IDF: Force will be used against attempts to resettle Homesh
IDF, police say may not be able to block return to settlement; protesters to attempt to resettle area.
By Amos Harel and Nadav ShragaiThe Israel Defense Forces and police will invest only limited effort in preventing right-wing activists from marching Monday on the ruins of the former West Bank settlement Homesh, but warned that protesters would be evacuated by force if they tried to resettle the area.
Security forces estimate that they will be outnumbered by about three times the number of protesters expected to participate in the march on the former northern West Bank settlement, which was evacuated as part of the disengagement in 2005.
The IDF believes that at least 5,000 people will participate in the march, but only 1,000 policemen and Border Policemen and 500 IDF soldiers will try to block access to the site. With this ratio, the IDF knows the chances of completely blocking all the participants from reaching Homesh are slim.
Senior officers in the IDF Central Command held talks throughout the day with the march's organizers, in an attempt to dissuade the participants from trying to bypass security forces by walking through Palestinian villages and thus taking an unnecessary risk.
Settlers planning to march said Sunday that they had reached a "security understanding" with officers during the meeting.
According to the organizers, the understanding with the security forces follows IDF warnings that if the roads to Homesh is blocked, the settlers would be forced to make detours through Arab villages, some of which are hostile. Fearing this scenario, said the organizers, the IDF decided to allow the protest march.
However, the IDF on Saturday warned settlers not to execute their plan, and notified them that the penalty for resettling an area evacuated in the disengagement is two years incarceration. The police also sent a warning letter to the organizers of the operation.
The IDF asked the organizers of the operation, called 'Homesh First' to promise not to stay in the former settlement permanently. Organizers have refused to make this commitment.
Military sources deny having reached an agreement with the organizers. The IDF said its primary goal is to avoid the resettlement of Homesh, and said an effort would be made to block the marchers' way before they reach the site. Nevertheless, the army is taking into account the possibility that a few activists will infiltrate the area.
The march to Homesh is being organized by a non-partisan right-wing organizations that opposed the Yesha Council policy during the disengagement. Although the council does not support the operation, the Yesha Rabbinical Committee does.
According to an operational pamphlet, participants are to reach pick-up points, from which they will be transported to the community Shavei Shomron. From there, participants plan to march to Homesh on foot. The organizers instructed the participants "to bring supplies for a 48-hour stay."
Organizers also instructed participants "not to confront the security forces that have been sent by the government, but to bypass them." However, they do add that "violent policemen are criminals and you are lawfully allowed to protect yourself against them."
It is the core group of Homesh settlers that are planning to re-establish the community. The core, which is made up of 30 families, arrived in Homesh a few years before the disengagement to bring religious reinforcement to the settlement.
In a separate announcement, the Homesh core stated that "for the last year and a half the Homesh exiles have been in caravans in Shavei Shomron, tortured by the fact that their destroyed settlement is only seven minutes away."
According to the Homesh core, "the injustice in the destruction of northern Samaria was even greater than the injustice of the destruction of the Gaza settlements. The destruction of Samaria makes no sense. It did not have a political or military purpose, and the defense minister's internal political considerations are the only reason the exiled settlers have not been allowed to return home."
Boaz Ha'etzni, one of the Homesh organizers, told Haaertz that the purpose of the operation is not merely the return to Homesh, but the revival of the struggle against the disengagement.
IDF, police say may not be able to block return to settlementIn recent days, security forces have been preparing for a predicted attempt on the part of settlers to reestablish the settlement of Homesh in the northern West Bank, which was evacuated as part of the Disengagement in August 2005.
IDF sources have stated that the army and the police will do everything possible to prevent the founding of an outpost on the ruins of Homesh, but have expressed doubt if it will possible to do so, as the ruins of Homesh are not fenced-off or closed.
The army on Saturday warned settlers intending to return to the Homesh area to abandon their plans to try to rebuild the settlement saying that the punishment under law for anyone who enters territories evacuated under the Gaza Disengagement and attempts to resettle the area is two years imprisonment.
"In view of media reports that Israeli citizens intend to enter the area of the evacuated settlement Homesh during the Passover holiday in order to reestablish the community," the warning said, "the IDF and the Israel Police wish to emphasize that the law enabling the disengagement bans Israeli citizens from entering and staying in the area without permission."
The army warned that "all means necessary to preserve law and order in the area" would be employed and that anyone violating the law is subject to consequences.
The police have also released a warning to organizers of the Homesh event saying that in addition to criminal charges, event organizers and participators could be subject to paying punitive damages to the state for costs accrued by security services as a result of the event.
Organizers of the event are hoping that thousands will participate in the campaign to reestablish Homesh, and have plastered flyers announcing the event in synagogues throughout the West Bank. The announcements detail staging areas where participants will gather and organize for the trip to Homesh, and instruct participants to bring supplies for a long stay.
"This event will require the presence of security forces who are busy implementing the lessons of the Second Lebanon War, and also places further burden on the security forces who are engaged in protecting the citizenry during the upcoming holidays," a police statement read.
In response, leaders of the Return to Homesh campaign announced they were not surprised by the threats.
"We have grown accustomed to the fact that the authorities in Israel are concerned with laws of expulsion and withdrawal. In all other matters of law there is anarchy, neglect and apathy. The big surprise today is the threat to sue us in civil court for the expenses that the state will incur for suppressing the return to Homesh," they said.
The fact that we could be made to pay security costs brings to mind a similar situation in Saddam Hussein's Iraq, where families had to pay for the ammunition used to kill their loved ones." Event leaders said they would be happy to pay the fines, as soon as all other citizens who are causing the police to spend a great deal of money, and used as examples Israel Islamic Movement head Ra'ad Salah, former justice minister Haim Ramon, President Moshe Katzav, and the Parinyan brothers.
