Erekat: Palestinians may have to abandon goal of independent state
Chief Palestinian negotiator: No state if Israel continues to expand settlements and U.S. doesn't stop it.
By Reuters Tags: Israel settlements Middle East peacePalestinians may have to abandon the goal of an independent state if Israel continues to expand settlements and the United States does not stop it, chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat said on Wednesday.
It may be time for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to "tell his people the truth, that with the continuation of settlement activities, the two-state solution is no longer an option," Erekat told a news conference.
Citing the 2003 peace Road Map, Abbas has made a cessation of Israeli settlement activity in the West Bank a precondition for resuming statehood talks with Israel.
The road map also required that Palestinians dismantle armed groups like Islamist Hamas, which opposes peace talks. That did not happen, and Hamas now controls the Gaza Strip - half the Palestinian polity - in a running challenge to Abbas' mandate.
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who met Israeli and Palestinian leaders on Saturday, unsuccessfully urged Abbas to negotiate with Israel and resolve the settlement issue within the framework of the talks.
Erekat said Clinton - who praised as unprecedented Netanyahu's offer to temporarily limit construction in West Bank settlements to 3,000 additional housing units - was only opening the door to more settlements in the next two years.
The alternative left for Palestinians is to "refocus their attention on the one-state solution where Muslims, Christians and Jews can live as equals," Erekat said. "It is very serious. This is the moment of truth for us."
Erekat said Netanyahu's concept of a separate Palestinian state alongside Israel with limited powers of sovereignty and his uncompromising position on the future of Jerusalem were tantamount to dictating the terms of peace negotiations.
Netanyahu, Erekat said, told Abbas "that Jerusalem will be the eternal and united capital of Israel, that refugees won't be discussed, that our state will be demilitarized, that we have to recognize the Jewish state, that it's not going to be the 1967 borders, that the skies will be under his control."
"This is dictation and not negotiations," he said.
Netanyahu and Abbas last met in New York in September in a handshake meeting arranged by U.S. President Barack Obama.
Palestinians seek to establish their future state on all of the West Bank and Gaza, lands captured by Israel from Jordan and Egypt in a 1967 war, with East Jerusalem as its capital. "Anything short of that is a non-option for us," Erekat said.
"If the Israelis believe they want to partition the West Bank with us, this is a no-go. This is a non-starter," Erekat said, in reference to Israeli control of West Bank settlements, adjacent land, and the territory's eastern Jordan Valley border.
Clinton reaffirmed in Cairo on Wednesday that Washington does not accept the legitimacy of the Israeli settlements.
But she added, in another nudge to Palestinians to talk with Israel: "Getting into final status negotiations will allow us to bring an end to settlement activity."
Erekat said Palestinians "made a mistake" in the past by agreeing to negotiate with Israel without insisting on a settlement halt, and they were not about to repeat that error.
In a statement, Netanyahu said Israel's aim remained the quick resumption of peace talks. But he also deplored the split between Hamas and Abbas' secular Fatah faction, which has widened over the president's disputed call for a Jan. 24 ballot.
"The possibility that Palestinian election might be held soon is causing a polarization of Palestinian Authority positions regarding Israel and is hindering the opening of negotiations," Netanyahu's office quoted him as saying.
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One state, one man - one vote, thats democracy... Until that happens, Israel is not a democracy. One state referred to as Israel or Palestine. Jews and Palestinians can both call it their homeland. One state is inevitable. Israel will end up like South Africa and people will wonder how a country could exist in modern times under such racist control.
In 1947 the UN offered them 49% of British mandate Palestine minus Jerusalem. They said no, we had a big war and when the ceacefire was declared in 1949 Israel had expanded its borders from 51% offered by the UN - 78% of Palestine as well as west Jerusalem. Assuming that we made a full return to the pre 1967 border which we won't that would only give the arab 22% of Palestine rather than the 49% they were offered 61 years ago. If they had accepted the Balfour Decleration there would have been a state that included pre 1967 Israel, all of Jordan & parts of Lebanon & Syria It wasn't going to be a jewish state it wasn't even going to be a binational state & the jews loved the idea. Also zionism was a movement looking for a home for persecuted European jews, it wasn't about having a jewish state for the sake of having a jewish state as well as to provide a safe haven Its only in the 1930s with an increase in arab violence against jews in Palatine that changed so the arabs blew it again
that we are building NEW SUBURBS not settlements and our brothers and sisters are suburbanites NOT settlers.
