Flood of sewage in Gaza Strip village kills at least five people

Too bad you don't care enough about these people to denounce their leaders which have funneled their funds away from municipal infrastructure and into a war with Israel.

The Palestinian people have been living in terrible conditions with poor medical service. I wrote some time ago-it would only be a matter of time before disease broke out in such living conditions. What goes around has a habit of coming around, SG. Nature always has the final say!

Who is to blame - according to the BBC the pals have known and been awear of the problem for the past few years.

Put the blame where the blame is due. They had the donations to fix the place and they didn't do it. And if the area was violent, they could have gone in and locked the criminals up so the work could have been done.

The reason you (our cousins the pals) are suffering is because you continue to not accept the fact that the Jews are good people and you must stop hurting them. The Jews however, must also do what they are supposed to do which is to keep Shabbos, eat only kosher and keep G-d's commandments include to Love and not hate any fellow Jew. Rather encourage the Jews to repent and say to them "Keep your Torah as G-d commanded you to. Regret all your sins(both known and unknown)and really start to the truely and sincerely best to keep the Torah and you will succeed".Because when the Jews keep the Torah this brings blessing to the whole world.If the nations of the world want to sincerely help the palestinians they should build their economy by bringing high-tech and low-tech(clothing etc.) companies through incentives to invest in the palestinian economy. Rather than giving them money which the leaders use for terrorism.

israel.israel might find some artifacts......

when the un proposed the establishment of two states in the region-one jewish,one arab-the jews accepted the proposal and declared their independence in 1948.the jewish state contituted only 1/6 of one percent of what was known as the arab world.the arab states, however, rejected the un plan and since then have waged war against israel repeatedly, both all-out wars and wars of terrorism and attrition.in 1948, five arab armies invaded israel in an effort to eradicate it.jamal husseini spoke for many in vowing to soak "the soil of our beloved country with the last drop of our blood."............................. ............STOP BLAMING ISRAEL.............

hOW WORSE CAN IT POSSIBLY GET . Your buddys are the diseaase and they are already spreading into YESH and Israel. We must isolate that disease and send it to Jordan or Saudi Arabia.

GOOD ONE. ALLAH MUST BE A MOSSAD AGENT!!!!!!!!

Wind is blowing east too, not good.

We tried to warn you.

ARE YOU ON DRUGS OR JUST A PLAIN MORON. WHAT DOES A SEWER COLLAPSE HAVE TO DO WITH A EARTHQUAKE. duh!!!!!!!!

Gaza has always been and will be one Giant Sewer Hole. But the residents will probably be moved to a camp and designated as Refugess if they are not Refugees already.

All nasty stuff that the IDF does, only surpassed by the alternative.

What a joke? Blaming Isreal for not helping those who are trying to kill their citizens, those who deny their right to exist, those who deny the undeniable historic connection Jews have had to Israel and surrounding lands. And, all this all began before the State of Isreal came into being before any act on the part of a State that didn't exist! So, where is the Saudi $ or the money of the many, many, very rich Arabs of the world? I know this economic power was used to finance their priority, killing Jews by financing suicide bombers to do their insane and evil work. So, who has moral culpability here?

A 2004 United Nations report warned that the sewage facility was at its maximum capacity and flooding was inevitable unless a new waste treatment plant was constructed. It said that even without overflowing, the effluent lake posed a serious health hazard, providing a breeding ground for mosquitoes and waterborne diseases.

It seems that in your pathological hatred you wish disease upon innocent Jewish men, women, and children. Your views are sick, perverted, and racist.

Not the way round.

I will be spending my time between Gaza and London like many of you do. I never lived in Lebanon, I also never been to Lebanon and I don't wana go there. My favourit Arab destinations are Jordan, Egypt, Tunisia.

Maybe you should know that the oh so humanitarian IDF after destroying all the infrastructures in gaza, has promised to destroy any new ones that would be build to replace them. So nothing to do with using money to buy weapons. And a question, why lots of these talkback monsters wishing the destruction and killing of arabs and palestinians can do so in total impunity while the minimal criticism of israel bring massive accusations of nazism, antisemitism and general bolloking?

instead of spending money to build an infrastucture. hamas lines their pockets with the millions in aid they are getting around the world and spend it on rockets terror training camps to attack israel. palestinian people dont seem to be doinf anything about it. on the contrary. they support their own demise. they voted for those devils.

Condolences to those who have lost their loved ones and their animals and their homes! Please - can we stop shooting and start working? What will it take? We're all JUST PEOPLE - can't we help each other? When will the builders prevail over the bombers? Soon I hope! Shalom, salaam.

