Goldstone to U.S. rabbis: Lieberman doesn't want Mideast peace talks

Dear Editor: Our real world consists of progressive and agressive countries, entities and people. R.G., his clients, pushing countries, together with weapons and big money people are under category of agressive Political clowns, weathercocks. and liesrs. One of main fact that jewish people are guilty every time if something happened in the world. R.G.,his clients, and intentional report are only a real prove of above words. It was no self-defence Israeli action, only Israel "deliberately targeted Palestinians civilians". From R.G. report it was no jewish actions to save civilians. Our world read a lot of publised peaceful materials in media. R.G. and his agressive company did not expect negative media about them and R.G. report

Dear Editor: R.G. position and intentional report are discusible because real world divided by progressive peaceful people and military agressors; you have different opinions on report. Let me add my opinion: 1. R.G. imagine one-self to be a great person; 2. Falce info and fictitious facts in a favor of his clients became R.G. nature and goals; 3. Israel just defends civilians and small state, and it was no any partners; 4. Israel prevents and protects civil people of Gaza; everything was published, but not for R.G. 5.R.G. and his clients have only one idea: jewish people are guilty for everything what is happened in the world. Report is only prove it. Sincerely, Vladimir

First, Lehi/|Stern Gang were one and the same. Treating them as two different groups just shows your shallow understanding. Neither Lehi/Stern or Irgun/Etzel has existed for the past 60 years, since the establishment of the state of Israel. Norther Ireland and Gaza are nowhere near the same. The IRA never claimed its aim was to destroy Great Britain and replace it with a Catholic Irish state, while replacing Israel with a Muslim or Islamic state is one of the declared objectives of both Hamas and Fatah.

Examining Goldstone's comments, conclusions and public statements, made in context with the reality of the Middle East, it would seem that Goldstone does not want a Mideast peace that involves Israel as a Jewish state.

i was born,i am growing up and i am gonna die is it life? when i was young everything was fun,everything was new and i was exciting about life but i am growing up and i realize that everything is the same all time,the same news,the same entertainment,the same words,the same view each and every day am i right if i say life is getting bore when you grow up? or to say it better when i realize about it, at the end life is a repetition,a deja vu,what can i do?

Collective punishment is not only wrong but it is very illegal. Individuals and organizations, as well as nations, can and will be prosecuted under Nuremburg laws for any sort of collective punishment upon whole groups of people or ethnic groups. Israel needs to stop breaking the law.

We all know well that Richard Goldstone is a very able and experienced jurist with an excellent reputation, he is a honest man. what has he done about his report that Israel deliberately targeted Palestinian civilians is what he found in Gaza, no more than that. we as international community must respect his good job to find and show us the hidden truth. what IDF has done is war crimes because they deliberately targeted Palestinian civilians and more than 1300 civilians including women and child died in Gaza.

Go A Head Mr.Richard Goldstone,don't be afraid. you are on the right side to find and show us the truth although sometime the truth is bitter. International community support your report to make this world better place for everybody. as a very able and experienced jurist with an excellent reputation and UN investigator, you have a moral responsible to International community to hold the truth. your reports are clear and not biased at all.

Later, when his words are used as weapons against Israel in ways he did not intend, he can again be "saddended" as he said in his recent remarks concerning the one sided UN resolution based on his report.

I was suprised you mentioned Malley...as his synopsis of the Camp David/Taba talks differed greatly from Dennis Ross. Dennis Ross is not a liar because he is a Jew, as you suggest. That statement to me is a dispicable anti-semetic characterization that I don't tolerate. The Palestinians pleaded with Clinton and Ross constantly during the Oslo process that the settlements were not only still expanding...the expansion was ACCELLERATING. Dennis Ross failed to see this as a major issue. That, to me, makes his opinion rather suspect at best(not to mention he was a high ranking AIPAC member for years).

Aby... with all my heart, I wish that you would be put in the situation of Palestinian kids and adults in Gaza for just one day. Not only their current situation, but their historical situation. With all my heart I hope that you find yourself in their positions. Maybe then you will stop being so blind. But to be honest, I doubt that you will... and for that you are very lucky!

So, Goldstone admits he was not objective. Why does he not quote Netanyahu's UN speeech in which he accepts a two state solution? Lieberman is not Prime Minister. And, does Goldstone really believe that he was able to get any truth from his Gaza interviews? How childishly naive or worse. Any Palestinian in Gaza who admitted that Hamas was using civilian shields is dead before his next breath. Goldstone is a FOOL. It's time to file him and his report into the trashbin of historical viscious nonsence that have done irreperable harm to the cause of peace. (Does he believe that Hamas wants peace????)

(retry) "The latter are "protected persons",,," Yet in his previous REPLY to another person, johnboy JUSTIFIES military ATTACKS on CIVILIANS by citing Art 28 of the GENEVA CONVENTION : - The presence of a protected person may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations. He makes NO distinction about "protected persons" then BECAUSE the VICTIMS - take a quick guess - are ISRAELIS. That's right, folks - according to johnboy, the LAWS that he says PROTECT the palis do NOT apply to the Israelis. As for his "Hamas reprisals" for Cast Lead, it is johnboy's USUAL and SLY way of putting the CART (reaction - Cast Lead) BEFORE the HORSE (action - hamas' ATTACKS including SUICIDE bombers and THOUSANDS of ROCKETS since the 2005 gaza withdrawal).

"SDHD---Irgun/Stern/Lehi--also had that choice" Pssssst. Here's a secret for you. Irgun, Stern, and Lehi no longer exist. They only existed for a very, very short period of time. Get it?

Agha, Malley, and the EU observer. What have you ever caught Dennis Ross lying about? Or do you just claim he's a liar because he's a Jew?

"So how do you suggest they fight back against the occupation the Israeli public has continuously voted for?" Are you forgetting that they continue rejecting a state whenever one is offered to them?

James, we both know it is far easier for a jew anywhere in the world (except maybe Iran), to be a rabid Israel supporter than to be a fierce Israel-critic. Shalom.

Cipora says: "it is obvious that goldstone has an ideological and political agenda which has nothing to do with the laws of war or the truth. goldstone is motivated by his narcissism." Cipora, if we replace the name Goldstone with Cipora Julianna, I am afraid your statement would hold equally true...if not more so. In your world, Israel can do no wrong...regardless of how hungry the people of Gaza remain, or how many roadblocks Israel needs to protect the ongoing colonial expansion, or many Palesitnians rot in Israeli jail without charge or trial...Israel can do no wrong....seems a little narcisstic to me....

I have asked you several times and you seem unable to respond. Let's try again. The Jewish forces in Palestine before 1948 fought without uniforms and among civilians. What makes doing so acceptable for them and a hideous crime for Hamas?

