Hariri: Talks with Assad were excellent and frank

Wiki has a most interesting article about the "Orphans" that were exported from England to it's various colonies It seem the vast majority were used and abuse, cheap labor held under abominable conditions, Australia has already apologized for the scheme, you should too, for trying to put one over on us "Home Children is a common term used to refer to the Child migration scheme founded by Kingsley Fairbridge in 1869, under which more than 100,000 children were sent to Australia, Canada and New Zealand from the United Kingdom. In Australia, such children are known as the "Forgotten Australians". The practice of sending poor or orphaned children to British settler colonies, to help alleviate the shortage of labour, began in 1618, with the rounding-up and transportation of 100 vagrant children to the Virginia Colony.[1]. According to the British House of Commons Child Migrant's Trust Report, "it is estimated that some 150,000 children were dispatched over a period of 350 years?the earliest recorded child migrants left Britain for the Virginia Colony in 1618, and the process did not finally end until the late 1960s." Though it was widely believed that all of these children were orphans, it is now known that most had living parents, some of whom had no idea what had happened to their child after they were left in care homes, with some led to believe that their children had been adopted somewhere in Britain.[2] Australia has recently apologized for their involvement in the scheme, while England has announced it will make a formal apology in 2010.

"Until the enemies of Israel are forced to sign a treaty of unconditional surrender there will be no peace in the mideast." You're the "only democracy in the Middle East" with nuclear weapons so why don't you use them? After all God gave you the land - right?

Since you?re commenting on the Liberty matter, we can then assume that you have actually met a sailor or two that were on board that ship, and have discussed the matter with them, or have you? Convicts shipped to Australia represented a cross-section of the English population, of course there would have been some Jews among them, and the question is how many, Just saying ?some? doesn?t amount to a hill of chickpeas Many of the convicts were given the choice of emigration or the gallows, which you neglected to mention Concerning the ?Orphans?, for the most part, the children were shipped out not through the desire to lead them to a better life, it was because Australia need young child labor, and the Orphans best suited that need, and in effect they were ?slave? labor, working for bed and board, without any say in the matter on their part You really should check you own heritage a bit better, you?re rather lax or being deceptive Meanwhile, despite your pretenses, you are living in a land that you took by force from the original inhabitants who didn?t have the wherewithal to repulse your invasion

as prisoners?" None had committed crimes against humanity such as the US warmongers and Israeli war criminals. You are a very intelligent person, Mark. Intelligent enough to do your own research on the British convict ships, and "what sort of people" they brought to Australia. Some convicts (many convicted of petty crimes, vagrancy/poverty) were Jewish. Britain also shipped orphaned children to Australia. BTW, it appears as though surviving US crew members of the USS Liberty are not satisfied with the outcome of any so called investigations of the attack on USS Liberty. Were you a crew member on the vessel when attacked by Israeli bombers?

Lately Turkey has gotten closer to Syria and Iran. With Lebanon added in the mix, this should help bring stability to the Middle East.

The King David bombing was seen as a disaster by the Haganan and Jewish agency. The Haganah did not target British or Palestinian police, The Irgun and Stern Gang did. Lord Moyne was assassinated at the order of a man who was later Prime Minster of Israel. The Lavon Affair was an incredible fiasco and is understood to be nothing more than idiocy. The USS Liberty attack has finally been resolved to my satisfaction. The NSA has released the intercepts of communications between Israeli forces and headquarters. It was a total fiasco. Incompetence so embarrassing that two nations hid it for 40 years. Of course Menachem Begin was a terrorist. And what sort of people were sent as prisoners to Australia?

I guess that he is trying not to get blown up as did his old man.