Free and open democracies do not get to treat people like animals and keep being seen as respectable states. If they do not like that the Israeli's should move to Iran - their theocracy would go over great there.
Losers of wars don't get to dictate the peace. Israel needs to dictate the peace because they won the war. If Erekat is suggesting that the Palestinians should begin a new intifada then they should all just leave now for Jordan.
Aimed by past Israeli politicians be they left or right. The Pals haven't got a chance, never did!.....PEACE EVER?
had a right to Jordanian citizenship. Those living in what was left of Palestine didn't and still don't.
"Resolution 242 calls for `secure borders" Between the existing STATES! Try reading it.
Israel...well done...if you force a one state solution then the state you craved for for so long will be lost. It is no secret Arabs are reproducing and increasing their population faster than Israeli's. Demographically at some point Arabs will hold the majority vote and vote Israel out of existence and declare it Palestine in the most democratic fashion. You guys need to start thinking with your brain matter for a change..two states ensures Israels survivability...one ensures its demise.
Make a 1 state solution, with equal rights. Let the Arabs be full citizens, serve in the army, have equal justice. Amazing things could happen.
to have one or two more Islamic states run by the likes of the PA or Hamas? Why do people advocate for these terror states to establish themselves? Just so that these two new states can join the Islamic mafia at the U.N. and negatively influence the outcome of world peace by positively influencing the voting power of the Islamic bloc? You've gotta ask yourselves: Do you really want two more countries with shar'ia law, veiled and circumcised women, honor killings, and Arab machismo and the usual nonsense?
sounds just as logical as that the chechenians demand all of Russia and then promising the Russians equal status.
If Erekat actually was serious, the PA would be preparing to disband itself and would have manuals available on registering to vote and applying for Israeli passports. There would be lines of people queing up to do both and about a million Palestinian Arabs would be showing up at the IDF recruiting office to enlist. Only then would Israel take the idea seriously. And the Israeli right would start to panic. Might be interesting to watch. Meanwhile, if Israel's recognized Arab citizens, showed up at the polls and voted in numbers proportional to their population, that too would panic the Israeli right wing. Somehow, I doubt they'd vote Likud.
J: "Every one forgets the third way" Which is? J: "Israel will unilaterally set the boarder." States can not unilaterally set their borders, Jordan, because the entire point of a border is that it separates YOUR territory from SOMEONE ELSE's territory. That therefore requires an agreement with that SOMEONE ELSE that **your** territory ends **here** and **their** territory begins **there**. Absent that agreement then you have no "border": you have a unilaterally-declared "barrier" between your forces and theirs, with stern warnings that if "they" cross it then that means war. All well and good, unless "they" do cross it and win - at which precise moment you find that your legal position is, ahem, rather tenuous....
Settlements are illegal ! True. They are a breach of the Geneva conventions regulating belligerent occupation. But the illegality of the antisemitic propaganda towards the Jews is far worse. Let me put it this way: the settlements can be dismantled, but incitement to genocide is a crime against humanity. A breach of the genocide conventions is a FAR graver BREACH of international law, because it is well recognized that the mindset of hate is far harder to dismatle than a few buildings.
This is of course Plan B, and it's an excellent plan at that. Plan A is to cede 95% of the West Bank to the Palestinians in exchange for them ceding all claims to any part of present Israel, Jerusalem becomes a world trusteeship, with municipal regents amongst the three religions and the Palestinians get a 5% land swap of comparable value land. People with deeds can have monetary compensation,this must be guaranteed for both Jews are Arabs across all deeded property in all lands, this is normal civil law.
Very well said !
the refugees of 1948 only have a right to return to their country, there is no RIGHT to return to a domicile. Such a right does not exist in international law. And UN resolution 194 is non binding and does not create such a right. Btw, if a civil war breaks out in Texas and I have to flee and I land 20 miles from my original domicile, believe me I am not going to hold the world hostage to my desire to return to this particular address. Frankly, the water, the weather, the food, the language is all the same 20 miles from here ! Since when can a population hold peace hostage to such personal desires as to return to a particular appartment or building? Millions of Palestinians live within 20-30 miles from their original domiciles and they cannot be reconciled to live where they are now? If all refugees acted like this and refused to accept staying in their country but for a few miles away from their past domicile, the world would never know peace.
