Goldstone wins human rights award from Sweden NGOs

intentional. I have some dificulties to accept your claim that a judge of Goldstone importance would respond the question "Do you believe Israel targeted civilians deliberately" with "Certainly, some of the buildings were hit intentionally...

Goldstone said on the question of whether Israelis targeted civilians deliberately: "Certainly, some -- some of it was intentional. There was no -- there was no mistake about the bombing of civilian buildings and legislative council, the sorts of factories, food factories which are civilian that I was talking about. That wasn't an area -- the -- the -- the Israeli army have very precise munitions." He talks about hitting civilian buildings, not targeting civilian people. Translating this to simple questions with yes/no answers is one of the bigger problems in this whole thing. Same thing with Goldstone as with the Boström article on 'organ theft'. No one really cares to read the source, basing opinions on other peoples biased interpretation.

harzion-// do you believe israel targeted civilians deliberately" Goldstone replied "yes"// CJ-No he didn`t. He gave a full explanation Goldstone said-Certainly some of it was intentional. harzion-//she then asked do you believe america targets civilians deliberately and he answered "no"// CJ-No he didn`t. He gave a full explanation Goldstone said-I have no doubt that it hasn?t been deliberate. harzion-//"when i heard that i lost all ..// And guess what was the response of a Madrassa graduate who was caught red handed lying: "You didn`t hear that.... You`ve lost all credibility".... Care to explain the meaning of He gave a full explanation,CJ?You mean harzion was supposed to paste all Goldstone's answer? Like that? CA: Do you think it has an effect in terms of other prosecutions. For instance there are people who say, including potentially members of the ICC, that some of what NATO or the US is doing lets say in Afghanistan or in Iraq. The whole issue of civilian casualties has become huge in Afghanistan. RG: Well, that?s correct. But the United States, I think to its credit, has always taken care to protect innocent civilians. When innocent civilians have been killed and injured, it hasn?t been because it was intentional. It may have been negligent, it may even have been, and I don?t know I haven?t looked in to it, it may have been more than negligent but I have no doubt that it hasn?t been deliberate. :) Funny

"what on earth does "he gave a full explanation" mean" Exactly what it says ".he said "yes" and he said "no" to the answers i indicated." You're bearing false witness. I'm not surprised.

When commissioned to investgate the Incatha & ANC rivalry by the outgoing white government it was obvious who was coming in. So Goldstone took the ANC at face value and got his rewards accordingly.

Mr. Goldstone is a man of honor. Israel is becoming what it most detest; a viscous genocidal nation. Israel must be prosecuted for what they have done an all guilty parties prosecuted to the fullest extent of international law. If the actions are serious enough, long jail terms and possibly even the death penalty should be imposed.

Whatever Jews do to survive is wrong, for people like Goldstone it is the Bible, so it is for the Sweedes, so what would you expect.

To David Israel: Sweden does not award the Nobel peace price. It's done by a Norwegian committe. (They often seem to do it with a political agenda.)

Answer to harzion who claimed that jews were not allowed in Sweden until the 19'th century: The first jews came to sweden in the 16th century. The first jewish parish was allowed by the swedish king in the 18th century. By 1870, jews were allowed 'full rights', like owning land etc. Jews and other ethnic and religious groups were persecuted from time to time, which swedes are not proud of, among other parts of our history. (We are trying to make it up.)

ben alofs has finally met a jew he likes.

as a judge should be" you are all at sea A1. goldstone made it particularly clear he was not conducting a judicial inquiry.he emphasised it was a "report".

what on earth does "he gave a full explanation" mean.he said "yes" and he said "no" to the answers i indicated. "he gave a full explanation" is not an answer.at best your post is misleading.let us have the "full explanation" you write about i heard his words and noted them.

Which Goldstone clearly declared himself to be by signing an open letter condemning Israel with known anti Israel activists prior to undertaking any investigation

ignoring all Goldstones other achievements for years till he shafted Israel then suddenly giving him an award.

