Hamas, PRC say will act to torpedo new U.S. benchmarks for Israel, PA

"Jews and Arabs lived together for many years without problems." Where, when? Point to where I said that. There's been a history of Arab on Jew violence since Mohamed slaughtered the Jews of Medina. "cause", I quoted that: The current violence has been caused by Arab declarations of war. Notice that you can't accept that -- or even address it. "ousted"? When? Where? By Whom? War was declared by Arabs, Arabs and Jews fled. That's part of war. That you focus on 472,000 Arabs rather than the 50 million refugees worldwide during the same period -- all absorbed and none w/RoR -- is clear and bigoted. "dubious land claim from thousands of years ago"? Really? So why do Ottoman and Brit records show Jewish majority in Jerusalem and massive sales of land by Arabs to Jews in the 19th and 20th centuries? On Brit official even recorded that the only thing slowing Jewish purchases was lack of money to buy all the Arabs offered. So much you can't address because it would rip apart your fantasies

Read your post. Jews and Arabs lived together for many years without problems. You address the effects without regard to the causes for what you have outlined. If the underlying cause cannot be identified and rectified, the effects will continue. Most folks can identify with the Pals being ousted in such a brutal manner based on a dubious land claim from thousands of years ago. People here would resist if the Indians made a 200 year old land claim. Anyway, regards. Keep blogging. Ballistic.

You want "laid out rather nicely"? Ok, here, again, is what you, Margeret, Dutch, JB, et al, run from: 1) The Muslim Brotherhood, of which Hamas is a member, declared global jihad its cause in 1928 2) The Arab League & Arab High Committee (The Palestinian Arabs) rejected UNR181 in 1947, then declared war against Israel's existence in '48 3) Fatah did so in '58 4) The PLO did so in '65 That is "resistance" to nothing except the existence of Israel.

Why do you give one whit one way or the other as to whether I am female or not? A couple months ago I saw that Kath posted another poster saying she had "just found out" from "IT" that Ballistic was a woman and that she could have been "knocked over with a feather" at the news of that fact. If you still have interest in this irrelevant subject, perhaps by directing the BS to Kath; she may choose to tell you her source. BTW, I still haven't seen any responses by you to Margaret's excellent posts. My guess is you have no response, but are rather a detractor slinging irrelevant BS. Carry on. Regards.

I have read some of your posts, and I agree that the Palestinians are living under a brutal occupation. I agree that the Palestinians shouldn't just roll over - that they should resist the occupation. I frequently visit the B'Tselem website. Of course, B'Tselem comes down like a ton of bricks on Israel, and rightfully so, but B'Tselem also documents and reports Palestinian violence - the Katyusha rocket attacks by Palestinian organizations against Israeli civilians are a breach of international humanitarian law and a war crime. I think to state that Israel's intent has always been to exterminate the Palestinians is hyperbole. There were about 750,000 Palestinian refugees in 1948. Now there are about 7.2 million 1948 refugees and their descendents, and a total of about 9.6 million Palestinians worldwide - of course, most live in the ME. I'm running out of space, and you may not see this post anyway...

You can credit Paul Harris for correcting my "cajones". When I started blogging several months back, I always called them kahunas, which I still prefer, slang or no. In deference to my long posts with Paul Harris, I made an adjustment.

"Let's see you respond to Margaret." I have noticed that out of all the bloggers in this thread, you want me to respond to Margaret. Ok, I shall oblige.

Regarding your education at Rutgers: Isn't it something that I did not believe you had attended Rutger's at all? "Yup, yessiree, nope, nosiree, have coffee, pack up the u-haul, get out the umbrella, and the gig's up" somehow don't seem to reflect a Rutgers and graduate school education - your most recent posts in this thread do. "You didn't even know that I was a woman." Did you undergo a sex change operation? Just kidding - "was" generally refers to the past. Actually, I do know that you claim you are a woman. I just don't believe it. Your use of the word "cajones" so often has led me to believe you are really a man.

Haaretz doesn't allow enough space, so I must reply to your post in more than one part: I do have an idea of what I am talking about in regard to Paul Robeson. I have learned a lot about him. He was truly a remarkable man. In your post #635, you claim that Paul Robeson was EXCLUDED from regular campus and dorm life at RUTGERS - that is the ONLY CLAIM regarding Paul Robeson I dispute. That he eventually moved from the U.S. because he was harrassed is not in dispute. At Rutgers Paul Robeson did experience some prejudice and racism, but he was able to gain the respect of the football team and became one of the most popular students on his team and on campus. That information I obtained from the Dubois Learning Center website. The Dubois Learning Center is no doubt named after the late W.E.B. Dubois, a great American civil rights leader. I believe what I read about Paul Robeson's popularity at Rutgers. Google "Walter Seward" - He lived in the same dorm as Paul Robeson.

What a very nice post. Unfortunately, there are people like Ben Jabo, Peter SM and a few others whose sole job is personal attacks, distraction, obfuscation and other assorted knee jerk reactions such as "antisemitism" charge to any critical discussion of the policies of the gov't of Israel. Unfortunately, the majority of people in the US and in Israel are good people, however, governments and their policies do not reflect the will or goodness of their people. Unfortunately, many here and elsewhere even in the US confuse the two. I do hope moderates on all sides will fairly settle the underlying issues here and in Israel. Things are looking pretty grim. Best regards. Ballistic.

I refer you to posts # 694 and 701. As I said, you have no idea what you are talking about. Paul Robeson not only had meg troubles at Rutgers College, he eventually moved from the US because of harrassment. His own accounts differ from the official ones. Women go to Douglas College, but the board voted in late 1970 to admit them to Rutgers. Obviously, it took time for them to view Rutgers College as a viable alternative to others and they did not come right away. I know when I was there and have used that education and graduate education in Boston as the basis for my livelihood. You didn't even know I was a woman. Try speaking on the issues as Nemesis has suggested. I see you never do. Mr. Sullivan tells me too much personal info given to folks like you is disastrous because of what happened to him. Let's see you respond to Margaret. My educational background became an issue months ago when Paul Harris asked about it. It was not relevant then or now. Regards.

Paul Robeson experienced a racial incident at Rutgers, but after that he became a very popular student on his football team and on campus: http://www.duboislc.org/ShadesOfBlack/PaulRobeson.html That should debunk your claim that he was excluded. "You find no post from me that I entered Rutgers in 1971...I didn`t enter college until the mid 70`s..." Refer to post #259 in the boycotting the boycotters talkback: you stated that you transferred to Rutgers the year afer women were allowed. The Rutgers' Board of Directors voted to admit women in 1970. If you would rather go by the date the first women were admitted in 1972 as the year they were allowed, then you must have transferred there in 1973 (1 year after 1972) - that is not the mid 1970s. The Rutgers info you posted had nothing to do with the topic of the boycotting the boycotter talkback. There are no issues in post #586 that are relevant to this Haaretz talkback topic. It is full of irrelevant gibberish and BS.

Ballistic writes about justice and promoting peace, with clear concern and sympathy for both Israelis and Palestinians. She is a credit to her people. You calumniate Afro-Americans, who are making painful progress to recover from centuries of slavery, and who, nevertheless, have provided us with the moral leadership of people like Martin Luther King. And you write with clear malevolence, no sympathy ? rather, contempt. For those of us who are proud of our Jewish heritage, you are simply a source of shame.

It appears you are gonna have a bit of trouble getting used to world scrutiny of the ME mess. It is telling you view it as a local issue and not wothy of great and nervous concern to the rest of the world. No need for me to go into what you posted; it is irrelevant to this thread and the issues. The issues with my people you enumerate mirror those of the Pals, however, theirs is worse. Forget about the distractions you and others put forth. There are other issues, yes, but none portend the good possibility of nuclear war or a front and center confrontation by the two major religions of the world, which have now come to a head. My people, among others, continue to serve and die in these useless wars. You have very little understanding of today's world members and their mindset and how this conflict fits into it. Unlike you, I have concern for more than myself. You better get to peace while you can and stop with the petty BS. You have failed to read the sign of the times.

There you sit, in NM, pounding the keyboard endlessly, avoiding a situation which should be close to your heart and of a personal concern. You claim to be Afro-American and appear to be totally unconcerned with your brothers & sisters, yet have time to devote yourself to matters so distant from home. Your concerns should be the welfare and advancement of the people you claim to be a part of. 70% Out of wedlock birth rate. 52% H.S. drop-outs. 94% black on black crime. Girl, as the old saying goes: "Tend to your own knitting".

enough to come in out of the rain while others don't. Your mistake is you think the hub-bub is all about Israel; it is not, it is the totality of world events, clearly worrying. Your downfall is common, you think a gig lasts forever. Reasonable people know it does not. However, you are in tune with Nero, fiddling while Rome burned. Despite what evangelical posters write to the contrary, knowledgeable Jews know that there is ample evidence that they may not be the favorite in the race and the reasons why not. However, you are not one of the reasonable posters, so my post is wasted on you. However, just keep on pushing as I know you will. God is on the scene; I believe that. There are certainly differing opinions as to what exactly that means in terms of events. We will all see. Stop gnawing on people and discuss issues, which you rarely do. Regards. Ballistic.

I like that glee, yup, shows how much you want peace. Firstly, that train is gonna leave the station with or without passengers, wait and see. Secondly, what are you now the Orthodox Police (#711)? Boy, one thing you don't lack is moxie. If a Jew has an opinion different from you, they are a fraud. If others differ, they are antisemites. Thirdly, I still use "hey" in my posts, since you are not the chairman of the linguistics dept. Have you moderated Margaret's correct view of events; I doubt it. That is sure one fine refreshing lady, and it is folks like her and a few others affected who will be responsible for Israel's survival, if God wills it, since truth cannot be defeated. Dubya's cajones are still in the wringer. According to Blitzer today, Zawahiri released a tape saying Dubya should be given the money to keep our troops in Iraq and which troops, according to him, have made a repeat of historical mistakes and must stay to be picked off like chickens, golly. con't

There seems to be a bit of doubt about your claim to being "Orthodox". First and foremost who was the Mohel that performed your Brit Milah? Your Parsha was? Then we can proceed to your statements about the Muslims. Have you ever read that portion of the Koran that pertains to Jews & Christian's. If you have, how could you have made a statement that Islam isn't facist when it advocates the less than 2nd class citizenship for the Jews & Christian's? If you don't respond, one and all will know you're sailing under false colors. Just to let you know, I suspect, with good reason, all those that proclaim that theyre American, New Yorkers, Patriots, Orthodox & similar. Usually they're phony's of the first magnitude.

Train won't be leaving the station. Two passengers have refused to board, Hamas & PRC don't want to make the trip. Now you have to refund their fares which they never paid in the first place. Before you schedule the next departure, make certain that passengers are willing to make the trip.

'ORTHODOX J...' is actually a muslim terrorist pretending to be Jewish in order to make it appear as though there were discord within the ranks of civilized human beings. Or, at best, she or he is one of those 'Orthodox' who attended the delightful little Shoa-deniers' conference in Tehran.

and an apparently retractable problem, however, Israel's survival is clearly an unknown sitting in a sea of Muslims. Yet the zealots on either side want it all and some are still pursuing the unrealistic dream of a greater Israel. I do believe that world opinion is against us and the US can no longer support itself and things are going downhill fast with chaos in both govts. There is TV talk by Congress of impeaching Dubya and calls to remove Olmert. Lebanon was a warning, just as Iraq and Afghanistan is. We learned nothing from Vietnam, and all for what we are now told is a lie. The people of both countries are good people; their leadership is not. Many of these posters seem to feel that time is on their side and they can continue to slurp Pal land and then call those Pals who object terrorists when acts of desperation become the order of the day. Unfortunately, Pals have no recourse to address their grievances after 60 years. As the saying goes, no justice, no peace. Regards

It is early Sun morning and I am just having coffee, how about you? My response to you answered what you sent. I guess you don't read all the posts because if you had you would have seen #688, or at least used the referral number to see it. My habit is to use that number and read the post the poster is responding to. Why do you think I am not okay? If I get a reasonable post, I send a reasonable answer. If I get a BS personal attack post, well, I send an appropriate answer to that too. That apparently upsets some posters, sobeit. Regards. Ballistic.

You emphatically stated yesterday that if you saw a "Hey", you were gonna go by the post. Unfortunately, like most of what you say, it was apparently more BS. I am gonna leave you to Margaret. I am still smiling at her the "likes of you" statement. Nope, you can't peddle BS everywhere as you do and then count the responses. I didn't post anything until Lynn started posting me with her various inaccurate characterizations. However, I will leave you to Margaret, a linguistically able poster, which you are not, to get you straight. Regards.

