Haniyeh advisor: Hamas willing to discuss a truce with Israel

As the old saying goes "Money talks, bullshit walks"--Describes you perfectly, start walking-- You've just proven to one and all that you're ignorant and deceptive--

"right off the bat" i don't "have to" explain A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G to you...

Eric, let?s get one thing straight right off the bat?First, you have to explain why you intentionally lied about the correspondence between Steve (Minneapolis) and myself--- AFTER that, we can go into some of the others matters you brought up, IF I decide to spend my time on them?I?m more than willing to deal with facts, but your lies are quaite another matter-- I gave you the URL and text, and you continued, in your usual manner to deny card hold facts?This isn?t the first time, I have others on record?Before you concern yourself with other people, clean your own house first?If they have a problem, they can contact me directly?They certainly don?t need you as a inept advocate to represent them?You have proven yourself as one who is an inveterate falsifier of information and facts?I don?t care what your gender or anyone else?s is?People change sexes in these forums to suit their needs?I will not respond to any of your writing that concern another poster, let them do the talking for themselves--Just to let you know, don't waste your time writing a long post, they're boring, especially when they're full of bull--

673. gabbey the racist joo? while zion makes war on islam Name: get a clue City: State: every muslim groups is a peace group hoping you will stop making war on us if you dont expect obvious consequences you could harly expect a palestinian to be in favor of their land being stolen or house being bull dozed Get a clue, you don?t have the foggiest idea of what you?re talking about and You most certainly need an education-- Islam makes war on the WORLD? Here?s the list, chew on it!! Islam is supposed to mean ?Peace?; it certainly isn?t peaceful?Since you call us ?Joos?, is it o.k. I call you Mooselems? This website requires a strong stomach?See the child with 2 black eyes?Lot?s of photos & There?s a lot to read-- It's all about Israel, isn't it? Yep, it's all about Iraq and... India and the Sudan and Algeria and Afghanistan and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Turkey and Kabardino-Balkaria and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Argentina and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Germany and Australia and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and China and Nepal and the Maldives and... ...and pretty much wherever Muslims believe their religion tells them to: "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, ... nor follow the religion of truth... until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection." Qur'an, Sura 9:29 http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

that you feel a vicious need to bring in someone else to belittle(usually a female), when your beef(which is really jerky), is with me? you've done this doggy thing with ms. rice before; and now twice with ballistic over the last couple days: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pages/ResponseDetails.jhtml?resNo=2952934&itemno=936209&cont=2, and this one. i didn't respond to the first, but now i'm going to; because i find it to be a very crude and malicious thing for a "man" to do. so tell me ben, is there some purpose served for you by bringing women who i admire(rice), and who are talkback acquaintences of mine(ballistic), into your driveling and incoherent attacks directed towards me? so here's my response to you, ben: you suggest that i'm "ballistics" lap dog? wasn't it condi's last time? with doggy biscuits? no matter...i've always wanted to be ballistic's doggy, too. so woof-woof-woofie! come get me ballistic...i'm all yours! let's see now...i got my shots, my tags, and i even have my own collar! and hey! i've just been groomed! i'm all set to go, ballistic. you can take me for walks in the park on a leash, and maybe we'll run into good old "you know who", so i can raise my ummmm...well you know...do the thing dogs do. ben, your suggested "new years resolution" is a "no way!" not a chance! there's SOME things i'd LOVE to be! hey ben?...lol...grrrrrrr-woof! as for your endless claims of proving things...i've already answered your inane jibberish: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pages/ResponseDetails.jhtml?resNo=2953213&itemno=936042&cont=2

"every muslim groups is a peace group hoping you will stop making war on us" I like your joke and your sens of humor.Your posts tell us that you are a big joke yourself and that you may have more jokes to share with us? Merry Christmas buddy.

Jane, I have no problem with the Palestinian Arabs. Indeed, I met a number over the years and befriended them. HOWEVER, I DO take issue with their apparent choice of leadership. Israel does NOT have to negotiate with their leadership, when their leadership has NOT chosen to negotiate honestly with Israel. Period. If anything, Fatah has been les honest as a peace artner than has Hamas. Hamas has said all along that they will not make peace with Israel. Fatah (PA) has been saying.."We recognize Israel!!! There's no reason to recognize their riht to exist because they already do!" They refuse to admit that Israel asa country has a right to exist. That is a major sticking point. Peace cannot move forward until they recognize that right, because, Israel will be granting/admitting that same right to the Palestinians when Israel helps to CREATE a Palestinian state. If the Palestinians don't admit/recognize the right of Israel to exist, they will attack a few years later.

"...they need to return the spoils of war to the 1947 line not the Green Line as lakshmi and others have pointed out. Thanks, Dutch" Can you explain why we in Israel should return land to the Palestinians that they them self rejected in 1947? An easy question, now give an easy answer...

If only we could invent the perfect Palestinians with which to do business..They are what they are and the reality is that we have to deal with them and not some dream of the perfect peace partner. Honest brokers are scarce in the world and one person's honest broker is another's corrupt tyrant. Welcome to the real word.The fact of the matter is that making peace benefits Israel.

for things that you've just said which i hope will not bring you chagrin among they who consider as pestilence the prose herein that i've written and for all our difference of opinion the one thing i can clearly see is that your graciousness is a given for you have given me a peek... which is to say, lady kathy that you're pleasantly unique in this place of controversy to have voiced these thoughts to me and the holiday wishes you have me i return to you with my best regards with a hope that the new year brings all the things that you want... (except of course, any that are anti-palestinians...sorry...lol) but i thank you again, kathy.

Hello Gil, Yes, what I passed along to you was essentially American spin but to dismiss it as not relevant to Israeli spin is missing the point. It seems to me the conditioning works the same way. So given this problem you are right it is necessary not to accept anything at face value from both sides and to probe and ask questions. Still, this doesn't take away from my original land calculations the Israelis have ripped off the Palestinians of their state and they need to return the spoils of war to the 1947 line not the Green Line as lakshmi and others have pointed out. Thanks, Dutch

Thank you for extending yourself on the issue of an International Tribunal. You are right, we should all become more familiar with it & make the Israeli warlords & offenders accountable. They can't go out and kill their neighbors and call it "self defense" or get their friends in high places to call it "their right". I wouldn't pay too much attention to Tosefta . It seem to me she/he tries to talk a good line which isn't very good at all. In addition, I wish to pass on this URL on the London Conference on the two-state solution and that it essentially means maintaing a Buntustan state with Israel holding the reins. Now that stuff has got to stop and it's reality exposed and rejected My own feelings tend to runs along the lines of an interview Dina Ezzat had with theformer UN secretary general Boutros Boutros Boutros-Ghali that time & globalization & Arab demographics will do much to deliver justice for the Palestinians http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2007/876/reg3.htm http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2007/876/op9.htm

If your knowledge of the Rabbinical sources also extends to modern research on the subject, you might consider submitting a study to one of the Jewish Studies journsls, in either Hebrew or English.

have much to answer to when it comes to the status of women throughout the ages. There are a lot of poisonous toads, masquerading as men in the world today... we see them most often in politics. Thank you for your kind wishes Kathy. You know, I once read a post on Haaretz written by a retired American Rabbi. He spoke of the 'feminine' in reference to God. I can't recall his name, but his words of wisdom spoken against war and occupation was something that had a spiritual clarity that I will never forget.

Jane I recommend to you a brilliant columnist called Spengler ( pseudonym, nobody knows who he or she is). Just google Spengler, hit I'm feeling lucky and it should take you right to his column at ASIATIMES. There's a huge archive available. The larger war, is the one the Muslims fight against each other.eg Sunni vs Shia ( 1 million dead Iraq/Iran war).What Hamas did to Fatah is a grim reminder of Arab " unity ".There is no freedom of thought or debate allowed within Islam. It's also sexist. Moderate Muslims are the victims of this totalitarianism. Most of the Muslims in the west are Suffis ( the esoteric/mystical branch of Islam).If able to, they flee to the west for economic opportunity but also to escape the persecution in their own ME regimes.

It would give Hamas legitimacy. That is what Hamas desperately wants right now, with their popularity among Palestinians rapidly declining. By brokering a truce with Israel it would also give them time to build their arsenal without fear of reprisals from Israel. A truce with Israel would also DECREASE Fatahs legitimacy. Why? Because on the surface it would show the Palestinians and possibly the world at large that Hamas controls the situation vis a vis peace negotiations, NOT Fatah. It's all about perception and right now, palestinian perception of Hamas is turning negative. Mark-

Do kee in mind, Jane, that it was primarily Fatah that incited/promulgated the 2nd Intefadeh earlier this decade. When talks broke down and Israel refused to budge on a point f the negotiations, it was Fatah that went back and incited the riots, suicide bombings, etc. Do you REALLY think Fatah is an honest broker for peaceful coexistence?

The Arabs in total get more.Then there are the victims of Arab genocide& apartheid ethnic cleansing such as Darfur who get large amounts of US aid as well. Islamist Gratitude? endless plots and killing of US citizens within and without the USA. "Death to America"!! Never mind we know you do not discriminate look at Pakistan 50 dead yesterday in a suicide bombing. You can bet the total deaths from the "Religion of peace",judging by past performance, by the end of the week will be in the hundreds.

in my absence. To wit: "You are a lover of terrorists, either way we look at you." (CJK) Are you saying you've come to the conclusion Israel is a terrorist state? why, do miracles ever stop,...

Chamudale sheli, Ani Shwedi le sheavar. Lakachti et acharioti ve aliti. Ze kashe, aval ma laasot? Lo neten Israel lipol. Ein Mazada yoter... Toda al lebeh bishvil ha medina ha yikara le kolano.. Toda yaldati im ha shem ha yafe...

every muslim groups is a peace group hoping you will stop making war on us if you dont expect obvious consequences you could harly expect a palestinian to be in favor of their land being stolen or house being bull dozed

right after Art.13,para 1:The General Assembly adopted Resolution 94 establishing the Committee on the Progressive Development of International Law and its Codification.The Committe considered the procedures for the discharge of the GA's responsibilities under Art.13,para 1. Then later,"actions in respect of the drafts prepared by the Commission should be decided upon by the GA . . " Further,6 resolutions of the GA amended the statute of the Commission. As for the Rome Statute the GA passed 4 resolutions that requested the Secretary General to reconvene the Preparatory Commission etc. Hardly, a body that had no legal responsibilities or powers!