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Yes you will. As the bible says "ashes to ashes and dust to dust"
..."then people of sanity in Israel must start to fight for Israel`s security..." Both of them? And why are you still in my country? You should be on the front lines battling for the righteous settlers. Au voir!
"Those religious fanatics have had the pleasure of defense by Israel no matter how criminal their behavior." There are many of those fanatics in jail for not only committing terrorist acts but for only planning such attacks. Sure, they're given more leeway than they should have, and aren't treated as toughly as the Left, but they certainly not ignored. Meanwhile, the Pals and other Arabs make heroes of their fanatics, naming schools, roads and govt buildings after suicide bombers. They've never arrested, furthermore tried or convicted, terrorists. Vent your spleen on the real problem: The continued war against Israel's existence and demand for another ethnic cleansing of Jews. Solve those problems and there'll be peace.
OLMERT HAS THE ORDERS IN HIS SLEEVES, IF ITS TOO CHASE THE SETTLERS AWAY THEN THE IDF WILL HAVE TOO, STILL SOUNDS LIKE A TERRORIST FORCE,MAUREEN ANNE?CLICKFOOL?DUTCH DORIS?STEPHEN MURRAY?BALISTIC??MARILYN???OR DO YOU IDIOTS ONLY PIPE UP WHEN THERE IS SOMETHING TOO MOAN ABOUT??
ONE THING YOU CAN BE SURE OF MAUREEN IS THAT 90% OF POSTERS ARE USING PSUEDONYMS LIKE YOU !! AS TO MY VIEWS THAY ARE BASED ON COMMON SENSE OF WHICH YOU CLEARLY HAVE NONE !! REAL FACTS AND NOT MEDIA HYPE ACCURATE HISTORY !! A SENSE OF THE REAL INTENTIONS OF MUSLIMS AND ATTACKING IDIOT FELLOW TRAVELLERS LIKE YOUR SELF !!.
do not normally support the creation of another Sharia type Islamo-fascist state in the ME. The Palesitnians showed the world how eager they were to build a state, when they turned the old Jewish settlements of Gaza into launching pads for missiles into Israel and terrorist training camps and elected Hamas (a terorist group which oppresses women, gays and all non mulsims) into government as a direct response to Israel's withdrawal. With the benefit of hindsight, I think its fair to call those who support the creation of so called "palestinian state" (including the "human" rights activists) the "right wing fascist types" -- you are all complicit in the creation of a fascist terrorist state which has no respect for the rule of law and basic human rights. Maureen, for being complicit in such an act, you & many others who live in the comfort zone of the "west" will very shortly experience what it is like to be an Israeli...Islamist terror in Bali & London was only the start
We do not side with zionism either,so what is your point
show time and again, when you shout (using upper case.) You do yourself further harm, by not having the courtesy to use the poster's correct name.
without any form of assistance or protection from israel, the idf, or the national community. the reason all illegal settlements exist is the same reason this bunch of clowns are so boldly attempting to reclaim what they were forced from; which is that they know israel will protect them and eventually subsidize them. its time to pull the plug on them... the political winds are changing...and not in their favor...
palestinians.they don't own the land.they are the muslim migrant workers' descendants.aren't they smart--calling themselves palestinians(got the name from the word "PALESTINE").
Joshua 18;3 and Joshua said unto the children of Israel,how long are ye slack to go to possess the land ,which the lord God of your fathers hath given you? 1st.Samuel 15;22 and Samuel said, hath the Lord as great delight in burt oferings and sacrifices as in obeying the voice of the lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice,and to hearken than the fat of rams.vs. 23 for rebellion is as the sin of wichcraft,and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.becouse thou hast rejected the word of the Lord,he hath also rejected thee from being king
Earlier the story was that the IDF was too weak to stop the Settlers from doing anything they wished. Now we are told different. I will believe what happens. The hour of reckoning is now. Israel must decide whether it wants universal Arab recognition - no matter how begrudgingly - or whether it wants eternal war. Peace will require telling the religious fanatics that Israel's future is more important than their delusions. Peace will require forcing those religious fanatics to either return to Israel or become Palestinians. Those religious fanatics have had the pleasure of defense by Israel no matter how criminal their behavior. They - like all criminal elements - will be totally opposed to the end of their criminal reign. The IDF needs very, very, clear guidance now, or only chaos can result.
Just confirmed my suspicions from Berkley the leftist capital of the world and also probably a foreign activist. Must be a few of these guys gameing the talkback tonight.
You just confirmed my suspicions. Probably from Berkley, and one of those leftist foreign so called peace activist. Probably working together to game the talkback today.
Pretend the marchers are Palestinians. You'll find it quite easy to turn them back.
I'm sick of "international activists"-who come from and represent countries whose own human rights records makes the state of Israel look like a state of utopia - come to Israel or this forum & sanctimounsly lecture Jews on human rights whilst quoting so called "international law" to their liking & convienance. Who the hell are you? In addition to giving Israelis lectures on int.law, maybe should give the palestinians - who don't JUST murder Jews but also murder their own in the thousands- some lectures too? For a start I thought the concept of having Sharia law in Gaza contradicted the very same "international law" you so self-righteously quote? no? And what about trying to act as human sheilds for the Israeli people of Sderot? Need I go on about Israel? maybe you could all go to Sudan and act as human sheilds for the millions of christians who are murdered by Islamic fundamentalists and lecture the Islamists (the same ones you shield in Gaza) on human rights?See how they take to it?
Non of this wouldhave happended if the Arab League had accepted the partition in 1947, if Jordan hadn't attacked in 1967, if the Arabs routed in the that war had accepted Israel's land for peace offer, if Arafat had accepted the Clinton-Barak offer in 2000 (more or less what they're seeking now) the Palestinians had not launched their filthy intifada that killed so many since 2000, and more recently if the Palestinians had not voted in leaders whose purpose in life is to destroy Israel.