I agree and sympathize. One element of the present Israeli/Palestinian problem is that that both peoples think of themselves as history`s special victims, and, thus, almost anything that they do to their opponents (i.e., victimizers) is acceptable to them.

Are you feeling Ok..doesn't sound like you

It has nothing to do with this thread and is in response to #688, who apparently feels it does have something to do with this thread. Her interest in Rutgers College and my stay there is unknown as she sent 'facts' to me which are quite wrong and she attributes inaccurate statements by me about it. You will note that I answered "Mimi" and then steered her back to the relevant thread. Somehow, she also thought I was a man as evidenced by her "dude" refernce. Personal info is not imp; the subject of the thread is imp. You will need to send your questions to Mimi and perhaps she can lay out why she thinks it relevant; it is not. Regards.

Thanks for your post. It is my hope that all can be free from injustice of any kind. Our people share tragic histories. The most tragic portion of ours was the Middle Passage, the astounding number of deaths incurred during the Passage and the loss of self, name and identity, an imp element your people retained in spite of your horrors. In many respects, what blacks lost during the ordeal surpasses the horrors of yours since you retained what we lost. I support Israel; my Jewish boyfriend is a child survivor of the holocaust and lived for a short time in Israel before coming here. However, in spite of his trauma, he recognizes that his people cannot visit similar deeds upon the indigenous people of Palestine. It appears that many somewhere along the line have lost their soul and their empathy for others now suffering, much as they themselves had with the overlying goal and motive of removing the Pals from the area as quite bluntly laid out by Margaret. Regards.

What exactly does the fact that you went to Rutgers have to do with the topic here? Are you that full of yourself that you think anyone really cares? Unbelieveable.

"at least I have half a soul. That is more than what most people have." - Bird from Outerspace Most people have 1 soul. If you have half a soul than you have LESS than what most people have. (You divide what YOU have by what other people have to find your standing. Don't multiply.) Or did you want to say that you have more than most Martians have?

I am a Jewish American, and I assume that you are an African American. Comparing the histories of our peoples is interesting. You were mostly bought and sold like cattle and compelled to work with your hands. Until I found refuge in the West and in Israel, I was mostly forbidden to work with my hands and periodically murdered. The common element was that neither of our peoples were free. Let us make sure that we enjoy a future of creative choice.

Bush and Rice have raised the specter that the Palestinians, who need peace even more than the Israelis, will abandon Hamas and the even more militant factions. Further, Meshal is even more frightened by the prospect of a truly superior force commanded by Abbas, who has long pointed out the self-defeating stupidity of Palestinian violence. Now, it`s up to the Israeli Government to eschew its greed and fear and turn Meshal`s nightmares into reality.

Very aggressive poster..most of the content is the same thing repeated in a different way..believes in quantity over quality..I like your hemlock suggestion.

"Something EVERY human being need wonder". Virgina. Please correct your statement. 'EVERY' is a generality that dosen't apply in the real world since Kain killed Abel and answers G-d 'I am not my brother's keeper'. Your mouthful response; for reason of truth should read : "Something TRUE humanbeing NEVER need to wonder". Some under dogs are real ALSATIANS,

Hey Moshe; read your post to Margaret. I was wondering if you could expound a tad on the operative words at the end of the post which were "The Jewish forces also seized Arab land to either expand the Jewish territory for security purposes or for other reasons". Golly, how is that inconsistent with theft, terror and whatnot opposers of the conduct are talking about? That sounds like a euphemism for exactly what Margaret said it was, except you prefer to characterize more mildly than she put it. What exactly does that phrase mean? Regards.

as it describes completely your post. You have no idea what are talking about with blacks at Rutgers and Paul Robeson. I don't know what you looked at, but his history there and his racism problems are legendary on campus. Here's the cite: http://www.anc.org.za/ancdocs/history/solidarity/robeson-bio.html You find no post from me that I entered Rutgers in 1971. In fact, I am a woman and Rutgers College did not admit woman until well after 9/70, when the Board voted to do so. I didn't enter college until the mid 70's after transferring from a 2 year school. "Pants down"; hardly. I haven't been in the habit of lying and spinning and no need to start with that. The pants that are down is what Margaret is laying out and stop trying to rewrite the history of Rutgers, Robeson and the Jews. Apparently, you know nothing of any of it, you are just sending knee jerk BS rather than to respond to the issues. Try reading a tad and understanding "history", which is "his story". Regards.

You've just outdone the competition. You now have the title of Champeen Windbag. Of the 689 posts in this thread, you're the author of fifty three (53) worthless pieces of hatred & drivel. Pat yourself on the back as you enjoy your Jonestown Koolaid w/hemlock. I'm having a nice turd shaped pin goldplated to wear on your louse blouse.

King David Hotel was British H.Q. in Palestine. Warning was given to evacuate the hotel, Brits ignore it. Palestinin's kill innocent Israeli's every chance they get. When Palestinian women and children assume the functions of terrorists, they too are terrorists. The can't hide behind a curtain, claiming they're only women & children. It's women that board Israeli busses wearing bombs under their clothing and blow themselves up among innocent passengers, restaurants, shopping centers have all been targets. That sweet looking 14-15 year old is a fully trained terrorist, willing to go to Allah and collects his 72 virgins. Girls that have dishonored their family are given a chance for salvations as a homicide bomber. Don't worry, Israel will exist, if you can prove your Jewish, scum, such as yourself would also be granted entry. Drink the Jonestown Koolaid, it'll solve your problems.

refuse to see, read & learn. Tel Hai was PURCHASED, Arabs attacked it anyway. Early Zionist's BOUGHT all the land they built their settlements on. Hebron's Jews were attacked, raped & slaughtered, it's well documented, as were the timelines. There is none so evil as a person who hates his own people, such as yourself. Nobody denies the rights of the Palestinian's to exist other than the Pali's. They have a home in Jordan, now they want two parcels of land. If you're really so sympatico with the, surely they can find space for you to plant your unworthy carcass. Let the Pali's abide by the UN resolutions, starting with the 1948 Palestine Partition, which the ignored and attacked Israel. Read the Timelines again, apparentlyh you are too stupid to understand them the first time around. Have a cup of Jonestown Koolaid, there's plenty to go around. Still thirsty?, had another cup.

NOBODY writes as many nonsensical posts as does "Ballistic". If you look up "Ballistic" in the dictionary, there are two meanings, one has to do with accuracy, the other to being unhinged. Take your choice, I'm certain you'll come up with the correct answer. Her constant yammering is probably because she can't find anyone to sit down with and have an intelligent conversation. She's too full of herself, and full of you know what.

www.MEMRI.org has long since shown on countless instances that Muslim leaders will deliberately say something in apparent agreement or in acquiescence in ENGLISH tothe west, while in Arabic state the exact opposite to their own people. Moreover, a leader will pretend to agree wholeheartedly with the west, etc. and then when the actions of other Muslims (usually violence), clearly proves otherwise, the 'agreeing' leader will distance himself from the contradictory actions and pretend to be appalled by them. Never forget what the Hamas Charter states. It advocates the complete and total destruction of Jews and of Israel! You can find a copy of this charter on the Internet.

Anything that anyone posts on the Haaretz talkbacks is open for discussion. YOU should stick strictly to the topic of each discussion - 95% of your posts include irrelevant gibberish. You were caught with your pants down when you claimed that when you were at Rutgers (in 1971) no blacks were allowed, and you are still trying to cover your ass. Now you say that Paul Robeson was excluded from regular campus and dorm life at Rutgers, and you are absolutely wrong. Walter Seward lived in the same dorm as Paul Robeson: Paul Robeson became one of the most popular students on the football team and in college. From the Dubois Learning Center (a black website): FYI, Charles Ogletree, a Harvard professor and a leading slavery reparations activist, has said the movement has more vitality in the 21st Century than it had in the past.

Nobody in the M.E. wants peace. america must give up.

#668:I can hardly believe your understanding of the Israel/Arab conflict which is limited to bumper sticker mentality.To believe such nonsense that Israel was built on "theft and terror" is without foundation.Most of the land was purchased with the permission of Turkish authorities prior to the end of WWI and with permission of the British mandatory authorities until the establishment of Israel.During the war of independence of 1948, Arab leaders called for the local Arabs to leave their homes in order to ease the destruction of Israel by the invading Arab armies.The Jewish forces also seized Arab land to either expand the Jewish territory for security purposes or for other reasons.You ought to do some reading on the subject.

margaret: "Well, if my comparisons are so wrong why are all the zionist freaks and their evangelical nutcake friends coming out of the woodwork blathering like banshees?" Whatever 'zionist freaks' or 'evangelical nutcakes' have to say, does not make your comparisons valid - they are still fundamentally wrong. And you still are avoiding the real issues. margaret: "It`s because I`m so right that you`re all getting bent out of shape." margaret, if anything you are just funny. Doubt anybody would get out shape on this account.

Unfortunatelly, paulo, a lot is still left undone. There are still plenty of land left in the hands of palestinians(the renters not the owners). And soon the rightfull owners-Israeli Jews will claim the rest of the land. And so paulo you will like it even more, but in case you don't drink some water from the sea, isn't that what you love to say to whoever desagrees with you.

I remember that one. Nasty piece of work. BTW, a lot of US citizens are being hurt by Illegal Aliens, not immigrants, who are bringing the wages of the average worker down. One of the reasons the Senate was going to pass a new minimum wage act, which they haven't done yet. Six States have passed new minimum wage laws. Keeps the legal citizens from losing out. The construction industries have been hit very hard by the influx of untrained illegals.

What a surprise. I like to read some action and its been boring not seeing any slug out contests in a few weeks. It must be that intransigent ballistic we've been missing to get thinks mixed up. I truly love it. And I see she has some friends. What a treat. Keep it going.

on the causes and not its effects. I find Margaret has laid them out rather nicely today. Resisting the occupation I am sure will have untoward problems caused by the continued resistance. Care to speak on the core issues as Margaret is doing, or do you just wanna keep pointing to the effects as an excuse for your failure to address the core issues, your choice. Regards.

Speak for everybody in the US? No, dear me, you have that wrong, it is you who keeps pushing the idea on the blog that Americans support what is going on over there whole hog, no matter any evidence to suggest differently. Warm sunny skies every day, according to Lynn. Well, it's pretty hard being a black bigot, however, if that's what you wanna say, so be it. You are spinning the issues, and the issues are as Margaret has been laying out & now she is being attacked. She apparently is in NYC with you. Have you any response to what she is saying which coincides with what I have said, except that you can't get away with calling her an antisemite. Her posts indicate hope to anyone interested in peace. Her willingness to expose truth is VERY refreshing. I will watch for your responses to the attacks made on her. She sounds like one fine lady!!! You can't get to peace with the Pals in today's headlines without addressing the core issues, which you blithely gloss over! Regard

And your name is on the list of suspects! (kind of like an honor role). The prize is incredible too - more space! censor free for 1 week! Well, just couldn't resist. Too bad the punctuations all come out as question marks. darn that haaretz. Also that it failed to go up yesterday when I tried first. thanks for the tid bits on your own faithful faker. next to come up (in another day probably) will be the final faker profile. That one will be adapted to tosefta but we can easily string one up for you too. Actually, learning how to be a good faker could be useful exercise. Unfortunately, a desire for learning is not what motivates fakers....

remember your closing sentence to me in the offensive post, and I see you have again touched on it in this post, however, not as crude. I believe the offending "crack" part was a tad over the top. But that was long ago, and I have posted you since then and apologized even though your spunky post to me got the response. The only thing said about your family was that they should have raised you better to not say what you said. Since then, we've been putting along, not always agreeing, but at least have civil discourse about our disagreements, as it should be. I decided you couldn't be all bad when I found out you disliked the disaster Dubya. Best thing about America is we can disagree without being trounced physically. Lotsa people didn't go to college; I am the only one in mine fortunate enough to go to college and grad school; my parents could not. Nothing to be ashamed of. What matters is how one comes at folks. Regards.

Golly day, education for all is at hand. Regards.

My candidates: Flushman (aka The Hydra), Star of David, Gabe1.

