IDF fears settlers may attack Palestinians in response to freeze

Why are you dragging Israel into the mire? We got our homeland state, May 14th 1948. Zionist greed, religious nut cases seeking a Greater Israel has made more enemies and only brought death and destruction

American GIs aren't complicit in American thug "civilians" going into Afghan and Iraqi towns to get payback against the US government. We even started to rein in our mercenaries (Blackwater) in Iraq. American GIs now are dying to protect Iraqi and Afghan civilians, not to make life hell for them. It's called counterinsurgency. It's the basis for US strategy in both Iraq and Afghanistan. It's also one of the reasons we'll be able to leave Iraq in the foreseeable future.

...IDF fears settlers may attack Palestinians in response to freeze... If those settlers attack Palestinians, the jews everywhere will pay the price. No doubt about this. I promise you.

You can be sarcastic all you want, but the Afghans and Iraqis don't have American settlers making death threats against them nor are there US citizens settling on their land to make life hell for the average Iraqi. In fact, the US forces sometimes protect the lives of civilians in certain instances when Al Qaeda threatens them with revenge. I doubt that is something that occurs very often on the West Bank. Probably not, right?

both ways. It's used to convict too. For being in possession of stolen goods. However you ought read the halakhic discourse. 1st Mishna of the Bava Mezia tractate. It's quite pertinent to the Jerusalem/I/P situation. Almost like cutting a baby in half.

Israel claims the authority to protect Jewish people anywhere in the world. If so, why doesn't Turkey have the right to protect Turkish people under attack by Greeks in Cyprus?

Wallensteins Lager. But there is also the right of self-defense and nowhere is it stronger than in the case of theft. This is the real content of possession of the saying. 40 years are not enough. Nobody takes Israels animus of annexation serious.

And they took the lnad that the lord had given to them.

Wouldn't it be more honest to say that the Zionist settlers take the so-called freeze as a pretext for their permanent hateful behaviour?

syria and iran also occupy !! iraq its little better !

yes i do know that worries you cj.

both enclaves in morroco i know also gives you sleepless nights cj.at the risk of being repetitive "possession is nine tenths..." i think you get the idea cj.

thing with its presence in cyprus which i know concerns you as much as our presence in the west bank. turkey is in cyprus and has been for decades. possession is nine tenths of the law.

land" we did not use our laws.we used jordanian law. we annexed jerusalem and of course israeli law was applied to the city.you are entitled to disagree with us but there is not much point. jerusalem is now an israeli city. possession is nine tenths of the law.

If the IDF really wanted to influence the settlers, all they have to do is threaten that they will no longer defend them from the "natives" who surround them. Then we'll see how devoted they are to that land. The only reason they're so ballsy is that they know the IDF won't hurt them and won't let Palestinians near them. So they behave like spoiled brats. But I know this will never happen.

Watch the video: "Israeli soldiers vandalize Palestinian cars." Sabbah Report http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2009/12/04/israeli-soldiers-vandalize-palestinian-cars/?utm.

223 UNSC resolutions, most of which are only reminders of UNSC resolutions Israel has ignored, with the help of the US veto vote in the UNSC. Never the less, the law still stands, and Israel is obliged to adhere to it. It is still in breech. Israel has no right to institute Israeli law in occupied territories. Territories it admits were 'territories occupied in the recent conflict' (UNSC 242)

sure they are.and when they have committed misdemeanours they are brought before the courts.and ?

"all jews are descended from khazars" johnny boy we have jews from europe asia north africa ethiopia india china and nepal.and they ae all descended from khazars? and the iraqi jews and the moroccan jews too?and the algerian and tunisian jews also?

Always check. It's easy. "Then the Israel would not longer have responsebility either huh." Israel is responsible for ISRAELI civilians. Especially when they're illegally in occupied territories

this is like saying... we want people to stop stealing land but if we do, these robbers may instead attack the very people whom they intended to steal from... go figure!!! i think it sounds like utter rubbish anyway as they don't intend to freeze setllements EVER... they will continue to evict Palestinians and steal their land and think God will condone it. only zionists will believe that God condones stealing but only if it's them who are doing the stealing... if other people steal, it remains a sin.

to look to their own protection from israeli attacks" thanks mark.the palestinians appreciate your suggestion.and mark do you also tell the afghans and iraqis as well as somalis to look to their own protection against american attacks.

no mechanic we do not.nor will we ever.