Where was your oice of outrge when a two year old and a four yer old were gunned down in the treet by Pals? DAMNN!! I wish you had been here to give the Pals a tongue lashing too. No one has been arrested yet.

Those posting messages cannot save or salvage any lives lost. They certainly can remind the international community that these lives wouldn't have been lost if Arafat had allowed Israel, the international community, and Arab countries that had offered, to build sufffcient municipal infrastructure. There is no reason for posters to "hang their heads in shame". Those who should feel shame are those who choose to support those who block the infrastructure upgrades by excusing the terrorists who use residential sites for their terrorist operations.

You posted you hd purchased property in London. Will you be returning to Gaza when it has become a Pal State or staying in London? Just curious about your plans. I know you won't return to Lebanon.

I hope this flood will last long :D And to Sweden: Build anything more and i will see to it personaly it gets blown up.

Why?

Send them your paycheck

The Pal Gov KNEW about the problem.

Some Gov the Pals have in Gaqza. Why buy weapons when you need sewers? JEEZ!!! Have they got it backward or what.

Oh the hipocrisy! Idf kill palestinians, destroy their houses, confiscate their land, threatens to blow up any attempt of building new infrastructure...but hey! they offer assistance when OOOPS tragedy happens. Yes make the IDF clean up!

I was referring to those people who have posted messages and seem to have forgotten to care that lives were lost.

Who should be ashamed? Seems like it's you who should be ashamed, for supporting people like Hamas who think it's more important to drive fancy cars and buy weapons that it is to see to the most basic welfare of their people. Please take your sh1t elsewhere where it is more appreciated. What does Israel and anti-Semitism have to do with this event?

Who are you blaming for not caring? As far as I know the IDF offered to assist, and the offer was turned down. You should contemplate your knee-jerk reactions.

IDF (Israel) has offered assistance.

...but obviously message of goodwill is too controversial for today's censors. To drown in a river of shit is a disgusting and horrific way to go, my cosolations to the families of the dead and good luck to the victims and their families for a recovery. Politics and the blame game play little part in this, we should just remember that a horrific fate was doled out to a number of people, and many more have lost their houses. There has not been 'constant shelling' and, hopefully, neither are Hamas and the PA doing nothing. Let's try to get some perspective on a human tragedy and put aside mutual bitching and back-biting for once.

The Palestinians would rather spend money on rockets to hurt Israelis then on infrastructure to help their children,mothers and sisters. If they can build tunnels and rockets they can certainly have built dykes---but it's not as much FUN as KILLING for them.

you're right...laban prospered when jacob worked with him...the pharoah of egypt prospered when joseph lived in egypt.I still believe in this verse in the bible:that God blesses those who bless israel;and curses them that curse israel.

What a stereotypical rascist view you have. People are human beings whatever their race. All want to have a decent life. As things are in the Gaza ghetto, that is next to impossible.

Before offering humanitarian assistance to those who would kill you if given the opportunity,are there no citizens in all of Eretz Yisroel who are currently in need of humanitarian assistance at this time? What about the expelees from Gush Katif or the Ethiopian and other new immigrants or the people of sederot?

We all know now that they should have resisted. They elected Rumkovsky and see where that got them. Many Palestinians resist bravely against the US supplied IDF.

Disease and air born infections will not recognize the apartheid wall! Beware of the 'backwash' from your sins Israel.

Is not gonna happen for a very long time. The West Bank Arabs won't let it happen, they fear the Gazans and want nothing to do with them. The West Bankers will try to make it look like it's Israel who's against the landbridge of course.

....including three children, 25 are injured and homes are lost yet all many of you can do is blame the victims and spew hatred. You should all hang your heads in shame. It always amazes me that those who call everyone anti-Semites for disagreeing with Israel's barbaric policies are the biggest racists on the planet. How can people without morality expect morality in other people?

This is just another example of the brewing sewage buildup that is Palestine. It's time for the Palestinians to take some g-d damn responsibility for something besides terror. It's time for the Arab world to wake up and smell the sh1t. The middle east conflict exists only because of hatred and proud dictators who abuse the Palestinians to serve there own hatred. The Palestinians, who have no doubt suffered at the hands of the Israelis, must stand up, clean up and stop swimming in a flow of sewage all the way to Teheran. A people must earn nationhood. This is a simple equation... people + land + sense of national responsibility + value of human life and its survival - filthy blind radical belief - guns and bombs x national respect. For the leaders of Hamas and the Brotherhood, this simple equation finds no home in the textbooks of Palestine.

improvements in Gaza, the Palestinians have recieved billions in aid from the international community over the last 20 years, and yet they still manage to live in slums. How much of that money ever made it to the Palestinian people? The leaders wanted guns instead.

