IDF kills two Gaza militants trying to plant bomb near border fence

Their intent could have possibly have been to set landmines or booby traps..They're no longer in any condition to be interviewed..

You say he was once very pro-Israel..well, people can change their minds;I've changed mine about several issues after learning a lot of things from you.He may just have gone the other way.And he is correct,that people defending Israel have to accept critical questions from the other side.I know you've served in the US Army and the IDF.I can't understand why those two Palestinians were trying to blow the fence up anyway; the IDF would hear the explosion, what would be the point? The Palestinians would get shot as they ran through the hole in the fence, they could hardly cover ten feet before being killed..bit of a pointless operation; wonder what their objective was.. Regards

The Israeli poster Paul Harris always calls Dutch "Doris Magelin, or Doris" (although I think Dutch is a guy) so I probably got it mixed up with you. Sorry. Once when you were..um..politely discussing an issue with Dutch I thought you called him/her Doris Magelin. About England, too..sorry for what they did in the past, but Ben, it is past, you've got to look forward, if you don't how can there ever - ever be any solution to the problem? Dwelling over past wrongs just isn't constructive, no-one would ever forgive anyone anything and nothing would get done...

I can assure you honestly that if it seemed that posters in this thread were gloating over the deaths of two Israelis instead of two Palestinians, I would feel just as disgusted. It's in poor taste to rejoice over any deaths at all...as for the celebration and candy and sweets for the martyrs, can you imagine if they get to heaven and are told, Sorry, no virgins left for you two, instead we've got to give you 72 goats..the two guys would look at each other and both say, It was your idea to bomb the fence!

Nobody is gloating..Just rejoicing that two men who were attempting to murder Jews were prevented from doing so...So much better than attending funerals of our own people...Don't feel too bad, they'll become Martyr's and their friends and familes will celebrate and pass around candy & sweets in celebration..After all, they've the promise of seventy two (72) eager virgins waiting to fill all their needs and pleasures...

For quite a while he was very pro-Israel.. Somehow or other, somebody seems to offended his tender feelings..Voila, the did an 180 deg. about face and became anti-Israel...As for my military service, which he is obviously ignorant of, I've served in BOTH the U.S. Army & the IDF..I doubt if he's served in any army of any sort...With his rationale, he wouldn't pass the necessary physicals/mental testing... In any event, his writing, no matter which side he took, was very juvenille and still is.

To my recollection, I never, ever heard of Doris Magelin...As for disliking England, I remember how the administered their Mandate. Forcing Jews to go to Cyprus under armed escort, turning over their Taggart Fortresses to the Arabs when the Mandate ended...I despise the pro-Arab British Foreign Office..As for the English people, I have no feeling one way or the other, except for thos Military & Police who acted against Palestinian Jews and hung them in Acre prison...

Aside from reading it several times, you should have allowed your mind to imagine the death and destruction the bombs would have caused if they went off...Instead of bang, bang, it would have been BOOM, BOOM.

What, disarm them? Surely you jest..They could have been wearing homicide vests..Actually they shouldn't have been up to mischief in the first place...Better yet, next time they have a bomb to plant, let them know where you live, they can place it under your car... IDF was most merciful, fulfilled their desire to kill, only this time it was themselves.

Everyone else in this Talkback seems to have got into this besides us, however; in a previous Talkback, either Eric or Johnboy, I forget which one, posted arrangements for a visit to Ballistic, who is a guy. I'll find out from Eric if it was him. As for the rest, I don't deserve that from you. Probably you say it because I was critical of Israel, but still..that stuff about my job, my boss, a platter, pro-arab propaganda, a dog. I have never seen you in a worse mood, just have got to say it.

You are perfectly correct that an American, or a citizen of any other country, has the right to question the tactics of Israel. And I agree that the country in which a person is born should have first allegiance, even if, like with me, there are ties to another country. To take a balanced viewpoint one has to be ready to hear all sides of a question. If a person replies with only fury and abuse to a politely put question, they are being fanatical and intolerant. In this Talkback particularly there are a lot of posters praising the IDF for killing the two Palestinians, gloating over their deaths in fact. This is bloodthirsty and really distasteful. It makes them what they hate the most. Regards

Also an IDF veteran.