this may be the central point after all. Abbas and cohorts need the Israeli government to be the the sole agent of change, Abbas et al themselves are too weak, and there are no other institutions or representatives who will represent the Palestinian people, thus the sad truth is that perhaps the Palestinians themselves lack political cohesion and are not ready for political agency on their own behalf. The UN should reinstate the "mandate" over the portions of Palestine destined to revert back to the Palestinians and the UN should negotiate in lieu of the Palestinians (as a trustee). Then when the Palestinians have created the institutional framework of a state, then the UN can rescind the trusteeship. Or Jordan can govern the West Bank and then cede it when the Palestinians are ready and willing. Hmmm, wait ! Jordan surrendered all claims to the West Bank a long time ago....I guess they did not want the headache ! Smart !
Finally .. they got it, the Presedent of libya (M Alqathafi) had suggeted it ten years ago. waiting what ? ... more crises ?
All the Palestinians convert to Judaism - or reconvert, since most of them are of Jewish origin anyway. Then we can export the al-Aqsa Mosque to where it was originaly supposed to be (according to Muhammad's Night Journey) - in Northern Arabia.
The fact is, Fatah and the PA has fulfilled their side of the deal as far as the Roadmap goes, but Israel is still relentlessly growing settlements and refusing to talk peace. It is time for the PA to propose a One-State solution!! That will make the zionists shiver!!
"the one-state solution where Muslims, Christians and Jews can live as equals," Not where Muslims are concerned.
Mr. Souza, If, as you say, a one state solution would be such a disaster for Israel, then why does the right wing in Israel resist the Palestinian state with such fervor? I truly don't get it. Peace. Stephen
Jason, Regarding: "So why waste everyone`s time with futile, useless peace talks." What a depressing and pessimistic perspective. Unfortunately it just might be accurate. Peace. Stephen
I find it amazing that after all these year that S. Carolina still has haters. BBS it was not bad enough that you were the first to Secede in your "righteous" objection of treating blacks like humans; now you get an erotic excitement by preach the destruction of the Jews. You should learn from the Israeli's and become more tolerant. Stop your lies and hate speech.
The one-state solution where Muslims, Christians and Jews can live as equals. yes it is and i think there is no other solution.
More international pressure on Israel is needed. The Palestinians have the corner on the truth of the matter. International support is their most effective route to justice.
I agree. Water resources are another part of the economy which cannot be split in two. In fact, there is already a single state - just not a democratic one.
It`s so sad and worrisome to see all the hate-filled posts on here coming from Israeli supporters. Come on guys, Palestinian problem will not go away, its about time this conflict was settled.Hating on 4.5 million people simply because they want freedom and justice - is dumb!!!What is this world coming to?
It's quite the opposite Joe in Israel. If you believe they're "playing into their hands" by not returning to the table, you're quite wrong. This is something that they should have done years ago, which is refuse to negotiate while their land was being confiscated for settlements. That pretty much negates the entire purpose of a two-state solution, doesn't it? As far as " Abas not being able to negotiate his way out of a paper bag", they're not holding any cards, so there's no reason for anybody to take the negotiations seriously. It's a farse.
.. a new siege in the making. .. the official death pronounciation of a death peace process, that was never alive anyway. .. instead of playing on time Israel is going to loose time and again.
But my brother lives in Jo-berg and the streets are clean and the beaches are gorgeous- Saw them just last yr. BTW, You sound like my late aunt who longed for the days before Jews "ruined" her upper East Side apartment house. You're a loser.
It interesting to note that there are Arabs living in Israeland Arabs drom Judea and Samaria are allowed in (with permits), but Jews are NOT ALLOWED to enter (forget about living) in the Arab areas. Those that accidentally enter an Arab city have to be rescued and escorted out. Yet people say here they expect Israel to kick all the Arabs out. Even Rabbi Meir Kahane did not say that. His idea of Transfer was give them, The Arabs, a choice. "live in peace according to the law or 'we' will help you leave.
"Israel will unilaterally set the boarder. 75-80% of the West Bank will be left to the palestinians. No need for "one state" no "demographic time bomb." Poof. Done." - Jordan Did this unilateral approach work for Sharon in Gaza?
yes Gaza and west bank ONLY take it or live it, but if you leave it DON'T again for it.
1. Israel draws the border lines now! 2. Palestinian have two States: Gaza and Ex-West-Bank 3. Conclusion:Simle and everybody (almost) is happy. In this way the USA can art looking into their housing and other mess....