Australia is at the end of the world; it is not surrounded by many potential enemies. Israel is surrounded by many undemocratic moslem countries which are all potential enemies. Get your facts correct. Israel has never had an empire; There was the Turkish Ottoman Empire before World War 1. Did they not murder 1 and a half million Armenians? You had the British Empire; the British meddled all over the world; murdering people, stealing from people, making up countries that did not exist and drawing temporary borders. You brought up the bombing of the King David Hotel; the British should not have been meddling in the Middle East; they murdered people in their own countries and controlled who was allowed to travel to the area. So not just in Israel but in other regions in the world the British had to be made to leave. Would you like a foreign military to come to Australia and control everything that happened? Have some respect for a democratic country; you live in one

when writing from oz about terrorism since 1945 how many times have oz forces been engaged in overseas affairs and adventures which were none of her business? before embarking on your usual hysterical hypocrisy mona try using what little brain you supposedly psossess !

If Lebanon was smart, it would make peace with and become an ally of Israel. Lebanon and Israel could crush Hezbollah and eliminate Hezbollah influence on the government. Then, Lebanon would have Israel as an ally to help protect itself against Syria, Lebanon's real enemy.

Australia with beautiful oceans all around... no apartheid walls, no theocratic rule! Australia a true democracy! Australia is no longer a racist colonial state like Israel has remained since its inception! A few reminders for you (non) Teacher/Instruct: Zionist political violence... The King David bombing. The Haganah and Irgun targeting of British police/soldiers and various bombings and sabotage. The assassination of Lord Moyne. The Semeramis Hotel bombing. The Lavon Affair. The assassination of mediator Count Folke Bernadotte. The bombing of USS Liberty. Albert Einstine allegedly called Menachem Begin a terrorist and facist. (Wikipedia)

In three years from now, Hizballah will form a Lebanese government with an Irano-Syrian backing. Therefore Assad is right: There will be a Lebanese unity.

Since you always want proof,put your proof on the table that Israel wants Peace with its neighbours. Prove it.

if there are really such thoughts in lebanon, we will have peace.

If so, then the talks could not have been that excellent. If not, then read the fine print before signing anything as the enforcer of Assad's agenda for your vulnerable country is none other than the brutal regime in Iran.

1 roo you accuse hariri of cheating the lebanese. 2 you say the mossad had a part in the assassination. yet hariri was the most popular politician in lebanon.the whole nation grieved for him.so your slander is rather awful. there is not the least reason for israel to dislike hariri.he was against syria and hizballah so he was a friend of israel's.

Lebanon and Syria holding talks is good news. If Lebanon were able to abolish Hezbollah,they would not have to worry about attacks from Israel because, in case you haven't noticed, Israel does not start it, it responds to it. East Jerusalem cannot be divided from the rest of Jerusalem. There are too many sites there that are sacred to Jews and Christians. Should Muslims control the City of David? Should Muslims control the Mount of Olives? Should Muslims control the Siloam pool? This entire area is filled with spiritual meanings for both Jews and Christians. Muslims could try to cut these sites out for access by Jews and Christians. Muslims, you must accept this and move on to other issues. The Church of the Holy Sepulchre has at least six different creeds of Christianity operating there. Muslims could consider sharing the Temple Mount with Jews and Christians. And why not? Jews and Christians were here first.

Pro Syrian 'Lebanese' generals[arrested,held for 2 and half years then released]. According to one of the released Generals he was asked to find 'someone'[Syrian] to confess to the murder. In addition, I should have stated, 'as you sew so shall you reap'! Basically Hariri, whilst being a well known philanthropist was at the same time a ruthless and quite crooked gangster in his business dealings. Well, even Marlon Brando in godfather was perfectly charming. In short its not difficult to see how many aggrieved enemies would have liked him dead. The UN investigative team also commented on the satisfactory nature of cooperation from both the Lebanese and Syrian governments.

Assad getting ready to destroy Lebanon again.

