebanon). It?s clear what the real problem is - not the poor Palestinians but that the Jews have their own country. Israel has all the military might and its payback time! Non Dutch England
Hezbollah kills Israelis in an unprovoked attack, takes hostages and then hides itself behind "civilian" population - truly a page out of the Arab book of war. And here's another page out of the Arab book of war - "Saladin"'s outrage that the victim of Islamofascism has the nerve to respond in kind.
What if Windsor, Canada, was being shelled by rockets launched by Hezbollah cell located in Dearborn, Michigan? Canada would be totally justified to pound the crap out of Detroit.
The Beirut airport is not a civilian target. How do you think Syria and Iran get weapons into the country for Hezbollah. All targets Israel has hit have military applications. -- By that reckoning nothing in Israel is a civilian target. Its airports are used to transport weapons and terrorists, its buses and pizza parlors are full of combatants, in and out of uniform. End Israeli war crimes. Free Palestine!
In general I am sympathetic towards Arabs. This time however, Lebanon has lost a lot of sympathy from me. Entering Israel and bombing the border patroll etc. only because Iran ordered is totally disproportionate and irresponsible. An appropriate response would have been a diplomatic brake true or a minor military response to destroy Iran's reactors. I am afraid that Iran is more responsible for the current escalation of violence than anybody else.
Just a thought: 2 parties engaged in a war for more than 20 years now. The first party, recently abducted two soldiers and killed 8. The other party, responded in full force against civilian targets: civilian airport, houses, killed children in their bed, etc. I wonder which party can be called terrorist?!
Fritz, You say ?40% of Lebanese are shiit ?(Shite) and removing Hezbollah would start civil war. Per your logic Israel needs to do the job. You spout international law - well the UN recognized Israel?s complete withdraw to international borders and that Lebanon has not fulfilled its obligation to disarm Hezbollah. As I am sure an intellect like you are aware Hezbollah is part of their elected government. You are wrong in 1981, Israel applied its "laws, jurisdiction and administration" in the Golan Heights with the Golan Heights Law. Thanks for your support of Israel. Non Dutch UK
In general I am sympathetic towards Israe. This time however, Israel has lost a lot of sympathy from me. Entering Lebanon and bombing the airport etc. only because two soldiers were kidnapped is totally disproportionate and irresponsible. An appropriate response would have been a diplomatic action or a minor military response. I am afraid that Israel is more responsible for the current escalation of violence than anybody else.
Totally agree woth Stephen Murray. If the Israelis bomb Beirut, Hezbollah should bomb haifa and tel aviv. I do not think hezbollah's attack was a provocation, doesn't israel illegally occupy the Sheba Farms ? Isn't the deaths of 80 Gazans, half of them civilians, not a provocation ?? And the death of 60 Lebanese civilians ?? Israels sows what it reaps and it will do so until it realizes it should its neighbors with respect and not in this contemptous manner, dropping bombs when they do not agree with the master's dictates.
Dear Khaled this is an unfortunate situation as Iran / Syria is directing Hizbolla to attack Israel to remove pressure form the international community on them regarding their nuclear weapons. On top of all this Putin is also quite happy from the situation as oil prices are rising and he can extort more influence form the West and in the assurance of energy prices. On top of all this Putin was able to destroy a fragile government in Ukraine and there are efforts from the pro- Russian parties to integrate Ukraine into Russia ? if this happen this will strangle Europe energy supplies completely. Lebanese and Israelis are nothing more than the soldiers to be sacrificed in the chess of the big powers ? more so the efforts of Putin to bring Russia to it?s former glory. It is all about Iran / Russia / and China v. the US and W. Europe each of them in their own stile sacrificing innocents in the ME ? unfortunate the Fundamental Islamist fanatics are more then willing to join the fray to destroy anything that is Western. If Putin wants to stop it all he has Assad on a leash which has Hizbolla on a leash ? so the situation is very simple ? the answers are in St. Petersburg, Peking and Teheran ? but non of them will be satisfied until they will get serious concessions from the West
I read Res. that is 5000 years young and is a model for Peace. In French it says: `Retrait des forces armées Islamennes des territoires occupés lors du récent conflit.` In English: `Withdrawal of Islamic armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict.` Anyway, if the rest of the world agrees that Islamic-Arabs should redraw behind the 1979-1981 lines, maybe some introspection is required from the Shia-Suni-Palestinian side. We say that `Furthermore, Israel has been trying to get back all territories so that the Palestinians will never have their state, in the Land of Israel.` I mean Palestinians like the benefits of the occupation and they just don`t wan`t it back? :-). Islamic Settlements are still being built in Jeudea & Samaria as well as "Gaza" we call it Gush Katif. Build your state within the legal borders on the Jordan-Iraq border and end the conflict.
The Dutch are one of the biggest allies of Israel and always have been. Not so much in words but in deeds, do not forget that in the first Gulf war Holland supplied Patriot missiles to Israel even before the US did. Schiphol airport is THE lifeline for Israel's export-economy. There are many other examples. Stephen Murray is definitely not a Dutch name, we Dutch are definitely not going to live under any Islamic law even if it takes a bloody civil war to avoid so. Do not value us all by the words of a non Dutchman living in my city, that's stupid, okay?
