Egypt official: Israel assassination policy inflaming entire Mideast

I've been looking for them too, but not finding them. He used to post them quite often last year but I haven't seen them around lately. I used to call them the Six Questions of Doom because they are really difficult and no-one ever was able to answer them! Especially not me!

No, i couldn't find them; it isn't possible with the scant amount of information he gave. It doesn't matter, though; he's determined not to answer my questions and will just come up with some other red herring. If he were interested in dialogue, he would have just posted the questions.

"I`ve posted them so many times, that even you, who isn`t directly involved, knows them by heart" Yes, I know the questions, although not the answers... We'll see if potobac finds them...

And a couple of more times after that, go dig, and stop bothering me with nonsense

I've posted them so many times, that even you, who isn't directly involved, knows them by heart

Ben, post the Six Questions of Doom again!

That you posted them does me no good if I can't find them. It's impossible without that knowledge. Let me know what the questions are or else admit this is a cop-out to save you from having to deal with questions you can't answer. As I said, cowardice is ugly.

go dig for them

the last time i looked moses who was an Israelite said thou shalt NOT KILL what happened to these people

According to the Israeli news release I reported in #189, there were 150 Egyptian POWs murdered. CIA Hqs, during the time I knew something about the Liberty attack, did not know about the execution of the POWs. So obviously the Liberty was not monitoring any communications about that issue. But the Israelis obviously didn't know that.

"That morning Israel executed 150 Egyptian POWs, a few at a time, every few minutes. Israel feared the Liberty intercepted communications about it" But, if this is true, isn't attacking and destroying an American ship a very dangerous way for Israel to cover up the killings? Why not just stop the killings completely so the Liberty, if it knew about this, would have nothing to report? How many POWs do you think were killed?

Cop out. I can't answer the famous six questions unless you give them to me. Please do so at your earliest convenience, or, alternatively, stop using them to avoid answering questions which make you uncomfortable. Cowardice is ugly.

First, you don't understand what propaganda is. Sometimes the best propaganda is telling true things about the enemy inn a way that makes them seem bad. How about "Ben Jabo probably hasn't sexually abused a minor in over three weeks now". As to Israel having a right to eliminate anyone who has harmed or killed an Israeli without legal action, doesn't that mean (since the same rules apply to Israel as to every other country), every other country has the right to go into Israel and summarily execute any Israeli who has harmed or killed any of its citizens? By the way, I haven't gotten my questions yet.

Until I see your caption indicating you're answering my six questions, let's just say you won't get a response, since I won't bother to open your mail Capice??

There is no requirement for a shrink to repeat to you, although I can't imagine why this irrelevancy is being addressed, that your comparison of Masada to Pearl Harbor, the WTC and the Alamo expressed the reasoning of a dunce. The thought process that would allow one to compare the WTC, Pearl Harbor and the Alamo to a mass suicide pact implies you have been going thru life making such incongruous comparisons. Or perhaps, your seemingly obsessive compulsion to defend zionism forces you to call upon totally random, non-factual, non-sequiturs in an uncontrollable drive to say something...anything, about everything, whether you know anything about the subject or not. Your lack of knowledge about the Alamo defenders hoping for the arrival of Huston's army, and your declaration that the "Liberty knowingly entered a war zone," are typical examples of having a compulsive urge to say something: truthfulness or relevance seem unimportant to you.

Ben Jabo, when one levels a charge of disinformation, he usually mentions what the disinformation is. Were you referring to my comment,"no military would attack a ship in international waters without checking its registration?" If that's it, what in the world does that have to do with the effectiveness of the N. Korean military? Is that what you based the disinformation charge on? You don't recognize that as a non-sequitur? The only similarity between the Pueblo and the Liberty is that a hostile nation attacked a US vessel in international waters. The difference: the N. Koreans captured the ship, and Israel tried to sink its target with all hands aboard. So, finally, we reach agreement, Israel mounted a hostile military attack on a US naval ship in international waters. That was my initial contention. By comparing the Pueblo attack to the Liberty attack, you obviously agree. Whew, a long time, a twisted path, uncountable irrelevancies, and lots of nasty pejoratives along the way.

The important lesson to learn from Masada is that their deaths were wasted; they died in an unnecessary battle fought because the Jewish people started a war they could not possibly win. It was not uncommon for people to kill themselves rather than be slaves. By the way, where are my questions?

To quote a rather famous American "Give me Liberty or Give me Death" Patrick Henry People at Msada chose the latter instead of Roman captivity, see a shrink!!!