Dream on, buddy. When did Israel ever not win something they could win? Israel, like the USA, has exposed its fatal weakness. It's over. Bigger rocks to come, believe me.
ONLY RETURN!!!. we are all with you heroes of Homesh
What would the 73 war have to do with me as an American. And why are you here if you dont like it. Why not return to your beloved Israel and "Shoot yourself" a few more Helpless Palestinians. Are you an American or not.Make your mind up.
You are quite right. Someone has to insist that the state is one of law and order and that its authority cannot continue to be flouted. What is worrying is that the state's agents are letting the settlers know that they will be undermanned and outnumbered. This is not a time to tell the settlers what the state intends, but it is the time to prepare to use the same massive force it employs in other contexts when the state is threatened.
You must be from Berkley the cradle of leftist lunacy in the US. Leftist anti semitism at work. By the way I was in the 73 war where were you?? We jews will survive as a nation no matter how you leftist will try and stop it.
Any relationship to Labhras O'Murchu from the FF Far left party in Ireland?? Just curious. Long LIve Israel as a Jewish State
The people who want to live in the West Bank are victims of the Jewish religion. The Jewish explanation of history ignores the reality and is sadly based on myths. The same mistakes are committed by narrowly educated Muslim imams and clerics. Both parties should cleanse themselves from those hollow dogmas.
Any Relationship to Labhras O'Murchu who from the FF in Ireland? I could be wrong but just curious? Curious Long Live Israel as a Jewish State
You Israelis are so funny, I never can get enough.
It would be silly of me to argue that demographics was not one of the leading causes to disengagement but I don't believe it to be the stongest. I suppose that if you were to put the issue into that perspective, you would draw this conclusion. Nonetheless, Israel has no issue in holding territory with a dominant arab majority and the only place in Israel that demographics is calculated in no other then in Jerusalem. The expulsion of Jews from the Gush Katif bloc have deepers roots, some that I can not discuss here online.
alon that was a fiendish post.
Chaim, Chaim, Chaim...You are so typical for a Jew living in the USA. And what's so ironic is that you are living in a country where the rule of law, which is ESSENTIAL to ANY democracy, is followed. We here in Israel also believe in the rule of law - yes more strongly than YOUR INTERPRETATION of G-d's law.
Try scattering a few thousand cluster bomblets around the place - that should keep it clear of settlers! That's the tecnique tried by the IDF in southern Lebanon to stop people going back to their villages.
"Peace Officers" riding high again.Perhaps a donation to them from the Arab League more effective than to the PLO.They serve the same interets anyhow.
Make up your mind. If you insist on detailing the arab flight from Israel during the war of independence, then you should probably take into consideration that palestine was partioned during the british mandate. Israel on one side of the Jordan river and TransJordan on the other. Not propaganda, fact!!
there is no point in fighting among ourselves.the pals have declared a war that has no end.let us concentrate on defending the state.
"then we will be living a schizoprenic environment where the psychopaths will be leaders of all the other fools." We already are, haven't you noticed?
THE " SETTLERS" KILL NO ONE AND THE GOVERNMENT TRANGRESSES THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS !! WHILST NEGLECT ON THE ROADS KILLS AND MAIMS MANY. GET YOU PPPPPRIORITIES IN ORDER MANY DRIVERS SHOULD BE THROWN IN JAIL !!
And if they return and overturn that Law- GIVE THEM A MEDAL for trying to save B'Galils Donkey.
SHALL I REPEAT THE QUESTIONS FOR YOU ??? UNTOUCHCABLE MUSLIMS SUDAN CHINA TIBET TAMILS E TIMOR
Hi Miriam. Tell me do you miss the old Apartheid days. You seem to want to keep in touch with the latest one. Regards.
Ofer states"You are the only one besides the Arabs) That believes the Gush Kativ Surrender was good for Israel.
Let them re-settle! Just don't give them any protection. Instead of Israel having to do the dirty work, let the palestinians rid of them for us. A few less parisites from Brooklyn would be nice.
Nephtaly,you state, "Now we know that the disengagement did not accomplish anything." Actually it did accomplish exactly what it was intended to do. "Demographics"????.
Sam has last word. But is it because he "Chose "to or because he is"??????).
why don't YOU start packing? I suggest Caledonia, ontario with a thousand km radius!
It's time for some justice
"Ben Gurion" begged the Arabs to stay. Maybe he should have just asked nicely instead of begging.
(IsraelNN.com) Police, IDF soldiers and even Prime Minister Ehud Olmert are being invited to atone for the mistakes of the Disengagement by lending a hand in rebuilding Homesh. The IDF may have already decided to stand down and allow the return to take place. Tzfat?s Chief Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu issued a public call to all IDF soldiers and police officers who took part in the Disengagement to atone for their misdeeds by donating money to those expellees attempting to return and rebuild their destroyed homes.
Sounds to me that you are a foriegn activist here in the Usa. Time you left and went to Israel to practice your own brand of "AntiNonsemitism".With friends like you Israel does not need enemies. Bon Voyage.
"16 Pharaoh king of Egypt had attacked and captured Gezer. He had set it on fire. He killed its Canaanite inhabitants and then gave it as a wedding gift to his daughter, Solomon's wife.. 20 All the people left from the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites (these peoples were not Israelites), 21 that is, their descendants remaining in the land, whom the Israelites could not exterminate?these Solomon conscripted for his slave labor force, as it is to this day." - 1 Kings 9:16-21 "David Killed each and every Canaanite alive. There was not one Canaanite alive after David." - Steven Quite amazing, and what a miracle. David kills them all and they are still alive in Solomon's days. In fact, David was not interested in killing the previous inhabitants. That is why he BOUGHT the land for the future temple from Arauna the Jebusite. He could have killed him and taken the land, but David was more decent that Steven.
give it back to the natives,sounds good to me ,start with oka and 200 km radius
The self described foreign controled and funded activist who you call the International Observers. The settlers are Israeli
When are you leaving.Dont need your type in the US.