Exactly wh doesn't My Prime Minister,and his entourage who have brilliant lawyers do as you propose?perhaps they are innured to criticism from such as Goldy! I mean even us responders do it when presented with an argument. We cut an paste questions and reply to each accordingly. But then when we correspond we do so as CIVILIANS and not politician.Anyway,enough with this man above who like a DOG WITH A BONE,will not give up his controversial thoughts AND WE KNOW WHY. He scream and holler but WE ISRAELIS can rid us from him without any bother.Just SWATT HIM AS A AN ANNOYING PESKY FLY.

It must be hard for Israeli's and their blind faithful supporters abroad to deal with a situation where the principle accuser is one of them. Goldstone did Palestinians no favors but don't tell that to the screeching crowd in Israel. The facts are Goldstone whitewashed what was and is clearly today a genocidal campaign against Gazans. The "collective punishment" crime is one that didn't start with the "Gaza war" or end with it. It started with the election of Hamas and it continues to this day. A genocidal siege that has no precedent remains intact to this very day. Its aim is to squeeze the life out of Gazans and punish them into oblivion. That is a glaring crime against humanity that needs no "commission". Israel is guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity. I'm not distracted by the smoke - which suggests Zionist leaders are upset over Goldstone report when in reality they are breathing a sigh of relief. Anyone other than Goldstone would have demanded dismantling Israel.

The "BOFOON" Above who thinks not with his brain cells,actsas a politician(he is not), conversely acts as judge (he is supposed to be)OR ARE YOU REFERING TO THE FAKE Goldstone writing to Peter SM? in such obvious way? Bottom line Goldstone is a misguided person,and if he is hungry for a career in politics,then he should LEAVE HIS JOB AS A SO-CALLED JUDGE and pratice politics in earnest. Methinks he has ample time on his hands to deal with high CRIME in S.Africa rather than badger Israel unduly.I say to him again:Concentrate on SOUTH AFRICA WHERE YOU RESIDE,AND LEAVE MY COUNTRY IN PEACE.

Or conveniently forgets Hamas fights among his people,uses human shields whenever they decide to fight the IDF/IAF. being deaf/dumb on such an important subject makes him look notonly a fool,but an ignorant. Cast Lead was a success irrespective of sending our boys into thatDEN OF VIPERS.They had tio carry out a difficult operation to ensure there would be minimum civilian casualties.And they succeeded.What should have happened(my point)Israel did not FLATTEN the whole place once ad for all.They had to abort while they were achieving OUR GOAL.The usual blunder by our leaders every time. Additionally,if the Gazans were decimated (as some including this doofus above)how does justify the discharge of ROCKETS within seconds from the so-called dead Gazans. Finally,I applaud Lieberman for his honesty and steadfastness everytime.No fool is our Foreign Minister eh?

Narcissit par excellence! He has no ability to conduct an unbiased view point which to him seems to against HIS GRAIN. Using Israel as his "pawn" to gain favour in some quarters which would only damage Israel's standing in the world which has already has become unbearable. On another forum I told him:You are a Jew?Yes So was Torquemada.All you are doing is TORTURING MY COUNTRY/PEOPLE.We need you not.

You offer a naive and distorted view of the UN response to human rights abuses. Habermas understates the case when he says there is "a highly selective enforcement of the UN's human rights policy" (Divided West, 2007, p. 28). In the Bosnian Serb genocide you mention, for example, the UN not only suppressed information about Serb concentration camps, but participated in numerous ways in the genocide. One example: UNPROFOR troops intercepted starving Sarajevans attempting to flee to safety to Butmir and returned them to Sarajevo and their fate with the Serbs; if UNPROFOR could not catch those fleeing it used spotlights to illuminate them and Serb snipers opened fire (LeBor, Complicity with Evil, Yale University Press 2006, p. 3).

Mr. Goldstone do you think Hamas wears name tags? You just keep showing you naivete` at best, stupidity at worst. Instead of blaming Israel maybe you should check how your darling UNHRC has transformed your report, that doesn't seem to bother you at all. Maybe farther investigation into your other UNHRC reports to see if they were as accurate as the one on Gaza. If what is good for the goose should be good for the gander, Israel should bring charges against you for falsifying the truth. You set out to do harm instead of finding the truth, and you should be held liable. I could care less that you are Jewish or the man from the Mars you are a dishonest man.

it is obvious that goldstone has an ideological and political agenda which has nothing to do with the laws of war or the truth. goldstone is motivated by his narcissism.

You do not have to be a"zionist extremist" to notice,like a Qassam direct hit on a Sderot kindergarten or school.Unlike Hamas nobody in Sderot was firing from there. Now I repeat how many died in Gaza because Hamas chose to fight amongst civillians without uniforms? Ridiculous Qassams? why dont YOU let 10kg of high explosive in your backyard and see how ridiculous it is? Maybe you might Care to try a brick through your windscreen while you are travelling at 40 mph. The difference between Palestinians and Israelis is that Israel provides shelters for their people not just for their politicians. PS remember Maalot?

While I believe the end result of the Goldstone report was biased against Israel, in part due to Israel's intransigence of not allowing Goldstone's team to investigate properly, the recent remarks of Goldstone about Mr. Lieberman are absolutely spot-on target. Lieberman is an obstacle to peace. He has made his opinions known loud and clear, and now he is basically persona non-grata with many nations he needs to negotiate with. The time has come to insist that Netanyahu fire this former Russian pain-in-the-neck. Get him out of Government. Give him a window seat with no responsibility (mado giwazoku in Japanese). Israel deserves better than this coarse politician. Netanyahu is a tremendously weak leader and is going to have to accept making concessions just as the Palestinians are going to have to make concessions. Get used to reality instead of these nonsensical dreams of a greater Israel. It won't happen.

this sorry excuse for a jew should be HEREM... he gives confort to the worst enemies of the Jewish People,siding with the hamas and other terrorists,to bash Israel beforfe the world... HEREM,HEREM,HEREM...

Goldstone has done enough already. Do we really need to listen to this fool, yes fool, anymore? Just let him go back down to SA and let him fix the world down there. His street cred has been vaporized.

goldstone is a gigantic hot air balloon is somebody ready to tell him that he is a bad lawyer, politician, philosoph let us silence this empty unintellectual head has he paid attention to the subversive support of the russian empire, of the khomeinists who fuel the feud? are those putins and khamineis not guilty???????

The last paragraph in the article proves the guy Goldstone is either naive or an idiot!!!

the group he spoke to were reconstructionist "rabbis". reconstructionist are atheists. the group also had a fair number of lesbian "rabbis". they like calling themselves "rabbis" because they want people to think that they are religious jews. they are anything but.

Goldstone is a moral and humanitarian Zionist. Were he, rather than Lieberman, the public face of Israel, Israel's standing in the world would be infinitely higher. Goldstone represents what Israel was, or might have been.

