Hugo Chavez: Israel plans to 'terminate the Palestinian people'
Venezuelan President echoes Abbas' criticism over Netanyahu plan to halt settlement construction.
By News Agencies Tags: Benjamin Netanyahu Mahmoud Abbas Israel news settlement buildingVenezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Friday charged that Israel aims to "terminate the Palestinian people" and said he backs the establishment of Jerusalem as capital of an independent Palestinian state.
"We .. are on the side of the Palestinian people's memorable struggle ... against the genocidal state of Israel that knocks down, kills and aims to terminate the Palestinian people," Chavez told visiting Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.
"We reiterate ... our greatest commitment and our greatest solidarity ... for the creation of an independent Palestinian state with the holy city of Jerusalem as its capital," he added during Abbas' first state visit to the country.
Chavez gave no details to support his charge that the Israel sought to eliminate the Palestinian population.
Socialist Chavez is a harsh critic of both Israel and the United States. In January, Venezuela cut diplomatic relations with Israel over the Israeli offensive in Gaza of nearly a year ago, which Chavez called a "Palestinian holocaust."
Abbas met on Friday night with Chavez, who has stepped squarely into Middle East politics this week by hosting both the Palestinian leader and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
During their meeting the Palestinian leader dismissed an Israeli plan to temporarily halt new construction of West Bank settlements as insufficient on Friday, saying Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu chose occupation rather than peace.
The Palestinian president said that "we can't accept the current Israeli government's concept for the negotiations."
"We don't have any condition to restarting negotiations except the commitment of the two sides to the foundations of the peace operation according to the road map, and especially stopping the expansionist activities of the Israelis," Abbas told lawmakers, speaking through an interpreter.
He said Wednesday's announcement by Prime Minister Netanyahu of a 10-month halt to new construction in West Bank settlements "didn't bring anything new because the occupation is going to continue in the West Bank and in Jerusalem."
"The Israeli prime minister had to choose between peace and occupation." Abbas said. "Lamentably, he chose occupation."
Abbas thanked the Chavez government for its support and said: "We're all on the same path."
During their meeting at the palace, Chavez presented his guest with an olive branch and a gold-plated replica of a sword that once belonged to 19th-century independence hero Simon Bolivar - Venezuela's most revered founding father.
"We want peace," Chavez said, then hugged Abbas. "May this sword never need to be unsheathed."
Abbas earlier visited Brazil, Argentina, Chile and Paraguay to build support for efforts toward a Palestinian state.
Latin American leaders backed his calls for Israel to halt settlement construction and also to guarantee that future borders are based on lines that existed before Israel captured the West Bank and East Jerusalem in the 1967 Six-Day War. Netanyahu says such matters must be resolved in negotiations.
During Wednesday's visit by Iran's Ahmadinejad, Chavez denounced Israel as a murderous arm of the Yankee empire.
Chavez has been strengthening ties with Israel's adversaries while trading verbal barbs with President Shimon Peres, who predicted last week in Argentina that the people of Venezuela and Iran will soon get rid of their leaders.
"They won't hold, not because any of us is going to kill them; their own people are getting tired of them," Peres said.
Chavez interpreted that as a threat. "The president of Israel comes here to South America, and he immediately opens fire against us and against me saying I'm going to disappear soon," Chavez told reporters Wednesday. "Well, let's see who disappears first."
Peres spokeswoman Ayelet Frisch has denied the Israeli president threatened anyone, saying "he meant Venezuelans and Iranians will replace their leaders by democratic means."
Abbas told Venezuela's National Assembly that the long history of Mideast negotiations has shown in the past that Israel doesn't want peace. He compared the barrier of walls and fences separating Israel from Palestinian areas to the Berlin Wall.
"The Palestinian people, like the rest of the peoples of the world, want to live free, peacefully, independent," Abbas said. "When is the world going to hear us?"