Ron is as disinformational as per usueal "No Military", seems to me that the N. Koreans had a rather effective Military, USA didn't make out oo well in Korean War Here's the info on the Pueblo, North Koreans captured that ship while the U.S. claimed it was in "International Waters" "Wiki" USS Pueblo (AGER-2) is a Banner-class technical research ship (Navy intelligence) which was boarded and captured by the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) on January 23, 1968 in what is known as the Pueblo incident or alternatively as the Pueblo crisis or Pueblo affair. This is considered one of the major incidents in the Second Korean War. North Korea stated that she strayed into their territorial waters, but the United States maintains that the vessel was in international waters at the time of the incident" L no longer both ro respond to Ron, he's a loon Patrick Henry said "Give me Liberty of give me death", people at Masada chose the latter instead of Roman captivity

Silvienne, you pose thoughtful questions. Jabo's Liberty ship comments are meant to obfuscate. Israelis knew they were attacking the USS Liberty. No military would attack a ship in international waters without first checking its registration. Libertys registration AGTR-5 listed it in Jane's Fighting Ships as a US Naval Signals Intelligence Ship. AGTR-5 was painted on each side of the bow in letters 10 feet tall. Recon planes do not miss such markings. That's why they overfly. Why the attack? The US first thought it was because US had brokered a cease fire and Israel intended to violate it and attack the Golan Heights. Recent reports in Egyptian and Israeli press (Ydeiot Ahronot) contend another reason. That morning Israel executed 150 Egyptian POWs, a few at a time, every few minutes. Israel feared the Liberty intercepted communications about it. Liberty Veterans Association recently filed formal complaints with House and Senate Ethics Committees over lack of investigation.

You ask about a possible motive. Israel had a lot to gain in its attack on the Golan, and it may have been afraid we would stop it from the attack. You may remember that in a previous war Israel was doing quite well in an attack on Egypt until the US told it to stop and pull back (which of course it had to do).

It's a waste of everyone's time to discuss the Alamo with you. But you should be put in perspective. You will say anything to defend zionism, whether true, relevant, pompous or deceptive. You will say anything to perpetuate the Israeli national paranoia, "we poor Jews are surrounded by Muslims who want to wipe us off the face of the earth" (while you approach the 43rd year of a harsh, humiliating illegal occupation of Palestinian territory) "we are victims of terror" (while you attempt to starve 1.5 million of them in Gaza) "the UN is anti-semitic" (while Israel is in violation of more UN resolution than any country in the world) "the world is anti-semitic" (while the Israeli human rights record equates that of Burma and N. Korea). "We face the whole world alone:" The Masada syndrome. Now you want to compare Masada to the Alamo, Pearl Harbor and the WTC. Nonsensical! The Alamo defenders intended to hold until Huston's army arrived to relieve them. No whining national paranoia there.

I read Ben's link to wikipedia about liberty ships and also wikipedia's article called the "US Liberty incident" which describes the attack on the ship. I don't know what to conclude after this. The problem seems to be, Ron, a matter of motive. What possible motive could Israel have had to attack an American ship? And with such a deadly attack? The article says that the incident was never investigated by congress and Israel paid compensation money to America. The ship was in international waters, as well. I've been trying to find out if America and Israel were allies at the time this happened. Ben, you think some other country had bought this ship and was using an American flag?

Last time I was in graduate school one of the subjects that came up in a course was propaganda. It is generally agreed the most effective propaganda is done by choosing all the bad things one could find about a person/nation and present them as though they gave a complete picture of what you are describing. The individual items in propaganda are not necessarily false, although the message being given can be quite misdirective The question you keep not answering is does Israel have the right to go into other countries, ignore their legal system, and take retribution for a crime without the permission of that country. Whether others have entered Israel and committed crimes is not relevant to that.

Would it be rude t ask what the questions are? Or is this another way to hide from answering questions

Silvienne, dont be confused by Ben Jabo's comments. Obviously he knows none of the facts about the attack on the Liberty, and statements such as, "Liberty...knowingly entered a war zone," (it was in international waters) satisfies me he is prepared to say anything, true or not, and is therefore intellectually dishonest, or a liar. The claim that WWII liberty ships could be purchased (so what?) is irrelevant, and one does not just buy a ship and put a flag on it and go to sea. The full report on the attack sent by COMSIXTHFLT arrived in CIA Hqs where I read it. I reported a synopsis in #172. The full report has subsequently been declassified under FOIA and can be recovered under that Act. If Jabo thinks #172 is exaggerated he should recover the documents, or else not comment. The ship was not warned, and there were no oral communications between the ship and the Israelis before the attack, so Jabo's comments about the English spoken is nothing more than an attempt to deceive.