"Goldstone is going on the assumption that collective punishment is wrong. Regardling Gaza it is not wrong, Gazans themselves voted, support and lie for Hamas, as willing participants in the Hamas." By this line of reasoning, for putting their government into office, all Israelis are guilty of war crimes and should be punished. What utter rubbish--on both counts!

One must really be proud of Goldstone and the way he stands by his principles. Many lesser men would have buckled under the unremitting onslaught hurled at him. A man who truly observes the precept tzedek, tzedek tirdof ! All the best to him ! Admirer

Lets assume for arguments sake that the Palis stop attacking Isreal and recognize Isreal unconditionally. Are you telling me that Isreal will then hand over disputed land remove settlements, compensate 1948 refugees etc.... Ok, now that we are all on the same page and agree that Goldstone is right, Isreal does not want peace lets discuss the Gaze situ. If Hamas are criminal in hiding behind civilians, does that justify Isreal tanks and airplanes killing everyone in sight to get to hamas fighter. Put another way, if police ar chasing a suspect and he hides in a building, do they demolish that building. Now take all I said and make counter argument from an Isreali perspective and we will end up where we started. In a circular argument. The chicken and the egg etc... I have no hope for peace. Isreal is strong now. In the future they wont be, and some one else will take their place of strength and do what they feel like doing just hope your not on the bad end of that deal

He will argue tooth and nail that killing 1,110 civilians in a punitive attack on a city is somehow justifiable. (Mussolini claimed that about Guernica and look how he ended up). All examples of democracies countering insurgencies by smarter/braver means are of no accord to him, inexperienced Israel always knows best. (Despite imminent summons to the International Criminal Court). He is symptomatic of the hive of nationalist American-Israeli firsters, who will argue black is white until the Third Temple dawns. (And probably for the following couple of millenia too). The odd thing is that these guys really think they are doing Israel a service by stoically beating off war crimes charges. There is a sort of 1945/46 mentality at play here. It is unfair in one way that Barak and other leaders may take the rap, while those egging them on and demanding results, regardless of morality or methods, remain at large as virulent war crimes deniers. T'was ever thus I suppose.

bibi has brilliant lawyers to advise him. all he needs to do is to take each lie from goldstone report and respond to it. idf has goos records and unbiased eye witnesses. why will the brave bibi and barak and libi not respond to the report line by line with idf documents and witnesses. israeli government begged to give their evidence but the bad evil goldstone refused to hear their evidence and refuse to go to sderot. his ruwanda and bosnia work was also an anti-semetic act which bibi lawyers can proove..

Is Israel for Peace?

``300+ dead kiddies`` (Written by JohnBOY) JohnBOY Plus how many JohnBOY If you had some sense of dignity you would check According to the Raw Data of Palestinian Center for Human Rights The Number of children and youth under the age of 17 whom died in the war were 271 Less then 300 not more And No, it doesn`t makes things less tragic! According to the Palestinian Center for Human Rights, Some of the 17 and 16 year olds participated in the fighting, That is CLEARLY STATED next to the names of killed! According to the Raw Data of Palestinian Center for Human Rights Out of 1414 names listed as killed in Gaza 19.2% are children and adolescents under the age of 17 60.3% are between ages 17 to 35 20.5% are over age 35 By the way the 1414 names listed as killed in Gaza They include probably 100++++ Palestinians that had been executed by Hamas during the war, Sadly, the honorable Goldie did not investigate their death, But why bother if Israel is to blame for their death too!

who are the ones continuing their building of illegal settlements in the west bank? How many palestinian 'settlements' have been built within Israel? Zionists are good at spreading lies... just look at the motto of the Mossad? Further proof that the Qur'an is the word of Allah and the truth... Only Allah (swt) could know 1400 years prior that a certain class of people would be so active in spreading falsehoods and lies, seeking to break the Muslim's spirit.

goldstone has proven once again that he is a politician, not a jurist.

I wish and hope there will be two states, at peace. Does anyone really believe there is a Palestinian partner capable of controlling Hamas or any other violent extremist element that would kill anyone (Palestinian) making peace with Israel. We've seen how many Fatah they've killed in Gaza. I hope and pray that will change, but it does not look like we are close to that time.

"I despise the idea of firing missles from Gaza into Israel, but what choice did these people have?"Ibrahim "Ummmm -- NOT firing rockets into Israel?" sdhd seems like your terrorists might have taken your advice---or does it not apply to them????.

players on the subject. One Schlomo Ben Ami---the FM at those talks---heere is what he had to say abiut Israel,s approach to peace negotiating. "Tactical shortcomings were by not,of course, a Palestinian monopoly.Barak and his team were full of them.For example, the Primeminister was too slow to grasp the centrality of the issue of Jerusalem at this conference and was therefore unprepared for the far reaching concessions that were required.Nor were Barak,s bargaining positions on the territorila issue reasonable enough to be seen by the Palestinians as credible.To start as he did, with a proposal of a Palestinian State on 66 per cent of the West Bank in ordeer to offer later at Camp David 87 per cent and not reject ut of hand Clinton,s proposals at the summit of 91 per centWas an indication to the Palestinians that he did not really have red lines.Baraks negotiating tactics were a standing invitation to the Palestinians to keep the pressure on the Israelis and never say yes to what Bark liked to call his "Generous Proposals". The question of Israel,s unreasonable point of departure for negotiations with potential Arab interlocaturs, whether Palestinians,Syrians or Egyptians, is of far reaching significance.Israel,s unrealistic bargaining positions failed to convince the Arabs of the seriousness of her professed quest for peace and only invited them to never accept an Israeli as final The Israeli internal discourse on the price of peace has therefore always been an excerise in wishful thinking and self deceipt, not least of course with regard to the Palestinian question. Schlomo Ben Ami---Baraks FM from his book,"Scars of War, Wounds of Peace" pages 250/251.

Many british towns were under attack and the british knew who lived where and could have taken a 2000 lb bomb and dropped it on any number of houses where IRA leaders lived. They did not because it is a war crime to kill innocents because you want to get revenge on one person. The difference is that the British are considerably more civilised than your lot. So squawk all you want---Mr Cummings is getting to you---that is obvious from the tone of your responses---you are getting increasingly more insulting when you run out of credible responses but then that is your normal MO. Remember, Israel behaves like a uncivilised outlaw and that is what has it in such dire straits. It is not going to get any better---au contraire. And I have not even mentioned the Bombs thrown into Markets by the Jewish terrorist gangs ---Irgun/stern and Lehi. Try not to make your terrorists look angelic---they are no different than the worst Hamas operative.

"Ummmm -- NOT firing rockets into Israel?" And then, what? Permanent servitude to the good graces of the Jewish state? Permanent seige with regular sonic boom sorties to insure the people remain sufficiently scared? The world does not revolve around the security of Israel. Security is a mutual thing.