Chavez has repeatedly condemned Israel as a genocidal government, though he has also assured Jews living in Venezuela he wants to maintain good relations with them.
A leading Jewish community group, that Venezuelan Confederation of Israelite Associations, criticized the government's warm reception of Ahmadinejad this week.
An international Jewish rights group, the Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal Center, demanded on Thursday that the Organization of American States investigate what it called Venezuela's role in promoting terrorism, condemning Chavez's praise of Carlos the Jackal - the imprisoned Venezuelan notorious for a series of Cold War-era bombings, assassinations and hostage dramas.
Chavez lauded Carlos - whose real name is Ilich Ramirez Sanchez - last week as a revolutionary fighter who aided the cause of the Palestinians.
Ramirez is serving a life sentence in a French prison for the 1975 murders of two French secret agents and an alleged informant. He also has been linked to the 1976 hijacking of an Air France jet en route to Uganda, as well as bombings in France.
Shimon Samuels, the Simon Wiesenthal Center's director of international relations, called Chavez's remarks an abominable message condoning violence. "He prefers to put himself on the side of the murderers," Samuels said.
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Venezuela President Hugo Chavez. |
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Yeah, we know you're going over to defend them in person, as promised
Israel is on the wrong side of history and with its aggression and violence towards the Palestinian people and extending its borders into the greater Middle East. Americans I hear speak of their government's support for it as " embarrassing and shameful." It won't survive based on the s tatus quo...That's a given! Dutch
Hugo Chavez is a pumpkin head.
Ahmadinejad and Chavez have lots in common. No questions about the upcoming executions after death sentences for Iranian demonstrators. Its OK the usual mob of Israel bashers dont care either.
Israel didn't have to terrminate a Palestinian state, the Arabs did that all by themselves when the disregarded the UN Partition Plan and attacked Israel instead
solution, we know it's a rotten deal for Israel There is already a Palestinian State, look at your map, it goes under the Name of Jordan
Chavez... the hard-ball with an over-stuffed vocabulary to match. He's like that man, who arrives from nowhere and proceeds to tell you how many women he's had. You know... some morbid tales of conquest and tribal warlords he's learned a thing-or-two from. Basically, he's needs to stuff some pre-popped popcorn in his mouth. And jump-off the Venezuelan cliffs into the frothy dictatorial abyss.
Israelian brothers. Hugo Chavez doesn't represent Latin America, nor his own country. He is almost a dictator. His "socialism" is fake, because it disregards the basic liberties. But you have to make Peace with the Palestinian people, through mutual concessions. That's the best way to shut up figures like him. Think seriously about it.
Palestine may be too weak to do anything by itself, but it has countless supporters(and volunteers) from the Muslim world to aid in its defense.
You are confirming that the Palestinian version of 2 states IS 2 Palestinian states. The Western and Israeli idea of 2 states is a Palestinian state and a Jewish state. The Palestinians seek to convince the naive that this is what they want too (for the concessions it will bring them) when in fact they want it all. At the same time Palestinians cry about the Jews spoiling their wishes for a state,they seek to destroy the Jewish state by flooding it with Palestinians. The Palestinians are not negotiating in good faith. They have no offer that leaves a Jewish state,only Palestinian,Arab,Muslim states.
That's a funny way to "terminate the Palestinian people". This guy is a joke. Although I have no doubt if the Arabs would have had the upper hand in 1948...and since... they would have terminated the Jews. After all they are on record multiple times saying they would do just that, kill all the Jews! By contrast Israel is on record saying they want to live in peace. Just more reversal PR by the Israel haters. Falsely accuse Israel of what Arabs intended to do to the Jews.
"The situation in the Middle East is a military one, and the solution can only be military. Who will impose it?" - Kelly As any diplomatic solution has been ruled out then of course it must be military. As Palestine is too weak to effect a military solution ridding Judea and Smaria of Arabs will require a military solution imposed by Israel.
