• Published 00:00 14.09.07
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German police arrest suspect in stabbing of rabbi last week

22-year-old man admitted to stabbing the rabbi, Zalman Gurevitch, who has been recovering in the hospital.

By The Associated Press Tags: Germany

Police arrested a German of Afghan origin in the stabbing of a rabbi in Frankfurt last week, prosecutors said Friday.

The 22-year-old man was arrested Thursday night and admitted to stabbing the rabbi, Zalman Gurevitch, Frankfurt prosecutors said in a statement. The man is being investigated on suspicion of attempted manslaughter and dangerous bodily harm.

Police have said an anti-Semitic insult preceded the stabbing September 7. Gurevitch has been recovering in a hospital.

The attack prompted concern and condemnation from local politicians and Jewish groups.

According to the rabbi, the assailant said, "I'll kill you, you (expletive) Jew," prosecutors say.

However, prosecutors said the suspect - whose name they did not release - denies having either any intention of killing the rabbi and any anti-Semitic motive.

The Frankfurt-born German citizen, whose parents come from Afghanistan, maintains that he greeted the rabbi with the words "salaam aleikum," or peace upon you. In their statement, they said that there was then an exchange of words which ended in a physical confrontation.

The suspect said that he felt physically inferior to the rabbi and so reached for his knife, they added. The weapon had a 7.6-centimeter (3-inch) blade.

Prosecutors said they tracked down the suspect after being tipped off to an Internet forum that contained details of the incident.

Spokeswoman Doris Moeller-Scheu said prosecutors and police had no information to suggest that he had a radical Islamic background. She said the attack appeared to have been spontaneous rather than planned.

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Photofit picture released by German police on Sept. 9, 2007 shows a unidentified man who is wanted by police in Frankfurt, central Germany. (AP)

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  • 83. 0 0
    MR
    • Shual
    • 16.09.07
    • 17:59

    MR, do not react on catch questions. Chancellor Joel I. Klein appointed Daniell Salzberg as interim acting principal of that school. [Klein- former Bertesmann, chief US-liasion-officer, Jonathan S. will have some "intresting" stories about them, that seem not really intrest jewish figures like Klein today...., wife Nicole Seligman Vice Pres. of Sony. Salzberg, young, zionist, her current job police guarded.] Why has the NY-council to protect this NY-jew? Because the hatred of some xenophobic idiots, that may be intend to kill children and a jewsh principal. Same thing like in Frankfurt or Berlin. Bloomberg + associates have no reason to feel ahshamed, even he really IS the major of those idiots and maybe some of them even voted for him.

  • 82. 0 0
    #81 Shual
    • MR
    • 16.09.07
    • 15:35

    "New York`s first Arabic school opens under police guard" Maybe it has something to do with the Twin Towers. Why don't you tell us the comparable disaster the Jews did to Germany?

  • 81. 0 0
    Guards
    • Shual
    • 16.09.07
    • 12:30

    "... that a rabbi can come home from prayer without the police guarding the synagogue... and finally there will be no reason to feel ashamed." "New York's first Arabic school opens under police guard" [Sep. 07]. Hm. I hope Jonathan S. will explain us the reason why americans should be ashamed today.

  • 80. 0 0
    # 77 Jonathans's figures
    • Frank
    • 16.09.07
    • 10:46

    Jonathans's way of throwing around with figures gets more and more absurd. Where did he find that "3 % of Germans... did not vote for Hitler" suggesting that 97 % did? The last free elections before World War II took place in 1932, and the NSDAP got 32 %.

  • 79. 0 0
    # 68 alex
    • Axel
    • 16.09.07
    • 10:12

    What kind of a sissy are you trying to present here? Of course there is racism and violence in Germany. Can you name one country in this world where there is absolutely no racism and violence? And comparing Germany with all these countries, have you raeson to believe that there is unproportionately more racism and violence here than in similar countries? Your chances to become a victim of murder are four times greater in the USA. Would you rather be, a Jew in Germany, A Kurd in Turkey, an Indian in Brazil, or a whatsoever in Congo?

  • 78. 0 0
    Krauts
    • sweis Melbourne
    • 16.09.07
    • 00:23

    Its typical to blame Israel for everything . Faschism and Islam ere there long before, in case you have not noticed.

  • 77. 0 0
    For the Alex of #68
    • Jonathan S
    • 15.09.07
    • 23:57

    Thank you for your post. No, one should never generalize because it is well known that 3% of Germans for instance did not vote for Hitler. Albeit the war is over for more than 6 decades, its consequences can still be felt in Germany and elsewhere. Germans have tried to come to terms with the past. This is not possible, because you can only try to come to terms with the future. But to be able to do so, a person must know who he is and from where he comes. When he is not frank about it, he will be in great trouble in the future. If you are embarrassed about current events in your country, do not look away, get your voice heard. Only then will there be a chance that a black person can walk everywhere without fear, without no-go areas, that a rabbi can come home from prayer without the police guarding the synagogue and his very life, and finally there will be no reason to feel ashamed.

