IDF refusal will bring about Israel's collapse, warns Netanyahu

Ahh, so nice to see yet another old man telling the young men and women of his country to go kill other young men and women, from the safety of his bunker. Some things never change, do they? Have any of you read the story of Chicken Little? No? You should. It has amazing similarities to the propaganda Bibi is feeding you, as he convinces you it is your duty to sacrifice your souls via murder.

I would love it if Israel's people would join the rest of the world and work toward peace rather than more conflict (which I know greases the wheels of the military industrial complex). The fact that Israel's leaders parade Hamas in front of us whenever they need justification for anything is sad, considering Israel funded the creation of Hamas to counter the PLO in the late 1970s. Convenient? Very much so. Deceptive? Hell yes. Also very damaging to the innocent Palestinians and Israelis caught in the cross fire between Israel's intelligence services and her creation. Israel's intelligence services have been busted numerous times committing terror and then framing Arabs - we don't hear of this at all on the other side. Who really is causing the strife here? This is not how man is to conduct himself with other men. Love must prevail.

... including my step son but also many others, to be told - "not now". Your knowledge is completely divorced from the reality that the great, overwhelming, majority of soldiers, NOW, are NOT politicised at all! After all, they are all Israeli men... except we oldsters...and the super-religious. The 33 soldiers sent by Olmert into Lebanon to their death for nothing, as the war ended, were not politicised! Simply following orders...as they had to. Too much knowledge suppresses thinking... particularly if it is one-sided too...

I wrote about all those serving the nation... Those you cite are serving only themselves.

"The Israeli army is more sacred than yourself and your "ideas". - S It was Ariel Sharon who was responsible for turning the old 900th Brigade into a special, extra large Brigade dedicated to the suppression of the West Bank and stuffed with soldiers especially committed to the Settler movement. It was Arik Sharon that chose to politicize the IDF S. Not the lefties, and not even this forums righties. It was a typical Sharon action. And it has proven to be a BIG mistake. No democracy in it's right mind politicizes it's armed forces.

"The army includes ALL our young children, men and women serving the ENTIRE nation, not some group or another, not some ideology or another" Not true. What about those studying the Torah? Or the ultra-orthodox?

We have all heard of soldiers refusing to go to war or engage in activities because they object to their government's policies. It is a shock to see israeli society shift so far to the right and in contradiction to what is legal and moral and in opposition to the entire world community on the settlement issue. If the youth of Israel cannot do what is right this society will truly fail. It is a joke to see the right wing leader Netanyahu tell soldiers to not act like this. Where is the conscience of Israel ?!

The purpose and function of the Israel Defense Forces is to defend Israel not to hurt Jews. That today's young soldiers seem to appreciate this, even at risk to themselves, is only to their credit. Perhaps it would be different if the IDF's combat forces were still comprised of kibbutzniks and the children of the secular left. But their role in Israel's defense is to large extent history. It would behoove any Israeli Government to recognize who its young defenders are and where they come from. The dedication and self-sacrifice of these young men -- at a time when 25% of their peers are shirking military service altogether -- is to be commended. And if in isolated acts of youthful exuberance they give vent to their passionate beliefs, not only should they be forgiven, but the powers that be should pay heed.

The Israeli army is more sacred than yourself and your "ideas". The army includes ALL our young children, men and women serving the ENTIRE nation, not some group or another, not some ideology or another. STOP IT!

when Yitzhak Rabin was murdered by a bloke who didn't agree with his views and who was subsequently lionised by his supporters. Since that night politicians both from the left and the right have tried to appease these ideological crackpots. The supporters of Rabin's killer (whatever his name is) sunbsequently have gained in power and status in Israeli society to the point where they now hold Israel hostage.

These soldiers are responding to a climate of complacency and protektsia in Israels political establishment. By turning to radicals, religious and secular, to form coalitions, Israel not only provides a forum for anti-Israel and anti-Zionist rhetoric, it encourages the kind a radicalism demonstrated by these four young soldiers, and others recently appearing in the news. At its most extreme mainline political parties encourage a local as well as national forum for extremists to erode not only the discipline of Zahal, but the murder of political opponents, the assassination of political leaders. Save the army, and the state: Reform The System.

David, you are right in saying that no demand is infallible. We, people, are created in God's image and so have a sense of what's right and wrong. I think it honors the Lord when we stand up for what is right, regardless of what the world says. Given the number of observant Jews in the IDF, I am not surprised at what happened... maybe I'm surprised that it didn't happen sooner.