"Abbas thanked the Chavez government for its support" - Jerry So did Israel in November 1947. Venezuela was one of the first nations to recognize Israel. When you have few who treat you friendly you say thank you and move on.
With the endless, going nowhere negotiations, and the steady grow of illeal settlements israel is working very hard to terminate a palestinian state from ever being.
David, I very much agree with you regarding the dictators cowardice. however I can only say I wish I could share your faith in the Venezuelan people removing him. Not that many there would not wish him gone, but rather that a smaller number would inevitably loudly take to the streets with large pictures of the dictator, waving flags and stealing headlines until the good people are beaten down. The world media chooses sides on whose giving them the better ratings. Without the media...you lose.
No israel, No Palestine. One State Solution is the best for all. One Man, One Vote, Equality for all inhabitants. Equal Pay for Equal Work, Equal Water Rights. No Apartheid, No Segregation...A Very True Secular Democracy. Let us call it :?State of Holy Land?.
the world does not know, but afraid to call a spade a spade.
but unfortunately he does not have a partner for such a serious matter.He may have to waite for the next PM(in Few months time)
BROD GOD BLESS YOU IN THE USA. FROM DANNY IN ENGLAND.
Hugo Chavez is a ballerina type dictator. His coming to power was largely financed through the drug dealing communities of his country. Since in office his country his country stopped cooperation with the drug enforcement agency, cooperated with FRARC and became No 1 transit country for drugs. Throgh this, he is financing Hisbollah etc. He is not a revolutionary, but a somple mafioso!
What a pity for the Zionists that Pinochet isn't still in office, there they would have had a great supporter. Now as it stands Israel has "lost" South America. Peres went there as a weapons dealer and Abbas as a man asking for support for his peoples wish to live in freedom from the Zionists. 'Let the bells of freedom ring, from the river of Jordan...'
When is Mr Chavez going to come to the middle east and visit his Palestinian friends and maybe pay a visit to Israel and explain his accusations against Israel and also providing proof of the same?Never,the man does not have the courage of his convictions,it's easy to spew accusations from afar,being the dictator of a south Amercian country. President Peres is right,he will be taken from office in the not too distant future.
it predates any reactionary sentiments the Jews had. I feel bad for the people of Venezuela who have to depend on him - if he's this idiotic, what is he (not) doing for them? How does he explain that his average citizen lives like a Palestinian WITHOUT any wars or blockades? Methinks he is trying to deflect his incompetence, and found a bandwagon to jump on where most of the world doesn't care about the truth.
Palestinians just want to return to their homes. It is not their fault they have the right to return to their homes while obviously other people don't have the right to steal lands !!
Lands are related to people not to their religion .Palestinians whatever their religion is lived in this land before Jewish ,you are the one who need to read history. You are the only people who claim lands is given to you by God . Palestinians dont want to kill Jewish or to discriminate against them they just want to live in their land without being discriminated cause they are not Jewish . It is 2009 already .
Is it a hidden wish from companero Chavez ?
... opened the doors to goonish proclamations such as those of Chavez...
"A civil right struggle can work if the two-state solution is foreclosed. Direct or even militant action wouldn`t be required." You are missing the big difference of civil right movements between two people. While Indo Americans were not the enemy of the USA state, the Pallies are the enemy of Israeli state. While Indo Americans were giving an strugle to be a citizien of USA, the Palies wants to change the national anthem and the flag of Israel. Can it be a civil right movement for Pallies in Israel? Palies must have to make a decision not Israel, if they want to be Israeli or not which apparently seems they don't want. Keep on dreaming unrealistic dreams. Aby
First and foremost self defence. Secondly, exercising sovereignty over lands abandoned by Jordan, not transfered by Jordan to a non-existing entity that today has been cobbled together as Palestinian People. Not that there weren't Palestinians but there was not polity of Palestine. Abandoned lands, under international law, are subject to the first in time to exercise sovereignty.