And dear justice how do you know it was not intentional? You haven't conducted any investigation on that. better to have simply said you had no comment or something to that nature. Because it sure looks like you are saying. Israel intentionally kills civilians and america does not. I'm not saying America does intentionally target civilians but then, I don't have the facts and nor does Goldstone. Because some living in the tribal areas of paskistan would dispute the "non-intentional killing" with regards to the unmanned drones aiming at miltants. Which reminds me, what is the difference between that (unmanned drone attacks) and what Israel was doing to Hamas in the 90s. You don't see any complaints or is it because it affects the western world and the hamas issue did not?

These Swedes that you like so much are also silently digging the grave of the integrity of Turkey by supporting the Kurdish separation movement. They gave a Nobel prize to Orhan Pamuk after his words about the Armenian Genocide and Kurdish issue. When it comes to this you call the swedes no good but then when they reward an anti Israel person you suddenly like them. It does not work like that. The fact is - as much as you would like to believe that your case against PKK terrorism is different the Europeans do not think so - Israel and Turkey are on the same boat when it comes to fight terrorism. Don't make the mistake Enver Pasha did by ssiding witrh the wrong side one more time. This time you might lose half of what Ataturk and his company fought very hard to get.

The Hamas leaders and the Khomeinist agents are the enemy of all decent Palestinians. Goldstone investigated the hit on the Hamas terrorists. Where was he -when the Hamas leaders sold out their people to the Khomeininst junta? -when Hamas rigged the votes like Ahmedinejad or Karzai? -when Hamas killed its political rivals? We can do the best by nurturing enlightened Palestinian leaders to dig out the people from historical delusions. Not Goldstone like fake humanists!

Snr Goldstone. Either they haven't read the report or they're denying what it actually says. Nothing in it threatens Israel. Nothing in it diminishes Israel's right or ability to defend itself. Nil! Nought! Nada! No thing!

Well done judge Goldstone!

Dino, As proud Jew and Israeli citizen, who lived in both Israel and South Africa, I feel ashamed that such distinguished Judge as Judge R.Goldstone, whom I always appreciated while in South Africa, has turned into a complete sellout and sold his own people for all those awards and cheap fame. Shame on you, Judge Golstone!

Perhaps he is award worthy to the left and Arabs: Great. But, his 8 year failure vis a vis hamas rockets, bus bombings and Shalit make him a complete zero.

Some people in Sweeden agree with Mr. Erdogan. Oh my God!! Are they anti-semitic, too?? Where the world is going to?? Why don't they just understand you??

Imagine that an Arab ambassador to the UN said "A predictable Jewish game": Jewish groups and individuals around the globe would be howling about anti-Semitism - and rightly so. But when an Israeli diplomat makes such a despicable, racist remark, no one bats an eye - certainly not Israel. This can lead to only two conclusions: 1) That racism against Arabs is acceptable in the Western world (i.e. the U.S. and Europe) and/or 2) That people have become so used to Israeli racism that it barely elicits a response.

look who's talkin? the proud swiss right after last referndum how can u come here and critisize isr? the apartheid in ur country is more than any european country now! go back and fix ur own country before critisizing others... the democracy in swissistan is no longer a democracy

The Swedes rushing to award someone who demonizes Israel! And the lame gang of hypocrites post their approval on this site.

http://www.studentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/30/ampr.01.html // do you believe israel targeted civilians deliberately" goldstone replied "yes"// No he didn't. He gave a full explanation //she then asked do you believe america targets civilians deliberately and he answered "no"// No he didn't. He gave a full explanation //"when i heard that i lost all ..// You didn't hear that.... You've lost all credibility

Even though he is Jewish and a committed Zionist, he demonstrated how fair he is by applying the same criteria and principles to all people, irrespective of their background. That is the hallmark of true fairness and that is why judge Golstone is so highly respected all over the world.

For the honorable defense of Israel's foes. It's called the HDIF.

8 is right: for whom is this report or his author controversial except for the majority - no wonder - of Israelis?

