French court tries far-right leader Le Pen for Nazi remarks

It takes extreme stupidity to accuse someone who says that the holocaust happened and that there were concentration camps of holocaust denial. But then again you seem to have that quality.

I would not say you are mentally retarded, but your comments show that you are terribly ignorant. By the time the exterminations started, the nazi regime had been in power for a long time, and the country was in a state of total war. The extermination effort did not demand much support; anyone voicing an objection would have faced an omnipresent secret police. It would have taken extreme bravery to take a stance which would put the person in jail.

Is it a crime to deny any historical event, whether true or not? I don't think so. You may deny the former existance of the Berlin Wall if you feel like it. Why then is it a crime to deny the Holocaust?

I guess your nom de plume is short for "mental state needs to be stabilised by pharmacological solution." The Germans rounded up and executed many civilian groups and destroyed entire villages in France, as well as deporting and exterminating hundreds of thousands of people (some of whom were Jews). The Wehrmacht lynched many of the American airmen. Those German soldiers who stood up against Hitler were a tiny minority. The Jewish extremists you mentioned were also a tiny minority and were fought against by mainstream Jewish fighters during the Israeli war of independence. Only a moron could possibly link "standard" Jewish behaviour with "standard" WW2 German behaviour. You're either very, very stupid and ignorant, or you have a very, very sinister agenda. Please stop commenting here - you're mentally and intellectually unfit for it.

I choose to decline to participate in the Jewish holocaust observance. Why, you ask. Because I’m not Jewish. Let the Jewish people memorialize any event they wish, but the rest of the world has the God given right to not go along with it. This is the same God given right that Jews have to reject any, say, Catholic practice that they find not to their licking. The Catholic response is that Jews who do not receive the true faith harm only themselves. Catholics who want Jews to believe as they do have recourse to good example and prayer. This has perhaps not always been the case. But when you consider the enormous importance of one’s immortal soul, punishing Jews for denying Christ’s divinity is no greater evil than punishing people for not believing in the holocaust. There have been many holocausts throughout man’s history; each has its advocate arguing its ferocity. Some even claim their holocaust is unique; in which case if so it offers absolutely no interest to people not of the victims’ group. All the victim groups practice a double standard. They say lament with us for our victims, and join us in punishing those who refuse observe our holocaust. But, they add, do not spend any tears on others, even those who we have treated unjustly. We are now riding the crest of holocaust popularity. But this cannot last. People are foolish and self defeating only so long. They will perceive the folly of venerating a false god. They will resent having been made fools of. Their reaction to being humiliated will be harsher than simple holocaust denial. It would be wise for the powers that be to call off the dogs of holocaust denial.

First of all, there is no such thing as holocaust denial. There are no holocaust deniers. There are many who believe that the holocaust has been exaggerated. Informed and objective people can not deny the fact that the holocaust has been used as an excuse to perpetrate injustice on the Palestinians. In my opinion, the real crime is the imprisonment of those who openly dispute particular historical events. How can sane people condone such laws? When did the holocaust become more sacred than Christianity, or Judaism? When did the holocaust turn into the most sacred of religions? And why do many countries in Europe wish to return to the days of the Inquisition where heretics are sought out and imprisoned for thought crimes?

Nicolas Sarkozy saying that the Israeli occupation of Palestin is"not particularly inhumane". Nicolas Sarkozy trial for "justification of war crimes" and "contesting crimes against humanity" opened on Friday.

Hitlers willing executioners should be read by everyone to get a scholarly summing up on participation of ordinary Germans in the German tsunami. Lucky the ones who were not there to suffer from them.

Were you there? I was. And read Goldschlagers book and Jan Gross too, they have all the numbers. You could not ill millions without massive participation. And whats your point? the Germans are too nice to be brainwashed en masse and gas people in various concentration camps? My husband spent his teens in 6 labor camps and the cruelties he suffered are the stuff of horror stories. Where have you been all your life?

Le Pen was talking about a 1944 massacre of French civilians by the German army in Villeneuve-d'Ascq, not the Holocaust.

since he was only speaking in favor of Nazism, which Herr Mufti was able to manipulate so skilfully to prevent Palestine from filling up with Jewish refugees and turning into 2 states. But you seem to have forgotten that le Pen's first ambition is to send away all your Arab bros from France. What will you say then?

French law is certainly different than in Montana, Yes he did break French law in France and that is why he is tried by a French tribunal.