I posed a question to Lynn to include those horrific examples you cite wondering whether the recipients of such injustices had any legitimate beefs with the US and/or Israel, as the case may be. I have not heard back. You are a tad off the track; the discussion here is about bad zionists behavior. As far as names called my people, well, let's just say we've endured them over the years. We've dealt with it a lot better than you have and the Pals will survive as well. Say, speaking of covert actions, have any idea how many the Mossad were involved in? CIA is well known. There is at least 1 or 2 books by ex agents laying it bare. MO is always the same whether you and yours or ours, it is all wrong. Save the antisemitism BS; I vote for the Pals, semites, remember? They have taken to calling opposers "bigots". Why aren't you on the front lines instead of being a 5th column in Canada, which, according to Bev a while back, had a large anti-apartheid rally. Did you take part?

Hamas has changed their minds, again. Egypt is going to dig a moat between them and the Pals. Sounds like the Arab States are going to wise up too. Do you think they will fill it with crocs from the Nile?

Do you use the "victimhood routine" to justify your bigotry? No one has claimed to be a victim, except you. And you seem to feel that it is your right to speak for everyone in the US. I also find it unusually funny you choose to use my name so often in your posts. Have you nothing to offer of your own? Now, be a good little poster and see what the title of the article now says. Does that sound like the leaders of Hamas truly want the peace you so loudly proclaim they do? Syrian and Iranian lapdogs, that is Hamas and Hezbollah.

months ago during our "slugfest,why did you resort to attacking me,my immediate family,my mother and father,my education,my heritage and even my dog?either your a cruel person or your feathers were and are ruffled.you can take a look back at your post in here today and see your feathers are truely ruffled.for me,i didn't have the opportunity to go to college,i learned how to work,period,so forgive or kiss my butt if you don't care for my methods or grammar.in dealing with the world and my business i have learned how to grab things by the horns and muscle them in my direction,so im actually better at dealing with things and people in person,rather than trying to impress them with my grammar and typing skills.go ahead,admit it,you were a little ruffled,wern't you.regarding post #644,i have suffered tremendously from the influx of illegals and wish SOMEONE had the nuts to actually do something about it before it's too late.more street language for you,lol

Well, if my comparisons are so wrong why are all the zionist freaks and their evangelical nutcake friends coming out of the woodwork blathering like banshees? It's because I'm so right that you're all getting bent out of shape. Nothing stings like the truth. And here's a bit more: your erstwhile pal George W Bush has ended America's rejection of talks with Iran and Syria. You people can keep on trying to spin the truth to suit the immorality of the zionists, but life is moving on.

I always accused Danite of faking my posts; he denies it. It is someone who posts a lot daily, as even if I am off a week or two, as soon as I return posting, up come the fake Ballistics. The posters have been gnawing on one another for so long that the 'fake' stuff doesn't really get it, cause you get to know the style and views of the poster. A couple of times I was off and when I got back on and saw a fake poster, somebody had already pointed out it was fake and not consistent with my views. What's the prize??? Getting gnawed on for a week (smile). Regards. Ballistic.

You guys just make it up as you go along. Sorry, but your misrepresentations don't work with me. I know exactly what the 1967 borders are and I know exactly what 242 says. Israel's intent from their own admissions has always been to exterminate the Palestinians only they call it reclaiming the land given them by God. Well, I want to see the deeds signed by the hand of God.

You said it Paulo: Israel is built on theft and terror!

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margaret: "I`ve seen the graffiti on the wall that reads... " margaret, do you believe everything you see written on walls?

Just as another hint, the following potential suspects have already been categorically eliminated from our line up (If you disagree please send a 2000 word essay on no more than 3 posts, explaining your (faulty) reasoning)). a. god (christian version ? it?s all about love so why?d he/it do a thing like that?) b. Jeff Northridge (couldn?t figure out whether fakery is legimate according to the ICRC rules of occupation; alibi - still working on legal definition of ?fake? ? should take another month - or a week less if he stops going to sleep way so early) c. Dana (would do a better job of faking + way too busy with Tim R?s homework) d. Lee (I am too mad at him to care ? he was mean to me!) e. eric (is still my body guard, and has an alibi - been on much needed break) f. American in NY (same alibi as dana-the-not-suspect. Seen spending all his time - spare and otherwise - threading through Tim R's homework looking for weak links) Good luck to all contestants! ________

margaret: "it was all Arab land in `48 when the refugees from Europe were plopped down in the middle of the Middle East, unwanted troublemakers who soon showed themselves to be terrorists against the British." Margaret, you are wrong on all accounts - 1) it was not all Arab land; 2) Jewish refugees were not 'plopped' in 1948; 3) Jewish refugees - Holocaust survivors - did not terrorize anybody.

31. Olmert (decided he won?t take it anymore. Picking on Tosefta who may just be the last person to still be able to take anything from Olmert. Not fair!) 32. Livni (blackmail ? did you see how the (real) Tosefta suddenly supports her?) 33. Gaza clan holding Johnson (learning about how to fake a deal and eat their crows too + stick it to Haniye, who ? as everyone knows ? has been secretly whispering in Tosefta?s ear all this time) 34. Tosefta?s long suffering spouse(s) (or child(ren) or grandchild(ren) or students or the pet paraqueet) 35. aliens (landed most recently on the white house lawn. Exchanged Bush for a better model which can string together an entire sentence (wow!). Faking could just be the long feared prelude to invasion of the body snatchers) 35. Other (insert your own suspect) Disclaimer: our game directors extend their apologies to any potential suspect-in-good-standing not appearing on our list. We assure any of our contestants that such omissions were inadvertant.

about how hated you are around the world. I know there is a name that condition, i'll look it up and post it to you. Not much to say to you in Canada as I don`t believe they are mired in Iraq over there. Hold on to this fantasy Ballistic. By the way i almost forgot about that one, i was thinking of Viet Nam, Nicaragua,Peru, Cuba, Laos ,Cambodia , Beirut etc. etc. etc. ya ya and Iraq and hundreds of covert actions around the world and you have the gaul to open your big mouth about any other country. You are one sorry hippocrite if there ever was one. With that record behind you, i wonder what your agenda is. mayyybeee ANTI-SEMITISM ? Oh ya i'm sure some of your best friends are jews. Do you really think you are so hard to read.

21. klaudia (very strange that we haven?t seen much of her around) 22. Yaakov Sullivan (strong motive: make a deal to get rid of his own replicator pests) 23. Cipora JK (added so as not to hurt her feelings; too addicted to the real thing) 24. Tim R (he is driving me crazy with homework. Like I could fix the ME in a fortnight! I?d suspect him of doing anything just to make people work harder) 25. Joe from Ramallah (ah, we know about these Palestinian types, they are used to faking themselves as people, all the more as a nation!) 26. lakshmi (all this cozying up to Tosefta ? could be guilt, who knows?) 27. swiss (dino) (don?t know which side he is on any longer other than agreeing that olmert should get the heck out and that global warming is hurting the alps) 28. Dutch (another one who?s a bit scarce lately. Most peculiar ? why, no opinion on Olmert? Could be up to no good. No alibi whatsoever) 29. god (jewish version - where has he/it been lately? unleashing swarms?) 30. god (muslim version ? irritated at them jews ? always going on and on about everybody else?s problem and not fixing their own. Motive: LET?S SHOW THEM WHO?S BOSS? What about an alibi?)

Pals are semites, so they've changed to calling me a bigot. Say, what of that messy tennis ball you were lobbed in a response post on this thread? I didn't see any response. Are you sure you are a woman? One poster pointed out you are cold hearted, I believe that is what he said. Anyway that messy tennis ball that was lobbed onto your pristine side of the court went unanswered, didn't it? I'll have to look. Say, are you gonna stop posting your 'ravings' about how to keep slurping and squatting on Pal land and how to keep them fighting and distracted amongst themselves while you do so? I was just wondering. After I read your rant to Margaret, I now know about you-if they don't agree with your warped program, whack em, brethren or not. Have tea. Regards.

Rutgers College is a state institution, and when I say blacks and Jews were not allowed at one point in time, it did not mean there was an absolute BAN on all blacks cause that was a tad overboard for a state college. Paul Robeson was there MANY years ago, but was excluded from regular campus and dorm life. Read up on the history. Don't trouble yourself whether I am black or not. Last time I looked I was. And, as I said last time, if you find out about any white folks who love Min. Farrakhan, send me their names. That reparation movement has been around for ions of time; it is dead in the water. Have you anything to post on the issues of the maltreatment of the Pals? BTW, Rutgers College eventually got a Jewish President while I was there. Women were not allowed in Rutgers College either until the 70's; they had to go to Douglas. Google Rutgers College, you will see its history. Regards.

of condescension with you. I have read it. Let's talk about financing and the money? Without money or goods to trade, there would not have been a problem. Get my drift? Okay. I don't wanna get into your 'history' as it appears that it has upset a few folks, no matter. It exists. Do you care to discuss any role your folks have had in your people's misery. If so, I am prepared to do so. Point is, my folks sniffed it up. How about yours? That bible slaves were given about 'heaven' later on and 'turn the other cheek' as a reading primer was quite effective, don't you think? May I suggest to you "The Destruction of Black Civilization" and the well cited "Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews". They go nicely with the work you cite and which I have. As far as your accusation that I am a 'bigot', well, is that the new substitute for the ineffectual you are an 'antisemite'? If so, okay. Regards.

Possibly knock their heads together?

Margaret: "The Jews made every effort to kill Germans with their little petrol bombs" Once again - you compare Warsaw's ghetto to Gaza, and your comparison is wrong. The Jews did not target and murder German civilians. Palestinians do target and murder civilians. That is way we call these Palestinians 'terrorists' Further you say "Israel is commiting genocide in the Occupied Territories of Palestine... and there will be holocast museums for the Palestinians". It does not look like there will be such museums any time soon - the genocide seems to be horribly ineffective, it even looks like there's no genocide at all.

scattered here and there around the globe post me with BS. When was the last time I read something about a "cancer" needing excision? No matter, I can't remember. The problem with cancer is if not treated, it metatasizes causing death. Treat it and you get life. "Truth" my friend is not what you can make the jury believe it is, as lawyers are taught via the "Bramble Bush". Not much to say to you in Canada as I don't believe they are mired in Iraq over there. Anyway, nice chatting with you. How is the weather? Have some tea. Regards.

Why should I be banned from Talkback? Have I told an untruth, or have I told a truth you wish not to read? My response was appropriate to what I was sent. Feel free to use your right arrow key and pass me on by. I like chatting with right minded folks, not those who wish to hide "truth" under the bushel barrel, as the good book says. Sorry you don't agree with me and apparently many other posters. I didn't see where you laid out any specific objection to my Lynn post, so I guess you had none, but rather viewed the appropriate truthful response given as rather, let's just say, harsh. Regards.

Very leftwing de rigeur. Very "intellectual" Very proud of biggoted ignorance,displayed for all to see. What do you know about whispering? Regards? you can give them to the next suicide bomber in Europe. Do you bother to listen to what the Al Qeida types say they really want?.Israel is just a small stepping stone in the total plan. Are you not allowed to think or read outside the party line?

12. Tosefta (secretly undermining himself by faking due to deep issues going back to his yeshiva past; or is just looking for a way out using aversion therapy) 13. FOX (doing it as a charity fund raising activity for likud friends) 14. Indrajaya (practices faking as tool to improve his English ? and succeeding!) 15. Mark Lincoln (potential 5th columnist if there ever was one; a master of disguise; but wouldn?t he do a better job? Hummm?) 16. Clickfool (the real thing, practicing how to fake his own fake self; fake + fake = real thing) 17. johnboy (another suspicious Australian; could be conspiring with Maureen Ann, or ? god forbid ? Star of David; devastating combination right there. Capable of anything) 18. Ballistic (good motive: ultimate revenge on the Man) 19. Smadar (she is just too nice. Suspicious indeed) 20. Ronnie Wollman (pretending to be a friend, but would do anything to fix a favorite football match, given half a chance)

Rules: Pick 3 from the following list of 35 of the usual suspects: 1. gabe1 (has lots of motives. maybe too much?) 2. Star of David (has motive, opportunity and means. Comm?on mate - confess already or we?ll unleash Maureen Ann) 3. Flashman (aka the swarm ? yesterday appearing as peresforpm. But how do we catch ?em all?) 4. GABE 1 (actually gabe 1 but in cahoots with Paul Harris) 5. dana (disguised in her right wing alter ego. Bet you didn?t know she had one!) 6. bored haaretz operators (BHO) (could also double as the swarm. Tx kath) 7. danite (thou protests too much) 8. kath (who could actually be a BHO in desguise. A master stroke) 9. Ann Maureen (there?s something about these Australians; can?t trust any of them, especially after a couple of trips to the bar) 10. The fake clickfool (morphing fast ? tired of faking THE FAKE. Loves to play dress-up; try anything for attention) 11. maria (way too pious ? could be a subversive)

Enjoyed reading your posts and the facts that they have laid out. Regards. Ballistic.

