Hamas calls for new attacks after IDF soldiers kill nine in 24 hours

"The Saudis put up a framework for negotiations." I pointed out, on another talkback, all the "frameworks" from which the Arabs ran, from UNR181 to the RM, and asked why they couldn't live up to those. He ran. I pointed out that the Arabs demand Israel accept the AI, rather than it being an opening in negotiations, giving him a url quoting Arab League officials. He ran. Now he's trying to repost the same lies in response to Ben Jabo. He ignores that the Arabs claim Israel must accept the initiative, says it's a trap that Olmert says we should all sit down and talk without preconditions and continues to claim Israel's the one demanding preconditions. He's an unrepetent antisemite who does a great service to Israel to show just how strong his beliefs must be to keep making such open lies.

"I didn`t drop it, I simply don`t agree." I disagree and prove you're wrong by logic and fact. You run away and claim that's ok if you disagree. Can't refute so avoid. Typical. "And I have to need to offer an apology to the like of you." That sentence is another example that you can't be from Illinois and aren't a native English speaker. That you won't apologize for being wrong shows your intransigence. "terrorists", they proudly admit to targeting civilians and proudly admit that Israel mainly kills their "martyrs" that are in terror organizations. that you won't see the difference is more proof. "Do people have the right to defend themselves and their land?" Of course, and we'll keep defending our land from you for however long it takes. "They even have the right to fight to recover it after losing it." Which Israel's done. Thanx for backing us. "Their not 'resisting' Israel`s existence", contradicts the Hamas, Fatah, PLO, Islamic Jihad, Hizubullah's own statements. Quit lying.

fine, it's a great rat or erratic person catcher.

All the groups you mentioned were long AFTER the Mandate. Wiki refers to legitimate armies, not partisan's. with the exception of "Palestinian Irregulars".. Land in question that Arabs are hollering about, let them go to the Arab countries that the jews were expelled them or take their share from Jordan, which was orginally the Trnss Jordan that the british swiped.. Population in '48 Palestine and the Jews in Arab countries were virtually even.

I notice it didn't mention any of the Zionist terror groups such as Stern Gang, Irgun, Gush Emunim, JDL, Kach, or Kahane Chai in the wiki entry for arab-israeli conflict. Just a simple oversight, I'm sure. There were plenty of references elsewhere. Bottom line: Israel will never survive for long after U.S. cash cow goes dry. A real solution would be for the U.S. to take some portion of it's unused land (we've definitely got more unpopulated land than all of Israel), partition it as an independent country, and let them have it. Presto, no more hostile neighbors, no more people clamoring to get their homes back, no need for all that money going to the arms makers - what a waste - and still have a "Jewish homeland". I'll bet it would be a lot cheaper, easier and a enormously less risky. As for the ad hominem arguments, an intelligent person would know that that is a tactic used when the facts won't work.

I'd get some new software. But I have used the screen name LibertyRising :) I take it you didn't care for Ballistic's views either. So he/she is probably pretty much on target.

Writing pattern's are similar to fingerprints, not quite a foolproof but close enough. Ballistic has disappeared, now we have ADVOCATE replacing the irrational BALLISTIC. Knowing that if you would write enough you'd give yourself away. I have the software to check it out.

That wasn't a red herring, simply pointing out that if you're not an American Indian you don't the right to tell anyone born in the U.S. or naturalized to get out. You know, you really need a bit of education, your ignorance is profound. I gave you a link, WIKIPEDIA'S "ISRAEL-ARAB CONFLICT" try reading and learning, your ignorance is profound. When you're able to hold an intelligent conversation, then write back.

to give away anything. They took it upon themselves, it was a payoff to Emir Abdullah, read on............ King Abdullah 1 Arabic: cabdu llahi bni hussayn (1882-1951) Emir of Transjordan 1921-1946; king of Jordan 1946-1951. Abdullah was a leader of the old school, great at securing power and taking control over territories. Both his claim on Jordan and later on the West Bank, resulted in internationally recognized solutions. He never managed, however, to achieve his ultimate goal: The formation of Greater Syria comprising Jordan, Syria and Iraq under a Hashemite dynasty On internal matters, he did little to advance modern state structures. But he was a moderate politician, and positive to forming close ties with Western countries. BIOGRAPHY 1882: Born in Mecca, as son of Sharif Husayn ibn Ali, the ruler of Hijaz. 1908: Abdullah's father is released from house arrest in Istanbul. 1912: Abdullah becomes the representative for Hijaz in the Ottoman parliament. 1916 July: Joins his father in the revolt against the Ottoman supremacy. 1917: When his father declares himself King of Hijaz, Abdullah becomes his Foreign Minister. 1921 January: Abdullah's forces enters the eastern part of the British Middle Eastern mandate, and sets up a government ruling from Amman. ? July: The British offers recognition of Abdullah's regime if he accepts British supremacy. He accepted after demanding that there would be no Jewish immigration into his area. 1923 May 25: Abdullah declares Transjordan independent. 1928 April: Proclaims a constitution, giving all power to the king who would act through a legislative council. 1946 May: The British mandate of Transjordan ends, and the independent state called the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan is formed with Abdullah as king. 1948 May: Abdullah becomes the commander-in-chief of hte united Arab forces attacking the newly formed state of Israel. Abdullah's army soon takes control over some parts of Palestine, corresponding to the are now known in full as West Bank. 1950: Abdullah enters into a non-aggression pact with Israel after clandestine meetings. ? April: He officially annexes the West Bank as part of Jordan. 1951 July 20: Abdullah is shot dead by a Palestinian in East Jerusalem, as a retaliation for his policy of not aiding the Palestinians in a total war against Israel. He is succeeded by his mentally sick son, Talal. © Copyright 1996-2007 LexicOrient. All rights reserved By: Tore Kjeilen

I didn't drop it, I simply don't agree. And I have to need to offer an apology to the like of you. And the quotes were meant to emphasize that there is no difference between their "terrorists" and yours, except for the fact that yours have much more effective and deadly weapons. Do people have the right to defend themselves and their land? Absolutely. They even have the right to fight to recover it after losing it. Their not "resisting" Israel's existence: they're "resisting" being forced off their land and penned like animals and killed at the whim of the IDF.

Nice try with the American Indian red herring. While some really nasty stuff did occur, much settlement also occurred peacefully, through trade. Are the people who occupied what the Brits so blithely gave away willing to let people return to the homes they were driven from or fled to save their lives? Will they give them the same consideration that Native Americans have in the United States - full citizenship rights?

...for bringing up an excellent point. "England gave away..." What exactly did the Brits give? More importantly, what gives you the idea that they had the right to "give away" someone else's property? "The government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul." George Bernard Shaw

Gee, dropped the argument about "reserves" quickly, and w/o apology. Of course, antisemites think they're never wrong, or at least can't admit it; otherwise they can't cling to their fantasies. "using tanks and missiles in residential areas", w/o, of course, saying if Israel has any right to defend itself or how we can do it. OF course, also ignoring that the terrorists use the "residential areas" as shields and the GC say that doesn't protect them from response. "terrorist", by putting terrorist in quotes, you've just done what you claim you're not doing, justifying "bombing restaurants, etc." You can't even be internally consistent. "resistance" shows the same thing, since they officially state they're resisting Israel's existence. "semitic people", always the excuse of the antisemite. How much dog is in your "hot dog"? "Fratricide", it's so much better that you in Illinois slaughtered the aboriginal Americans, some of which gave your State your name? Sad.

were in effect years before the Nazi's perpetrated the Holocaust. Palestine was intended to be the Jewish National Homeland, so it was written and so it should have been done, it wasn't. England gave away two thirds of the Land to the Hashemite Emir Abdullah as a bribe for not engaging in activity against Britain and it's interests. I recommended a site for your edification, you really ought to lear what it's all about. Just wondering, what is your Native American Indian name? If you don't have one, then go back to where your ancestors came from. It's called practicing what you preach.