"Every jewish person is eligible to defend himself from Arab colonialism in the middle East, especially in the jewish lands of Judea and Samaria." How so Daniel? These areas are outside Israels declared borders that THEY declared in May of 1948. If you are talking about a biblical right, forget it! 92% of ALL israelis are descended from Khazer converts from the 6th century who have no more of a biblical right then I would have if I suddenly converted to Judaism.

"the israeli government has no legal rights to order a freeze either !" The Israeli govt is BOUND by International Law to protect the people they are occupying, i.e. the Palestinians. Failure to do so is another war crime they may be prosecuted for. If you think they have no legal right to order a freeze than you must allow they also have no responsibility to protect you from Pal reprisals, or to continue to supply water or electricity to the illegal settlements. AND make no mistake about it, the entire world says the settlements ARE illegal. IF Israel is in fact serious all they have to do is stop all construction materials from leaving Israel proper. Let the settlers build out of mud.

Why would they fear something that they support? Settler mind sets are cemented into the IDF hierarchy already.....the proofs in the pudding......has any settler ever been shot by the IDF?.....PEACE EVER?

Letter From the Agent of the Provisional Government of Israel to the President of the United States, May 15, 1948 ?MY DEAR MR. PRESIDENT: I have the honor to notify you that the state of Israel has been proclaimed as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947, and that a provisional government has been charged to assume the rights and duties of government for preserving law and order within the boundaries of Israel, for defending the state against external aggression, and for discharging the obligations of Israel to the other nations of the world in accordance with international law. The Act of Independence will become effective at one minute after six o?clock on the evening of 14 May 1948, Washington time.?

Israel has no legal right to settle occupied territory with its own people.

Then the Israel would not longer have responsebility either huh.

All the time the media writes of escalation and what might upset the Arab street but the Arab street clearly never likes Israel and just Israel existing is enough to upset extremist like Hamas.

As a matter of fact, you're right about China's power over the US. Our only hope is that they believe it would cost them too much to put us down. As to using brainpower, I would submit your personal attacks on people you disagree with (rather than trying to prove them wrong) speak to your use of brainpower. Of course it may be that is the best you can do.

This nonsense of land belonging to people just because their religion originates there needs nipped in the bud.

how low can Bibi go. now they are threatening the lives of Palestinians to blackmail PNA, US and EU.

Every jewish person is eligible to defend himself from Arab colonialism in the middle East, especially in the jewish lands of Judea and Samaria.

Or why anyone? If the only right is might, arm yourselves and fight to the end. But didn't we agree that wasn't a good thing? Don't bad things happen when the rules are ignored?

"..the israeli government has no legal rights to order a freeze either " Correct. Israel has no civil jurisdiction in occupied territories.

Somebody got it right. The IDF fears were well placed. Its happened in Nablus. http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=244251 Apparently, the IDF couldn't or wouldn't respond. Looks like the Palestinians have to look to their own for protection.

They had attacked , they are attacking now and they will attack in the future. The IDF will see this clearly if they just look and see . The IDF is busy protecting the aggressive and attacking Settlers and care not if the attack the Pals. ......

If isreal wants a 2 state solution, why doesn't the IDF just hand controll of the WB over to the PA and tell the settlers "if you want to stay and live under Palistinian law, then stay. If you want to move back across the Green Line, then you will live under Israeli law". Would sure be a lot easier for everybody than a huge reality show Type drama of forced evacuations and boo hooing of the poor settlers.

And not hide behind superficial claims ! Abbas is worried about the final results when the palestinians in bulk will not support him or go with him. Abbas knew he is the last one who can unite the palestinians under one leadership. Even the fox Arafat couldn't do that only with lot of lies and twisting of the truth. He created visions for the palestinians that no one can made realities. The Prime Minster is right ! Abbas is not only unable to make peace but also he failed to make any convincing lies !

they will get put under curfew and have tear gas fired at them "to separate the populations"--while the settlers return home. Pathetic.

the govt didnt have the balls to turn hmas gaza off so what chance with the settlers. potty do try using brainpower instead of your fairy wand!

Perhaps neither of them has legal rights, but Obama can make Israel quite uncomfortable if he cuts off money and support, and the government can make the settlers quite uncomfortable if it cuts off water and electricity.

the israeli government has no legal rights to order a freeze either !