Well, let's see, we have Dennis Ross, an ex AIPAC official....are we to believe him? Well, we have Clinton, the man who famously declared: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" Let me be completely fair, though: Arafat and his cronies were more than incompetent in the fine art of negotiating with a rejectionist-occupation power....they failed miserably...

So how do you suggest they fight back against the occupation the Israeli public has continuously voted for?

There are far too few of Goldstone's type in Tel Aviv these days

"I despise the idea of firing missles from Gaza into Israel, but what choice did these people have?" Ummmm -- NOT firing rockets into Israel?

"Israel`s rejection of peace with the Palestinians is the primary reason they find themselves in this mess." According to the key players during the Clinton negotiations, it was the Palestinians who rejected peace.

"There were 30 times more civilians killed than Hamas rockets achieved in Sederot. And that`s before talking about the 2,000+ civilian bomb deaths in N Ireland." You didn't have a single town under siege for 8 straight years. You didn't have as many civilians blown up as Israel had. Hamas didn't limit themselves to rockets. "So what is your point exactly?" Smart people know my point is that Israel was bombed for 8 years straight from Gaza and that the combatants didn't distinguish themselves. Further, Israel had a right to stop the aggression against it. "If the UK had followed the Israeli model, it would have shelled Derry and sod the civilian death toll." If you were smarter, you'd realize that the situations in Gaza and N. Ireland are both very, very different. N. Ireland is part of the UK and UK forces are entrenched there and can enter areas at will. The same can't be said for Gaza -- just ANOTHER distinction. Feel free to continue with your futile equivocations.

Noone ever promised Israel they could withdraw from a territorry, say Gaza...but continue to blockade this territory, bomb it on occasion, not allow "pasta" in because it is not considered "essential" to life.... ...and somehow not have the people of this territory respond negatively in some way. I despise the idea of firing missles from Gaza into Israel, but what choice did these people have? As Dov Wiesglass said so eloquently: the withdrawal from Gaza was meant to kill the peace process...and the Gazans would not starve, but be put on a diet.... Don't be silly and please don't whine to the world about your security problems.

Israel's rejection of peace with the Palestinians is the primary reason they find themselves in this mess. The Israelis voted in Likud. The Likud charter clearly states they are 100% against a free and independent Palestinian State. That is what the people of Israel voted for. What are the Palestinians to do? Accept permanent stateless status? Fight for their right to independence? Fight for the right to be equal citizens in ONE STATE? Israel could have averted the Gaza War by negotiating peace based on fair comprimise. This means dismantling most of the settlements, giving up the Jordan Valley, sharing Jerusalem. The Likud Charter clearly states they would not agree to any of these principles.... There you have it.

Britain had 30 years of bombs on the mainland. Remember the centre of Manchester being destroyed, the front being blown off the CU building in the City, killing of the R Signals band, bombing of the Grand Hotel where Margaret Thatcher was injured and several killed, etc., etc? There were 30 times more civilians killed than Hamas rockets achieved in Sederot. And that's before talking about the 2,000+ civilian bomb deaths in N Ireland. So what is your point exactly? If the UK had followed the Israeli model, it would have shelled Derry and sod the civilian death toll. Thankfully, the Government would not authorise such a war crime, the military commanders carry it out or the courts forgive it. The issue is about what red lines, if any, pertain in Israel. The civilian death was way too high to be on the Richter scale of collateral damage. All I have heard so far are evasions, justifications and attacks, not a single valid defence that would cut the mustard at a courts martial.

"SDHD, Israel is not the first country to have to fight an insurgency you know. " Which other country had 8 years of rocket attacks launched against it (from civilian areas into civilian areas) and was able to stop those attacks without killing any civilians? "Under 300 civilians (or under 70, depending who you believe) were killed by the army and police in 30 years of counter-insurgency warfare in N Ireland." Cool. How many rockets were launched from N. Ireland into England? How many tunnels were dug beneath civilian homes? How many churches were used to house munitions? How many Londoners were blown up while enjoying a day out? "The difference is how the armed forces go about handling it. " There are quite a few more differences between Israel and N. Ireland, if you used a bit more brain power, you'd probably be able to list a few dozen. How long did Britain have N. Ireland under their thumb? Hundreds of years?

fight an insurgency you know. Under 300 civilians (or under 70, depending who you believe) were killed by the army and police in 30 years of counter-insurgency warfare in N Ireland. 1,100 were killed in 12 days in Gaza. The difference is how the armed forces go about handling it. The former required courage - nearly 2,000 soldiers and police lost their lives - caution, respect for human lives and patience. The latter appeared to involve a firepower blitz on a civilian town, the citizens of which were not permitted safe conduct to the rear before hostilities commenced. There are ways and ways of fighting insurgents, but Cast Lead is not going to make it into the military tactics manuals as one of them. It might make it to the Hague though.

If, as it now appears, Israel finds it impossible to defend itself from any territory that it vacates which later is used by terrorists to launch rockets... then why... for the life of Moses... should Israel even consider taking the "risk" of leaving ANY territory in exchange for a supposed peace? The answer is... Israel cannot! In another 60 years of building in the west bank all this talk about palestine will be over. Mexico does not talk of Texas and California (which was theirs. west bank is NOT palestinians - and never was - it is "disputed" land according to the UN and lost to Israel by 6 wars of aggression). Thank you GOLDSTONE - and inconvenient ally!

"The IDF has killed far more Palestinian children than Israeli children have been so much as scratched by a Pal." If you do a tiny bit of homework, you'll find that the Palestinians are one of the very few armed groups on your planet who actually use children in armed conflicts. Does that bother you in any way? Does it bother you that the Palestinians launch attacks at Israeli civilians from within their own civilian population? Are Israelis not supposed to do anything about attacks against them because the Palestinians use their civilians as human shields?

Where was he during all those years? He was having a life and dealing with more important things. Put in the perspective of apartheid in South Africa and similar things, the few civilians killed in Israel are quite small potatoes. I realize you work on the theory that my toothache hurts more than your cancer because it is hurting ME, but the rest of the world doesn't necessarily agree.

With his report , wether there is or not any truth in it's contents, Goldstone is harming Israel. By acting in that way, he's joining a list of people betraying the Jewish people. It's a sad example of galut mentality at its worse, the Jew trying to please the current fashion; Israel bashing

"As I recall, the Jewish forces fighting the British pre-1948 did not wear uniforms and did fight near civilians. Do you similarly condemn them? if not, what`s the difference?" One very notable difference is pre and post Geneva Conventions. Hamas has had plenty of time to put together uniforms with insignia to distinguish themselves, haven't they? Here is another very obvious difference. Jewish forces weren't given exclusive autonomy over their own territory, only to use it as a rocket-launching platform (into civilian areas) for 8 years. And one more difference... The Jews, until the mid 1930s, had been regularly attacked by the Arabs in the region for 16 years by that point.

