Five Palestinians killed by IDF troops in West Bank, Gaza

"Firstly, I did say 'or any other ethnic group'." Needless to say, that would include Moslems." Joanne, Moslems are not an 'ethnic group." Islam is a religion, like Christianity, which counts as its adherents many ethnic groups, Arabs, Turks, various African peoples, Pakistanis, Persians, etc.

Please give your lovely daughter a warm kiss for me. I'm curious as to the wager???

Gina More options 4:22 pm (2½ hours ago) "What I say should be done to US soldiers who abuse and violate human rights also applies to Israeli ones. It is MY view. take it or leave it." I agree that just as American soldiers who commit crimes should be puinished, so should Israeli soldiers who commit crimes should be punished. In fact, I'm fairly certain I have read articles where Israeli soldiers who have stolen property from Palestinian individuals have been sentenced to jail terms. What is unfair, and is also immoral, is to suggest that ALL Israeli soldiers are criminals when factually, the majority have not participated in criminal activity. And do you truly believe that Egyptian soldiers (also a recipient of US aid) have a lesser percentage engaged in criminal activity? Again, your agenda is obvious if you solely single out Israel out of context with other countries.

Quote " Joseph might very well be flirting with you, but I just gotta love you. This post was perfect." My first post to Gina is crystal clear for your confirmation , I am not flirting with Gina Her talkback post # 100 is indicative of common woman experience and gossip matters it happens , it exist eventhough her sharp logic and humor reflected from her posts in general Some womens beautifull in mind would confirm my say The above being said and clarified , With all due respect to both of you , you're both welcome to rebut or correct ect... my posts in general or accurately ect... .

I am not informed?!? You really do not know who you are talking to. Are you familiar with Professor Ruth Firer of the Truman Institute for the Advancement of Peace? When the myth of Palestinian textbooks emerged she was quoted as saying in the Le Monde that "Israeli textbooks were nothing but instruments of Zionist propaganda, full of racist cliches towards non-Jews and even towards Oriental Jews. In addition they totally failed to take into account the existence of a Palestinian people". Ruth Firer works at the Hebrew University and has been an officer of the IDF, pretty credible source I say.

Ok Bev I am neither a Muslim or an anti-semite, actually do you even know what a semite is? I didnt think so. Ok I tried finding these primary school text books that preach the killing of Jews and I could not find any credible sources outside Israel. What I do know is that the EU have reviewed the PA's curriculum and have not found such material because they have actually funded these textbooks. If this were so pronounced surely there would be an objective and independent investigation of the matter. I can however find one on Israel, go visit the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs and there you have your report. As for your "enlightened friend" that volunteers at Palestinian schools did they "enlighten" you about the realities of the occupation or did they just recount fancical stories of yelling death to Israel. I am not disputing that there is hatred against Israel amongst Palestinians but are you at all surprised given the brutal occupation they endure.

Please show me a single post where I have not advocated justice for both sides? Show me a single post where I didn't say there needs to be compromise? I don't think Orthodox Jews like me any better than the Islamists here. Hate????? I don't like you and the other women here who sling unsubstantiated islamic propoganda. Until I came to this site, I thought that women united might be the solution. You haven't answered a single question ever. e.g. don't you think it is terrible that six year olds are taught in schools that death is better than life? That shows me why you are here. Yes, I would call you an anti-semite.

"That brainwashes six year old children in their classrooms that it is a 'blessing' to kill Jews" - Bev please give me some fact, this is not the Palestinian school curriculum and never has been. I will repeat again has anyone seen the Israeli school curriculum? Im guessing the answer is no because there you have your official preaching of hatred through the promotion of Zionism. Bev please only reply to this post if you have something substantial and rational to contribute.

Maral is right when she says"What you have failed to understand, even after a lifetime in "the greatest democracy in the world", is that freedom of speech is exactly that: freedom of speech. There are no limits." Author Salaman Rushdie is but one example of the freedom Muslims permit; another the "collaborators' the PalArabs accuse and murder within minutes. Then there is R Hariri the assasinated PM of Lebanon. Can woman drive a car or go in public without veil in saudi Arabia,Ira, go to school under Taliban?Thank you Maral for reminding us of the fabulous freedoms enjoyed in the Islamic world.

Not as suspicious as you clickFOOL! Why don't you stop making anti-semitic remarks? Israel is defending itself.

"What I say should be done to US soldiers who abuse and violate human rights also applies to Israeli ones. It is MY view. take it or leave it." I agree that just as American soldiers who commit crimes should be puinished, so should Israeli soldiers who commit crimes should be punished. In fact, I'm fairly certain I have read articles where Israeli soldiers who have stolen property from Palestinian individuals have been sentenced to jail terms. What is unfair, and is also immoral, is to suggest that ALL Israeli soldiers are criminals when factually, the majority have not participated in criminal activity. And do you truly believe that Egyptian soldiers (also a recipient of US aid) have a lesser percentage engaged in criminal activity? Again, your agenda is obvious if you solely single out Israel out of context with other countries.

Margie I never said no food or trucks were entering Gaza, I referred to a very limited supply and so does the UN when they report only subsistence levels of supplies are allowed. "You have no proof about hospital supplies seized at the border" - My family personally know the hospital director at the Al Ahli Arab hospital in Gaza and he has reported this very fact to me. He will also clear up your silly idea that despite less electricity the hospitals are still able to provide a "full service". Still dont believe me well maybe you should talk to Morten Haugen of Norwegian Church Aid, he is based in Jerusalem and can give you some fantastical evidence.