The Palestinians who were killed are victims and nobody is blaming them. Most of the posts are blaming those who had the money and control to do something with it and instead used it to attack Israel. Those are not the same ones living in slums. They have our compassion for loss of life, as Israel and most Jews have for any loss of life. It is time for the Palestinian people to stop living in forced Ghettos and poverty, and the way out is by improving their own lives first. They can easily do this by forcing their leaders to spend the money on themselves instead of on weapons. P.S. If anything, Palestinians are the ones who blame victims, Jewish civilians, claiming they will one day be in the army, have kids who will be in the army, or help someone who will be in the army, and therefore claim there are no Israeli civilians, and have no compassion when their martyr children blow up a restaurant of innocent men, women and children.

The deaths are all the more lamentable because this was so avoidable. Now, on the heels of Swedish PM Bildt'd decision to basically recognize the Hamas government, perhaps he can ask Haniyeh and Abbas what happened to the money Sweden sent for the buidling of sewage treatment facilities in Gaza. Perhaps it was used for weapons. Perhaps it's in a Swiss bank account while the felaheen are deposited in raw sewage. You'd think the Swedes would want to know. But, here's the rub. They won't be able to stand the truth. And, that truth is that since THEY did not follow the money and make sure it was used as intended, they are as much to blame as the Palestinian crooks who siphoned it off. Both the Swedes and the Palestinians are up to their necks in this one. Worst of all, the damned UN, whose ONLY strategy has been to maintain the ugliness and uselessness of the UN built, managed and never updated refugee camps they keep as the touchstone of Palestinian aspirations, should be ashamed!!

IN THAT CASE HOW DO THEY PRODUCE ALL THIS SEWAGE!! AMAZING THERE IS NO WORK IN GAZA AND AS IS USUAL WITH ARABS THEY NEGLECT ESSENTIAL WORKS LIKE THIS !

THE $h*^ Has hit the fan. Time for the Arabs to make some real choices and stop believeing that the millions 1.3 billion the USA sent them last year is being sent off into foriegn bank accounts of there leaders. Time to wake up ARABS

So 100 families have lost everything, 5 are dead, 33 wounded and 10 are still under the rubble. But I guess you dont really care, they are only Palestinians, after all...... But I do care. I think this is great. Less of the damn pals to sponge off the rest of us reasonable hard working arabs.

THEY ARE SAYING A TUNNLE COLAPSED ON THEM. The real reports are that the 6 people that died were underground in a arms smuggling tunnel concealed by the water above and that it gave way fill the underground tunnel and killing all inside. On top of this is caused the wall to give way allowing both holding pools to flow free into the towns. Sounds like this is the cause. Anyone who is knowledge of these reservoirs will catch the problem right away. The only and only other reason for this could and only be it was aloud to happen by over filling to create more sympathy for their finacial condition.

There may also be a direct connection of the fact that nobody was interested in reinforcing the sire as it was often used as a launching spot for Kassams and therefore was a target for Israeli retaliation. I have a sneaky suspicion that the Beduin residents of the camp themselves have nothing to do with it, but were powerless to prevent Hamas and IJ hoodlums from invading their space to use as a launch base.

"The idiots in the PLO are still spending money on more guns instead of sewers and disposal plants" ---kowalski Same goes for Israel. Our "river of dreck" is still the same poisonous Yarkon. Nothing changed after the Macabia event when the bridge collapsed (see also IDF divers that got poisoned at another sewage 'lake') but a lot has changed in IDF budget.

Yep Isreal is also responsible for sun spots as well. And if any one thinks my logic is ludicrous so is anyones logic in blaming Isreal. Heaven forbid that it be labled as "just one of those things."

How about taking responsibility for your actions for once? You're up to your neck in shit because of your own mismanagement, not ours.

i guess you smell gorgonzola ... mr mussolini

Giving aid to the PALS is like throwing money down a sewer. Don't take responsibility but just blame the Jews. It's always the fault of the Jews. I call this population control.

its good for your retirment , we in lebanon are peparing the next round of war

Genesis, you make the claim that "when sweden and eu offered to build gaza sewage system and water treatment facilities, israel threatened to blow it up." Can you provide a link to substantiate that this alleged threat was actually made? If you are unable to do so, then perhaps you might consider changing your name to Goebells.