You ommitted a few pertinent facts that bear directly to your appeasing agenda. You are not a Sabra but American born and who just came back. Some if not all of your children have opted out. You are a card carrying member of PISS Now. The only interaction with the Arabs you had when they cleaned your house or at a supermarket. Do not lie, I and you know better.Moderate Islamists?-bullcrap. Name 6 Arab peace Organizations that do not tow the Islamofascist Line. You could not or would not name them a year ago lets see if there are any now. I am not sure about your romantic notion of Arabs but all that makes you is either a moron or naive.

Do they think infidels are stupid? *AAFAQ Poll Shows Declining Support for Hamas in Gaza According to a poll by the Aafaq Foundation, support for Hamas in the Gaza Strip has declined, and support for Fatah has increased. The poll, which was based on a random sample, showed that 41% of respondents support Fatah while 34% support Hamas, and 25% reported not supporting either. Eighty-seven percent of poll respondents said that they disapproved of Hamas's policies towards residents of Gaza, while 13% disapproved of the Fayyed government's performance in the West Bank. In addition, 74% of respondents blamed Hamas for the coup in Gaza, while 15% blamed Fatah; 11% held both parties responsible. The poll also found widespread demand for early presidential and legislative elections in the Palestinian territories. Source: Aafaq.org, December 18, 2007 http://www.thememriblog.org/blog_personal/en/4203.htm

to stop being Ballistic's pet poodle--Also, try and tell the truth, I know it's hard, it's so much a part of your personality (LOL)-- If you want, I'll be glad to post the untruths you have made in the past (untruth, nice way of saying lies)--

Lynn, thank you for your kind words and good wishes for a New Year. I hope that you also have a healthy and joyous New Year for 2008. All the best, Smadar

must be something about you being a mossad spy

If you are an example of Jesus' teachings, you're a really lousy proponent of Christianity--All you preach is hate--I don't think he would have been proud of you, who failed to to keep your promise to become a human shield--You offered false witness when you you made your pledge--

p.s., in case I never mentioned it; my mother is buried, with earth from Israel on her eyes. I tried to stay away from personal insults on you, as 'some' have told me your history. I'm truly sorry you don't have more empathy for others. But, if you want to keep up with the personal insults to my family, be ready to play the dozens, bitch!

There is little probability - nor do I think it should - of Israel turning over control of the old city of Jerusalem. It is possible that the Palestinians could find this probability acceptable. Should the Palestinians accept what ever scraps of the West Bank the Israelis find uninhabitable as well as being cut off from the rest acceptable. Only a lunatic would expect that. When dreams are impossible, they must die when confronted by reality. A "Jew Free" Palestine or a "Greater Israel" are just such malignant dreams which murder people today. Both Palestinian parties of substance, Fatah and Hamas have postulated that the Green Line should be the border. The ball is in Israel's side of the court and as long as 'we get everything we want and they get nothing but what we don't want" is the position of Israel, then there is no possibility of Peace.

That's because it's not a matter of left vs right. It's right vs wrong. Libertarianism is the complete antithesis of leftism.( NO BIG GOVERNMENT) I doubt Paul will get the nomination either BUT people are pushing him to run as an independent in that case.

"I am in fact a supporter of the war against radical Islam but I believe the ultimate solution lies within Islam itself and moderate Muslims will rule the day." - Jane The error of your thinking is quite close to the reality. The problem is that one cannot make war against something which is a mere idea. The reality is that ONLY moderate (and there are far, far more moderates than not) Islam can 'win' that war of ideas. Fanaticism tends to burn out in less than a generation if it is not given credibility by equally fanatical opposition. "Israel`s efforts to find a peaceful solution of coexistence with the Palestinians is one step that will bolster the moderates and defeat the radicals, probably more than any war." - Jane Agreed, but then is not the question what is to be left the Palestinians? Is it to be substantially the West Bank and Gaza of 1967, or is it to be a few small enclaves cut off from each other and the world by a continued 'occupation'?

Imitation is a form of flattery. You certainly can post under my name but be sure that you add Douche Bag for recognition purposes only od course.

but i was always soooo ugly

Never submit to extortion or blackmail--It only repeats itself--Let's say he goes free, they'll kidnap another to replace him and the cycle starts all over again--Best for Israel to go in and destroy the hydra, starting with it's heads---

http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=ashkenazi+desease&go=Search&form=QBRE

"Sorry Mark, Sun Tzu is not as heavily studied at General Staff College as others to the likes of Von Clausewitz =(Never can remember the dudes right name).!" - Stephen That is Carl Von Clausewitz, and his book is "On War". It is a very useful study, and far more recent. I would direct you to chapter 1, 11, "The political objective now reappears." Specifically: "Thus the political object, as the original motive of the War, will be the standard for determining both the aim and the military force, and the amount of effort to be be made." To the lunatic right, war in itself is an objective. To rational human beings, whether Sun Tzu or Carl von Clausewitz, war is simply a method of achieving political goals. Both would deem it the last, rather than the first resort, which is the opposite of the vision of the lunatic right.

are goyim trash

loserman going to the moon is gonna happen before he gets elected vice president just ask al gore

TO FIGHT BACK JANE,Will take generations and way to go till then. I feel a bit tired,and will end it by saying; Hope remains eternal,and I feel it will take eternity before your dream will be realized. Not in your lifetime,not in mine,and even not during the lifetime of the babies of today. Pesimistic?perhaps.Nevermind,don't be too harsh on Klaudia. She has the safety/survival of Israel firt and foremost in her heart. Be well and be happy

if izzy loses it izzy falls but you are a canuke xtian zionist so who cares live is your silly dream world

"Politics is the art of the possible, not of the probable." - Cipora Julianna Kohn Wrong, partially Cipora. I am aware of the quote. I am also aware that few in politics are willing to risk the possible. Thus, the probable is a far more prudent expectation and goal.

aint skeered Think what you like or don't like.Joseph E is a good man,and agood Jew. If you don't approve,why resort to ad-hominems Does not help communicating an easy option. Just calm down,have a drink,think some,and come back to apologize for your "gaff"

Jews are the chosen people

Oh dear Murray. But you may have something there just the same. I mean your headline: Shove your temporary truce up your ass! Nevermind,they deserve the appellation. Have a good evening and relax while thinking about the next episode.. With Best Wishes Kathy

Cipora, At what point does one stop thinking solely about "Israel's best interests" (or Hamas', or the PA's, or the best interests of any other single specific party), and start thinking about the general good of all parties? It isn't in Hamas' best interests to rain rockets down on the children of Sderot, and isn't in Israel's best interests for innocents to be killed when hunting down Hamas operatives in Gaza. Is it possible for there to be any respect for the best interests of humanity, and to let it go at that? Kind regards.

worth asking Ask away.But who exactly is Izi? Your reference does not clarify it.But I by my assumtions tells me you mean Israel? Am I correct fine,but please tell us..

i dont know anything about you or your culture-you may or may not read torahs and bibles and thats your choice--- but mine says the jews own israel---i have a hard time beliveing that adam and eve were muslims-and if you will trace their lineage-it proves who really belongs there-NO COUNTRY or no amount of man made weapons will ever run them off of that tiny speck on the map--if you believe in a god then you have to believe in a devil-and thats why he and all unbelivers like yourself are so pissed-because you really know the facts but dont want to fess up--------deal with it

Do not flatter yourself. Nice sentiments but in reality not worth a plugged Nickel.It is Self hating Humanist Leftist Jews like you who are warmongers of the highest order. You do not bring peace any closer but if you had your way Israel would be no longer. OBVIOUSLY you have no clue about Zionism but are only familiar with a bastardized version from your Self hating Leftist humanist BIBLE as advocated by PISS NOW.

One does not deal with a bunch of squatters who form terror groups to steal Historical Eretz Israel. They had two opportunities one in 1921 when Trans Jordan was formed. they did manage with the help of the Farkakte Worls and the connivance of the British to get 78% of Palestine. The next was in 1947 when the Arabs again with the connivance of the british tried to get the rest of Historical eretzsrael but failed. So they do get to keep Jordan but must forfeit all else. One cannot exterminate that,that does not exist, so get off your high horse before you fall off. The leadership of Israel will eventually change from Left to Right and Jews will be masters in an Arabrein Israel fom the Meditteranean to the Jordan River.

First off. I'm not Jewish. Secondly, did you happen to catch Paul's interview on Glen Beck the other night? He addressed the Israeli issue like this...Israel does get foreign aid BUT Arabs get THREE times the amount Israel does. So they can kiss THAT bye-bye. I'm willing to bet that the USA Evangelicals will make up any govt foreign aid shortfall in Israel's case. Paul isn't worried about Israeli security. He knows that they have hands down the most powerful military in the ME. Once Israel is unleashed from all these phony leftist peace talks, she will be able to take care of business when threatened in a NON PC fashion. Amazing the money Paul raised on the internet. He's definitely the choice of the grassroots crowd but the MSM is doing everything in its power to ignore him or discredit him as a conspiracy theorist ( re: the Bilderbergers, CFR, Federal reserve). Good luck . I hope you get lots of support for him.

Ron Paul - One of his major platform isues is the US pulling out of the UN lock stock and barrel. It's almost enough to make me vote for him. Alas, he has a snowball's chance in hell of winning. I bet McCain will pick Joe Lieberman as his running mate and has a chance of beating Hillary. That's my theory for what it's worth. I'm supporting McCain.

And my hopes are the same for the world.

First of all what does your post in response to my answer to the hateful Gabe have to do with anything? Second, I have been around long enough, including all of my adult life as an Israeli citizen living in Israel and the US, to learn that there are Arabs with whom we can and must make peace to make Israel livable for future generations. Third, being overly strident in any political position is not productive when you turn everything into black or white instead of shades of grey that exist within every side of the issue. This is especially true when discussing the Middle East. I am not unaware of radical Islamism and its hatred of Israel and the west. I am in fact a supporter of the war against radical Islam but I believe the ultimate solution lies within Islam itself and moderate Muslims will rule the day. Israel's efforts to find a peaceful solution of coexistence with the Palestinians is one step that will bolster the moderates and defeat the radicals, probably more than any war.