Gee, last time you said that to anybody it was 'Barry Goldwater', you remember him, don't you? Well, he retired once again to his resting place and pulled the coffin lid down. You must be the cheerleader of the rah rah team. I thought it was Chanah. However, more folks are on this blog pointing out shortcomings and appear to be in no mood to massage victimhood, and they are letting you know. One suggestion though, try to find something other than the predicted "antisemitism" argument. It detracts from any point you are attempting to spin. However, it is impossible to refute truth with spin, no matter how ugly and unseemly the truth may be. Did you ever hear "the truth shall set you free". It has a ring of truth, doesn't it? Regards.

I just think they love the conflict. Not really sorry for the Pals, just anti-semitic. If they thought so much of the territories, they would understand why their sort is just making matters worse and definitely not better. That Rah Rah Club is part of the reason the Pals won't give peace and prosperity a chance to work in their favor.

This being a bit of a slow news day and seeing how Olmert just keeps hanging around, while US ?pressure? turns overnight into ?non-binding advisory?, here is the game you?ve all been waiting for to better liven up a dullboard. Fake Tosefta Contest: Nominate the culprit Grand Prize: 3 additional lines per post ? free for the next 3 months!! Bonus Prize: censorship free posting for an entire week! Instructions: Don?t be fooled by the occasional double entries ? this is also a test of your comprehension abilities. Warning: expect this exercise to tax your intuition, cognitive skills and, more than anything, your moral fortitude (and if you are the guilty slime, by all means vote for yourself ? we know you?re on the list). Think carefully as appearances may be deceiving and note the helpful clues. Please mail your entries in a plain envelop to Haaretz Talkback c/o dana.the.not.suspect, or if you?d rather, address to our angel Angelina who kindly agreed to serve as tabulator (?)

you responded to my post #586 to Lynn twice, however, it is no matter. As I told Lynn, I am WELL aware of the history of your people and of mine and what I said is truth, was appropriate and stands. If such is antisemitism in your view, so be it. I thought you had moved beyond that knee jerk response Zionists give to any criticism, no matter whether justified or not. Try spinning on others who might slurp up mischaracterizations you sometimes put out in defense of the indefensible. Injustice cannot and will not stand. You and yours are in for a long bumpy ride if you think the Pals are gonna roll over on this one, nor should they. You have some right minded views, peddle them to your people to save themselves and never mind gnawing on others who point out shortcomings. You know Israel won't survive on her present course. Why should right minded Jews go down the tubes on account of zealots, who want what is not theirs. Regards.

Title is a teaser, sorry (been reading tabloids for tips on how to do good bylines. Work in progress here). Just wanted to thank you for your kind words and profess violent agreement regarding yaakov's post. Should have gotten more attention than it did - but that's what happens on a long tangled up thread that goes to all the places every other threads has gone to before (the not-space-ship-enterprise). OK, changed my mind - can't resist a bit of space (by the way, do you know anyone who's willing to sell some)? The fake business is a potentially serious one, and so I take it to be. Just imagine if it was one of the more talented posters with a penchant for malice. Luckily so far, most of our fakers appear to be long on mischief and grudge but a tad short on skills (which latter is a key indicator, according to my profile). Of course, any one of us can fall off the deep end - even I'm hovering on a ledge here because haaretz has not put up my 6-post contest. Me thinking havock....

Say, Bush has made it clear that he wants the Mexicans here to work, and if he can't get a bill allowing that he cares not one whit about stopping them. Are you following the story of the 3 border agents who drew long prison sentences for shooting a drug toting Mexican who was fleeing, and the gov't gave him immunity and he testified against our agents. Congress is looking into that. Mexicans work the fields where I used to live and they build our homes here in NV. They do gardening and man our fast food restaurants. If USers wanted those jobs at that pay, they would not be needed. They earn very well in construction here; I saw a few checks of theirs being cashed. Pretty respectable amount. I have no problem with anybody not causing trouble, working and wanting to feed their family and have a better life. All very sad really. Regards. Ballistic.

Joe, would you mind contacting me, schafe82@yahoo.com I'll keep my fingers crossed!

Go on and lay it out. I love it. Say, I guess he is gonna call you, a right minded, justice loving person a self hating Jew. Boy, the ploppers are rich, they are really rich. Well, I am sure you will continue to take more flack than me and others saying the same thing, but not in the 'family'. Say, do you think there will ever be peace in Israel based on justice for those Jews living there in 1948 and their Pal neighbors, or will this be a short train trip off a cliff? Regards. Ballistic. And GZLives says what to Margaret (I can't wait to see the response)?

I don't get ruffled feathers. I am assuming that you are talking of my responding appropriately to a couple of out of pocket posts I received. Gee, my feathers weren't even ruffled when you and I had a slugfest a few months back. You know me better than that, however, I will stand my ground. If folks don't wanna discuss the issues, no matter whether we agree or not, and wanna resort to personal attacks on account of the disliked views, well, there are appropriate responses available for all. Glad to see you can laugh. I laugh a lot no matter the seriousness of circumstances. I see you still get upset with posters on and off, but you haven't sent me anything out of pocket and therefore you have not received anything of the sort back from me. Keep blogging. Regards. Ballistic.

"G-D will Bless those who Bless Israel and the Jewish people and Curse those who curse them . Genesis 12 :3" Was that written by a Jew by any chance? LMFAO

Say Lynn, that is not news, that is old hat. Breaking news would be that "Israel has no plans to romp the defenseless Pals as a result of a Zionist trantrum"! That would be news. Regards.

Dude (you do often mention "cajones"), are you still pretending to be a black woman? In the Boycott the Boycotter discussion you said that when you were at Rutgers no blacks were allowed. After I pointed out your slip of the tongue was evidence that you are not black, you came up with a pathetic attempt to cover your ass by stating that blacks were not allowed, but they got in anyway. I am sure that a black person who claims to have attended Rutgers in 1971 would know that blacks have officially been allowed to attend Rutgers since the late 1880s. Now you claim that African Americans have not demanded any 21st Century payouts/handouts for the atrocities they suffered. I am sure that an African American would have at least some knowledge of the reparations for slavery movement: Africa-America Foundation Reparations Project: http://www.aafnet.org/ReparationProjectOfAfr.asp They should receive reparations payments or restitution, wouldn't you agree?

Stop your anti-Semitic ravings.

Dumbite is not too smart so I am not spending time and money on him anymore. You have a good idea, though. If desperate, I will use a dog whisperer, a horse whisperer, or even a ghost whisperer. Thanks.

You say you are not a muslim, i saqy you must be. You said the the Christians got it wrong and you obviously have nothing to say for the jews. and tout that all about islam is true, so you only believe in Islam. ERGO you are a muslim. For your information jews say jesus existed , just that he WAS not god. he was just one of thousands of people running around the mid east at that time claiming to be THE prophit. Much like you running around like you know something.

That is more than what most people have. I have not forgotten that you are attempting to trash Dr. Rice. I am just not interested in your sordid little game.

My motto for living is, "each one, reach one". :)

Howdy Margaret; Are you referring to the armistice line of 1949 in the West Bank and the armistice line of 1950 around the Gaza Strip? There is no UN Security Council Resolution which requires Israel to withdraw completely to those armistice lines. The exact wording of UNSCR 242 implies that Israel is to withdraw from most (but not necessarily all) territory seized during the Six-Day War subject to the following condition being met with first: "Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;" The Palestinians have never met that condition so an Israeli withdrawal to wherever the border turns out to be is not required until after said border has been mutually agreed upon. You, the UN, the ICJ, nor any third party has the authority to dec

As a History major whose subject matter dealt with black studies, I think your protests are a little much. You are a very bigoted person and know very little about reality. Your own kings sold you down the river and so did your church. Please read "From Slavery To Freedom by John Hope Franklin". It is considered to be the most authoritative book written on the subject. I'm sure Henderson has a local library.

No doubt he advised the irish govt on how to extract the maximum from the EU dole coffers, he should know, he has been doing to his country for decades.You make a good friend for Tosefta, you sit there in a half stupor letting him run and run at the mouth for hours all in anticipation of the liquid "reward".Go to him Labrhas he needs you.

Ultimately, the first threat to Israel is conventional. Any threat to her ability to navigate freely is a huge threat since it could strangle her economically. The major threat from Iran is conventional, through Hizbollah and Syria. Obviously, I do not cherish Iran going nuclear, but the slow, steady encirclement of Israel by "conventional" means is more worrisome. A nuclear Iran is everyone's worry, but an encircled Israel is not. Regards, Cipora

Who is this new imaginary creature dumbite?I see you are really going off the rails after the series of stinging defeats I have sent your way, I didnt realise you were so fragile, i will try to be more gentle in the future.At least in this troubling times you have dana to hold on to, she is a real safe harbour for you as you have new experiances, like being defeated.its not like those lab rats and school kids you terrorise is it.best of luck buddy.

You are absolutely right. I would not limit the road to Baghdad. It goes to Kabul and Mogadishu as well. More generally, the key to the war against terrorism is Palestine. I think some people in the USA are realizing it. Better late than never, is not it ?

Exactly! As long as Meshal is running the Pal show from Damascus, there will be no peace. Syria will always have their hand in the territories just like they have Their hand in Lebanon. Haniyeh is just another lapdog like Nasrallah to Iran and Syria.

Oh oh oh Mrs. Ballistic Farrakhan. Like a cancer you can't get rid of.Head of anti-semites of the desert. I wish i could say good to see you again.However it would be better to see the last of you. As in # 583 like you don't know about SPIN or B S. You are the champ in both areas

She shames her race and she tries too hard being an anti-Semite. If she is not banned from the Talkback, then I will not read her, not just ignorant, but stupid and hateful postings. REGARDS, my A&&

That's ridiculous. Bin Laden is a player here. He made himself so on September 11 and his voice is pertinent. It's foolish to discount your enemies.

The one you call degenerate Christa, friend of Lebanon, says hello.

I have read the degenerate anti-semitic leitmotiv already about me. Why is anybody that disgrees with you a degenerate anti-semite ? I am neither degenerate nor anti-semite, just anti-racist and anti-apartheid.

Yes Marc this has to work for all concerned,that means the Arabs are going to have adopt realistic end games as well.I think the taba geneva concepts are a good framework and end game for both.They are going to have share the Old City with us at least, they are not going to push out of there thats for sure.I want those freaks to get real so we can get away from them and put as much distance between us and those losers as possible.This will allow amoungst other things for israel to slip off the front pages everyday and find itself in splendid obscurity for a change so she can concentrate on herself and her development with out being distracted by the frothing maniacs screaming day an night at her.I cant wait to free israel from the whole bloody deranged lot of them.Regards

If you think either party is doing a bit of good for the US, then you are just wrong. The reality is the Minimum wage act was passed in the House and the Senate has not acted to approve it. Yes, they are lazy when it comes to what would benefit the populace. Both parties are into confrontation and not much else. The Dems first 100 days have accomplished zero.

The muslim believe that Jesus was a prophet, the Christians that he was god and the jews, that he was just a man. And remember, accordingt to Christianity, the jews who do not accept Jesus go straight to hell...."no man enters the kingdom of heaven but THROUGH me". Any addendums to that are false.

It seems to me we have not so much to worry about here.The Bridges look like as if it a fortification against the shiites in the North,which makes sense as per current geo politics.Still bridges are not nuclear warheads so Id worry more about Iran right now.

Muslims (i am not a Muslim by the way) believe in Jesus, the Virgin Mary and Mohammed which they consider the last prophet. They have lived peacefully with Jews for hundreds of years, in fact, when Spain kicked all the jews out, it was modern day Turkey, a muslim nation, that took them in. The quoran was written by scribes after a years of oral tradition (as in Christianity), it was the Angel Gabriel that appeared to Mohammed and told him directly the truth about Jesus, and god, and the Jews, because the Christians got it all wrong (surprise)...and they do not have a problem with jews right to exist, but rather the state of Israel, and today, more for the right of a Palestinian State to exist in the West Bank and Gaza. PEACE "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of god" :)

"the God of Abraham,Isaac,and Jacob will defend Israel and His chosen people from her enemies" Really? Well it seems to me that if you were right, the holocaust should never have happened, the Temple should never have been destroyed in Jerusalem (the Romans prospered for over 350 years after that...longer than the US has been around!) and Israel would have been one of the oldest states in the world....it would never have dissappeared in the first place.