...when a Muslim will accept a free, democratic, one state, solution where all religions are equal in the eyes of the law. Ha !
You'd think that all those bullet holes in their feet would hurt by now. Abbas and Erekat could score a big coup by calling Bibi's bluff... return to the negotiating table immediately! But no, they play right into Bibi's hands because they know that they couldn't negotiate their way out of a wet paper bag. Fatah is at its weakest ever, being propped up by both the Americans and the Israelis. Hamas is also at its weakest ever, knowing they'd lose at the polls so they now reject the elections they were calling for when Abbas' mandate ran out a long time ago. The Pals never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. The Americans and the EU are behind them... they should go negotiations immediately and would get the backing. But no,,, they probably need another intifada to show us how incompetent they are.
One state, two states...I could really care less. Nobody has yet explained how 'two states' are really going to work any better than one. They would nevertheless wind up being so intertwined that they would have all the problems of one state anyway. The 'two state' people are dreaming if they think they will be able to dump the Palestinians and walk away from them. If you want a good example of how that does not work, take a look at Gaza. The new Palestinian state would have so much trade with Israel--and would probable wind up sharing its currency and dealing taxes back and forth--that the two states would still be each other's biggest financial partners, like they are today. Security would be totally intertwined. We have always had this crazy dream that except for the Palestinians we would be fine. But you cannot ignore the elephant in the room.
Israel will unilaterally set the boarder. 75-80% of the West Bank will be left to the palestinians. No need for "one state" no "demographic time bomb." Poof. Done.
"So prehaps a single state with one man one vote is the best solution that can be achieved. Worked in South Africa." [Lintwit] Prior to 1994, Capetown was a crown jewel on the world tour circuit. Today, the streets and beaches are filthy, the government barely functions, and even if you are black, you don't go out after dark. If that is what you call working, you use words in a strange way.
...Israel's own documents prove that Israel itself still occupies Gaza. In the first "disengagement plan" draft, it was explicitly claimed the withdrawal would constitute an end to the occupation of Gaza. In the revised and adopted version Israel left out that whole line and added "citizens" into the line above where it used to be. I suggest you go research some of the basics.
It is altruistic of Mr. Erekat to mention a single state solution. As the Palestinian so called "chief" negotiator, he should have realized when he negotiated with the former Israeli governments that pulling down your pants and bending over is probably the wrong approach. When you bluff, at least keep a straight face.
I think that a one state solution with TRUE equality is the only way forward. MUSLIMS, JEWS and Christains should learn to live together in the HOLY LAND which is HOLY to all faiths equally. GOD is not a real estate agent that sold the land to the JEWS. Lets get passed the ugliness and live together. Peace there would go a long way to help the rest of the world.
...But she added, in another nudge to Palestinians to talk with Israel: "Getting into final status negotiations will allow us to bring an end to settlement activity."... :-) :-) Hillary dear - you don't really believe that yourself, don't you ?! ...Erekat said Palestinians "made a mistake" in the past by agreeing to negotiate with Israel without insisting on a settlement halt, and they were not about to repeat that error.... About HIGH time they finally wake up to that fundamental error. Get your act together, declare a state in 2 years- and most of the world will recognize it with a great sigh a relief ! David
Hopefully palestinians are waking up. the best solution for them is a one-state solution. Palestinians now should put their outmost focus on it. Israleis will not be able to resist the notion of all in one state. Israel can not deny their rights and expel 5 million Pals. Let us help Palestinians come to terms with it and start the process. Mike
And demographic parity. Wee!
it is difficult, if not impossible, to foresee any outcome to this situation that does not include widespread bloodshed and death on a figuratively apocalyptic scale, and a piece of Mideast geography that is fundamentally altered in a way that cannot currently be predicted with any reasonable degree of confidence. Then again, the unreasonable on all sides are always super-confident, so why worry?
Good the sooner you get rid of the PA, the sooner reality will occur, 2 states exist. PA is useless. They dont want another arab Palestinian state so stop offering it to them. Already separation between Israel and Gaza and thats taking place in Judea and samaria too. ITs only a matter of time.
"A one state solution means the end of Israel." - Markos Souza Agreed, the idea of a single state containing both Arabs and Israelis is a non-starter. There is a one state solution coming. The Palestinians will be forced from East Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria. Then Judea and Samaria will be annexed as ethnically pure Jews Districts. There will be one state in the end. No Palestinians in the land means no need for a two state solution. This solution to the problem is well underway, is irrevocable and unstoppable.
illegally occupying the West Bank not the other way around. Remember the Arab world doesn't them. Did you ever ask yourself that question, WHY?