The Lebanese people(?) cannot get rid of Hezbollah because 1.)Govt. and army of this multi-religious and multi-ethnic country are not equipped to tackle an enemy of this size, 2.) any attempt to do that (40% of Lebanese people are Shiit) would trigger another civil war which the country couldn't survive. Lebanon is fragile. Hence Mr. Bush's appeal to Israel not to weaken their government.
I read Res. 242. In French it says: 'Retrait des forces armées israéliennes des territoires occupés lors du récent conflit.' In English: 'Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict.' Anyway, if the rest of the world agrees that Israel should redraw behind the green line, maybe some introspection is required from the Israeli side. You say that 'Furthermore, Israel has been trying to give back all territories so that the Palestinians can have their state.' You mean Palestinians like the benefits of the occupation and they just don't wan't it back? :-). Settlements are still being built on the West Bank. Build your state within the legal borders and end the conflict.
UN has confirmed Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon to be complete because UN sees the "farms" as part of Syria. Lebanon claims the area but Syria and the UN do not accept the claim. The farms are occupied territory. No nation or institution has ever considered them part of Israel.
Why don't you the Lebanese people get rid of the Hizbollah trash instead of leaving it to Israel? The threat comes from your country! So you all have to pay the prize for not carrying them out!
And I thought for the most fleeting moment that you had developed a sense of justice. But the earth is in its orbit and you haven't budged.
You wrote "Furthermore, Israel has been trying to give back all territories so that the Palestinians can have their state." For the very, very, small and few settlements that Israel says that it will or has evacuated. There are 50 more that are being created in the process. If you look at the land that the Palestinians had in 2000 compared to 2006 you will notice that it is significantly less not more as you are stating.
I feel that it is hardly possible to negotiate with terror and I think the Israeli's action against those idiote terrorist(Hisbolla/Hamas)is the appropriate way to deal with since they do understand that language alone.
Don't worry guys when your moment come they don't care if you were on their side kiising their ass against Israel. Your idea is Israel is guilty and have to pay. Guilty of what because we want survive anyway. I whis you all the best to you and the 200.000 representative you have place in your country to reduced the eventuality of a terroristic attack (as you advise in radio,TV)
"Amsterdam, Stockholm or Oslo will be attacked by frustrated terrorist is therefore rather low I guess". Bunch of BS amsterdam was spared the attacks because the police arrested the terrorist on time not like in stupid corrupted pedofile belgium were the people and terrorist lie together in a same coruupted bed
dont worry- very very soon you and your lovely dutch brethren will be living under islamic law and if you are an englishman your country's days are numbered too- so the jews get the last laugh-- haha
BTW, even the UN says that Sheeba Farms belongs to Israel.
The Beirut airport is not a civilian target. How do you think Syria and Iran get weapons into the country for Hezbollah. All targets Israel has hit have military applications. On the other hand, Hezbollah targets civilian areas --unless you think that the candle factory, dairies or girls orphanage in Safad have military applications.
The weak point in your argumentation is that in all of 2005 and 2006 Israel hasn't suffered nearly the number of victims that either the terror in Madrid or in London claimed. Yonathan, Europeans count victims on a 1:1 basis. In view of the all-out war declared by Israel and considering the number of Lebanese casualties any attack on Israel will not be perceived as an act of terror but as defense. Israel overreacted. This is the unequivocal opinion of all nations on this globe. Israel is unwilling to restrain herself despite the pleads of George W. Bush and C. Rice. Israel is completely isolated. The peace process is dead. Considering how it all began, was it worth it? What has Israel lost? All chances for peace and many friends! What has Israel won? Nothing but more enemies!
The arabs donn't get it. They have fought with Israel as though they were fighting a village feud. You snipe, you kidnap and the other side gives in a little. The Israelis learned war in eastern europe in the first half of the 20th century. It's a whole different ball game. Does Nasraullah realy want to "open the gates of hell"? He may not like the results. The main reason the Netherlands, Sweden and Norway aren't occupying any other countries is that they got kicked out years ago, ask the Indonesians, the Poles, the Russians, the English, the Irish, the Sicilians. When demorcatic countries find themselves faced with terorrist states theycan get pretty nasty, not quickly but in time, ask the residents of Hamburg, Dresden, Berlin, Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki. As it is said "payback's a bitch." Remember there's a statue of "Bomber" Harris in London.
the majority of the 47 civilians were located in two specific houses in south lebanon. The head of the village's house was attacked together with another house specifically because they stored there long distance Kattusha rockets. Only this houses were blown up. The desition to store rockets in house is policy directed from Iran to the Hisbullah as an strategy seems to them good because they do not have larger bases that could became target. For this purpose they prefer to put civilians in the front line. The next time you cry do it for the right reasons if not everybody will learn to know you as the little ignorant crying baby uhh they are bad uh they behave bad .....