More than 2400 Liberty ships survived WW2, surplus were sold and bought for private ventures Anyone that had the money could have bought one, purchased an American flag to and placed it for all to see, the vessel under discussion wasn't unique by any means The "Liberty" SPYSHIP, knowingly entered a war zone Here's the usual link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_ship Don't mind Ron, he likes to overdramatize things he's never experienced The fact that the crew spoke American English isn't worth two cents, the Germans had men that were born and raised in the USA and also spoke American English, that's another story, ask I'll send the usual links

I'm not able to help you, consult a licensed shrink

What nonsense, the Texicans remained at the Alamo, knowing full well that Santa Anna was going to slaughter them to the last man Make an urgent appointment with a shrink!!

I wasn't discussing a website named Masada There's a mountain fortress with that name Here's the link http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Archaeology/Masada1.html

If it's "Propaganda", then prove it!!! Pick and item or 2 or 3, give an intelligent refutation plus verifiable sources and links Israel not only has the right, it has a duty, by any means necessary to eliminate anyone that has harmed or killed an Israeli, by any means necessary There's no Statute of Limitations when it comes to murder Let's not forget all the outsiders that entered Israel and perpetrated the murders of Jews BTW-How about answering the six questions I had sent??

Some time ago I sent you six questions which you refused to respond to So, don't bug me with your nonsense until you reply Understood??

1. The USS Liberty was in international waters and had the right to be there unmolested under international law. 2. It has been pretty firmly established that in fact it was not warned. 3. I have no idea what you are talking about when you refer to their response being in American English. I also have some question how you know how well I speak American English. I admit to having some Noo Yawk accent, but to my knowledge Noo Yawk is part of the US.

That's a horrific description you wrote of the sinking of the US Liberty. Why would Israel do such a thing? And machine gunning the lifeboats in the water??

Well, I should have known you'd know about "thugs"...I can never tell you something you don't already know! I have heard of Gunga Din however, and "Masada" is a website I've seen which lists pictures and descriptions of Israelis killed by Palestinians... Have you read Ron's post #172? Is all that really true? It's terrible if it is...

Your description of what happened to the US Liberty is awful--reminds me of Pearl Harbor when you say airmen and US crew waved at each other. What could Israel have been thinking, to do such a thing? If all you've written is correct and true, and I was part of the US government, I'd have nothing further to do with Israel from the day of the sinking onwards...

Again, you have trouble addressing the subject. The question was about the USS Liberty. You again answer with a non-sequitur.The Israeli attack on USS Liberty was deliberate. The ship was cruising 14 miles off Sinai. Ship designation letters were painted 10 ft tall on each side of the bow. The designation showed the ship in the International Maritime Identification book, Jane's Fighting Ships to be a US Naval vessel.The ship was flying the oversized US holiday flag. The Israelis shot that to pieces. The Israelis jammed the ship's communications. An Israeli recon plane flew 90 ft above the mast, twice. Airmen and US crew waved at each other. Two waves of fighters arrived and strafed and rocketed the ship. Then 3 torpedo boats arrived and circled, firing 40mm shells at the bridge and waterline. They then fired 5 torpedos, one killed 24 of the 39 killed in the attack. To abandon ship, life rafts were put over the side. The boats closed and machine gunned them sinking them all.

As you say, it is unwise to forget history. If one looks at the whole story of Masada, one sees that it did not have to happen. Unfortunately, the Jewish people stupidly started a war they hadn't the slightest possibility of winning. If they hadn't, there is every likelihood Israel would have continued to exist and nearly all its population wouldn't have been killed or forced into slavery.

At your suggestion I went to the site (thereligionofpeace), looked through several of the articles and went through the table of contents. As far as I can see it contains a great deal of propaganda against Islam. Some of the articles contain a degree of truth (as with every religion,there is a lot of negative to say about Islamic people throughout the world). However there was nothing I saw which was relevant to Israel's ignoring the territorial integrity of other countries. Instead of changing the subject, as you normally do, why not answer my question? Your position seems to be Israel has the right to enter all other countries without reference to their autonomy and in violation of their laws. If so, do they have the reciprocal right to enter Israel and kill those they feel merit killing? If not, why not?