Coming from someone so articulate, that's high praise. I wish Haaretz would publish those types of photos more often.

Jasmine again I invite you to look at the school cirriculum in Israel. Look at what they teach about Zionism and the history of the Jews and there you have your incitement to hatred of Palestinians. Your example that you cited is not even a real one, again do you have any fact to back your claims? No you dont!

Sacrafising your child to martydom is a very honorable thing for Palestinians. The family gets lots of money and recognition from their neighbors and countrymen. besides, there are probably another ten or so other children from same family that will want to follow his brothers footsteps to paradise with 72 wondeful virgins!

please keep it to yourself

Your "original" expressions are inane, your analogies are irrelevant, you have no analytical abilities and your knowledge of history is zilch. I asked you before. How old are you?

Joseph might very well be flirting with you, but I just gotta love you. This post was perfect.

"Do your own research my dear" You made some claims and I am asking for references on which they were based. Either you give them to be or you don't. One assumes that credible claims can be supported and I can't see why youare reluctant to prove them with sources. Refraining from doing so (by presuming to know and stating categorically what you know I will or won't do with the information) just doesn't wash with intelligent discourse. I am assuming that you are embarrassed to provide your sources and have not invested much time to corroborate them, balance your information with information from and about Israel, and indeed do have a specific agenda.

"Anyone who criticises Israel is an anti-semite." Please indicate where I called you an anti-Semite. You may be one, but I did not mention it.

"Anyone who criticises Israel is an anti-semite." Please indicate where I called you an anti-Semite. You may be one, but I did not mention it.

"You don't want to check it out! You can pretend to care, but you don`t." After having read only the first line of your post and before reading the rest - How dare you presume anything about me and decide what I want and don't want to do. Yes, I want to check it out, becasue as an Israeli who knows many Israei soldiers - my children and their friends, I have never heard them saying anything of the sort that you would wish us to believe. That is why it is important for me to know where you get your information from. You may not wish me to go to these sources becasue it doe not suit your agenda. Perhaps you are afraid of being exposed as a bigot or a useful idiot. Fine with me - but don't assume anything about me as you know nothing about me. This is an extreme case of profiling coming from someone who claims to be a bleeding heart and humane liberal.

Where in my posts I mentioned anti-Semitism or hate or that Israel is always right for that matter. You did not answer any question that I asked you. You repeat allover again the same thing and if that is what you want to believe it is fine but not necessarily true. I personally come here to discuss and learn opinions of others. I do not want to stick to my opinion no matter what but I am not willing to change it because you say so.

More enemies of humanity are sent looking for their 72 raisins. Go IDF!

That terrorist shouldnt have attacked the IDF. The parents? terrorist must be proud, celebrating their son deed and giving out candy.

Forget this guys other posts and just look at this one. What is it about what he said here that makes him anti-semitic? The conflation of Zionism and Jewishness should be understood by anyone with any even minor interest in these issues as totally discredited? If a nation kills somebody in battle and reports that they killed a militant, isn't it right to speculate that he may not have been armed? Look at the history of the U.S. in Vietnam, or today in Iraq. Any country that is occupying land and conducting military campaigns in it will kill innocents. That is why there needs to be some sort of solution. If we can't agree that anything is wrong then we can't agree that it needs to be fixed. Both sides kill innocents and both sides minimalize it, that is human nature. How is this not obvious to everyone here? I think it's a public service to question the factual basis of any article that categorically accepts the explanation offered by any military source without independent verification

and the palestinan people...warroiors that will never give up their land....israel a terror state.

you'r no fool you are an angel...

You don't have to agree with me, you don't have to like me..it doesn't matter.As I said I am equally as honest and open about my own country and it's follies. What I say should be done to US soldiers who abuse and violate human rights also applies to Israeli ones. It is MY view. take it or leave it. You can skip my postings if it causes you so much emotional distress. I am getting used to all yours. Israel is ALWAYS right, everyone else is wrong.blah blah blah........ before acusing sop many of hating and baSHING MAYBE YOU SHOULD TAKE YOUR OWN INVENTORY OF HATES, YES? HAVE A GOOD DAY and don't get so shocked that not everyone thinks the same. LOL......

B'Tselem has documented home demolitions for the purpose of exposing tunnel entrances. They find that IDF reports tend to exaggerate the extent and capacity of tunnels, and often the tunnels are not destroyed or plugged! Now why would this be...

I have seen the light, I am a total and complete moran. Please continue commenting on my character it may do some good. Feeling like less of a fool now, Thank you!

I find Clickfool rather entertaining and very intelligent. One does not need to dispose of a reptile pet that sits in a fish tank. Clickfool is our own pet Jew-hater. Jews should be proud to have someone like Clickfool on their talkback.

But the terrorists who were attacking the Israelis today were not children but adults.

Questioning the actions of the IDF is perfectly valid as we the US taxpayer fund the whole show. It has nothing to do with anti-semitism but has everything to do with morality. Currently our tax dollars help the IDF to kill around 20 Palestinian a week, and to keep nearly 10,000 in Israeli jails many illegaly transferred across an international boundary.

Joanne, thankyou very much for telling us about the great "democracy" of The United States of America. We see your society for what it is believe me we do. I see it in Canada even. So you think that Clickfool is "a vile anti-semite"? Well then, I'm happy to say "so am I!" But the definition has changed a lot in recent years, my dear Joanne.