Than leave the land of others,if you want to play that racist game.It will be Done to you as you do to others.Are jews ok with that?
David Killed each and every Canaanite alive. There was not one Canaanite alive after David. That is one of the 613 mitzvot of the torah. King David accomplished that mitzvah for all Jews. You Otto are not only an anti-semite, but you are quite ignorant. Moreoever, you excuse terror.
The settlers or the International Obserservers?!
Amen!
Why don't you packed up and give Canada back to France or to the natives?
It's no use to continue the dialogue between us. As a fundamentalist, you believe in the literary meaning of the Torah and you are selective too. The instruction to Joshua to exterminate the Canaanites is not in the Torah. And anyhow Joshua never complied: Canaanites continued living in the land. David and Solomon married Canaanite women, the Canaanites had even their places of worship in Judea and Samaria until the exile, in spite of some kings destroying them temporarily. On the other hand the Torah speaks of honoring the "ger" in the sense of non Jewish people, "because we were 'gerim" in the land of Egypt. Maybe your God is God of war and allocator of real estate; my God is a God of peace: Oseh Shalom bim'romav...
No more room for argument. You are evil, you support terror. Rachel came to Gaza to protect terrorists. That is a fact, not an opinion.
The international law is clear on the administration of hostile territories: the occupying power has responsibility for the infrastucture and utilities; NO TRANSFER of population! Protection of the civilians. And this applies only to temporary occupation. In the long run, no country is allowed to acquire territory as a result of occupation, whether it was offensive or defensive. The Palestinian state is not based on the good will of Israelis but on the right of self-identification. Now are you for a more extended occupation with all the fiscal, moral and administrative pitfalls it provides? Or are you for a just settlement which means returning occupied territories to the regime it represents them? Inclusion of Jordan in the peace process is a neat idea, but is Jordan, now a friendly state to Israel, interested? Like so many Israelis, you look at the situation from a very narrow angle: your own intertests. Remember Hillel: If I am not for myself, etc.
Time For Jewish Resistance in my opinion if the world is against Israel then people of sanity in Israel must start to fight for Israel's security and that means no to more concessions to the world and to the arabs. Israel has gotten nowhere by giving up everything. Most of the people who are against Israel on this article I bet are some of the foreign actvist in the West Bank?
First of all anti-semitism and anti-zionism, is on in the same. The non Jews hated Jews for not having a land, now they hate us for having a land. Zionism is part of Judaism. How can a Jew follow the law of shmittah outside the land of Israel. The law of Shmittah is a direct law found in the torah. deal with reality, my dear jew hater blog buddy.
Who cares about Rachel Corrie she was a Jew hater from start to finish I have no sympathy with her
Good answer, Aaron. I am glad that someone stands up to people who try to impose their ideology on others. Everybody is free to believe what they want, but not assume that theirs is the only truth.
"Why to live where you are not welcome? Why "to make a point of it" at the expense of blood shedding?" - Otto R. Hello Otto, Messianists are not bothered by such trifles as being "welcome". They are preparing the way for the Messiah, and when he comes all those welcome problems will disappear. Perhaps even the Palestinians will disappear. The Messianists suffered a big blow in Gaza. They had to conclude either that their project does not have the backing from high above, or that the present generation is not worthy of "redemption". (This is the traditional Jewish excuse for failed messianic promises.) If the messianists can recover any lost ground, even Homesh, it will be a big boost to their morale and expectations. It is very important to defeat them (with God's help..)in this latest attempt.
Steve, now you are revealing another part of propaganda brainwashing: those who don't agree with Israel are Jew haters. This is an easy excuse: a relative of mine was fired by his company for incompetence, so he called it antisemitism. This is paranoia, Steve, a national paranoia, probably caused by centuries of persecution. But it is not true today. The International court is not pro-Jewish or anti_Jewish. It's a court of justice. The UN is made up of many member states, not all anti-Jewish or anti-Israeli, but, in truth, there is a swelling trend among the UN nations to oppose what they understand as racism and colonialism in Israel. Can you defend either of these?
East Jerusalem was mostly owned by Jews. Jews lost land also. All the land was owned by Jews. Muslim colonists never owned Land in Judea and Sameria, they merely stole it. Next do not try and quote Jewish ideals to me. You would not know the torah, if you fell on it. According to the torah, all non Jews that live in established communities inside Israel must be expelled. I agree with G-d. If you want to say G-d is wrong that is your business, but if you quote religous ideals and spit in the face of G-d, how bright are you?
seems to me you are not familiar with international law whatsoever. we have right to keep control of Gaza and West Bank since the regions are a right of conquest. such is reality. now the fact that we are expected to surrender the land to make way for a palestinian state is another issue. why should israel bear the price of creating a palestinian state from their portion of palestine which jordan is also part off. Or do you only know half truths and twisted laws?
Buddy, you know nothing about the Palestine. You know nothing about its history, its inhabitants or its culture. All you are familiar with are fabricated lies and bewildering fantasies. Learn the history of Paletine before it was Israel, and you would realize that not even most of todays Palestinians were native to this land. Most of us, from both Jewish and non Jewish backgrounds settled in Palestine from different regions. Now the only people to have ancient roots in the land of Palestine are the Jewish Peace. Now that is an undeniable fact.
This is still a one sided propaganda. It's true that the Arab states did not accept the partition resolution and launched a war against Israel. From their point of view the resolution was an imposition of a foreign regime in a land that belonged largely to the Arabs. Many Arabs left from fear. They were wrong and most importantly, they lost the war. Israel gained additional territory that is today undisputed among most Arabs. The Saudi initiative is based on the results of the War of Independence. This does not free Israel from complying with its obligations as a democratic country in which one law applies to Jews and Arabs.I know it's hard to upkeep democratic principles in light of the hostility of much of the Arab population, but it's a two edged sword. The more you oppress the more hostility you create. Did you hear of the concepts of "havlagah" and "mishpat zedek?" This is the way to go.