In almost all articles on the subject of forced removal of settlers, many persons (some notable, some less so) state firmly, categorically and often loudly that it is fundamentally WRONG, because (take your pick of reasons)...that the IDF should never EVER be called upon to do it...then add that it is the proper role of the police.

Police is. PM apparently is misguided regarding the scope of influence of objectors - both leftist and rightist - on existence of the State. Probably he should not make pronouncements on the subject.

"This bill makes it clear that the task of the IDF is to defend the State of Israel, its sovereignty and its citizens, and every law enforcement mission dealt with by the Israel Police." The settlements are not the State of Israel! Not according to international law anyway.

no demand is infallible; choices, decisions, ideas, now and in the past, can and have had grave consequences

"you should have known not to build in occupy territory was not Israel territory" Tell me how much of the Great Nation Of America has not been stolen from the Natives?

"maybe even Gd will not want to protect us." g-d protects all its children. and just like we are made in its image we too should protect all g-ds children... even if that means they are pal... Sometimes we must do things we dont agree with or fully understand... and that means following those orders to demolish those homes.

Israel isengaged in the enterprise of building cities outside their national borders. This is unique to Israel, as is so often the case. The entire world disapproves but hasn't the nerve to take action. This is encouraging to Israel but quite nerve wracking to Israels neighbors. In the end, the weak-kneed nations of the world deserve whatever fallout comes of their cowardice. It will not be long in coming.

Why would the IDF be involved in ethnic cleansing of Jews living in their own historic homeland? The instigation of such of move comes from Israel's enemies-the dark forces-the world of Islamist-Jihadists and AntiSemites who want to ethnically cleanse Jews living in Judea and Samaria. It is time for Israel to say NO, NO, NO to ethnic cleansing of Jews from their historic homeland.

Netanyahu is not quite accurate what is going to bring about Israel's collapse is the failure to execute Yigal Amir for his heinous crime. It was on a par with Eichmans crime because eventually so many will die from the consequences of his murderous act against democracy so he should have got the same sentence. Amir has split Israel in two and those on the right who believe that they can take on the world by themselves will unfortunately discover the disastrous reality of their beliefs.

As not all Israelis serve in the IDF, the IDF is in effect a volunteer army. Anyone not wanting to serve has simply to get on a plane and leave. Everyone - Haredi, Arab, Leftist, Rightist, Kibutznick, etc. - can choose what s/he does. That's the underlying strength of our democracy. If the Prime Minister or the Defense Minister needs additional hands to help in the task, I am sure President Obama will be kind enough to call up the US national guard to assist the Israeli police. No U.S. President would ever tell the U.S. military to destroy a U.S. citizen's home. Never ever! But, if asked, I am sure a U.S. President would be willing to send peace keeping forces to keep the calm while the Israeli police do the dirty work. Frankly, I can not see another forced evacuation. The Israeli Government will either have to buy out the residents or simply let them live (or die) under Palestian jurisdiction.

Bruria my answer to you IS! you should have known not to build in occupy territory was not Israel territory! Now they pay the consequences for doing what was against the all world build where was not your to start with!

A weak, ideological government, with ongoing cases against corrupt politicians, will have a far greater negative effect on a society, than a few soldiers taking an ideological stance. The expulsion of 10,000 Jews from Gush Katif and no care or concern for their wellbeing and fair compensation, will also have and in fact has had disastrous effects on the society and the State. Its not the job of the IDF to expel Jews or act like policemen while destroying homes with questionable building permits. Its the Israel Defence Forces, and not the Israel Demolition Forces. As a byline, why dont the authorities worry about the thousands of illegally built Arab homes in Judea and samaria (West bank)? Lets have transparency. Lets have consistency. Lets have our soldiers fight and defend the State against our Arab enemies, both within and outside the borders of Israel. Lets bring some Jewish pride and a good name back to the IDF, by keeping the IDF away transfer, eviction & demolition.

Bibi is the biggest let-down of the decade and may well be the prime mover for the destruction of our country. I agree that the IDF must obey orders--but since when are the orders to destroy their own homes, families and people--while protecting our sworn enemies? Shame on Bibi and all politicians who are putting their own interests and bank accounts ahead of their sworn duty to serve this country. If we cannot rid ourselves of this bunch of self-serving idiots, maybe even Gd will not want to protect us.

Oaf's Sharon disastrous "disengagement" was being justified by "refusal to serve in Gaza" by some Leftie-inspired officers and conscripts. Now the Left tastes own medicine,anarchy in the IDF they expected would defend them against results of own mindless actions