Quote " "I am not flirting" Ah, I was hoping for the flirtation. lol Well, best not to make my husband jealous. Thank you!" My lovely little daughter says to you , Just keep on with the good work What's funny is that her and i won a wager over your talkback ,

I am changing my mind. You are still shouting Islamist propoganda. You did not respond to my question about teaching kids to love death. Had you any concern for humanity as you stated, you would have researched this atrocity immediately. Very easy to get this info. on the net. No, you are a hater repeating lies without sources. I can now tuck you away with dutch doris, marilyn and maureen, as you are kindred spirits. More ashamed that you are all women and should know better. Sorry I pegged you wrong.

Why do you think that you know what I would or would not like to hear? Go ahead tell me about US army. We do share one planet and some of your money does go to Israel but do you think that US government is so altruistic or naïve. I believe that it happens because government thinks it serves US interests. Do you think that the problem that US army has is lack of finance? Your army exists on your many too so and it gets much more of so why do not you want to change something of which you have now knowledge first then to try to right the wrongs at home? Do you think that Israel needs something to occupy or a people to oppress for it to exist? Where in your opinion does illegal occupation end? Is it 1948, 1967 or as Ahmedinojad said when Israel is no more? Who should Israel transfer the land to Hamas Gaza, Hamas Syria, Islamic Jihad or Fatah?

quote"Before I had my own State of Israel, I had Auschwitz" and before we will get back our palestine we have israel just the names are changing but the actions are the same

It is civile war not any politics. Current Israeli Goverment should go. I have some feeling Katsav could stop all this.

"Now, Is my money supporting a regime that ONLY wants JEWS? " How childish! US aid is freely given to Egypt (which has minimum to no benefit to the US whatsoever) and countries all over the planet, and yet you attempt to take a high moral ground solely when it comes to Israel, friend and ally to the US. The entire world benefits from the agricultural and medical breakthroughs of this tiny little country and you demonstrate phony outrage because Israel must kill suicide bombers and qassam cells.

T A Sheppard: "but we ALL share ONE planet.and when MY tax money (billions of it) goes to a holy war and illegal occupation..I got something to say." It's 'we' when sharring a planet and it's 'MY' tax money. Billions of it. Haaretz is really proud to have a billionaire posting on talkback. Many others, who contributed to the ACTUAL billions (not YOUR) might not agree with you.. You are a peacfull guy (or girl) with the following comment: "Our soldiers could have more equipment if BILLIONS didn`t GO TO ISRAEL`S OCCUPATION."

"I am sure you have heard and know about other hunting expeditions and abuses by IDF towards children.and how they stand by and allow settler children to beat up, harass and terrorize pal kids walking to school." I guess you have missed the news stories and photos where it is stated that Israeli soldiers regularly accompany Palestinian children as escorts to and from their schools? Course that doesn't fit your agenda, does it?

keep on your posting, morale will jump from the window soon.

"I am not flirting" Ah, I was hoping for the flirtation. lol Well, best not to make my husband jealous. Thank you!

I actually would like BOTH sides to live in peace......I call it like I see. No apologies for that. We agree on something.....a good start too. Innocents hurt/killed anywhere is an ugly ugly thing.

want to check it out! You can pretend to care, but you don't. Also, you know where to look, who to ask. You won't though. Could you please give me PROOF that ALL pals are terrorists? That ONLY 'armed gunmen' are killed?? You can't and you know it! Anyone who criticises Israel is an anti-semite. I am equally critical of US soldiers committing abuses....if I told you what should be doen to them AND to IDF/police who abuse? Yep.you'd call me names, starting with 'anti-semitic' Do your own research my dear. You are baised and argumentative towards anything I say, no mater what source I give you you will not ever ever believe the atrocities your won country's soldiers and police have committed. I cna admit mine have.......and I have strong opinions about it. I still love my country......You know you can love youre country AND be a responsinle human being and speak out about abuse. These abuses fuel the hatred and violence in Israel, wouldn't you like that to stop?

All the Qassams from Gaza and fire on Israely incursions are a grand strategy to: a) psyche out Israel, b)idendify strengths and weaknessess and c)insinuate a predictable behavior into the Israeli military and civilian leadership and demoralize its population. A huge defeat is comming if this continues! Endless harassement, demoralization, unilateral withdrawals, and negotioations leading to "honorable surrender" has been the tactic since Mohammads conquest. Israel HAD its best chance of defensible borders after 1967. That was frittered away by forced concessions to the UN and the west. In what way has the security of Israel been improved since the 1985 pull out of Lebanon, Oslo the recent abject retreat from Gaza and the humiliating defeat in Lebanon? Perhaps the best deal is to surrender now to a Moslem power that benefits from preserving a jewish state. But even Turkey is untrustworthy. A Palestinian state = Israeli destruction: Its a non starter

More or less??? Do the warmongers in Palestine think that war comes without casualties? Do these teenagers think that this is all just a game? The same old advice: grow-up, take responsiblity over your actions, don't rely on idiotic leaders, don't teach your children to be suicide bombers and to believe that fighting Israel is easy and a holy duty, and perhaps then things can start to improve. Unfortunately for you, the ball is on your side, much more than it ever was because public opinion is beggining to shift aginst you, even in Arab countries.

to Messoud would you like to bet on it. hamour.

Please, don?t waist your time and energies answering Clickfool e-mails. Please, ignore him. It is obvious by now that he is either an anti-semite, an idiot or he just simply likes to provoke others. So far he has been successful in igniting fierce responses from some. My suggestion, ignore him completely; he will get so bored that he will stop posting his stupid e-mails. Shalom

Would you be kind enough to post the sources of your accusations about IDF seeking children to kill and howmuch they enjoy it (on 2 posts). Is this the result of a study by a research institute or a quote from one soldier - or hearsay from a Palestinians who caims he heard this. How many IDF soldiers have you met in your life and how mnany have you heard claim these "joys"? Please, I'd like to know and checkit out for myself. I think I know many more Israeli dosldiers than you do and have never ever heard any one of them gloating about "killing children".

butchers with no conscience. you were at your best in lebanon when you were shooting women and children? do you have any honor? tanks and apaches vs AK47? someone needs to save you from your hate and brutality.