I don't like to use pejorative comments, because, as you know well, they imply limited vocabulary. But you might be the thickest person I have ever encountered. The Egyptian official said Israeli assassination policy inflames the Mideast. You reply in #137 with a complete non-sequitur, totally irrelevant comments about Egypt. This began in #140 when I pointed out Jews never address the substance of criticism, they always attack the interlocutor, the reporter. Now you prove that theory, silly as it may be, by repeating the same irrelevancy again, twice! There must be some rampant Jewish gene. Are you completely unable, mentally or physically, to force yourself to say something about the charge that the Israeli assassination policy (if there is such a policy) is enflaming the Mideast? Your #157 doesnt call for a response. I was not on the WH staff and giving back Palestinian land is another non-sequitur. Today's international laws were not in effect when US fought Indians and Mexico.

Thousands of Liberty ships were built for service during WW2, hundreds were sold into private hands for commercial use, details are on Wiki Anyone, even you, if you had the money, could have bought a Libety, mounted an American Flag on it and pretend it was an American vessel The fact that the ship entered into an active war zone seems to have eluded you, it was warned and didn't heed the warning Next, you'll tell me that they responded to the challenge in "American English" Bibi Netanyahu speaks better American English that you do, and also makes better sense when talking

My wife and I went to the top of Masada, when looking down we saw the outlines of the Roman encampments. After these thousands of years, the outlines still remained because the area is so damn hot and doesn't see any rainfall worth mentioning Outlines were caused by the Roman boots as they marched back and forth to their duties and tents Nowadays and for a prior number of years, soldiers graduating from the Basic Training are taken to the Mountain Top and swear an oath that "Masada will not fall again" At that time the world wasn't against Israel, it was Rome, which was later responsible for the Inquistion, that was the responsible party

That I knew about "Thugs" If the old movie "Gunga Din" is still available it gives some details about how the word originated Good acting too Those were Egyptians that their officers chained to their guns, as far as I know no narcotics were involved Look up "Gunga Din" on the "Internet Movide DAtabase, lot's of good actors displayed their talents

There are no similarities. No one gathered at the Alamo, Pearl Harbor or the WTC to carry out a suicide pact because their cause was lost. It's a wonderful story to feed Israel's national paranoia.

"Let`s talk about Fallujah where American forces destroyed a city of half a million people to get rid of 300 terrorists" Irrelevant to this discussion, Eli....

You mentioned this--I looked it up on Google and find it refers to: 1) an ancient Roman fortress captured by the Israelites who then all killed themselves, and 2) the idea a state can have that the entire world is against them. Does this sound right to you?

"BTW-"ASSASSIN" is an Arab word, derived from "Hashish", the narcotic" Did you know the word "thug" comes from the East Indian word "thugee" also meaning assassin?! "Many "ASSASSIN`S" were given the drug to fortify them before going out to kill" That reminds me of the guys who were chained to their machine guns to stop them running away from the Israelis!

I supplied We've had these discussions before, endless questions on your part, no answers either For a change, let's have some snawers, start with the link

You still didn't answer the question. However, I assume you feel that if Israel perceives the other party originated the violence it has the right to go into other countries and execute whomever it considers guilty. Please answer: if another country assumes Israel originated the violence does it have the right to go into Israel and execute people on the same basis? If not, why does Israel have that right and nobody else? For instance, does the US have the right to kill those responsible for the attack on the Liberty?

He who forgets history is bound to repeat it Remember Masada, Alamo, Pearl Harbor, WTC Understand the similarities, your flaming half-wit?

"Many "ASSASSIN`S" were given the drug to fortify them before going out to kill" This reminds me of the guys who were chained to their machine guns to stop them running away from the Israelis...! Did you know that "thug" is an Indian word, actually "thugee" also meaning assassin?! Surely if Ron was in the CIA he wouldn't be talking about it on this forum??

I'm very impressed with your manufactured CV, next you're going to tell us you're on the WH staff "Clandestine Service", they must have kept you hidden in the coat closet because you're out of your gourd Be assured, Israel will return the territories she captured in wars started by the Arabs, just as soon as the USA returns the land to the Indians and Mexicans See a professional, this forum is incapable of treating your mental problems

You're so filled with hate that your unable to digest or understand the written word My post #137, this forum, refutes your nonsense "The Egyptian official to look to his own failures Name: *BEN JABO City: USA/ISRAEL State: It`s evident he choses to ingore what`s going on under his nose Coptic Christian`s are being persecuted, and have been for many years, afraid to go to their Churches to pray because it incites their Muslim brothers to vioence and killing Let`s just say that freedom of any sort isn`t Egypt`s strongest forte "

I can't believe you're really that dense or deluded, but it seems I'm forced to refute your utter nonsense Look at m post #137, this forum, best you put away your hookah, it leads to delusions "The Egyptian official to look to his own failures Name: *BEN JABO City: USA/ISRAEL State: It`s evident he choses to ingore what`s going on under his nose Coptic Christian`s are being persecuted, and have been for many years, afraid to go to their Churches to pray because it incites their Muslim brothers to vioence and killing Let`s just say that freedom of any sort isn`t Egypt`s strongest forte" Ron, I wish you a speedy recovery!!!