Thanks for your post. I know the Palestinians have, unfortunately, been fighting among themselves in Gaza, but I'm surprised that Israel allowed any in. I only want to see a peaceful solution to the tragic situation between Israel and the Palestinians. So many posters here delight in the killing of each side, and that's so wrong. I really think the two state solution is the only way to achieve a lasting peace, for Israel and Palestine to live side by side in amity. Regards

You don't know anything about the correspondence Ben Jabo and I have had, and you don't know anything about me and what facts and interests I have and know, so please, keep your opinion about me to yourself, and in the meantime, go soak your head in the sea. It's nice this time of year. Wherever you live. Unless you'd prefer sand.

It seems that several people read my post to you and replied to us both..I read about the bus bombing you sent and have read other articles under the heading "terrorist bombings in Israel"..I am very sorry; I've told you many times, I don't want Israelis to be killed any more than Palestinians. In another Talkback you called Dutch "Doris Magelin" when you mentioned the human shields-someone must have said previously that was his/her name. There is one thing I never knew before, despite all our correspondence; how much you disliked one of my countries, England. And I regret this very much. I'm really sorry.

that I supported jihadis. It seems you know me best. I lost two friends in 9/11 and one in London, so yes, I really have an allegiance to jihadis, I don't think. I'll thank you not to put words into my mouth or into my posts, and I'll try to remember that here on Haaretz is a person describing himself/herself with one word, Enrico, who knows me better than I know myself.

"Do you believe what the Palestinians launch at Israel is candy?" No, but the IDF has about a hundred times the firepower of Palestinian militants, and they aren't using popcorn, either. The two sides are not equally matched. Nowhere near.

Ben: "two of your buddies planting a bomb, warned, didn't listen, bang, bang, now they can't hear anything anymore" Now that paints an extremely stark, not to mention graphic, picture of the scene; the dead Palestinians, the IDF, the fence. I read it several times in fact. Regards

I lived in London during part of the IRA bombing campaign. The office building I worked in had bomb threats every week, it was a social security building, and we walked through shops terrified that there would be a very large bang. I saw a building the IRA blew up and a car they firebombed. None of it was friendly.

Then you are saying what I already said; that too many innocents on both sides have died and are dying now as we speak. There has got to be some sort of a solution, and I believe that only the two state solution has any chance of ending the violence. When the Palestinians get their state they won't have any reason to fire rockets into Israel. All the time they don't have their own country and live in desperate circumstances there will be rockets falling on Israel, because they've got (or think they've got) a grievance. Take away the grievance by givng them a country and you take away the reasons they claim for violence. Hopefully.

Let's look at this IDF logic--why was it necessary to kill two militants because they were planting a bomb near the fence? Why not disarm them instead of killing them? This sound like more senseless & unnecessary killing of Palestinians to me by the IDF. What gun slingers! Dutch

GOD ALLWAYS BLESS RON. AMEN.

She is trying to give the slip. Is she were really interested, she would do it herself. But what does she care? Facts are not her interest.

I see, as far as you are concerned, supporting Israel deserves criticism. How is it? Being an American, Silvienne has allegiance to jihadis.

Haven?t you heard that rockets raining on Israel are launched from Gaza? Maybe you do not know that the Palestinians have been fighting among themselves and that a good number of those who could escape from torture and slaughter went into Israel.

A rocket for a rocket. Why not let the residents of Sderot fire back 10 rockets into the refugee camps for every Quassam that is fired at them. Seems to me, it's time for them to take life into their own hands. The upside of this is let the Pals (innocents) plead for a cease fire.