I am not preaching.....I want to know what BILLIONS are doing for Israel. Our soldiers could have more equipment if BILLIONS didn't GO TO ISRAEL'S OCCUPATION. Yes I said OCCUPATION....yes I DO have my 'own' country to 'worry' about.but we ALL share ONE planet.and when MY tax money (billions of it) goes to a holy war and illegal occupation..I got something to say. Do you want to hear what I think should be done with US soldiers who commit abuses? No, you don't, becausde when I say Israel's soldiers/police should be punished the SAME..YOU will call me an anti-semite! Now, Is my money supporting a regime that ONLY wants JEWS? Or are my billions truly going to a democracy.where ALL are welcomed?

..."contained at least three racial slurs." Where?

"..only limited food supplies are permitted into Gaza by Israel, EU medical supplies into hospitals in Gaza have been seized at the border, the strip`s main electricity grid has been bombed by the IDF, hospitals are operating without running water or electricity and Israel has prevented any significant international aid reaching the area." None of the above has affected the Palestinian's weapon smuggling abilities, and as you know, tons of weapons have been smuggled in in the past few weeks. It has also not affected their kassam launching ability - as you can read today. So why should it affect their food and medical supplies? Priorities, I suppose. What a load of hogwash!

I myself have seen material in Palestinian schoolbooks - where the map of Israel has miraculously disappeared and Israeli cities are called by Arabic names. This is propoganda, teaching kids a lie and failing to prepare them for the real world. When kids and their teachers prepare an exhibition to honor the suicide bomber who blew up the pizza palour in Jerusalem, including paper mache body parts hanging from the ceiling - what do you call this? When streets and soccer clubs are named after murderers of Israelis, not in battle but while blowing teenagers waiting to enter a disco - that is part of education too. When parents celebrate their children's deaths as "martyrs" with sweets and cookies -this is education too. Having also been part of the Israeli school system for many years - I can testify that you are talking garbage. You are obviously brainwashed and quite happy to be so becasue it suits your agenda. Time to read less biased material and learn something about the real Israel

Paolo, while I learned a lot from east new york I never justified their killing with their poverty; and the closures of Gaza may be related to the threat to the citizens of Israel don't you think????

?What I find most disturbing about this story is that the "gunman" here was barely a child. ? The conclusion you should have drawn from this is that the pals? is a rotten and brutal society, which uses ?barely children? for terrorist purposes. They even use children of 8 and even younger and have sent 14-year-old people to blow themselves up murdering Jews. This is what they are taught at home and at school. The most honourable profession among the pals is ?sahid? and to blow oneself up murdering Jews,

I am not Jewish. You truly believe that all people who defend Israel are? I have always been an independent thinker. I abhor the killing of all innocents, and I can't ever encourage war. I can simply said you have not researched extensively, or are just being fed propoganda. I don't put you with the haters, just ill informed. Try seeing both sides of the story.

Following your logic, how do you know the IDf has even killed people? Maybe they have killed nobody but say they have to make the terrorists scared. Then why are you complaining and whining over inexistent dead?

your answer: firstly: answer not complete and not convincing. secondly : what whas the quesiton?

How old are you? Almost 12?

Why are you quick to describe others as "full of hate"? Are you projecting your own feeling as a Muslim for anything that is no Muslim? There isn't another ethnic group in the world that projectes so much hatred than Muslim, and this is becoming more apparent each day. You have just shown that (a) you cannot read English and (b) how childishly you perceive the words and actions of others. Joanne's "...or any other ethnic group in the States" should cover Moslems too, don't you think. So you see, she didn't leave you out at all.

First of all I do not know where you get your information from. I heard and read about IDF solders hurt and injured by settlers while protecting Palestinian children going to school. Second do not you have your own army with its moral problems to preach to? Why do not you correct all the wrongs of US army first? Otherwise it sounds like Do not do as we do but do as we say. Have you ever lived in Israel I mean not a tour with look to your right look to your left thing but for real? So you judgment of Israel?s hart and soul comes from the same media which told you about weapons of massdestruction in Iraq and is as accurate.

The dead terrorist was a member of the Islamic Jihad, which is not a peaceful organization. If pals thought he was young, why did they recruit him? Moreover, by pal standards, at that age, he was a senior.

First, as a mother and grand-mother, I want to tell you how sorry I am that you have lost a child. I can't even imagine the pain. I don't know where you are getting your information. Perhaps a friend, a neighbour? Something prompted you to come here to accuse Jews. The Palestinians suffer, as do the Israeli's. Every story has two sides. You say nothing about the brainwashed robots created by the Palestinian schools, which is the worst form of abusive. Can you for whatever reason encourage your child to blow themself up while killing Israeli kids? It isn't that they have stopped trying, and unfortunately they will succeed again, it is just because of the restrictions that they are not as successful lately. Would be homocide bombers are caught weekly. Haaretz just doesn't post the news.