"Netanyahu, Erekat said, told Abbas "that Jerusalem will be the eternal and united capital of Israel, that refugees won't be discussed, that our state will be demilitarized, that we have to recognize the Jewish state, that it's not going to be the 1967 borders, that the skies will be under his control." Israel should be suspended from the UN and boycotted until it com- plies with international laws and removes its troops & settlers from the territories.... Dutch
Israel will not accept a Palestinian State, and it will not stop settlement expansion. There really is nothing to negotiate.
pakistan, palestine.. all the same -failed states
About time that the Palestinians recognize what is best for them and for the entire middle east. Live together in one democratic country with equal rights and responsibilities
You wanted the Palestinians to accept a state on 45 percent of the territory while they were 70 percent of the population and owned 90 percent of the land while the Jews get 55 percent of the land and they constituted 30 percent of the population and owned less than 10 percent of the land? Are you serious? Israel right now cries that even though the Arabs make up almost half of the population in Israel and the occupied territories, it does not want to give the Palestinians 22 percent of Mandated Palestine. Open them binoculars!
One State solution is the best and Jerusalem must be an International City for all people!
The Jordan option is not an option in any case. King Abdullah II had made it very clear that Jordan is not interested in annexing any leftovers of the WB, left alone the pal people. As Israel intends to keep the Jordan valley, it not even makes geographical sense.Any annexation of the WB by Jordan would also lead to internal turmoil within Jordan (potentially civil war) and thus create further problems for the region.So Jordan will be backed in it's "no" by all its other neighbors(&the Pals). BTW,the Jordan option is not even advocated by the Israeli gov because if they were ready to hand over the WB, there would be no such fuss about a settlement freeze.What Israel wants is the WB without the pal people and there is no way that this will be happen in today's time.Israel is destroying itself with this attitude which is just sad.Change will come, whether rightwing Israel wants it or not.
"Settlements are not only "illegitimate", but flagrantly illegal" Jews were living in the West Bank and East Jerusalem all the way up until 1948. At that time, Jordan captured those territories and kicked out every single Jew. Jordan attacked Israel again 19 years later. Jews were able to reclaim their properties after that. Jews reclaiming properties they were absent from for only 19 years is illegitimate and flagrantly illegal? You're talking nonsense.
If a majority of Israelis wanna throw away their future as a Jewish state, it should really not be up to the Palestinians to save them from their destiny.... ....if they play it smart, the Palestinians will be back in Tel Aviv, Ashdod and West Jerusalem in a couple of decades. Because the world will never tolerate the concept of a "master-race" that has the right to vote, and a "servant-race" that doesn't in a future Greater Israel....
This would be great if achievable... there is a way that we can have two state in one country... like the united states or kingdom... This would require some constitution stating that Israel is the eternal home of the jews but all who live in its borders share the same rights...
If we all have a big rainbow hug-in everyone will live happily ever after. Take the roaring success of the Gaza de-occupation for example.
Why do they need another state???They have already jordan,on territories the noble brits plundered from the Jewish People
But of course, as always, Israel is above the laws that other mere mortals must obey.
I really find impressive how the Israel's bashers can be blind. A one state solution means the end of Israel. Now honestly, do you crazy nuts really think that Israel will agree with something like that? looking at how things going, yes, seens sooner or later the pathetic UN will call for a vote on the general assembley about a one state solution, as most of the ppl in the world is just stupid they will vote yes to it, and you know what going to happen? Israel will turn it's back to such resolution. The Arabs want the land? Go there and take it by themselfs, but dont go to the west crying that the israelis kicked off your fat asses. Thats the only way to get one state solution in the ME - throught war.
Palestinian change in position will put tremendous pressure on Saudi and Jordan to voice support for Abbas. Everything from here on will be precisely coordinated from Tehran. Israel is in an emergency in all but name. Netanyahu's election agenda of addressing the Iraninan threat didn't even kick off. It was not going to be as easy as he and Lieberman imagined ("bomb Iran").
Yeah, that's the ticket! Typical Pal negative response. After all if you can't have a Judenrein Palestine/Gaza, what would be the point of asserting yourselves as a nation? Why not focus on what you want: earnest nation-building instead of insisting on the wornout role of the pathetic eternal victim? Show some self-respect and define yourselves in terms or who you are and not in terms of your hatred for your neighbours.