From the same country that wants to declare a Palestinian state and give them defacto east Jerusalem, a human rights award to our new best friend Judge Goldstone. How appropriate. I hope the two are very happy together-they certainly think alike and neither can be counted as a friend of Israel

Marilyn said: "We all saw on our TV screens what happened, why do the Israeli jews pretend we didn`t? And just stop their whining?" You have to realize that due to Israeli censorship, Israelis watching Israeli news were not allowed to see the news coming out of Gaza that the rest of us saw. Israel banned reporters from Gaza for a reason. They wanted to hide their crimes from the world. Those of us who saw the on-the-ground reporting that came out despite the Israel press ban saw Israel's war crimes. Those who saw just what was approved by Israeli censors didn't see it, so they are being blind-sided by this report. They really have an entirely different distorted reality molded by censorship. That is why they can't believe exactly what the rest of us saw with our own eyes. Sadly, it only makes them look bad. This is the evil of censorship.

The Israeli right-wing has drank their own kool-aid, and actually believes their own relentless demonization of Goldstone. The political tactic was to attack the individual in order to defend against the report. Within Israel that has worked. Everyone has been snow-jobbed into believing that the report can be ignored because of these non-stop attacks upon Goldstone himself. Israel thinks they have alienated Goldstone through these personal attacks. But outside of Israel, this simply is not true. Goldstone remains a distinguished and honored jurist. No din of noise coming from little Israel is going to change that reality outside of Israel. Instead, what is happening is that Israel is alienating ISRAEL by continuing to attack Goldstone. Israel is on the path to complete and utter isolation in this world. When Israel's self-isolation campaign sinks Israel, don't come crying to anyone else. You are doing it to yourselves.

Goldstone was still impartial on the Gazan report as a Judge should Be.

..."Article by Dr. David Zangen, Ma'ariv, 27.10.09, p. 2" Please read it and then let me know if the Israeli doctor is wrong or Goldstone is wrong...or you...

Goldstone has endured much unnecessary criticism for an honest and fair report. I respect Goldstone for his courage. We need more Goldstones to lead the way to truth. It is unfortunate there has been such an effort to detract attention from the events of Gaza and instead focus on the villification of Goldstone.

go unnoticed, unchallenged, uninvestigated? Hundreds of poor innocent little children. What if they were to have been little innocent jewish children, well let me guess. So it is racism after all. Goldstone should be held up as a shining example to all school children in Israel. This is what being a Jew is all about.

Oh so if Israel co-operates then when the pre-determined outcome is anounced Israel is seen as having signed on and any reaction is bad sport and if Israel doesn't co-operates then thats the reason for a 1 sided judgement. i.e. heads u loose tails u loose. Bill it's not about my seeing the forest for the trees it's about Israel getting a fair trail - one based on facts - the truth - not on politics. Even Jack the Ripper would get a fair trail. Goldstone took 12 days of investigation to pass judgement over a nation - OJ Simpsons trail involved 2 years of investigation.

and they are no better!

Goldstone IS the human rights award For Sweden NGOs.

It is ridiculous to claim you know what happened on the ground because you saw images that depicted destruction on television. You saw a looping 10 second blurp in the context of whatever bias you follow. Oh, but BBC and Al-Jazeera have no directives! The news is business and they pander to their majority because that is what brings them money. It's no conspiracy it's business. Don't be so naive as to think I saw, so it is for what you saw is what you were allowed to see through the prism of some television producers vision. Goldstone played his part well enough, like every Jewish "celebrity" he was able to prove that he could transcend his Jewishness and be as "good" and "trusting" as the next average Joe. Don't ignore those who financed the commission, to do so is gravely misleading.

anyone with a reasonable unbiased mindset could see what took place in gaza both before and during cast lead. The bottom line is, goldstone let himself be used, if you will, and no matter how many awards he wins from eu states, members, panels, etc, the man is a piece of crap lying left wing pie in the sky liberal. gaza was given back fully..unilaterally. Isn't that what all countries wanted? and israel did it. then what happened? more rockets, but I didnt see or hear ANY of these same voices running to the HRC or to Goldstone or to the UNSC to launch investigations or lodge complaints. only when the jews responded to the POOR terrorists were people upset. What a farce this all is..disproportion? did cast lead see israel fire 8000 rockets at gaza? did it? NO! If someone uses a mosque or a school from which to fire weapons, should there be no response? at what point will people wake up to what hamas is? would you allow this in your countries? would you even allow 1 missile?