The "muddle" to which you so glibly refer is in large part due to the same imperialistic tendencies pursued by (fill in the blank): the desire to profit at another's expense. Iraq - Britain's attempt at nation-building to secure oil profits. Israel - the desire of European countries to compensate Jews: good idea, why didn't they give them German land? U.S. gunboat diplomacy to satisfy the thirst for profits of the mercantile class. Civil War - maintain Yankee advantage in trade and tariffs. If we were to heed the advice of Washington and remain free from "entangling alliances" and refrain from trying to expropriate the natural resources of other people, a whole lot fewer people would be pissed at this country and wanting to drive planes into our buildings. The U.S. government's support for Israel is the main reason for the animosity of almost everyone in the Muslim world - and many non-Muslims as well.

You're not too observant or haven't gone back far enough. I've mentioned my US service a few times. If you'll Google, you'll probably find it. Your country? Then are you saying that you're an American Native Indian? If that's not the case, I've as much right to be here as you have. I've lived in Israel & the U.S., both are countries that I love. I have the same affection for Israel, as the Irish, Italians, Germans, English, Scots and whatever other nationality has for their ethnic homes. Without Israeli support of America in the M.E., you would have the same muddle throughout the area that you have in Iraq & Iran. Arabs control the oil and your thirty tongue hangs out of your mouth eagerly awaiting their largesse. Haven't you noticed that gas is now above $3. and rocketing towards $4. Sky's the limit. If the U.S. stop selling weapons to Israel and other countries the economy will plunge. They're probably the most profitable export.

Marine Corp, actually, almost 30 years ago. Hey, what can I say - young and stupid. But in the 22 posts on this thread, I didn't notice a single self-reference, other than you're in the U.S. And I DID notice you sidestepped my original question: Why are you still in my country? You love Israel so much, there are flights daily. And are you registered as a foreign agent as required by law? Basically, my solution would simply be to stop supporting you. You folks do what you want, just do it without our money and guns.

Of course I must assume that you're full of bull. I've already done my U.S. Service, Combat Engineers, Regular Army, which is probably a lot more than you can say. If you've read as many of my posts as you claim, you would have known that. I also served in the IDF, this proves that your claim of reading my posts is a double load of crap on your part. I just love you psuedo experts who hop on the bandwagon, giving opninions of matters which you know absolutely nothing about.

No, I don't justify bombing restaurants, etc. no more than I condone using tanks and missiles in residential areas just because it might catch a "terrorist", which you seem to have no problem with. But, you basically fight with what you've got. I'm sure that the resistance would be more than happy to trade in their suicide belts for Abrams and Apaches, but that's not likely with AIPAC running Congress, now is it? And, like it or not, the "Palestinian" are a semitic people, also. Fratricide is as old as Cain and Able, isn't it?

Oooh, I'm all a'quiver. You've cut me to the quick. BTW, why are you still in my country? Shouldn't you be over there helping to protect YOUR country? After reading many of your posts here, I am encouraged by the tolerance of civil rights in America...we even grant internet privileges to psych ward patients, glad to see you making the most of it.

"Reserves" means just that. Thye're not on active duty or under arms while on reserve status. They're peacefully attempting to go about their civilian jobs.

You don't understand the concept of "reserves", do you? Reserves are civilians while not on active duty, just as in the US. However, as Israel's a tiny country surrounded by an Arab League that declared war 60 years ago, we have a lot more folks doing reserve duty because we have to. And, oh, btw, it doesn't cover the "entire population." Lets see, children, Arabs, most women, most men over ~45 (and they're about to lower that to 40), and many people who just avoid the system don't serve. These days, http://www.azure.org.il/magazine/magazine.asp?id=11 points to stats showing that only 60% of eligible Israelis do their mandatory service and 12% (of "eligible", not "all") do reserve. More importantly, the fact that you justify the bombings of restaurants and busses because they might catch a soldier, and equate that to directly attacking combatants, shows you're an antisemite.

Of those 70%, how many are in the reserves? They're not civilians, they're just soldiers in between deployments. That covers pretty much your whole population, doesn't it?

Statistics show that 70% of Israeli casualties are civilian while 40% of Palestinian are. Who's targeting whom is very clear.

Before he made the bombs, he underwent weapons training, first course was in kindergarten. By the time he reached age 12 he was a fully trained terrorist waiting to go into action. Now he's received his just due, he hopes they won't screw him out of the 72 virgins he was striving for. An MD should check the girls, check out their alleged chastity, they may have been raped by their father, brother, uncle or male relatives, not to mention casual male friends.

Before he made the bombs, he underwent weapons training, first course was in kindergarten. By the time he reached age 12 he was a fully trained terrorist waiting to go into action. Now he's received his just due, he hopes they won't screw him out of the 72 virgins he was striving for. An MD should check the girls, check out their alleged chastity, they may have been raped by their father, brother, uncle or male relatives, not to mention casual male friends.

Propaganda YES!. Rather odd that you didn't mention Israeli children, babies, sick people and soldiers. Your state shouldn't be "World", just change it to "out of touch with reality".

they made a mistake he was 23 and he started making bomb at the age of 20 http://imeu.net/news/news-and-analysis.shtml

Palestinian children, babies, sick people etc no propaganda.

count. Have you tallied up how many rockets have been fired from Gaza into Israel prior to the IDF retaliating??

Quite as odd as you are, neglecting the Saudi Pre-conditions for talks. I don't care how many other states had their borders changed. Iraq & Syria didn't exist as they presently are prior to the Mandates.

I think that Israel is not really interrested in peace with the Palestinians. To escalate consciously the killing of Palestinians last weekend is a political decision.

BJ: "look at a 1918 map of Palestine, prior to the British Mandate, you will find that the so-called Pali`s are sitting on land that was stolen from biblical Palestine and given to the Hashemite" BEN jumps from 1918 back to biblical times then jumps back to 1922. Care to name all the OTHER states that existed between biblical Israel and the 1922 Mandate? Why not claim that the British stole the land from THEM too? BJ: "was given by England, without consent," Consent from whom? Britain had a mandate that allowed it to ready the Mandate people for statehood in any manner that was consistent with Article 22 of the LoN Covenant. It told the LoN its plans for Transjordan, they said "OK", and that's all the "consent" needed. BJ: "the UN partioned the remainder" It recommended partition with 181. BJ: ""Winners keepers, Losers weepers" I'll see that saying, and raise him a law: "the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war" It's a trump card, BEN

If you'll take a look at a 1918 map of Palestine, prior to the British Mandate, you will find that the so-called Pali's are sitting on land that was stolen from biblical Palestine and given to the Hashemite, Abdullah. It was a payoff for restraining himself from attacking the British. That portion of land that's East of the Jordan was given by England, without consent, to Abdullah I. In subsequent years, the UN partioned the remainder of the Mandate into two segments, Israel & Palestine II. Israel was willing to go along, Arabs refused to and attacked, hoping to steal the Jewish portion and throw the Jews into the sea.. Losing that war & all subsequent wars (Thank G-d). War is really simple to understand, you win some and lose some. "Winners keepers, Losers weepers". If you've read today's papers, Pali's don't get along with anyone, including each other. Arab Family feud (one of many) child was killed.