It would take real idiocy for him to move to Sderot. Why would a person living on an international level move to the end of nowhere?

As I recall, the Jewish forces fighting the British pre-1948 did not wear uniforms and did fight near civilians. Do you similarly condemn them? if not, what's the difference?

"You mean that Israel went to war with an enemy they couldn`t even distinguish on the battlefield?" It's not Israel's fault that the combatants didn't distinguish themselves, genius. "What were the soldiers meant to be looking for, a man with a gun or anyone with a beard and a dishdash?" So, if a force attacks a country, but doesn't distinguish themselves as combatants, the country isn't allowed to do anything about it? What planet are you on? "No wonder the civilian casualties were so high." Instead of blaming Israel, blame the terrorists who chose to launch a war but also chose not to fight conventionally.

"Has an allegation of war or humanitarian crimes been lodged with the UN by an involved party from Sri Lanka, Congo or Chechnya? Not that I`ve heard but you may know better. They won`t act unless a case is made you know" : A bit strange that none of these nations have lobbied for an investigation. Well take a look at UN rights commission and you will get your answer. You and others on here whom suggest A) no political motive in the Gaza investigation B)No biasness ( look at the countries on this kangaroo committe) are guilty of the same crime as they are and that is moral hypocrisy and probably something more sinister.

Commission or not,his title is supposed to be: JUDGE. You accept my prognosis or not makes no difference whatever.And said ao. I should weigh your words correctly because you are a misguided individual pretending what I did not include,there was no justification to include "commission".My ommission was apt.

SDHD, you say: 'The military objective was to stop the rocket fire from Gaza, perpetrated by the elected government of Gaza, who`s combatants again -- did not distinguish themselves.' You mean that Israel went to war with an enemy they couldn't even distinguish on the battlefield? What were the soldiers meant to be looking for, a man with a gun or anyone with a beard and a dishdash? No wonder the civilian casualties were so high.

that Liberman's is a true , intelligent, pragmactic, and realistic leader who wasn't born yesterday, and will never let the State of Israel being robbed.

You ' dont see the UN Rights Commission or Goldstone screaming at the roof tops for an investigation'. We have already dealt with Goldstone's role!: individuals CAN'T call for investigations, only governments and organisations can. It is NOT Goldstone's job to become a self-appointed withfinder-General for the world's war crimes. Has an allegation of war or humanitarian crimes been lodged with the UN by an involved party from Sri Lanka, Congo or Chechnya? Not that I've heard but you may know better. They won't act unless a case is made you know. They are currently finishing up on Sudan/Darfur so one of these will probably be next in line.

"When there is "armed conflict" there are: a) people who engage in the fight, b) people who do not engage in the fight" Those who engage in the fight are required to distinguish themselves. "The latter are "protected persons", and you CAN NOT punish them for the indiscretions of the former." The Geneva Conventions allow for civilian casualties based on a proportion in relation to a military objective. The military objective was to stop the rocket fire from Gaza, perpetrated by the elected government of Gaza, who's combatants again -- did not distinguish themselves.

Peace would include to be less "heroic", the economy would have to change anyway, wouldnt it?

"how many dead israeli kiddies before you people notice?" You've got a lot of gall saying this. The IDF has killed far more Palestinian children than Israeli children have been so much as scratched by a Pal. In fact, I'd be willing to bet a large sum that if accurate totals could be assessed, the IDF killed more Pal children in Cast Lead alone than Pals have killed Israeli kids since 1948. It is you Zionist Extremists that ignore the massive suffering and injury inflicted daily on Palestinian children in both Gaza and the WB. These idiotic Qassams you keep whining about -- which I absolutely condemn - have killed less than 25 Israelis over 8 years. I dont know how many were children, but it could not begin to approach the number of Pal kids killed in Cast Lead. Is there any number of Pal children whose deaths would bother you?

Please dont insult my intelligence its quite evident this investigation was a politically motivated one. Rwanda and Bosnia events were tantamount to genocide an investigation was warranted. Sri Lanka, Tibet, the Congo, Chechnaya and other serious legitimate crimes have long been going well before the Gaza operation and has killed tens of thousands people. I dont see the UN Rights Commission or Goldstone screaming at the roof tops for an investigation.

Lieberman and Netanyahu were not elected because they had a vision for Israel and the ability to implement that vision. Instead they were elected because they could leverage fear and pander to zealots. Their long term political survival is dependent on continued incitement of a few Palestinians who may react and then exploiting the fears of Israelis for security. The IDF and settlers help in the incitement process. Longer term the Israeli zealots have plans for expansion and "transfer" of Palestinians so that they can restore the ancient kingdom of Israel no matter what may be the human costs for the Palestinians. Those are the very reasons that the Goldstone Report must be tabled and ignored. It interferes with the tactical plans of Lieberman and Netanyahu.

The jury decides.In this instance,Goldstone became "judge and jury".Unheared off in any real democratic country. says Judge, who claims to know these things. A commission is NOT a court, Judge. It is a fact-finding inquiry, no more. The commission decides if they think there is a case to answer and, if so, refers it on to the appropriate authorities. (In this case, the UNHRC-UNGA-UNSC-ICC). There is no jury involved or needed, it is not a hearing or trial but a preliminary examination of evidence. Additionally, any chairman of a commission must look at the wider context of the crime, as indeed will a criminal court judge. This included Hamas provocation and alleged Israeli collective punishment of civilians. These only arise because there is NOT peace between the two parties and Goldstone would be remiss if he did not factor that in and ask: why not? Lieberman kindly provided the answer. Goldstone played it by the book throughout and your criticism doesn't wash at all.

Goldstone has done untold harm to the Jewish people. Our history is replete with false prophets, slanderers, opportunists who feed the antagonists of the Jewish people. We can only hope that his views will be relegated to the dustbin of history.

You ask of Goldstone: "If you are concerned about human rights, why are you not launching an investigation in Sri Lanka, or the Congo, or Tibet or Chechnya?" The UN, UNHRC or courts launch investigations, not individuals like Goldstone, you or me. If the organisation concludes that a complaint has substance, it appoints a commission who appoint a judge or chairman to conduct the investigation. Goldstone had already done Rwanda and Bosnia war crimes very successfully* so one can hardly accuse him of not doing his bit to hammer the modern war criminals. * Bosnian Serb Gen. Galic was given 20 years for commanding the troops who killed Sarajevo civilians by indiscriminate shelling and sniper fire, which was a salutary warning to other governments, alas not always heeded.

What a talented man this Judge is indeed! He has a great future ahead of him in the UN.