Maria, if there is a hell, I am sure that there is a special place for people who speak for god or who use his words to push whatever it is they think he meant, and in doing so cause misery. "sent her a lot of disasters and school massacres,but still she still in slumber party with aclu and democrats" no political party has a monopoly on virtue, as we can all attest by the hypocrite right. It is scary to see people who try to make things happen that there prophesies say will happen, if it will happen, it will happen, when it should happen, we cannot let any book dictate how it should happen, only god knows right? We should just strive to make peace let god make happen what he wants to happen. To do otherwise, to push things to happen is to play god. ...and who are you to say what a true Christian is? I am not sure which country YOU come from but I can assure you that if there is a god, there is not country in the world that it has blessed more than the old US of A.

The only words that come to mind when i read that post is "stupid anti semite" you are really a joke.

I am glad to see you are seeking her guidance in complex matters, I know you dont have much experiance with things out of the lab(shows in your knowledge of history) but she will be a stable force for you as you navigate the new waters of the social sciences.Well done Tosefta!

The anti Israel responses here prove that "never let the facts get in the way" is alive and well.

Perhaps a Dog "Whisperer" might get the required results. Rgds

"My real amazement is triggered when I see academics, like Condi Rice in this case, not able to think something thru. Academics are supposed to be experts in thinking. What is wrong with Condi?" - Tosefta "Academics are experts at getting degrees--they are not necessarily experts in thinking." - Bird from Outerspace #568 ""The document was written by Major General Keith Dayton." The State Department must have approved, but what has that to do with academics." - Bird from Outerspace #591 Can't make the connection, right? Why are we talking about academics? You forgot already. Let me try to explain how it happened. You must have heard that on a Sabbath the Jew has one extra soul. But you are weak in math (as in reality in general) and you tend to divide when you should multiply, as we saw here in the past. Instead of multiplying your soul by 2 you divided it by 2, and you found that you only have half a soul on Saturday. Too little to remember anything that happened more than 2 minutes ago. (I did not mean ½ a minute.)

Your reliance on being Jewish will not impress anyone. It has nothing to do with your arguments. I suggest that you stay away from your reference to Bin Laden, as you did in one of your other posts since all it does is negate anything else you might say.

Howdy Tosefta; Regardless of which group of idiots in the U.S. State Dept. came up with this plan to nowhere and regardless of who approved it, the fact remains that it is unacceptable to both Israel and the Palestinian militant/terrorist groups. We might as well toss it in the dumpster along with the Oslo, Camp David, Geneva, Taba, Roadmap, and Arab Ultimatum proposals. The bottom line is that there is no peace proposal that both Israel and the Palestinians will agree to so it's back to the status quo with the security barrier in the West Bank nearing completion and with the Palestinians' military options being reduced to near zero. What's the hurry? Israel can maintain the status quo indefinitely while the Palestinians continue to breed themselves into perpetual and abject poverty on their side of the fence until hell freezes over. Until the Palestinians are willing to accept 100% of the Gaza Strip and 92% of the West Bank as their Islamic Republic of Palestine, then nothing will

Condi the lame duck worthless token, is now putting pressure on Israel to put guard down, loose a few jews what the hell. Olmert would love to give it all to the Arabs since he is a US puppet. The Bush admin is no postion to bully Israel. So Israelie wimps, congress and the senate have your backs. Just ignore Condi and Stand strong. Get rid of Olmert and the other kadima Surrender monkies as well. Or soon Israel will Be IslaIsrael.

So how does ZOG in Washington respond to this dilema? It's not easy maintaining a schizophrenic foreign policy but you can't blame the Americans for trying. America can't tell Israel what it really needs to hear but loves telling Palestinians what they must do. I don't think a statement by the American government by any official directed at Palestinians EVER didn't include the word "must". That's all we hear from that Zionist infested Black House in Washington. The reality is, there is fifty proposals on the table, with Geneva Initiative, Saudi Inititiatives and others? What does America offer, always piece meal approaches, Tenet plan,Mitchel plan,Road Map--and now more "Benchmarks" to get to the Road Map and so the game continues OF SHIELDING ISRAEL from having to deal WITH FINAL STATUS ISSUES. They keep throwing smoke bombs to cloud the reality of Israeli rejectionism.

immigration is down 40%.she is dead wrong about the dems having a fat lazy ass.they have been in power less than 6 months and she expects them to fix what the ignorant and arrogant republicans have f88ked up for the last 7 years.lynn,how come the republicans,since they have controlled the house,senate and presidency for at least 7 years,and the house and senate even longer,passed a bill on minimun wages and immigration.hmmmmmmmmmmm,i wonder how fat and lazy their asses are?

You must have a strong stomach to deal with the revolting and backward views of ballistic.You are doing an excellent job there.keep up the good work! Regards

having read your post #586 go ahead and tell me you are anything but a degenerate anti semite.

Exactly who do you mean by "those incompetant , embecilic morons in Gaza"? Your postings are usually even-handed.

not happy the peace train has stalled,she just thinks its funny that your precious palestinians (hamas and prc)will "torpedo the peace train".looks like your the only one in the palestinian camp that wants the peace train,and again,the pals have made you look like a fool!you need to find new hero's!

I am glad you are reaching out to dana, she can guide you throught the quiz, and she will make a nice friend for you.Good Tosefta reaching out is the first step.

Announce a new policy: Commencing in one week, any time a rocket is fired into Israel, the square block from whence it came will be destroyed by a missile. It is for those who inhabit that block to leave (or prevent its use by vermin), not for Israel to perform surgery. Little by little, all hiding places used by these rocket vermin will disappear. When the Ps begin to police their own they will be able to live in peace. Until then, they will continue to die senselessly or leave.

yessiree,looks like your the one with ruffled feathers!i needed a good laugh,thanks for being you.

Both Iraq and the Pals want dearly a solution.They just dont want America and Israel respectively (or is it irrespectably?) involved in it. Lets talk about Hizbullah and the Iranian mullahs and their contituences first. Both of them,Hiz and the Mullahs,were pretty well despised by the greater portion of their countries,that is until the west and Israel got involved and then bang they switched in 3 seconds to support them because they are the same people and loyaly against the infifels is most important. America through some manipulation had a noble ideal in mind to bring democracy (ok and maybe some profit)to the area and they all loved the idea of Saddam Hussein being deposed....until he got deposed and now its the big bad wolf Americans.America with leave and the combatants left will kiss each other I guarantee it.The Pals too.Yes lets nego with Israel BUT How dare Israel is involved in negotiations???????????? This is what Arafat felt. The solution cannot contain infidels.

There is a plan in works by Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Egypt to buld to bridges spanning the Gulf of Aqaba. The bridges have the potential to threaten Israel's freedom of navigation. It would also allow the movement of troops and weapons to pass directly from Arabia to the Sinai. While the Saudi peace plan was presented to dazzle a naive, ignorant world, this bridge is concrete evidence that the Saudis have both feet firmly planted to span two continents.

Your response makes no sense. It is human nature to resist losing control over one's life to an occupying force. Ask any American and they will tell you that, of course, they would resist an occupying army and should tanks roll down their streets, destroying their homes and killing their family, they would make whatever bomb they could, find whatever weapon with which to resist. Yet when the Palestinians resist the theft of their land, the loss of their livelihood, their dignity, their lives with whatever paltry means they can muster against the mighty IDF they are made the terrorists. Israel needs only to renounce violence, recognize the right of Palestine to exist, and to abide by the many agreements they have signed to return to the 1967 borders.

Yo Billy .... stick to Hollywood and babe you might think of writing your last post as a screenplay because what an imagination you have. I;ll give you a hint . all those russian and Polish people you mentioned ? Ask any Russian or Pole if these are really Russian and/or Poles and the answer will be first laughing at the very suggestion and then the reply that these aren't Russians or Poles but Jews. Now Billy my naive silly friend, if you actually opt for knowing more you'll find many books that will educate you to you understand these people originally came from ... you guessed it ... the Middle east/Israel were exiled by the Romans and made their way up into N Africa and into Europe. Sooo despite your attempt to tell us all those things you thought you knew, these people, these Jewish people are originally from Israel and those people you champion and defend ? They invaded, conquered and occupied and now lets see if you want the end of occupation or you're all talk ?

I'm hardly naive as I spend about 16 weeks a year there and since I am a Jew I can hardly be said to have "my Islamists". But should we simply address who is wrong in this conversation it would have to be you with your simplistic and morally degrading excuses for Israel's behavior. It is accepted international law that land taken in war must be returned and for decades Israel has defied international law and multiple UN resolutions calling for a return to the 1967 borders. And, of course, it was all Arab land in '48 when the refugees from Europe were plopped down in the middle of the Middle East, unwanted troublemakers who soon showed themselves to be terrorists against the British. So let's not make up our history to justify the moral occupation of the Palestinians' land. Of course, if you have land deeds signed by the hand of God to show then take it to court and stop killing people for their property.

I thought that at the very least an academic like you would know how to read: "The document was written by Major General Keith Dayton." The State Department must have approved, but what has that to do with academics.

Your anti-Israel bias really fries your brains, that is if you have any. Military exports are carried out by many nations, including those that should no better, such as Russia, in their drive to squeeze the last buck out of their sales to your favorite people, Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Al Queda and other wonderful assortment of thugs, killers and kidnappers.

hard hitting no spin posts. They cut through the BS to the heart of the matters. Keep blogging. Regards. Ballistic.

whatever Fox news said about it. Just let our Congressman know you have more info on it than they do, problem solved and we should email those in the border towns and let them know that Lynn says they don't have a severe and growing problem as they allege. Liars one and all, right? Geez! Regards.

You are avoiding the issue. The Jews made every effort to kill Germans with their little petrol bombs and the zionists certainly blew up civilians in the King David Hotel. Israelis kill innocent Palestinians every day, many of them women and children, and they glory in it. I've seen the graffiti on the wall that reads "It would be cheaper to kill them all", referencing the Palestinians behind the wall. Israel is commiting genocide in the Occupied Territories of Palestine and it is bitterly in keeping with what Europe did to the Jews. And one day Israel will be paying reparations to the Palestinians and there will be holocast museums for the Palestinians who have perished at the hands of the IDF and the Israeli government - if Israel exists long enough.

have to do much"! Well, if that statement doesn't take the rag off the bush, yup it does! You must be stupid. My people did more to create the country you enjoy than you and yours. And, they have not whined or demanded any 21st payouts/handouts for the atrocities suffered, unlike Jews who are still whining about what was lost in Germany, wanting money. How do you compensate blacks for losing their names and history, what's the going rate? My ancestors worked with their hands. What did yours do, did they work, of course not, they financed. One poster said Israelis came to CA and she wanted them to go back to Israel cause she said they were lazy, thought they were too good to do manual labor and flubbed up what they did. Don't even go there as I am well aware of your history and those of my people. The history of you and yours is that they will finance and make money off anything, no holds barred, including the misery Jews suffering under Nazis. Okay! Regards.

I don't need a Jews-can-do-no-wrong lecture from the likes of you. The world knows the truth. The early Zionists were terrorists of the lowest order and the zionists of today are no better. They are an offense against all things decent. Let Israel abide by the numerous UN resolutions calling for the return to '67 borders, renounce violence, and recognize the rights of Palestinians to exist. Get your moral house in order before you lecture others.

of impending attack.

Let me ask you this, do any of these people who hate Israel and/or the US from the Arab world ( nd lots in Europe) have ANY legitimate beef with us??? If your answer is in the negative, you are the one who is naive, cause that is the issue. Installing the Shah in Iran after killing their democratically elected leader did not help our history there. Get a life. These people have grievances which need at least to be heart and mediated. Anything short of that is perpetual war. If those living there have your attitude, I am not surprised the neighbors want them out. It is because of their behavior, not antisemitism. Wise up.

"Academics are experts at getting degrees--they are not necessarily experts in thinking. A case in point is your statement regarding Rice. She is not the one who came up with this plan." - Bird from Outerspace Rice is the one responsible for Middle East policy. It was either her or somebody in the State Department who suggested the plan, and she approved it. Approving is her responsibility and her fault. (I am sure she discussed it with Bush, and he approved too, but..) You forgot that on Earth we must use logic and not read minds via antennas. We don't have those. The Academics I am considering are those that can maintain themselves as Academics (by thinking and publishing good stuff). People like you are not among them.

Can't undestand people like you. For God's sake do something better with your time

No. No, if you can't visit your loved ones it means only one thing: they can visit you and stay with you forever. And you know why? Because you and "loved ones" are up to no good. Therefore unite but far far away from Israel.

Anne, Israel is in its 60th year and you did not learn anything.