Maybe the tunnels are to blame for the collapse of the sewage, or maybe the weight of the qassams, or both.

amerika did this!!!!!!!!

How did they know there was a sewage spill?

Give us a state so that we can stink up your entire world with poison gas!!

Thats how witches may have looked like, from fairy tales, http : slash slash www dot haaretz dot com/hasite/images/iht_daily/D270307/Bonfire.jpg

Give "peace," take "rights." The "open" Gazan border was closed following "overtures" by Israel when they ehnically cleansed their own Jews from Gaza. Then in principle the Gazans were "able to govern themselves." The Pal reaction: More violence & election of an even more hostile group to the possibility of any kind of peace with Israel. Question: Why do Gazans continue to "give" support to those who "take" the possibility of a decent life from them?

You exemplify much of what is wrong with the Country. You curse your brother and support the enemy. You would rather drown in a sea of Sheinkin lattes or punch a fence than extend your hand to a fellow Jew in need. Ronen, you would serve the country better by becoming a yored.

There is a direct connection between the many sewage overflows in Gaza and Israel's June bombing of Gaza's only power station. Usually the sewage is treated and pumped out to sea, but there has not always been adequate power to run the pumps since the station was destroyed. Even now, between gas generators, the new plant opened in November, and power from Israel and Egypt, supply only meets about 80% of demand. The article is conspicuously silent on the reasons behind the fact that "the level of sewage in the pool had increased over the past few days". Heavy rain, power shortages, a sharp surge in bowel movements? I don't know why Ha'aretz all of the sudden decides to report on this issue. Maybe this overflow was especially bad.

we have a saying in the US. Sh*t happens.Especially to people who are their own worst enemies.

I am very sorry for those people. But the Lodz ghetto was not a haven for terrorists.

The IDF's offer of help in the sewage flood catastrophe shows more class than many of the pro-Israel Talkback posts. In my opinion, the Israelis and Palestinians who see things only through a narrow, self-interest, ethnocentric prism, do not deserve either peace or democracy. Unfortunately, all citizens wind up paying the horrible price for the extremists in both Israel and Palestine.

The idiots in the PLO are still spending money on more guns instead of sewers and disposal plants. When are the arab voters going to rise up against the leaders who subject them to rivers of dreck???

To all of those who would blame Israel rather than put the blame where it belongs, you are not doing the Palestinian people any favors. On the contrary you're stupid reasoning only covers the real problem that plagues Palestinian society. THE MONEY FOR THE SEWAGE PLANT WAS SENT BUT IT WAS STOLEN AND THE PLANT WAS NEVER BUILT. Check it out before you write your pitiful postings that are superfluous and harmful, a smoke screen that only hides the real culprits, officials of the Palestinian Administration.

The standard of living for Arabs throughout Gaza and the West Bank would be much better, and life for their families would be so much better if the Arabs would agree to live in peace with Jews. Sounds simple, doesn't it? Sounds logical, doesn't it? Sounds civilized, doesn't it? Does any civilized person, in this entire world, expect the Arabs of Gaza and the West Bank to choose peace and prosperity, instead of misery and hating Jews? Sadly, the answer is somewhere between NO and NEVER......

with Palestinian refugees receiving monetary compensation instead of flooding Israel.

People are angry because Hamas didn't give them much support and so do I. I want Hamas to recognise Israel, if they don't do that then Hamas should resign from PA government and hand power to Fatah. Lets go back to the root, generally it is Israel fault, boycotting the government and not starting peace talks. Opening borders at least, allowing Pals to visit Gaza and West Bank, open the Gaza airport and Gaza port....etc. yeah its both Israel larg fault and Hamas medium fault.

...problems. Besides, they had no electricity, no running water. Israel has no obligation to supply GAZANS with anything. HAMAS wants to destroy Israel, - Hamas shouldn't ask Israel for help. PALIS: YOU DO QASSAMS YOURSELF, - DO YOURSELF SEWAGE SYSTEMS TOO.

Sorry Ronen, this was one disaster that need not have occurred. And yes it can be attributed directly to the consistent anti-Israel/Zionist ideology of Hamas. Or as some would like (whatever the color of their bible), to attribute the tragedy to "divine retribution."

It lets us see the haters in our midst!

no no, I changed my mind I'm not gona write to u.

You get what you vote for.

You are an american whor who would love to see the bothside goes to war forever.