"Something is absolutely rotten in the state of Israel to inspire someone so young to take up such a suicidal mission against its brutal repression?" Something is truly rotten - in the Palestinian society where religious and political leaders, teachers and parents devote all their energies to teaching the children that their raison d'etre is killing Israelis and all for the "cause" - one in fact that is unrealistic. It is shameful and disgusting. And alhough you anti-Semites (there, said it!) hate us to bring up the subject - there was never in history a more rotten era than the 1930s and 1940 when Germany and Europe turned on the JEws and the rest of the world forgot them - not a single Jewish parent or religious leader taught their children to hate anyone. So please don't put the blame for the sickness in your society on US - we are not buying!

Bev, many of your 'own' will testify to all kinds of abuses and incitement and the 'joy of killing' an Arab(Palestinian).......Maybe you think Israel's hate and absue is 'less than' not legit or maybe you don't even think it occurs.But the TRUTH is it does! To make it out one-sided is rubbish and you know it! There is plenty og hate BOTH sides.and it needs to stop on BOTH sides. Understand that?? Not just israel, pals. I know you're mind is screaming 'anti-semite!' shout it all you want. I think Israel is anti_Peace! Actions DO speak louder than words. of course if most had their way in Israel NO negative press at all would be allowed, it would be censored so badly it would be insane!

You are the heros of our time. YOu kill these kids in battle field...they with stones..and you with Merkava tanks and high-velocity machine guns.... real heros indeed.....Just like the Gestapo at Ghetto Warsaw.

It appears that people who find themselves in situation where their lives are in danger make very similar decision regardless of their nationality, do not you think. I personally am not sure how people never risking their lives can judge those who do or did. It seems to be no problem for many on this talkback.

One terrorist dead and another one seriously wounded when they were preparing and explosive device. Good for them. I wish all the jihadists were so lucky. They have gone to heavens with virtually no effort. Their families must be really happy and proud.

I dismissed you as an anti-semite. Possibly you simply are muslim, or have accepted propoganda read`elsewhere. The primary school texts of Palestinians are very well documented. Simply look them up on the internet. Shihaad, kill a Jew, hate, etc. An enlightened friend of mine told me that in a school he visited while a volunteer you needed to step on a map of Israel, and yell death to the Jews to enter the classroom. You could start at palestinian media watch, where they have actual film coverage from the palestinians themselves. This is a pro-Israeli site, but the footage is taken from Palestinian sources including TV or you could go to some Palestinian sights, as they don't hide the facts, but sadly promote them Please research the truth, then come back here and say this doesn't occur.

I am a Jew. I am not required to be a good Christian, and turn the other cheek. Before I had my own State of Israel, I had Auschwitz! We are all witness to countless Moslem factions who are usually busy killing each other in the name of Allah. The only thing, it seems, that they can agree on, is the religious obligation for Jihad (Holy War) to kill Jews. If you want to call me a bigot for merely repeating what they themselves proudly proclaim, then go right ahead. I apologize for nothing. You too are in their crosshairs, but you will likely realize it only when it is too late.

have testified they were ordered to look and to serach for kids, yes kids to kill! Even for trying to crawl atop a tank, an 8 yr old was put to death by on eof the snipers. I am sure you have heard and know about other hunting expeditions and abuses by IDF towards children.and how they stand by and allow settler children to beat up, harass and terrorize pal kids walking to school. You have lost your very soul sir. So often it is the victims who become the bullying aggressors. Israel will not fall becaue it isn't jewish enough, or strong enough, or without military might..but becasue it is withough HEART and a SOUL... I pity you sir....I have lost family to murder....I know it wasn't the holocaust and he wasn't even a jew....but I refuse to lose my heart and soul over it. Some Jews 'get this'....but you don't like them either do you?

seekers as you are of the chosen people. Both believe in their own la la lands.

"Congratulations again, IDF" ...... Yeah well done Big Men shooting a 16 year old boy for throwing stones. Your mothers must be so proud of you

You seem to be O?K. However when you say we Brits etc it is generalization and as we all know some Brits do accept criticism some do not. There was a guy on this forum who would call what I wrote a ?Brit bashing?. What I tried to point out though that when you sit in your office and type comments your assessment of the situation and actions needed to be taken might be slightly different as compared to those in charge of protection of the public safety and security and especially those who are actually protecting the public i.e. policemen on the streets.

Of course it has nothing to do with the child abusive regime that brainwashes six year old children in their classrooms that it is a "blessing" to kill Jews, or that persists in teaching these same children that they must sacrifice themselves and become shihaads. I can't believe how little outrage there is from moderate muslims. How can they be so cruel to their own? The new sport for this 18 yr. old group, is to sign the name of the particular hate group they belong to on the rockets, so that they can accumulate "points". Wouldn't it be better if they acquired points playing soccor????

Several more terrorists down and tunnels unconvered. Great job. I hope you can destroy all the weapons the terrorists are smuggling. And it would be wonderful if you found Shalit. May G-d protect him and you all.

Haaretz relishes his lunatic rantings.. This is their policy. Charlie from Lewes is a little man. He has posted almost 50,000 mostly similar posts on the Motley Fool website. His full time occupation is writing hatred. Why open his posts? It took me about a week here to figure this out. He has no compassion for muslims, he simply hates Jews. He never actually participates or contributes. How many ways can he say I want Jews dead?

We Brits can take criticism and can accept when our police or military have F**ked up. We don't start bleeting "Anti-Britishism!"

Yes I agree

First off, your post to Talkback Observer contained at least three racial slurs. And are you going to actually deny your racism (or bigotry towards Islam, at least)?

1. Food supplies: there is a crossing at Rafiah from Egypt. Food can enter through there. 2. There are hundreds of trucks entering Aza daily. It is not true that there are no supplies from Israel. 3. You have given no proof about hospital supplies seized at the border. 4. There is less electricity than previously and what there is can be managed to provide full service for hospitals.