Looks like the impasse has been met and accepted, again. I'm with you on the need for new leaderdhip, although, I must admit, I did have high hopes.

To look at america that is ruled by jews and christians.It is easy to forget that they killed 12,000,000 natives to get the power they now have.So if people think they wont do the same to palestinians,they are fooling themselves.They are religious fanatics that will kill all that they need to kill to create prophesy.They have moved a bunch of russian and polish people to the heartland of the middle east.And with them came death and destruction for the palestinians.But these people have done it all over the world.Fanatics have no compassion,it is just a job to validate past crimes.So it never ends.It is an evil cycle,fear to live with what is not like us.Seperation and segragation through religion.

Boyle Mexico, on the news. 23 billion per year to Mexico, earned by immigrants. It seems a lot of towns in Mexico are going to lose. Mostly border towns. Lou Dobbs doesn't live in Mexico. Glad to see you know the pain of your neighbors. Over 8 million deported and unless the Dems get off their fat lazy asses their will be no immigration bill. Along with many other things they have failed to address. Such as passing the increase in minimum wages. You know, the small things that make a difference to Americans.

My husband is German born and got his citizenship by serving in the military. You were lucky, your ancestors didn't have to do much to attain that.

Well worth the effort for Bush admin to put out a plan that is basically harmless to palestinians, but does not significantly promote the goal of the palestinian people to destroy Israel. The prompt rejection by the terrorist group elected by palestinian people helps to eliminate any doubt that palestinian people will never accept any solution that does not ensure the destruction of Israel. Meantime, the roadblocks in West Bank, along with the security barrier, are vital to reducing deaths and suffering of the israeli people. Reducing deaths and suffering of the palestinian people is responsibility of their elected rulers, Hamas, and once again it is made clear that they have no interest in reducing suffering and deaths of palestinians so long as it might result in the survival of Israel as a nation.

My dog Dumbite craves a lot of attention, which I am too short of time to give him. I am looking for an adoptive family for him. Dumbite is a very loyal dog. He will follow you wherever you go, even chase after your car. (He is in excellent physical shape.) You can see it in his behavior in the last few days. Give him attention, and he will be quiet and loving. If you can't, Dumbite will bark endlessly, as he is doing here. Only very loving people with lots of time on their hands should apply. Dumbite is not that smart, and seems to be unable to learn new tricks although he is not that old. His previous owner never sent him to dog school, so his repertoire of tricks is limited, but he can still be entertaining. If you have little kids at home, they will be delighted with Dumbite. He can be just at their level. Warning: If you just want to get a dog for free, this may not be a good deal for you. Dumbite can be very obsessive, and just the dog-psychologist will cost you more than the price of a comparable dog.

Have some coffee, consider the role of Iran and Syria. Rule from Damascus for the territories? You really are naive.

The good news is that Mossad exists, M. The bad news is that they are the Keystone Kops of world intelligence services. They couldn't even nick a passport in new Zealand without getting caught.

Just as the US needs in Iraq, a new paradigm here is needed, too. In Iraq, the Bush strategy seems to be delay and hope for the best. He seems to be following the Sharon/Netanyahu model. The "victory" definition keeps shifting with no end in sight. Here, too, neither side seems to have a real or realistic vision of what is needed to make an end of the conflict. The US cannot make peace in Iraq without involving Iraqis. Israel cannot make peace without involving Palestinians. I fear that new leadership is needed for the US, Israel, Iraq and the Palestinians before we'll see an end even defined. Meanwhile, it's time to hunker down and hope things don't get too much worse. And we have to remember that what will work has to work equally for Joe in Ramallah and Ibrahim in Michigan and at least a majority of the Palestinians living in Jericho, Jenin, Gaza and Qalqilia, too.

When there is nothing to do, it is not necessary to pretend to be doing something. The U.S. Administration should forget about the Palestinians for a while, and concentrate on stopping Iran.

Academics are experts at getting degrees--they are not necessarily experts in thinking. A case in point is your statement regarding Rice. She is not the one who came up with this plan.

I like lists. It can be very satisfying checking off, or crossing out items one by one. It takes, and reinforces, discipline which is a good thing. And stuff gets done. I believe that to relax the checkpoints, and give the Pals some breathing room will lead to only one result: more attacks. Hey, I like freedom, and I wish it for everyone, but not everyone can handle it. If you open the cage too much, expect to get clawed.

I much rather have no heart than a fool's heart. Now, what does my heart have to do with public international law?

The US cannot demand that Israel allow passage through her territory of people sworn to destroy her. Just in case you did not know, Israel is a sovereign state, in spite of the military aid that she receives from the US. People do not realize that Gaza and the West Bank are separate geographic entities, and were under the authority of different sovereigns before 1967. I fail to see why passage should not take place through the Sinai. I never said that the Palestinians are going anywhere, with the exception of Bishara, who is going everywhere.

the obvious. Regards. Ballistic.

I want only two things from the Palestinians and only two.That they sign a legaly binding end of the conflict treaty( no hudnas like that fool Tosefta loves)on the basis of Taba geneva and that they disarm hamas and the other degenrate gangs before one soldier is removed.After that they can all vote for Hitler if they want.better not to expect anythign from them except in exchange for a state, giving israel all the legal diplomatic political propoganda advantages in any future conflict.Giving them a state will be to their disadvantage in any future conflict.Regards Amigo!

There is a long tradition in elite British leftist circles of being apologists for the Soviet union and others.George Orwell called them on this and they hated him for it.Especially when he came from fighting in the Spanish civil war and claimed the Communists had stabbed the Revolution in the back!!!But I have no doubt the average "brit" has no illusions about the freaks the flake left adore, the British people are a solid folk and the best to have at ones side ina fight.Regards to you!

I offered hima simple quiz to help through what seems to be a very confusing issue for him, he doesnt seem able to answer it.Everytime I post it goes into some confused and troubled rage please see the mairovich thread and the post "can someone help tosefta" I think he would appreciate any guidance he could get.Poor guy.Thanks to all

Well, okay, red hot economy. The hottest export you have are arms, merchants of death. Sure, the zionists want peace, but can't do without exporting death, er, arms to others to support themselves. Shake your head a few times and join reality. Golly, unbelievable.

"Oh, yeah, such heroic stock." You should come from it, David. (;-) CF

but when the Palestinians resist occupation they are automatically assigned the name `terrorists`. Margaret Sometimes it is well deserved. But YOU do have an automatic and canned response.

What a funny post ie "The Palestinians are here to stay" ... well since they're only a few decades old at this point, I suppose that would be no big deal but "to stay" ? Does that mean for a hundred years? Or until some new Pan Arab charismatic leader comes along and Shazzzam the UAR is invented, but I bet you don't even know what I'm talking about do you? Obviously Jim, you don't know very much about ME history and probably as a good leftiest, you haven't yet explored the skill of Pallywood and Hezbollywood and their ability to make even you believe in myths ... nevertheless, all you display here is your silly naiveness and willingness to swallow whole all the revisionist history your "Palestinians" can dish out. Eat up Jim ...

Well I hate to agree with Hamas's bonehead leader but this time he has a point. So Israel will kindly remove a tiny fraction of the pain and misery they inject daily into Palestinian life and in return Pals give up all resistance to the occupation. SO Israel only has to remove something it put in place in the first place and the Pals are held to no resistance. Nice Deal, sounds great. Get of their flippen land, remove the need for Hamas, stop this pitiful joke about how poor Israel can't have peace, Israel can organise Peace in less than 12 months, but in reality it doesn't want peace. Peace means no more "confiscation" of land, no more settlements etc , all things it can't bring itself to accept as it's a greedy bully.

".....what a absurd pathetic joke to think peace israel has any sort of peace partner!!! The u.s. will turn on israel for short term gains at the cost of long term strategy!!" In geopolitics there are no friends... Right! Peace Israel??? What's that? No peace partner??? How sad. Long term strategy??? Winograd had something to say about that. Stop whining! You still have US money to buy weapons so you can flush those incompetant , embecilic morons in Gaza down the drain. What do you want for nothing? King Solomon's mines?

Whats really absolutely amazing is how many people believe the occupation just came about out of thin air and/or because the Jews just "prefer" to occupy Palestinian Arabs. Margaret, go and have a word with Jordan and Egypt and ask them why they walked away from Gaza and the West Bank ? And while your at it, maybe you ought to ask yourself why you hadn't any problems when these two countries "occupied" this territory. After that, ask yourself what any country would do if their neighbors propagandized to their children to kill and their leaders vowed never to make any peace. Article 13 of the Hamas Charter states: Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Abusing any part of Palestine is abuse directed against part of religion Finally Margaret, stop being so naive. Your Islamists don't want peace with Jews now or ever and have said so again and again.

Since the proposal was made, Hamas leaders have said they will not stop firing rockets into Israel. Five rockets have been fired since Friday with one of them hitting a home in Sderot. I assume that Ms Rice and Mr Bush still consider these "people" still peace partners with whom Israel must negotiate. Shades of Jimmy Carter and his wonderful Nobel Prize efforts to destroy Israel. Le meme change plus de meme,

margaret: "when a few Jews resisted in the Warsaw Ghetto they were hailed as heroes...when the Palestinians resist occupation they are automatically assigned the name `terrorists`." margaret, Jews in the Warsaw ghetto did not murder German civilians in Berlin cafes and on buses, Palestinians, on the other hand do target and kill Israeli civilians. This is why we call them terrorists. Also, to make your example valid, Israel needs to kill ALL the Palestinians - men, women, children in Gaza, instead Israel minimized loss of life on Palestinian side.

There is still one unfinished business to complete and that is MESHAL.

You are sure of what it is,I am not and yet you call me Black and White.The reason I choose the defensive tact is that its the best choices for me in this situation. I dont know exactly what the arabs want so I take the worst case scenerio because taking anything but a conservative approach could be deadly.My view is show me.You know why? because we have the status quo and its lucky we do.I want a fair deal all the way around,I am not into this biblical history stuff but I dont trust.Maybe there are those that trust and they have bought into it but they dont quetsion either or if they do they rationalize. Find me some arabs that are willing to face their own fundamentalists and Ill show you many Jews if not most who are flexible.

All one has to do is read the Marxist and Communist trained propaganda oozing out of the P.L.O. to interpret their motives. This propaganda serves only to twist and propagate a false conflit for a false issue for a false people against the legitimate rights and freedoms of the democratic people of the State of Israel. You don't negotiate your Independence, you fight for it. These people, the Palestinian Arabs, have never been, nor are currently interested in peace with you.

What you call the ceasefire in Gaza means firing missiles into Israel. I can understand why Hamas would want to extend it but I can't see any reason why Israel would agree. Let the Iranian-stooge groups, Hamas and the others, do themselves a favour, release Shalit and observe the ceasefire agreement they signed for Gaza. Now that is what makes sense.

This is a 'tough stance?' We ask -- ask while making it clear she doesn't HAVE to comply -- Israel to make a few minor adjustments for the sake of progress towards peace while at the same time making it clear she'll still get her five billion a year in arms, her automatic veto at the UN, her rush arms deliveries when she gets a bit carried away slaughtering the neighbors, her cease-fires when she needs to get out of trouble. Boy, we're being tough. It's like with my son who robs liquor stores. Well, no more Mr Nice Guy: I proposed some guidelines. Nothing about how I might stop buying him ammunition for his assault rifle or anything. 'Just an idea son: maybe you could leave a store or two operating so the neighbors could buy milk and diapers and things...oh, you're upset by my words? Sorry I said anything...' Yessir: that's laying down the law. Real tough.

Where have all the postings gone? Long time passing Where have all the postings gone? Long time ago Where have all the postings gone? Slowman ate them every one When will he ever quit? When will he ever quit? Where have all the censors gone? Long time passing Where have all the censors gone? Long time ago Where have all the censors gone? Gone to party every one When will they ever work? When will they ever work?

the "rewards of man". However, a peacemaker cannot be a peacemaker by choosing sides. The American government has a very long way to go in understanding Israel's conflicts. And unless they begin to set a better example of their own "moral compass", they will never suceed in directing anyone toward peace. The American Government is no different than any other, in that they all stand in the same place. And that place is called In Need Of Prayer!!!

What makes this all a "farce" is not so much what Hamas says, but the fact that the USA is already back-tracking and hastening to say that nothing will be "imposed" on Israel.....Not even this minimum of permitting Pal movement within its own territory....

I will await responses to your succint, well written question to the naysayers. Always enjoy your posts. Keep blogging. Regards. Ballistic.

