Germany agrees to open Holocaust records for use by historians, survivors

Hey Sam I wouldn't be a suicide bomber either, but this issue has to do with Germany and the Jews. But do you have to knock Arabs and Iranians. The only suicide bombers that we hear about the ones that have been occupied for 60 yrs. Your kind cant do anything to the Germans for what they did to your family so you think its Ok to take it out on Arabs. If it was not for the Germans we would not have such a problem in the mid east. You seem to me you do not want to associat with arabs but you want to claim their homes as yours. PS Arabs can be christians,jews or Muslims. The ones that do suicide are miss guided, and should not be classified as if all Arabs are like them. Anyway maybe one day the Israelis will come around, open up the records and give money to the Palistinians. Nukes should not be in any ones hands. If Isreal ever used its nukes the world would go nuts, and we would see antijewish attitudes world wide. By the way semitic includes the Arabs Darling. Shalom!

You really are a very careless, or dishonest person. The article specifically talks of 17 million Jewish and other victims of Nazism.

"We Don`t Blame The Children For The Sins Of Their Parents!" - Sam the Sham Shows you how religion and morality has changed. God certainly saw it differently in the past. "Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children?s children, unto the third and to the fourth generation." - Exodus 34:7 "Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me," - Deuteronomy 5:9 When I look at the plight of the Israelis and Palestinians; I wonder if God /Allah is still punishing "unto the third and forth generation."

"We have to thank Ahmadinejad for forcing the German`s hand. I bet the Holocaust Industrialist are having a fit" - Anoosh I doubt if he was responsible, but if he was it shows that even the most vexing of men can - if only inadvertently - do something useful. I think you are wrong, it will be the Holocaust deniers who will be squelched, or should I say squashed under the many miles - and tons - of documents.

"Can you be more careful with your information. The title refers to 17 million Jews. There were less than that number in the German occupied teritories." - Gabrielle Jews sometimes forget that far more people than just Jews were targets of the work and death camps. It is unclear (and perhaps these records will help resolve the ambiguity) whether Jews outnumbered the other victims or not. Jews were certainly the largest group of victims.

link by somebody at least as polish as you're You're one of those jealoús ones,vying for the "first place in suffering".If you could build a time-machine,go ahead,replace fate of Jews during the WW2 with polish Catholics. The Jews wouldn't have anything against it,I'm sure of it. And where did you lie directly? A few days ago,in saying "Radio Mary" wasn't anti-semitic,despite an appeal by M.Edlman brought in "Haaretz" demanding closing of the station for spreading of an anti-semitism.

What is bothering me is that German Justice Minister Brigitte Zypries said her country wants to work with the United States to assure the opening of the archives. I think Israel should have prior access before all others.

For many years, i have been saying that usually "Secret" means "Embarrassing." The current regime here in the US has been very busy reclassifying documents which have been declassified for decades, and even generations. Those documents seem, from what researchers who have noticed they were being reclassified, have said, share one thing in common. They are embarrassing to the agencies who want them reclassified. I can understand why Germans would be embarrassed by the Holocaust, even if they had nothing to do with it. Heck, I'm embarrassed that the men now running the US government are willing to commit mass murder for profit. But it is about time that the records be open. "Privacy"? How do you interfere with the privacy of someone Hitler's henchmen murdered? I thank Germany for a sensible step.

Shalom. You wrote: "Out of about 50 European members of my family only two survived", and you recognized it were Germans who commited these crimes. But then you wrote: "That`s the difference between Judeo-Christian Western Civilization and Eastern Civilization. Arabs and Iranians are still killing each other for things that occured hundreds of years ago." Wath I remember is the excuse to kill six million Jews was that they had killed Jesus nearly 2000 years earlier. Where is that difference between Western and Eastern civilisation, and since when is judaïsm and christianity the same religion?

It is not the first time that you are accusing me of lying. Please tell me when and where I said something untrue. Tell it if you can or stop your idiotic accusations, do jasnej cholery!