Just like police in London when they killed a Brazilian national after the 7/7 bombing.

Yes, there should be respect insofar as the comments go, but asking to censor speech simply because it appalls one is, by effect, a contradiction to the term "freedom of speech". All I would like to add is that such freedom must be exercised with full responsibility of the consequences. As for the rest, we are all adults here, Shlomzion, and I believe that the disrespectful posts should either be left alone (if too harsh) or taken as an indication of the writer's over-all worth. In any case, as someone else mentioned here, the venom is a two-way street, and I see no attempts from the other side to rein it in...

You should look at their school setbooks where they are taught, as an example, if you have three Zionists and you kill two, how many do you have left? If that isn't teaching hatred and violence I don't know what is.

You have the nerve to chastise and single me out for not being objective or sentimental !!HELLO!! have you read any of the other posts! The fact that you have singled me out however I will take as a compliment, I must have struck a chord with you.

In fact if you take more time and read through more of the talkbacks, take count and you will see that both in frequency and intensity, the vile and venom is really coming much higher from your side, Joanne. Try then comment again with your statistics.

"Perhaps you should stop blaming Israel for every defect in Gazan daily life?" Well Paul let's run through a few things together: only limited food supplies are permitted into Gaza by Israel, EU medical supplies into hospitals in Gaza have been seized at the border, the strip's main electricity grid has been bombed by the IDF, hospitals are operating without running water or electricity and Israel has prevented any significant international aid reaching the area. So what were you saying about Israel being blameless for the problems of daily life in Gaza, all you seemed to do was cr*p on about life in the Bronx.

arent israeli websites great ? I bet you dream for the day when you can publish such nonsense in an arab press

I would love to respond to your argument but it is poorly structured and written and Im not too sure what you actually just said. I would however like you to explain to me what "terrorism" actually is, internationally it is generally regarded as the indiscriminate violence against a civilian population. Having said that Israel is thus the second biggest terrorist state in the world.

"Do us a favour and vanish" You wish, Jasmine. When Israel stops committing barbaric crimes against a largely helpless people, I'll be happy to vanish. Until then, you're stuck with me.

Bob please tell me where in the Palestinian school curriculum Palestinians are trained in "hatred" and to be "suicidal instead of teaching them math, science". Thats right you cant because its not true. Perhaps we can talk about the official Israeli school curriculum that preaches Zionism and the supremacy of the Jews. If there is anyone that is teaching the Palestinians to hate it is Israel and its absolutely incorrogable conduct in the occupied territories. Israel has created this situation and its enemies, this victim mentality wont with me Im not the American President.

I wonder, can you tell us your feeling about the ten of thousands of israelis (childrens, womens, mens) murdered by cold blod by the Pals since 1948 ?

Shooting a 16 year old stone thrower??? An effective response would be for the IDF to carry and throw back stone, not bullets. While the rest of world is minding its daily business, the IDF is sowing the seeds for further rebellion and suicide attacks. Once those begin, all the media will suddenly converge to taking pictures and spinning stories about those fanatic suicidal Palestinians. What a wrong way to go IDF

..... Just like the US military

"The two were throwing stones at the IDF jeeps, the security officials said. The dead were identified as Mohammed Kmeil, 16, who was shot in the neck, and Hani Khalil Kmeil, 20, who was shot in the chest." Children are always an easy target... and how can their cold-blooded murder be a "tragic mistake" when in 99.99% of the time they are shot either in the head, chest or neck, i.e. the gun is AIMED AT THE HEAD!

You outdo yourself in hypocrisy. When you are caught out or when your email turns out to be too over the top even for your iron clad stomach you plead 'imitation'. Do us a favour and vanish. (incidentally Gilad Shalit is a mere youth and you have no sympathy for him or his parents)

In my part of the world when we see pictures as as the one at the head of this article we see robot look alike humans who been brain washed and have been stripped of their human conscience, and with the best modern war technology indiscriminately kill anyone who crosses their path. Personally it reminds me of the robot soldiers of the Evil Empire of the movies Star Wars. The caption of the photo should thus rather read, ''Evil-robot soldier blindly carrying asassination of freedom fighters and committing crimes against humanity''. To the censors of Haaretz and the Mossad who comb this Board: I know my post is way to provocative for you to publish. Thanks God you cant get me. But I am stil sending you this post because I hope that in so doing I may wake up your dorment human conscience. Your society has erased your humanity but as long as you breath you will remain human. You can not escape that. Only God can take your humanity away.

Firstly, I did say "or any other ethnic group". Needless to say, that would include Moslems. Secondly, the only thing preventing the Islamo-Fascists from murdering my small children and myself is our wonderful Army here in Israel. I do not have a boundless love for these holy virgin seekers for whom you seem to have so much admiration.

"A few moments on Haaretz has tranformed a few otherwise neutral and ambivalent into instant Israel supporters. :-)" - It has probably turned a lot more into anti-Israel supporters because of the blinkered pig-headed attitudes of the majority of posters

A new saying for modern times! "People without body armour (of any age sex or description) should not throw stones or engage combat ready Israeli troops".

freedom of speech. I simply have appealed to those who have been the beneficials of this freedom to also exhibit respect. Respect to their hosts, a Jewish and an Israeli news organization. And respect to their audience (some of whom would not know who they are when they are new comers to the Talkback) first and foremost as human beings, as well as people who have actually experienced, in the Arab and Muslim world and in Europe and the Americas, the defamation and blood libles now being perpetuated in these Talkbacks; acts that historically were followed by expultions, pogroms and much, much worse. Freedom, Maral, has its limits as well, and all that we ask is that it be applied to those who seem to thrive on hating us, preferably on a voluntary basis. That is all. Is it too much to request?