You are mistaken gveret. We here in Israel do not believe that the govt made the right decision in removing Jews from the Gush Katif bloc, yet we do understand the sacrifice. Now we know that the disengagement did not accomplish anything. There is no peace with Gazans, and there is no halt of attacks against Israelis from within Gaza. So with all due respect, can you please tell me what were our accomplishments in surrendering Gaza, also our home, to the Palestinians? We Israelis are willing to sacrifice much for a genuine peace, but we cant wait forever. Untill then, the Jewish people have all right to settle the land of Eretz Yisrael. I am looking foward to hearing from you.. Cheers from Pardesiah
I know what the Hague is worth, I know what the UN is worth, a bunch of Jew haters like you, that is what it is worth.
report these actions to the THE HAGUE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE, that's what they are there for. Go on be brave and do it. Lets justice prvail.
Arabs that wanted to kill Jews were killed in turn. Nevertheless, Israel agreed to the UN plan the Arabs did not. Deal with reality.
That's right! Just ask your parents and the elder's they know the truth. If you want to settle "settle in your own homes and lands" and not the stollen palestinain lands.
Your statements are untrue and based on Israeli propaganda. While a few Arabs left on their own, most were expelled from areas Israel conquered: Lod, Ramla, the Jordan Valley, the coastal towns, etc (and not always without the use of force).. Only in Haifa a real attempt was made to convince the Arabs to stay, and as a result truly good relations developed between the Arabs and Jews there. Steven, you are puzzled why Ben Gurion called on the Arabs to stay. Are you completely oblivious of the fact that even within the 1947 partition boundaries Arabs and Jews were destined to live together? Th UN did not vote for Judenfrei or Arabfrei territories. Logically, people who lived in the areas were supposed to continue living there, and the Israeli Declaration of Independence reflects this.
then we will be living a schizoprenic environment where the psychopaths will be leaders of all the other fools. So VIVA HOOLIGANISM , you lucky minority., Deal with reality steven
can you still remember recently a Gaza girl who was shot in the head, while attending sheep; remember the girl who was shot by an officer to certify death, remember when a ton bomb was drop on a militant house in Gaza, killing dozens of innocents too. Steven any CRIME IS a BARBARIC ACT,from their sides or our sides, that's why we must have Peace, just to stop such atrocities in our midsts. I've got no problems of considering them Human Beings, THEM (who acted that way) WILL HAVE TO LIVE WITH THEIR CONSCIENCE, believe me they will not be able to sleep properly at night, as they will always be haunted of what they've done to another human being. You are right in one thing though"to me a human does not teach people to murder." Definitely. Shalom.
I know Jews from Tangiers (Morrocco) that have deeds to Beach front land. In Tangiers. They left holding the deed and nothing more. They left with their lives. They are happy for that. I do not see the Arab league crying over that. I also do not see Egypt giving back the money extorted from its Jews, for an exit visa from Egypt. Egypt made Jews sign a letter to get an exit visa, that they decided to give all their money and land to the Egyptian gov't as a present. I have yet seen Egypt, a country that Israel made Peace with, deal with that crime.
If Buffalo which is the Arm pit of NY state was bombed by Ontario. The US would flatten Ontario. No questions asked. They would give one warning, see what happens. If the bombings continued, you would see what the US would do. A country's first obligation is to protect its citzens. Israel does not protect its citzens, it gives holy Jewish land to colonial land thieves that use that very land to launch terror attacks and war from on the innocent people of Israel. The US altough a fair weather friend to Israel, would not stand for any nation attacking the US. Remember waco texas? It was just some stupid mad man in compound in Texas and the US used force to stop it. Tosefta, you say a lot but have nothing to back up what you say. Sorry deal with reality.
It's illegal to take land other people lived from and call it "yours", without even trying to compensate the people who were ethnically cleansed to made to flee otherwise. You can't assert rights if doing so affects the rights of others. JJ
Since when did we forget the 1M Jews (1948) that were expelled from arab league countries (Morrocco, Yemen, Iraq etc.) without compensation ? Since when did we forget the longing for and attempts to make peace with the arabs who now educate their children to hate and kill Jews from birth ? Surely it is time to stand up for our nation and take what belongs to us ?
The PM of Israel Ben Gurion (for some sick reason) begged the Israeli Arabs to stay. They decided to leave. Thus they are not refugees, they are traitors to their own country.
So these police literaly allow the settlers to walk all over them, if you dont believe me read this rubbish and google and you tube "violent settlers".
"For each rocket that left from Gaza since the Jews left Gaza. If you agree to do that, I might agree to what you have to say!!!!" - Steven Steven, I am not making any such deals. The laws of a country must be respected by its citizens. They cannot break the law and say: "Qassams are hitting Israel". How about you refusing to obey US laws until the US is out of Iraq?
fantasies as an excuse for stealing land..if what you say is true, then you should have no problem letting an international court decide who really owns the land....let's do it
Why to live where you are not welcome? Why "to make a point of it" at the expense of blood shedding? An independent Israel within a two state solution is the place where Jews are welcomed to live. Should anyone wish to live in a Palestinian state, it would be in accordance with the laws of that state.
It's great that you are able to stand up to moral principles and international law in light of the settlers' campaign based on shovinistic and egoistic self delusions. I travelled recently across the country, literally from Metullah to Eilath, and except for some ultra orthodox circles I found little sympathy for the settlers. True, initially they were deluded by governments that pledged them support, but this is over now. Israel is preparing for peace talks with the Arabs on the basis of the Saudi initiative, and this calls for the evacuation of settlements.PEACE and not land grabbing, is the only guarantee for our chidren and grandchildren to grow up and develop as Jews and law abiding citizens of the world in our Land. The settlement enterprise is corrupting as it calls theft and encroachment of others' property lofty ideals, and it's entangling us in an unending conflict in the area. Of course, the Saudi plan is only an opening for negotiations. It cannot be accepted as is.