The assassin seem well reversed in the habits of their target, attack was co-ordinated to the umpteenth degree It's highly unlikely they killed the wrong person, the question that remains who engaged the assassins, it could very well have been fellow Muslims who were jockeying for power BTW-"ASSASSIN" is an Arab word, derived from "Hashish", the narcotic Many "ASSASSIN'S" were given the drug to fortify them before going out to kill Look it up!!!

It all depends on just who originated the act of terror or violence Since facts have established that it's mainly Muslim violence against the rest of the world, it seems the rest of the world is duly entitled to go after the bulk of the perpetrators For reference, though I know it won't help in your case, have a peek at the following, just might enlighten you a wee bit www.thereligionofpeace.com Seems to be Muslims against the rest of the world is clearly established BTW-It was 5 Arab armies, plus Palestinian Irregulars that attacked Israel in 1948, not the other way around

You did not direct one word to what the Egyptian official said. You wrote about Copts and freedoms in Egypt: Complete non-sequiturs. The Egyptian didn't mention religious bias. Please don't turn this into your "Jewish victimhood", the national paranoia, the "We are all at Masada syndrome." I don"t know where the likes of me should have been not to be flatulent, but I hope it's not to a place where you have been that would cause me to write an irrelevant response regarding the remarks of the Egyptian official. You poor things, you have been thru so much. Why don't you give up the harsh humiliating 42-year illegal occupation of Palestinian territory and make it all better. After some years in the US Marines, and 25 years in CIA's Clandestine Service, I am unimpressed where you are or have been.

"Remember the Munich Olympics, Mossad caught each and everyone of those killers and did the necessary" I've read about it and approve of the Israeli action. Also in Entebbe good work was done. "In the olden days there were Cities of Refuge, they don`t exist anymore" Like churches in medieval times used to be places of sanctuary? "Meanwhile, there`s doubt that Israel actually killed this fellow, who you should know has also been complicit in the killing of Israeli`s" There's a possibility it will never be known who killed him. I just think there's always a danger of killing the wrong people during an assassination...

You still didn't answer the question. If Israel has the right to enforce its justice standards in other countries, do other countries have the reciprocal right to enforce their justice standards in Israel? If not, why not?

To the best of my knowledge, Israel only goes after those that have either killed Israelis or have exerted effort to do so Remember the Munich Olympics, Mossad caught each and everyone of those killers and did the necessary There's no statute of limiations on murder, retribution is International Meanwhile, there's doubt that Israel actually killed this fellow, who you should know has also been complicit in the killing of Israeli's The wheel turned full circle and he got his just deserts from someone that's still yet to be determined In the olden days there were Cities of Refuge, they don't exist anymore Killers take their chances and sometimes they lose

People that live in glass houses, as the Egyptian does, shouldn't throw stones, a fact the seems to have failed to penetrate your noggin Don't generalize, If I stooped to your level (G-d Forbid) I would have to assume that all Muslims are ruthless killers, knowing full well that you don't have the guts to get physically involved, hiding behind your keyboard

Peter, you have lost all credibility by quoting from this rabid, blatantly bigoted group whose sole agenda is to stir up hate against the Islamic religion. It's agenda is self-evident

Do you think it is acceptable for Israel to carry out assassinations of enemies in other countries, Ben? Because I think that could be a very risky policy...other countries may do the same to Israel, and they may end up hitting the wrong people thus killing more innocents...

My rhetoric fools you, but I hope no one else. One doesnt usually confuse the activities of rogue, barbaric guerrilla bands conducting ad hoc massacres with sovereign nations, members of the UN, and self-described democracies. Israel is deliberately attempting to starve 1.5 million people. It is conducting the worst human rights violation in the world today, if only because of the sheer numbers of victims involved. I live on the same planet as members the international community, the UN, and the International Court of Justice who accuse Israel of being guilty of a war crime. I have a certain agenda: To ensure the world knows about this atrocity.