I don't doubt that in the least...When given a task, does your boss do it for you before putting it on your desk? Of course not, you have to exert the actual effort, othewise he wouldn't need your services in the first place. Everything can't be handed to you on a silver platter...Google is a great resource, use it for something other than your so obviously pro-arab propaganda...I really wonder what happened to "Ballistic", she seems to have vanished off the face of the planet..If you see or hear from her, we have a few old matters that have been left unfinished..I would appreciate your advising me where she's at...Probably out there giving her dog, Ballistic, it's periodic constitutional.

silvienne,ben just can't help himself,you see,your an american that said something less than positive about israel.i made that mistake once and he lambasted me a severe tounge lashing and compared me to benedict arnold,when in fact,he's the one living in america,and has allegiance to only one country,which is israel.seems to me ,that makes him the benedict arnold,and while your at it,ben "hand" jabo,go to the country you love and get the hell out of america you traitor,sob!it's jews like you that bring a bad name to other jewish people being so arrogant.if you can't handle an american questioning the tactics of israel,come cry on my shoulder,hand jabo,boy!

This week the IDF was a bit slow but next week, hopefully, twice as many terrorists will be shuttled off to the waiting virgins.

Two armed men putting a bomb on the Gaza Israel border with the aim to kill are not militants. THEY ARE TERRORISTS.

actually mean it, murderers!

Do you really believe what the palestinians launch at Israel is candy?

The one who died in hospital was killed by Hamas students.

The editor of Ma'an is asking the Pals not to announce their disgust at Hamas or leaving that particular faction. He feels vey much humilitaed by the interviews of those who prefer to back Abbas and Fatah in the most recent peace moves. Maybe if more "normal" people speak up in favor of peace, Hamas will end up so unbearably humiliated they will implode.

i agree congratulations are in order to the idf for continuing the fight against those who exist only to murder civilians... it is a shame that the pals cannot get these guys themselves and lock them up. that's what we do in civilised countries.

No real effort required..Type in subject and bang away.. "City of Arabs and Jews ripped apart by bombing Wednesday, March 5, 2003 Posted: 8:19 PM EST (0119 GMT) The bombing took place in an area where university students gather. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Story Tools -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RELATED ? Gallery: Deadly bus bombing VIDEO CNN's Jerrold Kessel reports the Hifa blast killed at least 15 was the first terror attack inside Israel in two months (March 5) PLAY VIDEO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CNN's Paula Zahn talks with Jerusalem Bureau Chief Mike Hanna about the terror bombing. PLAY VIDEO SPECIAL REPORT ? Interactive: Road map explainer ? Interactive: Timeline ? Map: Occupied lands ? Interactive: Key Players ? Gallery: Mideast lands ? Special Report HAIFA, Israel (AP) -- Nothing seemed unusual when passengers stepped aboard Marwan Damouni's No. 37 bus Wednesday, wearing bulky jackets to ward off the cold. Then the bus stopped, the doors swung open and a suicide bomber inside blew himself up. The bomb attack killed 15 people and the bomber and injured dozens. Police said most of the victims ---- nine or 10 ---- were teenage high school students, among them 14-year-old Avigail Leitner, a U.S. citizen. Police did not immediately have details of her links to the United States. The army said another two of the dead were soldiers The blast opened fresh wounds in this northern port city, where Arabs and Jews have lived in relatively peaceful coexistence. Israel blamed Yasser Arafat and the Palestinian Authority for failing to stop attacks. Palestinian Authority officials denounced the attack and rejected the Israeli charges. In an unusual development, no militant group had claimed responsibility for the bombing hours after the blast tore the bus apart. "Some people were still wearing winter jackets," said Damouni, 31, driver of the bus, who opened his eyes to find his arms covered with his passengers' blood. "This time I didn't question anybody. After all that we've seen and lived through, this situation is very bad." Drivers are supposed to look out for suspicious passengers, especially signs of a bomb strapped to a terrorist's waist, and drivers have foiled several attacks, but many complain that the security duty is too much to ask of them. The bomb was "medium sized" but laced with metal shrapnel for greater deadliness, according to Israeli Police Commissioner Shlomo Aharonishki. Police said the bomber boarded the bus with explosives strapped to his body. A heavy jacket could have hidden the bomb. Damouni, a Christian Arab Israeli who had been driving a bus for seven years, miraculously escaped Wednesday's explosion with a few scrapes and bruises. Some of the dead were believed to be students from nearby Haifa University. Most of the 55 injured were under 40, hospital officials said. The blast happened just after 2 p.m. (1200 GMT) in a residential area where university students often flock to cafes and pubs. On one corner, a theater showed "The Quiet American," a film based on Graham Greene's Vietnam-era novel. On another corner, a chunk of the bus sat in a yard, blown free of the scorched vehicle, a macabre remnant of the day's tragedy. "I didn't feel anything. I didn't hear anything," said Damouni, his eyes red and his ears still ringing from the blast. "I opened my eyes after a minute and saw blood all over my arms."