Until America stops appeasing Likud things will only get worse. Unfortunately most Israelis are deluded thinking of themselves as innocenta nd as victims and heroes.

civilian losses Jasper. Yet... 1,100 dead civilians/non-combatants and only 300 insurgents killed? Something wrong there surely? Normally you'd expect 90%+ insurgent and single figure civilian casualties, and the latter ONLY if the fighting had been very upfront and personal. To be followed by an immediate and searching inquiry throughout the battalion by plainclothes military police. The figures speak for themselves. No former serviceman would have any doubts about what they say. Whatever happened, it was the polar opposite of minimising civilian deaths. It looks like the result of a callous, punitive set of ROE. It sure needs examination by a criminal court.

... Charters do? But goldstone isn't bias, it's not like everything he says can go two ways yet it always goes against israel. Good on world you found another anti Zionist Jew to exploit against Jews just add them to the list, a list that we as Jews do not place under fatwa because people are entitled to opinions even if they are controversial and often wrong

Very simple, by checking their ID on their bodies and also the change of clothes in the vicinity, etc etc. You have a lot to learn about the IDF military intelligence strategy. That is a special department by itself. No offence.

Best thing for Israel's Premier,is to ignore him as best he can. This man surely must have other occupation versus other countries.Why obsess with Israel alone.Don't think it is for love of it,doesn't sound such to me.Mere propagandizing to gain kudos from some quarters?no doubt about it. My summation for what is worth people.

The jury decides.In this instance,Goldstone became "judge and jury".Unheared off in any real democratic country. Belive it or not I am a true Judge,but,I'd rather be elsewhere than communicate on silly Goldston making flimsy accusations.

Peter I've watched your posts for some time. Years actually. You have many fine things to say and in some I concur. I?m also an Australian from Melbourne. Not Jewish but somehow an Israeli and a former IDF soldier. I wish I could be as sure of things as you seem to be but I have lived in Israel some 30 years and I find it hard to see the woods from the trees. Goldstone is a Zionist! We should be proud of him. I got p***ed with him one evening maybe 10 years ago when he spoke in Jerusalem with Justice Ahron Barak, who was at the time the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, about the establishment of the International Criminal Court in Den Haag. I asked him after he evaded many questions on the international status of Jerusalem whether he was more Jew than Jurist. Barak, on his behalf, redirected questions. I watched and in a small way participated in the Goldstone Report and all along I knew this was the answer to my question to him. Jew or Jurist? The Report is flawed I agree. But I stand in reverence to a man who struggled with what he saw and examined. There is truth in it and we must learn from it or the future will much resemble the past. G_d forbid! For me Richard Goldstone is both Jew and Jurist. As in Govender?s case where he was the mench!

Best he allowed to howl at the moon. Israel fought the war that hamas wanted. Goldstone needs to investigate Shalits captivity and hamas rockets. If there were no rockets from hamas there would not have been the need for Cast Lead. And, hamas declared a victory. Hamas fortold of a Stalingrad for Israel-did not happen. Goldstone can feel sorry for hamas all he wants....

and in any war there are casualties, destruction of buildings. If Gaza sends rockets for years, knows Israel's might in the previous wars, but continues anyway & embed themselves in the population centers, then Gaza is guilty for the destruction & death. They could have taken the fact that israelis were removed from Gaza, left them the tools to be prosperous & develop their territories. Instead they hold by their charters that all Israel will come back to them sooner or later, including Tel Aviv where you live.

a peace advocate, in fact he should get the Noble prize. OK... Happy Now ??

Goldstone destroys his own credibility by even discussing peace. Hamas threw the "first stone" or rocket in this tragedy. A search of Wikipedia for Goldstone a few months ago downplays his Jewish heritage. It implied that he was a non-practicing Jew which has many implications rightfully or not. An updated version highlights him being Jewish. Wikipedia and Google are "pay to play" sites. Who paid for the updated version?

Goldstone's charge was to investigate possible war crimes in during a 12 day stretch in Gaza beginning in December 2008. He choose to include gratuitous comments about Jerusalem and the West Bank in his written report. Since then he has taken it upon himself to defend his motivation and findings to Jewish groups. Recently he spoke of his moral obligation as a Jew to investigate alleged Israeli war crimes. Now he wants to comment on a peace process he wants implemented. He needs to act like a judge. Show up at the Hague buddy and soberly convict Israel if you wish . Stop the self-serving public condemnation campaign.

It should be quite evident now by the Goldstone's remarks that this investigation was led by a political motive not by a real concern for human life. Mr. Goldstone naively thought that by investigating war crimes and trumping up alleged charges he would force the Israelis into making a hasty peace with the Palestinians. Well Mr. Goldstone you are as they in Israel a "friar" or in English a sucker. If you are concerned about human rights why are you not launching an investigation in Sri Lanka, or the Congo, or Tibet or Chechnya, Why not Mr. Goldstone? I thought you were a man concerned about Human rights and justice. Truth is your not! Your a tool used the UN Human Rights commission to delegitimize Israel.

No need for the rudeness. I am saying that under the circumstances insisted upon by Hamas, IDF showed considerable care in minimizing civilian losses. You obviously have not been in battle, or you would understand.

What is it that the parties are to negotiate about? The Palestinians and the Jewish far-leftists assume vast concessions that are rejected by most Jews, left and right. Abbas says he rejected Jerusalem Arab neighbourhoods from Olmert. Who is going to offer him more? It doesn't take a Leiberman to tell us that any peace process would be a sham. The only purpose of talks is the Western hope that this will delay Palestinian violence.

The Israeli society has continuously voted for occupation and suppression of the Palestinian people. Hence according to your logic they are all justified targets of Palestine resistance. Bam! You just made Qassams legitimate.

A judge should be impartial until the jury is in and the vedict is given. Therefore:Jury is in,and the verdict against Goldstone is: Guilty as charged Case Closed Court in recess

because Goldstone is Jewish and his daughter lives in Israel. He has no excuse to lie. What he said should be regarded as 100% true. Among Israelis, only the settler gangs will deny his findings. Israelis, who reject his views are those who won't ever learn to accept justice and humanity to non-jews.

Big surprise

So why is Lieberman different?

the man was brought into the bibi Gov just for this purpose only and that is to kill any chance for peace, he took the liberty to make that known not when he got elected but when he was born!!!!!

Michael, Why do you blame Israel and not HAMAS. While HAMAS is the agressor by launching day in day out rockets to Israel, you are blaming Israel for the killing of the childs. What is your projection if Israel would not do the GAZA operation? Why today there is silence in the south? If Israel would not do the GAZA operation today the Sderot and the Ashkelon people were going to live in shelters like they did before. They are living in freedom in NOW. Aby

I totaly agree and your post could not have been put more accurately. Judaism is based on sound and humane teachings and practices. As a young Arab American grwoing in the US years ago, I have nothing to say but praise about Jews who adhere to the teachings of Judaism. Once thing I shall never forget and will always practice in my life, is the caring way I was always treated with by my Jewish brothers and sisters. Same goes to Moslems who apply and adhere to the true teachings of Islam, not the Taliban and Bin laden's versions.