Hmmmm. I guess then you consider Munich part of the Arab world? No wonder it's called Eurabia. Or your going to tell me that the 1972 Olympic massacre was done by Arab speaking Americans? Your problem is that we are no longer your Dhimmi's anymore and it will take you time to adjust.

You don't seem to be responding to my question: if Israel has the right to go into other countries to enforce justice as it sees fit, do other counties have the reciprocal right to do the same within Israel? Or do you feel Israel is exempt from the rules that apply to other countries?

It's typical of the likes of you, that have never been there, telling those that have, what they should and shouldn't do Typical flatulence from an anti-semite far from the scene of events, if you're that so all fired concerned, hie your tail to where you can personally witness what's going on You're certainly not on the playing field, nor in the stadium, matter of fact you're not on the same continent I did comment on what the Egypptian said and indicated he should have been the last one to talk, when his own country is infected with religious bias Keep on yammering, maybe the hot air will melt some of the snow in Fairfax

Americans swear at Israel daily and say it was a mistake to have created it. And people who seems to have no political affiliation now say: "We must do something about Israel...." Hence this relationships has all but expired despite Obama's and his administration commitment to back it up. It has lost the heart & soul of the American people it once held captive.... And I believe the Israeli Army and Israeli government can pat them-selves on the back for this as it has been their desire to illegally ex- pand their land size as the cost of the Palestinian people and their sovereign homeland which has utterly destroyed their standing as a moral and just people worthy of their continued support. Dutch

It is heartening to see that you are upholding your heritage. It is typical of a Jew never to address the substance of any attack levied against Israel. Always, rpt, always attack the interlocutor, the person levying the accusation. Rather than criticize Egypt, why don't you comment on what the Egyptian official said?

Presumably it takes a modicum of intelligence to say on the subject, but the brightest of minds wander. In these postings, two contributors contend Arab incitement is inflaming the Mideast. My post contends the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory inflames the Mideast. The international community of nations agrees. You, however, ask why Arab nations stopped attacking Israel? Who cares? It's a non-sequitur. You ask why Israeli Arabs prefer to live in Israel? Another non-sequitur.I didn't comment on what it's like to live in Israel. I guess they would rather not live in Palestine under an oppressor. You say Egypt should take Gaza back. Non-sequitur. Egypt can't, Gaza is occupied Palestinian territory. I didn't blame any country's failure on Israel. Why don't you try again. Address the subject at hand: What inflames and has radicalized the Middle East, Arab incitement, or Israeli violations of international law?

Potobac Terrorists have acted in any country that`s failed to deter them, including the USA, England, Pakistan, and a host of others Here`s a link to open your eyes, terror is a global Muslim endeavor, don`t forget to click on all the tabs www.thereligionofpeace.com

It's evident he choses to ingore what's going on under his nose Coptic Christian's are being persecuted, and have been for many years, afraid to go to their Churches to pray because it incites their Muslim brothers to vioence and killing Let's just say that freedom of any sort isn't Egypt's strongest forte

Israel does what it is forced to do!!! If the terrorist has changed his location Israel is entitled to seek to eliminate him Where have you been all these years?, apparently not on this earth, those scum attacked the WTC, killing more than 3000 innocent souls Terrorists have acted in any country that's failed to deter them, including the USA, England, Pakistan, and a host of others Here's a link to open your eyes, terror is a global Muslim endeavor, don't forget to click on all the tabs

Dear Peter, All you have done is club together a list of URLs with some headings. Put some intellectual effort into this please and make a point. State your point or points clearly and then say how the URLs, which I presume are some sort of evidence, support your points You must make a case for me to answer. I'm not going to try and guess your argument. You make it. regards Nick

majority of global terror is coming from.Its NOT where Ferriman claims.That is the point. If the terror attacks quotes are incorrect I'am happy to acknowledge I stand corrected. Feel free.

majority of global terror is coming from.Its NOT where Ferriman claims.That is the point. If the terror attacks quotes are incorrect I'am happy to acknowledge I stand corrected. Feel free.