Hariri is not free. Lebanon is not free. They are both hostages of the Hezbollah thugs. Therefore, Hariri will not and can not engage with Israel in any way....except war.

not the Syrians. Initially everyone presumed and directly accused the Syrians of direct involvement in the murder of Hariri Snr. This of course suited GW. Bush perfectly well. Four Syrian generals were arrested and held without charge for some considerable time whilst the UN investigation into the murder proceeded. Initially there were good reasons to indicate Syrian involvement , threats and the like to Hariri etc. However an interim report in March 20089see link below)by the lead investigator indicated mafia style business dealings as being the likeliest rationale behind the killing. The generals were eventually released without any charges. A spurious 'leak' revealed by the German Der Spiegel immediately before this years elections in Lebanon indicating some mysterious new evidence against the Syrians working with Nasrallah, was flatly denied by the UN team, and since there have been no further developments along Der Spiegel's lines these rumours now appear to be just that. Intended to weaken Hizbollah prior to the elections. In fairness they were never taken that seriously in Lebanon, even by the Christians. Hariri's company expropriated vast amounts of property in Beirut, compensating each owner with shares in the company, were worth a fraction of the property's value. That Hariri and his business associates profited immensely from this project was an open secret. He was worth an estimated 16 billion dollars at the time of his death. As you reap so you shall sew. On March 28, 2008, the 10th report of the UN's International Independent Investigation Commission found that, "a network of individuals acted in concert to carry out the assassination of Rafiq Hariri and that this criminal network , the "Hariri Network" or parts thereof are linked to some of the other cases within the Commission's mandate." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7319173.stm As for the CIA/Mossad link, this seems to be the work of Jürgen Cain Külbel, former East German criminal investigator turned Journalist, who conducted his own investigations and subsequently wrote a book on the murder. His main evidence being "that one hour before Hariri's murder Hariri's jamming device for remote control bombs, which was installed in his car, was turned off. And that Israel as the inventor and sole manufacturer of this device was the only one in position to turn it off, thereby making Hairiri's motorcade susceptible to remote control bombs" http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CAT20060915&articleId=3237

"Hariri's visit to Syria ends nearly five years of animosity with Damascus. Relations between Saad Hariri and Syria have been tense since 2005, when he accused Damascus of plotting the murder of his father Rafik Hariri. Damascus has consistently denied involvement. " Suddenly Hariri forgets about the murder of his father and becomes lovey dubby with the Syrians! Shame on him!

Syria wants all of lebanon to become greater Syria. Hariri just sealed his own death warrant. He is now expendable. What price will regular lebanese citizens end up having to poay for this new relationship

word Peace before you use it. You people killed innocent civilians in Jordan,Lebanon,Israel,were expulsed from Koweit and it seems that you are unpopular all over the ME. Sorry Palestinian Brit,but with murders you committed in so many countries you look more like blood thirsty beasts than peace loving people. Zahar: "We want all of Palestine, every centimeter, from the river to the sea, from Rosh Hanikra to Rafah." Abbas: "We'll sacrifice victims until Jerusalem is ours." Are you sure you understand the meaning of the word PEACE,Palestinian Brit?

tell fairuz.

To M.Ann.frm. Bathurst Australia. The Stolen,Plundered & Raped Continent. Since Bathhurst is the oldest inland Settlement in Australia it's obvious that all their predecessors that were thrown out of England,because of their crimes & criminal records,have in their Genes streaks of crime that they inherited from their Ancestors, going down the generations from mother to daughter ! And so on. A never ending circle of theft,lies & wickedness !

Most of you don't know or convientlly forget that until the British and French started carving up the middle east "The Lebanon"was part of Syria.Back in the 40'sand 50's my immigrant relatives here in the states referred to themselves as "Syrian".

Hariri murder clearly private ops. The kid who was to have done it was a lonely lost kid from a beirut refugee camp, struggling with his identity. he had nothing to do with the logistics or masterminding at all, if he even had anything to do with it in the first place. he was neatly found dead, shot execution style in the back of the head, and thrown in syria. anyone who knows about the REAL middle east knows that the group behind this operation was not a band of refugees from beirut, who just years earlier the head was among the so-called "devil worshipper fad" that swept the disenfranchised youth in beirut, so do the math and listen to the streets.

It is all they think about. No moderates are willing to take on the extremists who are the most popular people in their culture.

We support good relation signals between arabic countries whatever the background of old relations. we hope that israel will have good movements with neiboughersto make peace whatever the historical relations between Arabic countries and Israel

Many talkbackers to this article seem to think that a political leader has to behave like a hero in an Elizabethan drama ("Hamlet" etc.). Actually a successful foreign policy has to be realpolitik. With an openly belligerent Southern neighbor and an uncontrollable political-military group within her borders that is stronger than her army, Lebanon is forced to find an adjustment with her other neighbor.