Erekat is right; there is not much room for negotiations. Israel won the war; there are consequences. Palestinians should be happy, that Israel agreed to let them name themselves a different People. Calling in the Arabs big brothers who let you down for decades, and doesn't accept you as their citizens, doesn't help.
Balfour declaration: 1917 Mandate Palestine: 1922 (1920 depending on how you look at it) This is of course notwithstanding that Jordan was part of the Mandate in name only, and even that for only a short while.
For Sale: A PA state embryo. (lightly used, semi-abused) On sale now for a mere (TBD) Billion Euros. You'll get a terrificly loud and vocal population of semi-hard working ( some minor poverty/ unemployment numbers), non-award winning, untrained but extremely religious quasi-educated semi-professionals. Everything you've wanted in a state that's doing just everything for you! Even the sex dolls blow themselves up for you. You'll receive an Economy growing with a HUGE influx of money, rockets and guns from everywhere. And you can have all this progress, oriented toward other peoples death, for a mere pitence. Hurry, cause they're going fast! And if you act now you'll get the complete tunnel works from BOTH sides of the Egyptian border... and if you buy into this right now, they'll throw in the inclusive garbage from across the northern border AND the royal drek from syria and of course if you act now, The Iranian shmutz-mavens will sell you their uranium.! Suchadeal!
They should have demanded a one state solution from the beginnning. In 50 years time, the arabs will control the majority, and the state of Israel will be gone forever. The Israels should be pushing for a 2 state solution, to protect their identity. They may lose it because of greed.
Oren was right in his analysis (before he became ambassador). Israel will eventually have to declare a unilateral border, leave 80% of the West Bank to the Palestinians, and respond with overwhelming force to any provocation. It won't be pretty, it won't be easy, but pretty much its the only choice the Israelis have left.
"why bother with getting only 1/2 a state" say the PA "when we can have one terrific muslim state" ( & without Jewish people) called Stealestine. It would be where Israel used to be... AND Complete the security fence...asap! Build it deep, build it tough, build it high, defend it well! AND No Schalit?, no PA state negotiations!...period!
It is clear to any observer that Israel simply cannot be trusted. It's single imperative is the acquisition of the maximum amount of land and settle that land with the maximum number of Jews and carry out slow but determined strategies to displace the Arab population. It seems that Israel has left the Palestinians with no other option but to advocate for a one state solution as the only just solution in confronting occupation and injustice. Israel has led us to this point. A one statte solution with equality for all religions but an end to ethnocracy. That seems to be what Israel is, unintentionally of course, working toward.
a state ultimately controlled by muslims allows only second class status for others. Where muslims are not the majority there is only demands for sharia law. Muslims cannot live with non muslims in peace by choice only by force.
Israel is committed to retaining as much of the West Bank as possible. whatever remains for a Palestinian state will be so fragmented that it will not be governable. Israel has destroyed a nation and a people. The Arab states are the only friends of the Palestinians. The USA, the UK and EU are fair weather friends that are generous with rhetoric but fail to deliver. I can now understand the resistance of the Arab states to establish stronger relations with Israel. In the end, the Palestinian population will grow faster than the Israeli Jewish population. It may be another 10 to 20 years, but the Palestinians will prevail. The Arab states can continue to be advocates for the rights of the Palestinians and keep attention focused on the horrific prejudicial attitudes of the Israelis.
Is there anyone in the world who really believes peace talks would bring peace. Olmhert offered the Pals almost everything they asked for (except for the return of millions of refugess)and Abbas still rejected the offer. And, of course, Bibi would never agree to offer even close to Olmhert's. And, what about Hamas, which would never abide by any treaty. So why waste everyone's time with futile, useless peace talks.
It would be wise to do so and start working toward what is left as an option.
Fatah option is State Dept fiction and doesn`t exist in reality. Only power keeping Fatah alive and preventing West Bank from turning into another Gaza under Hamas is Israeli army. Solutions: (a) Gaza: Under linkage to Egypt, turned into Dubai-like indl/comml hub on East Med; (b) West Bank: Parts federated with Jordan, safeguarding security & settlements for Israel, demographics for Arabs, holy sites for both. 2-State Plan doesn't make sense only if you think its aim is Peace; it makes a lot of sense if you realize its aim is further progress along 1974 Staged Plan to destroy Israel.