You claim that because SOME Muslims are terrorists, one can ascribe that trait to the religion. Some Jews are dishonest business men. Can we generalize that to claim that trait about all Jews?

surely one of the most pernicious websites on the internet. its mandate is to denigrate the the religion of islam not merely its extremists, Were such a site recommended to a jewish poster(eg. Rense .com I don't recommend it!) i would understand his outrage.

surely one of the most pernicious websites on the internet. its mandate is to denigrate the treligion of islam not merely its extremists, Were such a site recommended to a jewish poster(eg. Rense .com I don't recommend it!) i would understand his outrage.

the rest of the world.Including Thailand. Does not quite fit your sipmlistic attempts at whitewash Here it is again for you. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ 2010.02.14 (Pattani, Thailand) - Islamists brutally murder a Buddhist woman and her 13-year-old daughter. 2010.02.13 (Narathiwat, Thailand) - A 44-year-old man is gunned down by Islamic militants while using the restroom. 2010.02.13 (Pattani, Thailand) - Muslim militants shoot a man sitting on his front porch with friends. 2010.02.13 (Kandahar, Afghanistan) - A Fedayeen suicide bomber sends two other souls to Allah. 2010.02.13 (Kufa, Iraq) - A female suicide bomber murders at least six Shia pilgrims headed to a religious ceremony. 2010.02.13 (Pune, India) - Five women are among nine innocents blasted to death by a Shahid suicide bomber at a bakery near a Jewish center.

Including in Thailand. Here it is again for you. 2010.02.14 (Pattani, Thailand) - Islamists brutally murder a Buddhist woman and her 13-year-old daughter. 2010.02.13 (Narathiwat, Thailand) - A 44-year-old man is gunned down by Islamic militants while using the restroom. 2010.02.13 (Pattani, Thailand) - Muslim militants shoot a man sitting on his front porch with friends. 2010.02.13 (Kandahar, Afghanistan) - A Fedayeen suicide bomber sends two other souls to Allah. 2010.02.13 (Kufa, Iraq) - A female suicide bomber murders at least six Shia pilgrims headed to a religious ceremony. 2010.02.13 (Pune, India) - Five women are among nine innocents blasted to death by a Shahid suicide bomber at a bakery near a Jewish center. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Dear Peter, I am sorry, but I cannot make head-nor-tail of you post. What is it you are trying to say? What is it you would like me to reply on? Regards Nick

Dear Dr L Brnd, Thank you for your reply. The Taliban was a government, and 9/11 was a sufficient enough pretext (the rules on self-defence mean a border guard firing a rifle or rocket would not suffice, the killing of 3,000 people did), so it was legitimate to attack Afghanistan to remove the aggressor. This is why the UN gave its permission for the attack. The attack on Iraq was not legitimate, as it was not authorized by the UN. As for Hamas, it is a legitimate resistance movement trying to free its people from Israeli subjugation. (For your information, Palestine does not have a seat at the UN. It only has observer status. It is therefore not classified by the UN as a nation state. Sorry). Hezbollah is in a similar position. It too came into being only after the murderous assault and occupation of its territory by Israel. Both these organization are fighting to free themselves. Under democratic president ? e.g. the American Revolutionary War ? and international law, those who are under ?alien? or ?colonial? domination have the right to free themselves, and what is more, UN Resolution 2649, passed in 1970, allows the oppressed to use what ever weapons are available to do so. This means suicide bombings are, like cluster bombs and mines (if they can get their hands on them), legitimate as tactics and weapons in their hands, but not in the hands of their oppressors. Aggressive nation states and their bully boy supporters hate hearing this. They also object vociferously to being reminded that according to John Locke those who suppress a rebellion do so without authority, and are then themselves illegitimate entities. By his definition, the US is an illegitimate state with no authority, apart from, that is, the power that comes out of the barrel of a gun. This makes it no different to Mao?s China, apart from the extent of its military power. I do not expect the US to play the ?game? as you call it, because behaving morally and decently is not in its make-up. Rather, ethnic cleansing, mass murder and genocide are integral parts of its institutional DNA. So rest assured, I do not for one moment expect the US to give up its wars of aggression on the world?s indigenous peoples.. As for my definition on terrorism, I like your contribution of the word ?intentional?, so I have included it here: terrorism is the deliberate and intentional use of violence against unarmed civilians for political ends. Thank you. You will note too that I have removed my comment that ?This was how the West was won? because it hides a greater truth. The West was won by ethnic cleaning and genocide, but I have referred to that propensity already. It is American force of arms, not moral power, that is enforcing its global hegemony. That is all it has to offer, fear. It is not much of a legacy is it? Regards Nick Ferriman Bangkok