It is absurd to think that negotiations can be fair and just, and will produce positive results. Negotiations can be fruitful only between equals or near-equals. The disparity between Israelis and Palestine is so huge as to make negotiations worthless. Israelis have hundreds of times the economy, and thousands of times the military firepower that Palestine has. Negotiations can only mean Palestine signing on the dotted line. Some of you have criticised Palestinians for not acknowledging "reality." What reality? The Soviet Union was a far greater reality. Where did it go? The situation in the Middle East is a military one, and the solution can only be military. Who will impose it? How would I know?
I think Chavvez should buy the Oakland Raiders from Al Davis
Chavez is in a class with Castro and Ahmadinijad and Netanyahu and Lieberman and Cheney. Each has their own particular world view. And each, ultimately, will do to his own people what no foreigner could possible do.
Bibi chose to continue to flaunt international law knowing the world will look the other way. Israel ignores all UNSC resolutions, international conventions and international law.
It took 100 years in the US, but citizenship and the vote was achieved. The US could also open it's doors to the educated and moderate, leaving behind the uneducated and radical. Other options exist. A civil right struggle can work if the two-state solution is foreclosed. Direct or even militant action wouldn't be required. The only choices are not Bibi's way or no way. Chavez's way isn't right either and cleansing to Jordan won't work or get support even inside Israel.
are the Jews going to cry victim again? how could they? who is the refugee? who is starving? who is living in scattered lands with no running water? blame Arafat? he's dead blame PLO? they kept you on your toes you blame Hamas? they only exist because of you! are the Jews going to do to others what others have done to them?
Palestenians are so disoriented, they will never be able to control a foot square land without a fight between themselves. Every faction of them is controlled by a different country, they fight each other for the sake of the countries they sponsor them.
You and your parents immigrated from .... Ethiopia, Czechoslovakia, Russia, Poland, Ukraine....Belfour has no right to offer Palestinians Land, Eng-land would've been ok. Palestinians got nothing to do with your Holocaust
Chavez Loves them, he should take them, and the whole world shall rest. Chavez has oil, money and the big mouth.
Finally, the ' cliff hanger 'that this new Buffoono has subjected the world has been eased.This prophet, anointed by allah and a few other gods, has made it clear that Jerusalem is the Capital of Israel,same as Caracas is Venezuela's; that is, until HE decides to terminate Himself pursuant "the clean air act"in order to assure S.America's survival. One omission the article failed to mention is the stupid " faux pas " made by El Gordo; giving a sword to a muslim?? And his lament " when is the world going to hear us ".The world is sick and tired to listen to Buffoons.
UK flooded by islamics, NP to power
"We know that PLO/FATAH still hasn`t removed the clause from their Charter that calls for the destruction of Israel, this had been agreed to at Oslo" It also hasn't removed the caveat. Israel keeps dispossessing Palestinians.....
that was the end of any "piece negotiations"
Is Abbas totally dense??? Hugo Chavez can do absolutely nothing to hurt Israel or help the palestinian cause (or causes). By linking arms with Chavez, Abbas brings joy to the heart of every diehard zionist settler. With friends like Chavez, Castro, and Ahmadinejad, the palestinians have guaranteed themselves enough enemies to keep them under Israel's thumb for decades.
If we wanted to terminate the Palestinian people we would have done so thousands of years ago, but we didn't. We could have done it since 1948, but instead we let them prosper and grow with the state of Israel achieving a population of 3.5 million people. Abbas should have rejected and condemned this remark as he himself his aware that he lived his life without his ancestors terminated. Shimon Peres is right to predict that the future of Chavez looks bleak and the good people of Venezuela will soon get rid of him. Chavez should read some history because every tyrant is eventually does get terminated. All he needs to do is read history of the world since WW2. Just to name a few dictators who were recently terminated and to give him a little heart pain were Noriega the Panamenian, Saddam al Tikritu, Slobodan the Serbian and Taylor the Liberian. Same applies to the tyrant of Teheran who has nothing better to do than confiscate the Noble Peace Meda since he cant win one.