Please meet me at The Lavender Boy againt next Thursday, usual time. I really enjoyed our last encounter.

Sorry Mark, Sun Tzu is not as heavily studied at General Staff College as others to the likes of Von Clausewitz =(Never can remember the dudes right name).!

I will bet you your future their will be Jews in Israel long after you are gone.

hypostasizing/reifying the UN.What is the antidote for this?Let me try again: 1.The UN is composed of 192 states.Right. 2.A simple majority vote to set up the International Criminal Tribunal. 3.Each of these majority voters has cast the vote after discussions back home.Right.They don't just get up one morning and decide to vote.Right. 4.At the end of the voting session the votes are counted.Right. 5.If the majority then ratify the same(however long it takes!) the Treaty or Tribunal has been ratified or agreed upon. Thereafter the relevant juristic agencies take over.

or a chance to re-arm and re group.?

eric Please forgive my butting in,but I truly loved your message to your friend *S* And may I wish you a Very Merry Christmas And Happy and peaceful New Year. Sincerely meant...

Do not flatter yourself. Nice sentiments but in reality not worth a plugged Nickel.It is Self hating Humanist Leftist Jews like you who are warmongers of the highest order. You do not bring peace any closer but if you had your way Israel would be no longer. OBVIOUSLY you have no clue about Zionism but are only familiar with a bastardized version from your Self hating Leftist humanist BIBLE as advocated by PISS NOW.

The "views" section seems to have a lot of Israeli posts. Not as much fun as this forum, though ;)

Recognize Israel's right to exist or face what you deserve. To all you bloody anti-Semites; go get a brain that works (for Christmas).

Politics is the art of the possible, not of the probable.

Mark Did you mean Flavius Belisarious,or Belasarious? Just a thought. Meantime,before I let it go for now. I wish you a very Happy Christmas and a Good New Year

But it transpired that the subject was a British degenerate who provided some entertainment for Congress - the epitome of so called British eccentricity - comic shrimp challenging everything...

long enough to actually consider real options you dispora zionist (arm chair blood thirsty never get your hands dirty)are disgusting

Maureen Ann That was a lovely sentiment and coming from you,made me,not only very happy,but also thought,there's still hope for some of us.. I wish you a very Happy Christmas & Good New Year to you and Yours

". . . anyway i am surprised to hear any jews are for Ron Paul" - US Muslim Ron Paul is the ONLY Republican candidate I could vote for, and I WAS a life-long Republican. But right now I think that there are a lot of people who find in Ron Paul (a fellow Texan from just south-east of here) an alternative that is more a function of their wishes than his reality. For many reasons Arab-Americans (why is it the fashion to put the lesser identification first in America) have been a traditional Republican voter block. Just as for many reasons Jews have favored democrats (perhaps mostly because Jews favored democrats). Ron Paul represents the vestiges of the once important libertarian and anti-war branches of the Republican party. He has not a chance of a snowball in hell of getting the nomination, though the party would be wise to ask why he is getting so much support.

"Not all political goals can be won by force". Now that you mention it....Remember the alamo.

If Ron Paul is against U.S. aid to foreign countries, then it looks like a good chunk of money to your fellow Muslims goes bye bye too.

"Peace isn`t an option when one side screams " Death to Israel " in its streets." - Klaudia Excellent regurgitation of propaganda Klaudia. What about reality? "The battle against the Islamic fascists will last as long as they have oil money to buy arms." - Klaudia And I guess Palestine is a major oil exporter? "Israel is only a small part of this war." - Klaudia I guess you missed the fact that Israel won every war from 1948 to 1973, has had overwhelming military superiority since 1973, and remains the only first rate military state in the region? Do the Palestinians assert the authority as the "Occupying Power" in Israel? Does the non-existing "Palestinian Defense Force" control all critical road junctions in Israel? Does that PDF restrict movement in Israel? Does it defend criminal acts by Palestinian 'settlers" in Israel? Does the PDF bomb any place in Israel without the ability of Israel to protect itself? Israel is THE MILITARY POWER not Palestine.

There is a fine line between appeasement and peace. The politicians from both sides have to make political concessions which "puts their necks/careers on the line" if peace fails. Olmert and his party will lose power if that is not inevitable anyway. What price is Haniyeh and Hamas willing to pay for failure of "whatever" he is appearing to offer?

Another leftie! Just what the world needs more of.

Howdy Lakshmi; From the UN's website on the ILC: 'The Governments participating in the drafting of the Charter of the United Nations were overwhelmingly opposed to conferring on the United Nations legislative power to enact binding rules of international law. As a corollary, they also rejected proposals to confer on the General Assembly the power to impose certain general conventions on States by some form of majority vote. There was, however, strong support for conferring on the General Assembly the more limited powers of study and recommendation, which led to the adoption of the following provision in Article 13, paragraph 1: [10] ?1. The General Assembly shall initiate studies and make recommendations for the purpose of: ?a. ? encouraging the progressive development of international law and its codification.?' In other words, the General Assembly can study and make recommendations with respect to international law, but it cannot on its own create courts.

LEO you asked a good question Would someone please let me know where I can post responses to Arab newspaper articles? And if there is such a site, can I say whatever I want? Does anyone have an answer? Dutch? Natallie? Lakshmi? POP? Mark Lincoln? Indrajaya? Clickfool? Maureen Ann? Anyone? Well LEO don`t expect getting an answer from that lot they re still looking, But if Anyone means me too well, NO THERE IS NO SUCH ARAB NEWSPAPER, even none Arab newspapers choose to avoid this self-inflicted pain for none of them are SAINTS Can you imagine any newspaper letting people post comments against the country it originates from! No Newspaper other then Israeli ones has this idiotic policy of having open discussions if you can call it so, (more like an open anti Israeli activist site for all anti Israeli people from all over the world ? if you ask me in Democratic states it is called an opening a gate for Communism). I know what your next Question will be, WHY, well Jews always love to torment themselves with self inflicted pain ask Haaretz the Zionistic Newspaper they will tell you this as well no other suitable answer could be found! Yes Haaretz Zionistic no mistake ? all Jews in Zion left and Right are Zionistic they only have a different view on what Zionism means and way to show it ? don`t you know they do it for the love of Israel ? funny way in the view of the Left Wingers, ridicules way by the Right Wingers, but a perfect way by the Communists part of us which are not so little in any other countries standard!

Tosefta I see you trying to explain the niceties of what is legal and illegal under international law and the scope of the United Nations. You are most patient, but as the old sailor once sagely explained to me, "son don't piss to the 'winard!" The UN has a very hard time enforcing ANYTHING much less something which one of the veto powers will oppose. The solution of the debacle between Israel and the Palestinians will ONLY be resolved by them. It can be helped by others, especially the United States, but NOT if Israel is unwilling to see peace. Israel is the powerful one of the two, and Palestine is the supine. We must remember that when Arik Sharon had to look at the situation from the stand point of a PM instead of a General, he had to look at the cost of his dreams for the first time. He decided to pull out of Gaza. . . The cost of the status quo to Israel is immense, and the government has dreams of reducing defense spending. . . It is not dealing with it's own reality.

LEO you asked a good question Would someone please let me know where I can post responses to Arab newspaper articles? And if there is such a site, can I say whatever I want? Does anyone have an answer? Dutch? Natallie? Lakshmi? POP? Mark Lincoln? Indrajaya? Clickfool? Maureen Ann? Anyone? Well LEO don`t expect getting an answer from that lot they re still looking, But if Anyone means me too well, NO THERE IS NO SUCH ARAB NEWSPAPER, even none Arab newspapers choose to avoid this self-inflicted pain for none of them are SAINTS Can you imagine any newspaper letting people post comments against the country it originates from! No Newspaper other then Israeli ones has this idiotic policy of having open discussions if you can call it so, (more like an open anti Israeli activist site for all anti Israeli people from all over the world ? if you ask me in Democratic states it is called an opening a gate for Communism). I know what your next Question will be, WHY, well Jews always love to torment themselves with self inflicted pain ask Haaretz the Zionistic Newspaper they will tell you this as well no other suitable answer could be found! Yes Haaretz Zionistic no mistake ? all Jews in Zion left and Right are Zionistic they only have a different view on what Zionism means and way to show it ? don`t you know they do it for the love of Israel ? funny way in the view of the Left Wingers, ridicules way by the Right Wingers, but a perfect way by the Communists part of us which are not so little in any other countries standard!

'G-D will give the universe peace when G-D`s WORD is fulfilled to the letter and the Jewish Messiah is ruling and reigning over the earth from the capital of Israel - Jerusalem' Have you any idea of how big the universe actually is? Yet you say that everything on billions of planets in billions of galaxies is conditioned upon events in Jerusalem? I suggest that you humble yourself under the rule of reason and the intellect. In other words, think before you spout such superstitious nonsense.

Eize shir jaffe! Achshav gam ani bocha! Lev shel Israel lo koev be sheket levad: gam ani margisha azuva im Israel, Israel tamid be rayonot sheli. Toda Dovale, ata hamud.

i do believe my friend after reading this post from you that you have MADE my christmas! and brightened the new year, too thank you for saying what you've said and i hope it forever remains true that you'll find in me the worthiness for your friendship is one i truly value the very best of the season to you "S" as well as those who are close to you and may the new year bring you success in all the things you endeavor to do...

Pardon, but Israel must defeat her enemies by destroying their head honchos and wearing them out. Talking with them won't gain anything.

expand the operations in gaza! cut the power and fuel! bring hamas to thier knees and get that boy (Shalit) back now! and don't pay any mind to all those terrorist sympathisers like clickfool and laksmi wine about "collective punishment". this is war! you can bet hamas and hezbhola don't discuss amongst themselves the matters of "collective punishment" when they attack Israeli civilians. the Jewish people have been through too march hardships for thousands of years. they shouldn't have to endure even more because of political correctness!