Even though he is Jewish and a committed Zionist, he demonstrated how fair he is by applying the same criteria and principles to all people, irrespective of their background. That is the hallmark of true fairness and that is why judge Golstone is so highly respected all over the world.

Thanks Judge Goldstone for standing up to human rights. You are not "a little man" as an unworthy fox described you.

It is well known that Irgun and Haganah forces committed rapes in 1948 as part of their terror campaign of ethnic cleansing. This was again confirmed by Rosemarie Eisber's book "Under the Cover of War, The Expulsion of the Palestinians" published last year, which featured interviews with almost 200 Palestinian refugees who actually lived through the experience. That rapes were committed was already known from the Zionist archives. Conservative Palestinian Arab society considered the loss of honour of its women through rape by enemy forces a terrible thing. Which is why factors as fear of rape and fear of being killed was an important reason why Palestinians fled. Typically a village would first come under sustained shelling, after which it was attacked by enemy forces. They would leave one way open for the Palestinians to flee. Any remaining Palestinian civilians ran the risk of being killed (as happened with many elderly) and younger women raped.

The first jew to ever settle in Sweden was a man named Aaron Isaac. He was the founder of the jewish community in Sweden and was allowed 1770 to build a synagogue in Stockholm. So we already had a jewish community here long before you said. But the question is what jewish migration to sweden has to do with Goldstones award. Hmm thats hard to figure out, please fill me in.

It's not easy to sell out one's people.

..after an absolute majority voted in a plebiscite to ban building minerets in Sweden? I suspect you will avoid to answer this question

Obviosly Sewdens love of oil and Arab wealth ,prevents them from investigating the Apartheid Judge. Then why should Sweden concern itself with the horrors of apartheid , the inhumanities caused to the black man is not part of Sweden's concern .Goldstone was a part of the South African Apartheid govvernment rule ,he sat as a supreme judge ,he deserves to be investigated for his role in the Apartheid Government certainly no prize .

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I have seen prizes given to Jews (cooperators) under Stalin's regime , my parents witnessed prizes given to capos in Auschwitz and now I am a witness to a prize given to one of descendant of those previous prize receivers . Now tell me , on which one of so far witnessed prize receivers do you think I should be proud of ???

anyone with a reasonable & unbiased mindset could see what took place in gaza both before and during cast lead. The bottom line is, goldstone let himself be used, if you will, and no matter how many awards he wins from EU states, members, panels, etc, the man is a piece of crap lying left wing pie in the sky liberal. gaza was given back fully..unilaterally. Isn't that what all countries wanted? and israel did it. then what happened? more rockets, but I didnt see or hear ANY of these same voices running to the HRC or to Goldstone or to the UNSC to launch investigations or lodge complaints. only when the jews responded to the POOR terrorists were people upset. What a farce this all is..disproportion? did cast lead see israel fire 8000 rockets at gaza? did it? NO! If someone uses a mosque or a school from which to fire weapons, should there be no response? at what point will people wake up to what hamas is? would you allow this in your countries? would you even allow 1 missile?

If you would be curious you would know that Goldstein is controversial an many places . But it pays for him to be controversial , because if he pleases the true enemies of Israel he gets a prize , a nice color lollipop .

and three thousand injured.mark bowden said 1000 killed.wikipedia. the red cross gave out lower numbers but since bowden did the research and has no reason to inflate figures i use his.

again americans killed one thousand somalis following blackhawk down incident.850 were civilians. the author is an american journalist.

one thousand somalis were killed by american fire power following blackhawk down a book by american journalist whose name on wikipedia.going out now. i will give you more details on this site today.or look it up yourself. bill either you have no access to information or you seek to deliberately mislead.of the thousand killed 850 were civilians. disprove the facts if you can and show me your sources bill.i wait for you.

Oke this is news? Now we only have to wait this Goldstone is getting some iranian award.

idf is one of the most sophisticated armies in the world. nothing is done with verifiable intelligence and a plan with goals. all the idf had to do was release these documents to show that all their actions in gaza were military targets unfortunately mostly in civilian locations. colateral civilian damage due to targeting military installations is not a war crime. it not too late to do this and goldstone has asked the idf to do this and for israel to do its own indepensent investigation just like they did after the sabra and shatilla incident.