... and all the Arab Countries rejected the resolution of 29 November 1947 and declared war on the unborn Jewish Republic with the entire might of the five of them ? And made the declaration of the esteemed organization laughable & its declaration null & void. The land, because of the Arab Countries rejection turned into no man's land and free for all. There was no other solution left ! Israel took what it was able to take and accepted to have the land divided between itself and the Arabs. The wars continued to be the solution the Arab Countries decided. In 1967 another War started and once again the Arab Countries failed ! Israel did exactly what the Arabs intended to do for themselves ! Took the rest of the land through the War the Arab Started. Now all is Kosher (in Arabic Hallal) ! Good luck & Shabath Shaloom Mr President !

What's the first thing that happened after 9/11? American media began posting stories about the fear of a backlash by Americans against Muslims. So once again, we are preemptively blaming the victim for acts they have not even carried out.

Where are the limits of 'self defence' ? If not when the rockets are coming ! From both Gaza & Lebanon ! And G-d's forbid from Iran ? This conflict goes beyond self-defence ! It is a defence beyond the self. The World is doing nothing except looking after its interests ! Why we are not allowed to do the same ? To protect Democracy & the law & order ? Where is Democracy & the rule of the law in Iraq & Afghanistan say nothing about Vietnam etc.. Democracy & the rule of law are in crisis ! We are living in an exceptional times now! The good in us was pushed back ! Time to defend it with the enemies dirty weapons ! Otherwise we will ends up just like our enemies if we don't put the good in us on hold, till we slain the evil. An eye for an eye is not an empty law. It's time now ! This is a Government of Israel with a special task. If it is not supported with absolute UNITY the price is high ! Olmert tried the opposite with both; with Palestinians & on the int stage & failed.

How Law abiding Jew settlers are. These fanatics a stronger than the Israeli Government and are able to bring it down and even divide the army and the society

How about building a wall around them? just a thought

We all know that those settlers(colonizers) are allowed to carry guns to (protect) themselves from Palestinians and yet the IDF assures their protection. Those colonizers will be the end of israel as a state

a vigilante driven theocracy? Sad.

I would rephrase your atatement to there are two kinds of people in the world, those who obey the law, and the squatters, who don't. What about you jail them, and then deport them back to where they came from. A few less crazies and things would be a lot better. Shalom.

and Netanyaou accusing the Pals of not wanting peace whereas there has never been any freeze of the settlements ... But who are these people fooling the whole world and breaking international laws for decades? When will they be stopped and apprehended? They are clearly the greater threat to the world's peace currently.

go to your national home then.

"Settler leaders on Friday pledged to take advantage of the weekend lull in the Defense Ministry's active enforcement of the freeze by stepping up construction in their community. Ministry officials have warned, however, that settlers who defy the freeze over the weekend will be stopped.Inspectors will return on Sunday and halt any construction activity, should there be," said associates of Defense Minister Ehud Barak." LOL. So the freeze is only for 10 months, only on a few small categories of buildings, doesn't apply at the weekends or before 9pm or after 5pm, or during lunch hour, doesn't apply to a whole list of future projects already approved, and is an excuse we were told yesterday not to proceed with previously ordered demolitions and removals. Has anything at all actually been frozen?!!! Oh sorry, I forgot, a settler was having trouble building his pergola. 1 frozen pergola. That's REALLY going to show the world Israel wants peace. Get tough on that pergola Bibi!

If Israel does not want the palestinians to defend themselves ( which clearly it doesn't) than the police and the army are obliged to protect the defenseless palestinian population. But the army is not too interested to go there because palestinians have been considered the enemy and treated accordingly for decades!

what details would they discuss later, last year the Israeli govt took away the resident permits of about 5000 arabs in East Jerusalem, it is as clear as day what the objective is, and that is to expand the settlements until they have eaten away at every inch of the city, unfortunately the cycle of violence that has already begun will not stop, from either side, unless a political decision is taken by the Israeli govet and the IDF are asked to control the situation which will result, as someone has already mentioned, in an Israeli civil war. It would do the Palestinians good to sit and refuse to talk and wait and see what happens, they honestly have nothing to lose do they, and a lot to gain from an Israeli civil war. Israel is as fragile democracy as any of its neighbors, they are not immune to strife and they have to deal with fundamentalist settlers and other extreme religious right wing groups, the way the PA has to deal with Hamas and the sort.

the government of israel are acting unlawfully as they require a vote in the knesset to approve their measures ! they have no power to change any part of the balfour declaration which is legally binding on all parties even today by its inclusion at san remo by resolution in 1920 !