Howdy Labhras; The risk to Israel is that Hamas will use the breather to rearm and regroup in order to resume hostilities with greater intensity if the peace negotiations start to make progress late next year. The risk to Hamas is that they will appear as "Zionist collaborators" in the eyes of the other Palestinian militant/terrorist groups. "If Hamas promises to stop the resistance and free Shalit and behave themselves for the next????? years then Israel will reward them with ??????." Probably with a halt to IDF incursions into the Gaza Strip, a slight relaxation of the economic blockade, and the release of several hundred Palestinian prisoners but not those with "blood on their hands". "More illegal Settlements and land/water theft and targeted killing and so on and so on." You need to realize that if a hudna occurs, it would apply to the Gaza Strip only and not to the West Bank where Hamas has no authority. There is no land or water worth stealing in the Gaza Strip.

"Real Zionists want peace with their neighbors." - Jane You are a traditional Zionist Jane. The fact that Israel exists and now Jews have somewhere to go if they cannot stay where they are, was the goal of the Zionists from Herzl to the Six Day War. Since then a new form of 'Zionist" has arisen to whom peace is an anathema for it stands in the way of extending the state of Israel to cover what they consider God's gift to them. I, for one, decided long ago and for very personal reasons that one thing I would like to see before I died was a day of peace for Israel. The Israel which I saw then was the Israel of early 1967. It is the Israel which I feel achieved the dream of Herzl - which I feel was necessary because the world has too often made it necessary for Jews to have somewhere to go. I know that Israel will never have a day of peace until all it's neighbors do. And thus peace with Palestine is essential. But for the neo-Zionists, it is the ultimate evil.

so what would that make? bare gift of G-d? hahahahahha :)

One of my favorite generals was Belasarius. He was the last general to be given a Roman Triumph, at which time amongst the items paraded were the spoils taken from the Temple of Jerusalem by Titus which Belasarius had recovered from the Vandals. Belesarius was a master of economy of force and intent upon achieving victory with as little warfare as possible. Another is Sun Tzu, who is for some reason more well known but a proponent of similar means. Sun Tzu held that the highest form of warfare was to thwart your enemies goals. The second highest to confront him in the field, and the least was to assail him in his fortified cities. Cipora, ask yourself WHY has every effort Israel to change the region in the last 30 years failed so miserably? Why did Sharon's attempt to "reshape the political geography of the middle east" (the Lebanon War) fail? Why has trying to force the Palestinians to leave failed? Why did the Second Lebanon War fail? Not all political goals can be won by force

that was quick...dont want himn very badly do you?

for Ron Paul ..there are apraximately 6 million muslims in the USA (about the ssame # as jews) and if we vote in a block he may win.... he is against US intervention in the world and again all US Aid to all country (kiss the $6 billion a yr to izzy bye bye) anyway i am surprised to hear any jews are for Ron Paul

Peace isn't an option when one side screams " Death to Israel " in its streets. The battle against the Islamic fascists will last as long as they have oil money to buy arms. Israel is only a small part of this war.

Laughing Man, Let me take the opportunity as an Israeli to say that he is filthy and got thrown out of his presidency. He put his family name as well as the Israeli people to shame...

Cipora, the question isn't "can Israel eradicate the Palestinians," nor has it ever been. The question is 'can Israel AFFORD to eradicate the Palestinians?" Which is to say it is "does Israel want to exterminate the Palestinians?" Thirty years of following a policy of making the lives of Palestinians as miserable as possible have failed to force them to leave (as if they had anywhere to go en-mass. Hamas was created by oppression. It can best be neutralized by relief of that oppression. If it has to make efforts to suppress Islamic Jihad as part of relieving oppression, then it becomes a partner in eliminating the threat of Hamas. The current situation can be used to put Hamas in a situation - which it agrees to - in which it must choose to either help peace or lose face. That is a far different situation than having Israel either stick it's army in a meat grinder after losing face by refusing peace.

Let me take you to the beginning when you wrote- ---"Why did you settle with your enemy on the good Friday? You could have conquered the whole of England. You just had to send your children to explode in London for a couple of years." My response----" That response is a perfect example of rabid zionist logic.It omits the concept of peace while approving the Illegal Settlement expansion and theft of Palestinian Land. Dont you get it yet.Why would we not make peace.Is that concept so foreign to you.Secondly why would we want to steal someones elses property.Does that concept sit easy with you. As to who our former agressors were,that question reveals much about you and tells me you have much to learn. Nollaig go maith agut.

to hamas lately so they refused to recognize the zionist enetity.. if zion or US tried to negociate instead of threatening them and starving all of gaza there might be better results.. you dont know what they might give up for peace.. i myself do not recognize izzy but might for peace and food for my brothers and sisters and a guarantee they can stay in their homes

This is a response to #559 If anybody asks Since she doesn`t read my mail Hi Labhras

This is a response to #559 If anybody asks Since she doesn`t read my mail Hi Labhras

IN VAIN! I told him to stop getting at me,and there he was at it.Telling you about me and Gabe1,plus misspelling Klaudia's name for the umpteenth time.So childish.

"For sure, people would want to give the children of Sderot a period without Qassams, but only if such a period would not be followed by more intense and accurate barrage of missiles fired at them, and possibly at strategic installations in Israel. In other words, a decision on a temporary truce is strictly a military one, rather than a political one." - Cipora No, ultimately such a decision IS a political one. It was a political decision which created Hamas. That decision was made by the Begin government and it involved a massive expansion of settlements in both the West Bank and Gaza. This ultimately produced a broad resistance by Palestinians and the creation of Hamas as an alternative to the incompetence of Fatah. Aside from wingnuts like Islamic Jihad, Palestinians have long given up on the idea of eliminating Israel. Even Hamas has as it's first negotiating position the green line. Thus the issue is political and not military. It is how large Israel will be.

and we all know your brains were in the bit than ran down the inside of YOUR mom's leg:-) BTW, my last name (father's side) is an adoptive name, so believe what you want. Could have been LUCIFER for all you know, lol (which isn't much). My children opt out of Religious 'scholling' (but at least they learned to spell) as you put it, of their own accord, due to having Islam shoved down their throats at school (no offense intended to those that don't set the UK curriculum). Mother converted out? You don't pay attention, do you? That's o.k., the men with the white suits (and hypodermic syringes) are coming:-) Let me know the next time you're in the UK:-) Be happy to meet you:-)

leo you must be joking.Hey a Lebanese website and see.I think Lynn had told us,and it is called Ya Lubnan.But I don't know if there is talkback there...Have a go.As for the rest(Arab ones)don't even think about it...

"Serious people on this side of the aisle are against a "calming" that will only serve to allow Hamas to strengthen itself during that period. " - Cipora Cipora, Hamas is not 'on the ropes.' I think you might consider the view from the other side of the chess table. Hamas, has, in my opinion, been putting Israel in a 'fork." Israel needs to decide which piece it will lose and it cannot really afford to lose either. What are those 'pieces"? One is "peace" and the appearance of being willing to seek it. The other is having to move massive amounts of troops into Gaza. Please, before you see this as a 'loss" consider how well the Gaza incursion succeeded - which is to say it didn't. One problem that Israel - a small nation - has is that it cannot play the role of Phyrrus of Epirus too many times. Phyrrus was a very able general, who, after his victory over the Romans at Asculum, was complimented by a sycophant. He replied "one more such victory and we are lost."

Howdy Labhras; Hamas has no intention of "making peace" either. A hudna is not a permanent peace treaty which Hamas fears more than anything else because it would necessarily entail recognition of Israel which doesn't fit in with their "phased liberation" policy to "raise the banner of Allah over every sq. cm. of Palestine" (includng Israel). A hudna is an half-assed cease fire which doesn't even carry the same weight as a temporary armistice agreement and can be called off on the slightest of pretexts. The only reason why Hamas is calling for a cease fire at this juncture is because they and their proxies are getting creamed militarily in the Gaza Strip and they can see that the rocket fire is failing to sabotage the peace negotiations between Israel and the PA. At least this time, the proposed hudna doesn't come with the precondition that Israel withdraw to the 1967 lines and appears to be restricted to the Gaza Strip only so it might be possible for Israel to agree to it.

Dovale is a nickname meaning Bear in Hebrew It has no meaning in Arabic at least not as you pronounced it!

Israel and its Zionist culture stands on stolen ground soaked with the blood of its native people.Reminds me of the white tail spider(UN) here in Australia. Once it has stung, the small mark (Israel and Zionism) it leaves begins to eat down into the flesh. Sometimes there is no way to save a life unless the area infected is chopped off the body. One day the Arab world will explode. Any war started by Israel, including attacking Gaza, will bring oblivion to the Jews of Israel. The poison of the chemicals you work with within your state to create new bio-weaponry,tested on the Palestinians for effectiveness, will bring the end of much of the middle east, including Israel. Nuclear attacks will affect Israel. You must give the Palestinians hope, live as one state of all its people, heal your wounds, celebrate your differences and respect that all of you belong. As the children of the Holocaust, you must bring justice to your country if you wish to keep it. Talk with Hamas.

Not the languages lakshmi.Sorry, but thanks I already knew the name of the languages as I said above.How wiil I learn the names of their alphabets??I have wanted to know for ages..How about it?

"You got your knickers in a twist about sexual abuse. I asked you what you thought of the old toad Katsav`s sexual abuse. You`ve REPEATEDLY avoided the question, retiring behind a flurry of words. Again - do tell me what your view is of the ex-President of Israel`s sexual abuse of his female staffers? Straight question, straight answer please" PWNED

He posts from cal., I believe. He admires Galloway for standing up to the US Congress, and differentiating between antizionism and antisemitism. Morris says his grandfather was a communists, although he himself is a socialist. He is a pro-syrian, in that he thinks if syria was allowed free reign in lebanon, certain other issues could be solved. Regards, Cipora

Ur haste will not help. Trust others as well as urself. Things u want done have occured to others. If they r not done it is because they cannot be done , usually for diplomatic reasons and other hidden complications.

Why not say it more directly-- NO ISRAEL. This is precisely what Jews do not want.

for the advice you gave. I wrote them down so that I will remember to pay attention in future to these qualities in men you mentioned. I've only known "tough" guys, incl. my hubby. Nowadays there are so many wonderful books available for women to read and learn from about dating, about men and what to expect. As I was young, some 20 years ago, there was practically nothing....so everything had to be learned through the hard way, which is very consuming and traumatizing, because of all the mistakes many women, incl. me, made those days! Nevertheless, I am reading them and learning from them NOW! Better late than never. I wrote your advice on a page of one such guide-book I have. Appreciate your hints more than you know.