Dubya says that train can stall, derail, run out of diesel, lose one wheel, hit an overpass, destroy a stuck car on its track and lose its headlight, but it is gonna limp into the station. We will just have to wait to see. However, your glee that the train is stalled, according to your report, is not masked, not even an attempt at masking it, which MANY folks have noted. Nope, many Zionists don't want peace cause they don't wanna give up the land. That is understandable. Regards.

you got it all. No need to serve me up condescension. I have a better understanding of this mess than you. I read everything available and watch as much news on everything but FOX and read the internet to get different points of view from different people, incl relevant books. In fact, reading commentary and works of your prominent brethren, more intelligent than you, who lay out the case against what you are pushing here was very helpful. What is their motive to spin and lie? Well, of course, you, Kath, Danite and other assorted apologists dismiss them as "fringe". Well, you gotta love it. Say there are some pointed opposing posts on here, well written, have you responded to their irrefutable points. I'll go back and see and if you have not, I will send you the numbers to see how you spin what they said. Regards.

.....And Just As Clueless! And so are the rest of you out there who really think this is Bush's Policy. He could not find Iraq on a globe without help, much less Israel. Intellectual and Moral bankruptcy aren't conducive to forming a coherent foreign policy. His role, subservient to the Vice President, et al, is limited to repeating scripted phrases for an equally intellectual vacuum, Mid America, and not fully understanding the meaning or consequences . "Do As I Say, Not AS I Do", is as close to admitting hypocracy you can expect. Iraq is not what initiated the decline of US prestige; it happened in the election booth in Nov 1999!

You may not like it, Mark, but the US is stuck in the Middle East and will be back. This time, as in many other occasions, it is the US' own fault that its latest plan is rejected by everybody; it does not address the real situation. (take a look at my post #174.) The best thing would have been for the US to tell the Europeans: How about you coming up with a plan? Your understanding is so much better than ours. But for some reason Bush thinks he got some brain. My real amazement is triggered when I see academics, like Condi Rice in this case, not able to think something thru. Academics are supposed to be experts in thinking. What is wrong with Condi?

You gotta love these guys. Fatah would "accept" the terms 100% then fund terrorists to sabatoge. These guys say whats on their mind. But remember, they want you to fund them because they are the elected government. Who says we have to fund murders just because they are elected. Hitler was elected too.

where you get your news. It must be FOX as again you have put forth another patently false statement. I doubt those on the border would agree with you at all. Try watching Lou Dobbs, who is fixated on the # of Mexicans who are here and continue to come. Down 40%, yeah, right.

Say, once our beloved troops come home so we can stop hemorrhaging money and we stop BLIND support for Israel, you won't hear from most of the opponents of bad behavior by Israel. No point in our people dying and throwing good money after bad such that we can't take care of our own for a very failed ME policy. I don't live on this site as you and Kath do. Some days I post, sometimes I don't. I assume the blog exists for folks around the world to post. Perhaps you and yours should not have given the Germans an interest in Haaretz and kept it to a family affair where chronic victimhood could be discussed by like minds with no outside interference. So, what about it. After US is out, warmongers can float their own boat down that polluted river/sea they created, according to Haaretz, of course.

Dear Mr Clickfool. In response to your comments to the above person (which I do agree with you on); I was just wondering if you have ever been to, or lived in Israel as you seem to have some very strong opinions. I do think some of your comments are fair, but being a Brit we are exposed to news which is biased against Israel. This I believe was proven last week when the BBC refused to release a report on this very issue. Do let me know on your thoughts.... Thanks

What kind of crisis in Israel are you talking about? The economy is red hot - electronics, particularly computers and their chips are doing amazingly well and that includes advances in invention. Medicalresearch is doing well along with its export arms industry.If you think that Israel is not interested in peace, you ought to do some reading in the subject. Have you ever heard of the 3 no's, as an example of the Arabs' refusal to deal with peace in the ME? After the Israeli victory in the 1967 war,the Arab belligerents got together and agreed on the 3 no's: No peace with Israel. No recognition of Israel. No negotiation with Israel. Google the three no.s.Have a great weekend.

I cut and pasted parts of the Paletinian Media Watch report, and there are question marks replacing the apostrophe after Allah's name every time the word is mentioned. Very weird.

Howdy Jim; The U.S. cannot "demand" that Israel allow bus services between the West Bank and the Gaza Strip across 40 Km. of her sovereign territory under the threat of suspending military aid because the demand is coming from the State Dept. (executive branch) and the military aid is coming from Congress (legislative branch). It would be political suicide for any Congressman to vote against continuing military aid to Israel to the tune of $2.4 billion/yr. especially when she is an important ally in the War On Terrorism and Congress is not subject to orders from the U.S. Department of State. You said, "The Palestinians are here to stay!" That's fine with me just as long as they stay on their side of the security barriers and never set foot on Israeli sovereign territory ever again.

Would the US allow the revoutionary guards of Iran to bus from Iran to Jordan or would Saudi Arabia allow the Rev gauards of Iran to bus through their territory to Yemen?

They prevent Pali's from hurting themselves and innocent Israeli's.. I would really hate to see a Pali bus blow up because a homicide bomber was on board who pushed the detonator button at the wrong moment. Checkpoints check passengers to make certain they can't do damage.

You only have to go back in time to March 1920, when Arabs attacked Jewish settlement at Tel Hai. Advance to 1929 & 1936, when Arabs attacked Hebron's jews, killing many, raping the women, forcing the survivors to flee for their lives. Now all you have to do is Google "Wikipedia's "TIMELINES OF ARAB-ISRAEL CONFLICT" and realize who started the first war in 1948. Go ahead, stop spouting off, educate yourself instead...........Beginning-1948 Jewish immigration into the Land of Israel/Palestine under the Ottoman rule and later under British mandate increased tensions between the Jewish population and the Arab population in the region.[5] By the end of World War II, the conflict became a major international issue. The United Nations, the United States, and the Soviet Union were determined to initiate a two-state solution. The UN mandated partition was put into effect in 1948, but was rejected by the Palestinians and many Arab states.[6] Israel declared its independence on May 14, 1948. Almost immediately, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Transjordan, and Iraq declared war on the nascent nation. By the conclusion of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, Israel had greatly expanded its borders, and signed ceasefire agreements with all its Arab neighbors.[7] [edit] 1949-June 11, 1967 In 1949, Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping, and blockaded the Gulf of Aqaba, in contradiction to the terms of the Constantinople Convention of 1888. Many argued that this action also constituted a violation of the Rhodes armistice agreement.[8][9] On July 26, 1956, Egypt nationalized the Suez Canal Company, and closed the canal to Israeli shipping.[10] Israel responded on October 29, 1956, by invading the Sinai Peninsula with British and French support. During the Suez Canal Crisis, Israel captured the Gaza Strip and Sinai Peninsula. The United States and the United Nations soon pressured it into a ceasefire,[10][11] which secured open shipping in the region, complete Israeli withdrawal from Egyptian territory, and the total demilitarization of the Sinai. The United Nations Emergency Force (UNEF) was deployed to oversee said demilitarization.[12] On May 19, 1967, Egypt expelled UNEF observers,[13] and deployed 100,000 soldiers in the Sinai Peninsula.[14] It then closed the straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping,[15][16] catapulting the region back to the pre-1956 status quo. On May 30, 1967, Jordan entered into the mutual defense pact between Egypt and Syria. President Nasser declared: "Our basic objective is the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight."[17] In response, on June 5 Israel sent almost all of its planes on a preemptive mission in Egypt. The Israeli Air Force (AIF) destroyed most of the surprised Egyptian Air Force, then turned east to pulverize the Jordanian, Syrian and Iraqi air forces.[18] This strike was the crucial element in Israel's victory in the Six-Day War.[14][16] [edit] June 12, 1967-1973 In the summer of 1967, Arab leaders met in Khartoum in response to the war, to discuss the Arab position toward Israel. They reached consensus that there should be: No recognition of the State of Israel. No peace with Israel. No negotiations with Israel.[19] In 1969, Egypt initiated the War of Attrition, with the goal of exhausting Israel into surrendering the Sinai Peninsula.[20] The war ended following Nasser's death in 1970. On October 6, 1973, Syria and Egypt attacked Israel on Yom Kippur, overwhelming the surprised Israeli military.[21][22] The Yom Kippur War accommodated indirect confrontation between the US and the Soviet Union. When Israel had turned the tide of war, the USSR threatened military intervention. The United States, wary of nuclear war, secured a ceasefire on October 25.[21][22]

The Palis are here to stay for sure. But whether or not there leaders(?) allow the poor people to stop being perpetual pawns of the Arab leaders of other countries. As long as they have the common enemy of Israel then no threats to their rule will occur. If you look hard, you will realize that Israel would make peace in a heart-beat if only the terror groups would be satisfied not to destroy the country. Look what they are doing to all the other non-Muslim countries that they border.

Google Wikipedia's "TIMELINES OF ARAB-ISRAEL CONFLICT", you might just learn who started the mess Arabs inflicted upon themselves. Here's part, google and read the rest....Beginning-1948 Jewish immigration into the Land of Israel/Palestine under the Ottoman rule and later under British mandate increased tensions between the Jewish population and the Arab population in the region.[5] By the end of World War II, the conflict became a major international issue. The United Nations, the United States, and the Soviet Union were determined to initiate a two-state solution. The UN mandated partition was put into effect in 1948, but was rejected by the Palestinians and many Arab states.[6] Israel declared its independence on May 14, 1948. Almost immediately, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Transjordan, and Iraq declared war on the nascent nation. By the conclusion of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, Israel had greatly expanded its borders, and signed ceasefire agreements with all its Arab neighbors.[7] [edit] 1949-June 11, 1967 In 1949, Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping, and blockaded the Gulf of Aqaba, in contradiction to the terms of the Constantinople Convention of 1888. Many argued that this action also constituted a violation of the Rhodes armistice agreement.[8][9] On July 26, 1956, Egypt nationalized the Suez Canal Company, and closed the canal to Israeli shipping.[10] Israel responded on October 29, 1956, by invading the Sinai Peninsula with British and French support. During the Suez Canal Crisis, Israel captured the Gaza Strip and Sinai Peninsula. The United States and the United Nations soon pressured it into a ceasefire,[10][11] which secured open shipping in the region, complete Israeli withdrawal from Egyptian territory, and the total demilitarization of the Sinai. The United Nations Emergency Force (UNEF) was deployed to oversee said demilitarization.[12] On May 19, 1967, Egypt expelled UNEF observers,[13] and deployed 100,000 soldiers in the Sinai Peninsula.[14] It then closed the straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping,[15][16] catapulting the region back to the pre-1956 status quo. On May 30, 1967, Jordan entered into the mutual defense pact between Egypt and Syria. President Nasser declared: "Our basic objective is the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight."[17] In response, on June 5 Israel sent almost all of its planes on a preemptive mission in Egypt. The Israeli Air Force (AIF) destroyed most of the surprised Egyptian Air Force, then turned east to pulverize the Jordanian, Syrian and Iraqi air forces.[18] This strike was the crucial element in Israel's victory in the Six-Day War.[14][16] [edit] June 12, 1967-1973 In the summer of 1967, Arab leaders met in Khartoum in response to the war, to discuss the Arab position toward Israel. They reached consensus that there should be: No recognition of the State of Israel. No peace with Israel. No negotiations with Israel.[19] In 1969, Egypt initiated the War of Attrition, with the goal of exhausting Israel into surrendering the Sinai Peninsula.[20] The war ended following Nasser's death in 1970. On October 6, 1973, Syria and Egypt attacked Israel on Yom Kippur, overwhelming the surprised Israeli military.[21][22] The Yom Kippur War accommodated indirect confrontation between the US and the Soviet Union. When Israel had turned the tide of war, the USSR threatened military intervention. The United States, wary of nuclear war, secured a ceasefire on October 25.[21][22]

Hello Dana, I am anxious to know what your criteria, and conclusions, are. Did not see the police profile. Perhaps you can update and republish. I assumed you were going through some statistical analysis, for which you will need to select some choice expressions. Would really be interesting to see. Tosefta

The first sentence says it all.It also shows the mentality behind the knee jerk attacks on Israel no matter what the Arabs say or do. WHICH PART OF THE FOLLOWING CAN'T ISRAEL BASHERS UNDERSTAND ""The American plan is rejected and we will work to make it fail by any means and by all means," said Fawzi Baroum, a Hamas spokesman in Gaza, echoing comments by Hamas' political leader Khaled Meshal. The militant group Popular Resistance Committees also rejected the document. "The U.S. plan does not serve our people's interests," said PRC spokesman Abu Abeer on Saturday, vowing that "the [PRC] will work to make it fail."