...two more Palestinians were killed..... The two were throwing stones at the IDF jeeps, the security officials said.

you should come to East New York, Brooklyn someday and look on every corner where the 8 year olds are "packing heat" (carrying concealed guns). The jails are filled with child murderers and the law does not distinguish the right of self defense based on the criminals age. While it is true that money (however you want to subdivide it as "power," etc.) is part of the motivation for criminal violence, it is also true that in Gaza as in East New York, the State would be more effectively eliminated as an agent of "control" if the community took some responsibilty for educationa and self policing. Paolo, perhaps you should stop blaming Israel for every defect in Gazan daily life?

Quote " dead than alive." Don't be so upset , Arabs Pals also ask for exchange of prisonners versus abucted soldiers Beside both Soldier and terrorist are 18 years old , it is just that one is better combatant than the other One saved his life , the other is now havung fun at the 72 fenne nu joint It looks like a win-win situation for pals

and the western news agencies just parrot the reports. So the Palestinians are killed, and the story about them is also killed by IDF lies.

And that appiles to your post to me. Maybe you'd like to rephrase that. But, then again, I might not bother reading it. Whatever floats your boat, dude.

Those, who throw stones at soldiers in time of battle, endanger themselves. They put themselves as human shields for their terrorist friends and they know perfectly well, that they may be hit. Their deaths were unnecessary. But I don't have tears for them.

He should be get payed by the Israel Public Relations Dpt. I made such a good job about disqualifying the Pals. Thank you Clickfool

Message # 1 wasn't by me, but I agree with his sentiments. And you calling critics of Israel's vicious crimes "antisemites" doesn't make them so, Joanne, however hard you try to stick the label on.

"It is an absolutely sad state of affairs when someone so young believes they can serve a better purpose dead than alive." You are so right. "It is an absolutely sad state of affairs". But look, how many times the whole world was blaming Palestinians for teaching their children in the schools hatred and training them to become suicidal instead of teaching them math, science, etc. Jews have been subjected to much worse circumstances in nazi Germany, and yet, they did not commit cuicides among German civilians. It is very sad as you stated, but I do not think that Palestinians youngsters are crazy. It is rather the result of the "education" that inspires someone so young to take up such a suicidal mission.

I can't quite understand why this man has posted under my name. It's a straightforward enough comment that I might have made, but didn't. Normally, in a Fake Clickfool message I look for an antisemitic, racist or crazy addendum, meant to discredit all of my posts, but this was missing. Why didn't the guy simply post under his own name?

even if Haaretz is pro-arab and against it. This iligal land confiscation by islamic settelments will come to the end.

They should better stay at home or in school and not following their "big brothers", Hamas, Fatah, Jihad Islamic and others terrorists facing IDF. Perhaps they get some money to play this role in front of a CNN crew, their families should be ashamed for allowing them to be in the street knowing very well the danger in a war zone and shame on you for supporting islamofascists terrorists.

i just invent a proverb" if you get the congratulation from a crazy don't think you are the clever " thanks josef

'If it's Israeli it's obviously a cover-up or a lie', he says, brilliantly displaying his logic and lack of bias. He carefully forgets the clash between Fatah and Hamas where eleven of their own people were killed two weeks ago and dozens injured. These are indeed gentle people who wouldn't hurt a fly. No problem with the fool believing eleven impossible things before breakfast, he believes them as he makes them up.

It is illegal and imoral, and must be removed A.S.A.P. It was build illegaly on the jewish lands, there is no legal document for the purchace of this land from any jewish or israeli athoritys.

Since you hate Jews so much,why do you spend all your time,day in-day out,in posting on a Jewish newspaper? You could as well ignore us.

Now that's exactly what I do. I have a list of posters I avoid because their message is unvarying. Time is too precious to read the same thing over and over. It applies equally to pro and anti Israel writers. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

haaretz is giving the right even to you to show your hate, but you can read just american democratic newspapers, you will read just what you will like. quote" If someone were to write such garbage against, blacks, Hispanics, Jews, Indians, or any other ethnic group in the States, it simply would never make it to print" it' s looking that you voluntarly forgot to talk about muslims. don't be ashame to show your hate and stop your hypocrisy

And that applies to you,too.

"I have to say that enough is enough. I can say that without a doubt, no respected newspaper in America would allow such a vile anti-Semite to continuously flood it`s newspaper with his ridiculous hatred and venom." You are very wrong. Try to change your attidude. When you go to circus and the clown does something grotesque, you do not ask circus to fire him. This is his role. Clickfool has a similar role here. Moreover, if you are an Israeli supporter, you should be happy that everybody around the world sees what kind of people support the Palestinian cause. So, he is funny (even you acknowledged that his posts are ridiculous), harmless and discredits Palestinians with his posts. Why it is your problem? Leave Clickfool alone.

it is anti-God, to ask for the oposit. Anyone who supports this islamic expention of "Palestinian State" is going straight to hell, and will never recive the life evarlasting.

Be more objective and less sentimental when discussing politics

and the "gunman-child" is a 18 years old terrorist and a future terrorist. To stupid to save himself by beliving in Peace. There will never be a "Palestinian state", and must never be. If Arabs wont to live in Peace, they need to get of the Temple Mount, or they will never make it to Paradise.