Your link says exactly what I said in post #130 The Saudis put up a framework for negotiations, and posed the question to Olmert. And in reply, Olmert wants to have a gabfest about wether or not to even *have* negotiations: "Olmert has called for a summit with the Saudis in order to discuss the peace process" While the Saudis are not going to fall for THAT: "A Saudi source told The Associated Press that Israel must accept the proposal "before any meeting is considered." " I'll try one more time - there are no preconditions; The Saudis have put up their plan, they have explained their position, and they have posed a simple question to Israel: KNOWING ALL THAT, do you agree to talk? One answer would be YES. Another would be NO. And Olmert's answer? Let's have a summit to discuss wether or not we will have talks i.e. we want to bog you down in meaningless twaddle so we NEVER get to the real talks. Nobody "negotiates" like that, BEN, not if they are serious.

You're incapable of doing so. You simply don't understand what's being said. All you're good for it generating attractive headlines. Just like a girl wearing falsies, all frontage, no substance. Here's what the Saudi's ACTUALLY said.... Bookmark to del.icio.us Digg It! new Arab League Secretary General Amr Moussa, right, speaking with Iraqi President Jalal Talabani during the Arab summit in Riyadh on Thursday. (AP) Last update - 01:15 05/04/2007 Saudi source: No talks before Israel accepts Arab peace plan By Yoav Stern, Haaretz Correspondent, and The Associated Press Saudi Arabia said Tuesday that Israel must first accept the Arab peace initiative before it would agree to any direct talks with Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. Olmert has called for a summit with the Saudis in order to discuss the peace process, following an Arab League decision to re-launch a 2002 peace initiative that calls for an Israeli withdrawal to the pre-1967 boundaries and a just and agreed solution to the refugee problem. A Saudi source told The Associated Press that Israel must accept the proposal "before any meeting is considered."

Post your "Timelines" again.

very good analysis, Mr. Reddy. But sadly, looks like this conflict will only be resolved by brute force. No amount of talking will do any good.

Everyone has an opinion on who is at fault but the only TRUTH is that it is Palestinian's are being killed on Palistinian land, even in their own homes, how can anyone defend this

when a country is occupied shouldnt have the right to fight even violently against the occupation? Why the west always boast this right for everybody apart for the palestinians? Why do we forget that ghandi said that he understood (even if not agree) if people choose to fight using violence against british occupation? We also forget that mandela and his party used violence at different times for the same purpose. Only thing is that israel is too powerful and armed for poor palestinians fighters and peaceful means bring more solidarity from the world. Also, is israel really interested in peace? and a palestinian country? Sharon in the 70's said that israel had no interest whatsoever in reconigsing palestinian rights and that the settlers would be used to make that clear. So are peaceful methods as useles s as the violent ones since israel had never any intention of allowing the birth of a palestinian state?

If you have peace you will have to give back land and withdraw your troops. Israel does not want peace.

games.Stalling,does not want to negotatiate.The Arabs have become serious.Imagine giving up all that land they coveted for so long and stole from the Palestinians. Iran, actually is going through a see saw relationship with Russia,which needs a reliable flank on its southern front.See an excellent article on the subject in GLOBALRESEARCH.ca It's a recent one and you'll find it on the home page itself.

Since you're not an Saudi Official, simply an Aussie trying to deceive, I much prefer their version of the "Peace Plan" rather than your fantasy. I believe what they wrote, your stuff is pure gibberish..... Bookmark to del.icio.us Digg It! new Arab League Secretary General Amr Moussa, right, speaking with Iraqi President Jalal Talabani during the Arab summit in Riyadh on Thursday. (AP) Last update - 01:15 05/04/2007 Saudi source: No talks before Israel accepts Arab peace plan By Yoav Stern, Haaretz Correspondent, and The Associated Press "Saudi Arabia said Tuesday that Israel must first accept the Arab peace" initiative before it would agree to any direct talks with Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. Olmert has called for a summit with the Saudis in order to discuss the peace process, following an Arab League decision to re-launch a 2002 peace initiative that calls for an Israeli withdrawal to the pre-1967 boundaries and a jus

extremely thick and has no powers of retention. These are the SAUDI'S PRE-CONDITIONS, which must be accepted before they will sit down with Israel. What part don't you understand? I'll answer for you, you understand NOTHING! It's like dealing with a half-witted child............ Bookmark to del.icio.us Digg It! new Arab League Secretary General Amr Moussa, right, speaking with Iraqi President Jalal Talabani during the Arab summit in Riyadh on Thursday. (AP) Last update - 01:15 05/04/2007 Saudi source: No talks before Israel accepts Arab peace plan By Yoav Stern, Haaretz Correspondent, and The Associated Press "Saudi Arabia said Tuesday that Israel must first accept the Arab peace initiative before it would agree to any direct talks with Prime Minister Ehud Olmert." Olmert has called for a summit with the Saudis in order to discuss the peace process, following an Arab League decision to re-launch a 2002 peace initiati

I'll say one thing, you continually attempt to decieve (lie) and are caught each and every time. Saudi's "Peace Plan" was to be "UNCONDITIONALLY" accepted, no if's and's or but's. It's really a pity that you don't have the intelligence to understand the written word. If you wish, I'll post their position as many times as you like, since you're like a child who isn't capable of comprehending the lessons being taught. Or else, you're brain dead.

being German, you have no right to speak about right and wrong. If terrorists attacked your country, your leaders would have no choice but to protect its citizens. Nothing more, nothing less. If palis want peace, why do they preach war?

Or maybe it's because "muslims" NOR Christians, will accept being murdered by their occupiers. There was never any 'submit' there has only been occupation...degradation, humiliation, murder, terror. And this will go on until the end of time? Or the end of U.S. aid?

There will never be peace in Palestine because muslims won't accept that Jews refuse to submit to muslims any more. There is no submission by Jews any more. Islam can't accept that; they say that Jews must be made to submit. Islam can't accept that these infidels won't submit. The struggle will go on until the end of time.

Repeating the same ol' misconception, BEN. I'll try again to explain the Saudi position: 1) We want comprehensive peace talks 2) We believe you will only get comprehensive peace if the agenda for those talks contain *these* items 3) We believe all these items must be dealt with at those talks before we have a comprehensive peace 4) ON THAT BASIS do you want to talk, or don't you? There are no preconditions; the Saudi's have put up an agenda, and asked the Israeli's if they are willing to talk ON THAT BASIS. All they expect from Israel in return is a "YES" or a "NO". Nothing else. Here is what you illuminated in your silly post: Olmert: Awww, let's just have an open-ended, empty gabfest instead.. Saudis: Listen again, stupid, coz we asked you a simple question: is it "YES" or "NO"? Olmert: Awww, let's just have an open-ended, empty gabfest instead.. You really don't see the difference, do you? The Saudi's want peace talks, and Olmert wants a photo op.