Hello Joe... You realize this is news-espionage reports... still this is what I managed to get. In 2008 the Syrian Internal Security was implicated in Hariri's assassination. Sources implied Mughniyah participated in Hariri's murder, but the Mossad executed an opportunistic hit on Mughniyah. If that's true then Hezbollah also had a role in Lebanon's instability. Mr. Shawkat, the head of Syrian security was the mastermind of Hariri's assassination. He was stripped of power [by Assad] and put into house arrest. If not being Assad's brother in law, he would have been eliminated as well. On Aug 1, a top Security General Suleiman was murdered in Tartous... at his summer residence. Suleiman was due to appear before investigators of Hariri's death. On Sept 27, a huge explosion killed another Syrian general, under investigation. Finally... Muhammad al-Saddiq a former Syrian intelligence officer who turned into a hostile witness disappeared from France... and that's where the trail ends.

...The two, Lebanese and Syria, would join forces to resist Hezbollah - the only enemy of the Lebanese - not Israel of course! Later, Israel's peace with Syria will single out the only Middle East trouble makers - Hezbollah and Iran. But, for now, let's call Israel the enemy because that's popular... In short: fundamentalists must be stopped for real peace to succeed in the Middle East.

hariri a nation with no self respect is no nation.

they murdered and maimed several high profile lebanese.and now this small man who is the new lebanese president has forgiven all. if one has to point ro the overarching immorality of the world we live in then watch this lebanese syrian theatre closely.

Not the assassination of Hariri, but an assassination! New evidence of Mossad behind the assassination of the Majzoub brothers 25 May 2005. Reference Ynet News http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3262657,00.html Fingers of suspicion point to Israel/Mossad because of the many it has assassinated in the past... and the motto, "By way of deception thou shalt do war."

That's a lot of speculation. And of course Israel will just have to make a pre-emptive strike at...er Iran? Syria? Everyone? How about peace talks with everyone in the region instead?

The mark of a craven politician.

A near cert. Anyone who can kiss the murderer of his father is capable of anything

For having left Lebanon. It is about time that Israeli politics and Arab-Israeli affairs leave us alone and live in peace. I would go back tomorrow. At least they are renovating a beautiful synagogue in Beirut.

Hey Mr. Tan, well then pitch in a proof to support Syria's theory? Why not Osama bin Laden who always resented the late Mr. Hariri?

Hariri is giving Assad the go to fight Israel, surely Hariri knows that Lebanon soldiers will walk home to their families with their guns if the war started. Hariri knows Israel will crush Hezbulla and Syria this time forever. And his success to govern Lebanon depends on an Israeli win to get rid on Hezbulla and Syrian interference in his government. Iran will call on other Arabs to join the war. Last December when Israel crushed Hamas, Iran called all arab leaders cowards.

Allang, not dfending Syria here. But my question is: Do you have any proof that Syria killed former prime minister Hariri? I loved the man myself, but seriously doubt that he was killed by Syria. Al Qaeda, or other religious extremists top a long list of suspects. Another possibility would be criminal syndicates as well.

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Both pathetic heads of state are little more than Khamenei's provincial governors. Ceterum Censeo Iraniam Esce de Lendam...

This is a very smart move on the part of Hariri. Apparently he ultimately has not fallen for all the propaganda from Israel's allies about who was probably responsible for his father's death. There is only one player that seemed to really benefit from from the death of his father and it was not Syria or Hezbollah.

Yes, Israel almost relies on surrounding countries to not unite with defense in mind.

with an emphasis on "stability" for both countries...and inherently perhaps...in the middle-east. and one has to wonder if the the "israel" angle is more of a front for "other" issues. one has to remember that hezbollah is on iranian strings, and is essentially a monkey on the back for the aspirations of both these guys. as for the assassination of hariri's father, for which syria has been accused; anyone remember that little nuance from the international investigation that strongly implicated hezbollah; but whose players had ALL met their demise in one way or another?