Question: Then, is it not Hamas who is responsible for this tragedy and not Israel?

Let's talk about this again when the next major ME earthquake (already a few decades overdue) is over.

With the orange edition of the bible everything can be explained as long as it serves the ideology of the people that hide behind it. Disasters always happen - you are one of them.

Shels. So it seems to me ,the terrorist Palis are shoting kasams from sewege area.Real idiots.

to smugle wepons for terror. Why cant they build a normal sewege treatment facility??? Wrong priorities.

so as to appeal to world sympathy.

sewage pipes are made of pvc, concrete or HDPE. no one insisted on using metal pipes for anything but the parts where they are necessary (very few - mostly facilities). israel refused to agree. several times reports appeared, claiming most of the qassam parts come from israel - mainly metal water pipes. now - i'm not en encyclopedia and im not going to give You all the information, until i see You want to do something Yourself. for sterters check the following: http://www.commongroundnews.org/article.php?mode=8&id=997 http://www.ios.org.il/site/pubPage.asp?id=142&cat=WA http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/833017.html http://ec.europa.eu/comm/external_relations/gaza/news/ip03_1040.htm as well as any info on North Gaza Emergency Sewage Treatment Project cheers

Not to mention that Intel had announced its intentions to build a manufacturing plant in Gaza soon after Israel pulled out. Plaestinians deciding to use Gaza as a base of qassam attacks against Israel seems to have changed the minds of the corporate office. I recently read that Intel is now building a manufacturing plant in China. Doesn't take much to guess which area will have their plant built first.

No need to read your nonsense. The titles are enough. Here are the facts. The international funds for the building of a new sewage waste treatment plant have already been in place for a year. The reason it can't be built is that the area is a kassam launching area and Israeli bombing responses make it too dangerous for the construction to proceed. It is another case of palestinian 'leaders' choosing terror and war over their people's needs. Nothing new here. This is really an old story it just is more obscene and smelly.

you said it well spend $$ on the people so they can live.... not on bombs

How should I know, I'm not a Hamas MP or a member in the Hamas party. I will try to answer your questions in away of how Pals think of Hamas. Regarding your first question: Its could be Hamas behind them, allowing them firing rockets. Since Hamas won the election the rockets have increased. About your second question: yes.

If the Arab Islamist-Jihadists did not waste millions of dollars buying guns, bombs and rockets to kill Jews, they would have improved their sewage system and developed a better society for themselves. The price of hatred, belligerence, violence and wallowing in the evil ideology of Jihadism is being hit by a sewage Tsunami. This will trigger an epidemic of diseases and other social problems.

Maybe if they spent there money to fix things and stop saying it everyone elses fault and stop buying weapons and making Kassams this would not have happened. TO BAD SO SAD. That there goverment would rather buy Ammo and exsplosives then repair this failing sewage facility. Or feed there people. Where do all the trucks entering GAZA with tons and TONS of food go ? We see tyhem drive in all day long?

but they chose to make war on Israel rather than help their own people.

The Palestinians received the equivalent of $300 per year each last year while the US alone paid the Israelis` $10,500 each to buy bombs and weapons and murder people. At least they get $300 why dont you send them some money? Not are fault we are friends and USA sees to help us and us them. You make it sound as they are intitled to more money ? Why don't they creat work or get jobs? Oh that means no hand outs.

Put down the glass pipe and take a good healthy breath of fresh air. Ok now are you saying we can cut water supply and electruity that Us Israeli send to there areas? Because we all know they do not produce there own electricty. Or water. oh and we Israelis we foot the bill for that.

WITH FACTS

The most prosperity the Arabs of the Gaza Strip ever experienced was when Israel controlled the strip and Gush Katif was thriving and providing employment for many local Arabs. Since Israel pulled out and even more, since Gush Katif was destroyed, the situation of the Arabs there has only gotten worse and worse. This is as prophecied in the Bible....Eretz Israel only prospers when its children, the Jews, are settling it. Even the non-Jewish residents benefit. Since the Jews were forced out (by their own government, no less), one disaster after another for the Arabs...civil war, poverty and now this disaster.....

Sanitiation pipes are made from plastic (PVC). If the Arabs were insisting on Swedish steel pipe for their sanitiaion system, well...I'd be suspicious too. Do you have any links for this "Swedish steel pipe story" or is just something you heard, made up, or want to believe? Israel makes PVC pipe, maybe the Arabs will finally pay for something other then AK47s......Nah.