A Polish professor ,Bloski described the standard polish arguments about the Holocaust . Would recomend you to read it,it bears the fitting title : "The poor Poles look at the Ghetto" http://www.ucis.pitt.edu/eehistory/H200Readings/Topic4-R1.html

Out of about 50 European members of my family only two survived. But I'll never be a suicide bomber against Germany or strike a German for something his parents did. That's the difference between Judeo-Christian Western Civilization and Eastern Civilization. Arabs and Iranians are still killing each other for things that occured hundreds of years ago. Don't ever let them have nukes! Thanks Germany for opening the records! Shalom!

for forcing the German's hand. I bet the Holocaust Industrialist are having a fit.

Just like Konrad I have never heard any saying even remotely close to the one you quoted. You are talking through your ... you know what (hat, of course).

The Jews world poulation was 1900 11206849. 1939 17000000. Increase in 39 years 60%. is this possible? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population#See_also

it is about time the world should bring justice out and show what really happened, the ignorance of the arab world towards the holocaust is arrogant and ignorant, jews were victims for centuries and they always worked hard to survive. the jews are a great sample for morals and values and civilisation, with all they been through they contribute to the world so much, from medicine to technology and agriculture. bless all the countries that came forth and support truth to prevaile.

Would recomend you to read this short story "Train in Poland" ,about some well-mannered,peaceful,cultural Belgian Jews,not believing in what waited them if they didn't fight : http://www.jewishmag.com/59mag/polishtrain/polishtrain.htm

Seems to be the very last moment where individuals still alive from this period could supplement with their own experiences. Will this knowledge be used for possible juridical actions? Hasten to open up this archive, as by biological process the number of witnesses is being reduced daily.

Can you be more careful with your information. The title refers to 17 million Jews. There were less than that number in the German occupied teritories. Gabrielle

Thank you for your post. 1. I think it is every human being that counts. 2. Speaking about percentages: Poland lost 20% of its citizens (half of that being Jewish), no other country suffered such losses during the WWII. 3. I did not want to belittle suffering of Jews, but believe me, it seems from my perspective that too often Jews want to belittle sufferings of others. Best regards K.

Some things are not funny. Drink some absolute citron. Cipora

On the ADL site there is a page called internet rumors. If you click on it it will tell you that it is untrue that the Red Cross has blocked Israel's membership. They have supported it, but because of a Geneva convention rule, Magen David cannot use the Star of David if it affiliates with the Red Cross. The Red Cross supports the use of the Star of David, but doesn't have the authority to change the Geneva convention. That's my understanding of it, anyway.

"A popular saying in Poland at that time sums it up: "When Hitler dies we will go his grave to spit on it. We will then return to bring him flowers to thank him for helping us get rid of the Jews."" Popular Polish saying? I have never heard nor read it. Hitler just HELPING Poles to exterminate Jews? Would you mind quoting your source? I do suspect you don't have any. A bit of inherited folk wisdom, isn't it? Useful to use whenever the name of Poland comes up. The phrase "to spit on someone's grave" sounds rather un-Polish. Sad.

..."" it shows that Jews not always see that other people were also suffering and dying during the WWII."" Jews know very well that other peoples:Polish,Russians,Gypsies suffered and were exterminated as well however Iranians and others deny that the Holocaust ever existed and chalenge Israel very right to exist on this basis. Others suffered too during Nazi occupation of Europe but that doesn't affect new generations of Polish,Russian,Gypsies the way it affects the Israelis today.That's the problem

it should have happened many years ago

Well stated, Terry. I hope Chris reads it. And Mel Gibson, too. Some distinctions are lost on some people.

.....but Ernst Zundel has also been advocating for the release of all info from Arolsen, he believes it will strengthen his argument.

While the response of the ICRC as regards the records may be OK, its record during the Holocaust was beyond shameful as even the organisation itself admits on its website. That it failed to admit Israel as a member for many decades only compounds its guilt.