Eric: Settle down, Beavis.

how do you have the gall to compare the stern and irgun to the nazi regime-you have lost any credibility. as an aside, i beleive all germans knew where the "transports were going"and like 98%of the germans condoned it

Rod Serling was obviously a great forecaster of the future. I think I saw this episode on the Twilight Zone with Burgess Merideth. We're putting people on trial for "justfication of war crimes" and "contesting crimes against humanity"? You went through great pains to make these cases sound legitimate by using fancy words and it still sounds absolutely absurd. Forget we're entering the Dark Ages....we're already there!

NO ONE in this talkback has denied the holocaust! so why don't you stop your inane and idiotic labeling. you FREAKS that use it have nothing intelligent to say; so you resort to stupidity. and by the way; it's also people just like you who fulfill the primary definition of the word "prejudice". have a nice day...

Le Pen comments are not offensive just to the jews. Haaretz mention the 76,000 jews deported (including my uncle) but this is mostly a french issue. many non jews were also murdered by the nazi occupiers and their Vichy collaborators. The village of Oradour sur Glane (among others) saw its hundreds of inhabitants coralled into the church that was set a flame. Only 3 (2 kids and an old woman who fled in the forest) survived. Le Pen's comments are an insult to the entire country of France, and particularly to the resistants (that had the guts to confront the nazi soldiers, not blow up buses). No surprised, Le Pen is the political heir of Petain and Laval the collaborators in the Vichy governement.

Fully agree with you.

Naturally, by no coincidence, the '1 state solution' idiot who thinks Israel should give up being a Jewish state and just let millions of Jew-hating Muslims flood in and take the entire place over, is not offended by Holocaust denial, and is now claiming that 99% of Germans had no knowledge the holocaust was even happening. This is how it works, folks.

Holocaust denial isn't 'thinking' or 'free speech' it's HATE SPEECH and in case you haven't noticed, the only people who ever do it are Jew-hating freaks, and the only reason they do it is because they're obsessed with 'getting' the Jews. No sane, honest people deny the Holocaust. Jew-haters yell about it because they want to paint Jews as liars. Holocaust denial is outlawed because it's just a bigoted libel and slander against Jews. It's not 'free speech' it's a bigoted, dishonest attack on the Jewish people. So the law defends Jews from hate speech. Only antisemitic liars are affected by it.

And as for the scumbag who suggests a '1 state solution', no, sorry, the Jewish people aren't giving up their only homeland to maniacs who want to swarm in and make Israeli Jews a minority under an Islamic majority that wants to destroy them. There are over 20 arab countries, dozens of muslim countries, and antisemites like you want to destroy the world's only jewish country, and you aren't honest enough to admit it so you pretend that '1 state' is a solution -- but only for jews, right? Everyone else in the world gets to keep their country. No one has to 'combine' countries, except jews and the people who want to kill them.

I repeat my assertion that only a tiny percentage of Germans even knew of the holocaust much less had any control over it. Millions of Germans died, millions were in the armed forces, or civilians. Probably less than 1% worked anywhere near or a part of a concentration camp. And which private is going to disobey orders and be shot? Or which general? Please give some numbers and facts if I am wrong. I think its obvious Germany was fighting a losing battle against superior forces and didn't have the luxury of having front line troops relax in concentration camps. At least some of the Israeli pilots have refused to drop bombs on Palestinian civilians, but they only face harassment and expulsion and not death for treason.

It is a crime to think ? 1984 ? This law is a crime.

then you should be prosecuted as a denial of crimes against humanity

A tiny minority? Have you no shame or are you completely stupid? Have you not seen the hundreds of thousands hysterically applauding Hitler's speaches? The executions all over Europe of innocent hostages? The destruction of Guernica? Of Lidice? This death industry demanded an immense popular support.Evil was everywhere not only in the camps. If you are not mentallyretarded

I don't understand. He didn't deny the holocaust from this quote. Of course this guy is a racist and nut, but he didn't actually break the law did he? As for the 75,000 French Jews, there is no defense for that. But... the extermination did not happen in France. They were taken to the various camps in Germany or Poland weren't they? So his statements about what happened in France, might be technically correct, although obviously wrong in spirit. I am actually curious to know how bad the Germans were. They were not actually all that bad to the US POW's. In fact, many of the German military were very professional, did not like Hitler, and did not go along with his extreme policies toward Jews, Gypsies, Communists, gays, etc. Should every Jew in the world be judged for what the Irgun and Stern Gangs did? I don't think so. Nor should every German be judged for what a tiny percentage did in the camps.