THINKING Smadar If only it was as simple as you make out to be Your response is wonderful to be hold.Honestly,and truly.Of course I understood what you were trying to say,and having clarified it further,I find you are asking too much from the other side(if you get my point). I do not want to sound facetious,but I hardly think it is goingto happen.If by some miracle it does,it will take not months,years,but even decades.I am not optimistic sorry to say,and my whole family in Israel hardly think about it,being too busy with their daily lives. My two brothers(elder than myself,I am the youngest)were in the reserves during the 2nd Lebanon War,and enough on their minds without further problems.One in-law is a young Doctor Officer who was stationed in the territories is not there at present but elsewhere. Thanks for the effort and reply. Must wish you a lovely time in Florida and a Happy New Year With Peace and Good Health. P/S My second cousin lives in Miami...

1. "the General Assembly is composed of member states they vote by a simple majority to set up an ICT.follow standard procedures,such as writing to the General Secretary and so on.Whatever the bureaucratic procedures and the mechanics of it,the die is cast as soon the vote is cast." - Lakshmi I don't kinow where you find such a ridiculous and non-existent procedure. The GA can propose a treaty to the state. They then have to vote for it,and ratify it as their national law provides. The vote of the UN representative of a certain country (say, the US) expresses only the opinion of the executive branch. By US law, the Senate has to ratify and vote yes. They may refuse. Example: The US voted in the UN for the ICC treaty but the Senate did not ratify. I hope you see the difference, which is not a "beaurocratic procedure" by any means. Better start thinking why the GA itself cannot by its vote authorize a treaty such that member states would not need to bother and sign separately. The more you talk, the more suspicious people here would become. . 2. "Surprised you don`t know about the PLO Declaration of Indpendence of 1988,which based itself on the Partition Line,which arafat repudiated at the infamous oslo" - Lakshmi No need to be so surprised. Israel also mentioned Res. 181 in the Declaration of Independence. It took the Declaration to mean that the Jews in Palestine have the right for self-determinations. But mentioning the this Resolution does not mean accepting the borders. In Israel there was actually a debate on whether to mention the Partition borders in the Declaration or not. It was decided not to mention them, because they were already history (a civil war with the Arab population was going on for over 6 months by then.) The PLO did the same, mentioned Resolution 181 without affirming any borders. Another bit of eisegesis by you. 3. Hamas and what they mean. We are not arguing about the Hamas program. I am saying that you are stating a falsehood when you say that they accept the Partition Line. False means, stop the baloney. And please do not waste my time on this.

Hey Gabe1 - Real Zionists want peace with their neighbors. People like you who claim to care about Israel and sit around all day bashing their fellow Jews and Israelis like me who want peace are no better then their radical Islamist counterparts. You resemble Hamas and friends more than any Zionist I ever knew. Yes I want peace and yes I am a humanist and a human being much unlike you who is nothing more than a mountain of seething hatred.

So if you do not read papers or look on TV, let me quote the Covenant of Hamas, the very same paper they went to the democratic elections with: Article seven "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem). Let me ask you: when you write "We were Carrying on a war of independence against our agressors." Who were your aggressors? Now I want to learn from you

Hi 17. I find it difficult posting to you , I have to put brackets around the post number to keep it from getting mixed up with your personal number/name. LOL Is there a nickname we could use? or perhaps "seventeen " ??? USA constitution is based largely on Libertarian principles. The last century really saw a bastardization of those principles. Federal Reserve Board engineering depressions and now the crashing USA dollar. Illegal personal income taxes( they were originally meant for corporations only) Big brother everywhere. You bet I'm a Libertarian. Love Ron Paul !!!!!!

"Hamas,once again you have not read their statements.2 state yes,but not the Green Line." Please Lakshmi, prov this to me with facts. The only sure thing I know that they wrote in their Covenant for the "democratic" elections: "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

You wrote-----"I am not writing a new Animal farm. I am quoting the daily news..." Is that one of those tabloids.Not surprised by anything they publish.Personally I dont read them. You wrote----"By the way, I salute the Irish people of making the good Friday, after having killed each other for 900 years, all in the name of Christ..." You should read a paper of record and stay away from those Tabloids.Try a history book.We were Carrying on a war of independence against our agressors, much like the Palestinians are. But on the positive side, lets hope you learn from the mistakes of others and stop killing Palestinians all in the name of greed. Merry Xmas.

I say: "Shma Israel, Adonai eloheinu, Adonai echad". Wonderful words. Let me give you a wonderful song from Israel. When you hear it you know we stand together.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBxJbnVE1Vc

I am still waiting for an answer to my posts #s 264 & 543.

I consider that you have great difficulty dealing with applications to the real world. How would you characterize looking at two texts and deciding if they are from the same author? I wouldn't call it dealing with reality, although such an activity may have implications for the real world, as are all human activities. So far, I think my characterization works fine if the definition is not stated precisely. (We know it when we see it can do.) I will not be able to compare you to Cloudia because, to my understanding, you have much more experience with my writing, and I have not been following Cloudia myself. But the whole Cloudian discovery is nonsensical. I will be surprised if anyone other than Gabe1 and Kathy subscribes to it. I believe Thomas Jackson just left. He may have been interested in Dana, and she seems to be very rare now, so perhaps Jackson simply quit. Peter Dale I simply don't know. If he shows up, I will try to take a close look. P.S. Some special post for you, #81 (and 34) on the 4th forum (US envoy).

'eisegesis' into the discussion.It was Tosefta.Check the posts and you will understand.That's his obvious style of responding.I don't pay much attention to it one way or other.Re:latin and greek,I have good friends who read both.Re:Indian &Pakistani script:North Indian languages use the Devanagari script based on the original Sanskrit.South Indian languages use the Dravidian script.Both are influenced by Sanskrit,with the South Indian being more influenced by Dravidian.Pakistanis:the educated speak Urdu,a combination of arabic,Persian and hindustani.The script is written like the arabic.

yours could be dovale Nasrallah :) whatcha think?

It's beggining to hurt,but they are not yet convinced...Now it's not the time for Israel to quit hammering the bastards...No temporary truce,no letting up the siege...the only condition Israel has to accept,is UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gabe1 really threw me by surprise....but the heavy use of anti-semite, etc. should have known. What must people think about us with our time spent playing these silly games (which I've never participated and am squeaky clean) when the seriousness of the issues discussed here are minimized to such degree? Oy!

Hubal, the moon god of the Kaba Not surprisingly, he did not mention any supporting evidence to prove that the Islamic traditions say that ?Amr ibn Luhayy brought the Hubal idol from Moab to Arabia. The missionaries lifting each others work without proper verification is not entirely surprising. Yet another missionary lifted Nehls' claim about the origins of the Hubal idol at Makkah from Moab, only to present a quote from Hitti's History Of The Arabs that says ?Amr ibn-Luhayy imported the Hubal idol "from Moab or Mesopotamia";[3] thus clearly throwing uncertainty over the Moabite origins of Hubal. From the Islamic traditions, it is unclear where the Hubal idol in Makkah originated from. Al-Azraqi says ?Amr ibn Luhayy brought Hubal from Hit in Mesopotamia, a town situated on the Euphratus,[4] while Ibn al-Kalbi implied that it came from al-Balqa' in Bilād al-Shām.[5] Ibn Hisham[6] and Ibn Kathir,[7] on the other hand, say that it came from Moab in the land of Balqa' in Transjordan. There is no clear-cut position that can be adduced from the Islamic traditions on the issue of the place of origin of the Hubal idol at Makkah, although all of them are united on its foreign origin.[8] There was an awareness among the pre-Islamic Arabs that Hubal was an imported deity and this partly explains why he was not integrated into the "divine family" of Allah unlike the three "daughters of Allah", Allat, Manat and al-?Uzza. This brings us directly to the issue of whether or not Hubal was nothing but Allah.

they vote by a simple majority to set up an ICT.follow standard procedures,such as writing to the General Secretary and so on.Whatever the bureaucratic procedures and the mechanics of it,the die is cast as soon the vote is cast.It is as clear cut as that.And when the subsidiary organ is set up then the GA's authority ends and the ICT or ICC takes over.Re:res.181,you are obviously not au courrant with what is going on.Surprised you don't know about the PLO Declaration of Indpendence of 1988,which based itself on the Partition Line,which arafat repudiated at the infamous oslo,then went back to it once more since 1999.Senior PLO officials have called for it since 1999.Many are still there,but are not part of the quisling's coterie,which is maybe why you don't know about their views.Re: Hamas,once again you have not read their statements.2 state yes,but not the Green Line.Also,their call for the restructuring of PLO etc. Re:Kathy,simply directed her to the sources,no more,no less.

Alicia Yasmeen, I think you have a beautiful name... Dovale

Hello Kathy, sorry for the late response as I brought my kids back from skating, soon going out to dinner with friends, then packing for Florida tomorrow, so I'll try my best...must admit will miss talkback but might post from FL... need the respite in sunny Florida..... Now, to answer your post. In my opinion, a truce means no Qassams, no rearming, regrouping, no digging tunnels, no anti-Israel rhetoric, etc. During the interim of diplomatic negotiations these activities must cease and Israel would also halt incursions. But to answer your question regarding an extremist. Perhaps those that we quantify holding the distinctive traits of an anti-semite or an Islamic extremist is one who's objective is the destruction of Israel within the 1967 borders, and consequently, challenging the security of the Jewish people in Israel and abroad. That's a simple definition in my mind. An anti-Palestinian would be the reverse, one that states there's no such thing as a Palestinian, etc.

Hi Alicia, it is not the nationality or religion that counts. Just make sure he has a heart, have control of his ego, and does not live by the old adage, 'big boys don't cry.' He must know how to weep for the oppressed - a sure sign of love, empathy and understanding.

"What do you think About LABHRAS continues claims on Jews from SA?" Please back up that statement. I am referring to a particular Jewish leopard who claims the ability to change her spots. As I have told you before Gil.Your posts simply do not represent a credible attempt to defend the activities of your government against the Palestinian People.They are therefore unworthy of response. So what does Tosefta,s opinion of me have to do with the Illegal Settlement Expansion.????.