  • 76. 0 0
    For Christoph in Bielefeld
    • Jonathan S
    • 15.09.07
    • 23:55

    As you are mentioning the prosecutor, did you realize the big gap when it comes to sentences for right wing offenders and those of the left? Those leftist who were involved in the murdering of a leader of the German industry and who revealed that he had been a Nazi, convicted to death in absentia in Prague for war crimes, received life sentences and a special prison was built for them. On the contrary, a former Nazi judge who sentenced German soldiers to death even after the end of WWII for deserting, became PM of a federal state. Have you ever felt the grotesque imbalance here? Concerning your studies, why not continue them in Israel, for instance with an archaeological excavation? You could live there free of charge. Ever thought about it? You could visit Petra as well, greetings.

  • 75. 0 0
    # 73 dee on jonathan S
    • Axel
    • 15.09.07
    • 23:39

    "it`s easy to see that he is obsessed with Germans and Germany." To be more precise, he is obsessed with a self-imposed MISSION: to prove a continuity in German attitudes from the Third Reich till today. I imagine him as a rather old man (typical his stubborn repetitions of the same "facts" over and over and the inability for discussion or addressing questions - such would compel him to lower the defences which his self-created universe provide him), embittered by personal losses from before 1945, humiliated by the fact that he accepts German welfare for his living.

  • 74. 0 0
    # 66 christoph
    • Axel
    • 15.09.07
    • 23:15

    "I denounced former chancellor Schröder for exhibiting a photograph of his father with a swastika on the helmet." There were no swastikas on German helmets, I assume you fell for a fake, but being stupid enough for that is not much better than doing the fake yourself. The idea of "denouncing" Schroeder with a picture of his father whom Schroeder himself never knew (his father was a soldier and died when Schroeder was a few months old) says a lot about you, and not to your advantage.

  • 73. 0 0
    Jonathan S
    • Dee
    • 15.09.07
    • 21:58

    I followed Jon's comments across the boards for awhile now and it's easy to see that he is obsessed with Germans and Germany. He repeats how Germany can't escape the shadow of WWII but it looks like HE is in truth unable to escape Germany! I for one loved my Grandpa dearly and he was an officer in the Wehrmacht and fighted in Russia and in France. I'm not ashamed of him! WWII and the Holocaust is a part of the long history of our tribe that's true. But only a part, not everything. I like my country, I won't want to live in another one...and it seems more and more Jews see it the same way...:) Jonathan, everybody can have his own opinion and regarding your jewish heritage your distrust of Germany is totally understandable but frankly I must say you will be disappointed by Germans again and again...more and more just don't care anymore what Jews feel or think and they have stopped to feel guilty way back...accept it or not! Guten Tag!

  • 72. 0 0
    #65
    • Krauts
    • 15.09.07
    • 21:41

    You are right. Nazi theories and theories of the radical muslims although theories of the radical left are very simple. It's something for stupid people who can not controll there emotions. In all 3 theories the evil is Israel and the USA. Surely the USA and Israel do sometimes wrong things, but is much more ignorance and wrong behave in other countries and groups. Greetings

  • 71. 0 0
    Alex
    • Anton
    • 15.09.07
    • 21:35

    Being a little slimy, aren't you? Next time dont forget to apologise that you have been born.

  • 70. 0 0
    #64
    • Shual
    • 15.09.07
    • 21:29

    If this man has a problem with law, he will serve his time in jail, no matter if he is green, black, orange, muslim or whatever. And law does not recognize the victims colour either. One can understand the nervousness of the jewish-community here, but there is no doubt about the fact that useless performances we can find here are not the way to calm down our citizens fears. Salomon Korn said, that the thing was the FIRST attack in the last centuries of normality, if you can speak of normality of jewish citizens in germany. He talks a lot about normality, cause there nerver will be normality, but [as stupid that sounds] the germans including jewish and muslim germans have to work to reach it. [Reach= there are several wars ongoing between muslims and the Western world and thank g~d germany has nothing to do with them. Luxury.] Your post transfers old biases about jews onto muslims. If this is the way you want to work for a normal relationship in your contry, you are on the wrong way.

  • 69. 0 0
    to MR
    • Alex
    • 15.09.07
    • 20:27

    as part of an english website the forum attracts people from all over the world. i think it's normal the germans comment on an article regarding germany and on generalizations made about them... as done by jonatah.

  • 68. 0 0
    I'm Germand and I feel ashamed
    • Alex
    • 15.09.07
    • 20:09

    jonathan, i feel ashamed that there is still racism and violence and germany. :( not all germans think in the same way. in my opinion it is wrong to generalize about a whole group of people. at least nobody can chose where he is born or what his ethnicity is.

  • 67. 0 0
    Jonathan's theories
    • Alex
    • 15.09.07
    • 19:53

    jonathan, why do you generalize about germans ? in my opinion it's wrong to say that someone thinks in a certain way only because he belongs to a certain group of people. at least nobody can chose where he is born or what his ethnicity is. i'm german and i feel ashamed that there is still racism and violence in germany. but to say that germans in general are bad (as you imply)will not help to make it better. btw, why do u live in ffm if u dislike germans so much ?