So you think that the IDF is OK because instead of killing 1.5 million people, they killed only 1400? What a weird set of morals you have, sicko!

As long as there are Israeli settlements on the wrong side of the green line, no one should have go to Israel.

The one that was just about to start in earnest before Goldstone released his report. Yes, I have it on good authority that Lieberman was going to send Abu Mazen a dozen red roses on the very day the report was referred to the UN. Netanyahu was readying the plans for the post peace agreement celebration activities whilst posting the cheque for services rendered to Abu Mazen and really this could not have come at a worse time. Oh well, I suppose Israel will have to just go back to road blocking, wall building, community dividing, land expropriating, settlement expanding amd other assorted bellicose measures associated with 40 years of occupation. Goldstone, you've ruined everything!

QUOTE: "there were no proceeding at which he could have drawn any conclusions as to whether there was a hamas presence ? what strict proof was presented to him ?? just allegations unproven by any method !" Would exactly the same not apply for the IDF ? They claimed, most people they killed in cast lead, were Hamas. So, HOW COULD THEY TELL ? Especially, in the case of killed children ? What "strict proof" was presented to the IDF ? Or were there just allegations "unproven by any method" ? Just calm down and think about it.....

How many of you believe that Lieberman is honestly interested in starting a peace process?? A simple YES or NO would suffice, thanks.

What sort of jurist, after rendering an "opinion", goes on to talk about those that he has investigated? All this shows is that he had a particular political view which informed his opinion. This reflects a pre-disposition state of mind which of course destroys the integrity of his judgement and the integrity of his review of the Gaza operation. Setting aside his opinions, I'm shocked by the non-judicial behaviour of this "jurist". He seems to think its all about him.

When you talk about the land that the Israeli's "flinched" from the "pals", would that be the land that Israel won in the war in a defensive war with Egypt and Jordan? The land that they won fighting the Arab armies who invaded them after the accepted the two-state UN partition in 1948? Or, was it the land that the Israeli's PURCHASED from the Arabs? It doesn't seem much flinching was going on here and if there was, it certainly wasn't from the Palestinians.

P: "Gazans themselves voted, support and lie for Hamas," J: Even the 300+ dead kiddies, Paul? Their mothers and fathers voted. The sole one to blame is their mothers and fathers Johnboy. Before the war the boys were prepared to fight. Hamas's top war teorician Rantisi send his own childs to the roof when he get an alert that his house would get bombed. Not only Rantisi as well as all HAMAS rulers give orders to their child to make shield themselves, hoping to save their lives. I'm asking this question what would you do if you get an alert that your house will be bombed in a few minutes in the middle of the war? Do you give a order to your childs to protect yourself or get out of the house ASAP? He sacrifice his child with no use. If he would get out of his house when he got the alert he would saved his own childs and today this childs were alive. There will be no wars when they would care for their childs, when their mentality would change to protect their own childs life.

.... that IDF's goal was to deliberately kill as many Gazans as possible is this: IDF is entirely capable of reducing every square inch of Gaza to rubble in a few hours, killing everybody. There would have been no reason to go into Gaza at all.

Hamas states clearly in its charter that it seeks the total destruction of Israel. I suppose, in twisted way, that would bring about peace in our time. But I do not think it is the sort of peace any Israeli would wish.

Goldstone represents that part of the Jewish people most respected and most respectworthy. Before learning of and seeing Israeli crimes, I always associated Jews with scholarship, including deep self-examination, racial equality and justice. In the US, Jews have been in the forefront of virtually every progressive movement, including the early labor movement, civil rights and civil liberties. Even now, I find some of the most honest and meticulous scholarship in the works of Jewish authors, even about Zionism and Israeli history (eg, Thomas Friedman, Nahum Goldman). I am thus greatly saddened to see a great man who has faced the horrible truth of his own people's crimes treated like a pariah. Nobody believes the lies anymore. Israel's only refuge, however painful in the short run, is in the truth. Listen to Goldstone and live up to your stated ideals.

of times.

The one that was just about to start in earnest before Goldstone released his report. Yes, I have it on good authority that Lieberman was going to send Abu Mazen a dozen red roses on the very day the report was referred to the UN. Netanyahu was readying the plans for the post peace agreement celebration activities whilst posting the cheque for services rendered to Abu Mazen and really this could not have come at a worse time. Oh well, I suppose Israel will have to just go back to road blocking, wall building, community dividing, land expropriating, settlement expanding amd other assorted bellicose measures associated with 40 years of occupation. Goldstone, you've ruined everything!

Goldstone has a credibility problem, since he was parachuted in only after 8 years of Palestinian war crimes prompted an Israeli military operation. Yes, Goldstone himself concluded that Palestinian attacks on Israeli civilians are indeed war crimes. The obviously question is where has Goldstone been the past 40 years (and more) during which both Hamas and Fatah had policies of carrying out attacks on Israeli civilians? Goldstone's conclusion leaves no doubt that all Palestinian attacks on Israeli civilians are war crimes, so where was he? Why was Goldstone silent during decades of Palestinian war crimes? Why is he choosing to be so vocal now when it's obvious he is simply being reactionary to the pro-Palestinian lobby?

And long after Liebermann stated himself (Reuters, Haaretz) that 'there will be no peace'.

"Goldstone is going on the assumption that collective punishment is wrong. Regardling Gaza it is not wrong, Gazans themselves voted, support and lie for Hamas, as willing participants in the Hamas` campaign to destroy Israel" Israelis voted for Olmert's government that conducted killed hundreds of civilians in Lebanon 2 and Cast Lead. They've also voted for Bibi and Lieberman, not exactly the most pro-peace government Israel has ever had. Presumably you'd think it was perfectly legitimate for the Pals to collectively punish Israel now, with some terrorism. Although, you'd presumably regard it not as terrorism, but as legitimate military action?

Its important that the world can see that decent Jews exist. It is important to differentiate between Isreal and Jews in general. Most decent Jews are troubled by the massacre of 1,400 Palestinians in the Gaza ghetto. Not so hard-hearted Israelis

I fear your truths are being ignored, perhaps because the fool can't answer you. Shalom.

the left wing American Jews are the most dangerous ones out there, their dream is to shoot themselves in the foot. Life is too comfy , maybe they should check the history books if they cant read the Torah.

They are terrible people. That is how you lost Turkey. (This is an office joke) They are just the opposite of Obama and his people.