Last time I took a count, Ballistic had consumed over 50 letters in a thread. She's improved,, of the 463 letters in this thread, only 31 were her repetetive hatred. Have a another sip of Jonestown Koolaid with hemlock, it appears to be working.

"In revenge for the killed militants, their terror organizations fire rockets from Gaza. Why from Gaza? Because that`s were they have some freedom of action" - Tosefta "And in return for the rockets being fired from Gaza because Israel cannot make roadblocks in Gaza they make them in the West Bank. Now you might call on the chicken and the egg to decide who started the situation" - Ronnie W. Ronnie, better start reading the papers and pay attention to DETAILS. The Roadblocks in WB have nothing to do with Gaza. There is real danger from the West Bank, with weapons and Suicide bombers. Roadblocks are not punishment. (Never mind that such is forbidden by Geneva Convention.) There is no point in discussing the matter based on fantasies. It is either Humpty or me.

Howdy Tosefta; In the first place, a checkpoint is not a roadblock. I'm sure that you can figure out the difference. 99% of the time, a Palestinian in Jenin can travel to Hebron, say, if he/she is willing to be searched for contraband several times, but he/she is not prohibited from doing so. I don't why the U.S. State Dept. managed to get this one so screwed up. First, it was a list of demands with a rigid timetable that both sides were supposed to meet. Then, the Israeli PMO expressed reservations about some of it due to genuine security concerns. Then, a senior State Dept. official backpedals and says that the proposal is not to be imposed on anybody and that the timetable was only "suggestive". Finally, Hamas and the PRC reject the proposal in its entirety. This new U.S. plan is DOA and I can't believe how naive and half-assed it was to begin with. What's the matter with the U.S. State Dept.? This entire initiative seems to have been concoted by a bunch of headless chicken

Help them set up an economy? This didn't seem to work in 1947 when the British proposed a joint Jewish-Arab economic structure between 2 sovereign states. It was vehemently opposed with acts of war and aggression against Jews. Perhaps if the Pals and other A-rabs didn't hate Jews so much they might be sharing in their economic prosperity right now. BTW, where is the economic aid coming from the oil rich Arab states? Oh yea, it only goes to fund more terror in the Holy Land....

It's clear you haven't read it. And I notice that you are still shouting yourself hoarse.Keep it down,will you ?

The Arabs committed to stopping violence in the Oslo Accords; for the Israeli government to give up something else in exchange for what they already paid for is beyond stupid and it is why Jews are still at risk and why Israel still does not have peace. The Israeli goverments are constantly negotiating with themselves...no wonder they never get the deal they want. The motivational speaker Zig Ziglar tells us it is OK to talk to yourself, and it is OK to ask yourself questions and it is OK to answer those questions, but when you find yourself saying Huuuhhh??? to the answers you give yourself to your own questions, then you are in trouble; and this is exactly where we find the government of Israel.

Storm clouds are welcome. Israel is a dry climate. In the event of a sudden downpour, we have our Mushroom Cloud shaped umbrella, which will cover a wide area. Sit back, sip your Koolaid with hemlock. the drink is very relaxing. If you prefix your reply with one of your sub-idiotic "Hey", it will be left unopen and unread.

New Mexico & Australia are twins when it comes to Jew haters. Must be something in the air that causes such bitterness. Notice they're expressing their hate from a safe distance, too cowardly to go where the action is. Guess they're afraid to stand in front of a bulldozer to defend those they claim to love so much.

Just to make sure that there is no misunderstan- ding Ronnie, with "bye, bye Mr. Nice Guy" I didn't mean you (although you surely would deserve that attribute...). I had of course the Wayne Gretzky kind of politicians in mind.... And nothing said against Wayne Gretzky with that, he truly was a great sportsman. But I am afraid he couldn't be a successful envoy for the ME....

Just a reminder. Anytime you prefix a message to me with "Hey", it get's tossed, I don't bother to open it or read it's contents. Now you can sit back and enjoy another cup of the Jonestown Koolaid, with a touch of hemlock.

You make a valid point. Most ordinary folk in the UK at any rate, always saw the Soviet Union as the greater evil, even whilst disagreeing with much US policy. The trouble with some of the 'flaky' left,(as you correctly call them)is they espouse the idea of 'moral relativism' whereby all the gross excesses and evil intent of the third world or anti-Western despots is excused under the cloak of 'western induced poverty and colonialism', whilst all attempts at exercising American influence is derided and condemned without thought.It has always been fashionable amongst the intellectual hard left to plough this furrow. It never quite catches on though. ie: the man on the street doesn't buy the crap they peddle. After 9/11 we were all Americans.Still are,by and large.

Could you do me a favour dana? Please look at the mairovich thread and maybe you could walk tosefta through the quiz in my post "can someone help tosefta.I really dont know what to do with him.I prove him wrong yet he repeats over and over again the same faulty assertions as if repetition itself proves their veracity.You seem to be one of the few that can penetrate his self serving and mendacious obscurantism designed to justify his self hatred with the anti semitism of others, even though he cant even ascribe the correct anti semitic charge to the correct anti semite.For example he says hitler was motivated by the supposed jewish sense of superiority and seperatness yet Hitler claims it was the degree of jewish assimilation that disturbed him.Anyway maybe you can help here, i am at a loss, he seems to be beyond the reach of reason, thanks alot!! Regards

#440: Your attitude is that of fool who doesn't know he's one.Let's take the issue of aid to Israel.That is the biggest bargain around. No GIs have been killed fighting Israel's wars of survival.That saves a bundle of lives and truck loads of cash. Besides Israel has had some very practical experience with USSR/Russian equipment and advanced US military systems as well as their own.This has saved the US billions in re-engineering and R&D costs.In addition, Israeli intel and security have provided major savings. So don't be so cute in your lack of knowledge about the ME. Ignorance can be cured by knowledge. Have a wonderful weekend.

ANY COMMENTS ISRAEL BASHERS"CLAIMING TO BE PEACEMAKERS"???

mystery, but I beg to differ.Chile: direct U.S. involvement in the overthrow of Allende.U.S. 's crimes in its former backyard are legion.No space to go into that.The fine distinction between neo con policies and old guard A.imperialism is interesting but in the larger scheme of things not useful.Neo con is just Israel added into the mix,the Israeli connection with colonialism goes back to the old imperialist Britain. Dana, so the mystery is cleared at least as far the present post is concerned but not the first two which T.himself said were not his.But keep up the good work Sherlock ! Ben Alof, my first intro. to you.Thanks for the kind words.Look forward to reading more of your fine posts and your work.Yes,YS.put it succintly.The problem is the Occupation.Everything else is smoke and mirrors.Re: Dana he is also our resident philsopher(possibly of science). Did ask him whether you could connect Godel's proof to the controversy between Hegelian pan logism and Derrida's andL's infinity.

"Pay the heavy price now, live free or die." Do you address that line to Israel or to Palestine? I have news for you: the Palestinians are here to stay! All the king's horses and all the king's men will not end this crisis for Israel. She will either waste herself making war forever, or wise up and take the road toward peace.

Cipora, I think the correct saying in Switzerland is: "Some women have a heart of gold, some have a heart of stone, and some have no heart at all...". To be honest, a heart of gold I could neither find in your, nor in Kaths posts concerning that subject.... As much as I tried....

It's absolutely amazing to me that anyone in his right mind would find it unreasonable for a people to resist a brutal occupation. Why would Israel and the USA expect the Palestinians to just roll over and accept an apartheid state where their every move was governed by an occupying force that is determinded to take every square inch of Palestinian territory even if it means killing every last Palestinian? When Americans resisted British rule and when a few Jews resisted in the Warsaw Ghetto they were hailed as heroes for all time, but when the Palestinians resist occupation they are automatically assigned the name 'terrorists'.

But Joe, You miss the point! Just think of all those $$$ that go from the American taxpayer's pocket into the coffers of the arms manufacturers! And when all is said and done America does love her economy - especially the Republicans! Right? Right!

Israel and Palestine have told the United States to get lost. They are unanimous and I suggest Uncle Sam take his money and go home.

I think Abbas would be willing for a realistic compromise as are many palestinians.If israel would only stop is pathetic and futile rear guard action for the relics of the failed and deluded greater israel policy and cut a deal with Abbas on the basis of taba geneva, abbas with the support of the arab league could force hamas to disarm.it is not as black and white as you suggest.Regards

The United States can demand that Israel allow bus services between Gaza and the West Bank simply because the US supplies the IDF with all that hardware that makes land-grabbing and settler-infiltration a success. Get the chip off your shoulder, Cipora, and wise up. The Palestinians are here to stay!

Ben Alofs loves the reasoned argumentation of lakshmi he says, lakshmi who went into hysterics because tosefta dared to suggest that the US fought the evil of the soviet union, the only reason? Tosefta now must be a fake poster!!! it never ceases to amaze me to see the serial and systematic nature of the denial you of the flake left go into at the drop of a hat.it is as if it is a learned and automatic response.As long as the ideology suits you and your agendas,a mule taliking out of his a.s would be King Genius amoungst you.

Tosefta: 'In revenge for the killed militants, their terror organizations fire rockets from Gaza. Why from Gaza? Because that`s were they have some freedom of action' And in return for the rockets being fired from Gaza because Israel cannot make roadblocks in Gaza they make them in the West Bank. Now you might call on the chicken and the egg to decide who started the situation and you would be right about Israeli manipulation and instigation but pre that is something called intent and that intent is of the arab groups who are sworn to destroy Israel,its in their maps,badges and charter.THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE.

IN ADDITION TOO SUPPLYING AL QAEDA AND HEZBOLLAH WITH WEAPONS...

looks like your "peace train" has stalled in Damascus, again. More brilliant Pal diplomacy by Meshal.

There is only an indirect connection between roadblocks in the West Bank and rockets from Gaza. Israel wants to secure the West Bank. For this reason it carries out military operations there and sets up Roadblocks to prevent arms transfer from place to place. The result of the military operations is that Palestinian militants as well as civilians get killed. In revenge for the killed militants, their terror organizations fire rockets from Gaza. Why from Gaza? Because that's were they have some freedom of action. In recently, to avenge the many civilians killed, Hamas started firing too. You would think that one should first take care of the DIRECT reason for the Qassams: Extend the cease-fire to the West Bank (as I pointed out in #174). But the US is not clever to this extent. Dumbya is still Dumbya, and we haven't heard of him undergoing a brain transplant operation. It should have been expected that Hamas will reject the US proposal. How does it address their concerns? What should be done is to start with a cease fire in the West Bank, as I outline in #272. Maybe Condi will get it by the next time she comes to visit.

And you? What brilliance have you come up with? Your comprehension is sorely lacking. You really should speak less and listen and read much more. I bet you only read headlines in the TIMES and watch MSNBC. Since you get cable, try watching some BBCA or CNN. Then read the Persian Journal, Arab News, JPost, Guardian, Herald-Sun, and a myriad of other news available online.

1, Abbas do as he said he would do after the elections; disarm the militias(he failed). 2. The informal ceasfire by the terror groups from Gaza violated over and over..... 3. The use of the agreement by Israel that ceded a border(Rafah) with Egtpt to Pa control has been violated with the connivance of the EU. 4. Did I mention the failure of the PA unity givt to recognize Israel....what is the basis of an agreement and with whos name in the BUSH administration is this latest travesty of Rice being forwarded by......

See the contest coming up. Then we'll talk. BTW - did you see my police profile of the suspect the other day? perhaps if we add your criteria to mine, we'll have something. Perhaps I'll post again the final version. Am down to 2 candidates + one runner up.

Ronnie, if your analysis is correct ( and I think it is extremly correct...), then the decision makers in the International community should rather start to use the iron fist, both to the Arabs and Israel. If we wanna take Ice Hockey (you see I am trying to deceive my faker-buddy; I just hope he doesn't hate hockey either...) we would rather need a Mario Lemieux or a Ken Baumgartner now than a Wayne Gretzky. No more sweet talking needed, bye-bye Mr. Nice Guy....

Yes, we are all fed up.

Like anything anyone says on this talkback will change the world? Yes, I do support Israel, just like you support jihadists.

Good nose, Dana. Post #400 was written by me, of course. And that Lakshmi post was by the real one too. In the US she would have been known as a true blue liberal. I mentioned the Gandhi approach a long time ago. Nothing new here. Too bad the Pals didn't use it, because it would have been effective. But Islamic culture is what it is, and Israel needs to deal with what it confronts.