"Shepard said that since the report was published, international funding for a new plant had been secured but construction had not been able to go ahead because of the high security risks in the area. Palestinian militants routinely fire rockets at Israel from the dunes near the plant and Israel responds with artillery fire." Question: Does this tragedy have anything, just in any small way, to do with Hamas allowing "Palestinian militants to routinely fire rockets at Israel?" Another question: Leaving the issue of Israel aside, just for a fleeting moment, isn't Hamas supposed to look out for the "social & health" welfare of its electorate? Yes? No?

Marilyn,on your calculation,Israel was given US$68,280,000,000.00.I think you have exagerated a bit. They actualy receive roughly US$480.00 each per year,which is about US$3,000,000,000.00. a big differance. Please do not let your hate for Israel,drift into the realms of fantasy. By the way,68 billion dollars is nearly America's defence budget.

Remind us again how happy you were that the Gazans initiated war against a sovereign nation by abducting and murdering her soldiers?

"Do you think the Palestinians would prefer to live in hell than to one state solution?" Do you read the posts of your fellow Palestinians? Many do choose the Islamic one state solution replacing Israel. Others post they'd rather stay stateless than give up the notion of attempting to force Israel to accept millions of hostile refugee Arabs.

What I meant is this: More money please, we Palestinians still living under Israel occupation. If not occupation then its siege, if not seige then its border blocks if not all these then where is the our state?

I always hope the day when you run our of excuses for your antipathy and blind anti-Israel bias. But my hopes are always dashed. You just can always come up with excuses. Be it a sewage tsunami, a tornado on Khan Yunis, a hurricane on Rafah, it is always possible for you to blame Israel, and do it seriously. What a talent for sophism, what a special virtue of dialectics. And all this from Australia. In admiration, Fortuna Benmayor.

How about Palestinians taking care of their house? How about realizing that you ran out of excuses, and the only thing left is your blind, stupid, irrational hatred towards Israel and its people?

Period. All the rest lacks compassion.

This is a disaster day for us.

Defense Minister Amir Peretz instructed the Gaza Liason Administration to offer any assistance necessary to the Palestinians. Sources at the administration said that they had been in touch with their Palestinian counterparts and offered medical aid, as well as the raw materials needed to fix the wastewater wall that caved in. The Palestinians expressed their appreciation, but said that, for now, they were able to deal with the flooding on their own.

There are some truly disgusing creatures who write to this blog and they frankly don't deserve to be called human beings. When Israel committed the war crime of blowing up the power station in Gaza last year and then closed all the crossings and stopped most of the aid this was inevitable. It is sickening and shameful that some should gloat and others claim that the Palestinians get too much aid. The Palestinians received the equivalent of $300 per year each last year while the US alone paid the Israelis' $10,500 each to buy bombs and weapons and murder people. Disgusting, and shameful US and Israel.

"Send more money." "Blame the Occupation." Man, I couldn't have asked for a better encapsualation of the Palestinian national "movement." Thanks Tamir Gaza! You are funnier than even you realize.

stop yelling and calling people names. i don't expect fanatic sionists to understand it, just as i wouldn't expect islamic fundamentalists to understand. when sweden and eu offered to build gaza sewage system and water treatment facilities, israel threatened to blow it up. than there was 'pipes for quassam case' - look it up. so - don't You all objectively think, that it wolud be much better to allow europeans to fund a construction, with european technicians and administrators, so all the materials would be controlled by the europeans, there would be no 'pipes for quassams' and all the other problems? this was isreals chance to show something to palestinian people - not just islamic terrorists. and israel blew it.

All the blames goes to Israel occupation:)

Instead of screaming genocide and "enough said", why don't you elaborate the connection between a sewage flood and your rediculously inflated claims. If you want to call attention to real genocide, please find a Sudanese news site and express your totally justified concern. You are here not because there is a genocide against the Palestinians, but because you dislike Israel, dislike Jews, or dislike your government's support of either.

It seems to me that you are looking to collect so much informations. You wana find out about the Pals reaction, whats their views toward a one state and a two state solution? My question to you; Do you think the Palestinians would prefer to live in hell than to one state solution?

how dare you use my name especially since you are an illegal resident, doubling as a human being with a brain, who has nothing but hate for his agenda.

C'mon, somehow you folks will find a way to blame Israel. event though the PA gets millions in aid & could fix such things instead of buying guns.....

Only 10% of the money the Hamas and Fattah leaders are stealing is going towards weapons, all the rest is going into private Swiss Bank accounts; likely in the same bank where Arrafat kept his misappropriated funds. Allah, please save these naive people. They are their worst enemy!!!