Serious people on this side of the aisle are against a "calming" that will only serve to allow Hamas to strengthen itself during that period. In particular, if Hamas used the "temporary truce" to smuggle and build up its store of weapons, then obviously, from a military perspective, Israel would be worse off in the long run. For sure, people would want to give the children of Sderot a period without Qassams, but only if such a period would not be followed by more intense and accurate barrage of missiles fired at them, and possibly at strategic installations in Israel. In other words, a decision on a temporary truce is strictly a military one, rather than a political one.

Valentine liking George Galloway,what! Since I rarely read many only some,I must have missed this tit,bit of information. Was this Morris Valentine from the U.K?

Thanky you too, Yonatan, but let me rather put it this way: I definitely wish all the remaining reasonable people in Israel well. But those people I even wish VERY well....:)

Thank you, Smadar, even if I could easily do without all the business around it....

Madame, Without prejudging the veracity of the statement - Hubal states that somebody in his close/extended family spent some time in Jewish school. I know about Jews in Catholic schools, Catholics in Jewish Schools, etc I think that for many people academics considerations are preeminent. I used to invite my pious Muslim colleague to a Synagogue restaurant - it satisfied his dietary preferences. The world outside of this crazy barkback is much more accommodating... ps. Are you a Libertarian?

Ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appelant. - Tacitus ML. We are the worm in the wood! We are the rot at the root! We are the taint in the blood! We are the thorn in the foot! Forgive then, They know not what they do. Regards

Tosefta Forgot to mention.My Grandfather and Grandmother both,spoke,read,and wrote greek fluently.Thought I`d put the record straight. Not classical greek of course but "modern". P/S And exo in modern greek means "out"! But I had forgotten the word for "IN".There you go.Am fed up with my typo errors and my continuous carelessness...

i suggested it as a revert name but i suppose you being a zionist means you want it so it makes it yours fine i will not argue since no one would ever confuse you as a muslimah

"That response is a perfect example of rabid Zionist logic" I am not writing a new Animal farm. I am quoting the daily news... By the way, I salute the Irish people of making the good Friday, after having killed each other for 900 years, all in the name of Christ... Merry Christmas..

Temporary truce Wnat kind of nonsense Israel should stop going after these terrorists and give them a chance to increase their supply of weapons so they can hurt Israel more. Israel would have to be a complete fool.

This is a response to #530 If anybody asks Since she doesn`t read my mail Hi Labhras

This is a response to #530 If anybody asks Since she doesn`t read my mail Hi Labhras

Ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appelant. - Tacitus

I say: "Shma Israel, Adonai eloheinu, Adonai echad". I AM a Jew, NOT a Moslem. I love both the person I am and the Jewish identity I have. I love my G-D. My Hebrew name is Alicia and now I have been given a beautiful Moslem name Yasmeen, I like. This name does not make me any less Jewish nor does it make me a Moslem. Together they remind me of my own humanity(macrocosmos), which is a part of mankind(macrocosmos)...not to be anything more nor to feel anything less.

Contrary to what you think, I do not waste my time figuring out whether posters with other aliases are you, or not. All I know for certain is that I am not you. The fact that my opinion seems to count for you, belies all those times when you have claimed that I was a bird from outer space, one who is far removed from reality. Paying close attention to style and manner of writing would require grounding in reality. What I do not have is patience with silliness. I assure you that whatever alias you should use, I shall respond, if I do, as if you were a different person. By the way, have you any idea what happened to Thomas Jackson and to Peter Dale? They both had something to their characters that was appealing--Thomas especially, with his poem that just appeared one day out of nowhere. Peter is very erudite, although he and I disagree. I know that you said that you knew him not, but it does not hurt to ask. There is a new poster now, name Morris Valentine. He admires George Galloway.

I am still waiting for an answer to my post #264. I have a feeling that there is no answer. What happened to free speech in the Muslim world?

When Israel stops all the agression against Hamass! Like the Qassam rockets falling down on Gaza 5 to 10 times a day! Then the Hamass will agree to a truce??? So it's not just Viagra the Palestinian's are smuggling in to Gaza by way of Eygpt, but halusinatory drugs too! Some one is LSD DREAMING THERE IN GAZA!

Hi, I am about to leave for the evening and the Holiday season is near. I have more I would like to say, but doubt I will be able to come back to re-view this discussion. Would you mind e-mailing me at the address above? It would be greatly appreciated.

Tosefta Objectively Speaking, What do you think About LABHRAS continues claims on Jews from SA? I am asking since you claim you can put yourself in anybody`s position or at least try to! But especially because today you seem to have the flu (it is a good thing I think, is it [Tosefta]?)

You wrote----"Why did you settle with your enemy on the good Friday? You could have conquered the whole of England. You just had to send your children to explode in London for a couple of years." That response is a perfect example of rabid zionist logic.It omits the concept of peace while approving the Illegal Settlement expansion and theft of Palestinian Land. BTW I did not send anyone to bomb England.Those in favour of peace usually are against violence whatever the source.It just helps you to get through your day by pretending otherwise.Sad, to say the least.

?La Ilaha Ila-Allah, Muhammad Rasul-Allah?

...not Kubal.

17, in the post that Hubal sent to Tess( # 480 ) Hubal said quote "..This is even the case in my own family. ie.part of education at Jewish schools,mainly Jewish friends etc..." On the basis of this post, and your own previous communication with Hubal, is Hubal trying to say that he is is a Jew ??????

Tosefta Forgot to mention.My grandfather and grandmother both,spoke,read,and wrote greek fluently.Thought I`d put the record straight. Not classical greek of course but "modern". P/S And exo in modern greek means "out"! But I had forgotten the word for"IN".There you go.I allways make typo errors,and had enough with my carelessness.Fed up with it for sure..

Why did you settle with your enemy on the good Friday? You could have conquered the whole of England. You just had to send your children to explode in London for a couple of years. I see you have a lot to learn from your comrades Hamas...

i have read Jane's comments for a long time. I find them to be logical, for the most part yours im afraid, shows the typical right winger with his head in the sand. No one has the real answer in dealing with peace with arabs. Quite frankly, your extremist brothers are very scary. I dont know who i hate more-the extreme left (who will sell Israel to the arabs) or the extreme right (who TRY to deny my rights as a gay jew) BOTH PRETTY SCARY !

Talkback respondents,and we just put our views according how we perceive the situation,and fight our little corner against our detractors.That is al,Dorothy. If you think you can make a difference,the persons you should address must be the Israeli leaders,not us here.I doubt they will take the slightest notice of what we say here to each other Dorothy. You surely must realize this phenomenon everyday.Right,or wrong?Please tell me.. Advance Happy New Year

Yonatan, thank you for your support. Unfortunately, not being considerd Syrian or anti-Semite seems to be a great service on this Talkback, which is inhabited by very strange characters. Regarding my answer to 2, it was mistaken. But you didn't ask how the Talmud decides the dispute about maveh between Rav and Shmuel; rather how the halakha does it. I took a clue from your first question (about prayer) because this is the word Rav uses to decide the meaning of maveh. Halakha l'maaseh, the dispute still needs to be decided and I don't know how it is. It should rather be decided in Shmuel's favor, because "Halakha ki'Shmuel b'mamona".

belches resentment "My existence is a sad mockery. Even fake Irishmen pursue me with contumely in public; all due to the iniquitous semi-demi-hemi-colon.ma in ta. Only the first sentence is fact. The rest is a sad attempt to deny your ubiquitous involvement in subjugating others and then having the audacity to pass your self off as a Peacemaker. Please dont make us laugh.

Hamas has the status of a pursuer who wants to kill Israelis. You don't help your persuer to prepare to kill you!

I've only known Jewish men! What can I say...I've dated wrong men and married a wrong man! I am GLAD to learn from you that there actually are kind men with a touch of "femininity" to them, who treat women and children with love. Dear me, have I missed a BIG time! My goodness, I've wasted half of my life! I think I will file for a divorce tommorow the first thing in the morning. Tell me Clicky: what should I look for: for a Xian, Moslem or just for an Anglican British like yourself?

Let Hamas burn in HELL

The Pals elected Hamas on a platform of genocidal terrorism: the destruction of Israel and death to all Jews. Their idea of a truce is a breathing space to prepare for their next attack. Israel would be crazy to get involved!

and after the holy days then we can all go back to killing eachother?

nothing new about that

Natalie Durson makes yet another statement grounded in fantasy: "The truth is that the Qassams pose no threat to Israel". In which case, a Qassam should pose no threat to Natalie Durson either. Therefore, I'm inviting Natalie Durson to come stand 5 meters from a detonating scud. Since there is no threat, then Natalie will surely agree to do so to prove to the entire world that Qassam rockets are no threat. Either Natalie will be proven right, or we'll have a hiatus from her postings while she recovers in hospital. If she lives through the demonstration, that is.

""We are beating the shit out of them" "Don`t exaggerate, Dovale." Perhaps you are right Clicky. We are only pushing them around a little bit... Take notice that Fatah do not condemn our pushing Hamas aroand. The give out candies in Ramalah and dance in the street. Ones the Palestinians were building us 50 m high buildings, now they are digging rat holes, 50 meter down. "The firing of Qassams won`t stop" Today there wasn't one Qassam in the air. There use to be 15 a day. Hamas is threatening the other terrorists organizations with violence if they don't stop shooting. Why? Because they know if they behave, we behave. So Inshala, there will be some quite now. I spoke to Barak today and said that on the 24th I want clicky to be able to dance around the Christmas tree, and have his pig for dinner, without being disturbed by us pushing the Hamas around. Barak promised me to calm the soldiers down. He sent you his best Chirstmas greetings to you.

and often stuble over them and would not be caught dead or alive with a khazar star

The Pagan Arabs in Mecca worshipped a moon god called Kubal at the Kabah. Tosefta is a compilation of Jewish oral law. The yin and the yang of this multiple personality. Thanks for the heads up, S.

Tosefta Forgot to mention.My grandfather and grandmother both,spoke,read,and wrote greek fluently.Thought I'd put the record straight. Not classical greek of course but "modern". p/S And exo in modern greek meand "out"! but I had forgotten hiow the word "IN".There you go,..

A quick read through the Posts shows the anti peace side digging deep for reasons to avoid making peace. If Hamas promises to stop the resistance and free Shalit and behave themselves for the next????? years then Israel will reward them with ??????. More illegal Settlements and land/water theft and targeted killing and so on and so on.And if the Palestinians hold the ceasefire for any significant period,(as measured by the Intl Community)then Israel can always find a way to destroy any chance of peace.Not as if they lack the know how or will. De javu all over again and again.