... in so many forums, so often, that he himself makes further interviews redundant... ... Lieberman favors declarations... not wasting his time on I-and-thou in depth consultations... ... in any case, Israel has recently been more interested in muzzling him than encouraging him to pontify in embarrassing venues...

The new Hague regulations must have to consider this asimetric warfare. It cant go on like that. You can not use your own childs as warriors. This is a great irony Arafat's famous saying was I am proud of my Palie childs. They are my young generals. HAMAS and He has no strategic plan other then using their own childs their own civlians. This is the mentality, the childs are the strategic pawns, when they make war hoping to fool the world. Aby

... it wasn't just hearsay... it was hardly self-inflicted by the women and children... so who was the culprit, and how was such unusual devastation inflicted on so many, in so short a time...?! ...an 'express-war', no pondering involved...

And of course Lieberman and this government but they hate whom believe in peace and try to do something in this direction like is J-street organization.

the real truth is that Liberman is irrelevant - peace requires concessions and the Faust report makes it impossible for Israel to make concessions - its as simple as that

"When there is "armed conflict" there are: a) people who engage in the fight b) people who do not engage in the fight The latter are "protected persons", and you CAN NOT punish them for the indiscretions of the former. " Yes exactly like that, if you know so much tell us in the middle of the battle field, how are you going to separate the people who is engaged in fight or not? Certainly you know very well that HAMAS fighters does not wear any uniform. I know your likes, this is the proven truth, if you were in the battle field you will kill much more than us. If you run for your life your likes don't think to much. Britain police is the evindence. Hague Regulations and other Conventions have been written in 1940's that does not answer the needs of today. It was written about two armies that ware uniforms. Long time has past. This is an asimetric warfare. There is a need that these regulations have to be regulated again. Aby

"Let me immediately refute with every conviction I can muster the mischievous and untruthful suggestion that there was any Hamas presence anywhere near the places near where we interviewed witnesses," Goldstone said. How on earth can he recognize Hamas people? They don't have any distinguishing features. This is a very stupid statement. The IDF had the same problem of course. I'm less and less impressed with this Goldstane guy.

Goldstone is just repeating Lieberman's own words: namely for the US and all to live with the fact that there "will be no peace here" - as reported e.g. by Reuters, 8 Oct 2009 as well as in Haaretz

....when Judge Goldstone speaks about a former bouncer turned diplomat, Lieberman. (lie is his nickname) The judge is dignifying him when he does that.

goldstone digs himself deeper in the mire with ever idiotic excuse he now tenders ! his report is a legal travesty which would be thrown out by any reasonable and independent tribunal as fraud posing as truth !

Real guts would involve him moving his family to Sderot and living with the consequences.

... since you seem so in-the-know about what ALL Gazans really want...

Goldstone statement about Lieberman is inappropriate for a judge. You do not take sides if you are to judge a case. This is simply another evidence of his partiality in issuing Gaza report. Lieberman had nothing to do with it. Meadeast peace process would end up in an agreement long time ago if not for Arafat and his thugs.

Goldstone is saying openly what a lot of western politicians think, but are too polite or scared to say. He's not an enemy of Israel. He's a Zionist. He just wants to be realistic about modern Israel, about its bad points, as well as its good points. Because ultimately peace can only be made with the real Israel, not the angelic fantasy created by AIPAC and fellow travellers around the world. Mind you, I hope for his sake he has a spotless private and business life. There are large numbers of fans of Israel out there, desperate to discredit him now. I hope he's not been collecting WW2 German badges or anything!

"Let me immediately refute with every conviction I can muster the mischievous and untruthful suggestion that there was any Hamas presence anywhere near the places near where we interviewed witnesses," Goldstone said. "It just isn't true - had it been so, I would have found it completely unacceptable. He is really nuts to believe that a place like Gaza is not dominated in all its day to day life by Hamas politics of killing anyone not in accordance with their goals, charters, ways of life, influence. Gaza is definitely not Tel Aviv, Europe or the US where you can say anything without fearing for your life. It shows Goldstone does not know anything about the palestinians or the middle east and was put in this postion to further Hamas' interpretation of the Gaza war. Again, how naive!!!

not content with being a corrupt Jurist, he now gets involved in cheap politics.

and fought away from civillians ? how many dead israeli kiddies before you people notice?

the famous humanitarians of the unhrc chose to ignore any condemnation of them

He finally drops the pretense of being a jurist and with his own mouth demonstrates that he is merely a far leftist politician.

P: "Goldstone is going on the assumption that collective punishment is wrong." *sigh* Read your Hague Regulations. Read your Geneva Conventions. When there is "armed conflict" there are: a) people who engage in the fight b) people who do not engage in the fight The latter are "protected persons", and you CAN NOT punish them for the indiscretions of the former. That is strictly forbidden. Consider this: if the Israelis do, indeed, investigate and find - shock! horror! - that Goldstone was right and the IDF committed war crimes then: a) are Hamas now entitled to attack Israeli civilians, or b) are they not? After all, over 90% of the Israeli civilian popln expressed their approval of Cast Lead, and so by YOUR OWN ARGUMENT that will have made them fair game for Hamas reprisals.... P: "Gazans themselves voted, support and lie for Hamas," Even the 300+ dead kiddies, Paul?

"there was any Hamas presence anywhere near the places near where we interviewed witnesses"... How this unfortunate can pretend to identify who's Hamas and who is not? Because he visited Gaza for few hours? This statement exposes his arrogancy and self-admire better than any other analysis

his judicial level evidence on Gaza.?

Whatever he achieved previously in his life will be forever overshadowed by this filthy "report".

First of all, there is no real peace-process and there hasn't been one for quite a while now. But ofcourse Goldstone is right. The likes of Lieberman prefer the current status quo! It is so very convenient for Israel. It will be hard for it to accept anything else!

Goldstone is going on the assumption that collective punishment is wrong. Regardling Gaza it is not wrong, Gazans themselves voted, support and lie for Hamas, as willing participants in the Hamas' campaign to destroy Israel. It just when their plans fail, and they have to face punishment from Israel for their crimes, that they cry victims. Goldstone is as biased as they get. Every principal he derives is flawed, and is only applied to Israel and not all the truly murderous regimes of Africa and Arab nations.

The man simply tells us what he thinks is the truth. To me he does not seem a man who is easily fooled or has an unbalanced view. I cannot believe Hamas and Fatah are really happy with the report.

this is a disgraceful statement" if i had found it so" there were no proceeding at which he could have drawn any conclusions as to whether there was a hamas presence ? what strict proof was presented to him ?? just allegations unproven by any method !

... he is like the small boy who declared that the emperor-has-no-clothes... ... for the likes of Lieberman, the so-called peace-process is synonomous with Israel giving back territory that it has filched from the Pals, which is utterly unthinkable...