whilst i actually agree with you in principle.... your opinion would be radically different if you and your kids lived in Sderot and everytime you went out for a walk, pizza etc and indeed whenever you were sitting watch TV.... or typing out your Haaretz post.... some friendly kassam could possibly fall on yr head and kill you and your family.

Two more terrorists down. Keep up the good work.

Why not post the dates that the Arabs fired the Kassam's??..They're just as meaningful...Seek trouble and it finds you...In today's news, two of your buddies were planting a bomb, warned to get away from fence, didn't listen, bang, bang, now they can't hear anything anymore.

There's nothing HARSHER than those damn rockets!!..The rocekts will make you just as dead as the hellfire missiles..They hit you, you die, simple as that..Think of either one as a large exploding bullet...When I give you a link, I don't tell you to Google it, just copy & paste into your browser...The contents are usually far too lengthy for me to copy & paste in their entirety, that's why you get a link... As for destruction in Israel, just GOOGLE "Terrorist bombings in Israel", you'll come up with a load of links...I too support Arab rights, but not at my expense...The English never sided with the underdog, they created them.. India, Pakistan, are a few examples..England raped her colonies..Who in the devil is "Doris Magelin"..Dutch the Daft is a vicious Jew Hater..As such, the enemy of my people is my enemy...She only desires the demise of Israel, therefore, I wish for hers.. She's the one that vowed to be a "Human Shield", never attempted to fulfill her vow..

What about the innocent Israeli who are suffering under continued attacks by these crazies? Is it the IDF's duty to protect the Palestiian civilians or to make sure that Israelis are not used as target practice for rocket launchers? Surely those very same rocket launchers are aware that their actions are liable to harm the very people they are claiming to fight for? You plea for the safety of Palestinians (and I really do sympathise with the ordinary woman/child in the street) should be directed at those rocket launchers and those who send them on these missions. And a for the infrastructure - a lot of the damage was caused by the Palestinians themselves.

I was worried we weren't doing anything thanks for keeping score. Maybe next week we can have a shutout (baseball talk:the other teams does not score at all)

Brother jihadists get killed and captured. Normal people would understand and change their charter rather than have a NO PEACE EVER policy.

July 19th to 25th, 2007. During the week-long period, four Palestinians were killed, another died of earlier injuries, and 11 Palestinians, including five children, were injured. 73 Palestinians were abducted by Israeli forces in 29 separate invasions of Palestinian areas during the week

I am not so militant. If the rockets stop and Shalit walks out I am for a cease fire.....It is the pals that are militant.