  • 66. 0 0
    Jonathan, hevanti. I may often sound more decisive than I am.
    • christoph
    • 15.09.07
    • 19:32

    There was a time when I was kind of active against Germany. I denounced former chancellor Schröder for exhibiting a photograph of his father with a swastika on the helmet. I had then some interesting letters with public prosecutors. That was towards the end of my studies in Marburg. Later I had a little look into education and philology and also participated in a course on modern Hebrew in the Seminary of Jewish studies in Frankfurt and also visited an exhibition on Tel Aviv in der Savignystraße. I know your town quite well and liked to go there on Saturdays with my Semesterticket. Both in Marburg and Bielefeld the Jewish communities are expanding and in both towns different cultural circumstances are present. So, rather than thinking about Germany as a whole country, which is difficult, I've occasionally been trying to act on the local level, for example when tensions occur between Jews and other citizens, like recently here around the transformation of a church into a synagogue.

  • 65. 0 0
    Krauts
    • sweis Melbourne
    • 15.09.07
    • 19:31

    Something is basically wrong with pple who need to be led by the nose ,like you imply.They need blind obedience like Befehl ist Befehl and totalitariansm suits that psyche. They will make excellent Muslims. Jawohl!

  • 64. 0 0
    #63
    • krauts
    • 15.09.07
    • 18:35

    Jews are living since 1000 in germany. So for me the have a historical right to leave in germany. Jews never wanted to make germans to convert. Muslims live since 1970 in germany and the want make us germans to muslims. I'm not intressted about there wars there prophet and there culture. I'm not intressted about a pashtuni who lives in the wrong country. This guy has no wright to carry weapons. Question why muslims make german streets to gaza and kandahar. So this guy is a guest in my country and he should behave like that.

  • 63. 0 0
    #58
    • Shual
    • 15.09.07
    • 17:22

    "Jonathan didn`t come to a German forum..." So, Mr. "authorized to think, feel, speak for Israel". The Westend-Jews [a large part of them german citizens] may be proud to tell us what your coexistence with a c&p-spambot that uses any single incident to talk about off-topic [and wrong] things really produces for THEM. If a Pashtun-German hits a rebbe with a knife and the german gov+police act great anf fast, a GERMAN non-jew informs the police about internet-confessions of the "suspect", the german media is full of articles about the incident, the germans [maybe 95% of them] are AGAINST ANY attacks of terrorists against their jewish citizens, several teror-acts were averted ... blahblahblah, its IMPOSSIBLE to stand that campaign of "intrested circles" that want to tell Israelis that constructed numbers, faked incidents and remote interpretations are more important than reality. Intresting: I have not heard any word from you that you feel with your jewish brothers.

  • 62. 0 0
    For Krauts
    • Jonathan S
    • 15.09.07
    • 16:59

    Unfortunately Eastern Germany is a very lame excuse indeed. The centre and brain of neo-Nazi activity lies in former Western Germany and has ever been. In many West-German federal states, neo-Nazis were sitting in the parliaments only 2 decades after the doors of Auschwitz closed and the Allies imposed another political system on the Germans by force. This well-known apology with the poor East-Germans would also not explain the results of various scientific studies, such as the one by the Ebert Foundation, which have shown that the deepest anti-Jewish resentments are resting with the well-educated classes of Western Germany with high revenues. The question you should ask is this: Why is it getting worse? We have now the highest number of these incidents for nearly 20 years, brutal right-wing violence is on an all-time high in post-war Germany.

  • 61. 0 0
    #Try to be fair, MR!
    • Frank
    • 15.09.07
    • 16:46

    I have not insulted you, and it does not read where you are from. I have written: "I pity and condemn the attack on the Rabbi just like I feel for all victims, be they political or not." If this makes you imply that I came to lecture you, to insult you and that I reacted with arrogance, then something must be wrong with your reception.

  • 60. 0 0
    Oh Frank!
    • Jonathan S
    • 15.09.07
    • 16:44

    Unable or unwilling to read and to understand? There was no question of common guilt, nor of inherited guilt. The question was about the mendacious behaviour concerning the Nazi past that will not pass, and about the responsibility for the current situation. Of course you can present all the well known lame excuses for the 18.000 neo-nazi incidents of last year and probably more this year. But you cannot run away from your responsibility. Sooner or later it will be falling back on you.

  • 59. 0 0
    For Christoph
    • Jonathan S
    • 15.09.07
    • 16:42

    Christoph, I never said what you SHOULD feel, only what you COULD feel, just to give an example how things could be. Your feelings are yours completely, and very personnel ones. Verstanden?

  • 58. 0 0
    Frank an Jonathan
    • MR
    • 15.09.07
    • 16:29

    Frank, Jonathan didn't come to a German forum, it is you and others like you who came to us, to insult us and to lecture us about how we should feel about nazis, about Germany, about the antisemitic attack on a rabbi, etc. If you and others have problems with the Jews, ask your generation of WW2 why did they not think what a miserable moral position they leave you in for generations to come. Some of the Germans who post here now, are not regulars in this forum. You poped up now, after "that" incident, with arrogance. I hope you don't represent anything important in today's Germany.