I am wondering if this has anything to do with the Iran "threat" (I put threat in quotations to indicate that Iran is only a threat to the west/Israel, but is quite the ally to India, China, Russia, along others) Until recently, is was assumed that Iran was very close to developing a nuclear weapon. And seems to me that Olmert was just playing it safe by talking peace with Palestinians, which directly means peace with every country on the planet, Iran included. But few days ago Israeli press suggested that Iran is 10 years away from a nuke and therefore Israel really did not have any imminent threat. Could this be the reason for Olmert to nullify the cease-fire? I'm starting to wonder.

It might interest you to know that historic Palestine was partitioned by the British before the UN got into the act. Britian cut off a substantial chunk and gave it to Abdullah I, as a reward for his sevices in WWI and to keep him away from the Saudi's who wanted to termimate him. Then the UN partitioned the remainder. Arabs in Palestine weren't content (they never are) went to war against the Jewish portion of the partition, lost in 1948 and in all subsequent laws. It's what's called be a sore loser. To increase your knowledge, GOOGLE Wikipedia's "TIMELINES OF ARAB-ISRAEL CONFLICT", read a little, learn a lot. One citizen, one vote, not really practical. Arabs outside of Israel aren't citizens, they're hostile foreigners.

Hamas' "Obvious act of provocation", yes, Israel induced Hamas to fire rockets into Sderot. How much more obvious can Israel be? Trying telling it like it is, not as you fantasize.

You really shouldn't call names. It seems someone has lifted your rock and you've emerged again. There you are, attempting to tell your outright lies again, when you have settled up on the last batch you were outed on. Back to basics, why did you falsify the "timelines"?? Here's a reminder.... By Yossi Melman, Haaretz Correspondent : Poland interested in training its air force pilots in Israel Talkback Title: #79 JB - STOP YOUR DECEPTIONS-YOU`VE BEEN OUTED Name: * BEN JABO City: USA State: Despite your failure to mislead, the actual facts are, straight from the Saudi Horses mouth, that they`ve set the pre-condtions and won`t allow any input from Israel. An impossible situation...............Saudi source: No talks before Israel accepts Arab peace plan By Yoav Stern, Haaretz Correspondent, and The Associated Press Saudi Arabia said Tuesday that Israel must first accept the Arab peace initiative before it would agree to any direct talks with Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. Olmert has called for a summit with the Saudis in order to discuss the peace process, following an Arab League decision to re-launch a 2002 peace initiative that calls for an Israeli withdrawal to the pre-1967 boundaries and a just and agreed solution to the refugee problem. A Saudi source told The Associated Press that Israel must accept the proposal "before any meeting is considered."

Shlomo: "The occupation must be reinstalled. Wall completed. Settlements outside the wall dismantled. Order restored. Organized crime and terror suppressed mercilessly. Then Israel should wait for few more decades until new, responsible and patriotic forces emerge in the Palestinian society" Riiiight, and if Israel does all that it WILL have decades of just sitting back waiting for the Pals to "come to their senses", will it? You simply expect that Israel can Do As It Pleases, and nobody else will object. That it operates in a vacuum of its own opinion and self-interest. I think not, Shlomo. If it tried that then the Americans are NOT going to be happy, and the Arabs ARE going to be going to war with her. That is a horrific combination, so you might like to shake off that hubris for once and reflect a bit more on the limits of raw power. Astonishing arrogance, Shlomo, from a resident of such a TINY country.

I fully agree with you. You said" "...in a fight someone can die, you know your risk when you try to kill innocent elders and children or when you launch rockets aiming on purpose civilian. Call than for new blood Hamas don`t want peace they want only blood and virgins."

You have to become Jews.

provocation.The timing is interesting.Olmert needs some diversion from his all time low popularity.Some indication that there is a blackout of news.I hear that many Israelis are fed up with what is going on and want a resolution of the conflict.The only way out now is the Arab initiative or the one state solution: one person,one vote. It may interest you to know that India was one of the 13 non European poweres that voted against U.N.Resolution 181 that partitioned historic Palestine.

But we knew he was fake.

did nothing for the Palestinians.Gaza as has been said many times,is an open air prison,with Israel controlling air space,exits and port.Then they go in an kill one of the Hamas commander which leads to the kidnapping of Shalit(who as someone on this very blogsite) was busy shelling homes and such like activities.After the kidnapping Israel went in there and did some large scale destruction of the infrastructure and killed many people etc.One can go on. The point is: Israel does not WANT peace.

through outlets other than aljazeera: you may find out that Israel in fact withdrew from a lot of land it captured in defensive wars. Also, you may be suprised to find out one such area was Gazza, and you may be even learn that in response to that withdrawal there has been continuous attack on Israel from Gazza ...

The IDF need more Qassams in order to declare the situation intolerable to the extent to justify an incursion or to cancel peace talks, so expect more provocative "operations" by the brave IDF.

Changing your name makes no difference. Your deep hatred to Jew's parrallels all the other uninformed blogers with the same mind set. Sorry for you.

IDF, perhaps the world's most lethal Terror -busters! We Eurowimps may have a lot to learn from true masters. We Eurowimps badly need to learn from our recent gaping failures (London Subway Bombings, Subway execution of innocent Brazilian, 15 surrender "Royal" marines, etc. etc...) IDF, please teach us how to regain our self-respect please.....

What do youcall the return of Sinai to Egypt and the withdrawal from Gaza? And what did we get in return for the latter one?

The Palestinains have the largesst "security forces" per capita in the world - I keep wondering what their job really is. They never seem to arrest anyone, or stop terrorirsts from firing into Israeli, or arrest terrorists that shoot at Israelis on the roads. So what is their job?

I see you're perhaps new to Ha'aretz's blogs. The "clickfool" you are lauding is a "clickfool" with small "c", not the real Clickfool -a pathological antisemite-. He/she changed his/her nickname already due to the many messages attributed to him/her.

So eat your hearts out. ;- CF

"Please respond with a list of references as to where 'international rights to resist its illegal occupation' are written" - The Fourth Geneva Convention, read it! The targeting of Israeli civilians by resistance fighters is just as unjust as the targeting of Palestinian civilians by the IDF. Why is it acceptable for Israel to completely disregard Palestinian lives whilst Israel's citizens are absolutely sacred?

from land captured.Res 242 called for that.The Arab initiative calls for that.The international community calls for that. All Isreal has done so far is to stonewall and now this obvious act of provocation.

clearly recognize that suicide bombings are beyond the pale of Western Civilization. This evil is barbaric and unclean. It started in 1982 with the Marine Barracks in Lebanon and continued through the deaths of Israeli teenagers at a club right after Clinton's camp David.The deaths of Islamic Jihad, the Martyrs Brigade etc is the prevention of killing civilians, like the kids in that club on a warm summer night.From Afghanistan, to Bally, to 9/11, to London,Kenya, the Phillipines,and the West Bank etc this must be defeated.(Yes Iraq is out of the list along with GB, would like to get Osama's minions and us out)

consider the question of war crimes against Israel also.

It was obvious that Israel was stalling on the Arab initiative and chose the right moment to create an incident. You're absolutely right that nothing will change until Iran gets the bomb and possible Syria. Israel has been the bully on the block far too long and hopefully will see the light,rather than the flash.