now that everyone knows you will have a hard time doing it
... otherwise no negotiations. So, what is the negotiations are all about ?! Clean the Palestinians Charter Jew hating & apartheid & come back to Israel to negotiate. Isn't it all in that Charter; the true face of the Palestinians that must be erased first so that you can earn to be called 'moderate' with capital 'M' ? If you don't show & prove yourself to be moderate ,what is the difference between you and Hamas & the rest of the terrorists ! At lest they are more frank than you by showing their true faces without calling themselves what they are not ! Israel learned the lesson all these 60 years & over. Israel will be mad to repeat those mistakes that cost it dear lives, again !
With `terminations` like this one who needs populations booms. Don`t you think if what Shabes said were true, we did a really awful job at it?
Let's suppose you're right. God gave that piece of land to the Jews, his chosen people, 4000 years ago. What did he do with the people who were already living there? What did he do with the millions of people who were not chosen? Did he have a final solution?
The Arab Islamist-Jihadists already have a large state in Jordan and the rest of the Arab states in the region that stretch from the Indian Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean. Why do you want them to usurp tiny Israel?
His verbal diarrhea needs a new audience since Bush is out as president. Israel is right now the only nation on Earth without a left wing government in power. The Prince of Darkness doesn't like that.
apparently, racial discrimination is legal in Israel. Keep it a secret, and don't tell this to Obama.
Do nothing. The Arabs (in Israel) are already in the Middle East. The Middle East is the land of origin for the Arabs.
Everywhere Abbas goes it's a guessing game--will he debase himself or not? Bibi can take his time with this guy.
They are not citizens of Israel. The are stateless people contaminating the land God gave the Jews. The One State that Netanyahu and Lieberman are creating has no room in it for Arabs.
Clearly Israel will never make peace with the Palestinians. The natural expansion of Settlements will expand to cover all of Judea and Samaria. So what to do with all those Arabs in the way of progress. It is about time Israel start figuring out how they are going to get rid of the Arabs because if they are continually crammed into ever smaller ghettos they will persist in terrorism and rioting.
Imagine if someone owes parking tickets and one tells the cop what will he concede if the violater pays half his ticket? Really, America should law down the law on Israel as a member of the security council. It's clear in the Geneva Convention and countless UN resolutions that you don't demolish homes, annex occupied land, and the US has told Israel that many times and so has the UN. It seems the Israeli Government feels international laws, the laws of war don't apply to it. Many countries thought that way and some paid for it. Just hope if you continue this way people don't pay for this. It's not just, at any rate. What does Abbas have to concede? Building in East Jerusalem violates not only international law but agreements Israel has made and the spirit of Oslo. Oslo was called a Declaration of Principles. Tell me, where is Israel's principles?
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Someone must break the cycle, Barghouti? Netanyahu can't totally freeze settlements and stay PM and you can't accept the offer of a 10 month freeze because you and the PA will fall. Once again the Palestinians and Israelis are forced into a stalemate when what they want is peace! Shame on the lot of you.
We know that PLO/FATAH still hasn't removed the clause from their Charter that calls for the destruction of Israel, this had been agreed to at Oslo
This should read the Netanyahu chose land over peace. And that is something the world already knows.
The Simon Wiesenthal Center may once have been an "international Jewish rights group", unfortunately, like most mainstream Western Jewish organizations, it's debased itself to point of being little more than an apologist for Zionism and Israeli war crimes.
But Sam, surely there are no Palestinians in Israel? They're all Israelis, right?
is NOT necessarily in israel's favor; it never has been.