  • 57. 0 0
    Ludin and the German apologists here
    • Jonathan S
    • 15.09.07
    • 16:23

    Malte Ludin is a German filmmaker. He is one of the few who wanted to know about his father, Hans. His ma and other relatives told him that his pa was innocent. So Malte studied very extensively German archives. The result was disastrous: His father was a convicted war criminal responsible for the deportation of 60.000 Jews of Slowakia. The US handed him over to Czechoslovakia, were he was hanged in 1947. The amazing thing is that neither his mother nor his sisters wanted to believe Malte when he presented the facts to them, they all denied that her father could have done anything wrong. Their behaviour resembles in many ways the one of the German apologists on this forum, always denying even what their police and government is publishing about events in their country. Malte Ludin in 2005 made a film about this common story of daily deceiving, cheating and denying in Germany.

  • 56. 0 0
    Haaretz
    • MR
    • 15.09.07
    • 16:21

    Do you have any problem posting my comments to Axel? Can we actually know what are the criteria on which you ban postings? Fact is, both antisemites and Jews complain about your decisions and they are NOT according to your declared principles.

  • 55. 0 0
    Oh Jonathan!
    • Frank
    • 15.09.07
    • 15:31

    Unfortunately Haaretz has not published my second response to Jonathan - maybe it was too truthful. So of course he keeps his weird crap coming in. Since he could cut no ice with the German collective guilt, he now turns to inherited guilt. Now my ancestors from either side did not want to have anything to do with the national socialists but lost their Heimat after the war. Thus Jonathan should find a better trick to creep into my conscience. I pity and condemn the attack on the Rabbi just like I feel for all victims, be they political or not. Yet we are not in need of intriguers like Jonathan.

  • 54. 0 0
    #49
    • Krauts
    • 15.09.07
    • 15:01

    Hi Jonathan, your grandpa was Siegmund Freud ? No the main problem for the young germans especially for the eastgermans is the total change of the society. Our goverment and society is not able to give them a perspektive (moralic and social). Thats what the nazis and right now the muslims do. Last year we got over 18000 germans who converted to the islam. Greetings

  • 53. 0 0
    Jonathan S
    • christoph
    • 15.09.07
    • 14:52

    Why are you trying to prescribe me what to feel? My feelings are ok.

  • 52. 0 0
    German courts to decide over...
    • Franco
    • 15.09.07
    • 14:02

    Axel, it's simply too obvious that this crime will be judged according to German laws. Neverthless, I'd be indeed surprised if your Country does not contemplate the assault of a traditionally dressed rabbi as an aggravating circumstance, such as in Italy; it is manifestly a hate crime, motivated by evil racist reasons. Undoubtedly, in Italy it deserves the utmost severe punishment.

  • 51. 0 0
    Gefereiter Axel grasping for straws and reviviving his
    • Absolute Sweden
    • 15.09.07
    • 13:07

    East German upbringing. From where did you get the catched neo-nazis "grew up in Israel"? Even if it's true,they don't believe themselves being Jews . But for Axelchen their distant grandpa which might have been Jewish is enough to rewvive the "Chosen Nation" "irony",just like his Grandpa was hunting for "Mischlings" with a drop of Jewish blood in them.

  • 50. 0 0
    Mutual Neurosis
    • Andreas
    • 15.09.07
    • 13:01

    It seems to me that any Haaretz story combining German and Israeli or Jewish topics will immediately turn into a platform for all kinds of backward-looking German Gentile and non-German Jewish neurotics who will start confronting all their mutual prejudices, anxieties and complexes. I don't think an Internet talk-back is in any way a suitable place to communicate subjescts as delicate and ambivalent as this. I am glad there are enough reasonable people on either side who can talk to each other in real life without all the problems people seem to have in here.

  • 49. 0 0
    Sweis making an important point
    • Jonathan S
    • 15.09.07
    • 12:50

    For decades, Germans want to get rid of their past, as if this would be possible like the change of clothing. They invented the grace of late birth and the perpetrators were from now on a mysterious group called the Nazis. These came apparently from a far distant planet. Much more important for the Germany of today: They disappeared after 1945 and so the good Germans, the sole representatives of the axis of good, would be victims, too. The most important reason for doing so was however to avoid the question: What did pa or grandpa before 1945? It would not be comfortable to realize to be the child of a butcher of Jewish babies. The avoidance of this very important question for every young person (who am I?) is the clue for the understanding of the Germany of today.

  • 48. 0 0
    Greetings from Quedlinburg
    • Jonathan S
    • 15.09.07
    • 12:38

    Today a neo-Nazi rally has been announced in this nice little town in central Germany. This would not be a headline, it happens every day somewhere in Germany. The aim is to commemorate an incident which made it to the headlines last year: actors of a theatre group have been attacked and were brutally beaten in the street after their performance by a group of right-wingers. The comedians receive threats even today and have reported that they are encountering their aggressors in the streets. One actor said on TV that the whole city is in the hands of neo-Nazi groups. It remains to be seen, if the police will protect the right-wingers and be beating up the few leftist protestors, as usual. By the way, neo-Nazi parties do receive public funding for their activities from the government.