Chris L Respect for what? Have you ever heard about Case No. IT-95-4-I The International Criminal Tribunal For The Former Yugoslavia Against Gruban, Signed by the Prosecutor Richard J. Goldstone Who is Gruban you might ask Well Gruban happens to be Gruban Malic A fictional character in a Book called ``Hero on a Donkey`` Written by Miodrag Bulatovic Prosecutor Richard J. Goldstone Known to you as Judge Richard Goldstone Indicted this Fictional Character for a ``Crime Against Humanity``

What? Just because Israel never wants to owe up to its own actions all of a sudden this jewish man of dignity and morales is a "Controversial judge". He is nothing of the sort, he is one of the great jews in this world and that scares Israel whom seems to be a place where all the jews of low morales seem to have gathered. Stop killing children, in their hundreds, in camps and maybe the UN don't have to investigate how you massacred them.

Maybe until 1890? What about later. The Skandinavia was the most secure place for the jews during the Holocaust. Nowadays the jews have no problems. There are very few for whom there is no meaning for ordinary skandinavians-in a negative sense- if somebody is a jew.They are in very high position in every are of the life -politics, culture,science ect. But it does not mean, than they could accept eveything what is happening in the Middle-East. And as to Human Rights - they also are ready to give the proper human life to the Palestinians -not only for the Israeli people (not all of then jews).

To take a prize for promoting hatred of Israel surely shows how low this monstrous ego can go. As for Sweden which has now become one of the most anti- Semitic countries in Europe its Muslim population is growing rapidly as its decency is disappearing.

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I suppose you would prefer that they only take into account Israel's views. Gee, I wonder how that would turn out.

There were 315 somalian deaths in Mogadishu, all military. America lost 18 soldiers.

I wonder, what is it about the Swedish psyche, history, religion that cause the Swedes to be so hate-filled toward the Jewish people and its national home?

They did this because they don?t know how to make up to arabs after banning mosques. This is chip low live politics.

If Israel HAD cooperated, then it would have been obvious that the problem was with Goldstone. But because Israel refused to cooperate, everyone in the world has justifiably criticized them. Like so many Israelis who can't see the forest for the trees, you seem unable to accept justifiable criticism.

You have earned the respect and gratitude of Planet Earth uin your work for human rights. At last this is being acknowledged.

....very, very proud of his/her descent. If I would be Jewish, I would be absolutely delighted !! :)

The Swedish Government is a great disappointment. Their NGO's are no better. Mr. Goldstone is a smug traitor to his people. Israel should downgrade its diplomatic relations with Sweden to send a clear message that Swedish anti-Semitism is not going to be tolerated even if they are members of the EU.

quite wrong esther.i had a great deal of sympathy with him and did not condemn him after i read the report.part of the reason was his speech in israel in 1996 saying in short jews should show higher values and not compare themselves to other nations.i of course agree with that. the judge lost me when he gave interviews that failed to justify his rhetoric. or his report.

.....deserve each other. Both are anti-Israel. But, Goldstone is also dumb to allow himself to be used by the Arabs and other anti-Israel groups. What was the man thinking? As for Israeli vs US forces and who has acted better, let's remember that armies--all armies--are blunt instruments at best. All of them have outliers who misbehave, although ti seems to me both the US Army and the IDF are better than most. The fact is that war itself is hell and innocents ALWAYS suffer. For example, look what the Russian Army did to its own people before and during WWII.

... so it's not as if you suddenly 'lost' it...

there have been many such offences.very recently the bbc told us many more have been discovered. would the judge like to compare our behaviour with those of the foreign armies in iraq.

the americans lost a helicopter in somalia. during the following 24 hours the americans killed one thousand somalis.850 of them were civilians. there were numerous cases of rapes of iraqi women perpetrated by american soldiers.ther is no history of these crimes by israeli soldiers. so when the judge compares our behaviour with that of americans and so condemning us then i say to him you are not really a judge.more an enemy i would have thought.

the lady with cnn. she asked judge goldstone the following: "do you believe israel targeted civilians deliberately" goldstone replied "yes" she then asked do you believe america targets civilians deliberately and he answered "no" when i heard that i lost all sympathy for the man.he does not know what he is saying.

till well into the nineteenth century,finland did not allow jews to stay till the 1890s. the good judge is in great company.