Answer please

let me ignore the fact You ignored the first part. as for the second one - and Your responses - You could actually put some work in before commenting, so You just don't sound ridiculous in the future. beside the fact, that You both have obviously no idea about neither the swedish proposal nor the 'pipe for quassams case', You should at least pretend to be civilized people and not call other 'idiots'. You have not been raised in this way, i presume? well, if You DO check what the case looked like, You will realize at what moment Israelis claimed those pipes CAN be used for quassam construction and what approximate number of them WERE used in this way - according to the IDF estimates. also - how many were actually allowed into Gaza. and this will bring You to the point of realizing how nonsens Your comments are. have a good one, mates.

If Israel wants her neighbour to flourish and live in peace they would've helped them long time ago. Instead, Israel ensures the Pals living conditions never improve. So stupid! Think of the consequences.

Enough said!!!!!

I hope your people get this mess cleaned up safely and quickly. Do you support the two state solution? A Palestinian state alongside the Jewish state of Israel?

It won't be long before the whole of Gaza becomes one BIG CESSPOOL.

'israelis claimed, that they`re used for quassam rockets, instead of sewage construction. obviously they don`t realize that it would take several thousands quassam rockets one by one to construxt just one short part of the sewage system.' Guess what they have launched thousands of rockets already and built thousands more. Stop supplying the terrorists with ammunition.

QUOTE (POsting #19 from Genesis): "...Israeli involvement: yes - there is israel`s hand in this. sweden and eu offered to finance construction of sewage and water treatment system for gaza. idf immediately responded, that they will blow it up if the construction started. and when the shipping of metal pipes for the system commenced, israelis claimed, that they`re used for quassam rockets, instead of sewage construction. obviously they don`t realize that it would take several thousands quassam rockets one by one to construxt just one short part of the sewage system...." This IDIOT writes himself/herself/itself (see above) "...it would take several thousands quassam rockets one by one to construxt just one short part of the sewage system..." If it is true (as Geneses tated), the concern of Israelis would be natural: Really, instead of "one short part of the sewage system" terrorists could prepare "several thousands quassam rockets". Very SAD, Very BAD: What terrorists are doing?

Thanks for reminding us that the Palestinian have no responsibility whatsoever to use the billions in international aid to build and reinforce infrastruture. I can see the shrewd strategy of Arafat, and next Hamas, in play here when he refused to have Palestinian refugee camps and villages modernized. If Palestinians would rather their leaders waste funds on illegal weapons to kill Israelis rather than than villages and cities, far be it from me to say otherwise.

probably the sewage pipes are all in Sederot send by air

I was in horror reading about the disaster in Gaza and then, all of a sudden was your post clearly politicizing the tragedy and blaming, of course, Israel, who else! Look at that: "The wall that collapsed was weakened by the constant IDF shelling..." CONSTANT right? The standard Palestinian lies. What has been constant for ages? QASSAMS!! Who is on the defensive all the time and is only replying? Israel. We were the ones digging tunnels to kidnap Shalit? etc. Why? Instead of digging tunnels, not reinforce weak walls of sewage tanks? You are killing not only Israelis but your own people.

Hope the village is cleaned up quickly.

If its true as you say that the wall was weakened by constant Israeli shelling, I guess you have to ask why they were shelling. Could it have been in response to the never ending barrage of kutusha rockets fired at Israel. So Hamas is just cleaning up the mess it is resposible for, the same as Hizbollah clearing up Lebanon after the war for which it was responsible. The human suffering in this situation is indeed tragic. I wonder if you have the same sentiment to the loss of life and suffering of innocent Israeli's due to suicide bombing etc, or are they just Israelis, after all?

I am currently in Gaza and I have been to Um Nasser. Hamas is helping to clean up the mess and to provide emergency help for the people. I am sure you will be happy to hear this. Also, I have seen many greenhouses today and they are not in rubble but growing a variety of things. The wall that collapsed was weakened by the constant IDF shelling in the area. During clean-up operations, many unexploded shells were discovered in the area, which hinders the rescue workers. Waste water from the Israeli side is still being pumped into the sewage lake. I think you should revise your 100% the Palestinians' fault statement. And thank you for your concern for the human beings who have just suffered a catastophy. 100 families have lost everything, 5 are dead, 33 wounded and 10 are still under the rubble. But I guess you dont really care, they are only Palestinians, after all......