I get the feeling this news comes as a surprise to Israeli Intelligence services. I wonder why?

So you'd like to see the evidence... eh. Yeah well, let me rush right-out. That's if... I actually care to have an exchange with a racist bigot like you.... Maureen Ann.

Hariri confirmed war in Lebanon by siding with Iran/Hezbollah. Because Hezbollah will strike Tel Aviv, the Lebanon Authority will be flattened along with much Lebanese infrastructure. The good news is that the resulting peace will be rather lasting.

Oh maureen, it is pure HYPOCRISY that YOU should ask for PROOF when YOU do NOT do the same with your CLAIMS. Let's START with your CURRENT one - PROVE it. If you CAN.

your enemy's enemy is your friend

Better do something to make a just and sincere peace, Israel. People are lining up against you and all your injustices. You would do the Israeli people a favor by making peace while you can.

The Lebanese government - as well as every other Arab/Muslim country that has Palestinians in squalid refugee camps - denies them citizenship, and the ability to hold professional jobs. Israel's Arabs have more rights than anywhere else in the world. Speaking of human rights, what about Muslim honor killing and stoning? What about the slaughter of Christians in Lebanon?

Have No Fear O Israel... This was prophesized hundreds of years ago in God's Holy Bible... Why are all these nations coming against Israel? Because Israel rejected their Messiah Yeshua... Yeshua would have subdued ALL Israel's enemies...it is written. REPENT & Seek Yeshua HaMessiah... HE IS the ONLY one capable of defeating ALL these enemies ... & protecting Israel. He is the only one to defeat satan & ALL the anti-Christ spirits that drive these people who do not know the ONE TRUE Living GOD- God of Israel- God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob... WAKE-UP O ISRAEL....before it is too late ! I pray in Yeshua name.... With Much Love for ALL Israel,

Why distort? The actual press releases, both in English and Arabic, speak of "unity ... in the face of ... Israeli policies", not about "joining forces against Israel". The difference may not be very big, but still quite distinct. Why? Why misquote? Why make it sound worse, when you can simply cite what was actually said? What purpose does this aggravation serve?

No consessions asked by PA or Obhama will bring Israel an inch close to peace. There always will be a reason for Syria, Lebanon, Iran to call for Israel's distruction

WOW...shaking the hand of the man who planned and carried out the murder of your own father..sick sick sick...I guess power is stronger than bloodlines...having Syria is your side won't mean a hill of beans in another war, talk about a paper tiger!

Years pass, tremendous changes occur around the world, technology, culture, economy and environment. But in one place nothing ever changes, same old bankrupt ideas rule. Yes, it is almost 2010, but let`s all fight against this big and powerful satanic entity which is the cause of all your problems: ISRAEL. When Israel disappears, your lives will magically transform beyond recognition; our countries will flourish, democracy and prosperity will rise on the Arab world. Have you: tackled the bloody oppression & HR in your countries already? eradicated the murderous dictatorships? fought extremism, ignorance? protected the rights of your citizens, freedom of expression, free media anyone? increased your pathetic GDPs? improved education, technology, and prosperity of your miserable people? No, you prefer to obsess about tiny ISRAEL that runs circles around you guys. How are you going to spend the next 60 years? Call me crazy, but I am not going to hold my breath.

In Shakespeare's play it recounts how Prince Hamlet exacts revenge on his uncle Claudius, who has murdered Hamlet's father. Is Hariri only using the anti-Israel ploy to gain Assad's confidence to conclude unfinished business? From 1975, during the Lebanese civil war, it is estimated that 150,000 people were killed and another 200,000 wounded. Some 900,000 people, representing one-fifth of the pre-war population, were displaced from their homes. The Syrians were instrumental in prolonging the civil war until 2005 when all uniformed Syrian soldiers were forced back to Syria. With friends like Syria, Lebanon doesn't need enemies...