Using disproportionate amount of force is an easy way to break cease-fires. Palestine does not have any strong police force to stop a few rebels on the border. Its important to note that the Palestinian government did their best to maintain the cease-fire. And the results show that they have been effective. It seems clear to me that the current administration in Israel does not want to negotiate, or should I say compromise with the "enemy". One final note: Don't you dare call me anti-semetic. You only make a fool out of yourself, each time you use that word against anyone who criticizes Israel's actions. Because there are those out there that really are anti-semetic and each time you attach that phrase on a neutralist like me you are letting those anti-semites pass by. Come on, you know the wolf story. Don't you?

All those sentences about human rights, have the Pali's practice what you're endlessly preaching. You and they can take the complaint to the Hague and to hell for that matter.

of whatever senses you may have had. Hamas or whatever, fired rockets at Sderot. Are you saying that Israel provoked Hamas to fire the rockets?

Dear Ha'aretz talkback readers, please do not get the impression that we - the Dutch people - think like the person who calls himself "Dutch" on this website. He is a disgrace to us - the Dutch people - we support Israel 200% !! Am Israel Chai forever !

what good will this do. the whole west bank is rampant with terror. they teach their kids to kill. they train their kids to hate. 9 of these terrorists are dead, but there are 100's and thousands more. israel needs to be more aggresive. it's reassuring to hear that some of these mosters are no longer on this earth but there is much much more work to be done

... an illness in the family? Nothing trivial, I hope.

(the Islamic Bible) Koran (9:11) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrah of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; AND THERE WAS PEACE. (Note the verse number) Hmmmmmmmmmmm?!

Is the IDF doing anything that the brittish expeditionary forces were not doing in occupied nortern Ireland???

The IDF has sat on its hands for far too long. It is high time that they got off their asses and did something.

because if the Isralie's were actually doing something wrong as far as the 'so-called' internatinal community was concerned, they would already be protesting because they have 'optical rectitus' laymen term for.... (THEY HAVE THEIR HEADS SO FAR UP THEIR arse THEY CAN'T SEE OR THINK STRAIGHT'.

'Hamas calls for new attacks after IDF soldiers kill nine in 24 hours.' The thoroughly cowed international media will of course cooperate. After having disguised and minimized the extent of Israel's raid as far as decently possible (see the New York Times' 'coverage'), they can be counted on to ballyhoo any consequent act of Hamas terrorism. It'll be as if the Palestinians 'attacked' for no reason. The sequence is hardly novel -- but the intent to deceive and the sheer malevolence of the desire to perpetuate hostilities never ceases to outrage me. Don't you people have any shame at all?

THE WORD STUPID....

I would like a honest answer if you have the balls!

because you talk like them. pals have no country because you are not working towards it. arab men talk tough and wear beards to stimulate the image of toughness, yet don't realize that it takes brains, not brawn to be a REAL man. Stop your verbal 'back stabbing'.

Mrs. Margaret Thacher has given women a great position in world politics, be quiet and don't spoil it.

I am pleased with your response, I have critized you constantly and now find myself patting you on the back!

Israel needs the Gaza and Golan Heights for protection. Why do you suppose the Jews are always the ones who out think the Arabs? Isralies are not the real problem, it's world opinion and the ability of attacking the U.S..

Israel does not want to intrigrate into a society that does not want them. All european nations clamer for International law but notice the Hague cannot hold Israel accountable for anything and that is because Israel has and does everything according to the laws. Rest assured, arabs play to a different audience.

"provoking a Palestinian reaction" Islamist terror is never provoked. It is perpetrated.

YOU SHOULD BE TAKEN TO THE HAGUE: You have nothing to do with Dutch People. Your postings to HAARETZ are based upon lies.

"Every human being has an inherent right to life. This will be protected by law. No one shall arbitrarily deprived of his right to life ", you quote. Does this preclude and circumscribe rising to kill your enemy before he kills you? The monsters of your advocacy have openly declared their intent to destroy an entire nation and its peoples. Dutch, you really need to give up your putrid defenses of murderous islamisists.

It's an ongoing war...the pals claim they conceded a truce,but keep firing qassams...Israel doen't need a "palestinian state",doen't need a "palestinian peace",or a "saudi peace plan"...VIS PACEM,PARA BELLUM...IF YOU WANT PEACE,PREPARE FOR WAR!!!!!! AND CARPET BOMB GAZA,HIT NASRALLAH,UNTILL THEY FREE SHALIT AND THE TWO MAN TAKEN IN SOUTH LEBANON...GIVE THEM NO PEACE UNTILL WE HAVE PEACE!!!!!!!!!

First let me answer statement is Pal life cheap. It must be look at the money made by parents by killing their own children. They only throw stones. If I knew my cousin wanted me dead I would also think the rocks are dangerous. Repoted another Israeli hostage takn. I also would be afraid of my peace loving cousins. Keep up thr good work IDF.

the problem is that the pals are not ready to form their own country without your wise and simple suggestion.

Her mere existence has caused the male inhabitants of a 3000 square mile land mass to go homocidically crazy for the past 60 years. And before her existence, it was the mere mentioning of her name. Those poor Arabs. Why won't anyone listen to them?

lets see... Cease fire= pals send rockets daily into Israel, unprovoked without caring if innocent men, women or chldren are killed. Then beating their chests saying, that they will kill all Isralies, then performed provoking kidnappings, read the truth. Anyway Germans are arresting innocent parents for home schooling and labeling their chldren insane, careful!

This article does not report which Hamas official called for new attacks on Israel or whether this represents the position of all of Hamas. Assuming that this call does represent the new Hamas position, then the officers of the IDF have struck a major blow against peace and need not fear having to return to civilian life.

Israelis want peace - that was established through the strength of the "peace now" movement, not to mention all of the other steps taken to evacuate land captured in defensive wars. Clearly it's islam's grip on Middle East that prevents peace: the agenda of islam is the domination of the world, and it considers human life of little value to expend for that purpose. For peace to break out in the ME, islam needs to have its renaissance.

Extra IDF raids and killings are usually an indication that the leadership is worried about peace moves and is trying to head them off by provoking a Palestinian reaction.

The murderers in the IDF and IAF are supposed to uphold the right to life law not violate it. The best action for the Palestinians is not more violence but to take them to the Hague. Palestinian blood is not water. Dutch P.S. Please read the Right to Life Law; According to the International Human Right to Life Law, article 6 : "Every human being has an inherent right to life. This will be protected by law. No one shall arbitrarily deprived of his right to life " The comment made in the General Comment 14 of the UN Rights Commission explains the importance of this right and it emphasizes that no derogation is not per- mitted either: "...the right to life enunciated in the first paragraph of article 6 of the international Covenant on Civil and Political Rights is the supreme right from which no derogation is permitted even in times of public emergency." Thus even during a public emergency the Israeli Army has no legal right to kill Palestinians or to take preemptive action against Palestinians --that would endanger their right to life under the Right to Life Law. Dutch

Please Think: Why would Israel target anyone who's not a threat to her? Honestly think to yourself: What does Israel stand to gain from such actions? Answer: They don't! It's expensive, monetarily and in terms of public opinion. So, there must be some purpose for it....maybe security? Please use logic and THINK.