Abbas doesn't control Gaza, run by terrorist Hamas organization that rejects recognition of Israel. Moreover, even West Bank is quiet only because of nighttime raids against terrorists by Israel on continuous basis. So Palestinians haven't fulfilled the very first step called for by the Roadmap for negotiations, dismantling the terrorist infrastructure. So exactly why is Israel supposed to negotiate with Abbas?? The UN in its November 1947 partition vote called for a "Jewish state" to be established in Palestine--got that, Mr. Abbas, so tirelessly demanding international legitimacy?
It took Bibi almost a year after months and months and months of haggling and US pressure to come up with this farce of an offer. Construction in the WB is ongoing as fast as EVER before, public projects are exempt, east Jerusalem is exempt. Notwithstanding all future excuses, lies and unrealistic demands by Israel (god only knows what they will come up with) this offer is bogus and has received the lukewarm response it deserves from world powers.
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Chavez broke diplomatic ties with Israel in January to protest its military offensive in the Gaza Strip. In April, Palestinian officials opened a diplomatic mission in Venezuela, saying it would be a diplomatic hub in South America.
The rallying cry against Jews is so effective that instantly national issues such as energy, education, and development are ignored in order to bash the state of Israel. The history of the Palestinians is to constantly ignore their best interests at the behest of their so-called friendships with foreign powers that are at odds with Israel's allies. If Palestinians can ignore agitation from outsiders, they might have a chance to integrate the two societies once and for all. At no point have the Palestinians received any enduring benefit from their friends the enemies of the West. Abbas cannot bribe the US by shaking hands with our enemies. They are too weak and self-imploding for anyone to care. Its a lose - lose for Palestinians, again!
Same old crap. Israel has no partner for peace. Yes, we've heard it. Not even as polished a liar as Netanyahu can say that one with a straight face anymore.
To whine, complain, make demands, and remain unrealistically obstinate, leaving them with -- nothing. The Palestinians are in a position to negotiate a state for themselves, as they've been any number of times -- but their demands are completely out of line with reality. The day they give in on the unrealistic '67 borders and the desire to flood Israel with hostiles, is the day they'll get their state. But, that can't really be what they want, can it? Because if they DID want a state above all else, they would have had one quite some time ago.
Abbas wastes money traveling around the world meeting with fellow terrorists and dirt-bag dictators to drum up more support for his cause of making Jews the obstacle for peace. Let's also admit the fact Netanyahu and his Administration are not particularly keen on peace, but would like to continue receiving military and foreign aid from the United States, something that needs serious re-consideration. Time to cut off aid for both the Palestinians and Israeli Government. More to spend on solving our own domestic problems.
Chavez - Ahmadinejad - Erdogan As they say birds of a feather fly together. I am just sorry for the people of Venezeula, Iran and Turkey.
So do not talk nor negotiate over next 10 months. Abbas cannot direct Gaza nor much of anything
They may be starving to death in Gaza, but they have not surrendered their dignity... FREE PALESTINE!
What kind of BS is this? The Palestinians cry that they can't have a Palestinian state with Jews coming in but they demand to flood Israel with Palestinians on top of those who are already there. It's not peace the Palestinians are looking for. They want Israel to surrender or for Muslims and the West to make them. Not a chance.
Judea and Samaria are Israel's historic homeland which Israel liberated from the Islamist-Jihadist occupiers in 1967. Abbas should stop spewing his occupation crap. Islamist-Jihadists do not know the history of the Land of Israel which goes back 4000 years.
But those are two things the Palestinians do not want to do.
Not the best option. But Netanyahu has chosen the one-state option, by default. His fake-freeze that already thawed reveals all too much about his intention that two-states shall never emerge. Time for Palestinians in Jerusalem and in the territories to start to attempt to register to vote. Martin Luther King wrote the Roadmap for civil rights. Register, then VOTE! Make a deal with one of the secular parties, then VOTE! You shall overcome.
this is all obama's fault. It was ill thought out, unreasonable, and totally unrealistic. abba eban comes to mind right about now.