  • 47. 0 0
    A clarification for Christoph
    • Jonathan S
    • 15.09.07
    • 12:25

    Christoph, what kind of guilt could a young German like you have to feel? Certainly not for horrible crimes commited long before your birth. You could feel disgusted by the fact that the vast majority of the perpetrators of these crimes could continue to live in Germany as if nothing happened, many of them making it to highest positions. You could feel outraged by the fact that anti-Semitism is so much rising on the left and the right side of the political spectrum. But you should not avoid Jews, quite to the contrary. You will be wrong only if you have the wrong argument, not because your interlocutor is a Jew. And now a confession: When speaking with Jews who survived, I myself feel some kind of embarrassment, comparing the immense suffering with an easy post-war life. But this should not result in speechlessness and inaction.

  • 46. 0 0
    Jonathan S on our inablility to feel ashamed
    • christoph
    • 15.09.07
    • 11:27

    The Germans have their own problems. For example I have now personally decided to AVOID the Jews in order not to be forced to always feel this guilt. Imagine there'd be a conflict between a Jew and me about anything. Why should I have the right to defend my interest? Don't tell me you can always arrange in an amiable way. We're living in a capitalist society where man is man's wolf, where winners and losers are created regardless of their descent.

  • 45. 0 0
    MR
    • Shual
    • 15.09.07
    • 09:28

    "ignoring what Jonathan just said" Ok, lets not ignore it! Well, he was citing Mitscherlichs book of 1967 and I think he did it cause the titel is fascinating simple. Have you read Mitscherlichs "The peaceable woman"? Thesis: Woman are not responsible for their participation in the NS-crimes, cause they are not able to feel antisemitism. They are slaves of their identification with male agression and biases [Fear - deprivation of male-love], thats why they had to parcitipate. If woman are free from male-influences [Feminism] they are absolutly 100% peaceniks. Go back to "37%" of germans... According to Mr. Jonathan S. an his great Mitscherlichs about 16%? 10% of the male germans are antisemits and the rest of the antisemits are poor and unfree victims of that bad male-agression. And maybe we can find some victims in the male-antisemitism, too! Maybe only 5% are antisemits and all others are victims!

  • 44. 0 0
    unashamed
    • sweis Melbourne
    • 15.09.07
    • 09:04

    They have a mental block on the war. It is THEM, the NAZIS that did all the wrong things and not the German nation. Ergo, no guilt. Every time I mentioned the holocaust to the numerous Germans i encounter while travelling, it is always THEM. Ergo, no shame or repenting. Simple?

  • 43. 0 0
    re: Teacher
    • Efox
    • 15.09.07
    • 06:00

    If the IDF acts rightly, instead of like craven cowards following their leadership in to capitulation to the whining of the Hordes, the IDF will not lose. The Jihad, despite its numbers, will lose, because they do not act rightly, by invading every other neighboring state from Spain to Kashmir and Chechnya to South Africa.

  • 42. 0 0
    re: Phil
    • Efox
    • 15.09.07
    • 05:56

    Nobody cares about lies, except people who want to believe them. Those who condemn Israel for defending itself, will soon find such "Innocent Children" blowing up their own families, once safe in good old Europe, as men like this Afghan overrun your countries under the banner of the Jihad.

  • 41. 0 0
    re: Chick
    • Efox
    • 15.09.07
    • 05:52

    It works the same way, you go through body parts and pick the ones that look right until you get a face that looks about right. The accuracy ultimately depend on the person making the choices and possibly, the way the person running through the computer asks the questions. It must have been a fairly good investigation as they seem to have gotten the perp, but it seems more like he went online and bragged about it.

  • 40. 0 0
    re: MR
    • Efox
    • 15.09.07
    • 05:36

    Two Jews in the History of the World lost their minds and attacked Arabs in this way, it is a little hard to condemn them because they were immediately lynched and ripped to shreds by packs of hyenas. Oh I'm sorry, did not mean to offend Hyenas by comparing them.

  • 39. 0 0
    wh 35
    • alan
    • 15.09.07
    • 05:28

    your right ! that was terrible. The point is.....it is somewhat rare for jews to kill others although muslims are killing muslims and others everyday 24/7

  • 38. 0 0
    Karl
    • MR
    • 15.09.07
    • 04:59

    Almost forgot: Personal offense like the one you address to Jonathan, even when subtly wrapped in a cultivated language, is still a low level approach in a forum.

  • 37. 0 0
    Karl
    • MR
    • 15.09.07
    • 04:53

    First, it was the same when one Jew commited a terror act against Arabs, one of a few in our whole history. I don't recall you saying the same back then. Second, simply ignoring what Jonathan just said doesn't make you any smarter.