The Nazis could never have achieved what they did without the almost complete and willing co-operation of occupied Europe. Even in nations where the non-Jewish citizens had every reason to hate the Nazis they hated the Jews even more and acted accordingly. A popular saying in Poland at that time sums it up: "When Hitler dies we will go his grave to spit on it. We will then return to bring him flowers to thank him for helping us get rid of the Jews."

The archive is open to survivors or the close relatives of the victims since it was founded as its primary purpose was and is to reunite families or to confirm times of incarceration. The data are those of the concentration camps and other places under the command of the SS (except those files that were destroyed). Besides deported Jews and other concentration camp inmates, POWs are the main people these data refer to. See the website http://english.its-arolsen.org/ They write: The ITS holds a great quantity of extremely sensitive personal data, such as information about hereditary diseases, pseudo-medical experiments, categories of reasons for arrest (such as murderer, homosexual among others), illegitimate children etc. So I think it is quite obvious that not everyone should have unlimited access to these files.

It would be interesting to know in what way the ICRC has not been helpful. The work of the ICRC in helping re-unite families or give news to families has been a tremendous one.

Since there were nowhere close to 17 million Jews in Europe, not even half that number, everybody knows that bad grammar notwithstanding, the numeral didn't refer to the Jewish victims alone. As to others suffering more? Pray, who? While others, Russians and Germans ended loosing, in absolute numbers, far larger number of people in the war, however, none lost about 90% of its total population and had its entire culture wiped out. Not even close. Poland, the land you're from had lost 3 million Poles and 3 million Jews out of over 30 million Poles and 3.5 million Jews. That's 10% of Polish population and almost 86% of Jewish. If China were to loose today 50 million people and Poland 35 million, would you consider Chinese casualties to be worse?

Your headlines on the first page says: "Records on 17 million Jews, enslaved laborers who were persecuted and killed by Nazis". This is evidently an error, but somehow it shows that Jews not always see that other people were also suffering and dying during the WWII. Even more of them than Jews. The article itself says correctly: "17 milions of Jews and enslaved laborers", but headlines are headlines. Some people read only them. Best regards K.

servility could be made visible,but the time is running out.

Not least because it may give a clue of what happened to peoples loved ones. Also hopefully with the historical documents from Yad Vashem, the lie that the Holocaust never occured can be laid to rest for good. A pity the Red Cross could not have been more co-operative. There is bound to be painful times for relatives when they see names of loved ones catalogued simply because of their faith. An important moment I think.

He'll work some spin saying the horrible Jews and the United States had 60 years to create the lie that is being opened for all to see. When you have such dedication to a certain ideology, you will work very hard to keep that ideology intact, and that means creating conspiracies, spinning events, and otherwise blurring reality to meet your expectations.

He could care less about facts. All that matters is that the infidel is on Muslim land and they will not rest until all Muslim land is free from Infidels. And you can understand that Earth is all land that Muslims will free from the infidel. I wonder if China and Russia realize what they are helping them achieve. The solution is to commit to a major effort to leace oil in the dustbin of history. Technology exist today to supplant gasoline for cars but the world needs a major effort to rid ourselves of our dependence on oil so that the arabs can return to their bedion ways since they have hardly invested in anything in their own countries.

The headlines on the first page say: "Records on 17 million Jews, enslaved laborers who were persecuted and killed by Nazis will be opened" while the article says "17 million Jews and enslaved laborers". Those who read only headlines may think that only Jews were forced to work for the Third Reich (and come to an absurd conclusion, that 11 million of them survived). I am sorry to say this, but for me it has something to do with monopolization of suffering by Jews. With best regards K.

Let me quote what Amejeeme will say. "The whole thing has been fabricated by the Jews and the German government is part of the Jewis conspiracy however if this is true than all the Jews should move to Germany. So who gives a shit what Abeejabee thinks.

O.K., so now we might be able to research the victims... But what about the perpetrators??? When is Germany going to open the "Zentrale Stelle der Landesjustizverwaltungen zur Aufklärungen von NS-Verbrechen" in Ludwigsburg to public scrutiny? That would be an archive I'd like to see...

and I hope the archive will show him what happened.