For each rocket that left from Gaza since the Jews left Gaza. If you agree to do that, I might agree to what you have to say!!!!
In the US the majority of the Jews do not eat kosher. That is agaisnt the torah. Giving Jewish land away is also against the torah. Just because the majority does it, it does not make it right. The majority of Germans voted for Hitler, he did not become the ruler with a coup d'état! The Palestinians voted for Arafat by majority. They voted for a man that robbed them from their money and from a second Arab homeland built on stolen Jewish land. Then the Arabs voted by Majority for Hamas and thus cut of international aid. The Majority is not always right. By the way, I do not see the majority of Jews supporting surrender to the Arabs. Oslo alone would not have passed if it were not for the Arab minority in Israel supporting. Do not confuse Israeli with Jewish. We have some muslim extremists that want Jews dead that are 100% Israeli.
What about the Jews that were killed and expelled from Judea and Sameria and even Gaza in 1948. Do you like to be an historic revisionist? We are all human? I do not see Jewish mothers handing out candy when their children die while they murder other people. I do not see Israeli television teaching children about being suicide bombers. If you consider people like that, human, that is your problem. To me a human does not teach people to murder. Deal with reality.
1. When Gaza was evacuated, 4 more settlements (including Homesh) were evacuated in northern Samaria in order to create an area for the Palestinians free of settlements. But while Gaza settlements were given over to the PA, Israel kept the empty area in Samaria. What for? Give it over to the Pals and save this type of trouble. 2. Only the organizers of the re-settlement are threatened with fines. Big mistake. Everybody caught in the area should be subject to a fine, even a small one like 1000 Shekel. Just get their names and later send them a bill. Need legislation for this. 3. Everybody settling illegally, in Homesh or in any outpost, should pay some "rent" money to the government for use of the land. Hit them where it hurts, in their pockets.
I believe in fairness,and being GOOD to others, us Jews suffered tremendously before, and like majority of Jews we DO NOT like to see others suffer too, from whatever religion or creed they may come from, we are all HUMAN.
Boundaries have been agreed under unsc. 242. The required boundaries are agreed with egypt, & jordan. The only other boundary agreement needed is with syria. The current positions would suffice. DK
In football match if a player cannot perform in Fair plar received a red card.If certain members of the Security Forces cannot do their jobs the give them a RED CARD.
It will also bring into the light of day the actions of the Pal Gov.
This is our land and no one else's, It is illegal to deny the Jewish people the right to their own land
The settlers had a chance to move. I saw them pelting their own citizens with rocks and debris. IDF acted in the kindest way possible under the circumstances. I saw soldiers who were crying because they had to remove the settlers forcibly. Don't ever say that again, it's just not right. Shame on you.
The Arabs left the land to make the genocide of Jews in Israel an easy task for the Syrians. At the Syrians request even. The people who left should be tried for war crimes. They tried to assist genocide. Their children? If the parents who left to prepare genocide would have been hung for their war crimes, their children would not have been born. Thus Israel does not have to grant anything to people that believe in genocide. Deal with reality.
has brought us nothing but DEATH & MISERIES, my dear friend;Hizb.bombarded us with 4 0 0 0 Missiles, and Hamas at the other end with daily crop of Kassams rockets. One HIBZ. Missile landed in the middle of Haifa Prtrol/Chemical refinery, imagine the damage to the complex if it has hit the very factory.There could have been many hundreds of DEATH in our 500.000 inhabitants. Could be worst next time. That Why like the majority of Israelis I would LIKE TO HAVE PEACE WITH OUR NEIGHBORS, no more WARS. As an old man, who have known nothing but conflicts, I would like to see PEACE, for A L L Israelis(including for you too) and for the long suffered Palestinians too. Shalom
Israel can defeat Hizbullah. Israel choses not to. Israel decided that the Lebanese who let terrorists hide among them, or supporters of terror with a wink or a nod, are more important that Jewish lives. If i were in charge of the IDF, beleive me, Hizbullah would not longer exist. If it had to come to the point that Lebanon would no longer exist, so be it. I do not want to start any wars. Nevertheless, I am only to happy to finish them.
Zev, The Palesinians have the legal right under international law to return to homes they left due to military activity during the '48 war. This is fundamental and would be upheld by any international court. Maybe the 3 or 4 million Pal refugees should do what the settlers are threatening to do...just go back en masse and take the land back..
YOU ARE MOUTHING TOTAL CRAP
The IDF is indeen a poor pitiful excuse for an army, unable to defeat Hizbullah, unable to control the rabid settlers. The IDF is fit only for bulldozing Palestinian homes and orchards and pretty little blonde America peace workers, shooting children, and abusing women at checkpoints.
Aaron, why do you believe in colonial rule? Why do you believe in land theft? Why can't you stand up for Jews living in Judea and Samaria. The word Jew is from Judea, What does Palestinians have to do with Judea and Samaria? You believe in whites taking over South Africa. You believe in the English taking over Australia. You believe in the French taking of Algeria. Shame on you!!
law abiding citizens but those that BREAK THE LAWS with impunity, so they should. This is a democratic country, that is a member of the world communities, as this our Security Forces MUST do their dutied IMPARTIALLY. Please avoid to play on our emotions. Thank you.
Last week I read that settlers that are living TEMPORARILY) on the Military Base in HEBRON, has been there for the past 16 years , no wonder Abbas/Palestinians does not want to hear about The TEMPORARILY WALLS /FENCES, unless they are built on the Green Line(67).