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That Saad al-Hariri was not of a bad mind to meet Bashar Assad as he is most likely fully aware that the Syrians had nothing to do with the murder of his father. Hariri is fully aware of the mossad bomb that murdered his father as is anyone else who even begins to review the case. I'm sure he recognizes who his real enemy and threat is and intends to take further measures to protect Lebanon as indicated by his warm visit with the Syrian. He knows who killed his father, and I bet he doesn't shake hands with them.

"Moderate" Lebanon government joining with Syria and Iran. And he wants to arm Lebanon?

Until the enemies of Israel are forced to sign a treaty of unconditional surrender there will be no peace in the mideast. This is how WW2 ended and how peace was made with the Axis powers for like Israel's enemies they will not surrender till there is no other option left to them.

The CIA and Mossad consider Syria to be an enemy. Therefore helping Rafik Hariri and Lebanon against Syria was in our interest. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Do you believe force should have been used to stop Hitler?

Lebanon is well on its way to become once again the pearl of the ME. The alliance between Pres Assad and PM Hariri is a very clever move. Both are well educated statesmen with a western need for acceptance. Syria will keep Hezbollah on a tight rope. Both Hariri and Assad are well aware that said alliance will open doors for foreign investment. Israel, prefers these types of alliances since they are positive actions by two brave men under threat from the Shia theocracy in Tehran, Good night from freezing minus 20 Celsius Swiss Alps.

it's great to see that Hariri's hatred for Israel is stronger than his love for his late father!

Happy Hannukah! You thought I was going to write Hugo Chavez is a Pumpkin Head again! Didn't y'all?

Lebanon has a real vote. until the Arabs are allowed to live like humans in freedom, there will be no peace. Israel or no israel. Assad kills more arabs every year than Israel.

and yr evidence ref CIA/Mossad ? if syria was not involved in hariri murder then why did they pull their forces out of lebanon ?

Look in the bed occupied by Mossad and CIA... that just may help you find the evidence needed.

Yes, of course, why let a little thing like murder come between friends? Harry

I always understood pride as a sensitive issue for Arab culture on friends and ennemies. But when it comes to leaders, it is hyppocrisy what rules

Syria has no intention of letting Lebanon be an independent country. Syrian Empire aspirations are high, even though the realities differ. How could you meet and greet the killer of your father is beyond me anyway. Politics is mostly lying and brides and deception. Islamic vengeance is suicide bombers even toward Muslims.

Lately, Israel has threatened to make war on Lebanon if there was any attack by upon Israel by Hizbollah. Since Lebanon cannot control Hizbollah any more than Israel can, this threat from Israel has pushed Lebanon toward the recent alliance between Iran and Syria. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. This is something that all the Muslim states would do well to remember. Whatever differences they have, they are less important than the threat to all of them from militaristic and aggressive Israel. How far does Israel intend to expand? They won't say. This says a lot.

The middle east makes for strange bedfellows. Imagine Saad Hariri's mind-set as he shakes the hand of his father's murderer. I reckon the tension in the room will be thick-enough to cut with a knife. But no matter, the Syrian - Lebanese relations were never known for their cordiality. With Tehran on the rise... if only in perception, this is no time for the Lebanese to appear squeamish. Let's not kid ourselves, Nasrallah will be watching every awkward nuance and subtlety. Most probably, so will Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Tehran.

if Syrian intentions are for peace with Israel...

Since Israel is also a neighbor of Lebanon, it will make sense for Hariri to advocate for neighbourly/sisterly/bortherly relation with our neighbour in the south. I believe both Lebanon and Syria will benefit tremendously from having good relation with Israel. This will increase stability and thereofre tourism, banking, trading, business and prosperity for all.

This is bad news form Israel's Prospective

There are few places outside the Middle-East where political leaders who may have blood on their hands or mind & have personal reasons to recoil from shaking hands just do that. We had in the past Arafat embrassing king Hussein of Jordan not many years after the Jordanian Legion killed touthands of restless Palestinians refugees. And now Hariri is going to shake hands with Assad who was likely involved in the murder of the father of Hariri.

What is wrong with this kid? He now wants to see the man who butchered his father. If he is not careful he himself may well end up being butchered in Syria.

the confederation of arab nations against israel, are gathering up but israel will prevail psalm 83.