You aren't "hammering" Hamas, bf - you've just killed a few people at a distance. To "hammer" them you'd have to send in the IDF, and Israel is twitchy about doing that (too many dead Jews).

good of them to gather in one place like this. there's a lovely counter-malthusian prospect here - depopulation of the evil creeps contingent at an exponential rate: kill a creep; at his 'funeral,' kill one thousand creeps; at their funerals, kill one thousand thousand creeps. even assuming some creep overlap, the prospects for a rapid end to creephood are quite promising.

FOLLOW MY LEADER,SO TO SPEAK..

"men are made of pure 100% testosterone" Most men have a female side to their nature, a tender, loving, nurturing side. My wife and I have brought up our son together. Very often he makes the classic Freudian slip of calling me "mummy", to which I always reply "you mean the mummy with the beard?" The idea that men are beasts who can't control their sexual drives is a terrible insult on the male sex, Alicia.

You would not know a Zionist if you fell over one unless he wore a star of David. Then you would probably assault him.

I see no reason why Israel should not go for unconditional ceasefire. Both sides will have a chance to re-group if re-grouping is an issue. For goodness sake- there is no path that has no risk. No small consequence, lives will be saved and people will be less anxious/stresses as they go about their daily business. A ceasefire is simply a ceasing of the fire. Nothing should be attached to it. This will establish at least the semblance of good will if it works. Agreeing to an unconditional ceasefire will prove on the Hamas side the ability or the inability to control the violence. Let's also see if Israel can control herself. If the Hamas rhetoric continues- plug your ears.

"...by utterly demolishing Hamas and Islamic Jihad will Fatah and Israel ever have a chance at peace. It makes perfect sense." Jane When are you going to join the enlightened world and realize things can be different? "Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends with them?" Abraham Lincoln

Classic greek,or even modern greek? To begin with Tosefta was asking you to clarify your response--whichi did not read completely.And that prompted me to put the response.Anyone can Google the word,it is there in the "latinized"version,and in "greek"for people who can read greek.I was telling Tosefta just a few minute ago(if it surfaces)that reading greek and translating has not been recognized because no has been able to decipher it as yet.Lakshmi,why do you people have to be so outrageous when responding?it is as though you are trying to compete with each other.Who is the more articulate,even if the language is not your own! Oh before I go,can youplease tell me the name of the Indian and Pakistani alphabet's name? I'd be obliged.That said,the Slavonic alphabets are Cyrillic,.But I often wondered the first???

should keep hammering them. We all know Hamas is looking to restore there arsenal.

I too am a fellow critic.But I criticise leftist Israeli policy that puts more Israeli Jews in danger and threatens to undermine the very existence of Israel itself. You " 2" critics, come at it from the polar opposite direction. You DEFEND the people who scream " Death to Israel " ( Hamas and Fatah). I'm not interested in " outing" antisemites, they're a dime a dozen. Israel is surrounded by 100s of millions of them.What difference could it possibly make to identify another one on this forum?

and sometimes your language can be quite abusive and savage when you are contradicted, nor do you easily admit defeat - thugh you do retract - but I believe you are no anti-Zionist and no enemy of Israel. I certainly don't identify you with any of the characters that Kathy and others do. As for your second answer, I was referring to the disagreement over mav'eh, to which the conclusion was teiqu - the problem remains unsolved.

My existence is a sad mockery. Even fake Irishmen pursue me with contumely in public; all due to the iniquitous semi-demi-hemi-colon.

but his cuup runneth over with hate for evey living thing much like diareah

1. "The UNGA can always PROPOSE an international treaty. But the signatory states are those that establish it, if they so desire, not the GA. And typically, a state which is not a signatory to the treaty is not obligated by it." - Tosefta "As you yourself have suggested the GA has the power to set up(by a simple majority)an ICT." - Lakshmi (to Tosefta) I am amazed at your claim. I just DENIED that the GA can set up any such thing and you are telling me that I said it. Proposing is NOT THE SAME as establishing. Have you heard the US expression "the President proposes but the Senate disposes"? Do you understand what it means? Better not try exegesis before you understand such trivial distinctions. 2. "it is a question of what the Hamas leadership mean by 1948 lands.You once said they meant all of israel and I countered by saying no,they meant the land within their Partition side." - Lakshmi After showing you a number of examples from various sources that "1948 lands" is used by the Palestinians in general, not only Hamas, to denote Israel within the Green Line, you are still not getting it, when you have NO SOURCE that shows any reference to the 1947 Partition Line designated as such. This is the research you should have done, trying to understand the meaning of a word, not just fantasizing that it means something that you prefer it to mean. At that point I realized that your claims are based on wishful thinking only. This puts you outside (I mean below) the range of academic standards. You can tell Kath what the definitions of exegesis and eisegesis are, but you actually don't understand either of them, unfortunately.

pd:Be happy,change no exist, Palestinians love Parmenides

Face it , you are a PISS NOW advocate. Just like them you do not care about Israel. What kind of peace has Israel had since 1993 with Fatah in power? Even now Fatah will not recognize israel as a Jewish state. Here is the kicker,Fatah has killed more Israelis than any other terror group including Hamas. So your protestations to loving Israel are just hollow. You are neither a Zionist nor a Patriot just another SELF HATING LEFTIST PISS NOW HUMANIST that does not know when to keep her mouth shut.

disputed it with lakshmi? Please try not to put me at a disanvantage, nor insult my integrity.I honestly did not know about that funny spelling.By the way,do you read greek,does lakshmi?I doubt it. My nephew can,but because the prounciation and translation has not been estalished at all,it remains null and void.No one seems able in translating.As far as I am aware.If you think I am wrong then please inform me. The only way is to read the latinized version. Stop calling Klaudia(Cloudia).It sounds rather puerile. Also you think you are a super intellectual which we know you are not.Furthermore nor is Mark L.with his limited knowledge in "aero dinamics"."nuclear physics" either. You know the saying:A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.Well,I do not indulge in it. But you seem to think you have,and proof of this phenomenon... Now go away and be good.I also wish you a Happy New Year..

Israel as the main aggressor." H Sir, I understand that only very small minority of American Jews are not racists. In other worlds an overwhelming majority of American Jews are racists. Of course I am not going to qualify your "UK perspective" ... Would it be possible for you to give equivalent expose on Arabs? Thank you

and how he can't stand anyone else but we knew that Gabbey anything ever new with you?

When I exposed Tosefta as being Ben Gurion I received a slew of hate posts ftom his allies such as Danite and Dorothy and a bunch that now considers him their nemesis. Prior to using the Tosefta name he experimented with Judge Judy and I believe Titus.he also used Mark Lincoln at that time,who occassionaly springs up. He does adapt a slight variation in style but eventually goes back to being his pompous hot air Arab Pisher personality, That is his style. You may be right that he now uses Hubal, Gepetto and a number of others. The tell tale is the pompous, hot air and I am always right credo.HE is an ISRAELI ARAB residing in the USA. PS-He also plegiarizes a lot. Jerome Segal used to be his favourite. All his posts and replies are stored. Happy hunting KLAUDIA. You will have no problem ruffling his ego as it is bigger than his puny brain.

"We are beating the shit out of them" Don't exaggerate, Dovale. You've murdered some of the militants and a small handful of their leaders. That's it. What Israel is doing now is no big deal. It's been murdering Palestinians for decades. The firing of Qassams won't stop. Even if Israel reoccupies Gaza the Qassams will still be fired into Israel. When Israel was in FULL MILITARY OCCUPATION, last time round, it couldn't stop the firing of Qassams.

I admire the intellectual prowess of Klaudia, her honesty and her dedication to Israel. I also admire that she can dissect the Lies and Nonsense coming out of the mouth of antisemites and Israel haters like you/Tosefta. I have never offended Pro Israel supporters of which neither Danite, Dorothy, Janeor Tzfonit is one. To you and people like the forementioned any defense of Israel is considered Racist and Bigots, the very same epithets that belong to you and these so called pro Israeli Self haters. Wanting a Judenreign Palestine(that will never happen) is not Racist and Bigoted. What a bunch of hypocritical MORONS.

Fatah were Hamas's partners and look what happned to them -- thrown off roofs of tower blocks. We're their supposed enemy, how much worse do they think of us. The Pals elected a Hamas government whose platform included the destruction of Israel and the genocide of Jews world wide. What hopes are there of a genuine truce?

What has become of you? ;) ;)

" I have not yet sunk to the gutter existence of having a Kampf and hope I never do."m in ta You are already in a "Gutter Existence", given that you are into your second Apartheid.Just how much lower can one go.

aka Mark Lincoln, aka Gepetto and a slew of others I admire the intellectual prowess of Klaudia, her honesty and her dedication to Israel. I also admire that she can dissect the Lies and Nonsense coming out of the mouth of antisemites and Israel haters like you/Tosefta. I have never offended Pro Israel supporters of which neither Danite, Dorothy, Janeor Tzfonit is one. To you and people like the forementioned any defense of Israel is considered Racist and Bigots, the very same epithets that belong to you and these so called pro Israeli Self haters. Wanting a Judenreign Palestine(that will never happen) is not Racist and Bigoted. What a bunch of hypocritical MORONS.

you did not say ?La Ilaha Ila-Allah, Muhammad Rasul-Allah? but did like the name?

"We Jews, the destroyers, will remain the destroyer forever . . . nothing that the Gentiles will do will meet our needs and demands".

Excuse for cutting in betw. you and Daybreak on Pr.Katsav. I hope you don't mind. As a man you know that men are made of pure 100% testosterone. Acc. to the world-known psychoanalyst Sigmund Freud, men spend 90% of their waking hours thinking of sex! So what can you expect from this world, when it is run almost exclusively by men, who use only 10% of their time and 0.001% out of the 1% brain capacity, people generally use out of their brain-capacity, to run the world?! NOW Mr.Clickfool, you may claim that the Moslem men are "chaste", but a NORMAL man is NOT! How do you expect Pr.Katsav to be an exception? The only problem was that he was not able to discipline his drive and therefore he did not measure up to his presidency. Sex is men's weak point....and the Jews' especially, who are 2x100%:ly made of testosterone! A normal car has 4 gears, a Jewish car 8! Get it? You should read Samson and Delilah! A Xmas riddle to you: How did Mossad lure Vanunu? Merry Xmas Clicky!