  • 36. 0 0
    Dear Jonathan, lack of culture and awareness..
    • Karl
    • 15.09.07
    • 03:25

    ....is a general human disease. We have to work on it everywhere in any place at any time we meet it. And you Jonathan are completely free from it when citing percentages as prove for your thesis not seeing the individuals? Is it not written that one just man or woman may weigh out all the people of a country? This time it seems to me that we need one weighing out the whole world. By the way do you know the writings of the founder of Haaretz. Worth to read!!!!!!

  • 35. 0 0
    alan # 13
    • wh
    • 15.09.07
    • 02:39

    I would like to hear your comment to the killing of a jewish teenager in a toronto park bye a other yew {Israeli solder on live) over a lousy cigarette. those peace full Israelis are at it again !!

  • 34. 0 0
    # 31
    • Shual
    • 15.09.07
    • 00:41

    Intresting facts, Jonathan S., but now move to the case and tell the people about the connection of Gurevitch to the Stawski-circle [honestly concearned] and why these "specialists" of arab-terrorism spread messages that said the attackers [3 teenagers! - male] were of supposable morrocan descent. Gurevitch will testify under oath and until that day the messages about that case of hc-origin should be seen as what they are... regular lies.

  • 33. 0 0
    Germans unable to feel ashamed
    • Jonathan S
    • 14.09.07
    • 23:57

    In 2002, Germans on a street in Berlin shouted JEWS OUT! No, this were no neo-Nazis, this were brave citizens of Berlin who vented their anger over renaming a street to its former pre-war name: Juedenstrasse (street of Jews). This incident, as with so many others, were the manifestation of polls that had been conducted the same year by scientific institutes in Frankfurt and Leipzig with the result that 37% (36% in the East) had deep anti-Jewish resentments. German psychologists Alexander und Margarete Mitscherlich wrote a book about post-war Germany and the dealing with the Holocaust. They called it the inability of mourning. Given the denial by German posters of facts published even by their own government about present events in their country, I would add to it the complete inability to feel ashamed.

  • 32. 0 0
    Connie
    • Axel
    • 14.09.07
    • 23:38

    "The fact that these morons slipped into Israel under false pretensions is horrible" They did not "slip" into Israel as full-blown neo-nazis, they immigrated as children and grew up in Israel. You still refuse to realize that the "chosen" people is not immune to social aberrations which you prefer to attribute exclusively to "always others, never us". "I am not proud of Germany and I doubt I will ever live to see the day that Germany does not disappoint me." That's your personal problem and I have no desire to tackle it. But be prepared to receive as harsh an answer to your anti-Germanism as you make use of when you answer to anti-semitism.

  • 31. 0 0
    An answer for Anubhav
    • Jonathan S
    • 14.09.07
    • 23:31

    Greetings to India. Germans in general do not like foreigners. The alarmingly rising number of racial incidents as reported by all German officials, is directed against colored people (go after the story of Noel Martin who was so severely beaten that he is living in a wheel chair and threatened suicide), against Vietnamese, Indians, short against all who are recognizable as such. Jews would be victims more often, if they could be identified as such. Interestingly, violence against Muslims has not been reported often. The German Interior Ministry has warned about growing collaboration between some Muslim circles and the German neo-Nazi scene. A big common rally of the two of them has been cancelled at the last minute. Of course they have a common enemy: the US and the Jews. This peculiar Muslim-German alliance is well known for 70 years now.

  • 30. 0 0
    Avrum (7), my brother!
    • Karl
    • 14.09.07
    • 22:42

    We shall overcome! If not this life the next or the life after. No, this very life! I'm somebody not believing in reincarnation. Sending Love.

  • 29. 0 0
    to Jonathan S.a question
    • Anubhav
    • 14.09.07
    • 22:34

    i am not sure whether i have come across any attacks by Germans on muslims? it seems the attacks happen on Jews and recently on Indians

  • 28. 0 0
    #24
    • Krauts
    • 14.09.07
    • 22:19

    This was crime was a political background.

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    No Phil (15) not a normal crime...
    • Karl
    • 14.09.07
    • 22:15

    ..if obviously done with anti-Jewish background because it hurts the basics of our Western societies laid down by our constitutions guaranteeing all people body and health unhurt and mind not scared by any threatenings others then the laws. So we get peace in the society and everybody may serve his ideal, his God or even a stone as God as long not thrown and laws are served. That's it Phil.

  • 26. 0 0
    Axel
    • Connie
    • 14.09.07
    • 22:12

    I specifically answered your post yesterday but you refused to accept my answers. My my you must not get so testy it is bad for the blood pressure. In answer to your question obviously there is a group of neo Christian Nazi's in Israel....and there is definately anti semitism coming from the Muslims...and please don't give me the pat answer that arabs cannot be anti semitic because they are semites. We all know the term anti semitism refers to Jews and only Jews. The fact that these morons slipped into Israel under false pretensions is horrible but I am hoping that their punishment will be worse. As I said before Germany is such a beautiful country with such ugliness attached to it. I am not proud of my German heritage....I am not proud of Germany and I doubt I will ever live to see the day that Germany does not disappoint me. We share the same planet with you but that does not mean that I have to respect what Germany has stood for and what Germany has allowed to happen on her soil.