Tell you what though, when you are in for two years, for breaking the laws of the State Of Israel, will bring you some goodies.
to live in other people's home.
if there were no settlements about in West Bank. I also understand that our Security Forces cannot cope with the "Return to Homesh movement "due to important duties after the war with Lebanon ,and the coming holidays etc. Why then, our Government does not turn the evacuated Areas to the Palestinian Security Forces, who I'm sure will be most able to cope. When Gaza was Unilaterally Evacuated, all lands were left behind for the Palestinians to deal with the security of their land. Why NOT NOW??? Anyway lets hope that the LAW will prevail in OUR land of Israel, for the time being.
The settlers are Israel's greatest obstacle to peace.
Since the IDF won't stop the settlers from entering Palestine, let the Palestinian security forces deal with them. It is, after all, their choice to enter that situation. The settlers depending on true Isrtaelis to bail them out when they make trouble is spineless, and they should be left to their own perils.
Can you please explain why the Palestinians have more of a right to the land than the Jews. Can you also explain why according to you they have a right to Shilo, Bet-El, Elon Moreh etc. and not to Jafa and Haifa.
Hi Esther - just to let you know that Yitzchak Shlissel and Ayelet Biber, two young people who worked tirelessly to try and save Gush Katif will be married next week - guess where?? IN ARMONA!!! May G-d bless them and I am sure you will send a fellow Jew a Mazeltov. Please get help for your hate or do you do it automatically when you read the word "settler" I read it as the New Yishuv. Regards Miriam
IT IS AMAZING LINCOLN HOW THE ANTI ISRAEL BRIGADE ONLY TALK ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS FOR ARABS NEVER FOR JEWS!! THESE PEOPLE CALLED SETTLERS ARE BEING ABUSED BY THEIR OWN GOVWERNMENT !! GAZA WILL NOT BE REPEATED
The Jews accepted the UN Partition plan in the 1940's. The Arabs did not. Blame the Arabs. YOu are an Historic revisionist.
and stop being a land thief. Land theft and illegal construction is not only a crime, it's also an obstacle to peace but maybe that's what you are up to.
Choni, ofcourse I don't hate the settlers. They are my erring brethren. However, after living in Israel for 57 yrs (by choice), I have earned the right to criticize what they are doing and how they are doing it. Ulimately the settlements are harming all of us, Israelis and Palestinians alike.
All the IDF need do is pretend the settlers are Palestinians and act accordingly.
The IDF is culpable in all this settlement activities. Now when thew claim they can't stop a bunch of hoodlums, whom on earth believes them?
Why should we ethnicly-cleanse OURSELVES from these or any further land...the only aparteid areas in the Middle East are those presently under the control of Muslims.
If the entire IDF cannot stop a group of settlers, perhaps it is time for Israel to stop wasting money funding an organization which now brags of it's impotence.
Why should IDF stop the reestablishment of Jewish Right to settle the Land of Israel. As missile fly daily towards innocent Jewish civilians is it not obvious to everyone that disengagement was a horrendous failure that needs to be corrected, ideologically and physically. The citizens of Homesh did nothing to deserve the hatefulness and pain directed towards them. Am Yisrael Chai.
dont you know,there are also small letters so its easier to read?Writing in big letters is hard to read and not more understanding.So please stop,it doesnt make more sense.
One of the most powerful military forces on earth can't stop a gaggle of squatters. PULEEEEASE!
Can any Israeli seeking a peaceful existence interpret the words Tzva Hagana Lyisrael is it an acronym for preserve and defend Arab rights or the rights of any seditious element or organization existing under the misconceived interpretation of Democracy to have a unfettered platform to denigrate, disparage, scorn and yes give aid and comfort to a hate, biased, sworn enemy of Jews living period, or is that acronym stand for an, Army that protects Israeli Jews. #2 a supposedly famous name associated with Saving Jews espoused in her viperous hate filled comment the same ideology and exploration of how to streamline the efficiency to resolve the Jewish Question when she states that the effective overwhelming force to enforce the expulsion of Jews from lands that it was primarily used as launching terror act against the Jews since 1948 ?Quote ?from which much has been learned towards future disengagements, particularly dealing with the aftermath in a more well-planned and efficient manner.? May her ideas last and have the same results as her idolized predecessors. She defiles her name sake.
Don't prevent them and don't protect them. Both actions are a waste of energy, time and money. Let the Palestinians keep them out. They know how. (They'll use peaceful persuasion, of course. It's their wont.)
"A clear majority of Israelis would like to see an end to the settler connivings" Why does the frags of Israeli society (LEFTISTS) always resort to lies. Sharon did not have a referandum because he would have lost. THERE WILL BE NO MORE EXPULSIONS (maybe the Left will be expelled. The police and IDF(Olmerts Cronies) are starting to back away when it comes to Homesh. Do not be too quick to give away someone elses home before yours. Get a backbone and become a Jew.
Steven, It is my opinion that the terror card is making MORE terror. Israel has many perceived enemies, seemly afraid of all people and suspicious of anyone. As well the USA is making more enemies than friends defending israel at every turn. Israel should try to live in harmony with all their neighbors. The police say that may not be able to block *return* of the settlers, but if it was Palestines trying to return to their homes on the other side of the fense they would be shot dead. It isnt that the police may not be able to stop the settlers but they WONT.
The IDF and the decision makers in Jerusalem are "unwilling to be able".
There are more people that die from Cancer in the US a year than all of 9/11 deaths. Should the US stop fighting terror, or stop trying to cure cancer? SJ you point makes no sense whatsoever. I can throw in, the US has a higher GDP than Haiti, what does that have to do with the situation?
Steven, there are MORE Israeli's dying in auto accidents than from terrorist attacks in Israel.
sounds like the palestines need to build a fense around israel for the palestines protection and security, to keep theives from stealing land. conviently there are no fenses where jews want to take the land. israel screams that the palestine government doesnt contain the palestines, well this is a real clue that it is israel that is not containing their people either. is the police afraid of these settlers???? are they just giving them a green light??? I think it is both!!!