The people also have the right to disagree when the government is not listening to them ! Some times the Government can be wrong ! In short ! No government can give land to an enemy who vowed to destroy the country; even if that government is properly elected; it has no right to give land whatever is the reason ! The Palestinians show no sign of peace in the 60 years of Israel. That is the long & short of it. Giving land to the enemy is neither the right nor the duty of any Government.

"IDF fears settlers many attack Palestinians in response to freeze" Ed. The settlers will always fight for what it is right for Israel irrespective of themselves ! If the palestinians wants Peace that is exactly what the settlers will give them. If the palestinians wants war; what else the settlers will give ? The settlers will obey the law if the law will protect them & their future in the state of Israel. That is why they are here for ! What else a good citizen can do ?! The Government must be frank with its citizens & tell them what is the future of the country & not pull the country from under the feet of the people. That is the government taking the law in its own hand.

There's mans laws and there's G-ds laws. There's free will and G-ds will. In all cases, G-d trumps man. Don't be surprised if the Israeli's answer to a Higher Power than that of men, Don't be surprised if the struggle continues as it has in favor of Israel.

Was the west of the Jordan river given to the Jews? Of course mot!

"He also blamed the PA for not responding to Israel's decision to freeze settlement construction and for refusing to return to the negotiating table. Netanyahu called PA President Mahmoud Abbas "someone who refuses peace." LOL! Yes, clearly the PA isn't responding to the freeze...what freeze btw? Q: Who is refusing peace? A: Israel, by way of the settlers - point.

If IDF cannot protect the Palestinians from settlers an International force has to go to the occupies lands and save them.

It may be politically wise and expedient to use the civil and Border Police to handle unruly settler elements just now. However it is inaccurate to claim that the IDF's charter is solely to defend Israel against its enemies. No army has such a charter. An army's duty is to obey the lawful orders they receive, whatever these are. Every army is required to provide 'assistance in support of the civil power' if the government orders it, which can involve anything from civil emergencies to battling strikers to demolishing settlements. The government may equally order it to put down an armed insurrection, secession, mutiny etc. In short, no army just defends the state against external enemies, they defend it against all who threaten the state, whether external or, if required by the lawfully appointed government, internal. Those who murmur about civil war would do well to remember that.

"The land west of the Jordan river is the Jewish National Home." No, it is not. Read the Balfour Declaration and the Mandate CAREFULLY. You have no legal justification for your claim.

'Israelis are sick and tired of being pushed off the land and their homes in a state that was created as a homeland for Jews.' Josiah confuses the sovereign territory of the State of Israel with the acquisitve wish-dreams of the far right. Israel ONLY has sovereignty over the area that was offered by the UN in 1947. It includes most of Israel but not Beersheba, Sederot and much of the north. Israel has never declared sovereignty over its 1948/pre-1967 borders. It has NO sovereignty over the West Bank at all and no legitimate legal claim to it under modern international law. Israel can pretend it's 'disputed territory', the trouble is no one buys that - not the US, UN, EU, international courts or even George Bush. The plain fact is that the WB is NOT a 'homeland for the Jews' - never was in the UN's eyes, never will be, never could be.

"Why would the Palestinians want to go to the peace negotiations table when Netanyahu has promised that in 10 months the building will resume, that is if it even stops?" The point of the 10 months freeze is to show that Israel means buinessin talks. Then they can talk about the details later. That is why. What has the other side said?

Let the settlers live in Palestine with the Palestinians, we don't need these crazy right-wing people in Israel

That defending Palestinians against Jewish aggressors using them as hostages against a government that the aggressors themselves elected should fall to the Israel Defence Forces, is a magnificent sleight of hand. God has a sense of humor.

under the circumstances, attacking palestinians is also immoral except in case of self defence. for reasons of diplomacy, the pm had ordered a stop of construction for israeli's in the west bank. this order is a temporary stop for ten months. the order is both legal and necessary for reasons of public policy. all israeli citizens must comply with this order regardless of their nationalistic or religious inclinations.

on 14 may 1948, israel declared itself a sovereign state and national homeland of the jews. it established its borders THEN, and no mention was made of "the land west of the jordan river", nor did it include that land within its borders. oops! i guess maybe you missed that.

I don't get it. How does your statement justify violence against innocent people? That is exactly what Hamas does.