  • 25. 0 0
    @ 7 it´s not a question of of being a Muslim or ..
    • Karl
    • 14.09.07
    • 21:58

    Christian or Jew or whatsoever. Somebody stabbing somebody else to kill explicitly out of the emotion of feeling inferior would do it again to anybody everywhere. Simple level. We talk about humans moving in a human society. We are not talking here about the clash of cultures and which one would be superior to the other. We talk about the mutual respect which has to be served between men in our societies. When people would start stabbing others because of their emotions we would end in Baghdad where the beard decides if a Sunni is killed by a Shia or a Schia is killed by a Sunni. Before having tapped the life wire one shouldn't talk about believes, God, Christians, Jews or whatsoever. In this case better observe the laws of western societies granting peace between all religions putting them all in the second place to observe tolerance. Teaching not having taught.

  • 24. 0 0
    abu yusuf
    • Axel
    • 14.09.07
    • 21:36

    "crime deserves a life with no parole." It's up to the german court to decide wether it was attempted manslaughter or criminal assault. The penalty for either is set by our criminal code. Whether the victim was rabbi, priest, or imam makes no difference.

  • 23. 0 0
    # 8 the dear Jonathan
    • Bernd
    • 14.09.07
    • 21:10

    First ,the Rabbi is alive ,god bless him. but what to do with so much HATE and lies ?? once i ask you for the names of the neo-nazi MP's NO ANSWER from dear jonathan!!! My Proposal : work one Year in the PEACE-VILLAGE in Israel!!your meals are paid with my donations After work you must read Uri Avneri. Oh that fits not, hi (helmut Ostermann) is german origin.May be some lessons of the thora are helpfull. a peacefull new year,Bernd

  • 22. 0 0
    Dear Avi and Ben Aharon
    • Lumax
    • 14.09.07
    • 21:09

    What is the matter of your posts? To keep germany in general neurosis? and while i can understand why jews have something to forgive regarding germany, the polish surely have not. Poish were enthusiastically helping the nazis to hunt jews... then, in 1945 Poles murdered and raped millions of innocent german children and women and stole half their land... of couse were all the returning jews killed aswell (see Kielce etc.)... something the germans never did with them!!!!! btw. did the russians between 1939 and 1940 kill more (not jewish) poles than the nazis during the whole war... a fact, you never learn in school, the red army is still teached to be the liberator of europe.... what a cynism the same with the chechs.... 10`000 dies between 1938 and 1945 becuase of Nazi terror... in the first 3 months of peace they killed about 300`000 german civilians... All, but the jews have to seek forgiveness from germany instead of granting their generous foorgivness!

  • 21. 0 0
    ben aharon
    • Axel
    • 14.09.07
    • 20:42

    "And each time I read any of your posts, Axel, I am reminded of that past......!!!" You really amuse me. My post is totally present-day related. Perhaps if not for me, then for the rest of posters would you explain what is reminiscent of the past in it.

  • 20. 0 0
    Stabing a rabbi
    • Abu Yusuf
    • 14.09.07
    • 20:40

    I dont see my felow arabs condeming this here. What a shame.

  • 19. 0 0
    Stabing a ribbi
    • Abu Yusuf
    • 14.09.07
    • 20:38

    This shows the mentality of hate driven person. Uspeakable crime deserves a life with no parole.

  • 18. 0 0
    # 8 Jonathan S. no. 2
    • Frank
    • 14.09.07
    • 20:22

    2) The figure of "more than 18,000 neo-Nazi incidents registered in Germany last year" is absolutely fantastic. Maybe Jonathan believes in Verfassungsschutz-desinformation. The clue is that the numerous street aussalts that happen in this country are only interesting for registers if they can be politicized -- just like the assault on Rabbi Gurevitch. Whoever is violated by the normal "Gesindel" is a dinky victim.

  • 17. 0 0
    # 8 Jonathan S. no. 1
    • Frank
    • 14.09.07
    • 20:19

    It is pointless to discuss with people like Jonathan S. who have such a twisted insight in reality that they earnestly consider a conspiracy between an (actually extincted) "old Nazi elite" ant the younger generation in Germany. Let us just look at two subjects he mentioned: 1) The NPD was a nationalist grandfather party with a boring program that did not cause much harm. Then the German internal intelligence service ("Verfassungsschutz" = constitutional protection(!)) sent its agents and turned it into a militant neo-Nazi organization attracting skinheads and other rowdies. When the Constitutional Court had to decide over its prohibition it found that 7 of 10 board members who had uttered appeals to violence were agents. That did it. (to be continued)

  • 16. 0 0
    Avi vs. Axel
    • Ben Aharon
    • 14.09.07
    • 19:35

    I am all with you, Avi, Germany has done a lot to clean itself and as an Israeli Jew I appreciate it. But don't expect us to forget the past, don't! And each time I read any of your posts, Axel, I am reminded of that past......!!!

  • 15. 0 0
    Who cares...
    • Phil
    • 14.09.07
    • 19:11

    ...just a normal crime...the IDF is killing innocent children and there also nobody cares.