Once your resistance includes picking up a weapon or building a bomb, you are a combatant and fair game, so stop whining about taking casualties when you decide to go to war. Maybe in Thailand they let citizens shoot at police or army and don't allow the police/army to shoot back, but that's not the way it works in California. As far as 17 year olds throwing rocks at armed soldiers, all that means is that the 17 year old obviously has too much unwarranted confidence in the humanity and tolerance of his enemies. It does say good things about how the IDF normally operates that the rock thrower would think that he could get away with it.

Having cultivated a generation of "martyrs" by inculcation of hatred disseminated by text book and Friday evening sermon, a people that elect an islamist militant group of thugs to govern, it seems less and less likely that there, indeed are any longer "innocent civilians" among them.

another fine job

There is no "the cycle of violence". Only terror and response.

during World War II? Only complete defeat and unconditional surrender. Israel has never been allowed to force any Arab country, and now the Palestinians, to surrender unconditionally. In 1948, it was prevented from doing so by Great Britain. In 1956 by Dwight Eisenhower, Allen Foster Dulles and Soviet Russia. In 1967 by Soviet Russia and the UN. In 1973 by Soviet Russia. And now, against the Palestinians, by fear of losing US and European support and markets. Perhaps the presence of Iranian advisors and trainers, if not combatants, in Gaza, if it can be proved, will provide Israel with sufficient justification to mount a massive attack in that hellhole, though I hate to think of the bloodshed that would follow.

when one govt pledges to draw the blood of another. this should be the last round. Israel should pound and pound and pound until the enemy no longer exists or has given up. Only those two possibilities are viable options. Anything less and the fighting will continue.

Hey Lakshmi, you keep saying how India and Indians support the Palestinians; how ironic then that any Israeli can travel without a visa to India whenever he pleases, but Palestinians require a visa, which is impossible to obtain. If the Palestinians are so admired by the "international community" how come Israelis are allowed everywhere to travel and do business, while Palestinians are not allowed almost anywhere, including even in the Arab countries. Maybe they admire the Palestinians, but they certainly don't want them around...:)

Steve writes, " I am shocked, shocked at bomb makers, suicside bombers, rockets . . . what will those creative palis think of next." Perhaps nuclear bombs, Apache helicopters, and cluster bombs! The Great David only used a slingshot, whereas the Israelis are armed to the teeth at the expense of American taxpayers. P.S. To Ben Jabo #55, you are correct. I have had a 10-day lapse from much of the news due to an illness in the family. The first part of my initial post is incorrect. Sorry.

The problem with this Nick "Terrorism, defined as the use of violence against an unarmed population for political ends, is what the IDF does every time it targets innocent civilians for assassination" Is that it's your own personal opinion that the IDF is targeting innocent civilians. What evidence can you provide to prove it? Can you find anywhere some proof that the IDF is given specific orders to kill "innocent civilians" ? On the other hand, the other side is obviously given orders to blow up bus stops, pizza joints, discos where ONLY innocent civilians gather. Sorry, but your opinions are clearly biased and thus irrelevant. Try again ...

I would answer you that if the Arabs had accepted the UN resolution of 48 to partition Palestine into 2 states, as Israel had accepted it, there would be 2 states living side by side in peace. It was Arab greed, fanaticism, and unwillingness to share even a tiny parcel of land with your cousins, the Jewish people, that has caused so much death and destruction since 48. Now Arabs will have to accept Jewish soverenty over Jerusalem. Peace for Peace my friend. Sorry, losers can't be too choosy.

Fight Israeli racism and colonialism in all its forms against those under occupation, against those inside Israel, and against those in exile.

israel dose not want peace azad

because they do not how to live in peace!!!!! Look in Irak, they cannot stop killing themselves!!

In your last sentence, you meant to say :"They are no less criminal than the suicide bombers". You're right: it belongs to the agonist who has the upper hand to make the first conciliatory gesture, in a sincere and verifiably sustainable way, so that the 'virtuous spiral' can be set in motion. In 1970 Edward Said had told all those were willin to listen that, had Israel, after 1967, retreated unilaterally and unconditionally to within its pre-67 borders, as China had done earlier in its territorial conflict with India, a two-state solution would have become a sutainable peaceful reality. To achieve peace now, we can use the same model, mutatis mutandis.

what will those creative palis think of next.

Dear William, The right to resist is central to democracy. John Locke, the founder of modern secular democracy, in his refutation of divine right, said that rebellion against a contractual government is legitimate. Nearly every single democracy in existence today has its roots in just such a rebellion as we are witnessing today from the Palestinians. Historical legitimacy is on their side, not the Israelis. Your use of terrorism is deliberately one-sided. Terrorism, defined as the use of violence against an unarmed population for political ends, is what the IDF does every time it targets innocent civilians for assassination ? note the young 17-year old Palestinian girl shot dead at her window yesterday; seems to happen every time the IDF carries out a raid. It is what the IAF did last year in Lebanon. Israel has become an international pariah not just because it no longer abides by the rules of democracy, or uses terror as a weapon of state, but because it is also racist, expansionist, and Orwellian in its manipulation of the truth. Resistance to oppression, servitude, and state-sanctioned murder is at the heart of the democratic enterprise. Israel?s persistent and multiple breaches of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights flag its own loss of democratic legitimacy, and explain why its atrocities must be resisted against. Not to do so is to go like lambs to the slaughter. And that, as we all know, leads inexorably to genocide.

Have your eyes checked.. Rockets are being fired at Sderot, IDF retaliated as they had promised. Terrorists planned additional attacks, IDF cut them off at the pass.

Stop trying to be me. I am the only clickfool. Israel deserves everything hamas does to it.

HAMAS should know: Gabi Ashkenazi will not tolerate kidding. Stop QASSAMS, stop stone throwing, stop kidnappings, release kidnapped, stop weapon smuggling, stop tunnelings, behave yourselves.

..Palestinians, whether from the WB or Gaza, Israel should fire back with more power every time and recover land from which the attackers launched. You never make them pay! Killing them off one by one does nothing because to them they are all martyrs. Capture their land, it's legal when they have attacked you. Destroy the villages the attackers come from. Make them all pay so they will stop their terrorists in the planning stages.

The very nature of your headline is biased. Why not, 'Israeli's IDF continues attacks on suspected terrorists'. Sometime, one of the two combatants must muster the courage to stop the cycle of violence. And since so many Israelis believe that they have G_d on their side and are a superior race, I'd expect them to have such courage. They are no worse than the suicide bombers.

They'll be half a dozen left if they keep up their terror and keep training their youth to become terrorists.

It never actually started. Rockets were rained on Sderot from day one.

Note that the PA always notes the affiliation of dead terrorists, whether they're Hamas, Fatah, etc. They're proud of that, and recognize their "martyrs." In that, the PA's very straight forward. It's only the antisemites in the other parts of the world that make the claim of "innocence". Those people aren't interested in what's really happening or really being said by either side. they choose to believe Jews are always wrong and our casualties "deserved it" and people who kill us are always right while their casualties are "innocent". It's just that in this case, the enemy is Palestinians, but Clickfool, Dutch, Burkhardt and others will use the same arguments any place, any time.