For Israelis in and out of the Government the current deterioration of relations with the Palestinians and all the Arab neighbors is not in your best interests. The intransigence of your PM not to stop settlements so that negotiations can begin is only going to lead to another Middle-East war. Is that what you want. As a Jewish American, I do not see this as something that my country can support, and I for one believe that some financial sanction against Israel and the Palestinians may have to be used to kick-start negotiations. You cannot go on blaming each other because you share the same land. Both parties must accept that there will be no clear winners and losers. The myth of a greater Israel in the 21st century is a myth and it is dead. The myth that the Palestinians and other arabs can rid themselves of their Jewish neighbors is a myth and that is dead.
clearly no cake is better than half of one. in a one state solution there will be no PA and no illegal settlements
The two state solution based on 1967 lines doesn't do justice to the refugees of 1948. No solution to the Israeli Palestinian problem without addressing the issue of the refugees rights. A binational state could be the civilized way of sorting out this complicated issue.
How typical that the PLO demands the rewards without doing the work first. They did the same with OSLO. "The road map also required that Palestinians dismantle armed groups like Islamist Hamas, which opposes peace talks. That did not happen, and Hamas now controls the Gaza Strip..."
As a Palestinian and Lebanese, born in Sweden, I have already abandoned the hope for a independent Palestinian state. Israel is not interested in peace, though. The status quo - the brutal occupation can not continue.
Abbas has no power and hamas doesn't want peace. why is there all this talk of peace negotiations when no one has the authority to make peace?
The true Palestinian state has yet to be built and claimed in the land where most Palestinians live and this place is called Jordan. The Palestinian mandate included Jordan which was to go to make the Jewish state under Balfour Declaration but Israel has relinquished it's rights for now over Jordan and this was to make your Palestinian state. Arabs want it all but they cannot have ALL of Israel but go to Jordan and take your people there to make a new and better life. Peace upon you!
wanted in the first place - in 1947. Then they can join Jordan - they already speak Arabic ... If not, San Marino is good place too...
The Palestinians NEVER wanted nor accepted a two-state solution. It has, since 1948, all been about not allowing Jewish sovereignty in a Jewish state in what they purport to be Arab land. They never wanted a state before we had one, nor did any country suggest they should, could, or would have one. Just because the steps of the dance have changed, doesn't mean that it isn't the same dance.
This is what the Palestinians wanted all the time "The Democratic Palestinian State" under an Arab aegis with everyone else as dhimmi. In the beginning it will be under Jewish auspices. However afterward...?We want to share the West Bank with the Palestinians, because Resolution 242 calls for 'secure borders'.
with all of it's inhabitants having equal rights with protection for minorities as in Lebanon may be the best way forward. I always thought that Israel and Palestine had a symbiotic relationship where one will not be able to survive without the other. So prehaps a single state with one man one vote is the best solution that can be achieved. Worked in South Africa which had a similar regime to the current Israeli one.
""This is dictation and not negotiations," Erekat said This is exactly what Israel wants. Dictate and not negociate using military force against resisting palestinians. Anyone surprised ? Now what ? would Israel accept a one State solution with equal rights for every citizen? would Israel accept palestinians to build in Haifa or Nazareth or Tel Aviv ? I guess Bibi and his fellow right-wingers will have to find another trick to get rid of 5 millions of palestinians and pretend Israel was in danger and not responsible. Same old story...
no more settlers. one state. jews can live anywhere in the greater israel. arabs full citizens of israel and can live anywhere like citizens of normal countries like canada. or israel may prefer arabstans like south africa. forcing arabs to leave israel may end up at the icc just like karadzic.
Try Jordan. It's been suggested for decades. That's your state. Palestine is Jewish, not Arab. Jerusalem is a 3,000 years Jewish capital. The buck stops here. Enough is enough of Phillistins' grabs. What's mine is mine. Not yours even though you have excelled in lies and thievery.
The demands on Israel will never end, the state will be economically dependent and politically unstable. Erakat does not like Israel dictating terms, then Erakat can't dictate terms either. If there is a reality: Jordan is Pal and since a 1 state solution is not going to fly any more than a 2 or 3 state solution, Jordan should govern the WB. That should be put to a vote among the Pals.
it's not they they don't have a "Palestinian" state, it's that the Jews have one. If they really wanted an independent state, they could have had one 61 years ago.