How is Israel violating international law? Any territory Israel occupies is as a result of defensive wars -- perfectly legal. If you read UN Res. 242, the real resolution and not the Arab re-write, you will see that the UN recognized this fact in 1967. Furthermore, Israel has been trying to give back all territories so that the Palestinians can have their state. Hazbollah's stated policy is one of genocide against Jews and Israelis. Israel's reaction is justified.
This iron fist policy has tought others to play hardballs. Saudis and Egyptions proved cowerds, but Palestinians and Lebanese (Philistines and Phoenecians) are truly a different breed. We all have to admit that both sides in this oldest war in the war must have true claims and convictions.
Hasbara robot head keep repeating same old lies how israel is the victim. Israel is a nuclear power out of control and does not respect anybody who's not scared ot it...
Why would the Israelis hit civilian targets such as the airport, thus potentially prompting similar response? We now hear the Hezbollah has rockets capable of reaching Tel Aviv, and its airport. That would scare away all airliners. I think the escalation from the Israeli side is not calculated. Hezbollah managed to put itself into the spotlights, and now everyone will support the release of Hizbollah solders and return of Shebaa Farms -- a small price for Israel to pay to shut down the northern front.
for this to happen, Israel should start attacking Hezbollah, and stop killing innocent civillians. so far, the israeli have killed 60 civillian and only 1 Hezbollah fighter. This is not really helping the antihezbollah lebanese to support israel.
It is very likely that Hezollah will fire more rockets at Haifa in hopes on igniting the fuel storage depot near the port. This would be justified as Israel attacked similar facilities in Beirut. The Haifa port is also used to launch marine attacks against Beirut. If your housed is made of glass, you dont throw stones at your neighbors.
"The only acceptable course of action Israel should take to missiles being launced at it is to file a lawsuit in Lebanon and Gaza and have the culprits arrested after a proper investigation. After a trial, conclusively proving guilt, justice can be served. Anything else is unjustified, collective punishment. " Since critics of Israel's complain about how Israel reacts but never suggest what's appropriate (well, except for the just leave the ME or die folks), I thought I'd give it a shot. Critics don't offer their real answer is because as above, it's nonsense.
Based on the free ride the Palestinian, Iranian, and Lebanese propagandists get on Haaretz' "talkback" segments is there any wonder there are questions?
As far as I know, neither Holland, Sweden or Norway are violating international law and are occupying a neighboring country. The chance that Amsterdam, Stockholm or Oslo will be attacked by frustrated terrorist is therefore rather low I guess. Get out of the occupied territories, build your wall on the green line and invest in your economy and not in your army I would suggest.
There may be an opportunity for a win-win situation here for both Israel and Lebanon if it can be arranged that when this is eventually resolved Saniora gets the credit for it. This would undermine Hizbollah in what I think would be a very significant way, particularly coming on the heels of Hizbollahs' inevitable military defeat. I wonder if the release of Lebanese hostages held in Syria (if there are any that have not already been executed) could be worked into this in some creative, "coloring outside the lines" sort of way to turn the tables on Assad a little bit?
Stephen Murray will go to any lengths to justify attacks on Israel and to condemn Israel when it reacts. I have nothing against the inhabitants of Amsrterdam, but I still do wish that once. only once, al-Qaida or some other Islamist extremist group would carry out a massive terror attack on that city (and Stockholm and Oslo) with many civilian casuaties. I would like to see how Stephen Murray or John of the Netherlands would then react. Probably they would still find a way to blame Israel.
The great Middle Eastern expert, Bernard Lewis, summed up the region in these words: Get tough or get out. Israel doesn't have a choice of getting out, so now it must get tough.
What a bunch of total nonsense. Hezbollah is responsible. Israel's reaction is completely logical. What do you think The Netherlands would have done if Germans would fire rockets against our cities every single day? How would the US have responded if Hezbollah would be operating from Mexico. You are talking complete and utter nonsense. You are simply unable to place yourself in the position of Israel, whose citizens are attacked on a daily basis. No reaction from Hezbollah can be justified since they are the ones who caused this mess. So easy to judge Israel from the comfortableness of your home in Amsterdam, isn't it.
Both the Hezbollah and the IDF are doing the things they are best at: destroying the lives of civilians. The politicians on both sides cry that each new violent action of the other is another `major, major escalation` and in the end only more civilians die. This is what the terrorists want, this is what the IDF is giving them. There must be a cheering admosphere in the bunkers of Hezbollah: finally they feel important again, finally they get the world attenrion again and finally they can pick up their role of `defender of the Arab world against the Zionist crusaders`. We have seen it all before, and we ll know that Israel is so obsessed with being the military power of the ME, that Israel couldn't do anything else but the usual reflexes: bombing, oppressing and destroying. Israel has the complete right to fight the terrorists, but the terrorists don't give them the right to behave as one themselves. That's the difference between being a terrorist and a democratic nation.
The kidanp of the 2 soldiers was wrong but the Israeli overreaction by bombing Beirut and the airport and the murder of 47 Lebanese civilians means that Hezbollah and Lebanon are fully entitled to respond against Israel in the same manner. Hezbollah provoked this but the Israeli reaction means that the escalation in the situation is Israel's responsibility