The use of children by Palestinian Terrorist Organizations should surprise nobody. They're been doing it for years, it's well documented.----Palestinian-Occupied Territories Child soldiers have also been used in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. According to the Coalition to Stop the Use of Child Soldiers' "2004 Global Report on the Use of Child Soldiers", [3] there were at least nine documented suicide attacks involving Palestinian minors between October 2000 and March 2004: "There was no evidence of systematic recruitment of children by Palestinian armed groups. However, children are used as messengers and couriers, and in some cases as fighters and suicide bombers in attacks on Israeli soldiers and civilians. All the main political groups involve children in this way, including Fatah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine." [4]. According to Israeli security forces, there have been 229 cases of minors involved in militant activity. Arab journalist Huda Al-Hussein wrote in the London newspaper Al-Sharq Al-Awsat: "While UN organizations save child-soldiers, especially in Africa, from the control of militia leaders who hurl them into the furnace of gang-fighting, some Palestinian leaders? consciously issue orders with the purpose of ending their childhood, even if it means their last breath." (Oct. 27, 2000, translated by MEMRI, Arab Journalist Decries Palestinian Child-Soldiers Special Dispatch 146, Nov. 1, 2000). In an interview with the Kuwaiti newspaper Azzaman (June 20, 2002), Mahmoud Abbas condemned the practice, saying that he opposed "that little children go to die", stating that "[i]t is a horrible thing. At least 40 children in Rafah became cripples after their hands were blown off by pipe bombs. They received 5 shekels [slightly over $1] to throw them" (Quoted in the Jordanian newspaper Alrai) [5] On May 23, 2005, Amnesty International reiterated its calls to Palestinian armed groups to put an immediate end to the use of children in armed activities: "Palestinian armed groups must not use children under any circumstances to carry out armed attacks or to transport weapons or other material." [6]

You clearly neglected to mention that the latest round started when rockets were fired into Sderot. Oh well, what else can one expect from the Vaterland? I suggest you have your eyes checked to enhance your distorted vision.

So Hamas calls for new attacks? Why do that just announce you are continuing your daily attacks and tunnel digging and bomb making after all why should today be any different. The sooner the Idf Goes into Gaza and the Pals homeland and rid themselves of these so called leaders the better off the Middle east will be. BARHOUM proves he doesn't know what hes talking about in this article when he says Palestian blood is not cheap. Barhoum has it all wrong. Pal blood is cheap after all if it wasn't they would be sending in sucide bombers,They wouldn't be launching Quassams, and they would be doing everything to prevent anything that could be considered a provocation by Israel. So Barhoum the truth is You and your cronies consider Palestian Blood to be very cheap and very expendable. If it wasnt you and your leaders would do more to make sure that no more bloood is spilled on either side

Please respond with a list of references as to where "international rights to resist its illegal occupation" are written. I doubt highly you will see any reference to kidnappings, suicide bombings, fire bombs, and public calls for genocide/violence against another race by governmental and religious figures. You see, in the West (which I believe you're a part of) they call this...terrorism. Interesting how you call the targeting of PA fighters by Israeli fighters as "unjust", but the targeting of Israeli civilians and children by PA fighters as "normal acceptable ressponses to Occupation". No wonder why the EU isn't taken serious anymore.

source of problems is that we are infidels as are you.

Of course..in a fight someone can die, you know your risk when you try to kill innocent elders and children or when you launch rockets aiming on purpose civilian. Call than for new blood Hamas don't want peace they want only blood and virgins.

why r u so concerned about the deaths of 9 pals ... all involved in militant activity ? anything up to 500,000 people are dead in darfur in last 3 years with 3m + displaced. where's the logic and morality ?

What is wrong with palestinians? hamas,islamic jihad crap... . when are the normal palestinians are going to realize that israel is the best thing that happened in the arab world (unfortunately, lebanon is no longer what it use to be... )If palastenians keep supporting those fanatics to rule them, they will never have a future to look forward to. Stop your support for these fanatics and adopt a positive peaceful attitude. You will be surprised how much gains you will aquire.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Fact: Yes, the Palestinians (Hamas, Fatah et al) do want piece [sic]. They want a "piece" of Israel - all of it! Check their manifesto and their concept of a map of "Palestine." Fact: The embargo is NOT weakening. If Norway wants to make an asinine decision to continue supporting terrorism - let them. On the world stage, they are completely irrelevant. Fact: Hamas and Fatah have NOT put their problems aside and will be at each others' throats if they are not already. They have consistently proved that they can't live with each other or with anyone else. Arabs killing Arabs is not new. Have you checked the Iraq headlines today - or any other day? As for helping Iran and Syria to become nuclear powers? You need to keep taking your medication?

The rockets have not stopped. What would your government do if another state kept up rocket fire into your cities and neighborhoods?

Whenever there is movement towards peace, Israel takes provocative actions that ensures a Palestinian retaliation and hence blaming the Palestinian violenace for the lack of "progress". Current events are an example of such event. The Arabs once again had extended their hands to the Israelis to settle this conflict once and for all. The European embargo on the Palestinians is weakining, Norway already resumed ties with the PA government. Hamas and Fatah put their problems aside and Hamas showed more pragmatism towards reaching an accord with the Israelis. In response, Israel did what it always does in such situations. It added fuel to the fire. Anyone who believes that Israel is serious about ending the conflict is an idiot. The military balance in the Middle East must change before Israel considers peace. Help Iran become a nuclear power, get Pakistan into the Muslim fold, make Syria a nuclear power and only then maybe, just maybe Israel will see the light, or the "flash".

adhere to the three points it requested of it to do. If it can't do so, the world should continue to boycott this organization and the government of the PA which is Hamas based!!!

Haaretz claims: "The violence has threatened a cease-fire declared last November between Israel and Palestinian militants in Gaza.". I remember militants and Abbas declared cease-fire. I don't remember government of Israel did it. Am I right? Or Haaretz once again misinformed us?

#16 YOU ARE AN IMPOSTER. THSI IS THE REAL ME!!

When will Israeli's wake up and smell the occupation. The Israeli's say they have no partner so they continue to terrorize an entire people. The international community (including the surrounding arab countries)has repeatedly stepped up 100's of times to help bring peace. Israel denies the help and continues to murder men,women and children, demolish houses, imprison a whole people, steal land, build settlements, stave the population, and then cry to the world that they are the victims and that the Palestinians must lay down their rocks and crude missiles that can't even hit the side of a barn. Why doesn't Israel lay down it's appache helicopters, bomb dropping jets, and tanks that it uses on an already oppressed people. Shame on you Israel.

Your comment below is of the same mentality as Saddam. When the Kurds tried to kill him he knocked out the whole village. He had Bush Sr. and Rumsfeld's blessing at the time as you have the U.S.'s blessing for now. But I have a feeling history will repeat itself and you and yours will be hung as well. palestinians have been warned , the next time it happens wipe the whole village out from where the rockets came from, no other civilised country in the world would tolerate these constant attacks on their citizens.

Looks like the end of the cease-fire. Duck.

Burkhardt, Should Israel allow its citizens to be slaughtered like meek lambs? Barak and Clinton already drove done this route with Arafat and the the Pals. More than 1000 Israelis murdered, thousands maimed. Terrorism is the Pals' vehicle and the destination is a Jew less state from sea to sea. Pal society teaches and has taught hatred and violence against people of Jewish identity both before and after the creation of the state of Israel. Racial prejudice is taught in the Pal schools while the existence of Israel is denied even though the Oslo accords recognize Israel. Hatred and violence against Israel and Jews sounds from the pulpit of the mosque, from newspapers, radio, television and on the street of every Pal town. This is the source of violence. As long as Pals are prepared to strap bombs to their, their women and their children's bodies to terrorize and kill Israeli civilians the IDF will be there to prevent them from reaching their goals.