Israel should give him an award against Human Rights.

then the US would put tariffs on Cheese imports, which would help rebuild the US economy. A lower dollar would also help US exports and help fund debt sales of treasuries in other currencies. All of which is needed for the Democrats to win in 2010, Who in their right mind buys Chinese debt? Ps. It is not the same house which went into Iraq.

....is pretty irrelevant too for most liberal, fair-minded human beings on this planet. If you have a look at the polls (approval rating around 20 %), it is even pretty irrelevant for most Americans...:)

So the US House condemns it! big deal.. Is that the same US house that launched an illegal war on Iraq? for oil? ...looking for weapons that didn't exist!... and as for economic superpower; China could break the US over night by dumping the trillions of dollars of bonds they own.

Last weeks Jewish Report in South Africa featured an article that described how Goldstone did a hatchet job on the Inkata Freedom Party (Zulu's) by ignoring the evidence they submitted and making erroneous judgements to fullfill a predetermined political agenda - exactly like he did to Israel. Even though Inkata and SA Gov submitted evidence - it was TOTALLY IGNORED. Seems Israel did the right thing by not co-operating as anything submitted would have been ignored (like he did to South Africa)

Not many Jews we can be proud of nowadays, except for Judge Goldstein and Noble Yonath...

Awards are irrelevant. He is obviously a good man guided by truth and reality. His critics, even when they sense that his report is no more than a reflection of what actually happened, are either victims of self-delusion, or lack any moral or ethical feelings, except for their own tribe. Except when they are ranting to the converted, they will convince no one of their innocence our our guilt.

The rest of the UN is irrelevant! That is the reality of being the only true super power militarily and economically.

No other nation or ethnic group considers Dr. Goldstone or his report controversial.

We all saw on our TV screens what happened, why do the Israeli jews pretend we didn't? And just stop their whining?

If there were more Jews of conscience like you there would be peace. Thank God there are many, and the numbers are growing.

"Has Goldy improved one iota of human rights in the ME?" No, but at least HE tried.

He would have got the Nobel but Obama got in first by doing nothing. Goldstone mistake was that he mentioned rocket firing from Gaza - he simply forgot to remove the line from the report - meant to say Israel firing rockets with organs at Gaza - for this one mistake of mentioning Hamas he lost it. I feel sorry for him. He really really tried. I am sure next time he will do better - the award will spare him on.

at least to the Hutu and those who felt they could do no wrong. And when he was working on the situation in Yugoslavia, he was 'controversial' there too (at least to the Serbs and their supporters). In fact, when he joined the judiciary in Apartheid South Africa, his decisions were very 'controversial' to the supporters of that system. To everyone else, he was doing a very good job, that's why in bio's about him they usually start the awards section with 'Among the many awards he has received are...' followed by about a dozen awards from around the world. It would be interesting to see if there's a complete listing anywhere, but I haven't found one.

Israel should not even think twice about Sweeden, they're having a childish temper tantrum. Let's see how they would behave if they had bombs lobbed into their neighborhoods year after year. You better believe they'd be FAR LESS tolerant than Israel has. Goldstone was NOT objective, nor did he consider the realities on the ground and what faces the Israelis. The truth is, people have become less shocked by terrorism since 9/11 and are desensitized by the ongoing terrorist activities around the world, so they'll hardly consider what Israel is going through. Their more apt to sweep any logic for Israels defense measures and fix their sights on something with less rationale. What a world!

I don`t think that human rights are served when you aske Hamas and Gazans questions like whether IDF committed war crimes or whether Hamas were operating from their homes. If the FBI used the same methodloogy when getting information from the mafia, by now the president would be a Gambini, the Congress would have a mafia majority and all the cops would be locked in jail. Good job Goldy!