There is no need for the IDF to help give more land to Arabs so they can bomb us from more areas. The IDF should be busy in stopping Arab terror. No matter what it costs to the people that hide and support and vote for the terrorists. Sorry deal with reality.
NOT MUCH LAW IN FRANCE IS THERE !! THE WORD LAW IS GENERALLY MISUSED BY NITWITS WRITING TO HAARETZ. THE WORLD IS AWASH WITH STATUTE LAW VERY LITTLE IS EVER ENFORCED !! ONE WOULD NEED 3 POLICEMAN TO EVERY CITIZEN 5 LAWYERS AND 1 JUDGE HAARETZ WILL YOU STOP POSTING THE "lAW" POSTS
I am trying to understand your hatred for a Jew who lives in an area you do not approve of. Please Esther tell me why you hate these wonderful people who would never dream of saying anything negative about you or any other Jew? I just don't get it!! What harm have they done to you? Would you prefer the Arabs as neigbours?
I don't like Olmert , Olmert stubbornness , wrongheadedness , frivolous and dangerous pursuit after caliphated and foreign mind poisonous and murderous peace plans is madness , the disengagement law has replaced the abolishment law in 92 prohibiting contact with terror PLO supposedly for peace purpose , this road to peace has so far brought death and misery , dividing Jewish mother homeland Israel and sending Israelis in national raging crisis , As if last summer 4000 hezbollah katyushas aren't enough to turn on red lights and to wak'up minds and while terror quassams are still hiting southern israel , some talkbacks are even titled "new type of settler criminality" and "hang these criminals" , wounds and scars in Zion heart,mind and spirit, how can Olmert's foolishness calls that peace when facts on the ground shout the contrary , wich kind of peace is this peace that give rise to Islam's sodom and gomorrah death idolatres, Olmert "painfull concessions" must be voted out , countered and thwarted , this insane policy must be changed ,
Israel is a state of law. If a law has been broken, prosecute and punish them. If no law has been broken, consider whether one should be passed.
Why don't you start with the Negev?!
To "take up residence" among the Palestinians is fine, but not to steal their land and banish them from it. We hope and pray for the day when it will become mutually possible to "take up residence" without ulterior motives. Maybe for our great-grand children......
Today. the Israeli army is dominated by Talmudic soldiers and officers who graduated from Yishevot (Talmudic schools). These are settlers who are answerable first and foremost to their rabbis in teh settlements..to the army coammnd.
IDF is formed to DEFEND Jews. During the OSLO Psychosis, Israel' hack politicians were manipulated into converting the IDF into a terrorist are my attack Jews, their homes and their commuities. ThE IDF accomplished in a few weeks what Arab Muslims terrorist groups had not accomplished in years--ethnic cleansing of Jews and destructions of the communities in Gaza,Judea and Samria. This atrocity of using the IDF as an Arab Muslim terrorist group must stop. NO MORE IDF ATTACKS ON JEWS
The Police and the IDF will have deployed Abrams Tanks, Apache Helis and APC to murder the rightful owners of the lands stolen by Israel. Yet some rougue jews steal land in broad day light, the same corrupt, murderous and abusive institutions of Israeli democracy claim that they might not be able to stop these criminals. Way to go Isaelis. Free Palestine Now!
Bombing Lebanon back 10 years is no problem, keeping out a few settlers is a mayor problem. Maybe the Hezbollah should dress up as settlers! No Katyushas necessary!
What a bunch of bunk. The government of Israel could very easily stop them from coming back, and should use the same force that would be used in the case that it was Palestinians attempting to infiltrate over the Green Line. What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. If they used that force once this way, we wouldn't have troubles with the settlers. To bad the settlers are actually proxy Israeli gov representatives, filling the essential role of justifying the roads, checkpoints, military bases and occupation regime that is a core element in the policies of the Israeli government from the Left Zionist to Right political parties.
Just as it took numerous attempts to establish Kedumim, Shavei Shomron, and other Jewish communities, just as Jews re-established the Jewish presence throughout the land of Israel, we will return to our land. Come make history. Join us tomorrow!
Ester got it right, Gaza disengagement was the best thing to do except that a negotiated witdrawl would have been even better. Soldiers no longer get killed in Gaza while guarding a gang of thieves and it also helped preserving a Jewish majority a few decades more.
Are unfortunately, in the Middle East. That Israel would be a party to this is disgusting. One is compelled to take up residence amongst Arabs, whether our existence insults their religion or not, just to make a point of it.
Let hamas block those freeloaders.
Ofer, no we don't yet have peace and stability unfortunately, to a large extent due to the flagrant existence of the the remaining settlements.
You are the only one (besides the Arabs) that believes the Gush Katif surrender was good for Israel. After all, you also believe that we now have peace and stability! No?
it's just that the government is not prepared to take decisive action against the settlermovement. Now imagine a palestinian group demanding a return to a former village on Israeli proper. See how quickly that would be stopped
Ben Israel is preaching disinformation and delusion. A clear majority of Israelis would like to see an end to the settler connivings, which have caused Israel such a multitutde of problems. The Gush Katif disengagement was a most heroic enterprise, from which much has been learned towards future disengagements, particularly dealing with the aftermath in a more well-planned and efficient manner.
The post-Zionist gang that has taken control of Israel will not succeeded in breaking the Jewish people's 4000-year old tie to Eretz Israel. The large majority of Israelis now admit that destroying Gush Katif was a disaster of the first order and that Sharon only ordered in order to avoid prosecution by the post-Zionist gang that controls the State prosecutor's office. Thus, this return of Jews to the destroyed sites is not just a operation by a few "crazies" as the media would have you think, but is representative of the Jewish people as a whole.