The propaganda apparatus of the PA and Hamas always casts the Arab residents of Palestine as innocents(who just happen to be in a car near whre rockets were launched etc. and etc) when in reality they are bent on killing innocents in their beds and retsaurants.

Every day there are rockets and fire-bombs thrown on to israeli settlements, don't be surprised if Israel deals with the guys who do it since Hamas itself can't control it's own people.

Hamas honoured the Ceasefire last year only to find out that Israel had entered Gaza and killed one of their commanders.This led to the capture of Shalit and then Israel went in and used disproportionate violence and killed people and bombed their infrastructure. And further, the violence by Israel on the West Bank is an ongoing process.The killings there yesterday were only a continuation of the violence that has gone for a long time. You cannot blame the Palestinians for retaliating. And until Israel quits stalling and comes to the table with the revived Arab Peace Initiative nothing will change.One of the bloggers was right.Until the politicians stop playing games both Jews and Palestinians will suffer.

who USE young men to further their hate and revenge.

Israel has the right to strike back.

Are you telling me the suicide bombings are not also just as evil. Israelm just as every other nation, should be allowed to defend themselves against these aggressors.

There's rising antisemitism and a growing Nazi movement in Germany, but Burkhardt is talking about other people sweeping away dirt? Violence was the source of WWII, does that mean that it also wasn't the solution? That the Allies were wrong for fighting that source of violence? Guess what, child, if a people is going to declare war against another people, it can't complain when the people defend itself. when the Arabs wish to stop the violence, we won't have to respond.

ONLY WAR WILL BRING PEACE. A REAL WAR.

Once again, Hamas is calling for new attacks on Israel. No country in the world would sit idly by and let the enemy rocket their towns. They are the enemy and Israel is completely justified in hitting them and hitting them hard. Enough said.

u have know idea, u idiot...................

Taking the Gaza was the worst mistake Israel ever made.Egypt was glad to be rid of the Palestinians,just as Jordan was.All with good reason.

Violence is the source, not the solution of your problems. Instead of always blaming others for your failure to become integrated into the region you better sweep the dirt from your own front door first. What is hateful to yourself, do not do it to your fellow man.

Hamas has shown again how much it is willing to talk to Israel about a permenant peace. Who could be so stupid as to believe them?

now think the state of Israel has the right to exist and do you presently think its citizens have the right to defend themselves? In the past you have written that Israel had no right to exist. You have also written that Jews have no right to protect themselves. What has caused you to think differently??

accept Israel's right to defen the life of its citizens is the meaning of its statement.

It is clear now, that legitimation of criminals and attempts to make peace with them was a blunder, which resulted in deaths of thousands. Israel will have to dismantle the PA and reinstall military occupation anyway, so why not now? Every day this criminal regime exists, more blood is shed. The two innocents, used by the gangsters as human shield, are another victims of Oslo, that allowed Tunisian criminal gang to take care of over one million of people. The occupation must be reinstalled. Wall completed. Settlements outside the wall dismantled. Order restored. Organized crime and terror suppressed mercilessly. Then Israel should wait for few more decades until new, responsible and patriotic forces emerge in the Palestinian society, those willing to fulfill legitime aspirations of Palestinian people for statehood and for peace with Israel.

The two civilians were shields, one used by her brother and the other by the terrorists in the same car. The PA admits the other 6 were terrorists, proudly announcing their affiliation. The GC says that the use of shields doesn't prevent attacks. If the Pals want to have this end, they just need to end the war they began. It's that simple.

Let me correct your message to what you meant to say. Clearly Hamas/Islamic Jihad/arab terror groups are the agressors. Firing Kasam rogets and planning and carriyng out terror attacks serve to sabotage the ongoing peace efforts. The vicious carousel of terror and attempts at containing terror will turn again; Palestinian civilians will pay with their blood for Hamas/Islamic Jihad/arab terror groups leader's policy of violence.

Maybe you have missed the fact that last year 171 terrorists were arrested in Judea and Samaria who were planning suicide attacks against targets in Israel. Just last week a suicide bomber infiltrated Israel and attempted to detonate his bomb on a bus of civilians. The batteries malfunctioned. Planning and production of bomb belts for suicide bombings and attacks is ongoing on a continual basis. It would be suicidal madness for Israel not to seek the terrorists before and not after they enter Israel. If the Pals want calm, then they will have to abandon all forms of attacks against Israel and all preparations for same. Unfortunately this is not happening. Gaza is being turned into a training ground for terrorists and a weapons, munitions and missile depot for the next attack against Israeli civilians. The Pals, if they could, would do the same in the Judea and Samaria. Thus the IDF will pursue the terrorists there.

Michael..did you read the title of this article. Hamas calls for new attach after IDF kills 8 in 24 hr. How is that the doing of Hamas? For the record I despise Hamas, but when we go killing 8 people what do you expect would happen? We can't cry when we attack others and kill their people. A jewish blood will be spilled as a result of this usesless killing. Just like we lost so many Jewish blood in the last Lebanon war. For what? We let Hizuballa survive. PM does these half ass jobs to attract some attention, and gain some political support, but ultimately Jews pay for their useless games. Did we make Israel by killing 8 people? NO, we just violated a seize fire and for nothing!!! Too bad

Bravo IDF, go on.

when rockets land in sderot a powerful message must be sent to gaza and the terrorists that israel will not tolerate the sending of kassams and other crude devices into her territory, the palestinians have been warned , the next time it happens wipe the whole village out from where the rockets came from, no other civilised country in the world would tolerate these constant attacks on their citizens. kadimah and olmert now want to extend this "truce" with thir palestinian counterparts to judea and samaria? dont make me laugh , resign olmert and take your useless government with you.

"Or maybe they expect that only Israel will cease its fire" - Why not? Israel expects the Palestinians to give up all their international rights to resist its illegal occupation whilst it continues to steal more and more Palestinian land.

Since when are Qassams being fired from the West Bank?

BURKHARDT YOUR CRAZY, YOU GO AND LIVE IN GAZA AND SEE WHAT ITS LIKE, THE GAZANS FEUDING WITH EACHOTHER, AND KILLING EACHOTHER. THE ARABS INVITE THEIR OWN TROUBLES BECAUSE THEY ARE OUT OF CONTROL.

Rmember "The Marsians", or what ever the movie was called? Olmert has been flirting with the left and now he is flirting with the right. He needs support from both, he is after all a "centrist".

"The group named the two dead as Amin Lubadi, 20, a bomb maker who had been wanted by Israel for more than three years, and Fadel Nur, 21, both active in the militant group." 15 years old and already a Bomb maker?

Clearly Israel is the aggressor. These killings serve to sabotage the ongoing peace efforts. The vicious carousel of terror and counterterror will turn again; Israeli civilians will pay with their blood for Olmerts policy of violence.

If they fire rockets into Israel, how can there be a cease-fire. Or maybe they expect that only Israel will cease its fire.