I am behind Israel's agenda of progressing towards peace with Fatah and I am also for Israel's policy of destroying Hamas. What part of that don't you understand? I believe the two go hand in hand and only by utterly demolishing Hamas and Islamic Jihad will Fatah and Israel ever have a chance at peace. It makes perfect sense.

Why do you think that the Hamastan starts to speak about "truce"? They started to love us? No...We are beating the shit out of them, and we can go much worse... You know that very well, and in my opinion, we should. We are up against terrorists, a bunch of criminals that stand in front of TV in suits. They dress their children in suicide cloths.Its tragic comic who this people are pathetic. Gilad Shalit could very well be dead, God forbid. The Red Cross has not been able to see Gilad even ones, Hamas has crossed every line of humanity. So let them feel the heat. The strategy is perfect. Let them stay in their rat holes. When they come up, we cut their tales... I feel proud as a Jew when they want thousands Palestinians for one Jew! It should tell every human how they look upon their own value. They shall be aware of that every single Israeli soldier have Gilad in mind, when he aims at the terrirists..

I told Lakshmi a long time ago that I was tired of the subject; Res. 181 is dead and buried and I am not getting involved anymore. My objection was to the claim that Hamas supported 181. They never did, not did ant Arab group that I know of. Lakshmi is preaching to Jews instead of Arabs who might be more inclined to accept this. (I mean, the unrealistic ones, not PLO or Hamas.) It will change your life if you realize that it is possible to think about the situation in objective terms, and then try to do so. Nobody is perfectly objective, but one should try. And it helps if you try to put yourself in the other guy's position and consider his point of view too.

search on the word 'eisegesis'.

As it always seems the case that the Arabd are demanding a "goodwill gesture" from Israel, if Hamas is serious before there are any discussions about a "truce" and pieces of paper fly around on the subject, let them first release Shalit.

My name is Margie and I admit it, I use semi-colons without limitation and have done so for many years. My syntax is ruined by the practice and my grammatical life is in shreds, however I have not yet sunk to the gutter existence of having a Kampf and hope I never do.

Yonatan, why should I offer any defense against preposterous accusations? I let all the "believers" come out first, get recognized, tagged, and then sent back into their holes never to be bothered with again, As far as your questions, if you promise to keep quiet about this for a couple more hours, I will tell you that, 1. Don't eat before the morning prayer. 2. Rav is right and it is Man.

That is quite likely a reasonable assessment of the differences vis a vis Israel, between Jewish Americans, Tess. Just what proportions you might put into which group is another matter of course. Certainly my perception from a UK perspective is something along the lines of 50/10 or less/40 or thereabouts. ie: Half are racists, including much of the older generation of Jews that were first generation immigrants, most of whom are no longer alive of course but they managed to pass on their prejudices quite successfully. A similarly large number are able to criticise Israel occasionally but reserve by far the most blame on the Arabs who don't have the capacity to learn from their errors.(more subliminal form of racism perhaps). Which leaves only a small minority who perceive Israel as the main aggressor. In my own experience most of these would not speak out on the matter in any case. In the UK certainly it is highly unusual for a Jew to see both sides of the argument. After all, most feel as if they are part of the argument and strongly identify with a pro-Israel stance. Maybe less so in the States. Here young Jews mostly go to single faith schools, a number will join zionist groups by their teens and rarely mix outside of their ethnic environment until they start work or go to university. Even then, most young Jews choose universities that have a strong Jewish presence, so can still socialize within their ethnic group for a few more years before meeting up with outsiders. This is even the case in my own family.ie: part of education at Jewish schools, mainly Jewish friends etc. I fit the mould to an extent as well! So the problem is that in any head butting those few who speak out against Israel will be thoroughly out butted! 'My nation Israel, right or wrong' is inculcated into most young Jews by the time they leave school. They will only know one side of the argument. I am for a rapid settlement of the issues, formation of two states and the commencement of reconciliation between the peoples, all of which can be wrapped up in good time,(as indicated by Taba and Geneva) but fear that due to the mess, that is now the political quagmire of the mid-east, things will likely degenerate from hereon in.

I believe that everyone knows who is holding Shalit anyway: that's the Dogmush family who kidnapped Johnston and the IDF could do that without the Red Crescent guiding them. It's a non-argument.

Entity must. The audacity.Calling Israel an entity! They don`t need to write any further. What a bunch of idiots. Why would Israel be interested in "terms" from this filth? Gazas problems begin and end with holding onto the kidnapped Shalit and firing rockets into Israel. Return Shalit and stop firing rockets, and the "Hudna" takes care of itself.(Doctor L B) Fraid I we would accept a hudnaI we would suffer. This only means a rearming themselves while they have an interval so's they start all over.No hudna,shmudna.(Kathy) Try to maintain the status quo, and no draft of "terms" is going to do them any good. Israel has ZERO incentive to just let them rearm, train replacements for the 50 dead/week they now suffer and plug the leaks that provides Israel with targeting information from informants. Hitler wanted a "hudna" in November 1944; he didn`t get one(Doctor L ) So,no DICE HAMAS. Maybe the French Navy should offer to evacuate Hamas to Tunis, they did Arafat.Good IDEA

As an ex Jew whose mother converted out and whose children learn that we killed G-d in their scholling, I would hardly ask you to tell Jews what and what not they can do. Just as a matter of interest I also believe that your father was GERMAN. so forgive me if I don't say YA WOHL MEIN HERR.

"WHAT ON EARTH IS:EISEGESIS?" - Kathy Kathy, this is an "official" term. Here is the Free Dictionary definition: "eisegesis - personal interpretation of a text (especially of the Bible) using your own ideas" The word is derived from the Greek and it means the opposite of exegesis. Exodos=exit, Eisodos=entrance. Instead of getting things out of a text, you put something into it (reading into it). Check with Cloudia too. I am sure she does a lot of eisegesis at work. As far as accepting blindly what some people say, you unfortunately do it. I was right about you and the Klaudia theory, as I also believe that Cipora will reject it. But have a happy new year anyhow.

and I am sure any literate person can engage in it,not just the so called academics.But to the substantive part of your post.As you yourself have suggested the GA has the power to set up(by a simple majority)an ICT.Unanimous vote is not required.Once established it takes on a life of its own.The GA has nothing further to do with it.And the ICT's deliberations are not influenced by whether a member state voted for the establishment of the ICT.And in the case of the ICC,both israel and the u.s.did not sign or ratify.In 2000,the u.s. did and then refused to ratify.But some leading Dems.have said they will.And so it goes.Re: the Partition Line and the Green Line,I hope you are not saying that they are identical,and if they are not(as you will agree)then it is a question of what the Hamas leadership mean by 1948 lands.You once said they meant all of israel and I countered by saying no,they meant the land within their Partition side. Re: such loaded words as 'hate'not into such discussions!

"I myself have no problems if you want to think of me as Gabe." by others whom I already mentioned-who unlike me, are not anti-semites,(as per your juvenile reasoning);;;; perhaps you would like to widen your net a little, and catch a few more anti-semites? There must be lots more on these forums disguising themselves as critics of Israeli policy. Out them! My petty demagogue ;)

isreal loses all my support if they agree to this stupid truce idea. how many times has hamas agreed to a truce with israel and with fatah?? i lost count and hamas always breaks the deal. enough is enough. the only way IDF should halt operations is if hamas publically over al jazerra announces that it is putting down its arms, then it must deliver all guns, bomb, etc to a specific area away from population where IAF will bomb the heck out of the area destroying such arms and most importantly release Gilad immediately. nothing less will do. not truce while hamas remains armed.

Thank you, Smadar, and may the wings of angels enfold and protect you and your family this coming year.

With all due respect, I believe Minister Ben-Eliezer is wrong. There should be no talks for the release of Shalit. It is hamas who is asking for the cease-fire, so it is them, not Israel, who has to meet conditions.

They will continue its attacks against the terrorists. All the best to the soldiers taking part in these operations and also to the wounded.

Tosefta Why on Earth Shoot the Lakshmi Massager, [Truly Speechless] ???? Go on Lakshmi with the 181 partition lines, you are just gaining Toseftas support to Israel, Or are we really [Tosefta]?

"Gilad Shalit must be unconditionally released" Ain't no "must" about it - Shalit will only walk free if very large numbers of Palestinian prisoners are released. This won't happy. Olmert's ego is too fragile to allow anything that might be seen as a victory for Hamas. So Shalit will stay in the pokey forever, I think.

Then they not need to wait for Israel to accept the terms. Hamas can stop attacking Israel the moment they want to.

Margie, although I agree with your assessment of the distinctions between kidnapped and PoW, but the fact is Hamas would not be following the IRC to Israel's prisons, and assassinating the warden (although they would probably like to). Hamas has GOOD reason to believe Israel would do this, no matter where, or which country, Shalit was being held in. I believe there's precedent? I don't admire the morality on either side in this situation.

Define Truce!! Be sure to demand all the Hamas leadership give their first born sons as hostages in case (right) the truce is a scam.

Hamas has never honored a truce. Why should we believe they would now? I hope the government listens to him.

They don't need to write any further. What a bunch of idiots. Why would Israel be interested in "terms" from this filth? Gazas problems begin and end with holding onto the kidnapped Shalit and firing rockets into Israel. Return Shalit and stop firing rockets, and the "Hudna" takes care of itself. Try to maintain the status quo, and no draft of "terms" is going to do them any good. Israel has ZERO incentive to just let them rearm, train replacements for the 50 dead/week they now suffer and plug the leaks that provides Israel with targeting information from informants. Hitler wanted a "hudna" in November 1944; he didn't get one. Maybe the French Navy should offer to evacuate Hamas to Tunis, like they did Arafat and the PLO after their 1982 debacle in Lebanon.

" I could conceivably convince myself that I`m clickfool........" Do you feel a "Spartacus" moment coming, Zayda? Thank you. (;-) CF By the way, all the Clickfools to your post were genuine.

if Israelis wanted to kill 'you all' you would have been dead a long time ago