"The army said one of its patrols was fired upon by two MILITANTS". Firstly, the "gunman" who was killed was a mere youth, only 18 years of age." I did not see in the article the word "militants" in the capital font. Honest people put their initials when they change anything in quotes. About the substance: so what that killed was 18 years old. It suppose to imply that he was not a militant in this age. Why not?! There are hundreds of them. If he was a student in his 18, that would be suspicious. "Secondly how do we know that he was indeed armed." Here you are right. The IDF should of reported you personally and provide with the necessary evidences. "More likely, this was another premeditated murder" No evidences but "more likely" this was a murder. What a beautiful mind! What an example of unbiaseness! "The entire incident seems a bit suspicious." I is suspicious because a Palestinian was killed. If it was a Jew, it would not be suspicious. It is so Clickfoolish!

What I find most disturbing about this story is that the "gunman" here was barely a child. Something is absolutely rotten in the state of Israel to inspire someone so young to take up such a suicidal mission against its brutal repression? It is an absolutely sad state of affairs when someone so young believes they can serve a better purpose dead than alive. Shame on you Israel!

Joanne and Gina, I fully share your feelings about the representatives of our defamars, haters and spreaders of venom and blood libel against our people and the only state we have. I hope Haaretz would know how to deal with them, especially in light of the fact that some of us readers and subscribers to Haaretz (both in Hebrew and English) have either experienced in Europe the hands of such people first hand, and others have grown up in Israel without many family members who could have been with us, but for people like the ones mentioned above. I also hope that the readers of the Talkbacks will realize what we are up against, and have been for centuries - and these are only samples - and why it is that a Jewish state of Israel is so important for us, to defend and cultivate.

Oftentimes, when his medications ware off, he realizes that he made a buffoon of himself, and starts whining something about a "Fake Clickfool". Let's all be a bit patient.

I imagine you as good looking as your posts . I am not flirting , i am complimenting your sharp logic sometimes humoristic keep up the good work

You said: "Perhaps Haaretz should learn a thing or 2 from American democracy on the limits of free speech." Maybe with the Patriot Act, you Americans feel much safer, albeit with your freedom (or lack thereof) diminished to a level where calling yourself a "democracy" is a mockery. What you have failed to understand, even after a lifetime in "the greatest democracy in the world", is that freedom of speech is exactly that: freedom of speech. There are no limits. You are free not to read Clickfool (or those others you refer to) if his opinions are too harsh for your sensibilities. Nobody is forcing him down your throat. Simply refrain from clicking his posts and you're set.

When the IDF says, two militants were killed, or 3 or 4, ... who is going to check whether their stories are true when no media has access to their operations? Apparently, they claim they are killing militants, but the firing of rockets does not seem to be slowing down, to the contrary..... this suggeste to me they must be barking at the wrong wall!

I will wager that was how old the shepherd boy David was when he vanquished the Jew-hating giant. Pity, Clickfool, you will never win on logic.

He's like a jester who periodically appears on the stage to give his lines, which are routinely laughed away and dismissed wholly under the weight of their own folly. Clickfool (pay particular attention to the jester-clown name he chooses) is comic relief in an otherwise very serious and deadly game of survival for the Jewish state. Make no mistake. There will never be another Holocaust. And the Children of Israel are home again with Jerusalem, city of David, as their eternal, undivided capital, regardless of what the buffoon from Sussex has to say. OK, now let's hear from the Buffoon again.

I saw the news alert that the UK realizes one of their terrorists has escaped a mental institution. They're onto you.

Clickfool is a daily testament to the necessity of the Jewish state. Posts like his I show to friends and aquaintances who never even had a clue that such deep and primitive antisemitism was alive in this day and age. I'm sorry that his posts cause pain, but at least know his posts have been put to positive use ... Many Americans have been blind to stranglehold antisemitism has on some individuals and societies. A few moments on Haaretz has tranformed a few otherwise neutral and ambivalent into instant Israel supporters. :-)

Mr. Nasrallah (and others) regards every Israeli as legitim target, because 1) every Israeli has to join the forces and 2) every taxpayer in Israel supports indirectly the army. So, according to his/their logic, every inhabitant of Israel is a criminal occupation terrorist and a target. So even the arab taxpayers are potential targets. If Israel would take over his point of view, every Arab and every Muslim is a legitim target, fo they support the terrorists, give them shelter etc. At least they do not fight militants in their own lines. So they should not wail at all. It's their own leaders, who plant such ideas. If a "youth" of 18 aims with a gun at anybody, he is old enough to know, that he puts his own life at risc. Even in Germany, where the posession and use of firearms is strictly forbidden and the police forces face harsh investigation if they hurt or kill somebody, even if he carrys a weapon.

As one who was born and bred in the U.S.A., arguably the greatest democracy in history, I have to say that enough is enough. I can say that without a doubt, no respected newspaper in America would allow such a vile anti-Semite to continuously flood it's newspaper with his ridiculous hatred and venom. It simply would not be allowed, and would never make it to print. If someone were to write such garbage against, blacks, Hispanics, Jews, Indians, or any other ethnic group in the States, it simply would never make it to print. Yet Haaretz allows Clickfool and a few others to get away with flooding Talkback with their despicable hatred, every single day, thereby demeaning Talkback in its entirety.. Perhaps Haaretz should learn a thing or 2 from American democracy on the limits of free speech.

"The army said one of its patrols was fired upon by two MILITANTS". Firstly, the "gunman" who was killed was a mere youth, only 18 years of age. Secondly how do we know that he was indeed armed? More likely, this was another premeditated murder on the part of the Zionists. The entire incident seems a bit suspicious.