I know that you and this chap Ron are saying the same sort of thing, but somehow, his phrasing ?tear into the Gaza infrastructre?, ?cut off supplies? strikes an extremely harsh note, advocating that Israel behave in an inhumane manner. I would like to see Israel deal with the problem in a way that might promote peace, not further endless bloodshed on both sides. You know a lot about history, you know what happened years ago when an enemy laid siege to a town..as always, the first to suffer were always the innocent. Would 20-50lbs of high explosive be the same as the hellfire missiles that Israel uses? Would it be like, perhaps, about ten hand grenades going off at once? You know you don?t supply more links that I can handle, you give me one then tell me to google it! However, yes, of course I know well that you don?t bluff, as you put it, so please send me at least one that you think relevant of the destruction of the infrastructure inside Israel. Don?t accuse me of ignoring what?s happened to the Jews?you well know that I don?t tell you lies, either. I do support Palestinian rights, but I always keep saying, too much blood is being shed on both sides, there has got to be a peaceful solution. The Palestinians are the underdog right now, and the English always side with the underdog?.this does not mean I don?t care about the Israelis. Please send me what you think is a good demonstration of what you are talking about. Lastly, Ben?and you are not going to like this?I read in another Talkback your posts to Dutch, ?Doris Magelin?, saying that you look forward to her/his obits and laying wreaths on her/his remains, and to ?Rachel Corrie?, your bulldozer awaits?Ben, even for you, that?s going a bit far, or is it that I just don?t realise or understand the depth of your dislike for people who don?t support Israel? Well?such being the case, I can only hope you don?t go to that Talkback soon, because you are really going to let me have it good and proper over what I said about the IAF shooting hellfire missiles?OMG! Why ever did I write it! Please ignore it! Regards

their enemies. Are you listening PMO.

Ron ins't saying anything I hadn't advocated some time ago...When the enemy in Gaza insists on firing rockets into Israel, which damage the Israeli infranstructure and it's civilian residents, it's a state of war. Siege should be imposed...The Gazan's are making the innocents of Israel suffer. Turnabout is fair play...Israel can tackle the problem in a different way once the rockets cease...Each of those rockets carry a payload of anywhere from 20-50 lbs. of high explosive...I've also seen the picture of the death and destruction that the homicide bombers have rendered inside Israel...If you wish, I'll supply you with the links...You well know, that I don't bluff...Ask and you shall receive more links than you really would want to handle...Your concerns are obviously with the Arab side, ignoring what's been done to the Jews...

"High time for Israel to cut supplies to Gaza and tear into the infrastructure" There's a nice balanced point of view. Not much in the way of supplies gets into Gaza these days anyway, and have you seen pictures of the infratructure of Gaza? The entire place is a chaotic shambles. In taking your advice, Israel would only be making the innocent in Gaza suffer more. Let us hope Israel can tackle the problem in a different way.

There not much chance of that happening. The world knows what they are and has given up on them. Even the more pragmatic Palestinians want no part of Hamas and their Iranian masters. They will end up burying themselves, unless they continue with their customary stupidity, in which case Israel will help them along.

These people deserve nothing. Hamas is begging for food at the UN yet they continue to fly Quassams at Israel. Give these Hamas Militants Nothing. What is already happening is peace talks are working around Hamas. Everyone is working around Hamas. What will happen is in the end they will be but a footnote in History books.

Jewish Land and thus the creation of a pal state , one Islamic in Gaza and one semi secular in Judea and Samaria ,

Since Barak took over as Defense Minister the response has been silent,I myself and many others thought his response would be immediate and tough,I hope the silent,no response is because he is planning a operation to end them once and for all.

of scaring away Sderot residents from their home , Arabised Kadima uselesss policy against Arabs quassams equal Arabised Kadima in support of Iran takeover of Gaza thru Hamas , Arabised Kadima uselesss policy against Arabs quassams equal Arabised kadima in support of arabisation of Israel , Arabised Kadima uselesss policy against Arabs quassams equal Arabised kadima in support of arabs occupation of Jewish Homeland ,

I have nephews and nieces living in Ashkelon. I worry about them, sure. Still, I think the qassems damage Hamas more than Ashkelon's quietly growing neighborhoods. Keep marginalizing yourselves, Hamas. While the peace train is running you over.

When will the Israeli government once and for all answer these Qassam terror attacks. I just dont understand what is going on in the IDF. Now that Gaza is run by Hamas, its a mostly terrorist population or a population that support hamas terror. When will the answer to Qassam attacks come?

Hight time for Israel to cut supplies to Gaza and tear into the infrastructure. It is obvious hamas wants to get lucky and kill Jews and damage Israeli infrastructure.

sacrifice whole Israel rather than shell harems of Hamas honchos and preachers.