....the IDF will have to use force against them, if necessary also lethal one. That will be the ultimate lackmus test, whether Israel can still be considered a state of law (even if not a perfect one), or whether the Israel of 2009 has already reached the stage of a racist "rogue state". The world will watch, and the world will make a judgement....

Border Police /Police and not the IDF. The IDF has its own charter. That is, to defend Israel against its enemies. If the right wing settlers become enemies of the State. Then we may well have a civil war. May this be clear.

Why would the Palestinians want to go to the peace negotiations table when Netanyahu has promised that in 10 months the building will resume, that is if it even stops. What a smoke screen, or to make it appropriate to scandinavia, what a red herring.

the land and their homes in a state that was created as a homeland for Jews. They are tired of giving up land for false assurances of peace to those who hate and intend to murder them. These Israeli's are fighting mad and will resist even if it brings down Bibi's government. Bibi no longer represents his constituency. He has betrayed his people and his own ideals. His days may be numbered as PM.Israel doesn't need a puppet PM on a string , jerked around by Obama !

... the settlement industry should have been swept out of the West Bank when the first innocuous illegal shack went up... ... now it threatens to be the ruination of Israel...

Israel is legally obliged under International Law to protect Palestinians in the occupied territories. Failure to do so would be a war crime.

Yes as the brother above said these lands have been passed to the Palestines generation after generation.Israel should stop and let both parties live in peace.

UN peacekeeping forces may have to be sent in to protect the Palestinians if the IDF can't do their job.

GWN: "The land west of the Jordan river is the Jewish National Home" For that to be true then the original articles of Mandate would have had to have said this: ..."the establishment OF Palestine AS THE national home for the Jewish people,".... Unfortunately for your claim, the articles of Mandate actually said this: ..."the establishment IN Palestine OF A national home for the Jewish people,".... They are most definitely not the same thing, and you only need to mull over this for a few seconds to understand that THREE WORDS IN CAPITALS make all the difference.

Hamas must be delighted at the prospect of some extremist settlers turning to terrorism.

Is our faith about how we live, search for truth and treat the most helpless? Or is our faith about coveting land that has passed through fifty generations of Palestinians and imposing whatever indignities we can to regain that land? I would hope we are the ones capable of traveling that high moral road to which we have traditionally paid homage. It is time to move on!

For decades the IDF has protected Settlers when they attacked Palestinians. The IDF has allowed the destruction of olive trees, the destruction of fields and the separation of Palestinians from their fields by the wall. The IDF has allowed the Settlers to abuse, harass, assault, and even murder Palestinians without fear of reprisal or justice. Now the IDF 'fears' that "Settlers" will do what it has protected and tacitly approved of for decades? The IDF needs a shot of morals, a does of decency and a jolt of reality. IT is NOW fearful of what it has protected, encouraged and defended for decades? Poor thing, the IDF, it has abandoned all decency for decades and now fears the consequences? Israel needs to observe Yom Kippur. And much more. It needs to spend a year or two reflecting upon how it has arrived where - and what - it is. I respect Yom Kippur as the most important religious day in human history. But then what good is it if no one actually questions their deeds?

Geneva Conventions (and similar pesky little laws) require it to do things like grant all those who live there citizenship, allow the refugees to return or settle with them on compensation (their choice, BTW, not Israel's), and it seems the Israeli government is not willing to do that, so they will remain Occupied Territories (which bring a whole different set of safeguards into play, including a little something that means Israel's attempts to change the ethnic makeup, and usurption of authority on things like building permits etc, are in fact prosecutable war crimes.

Maybe if the settlers would build their settlements inside of Israel's proper borders, then they wouldn't have this problem. Simple as that.

?MY DEAR MR. PRESIDENT: I have the honor to notify you that the state of Israel has been proclaimed as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947,

There are generally two kinds of people in the World. There are smart people and there are stupid people. If all the smart people in the World were able to speak out and get together, they could solve all the World's problems. But unforetunately, when you're smart enough, you know enough to just keep your mouth shut and your head down. So that leaves all the stupid people alone to run amuck and do whatever they want until the cops paid for by the smart people arrive. Meanwhile, the stupid people overhear another stupid person speaking and because they've never heard someone speak before, they follow the other stupid person. So finally, the cops show up but they remember that they were all supposed to meet up at the donut shop. So they leave all the stupid people and their stupid leaders to run amuck messing it up for all the smart people who just wanted to celebrate Thanksgiving in Peace.