  • 14. 0 0
    # 10 Edward
    • Axel
    • 14.09.07
    • 19:06

    "This was a planned crime" I suggest you leave it to the german court to decide if it was premeditated or not. They do not need your opinion.

  • 13. 0 0
  • 12. 0 0
    to #3
    • Marcelo
    • 14.09.07
    • 18:26

    As usual many news are taken from the original newspaper (or digital newspaper), translated and placed in. If oyu go to the frankfurt-rundschau, where the news appeared first, you can read the enphasis in the origin as well...althouh this guy wa born in Germany, it does not mean that he thinks or lives as an european, actually he is an eurabian. This is the european reality: arabs everywhere, who do not want to understand that in EU as in many other non-muslim countries, theer is freedom....

  • 11. 0 0
    #10 Edward
    • Kraut
    • 14.09.07
    • 18:16

    Hi Edward, I'm a german and I worked 7 years in Frankfurt. In Frankfurt although Offenbach and in the big cities in germany you got a lot of this Muslim Emigrants. The are a part of the streets and for them it is nomal to carry knife blades. This guys hate Israel and the USA. The rabbi had an Kibba on his head so it was easy for this folk to identifier him as jew. That was his reason why he attacked the rabbi. The normal Frankfurt germans takes a lot of care of the jews. The know that some Muslim Emigrants total grazy. The police got their informations to catch this guy from fans from the local soccer club. This Emigrant Situation is a typical european Problem

  • 10. 0 0
    stabbing a rabbi in Germany
    • Edward
    • 14.09.07
    • 17:48

    This was a planned crime, otherwise, why would this attacker carry 6.plus" knife blade with him?

  • 9. 0 0
    Typo in Haaretz story
    • Chick
    • 14.09.07
    • 17:26

    Haartez writes, 'The suspect said that he felt physically inferior to the rabbi '. The real meaning is he felt 'morally inferior' to the rabbi and he was right in feeling that way. Also would be interesting to see a photo of the real criminal v. the Photofit picture the police used. That 'picture' is a mock photo and it would be interesting to see how close it comes to the real criminal. German technology on crime face rendering of wanted criminals seems more advanced that US technology.

  • 8. 0 0
    What a disappointment, really!
    • Jonathan S
    • 14.09.07
    • 16:10

    More than 18.000 neo-Nazi incidents registered last year in Germany, with hundreds of people beaten and injured, probably more than 20.000 ones this year, neo-Nazi parties sitting in parliaments of several federal states, receiving millions of Euros in funding from the government and no end in sight: The attacks are more brutal than ever, as reported by the German Interior Ministry. What a disappointment about a country that should have learned something. Unfortunately the lectures prepared by the Allies after WWII never took place due to the Cold War and so the old Nazi elite could continue as if nothing happened. And the younger generation let it happen, the results can be seen now. This is the real big disappointment.

  • 7. 0 0
    Teacher
    • Avrum
    • 14.09.07
    • 15:50

    "Those stronger in religious belief and with full respect of human lives will win." As A Jew this is what I was taught. I am not a religious person. I am a traditionalist that attends synagogue on the high holidays. But I am like all other Jews. A man that has full respect of human lives. The same as most Muslims. But there are too many Muslims that have no respect for human lives or other religions. This German man of Muslim background is just another example of "no respect"

  • 6. 0 0
    To Axel
    • Avi (from Poland)
    • 14.09.07
    • 15:40

    Tell me about it Axel...but you can blame them? I don't bash Germany, as a matter of fact I hold your country in very high esteem despite the atrocitites committed by the Nazis. We forgive but do not forget!

  • 5. 0 0
    1#
    • Teacher
    • 14.09.07
    • 14:51

    I would not insine. Healthy and trying to cope with emotions by attacking on first. Time is hard and to begin with myselfe, we have forgotten what our parents taught us. I truly hope all aware Muslims will try protect Jews nearby. Those stronger in religiouse belive and with full respect of human lives will win.Knife, gun, qassama,IDF will lose.

  • 4. 0 0
    @3
    • Philipp
    • 14.09.07
    • 14:34

    "what`s was the "insult"?" Translated the attacker reportedly said: "You fuxxxx Jew" He will remain in custody and I think he will be dealt with severely. I guess he will get a few years to think about what he did. Thanks from to the police. I don't think that this was an easy investigation.

  • 3. 0 0
    very strange reporting
    • nobodysacred
    • 14.09.07
    • 14:07

    why the emphasis on the suspect's parents origine? and why his name is whitgeld? what's was the "insult"? what the rabby said? WHO STARTED the confrontation? the fact zionism needs "antisemitim" as Herlzt wrote in his diaries.

  • 2. 0 0
    What a disappointment
    • Axel
    • 14.09.07
    • 13:17

    to the notorious Germany-bashers. The perpetrator anything but a typical neo-nazi.

  • 1. 0 0
    Insane person. "Physically inferior to the..
    • Karl
    • 14.09.07
    • 12:21

    rabbi". Incredible. He should serve for the rest of his life after having served for the sentence for the stabbing.