I'm with you! This is horrific. Putting aside the legitimate reasons both sides have for hating each other, these people deserve compassion. Basic human decency says we should help these people who have lost their homes. Just because someone else behaves badly does not give us the right to put aside our morals.

WISH YOU THE SAME , PHIL !

could not have said it better myself if i tried, beautifully stated! We are in a constant battle against ignorance! The stupid statements from some of the people on this forum is mind bogling!

Quite frankly, it is always easy to blame the victims. These poor people have been suffering for decades and when something like this happens, they are blamed for it. For goodness sake people, have you no mercy for palestinians!??? No wonder there will be no peace. It's because of people like you!!!!Disgusting!

yes - there is israel's hand in this. sweden and eu offered to finance construction of sewage and water treatment system for gaza. idf immediately responded, that they will blow it up if the construction started. and when the shipping of metal pipes for the system commenced, israelis claimed, that they're used for quassam rockets, instead of sewage construction. obviously they don't realize that it would take several thousands quassam rockets one by one to construxt just one short part of the sewage system.

While the IDF was instructed to give assistance, the Pals use this tragedy to rile against Israel once again.

The newshour from the BBC English World Service has just featured a Gaza health official trying to blame the Israelis for the whole thing. The host kept on trying to ask questions about the events as the official rattled on about the history of Gaza and israel. She finally gave up and cut him off. Even the BBC propganda machine has its limits, I guess. ( Claire Bolderson, making up for previous reporting sins against Israel.)

Hamas is directly to blame. They wanted war and terrorism, so international donors stopped funding the Palestinian Water Authority (a branch of the Hamas-dominated government) I hope that the Palestinians vote better next time. This is a tragedy. I hope the Palestinians learn to make it their last.

in Swiss banks instead of improving their living conditions. Your comparisons are idiotic,

although this isn't new now is it.

Hamas should be looking after their people. Instead of this they using them, and their well being, as hostages for Israel's destruction.

Will they ask for it and will the Israelis come to their aid. I hope so on both sides.

Let Hamas clean this mess up, isn't that the reason the foreign press loves to claim they were elected, for their wonderful humanitarian work in the territories? Just like with the greenhouses, anything given by foreign donors to the palestinians ends up in rubble; they are too busy buying guns and bombs with every last cent they have to worry about water treatment centers or general infastructure. This is 100% their own fault, when you lie down with dogs don't be shocked when you wake up with fleas.

What a shame that Arafat's wife is sitting with millions in her bank and most of the $ that reaches Palestinians is spent on bullets, weapons development, and employing thousands of extra and unnecessary gunmen who cause much more harm than good. A true vision for the future- give the Palestinians 20 years to show they can develop themselves as a people, Israel will stay out of their lives. If they continue using all their weapons for military and violent purposes, as they have done for the last 50 years, tough on them. The only problem- Israel can't give them 1 hour without being fired on; thats what happened when they left Gaza.

Ziad Abu Farya, head of the village council, described the scene as "our tsunami."

the corruption of the ruling elite was no doubt one of the reasons for the Hamas victory...the Islamists are very good at the "moral angle" in electoral (or extraparlimentary) politics. However, the author of the story does not tell us whether the minister who was shot at was a Hamas official (one infers that it was since it was in Gaza). In other words, the Palestinian public (desparagingly referred to as the "steeet") perhaps is getting a whiff of a different kind of corruption: the complete failure to provide services due to the Iranian agenda that Hamas so dutifully marches to. Perhaps Hamas should reconsider the Quartet's demands to recognize Israel and to make peace and not just a hudna. The "street" in both Israel and Palestine will benefit and be able to join together to oust the bastards who use religion to divide us and keep us poor on both sides of the fence! It would be great if the offer of help is seen as help from the Israeli street and genuine brotherhood!

about having conditions like the Gazan Arabs have.... receiving billions in aid self-rule popular elections a sea front 10s of sq kms of free movement etc

If you don't like the government's functioning, shoot the minister in question. Again, Palestinian democracy at work.

Just wondering just when might be the time that the palestinians say enough is enough and demand a better and more peaceful existence...that maybe by peacefully coexisting with Israel their lives might be better. So one wonders if the world will blame Israel for this and one wonders if the pals will clean this up THEMSELVES or depend on others.

Remember the Lodz ghetto where the jew brought their sewage out by hand- drawn barrows. The unfortunate population in gaza, the majority of whom are refugees from their homes in pre-67 Israel, are living in somewhat similar conditions. Without the genocide of course.

What a disgusting human being.