Almost all global terror and deaths come from one group. Have you noticed what happens in Thailand? http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ Latest Offerings from the Religion of Peace "He who fights that Islam should be superior fights in Allah's cause" Muhammad, prophet of Islam 2010.02.14 (Pattani, Thailand) - Islamists brutally murder a Buddhist woman and her 13-year-old daughter. 2010.02.13 (Narathiwat, Thailand) - A 44-year-old man is gunned down by Islamic militants while using the restroom. 2010.02.13 (Pattani, Thailand) - Muslim militants shoot a man sitting on his front porch with friends. 2010.02.13 (Kandahar, Afghanistan) - A Fedayeen suicide bomber sends two other souls to Allah. 2010.02.13 (Kufa, Iraq) - A female suicide bomber murders at least six Shia pilgrims headed to a religious ceremony. 2010.02.13 (Pune, India) - Five women are among nine innocents blasted to death by a Shahid suicide bomber at a bakery near a Jewish center.

have been identified,let alone arrested,no country has had any evidence bought against it.Out of this fog Egypt has a shot at Israel. What are the real motives behind this outburst.? Egypt fearing its standing as the "leader"?The usual pan Arab/Iranian trick is to yell Israel when seeking attention or deflection. It cant be their worry about assasinations of Moslems, the Shia/Sunnis are doing it to each other wholesale.

I think the shaheeds (or martyrs) should be grateful to Israel, who provides free service for them to transport them to their 70+ virgins. Israelis and Jews do not prefer the virgins, so they don't want to come with them on that journey.

What next?

Dirty moslem terrorists must be afraid of every minute of their dirty lives. Tried to murder Jewish women and children? ... Marked for death!

Ron: Think, buddy, why have the Arab nations stopped attacking Israel directly? Could it be b/c they have gotten their individual and collective arses kicked every time they tried it? Why, Ron, if Israel is a "bad" as you claim, do the Israeli Arabs choose to remain living there? Could it be b/c they have a better--much better--standard of living in Israel than they could possibly have in any Arab country? As for the Pals, Egypt ought to take the Gazans back and Jordan ought to take the Arabs on the West Bank back, but unfortunately neither country wants them back. Why not?? Figure it out. It's not hard. Please show a modicum of intelligence and don't blame Israel for the failure of other countries. OK?

BEFORE ALL THIS HATRED AGAINST ISRAEL AND JEWS MANIFESTED HERE ON THIS BLOG, WHO KNOWS WHO DID IT? AS FOR ME I COULNDT GIVE A RATS ASS WHO DID IT, GOOD RIDDENS OF HIM. THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE FOR SOME TIME.

What goes around comes around

12 Afghan civilians were accidentally killed when two stray rockets hit a house. 2/14/2010 The washington Post. When Americans murder, it's an accident. When Israel defends itself, it's terrorism. By the way, what is America defending? Why are they murdering thousands of Afghanis and Iraqis on a daily basis. Did Afghanistan or Iraq ever fire rockets into Washington DC or anyhwere else in America. It's time we hired Goldstone and his fiends to render an opinion.

Of course you agree that if it is a good thing for Israel to kill whoever it want in whatever country it chooses, it is also fair for people from those countries to go into Israel and take out any dangerous people. Or is this another case of your belief that rules don't apply to Israel?

he knows for a fact that Hamas, Hezbollah and the Palistinians are the real problem, as their attacking policy have inflamed the entire middle east for years. When are the aggressors going to stop attacking Israel?

Invading an international event and kidnapping Israeli athletes is legitimate resistance? The rescue attempt was indeed botched because the GErmans refused to let Israel handle it. But a rescue effort would not have been necessary but for the terrirsts' actions, now would they?

Your rhetoric fools nobody. Statements like Israel is perpetrating "the worst violation of human rights taking place in the world today" makes you sound foolish. The victims of the worst kind of Human rights violations are in Africa, in Sudan and in the Congo, where victims are forced to eat the flesh of their own amputated limbs and those of their slaughtered parents and children. Whic planet do you live on? You have gall - or a certain agenda. Which is it?

to keep Israelis safe from murderous terrorists and their activities. Nobody knows who eliminated Muniyeh or al-Mabhouh, but everyone seems to take it fro granted that it was Israeli intelligence. So be it - makes no difference one way or the other - but if it makes Israel that much safer then it's a good thing.

identified let alone responsibility proven.Who are they trying to draw attention from? Shiites and Sunnis killing each wholesale almost daily what is the point of this public display?.If they were actually worried about dead brothers as opposed to grandstanding as a "leader" they need look no further than at each other.

three or four were killed in their rooms. You can't change the truth.

That you stand by an Iranian regime which wipes out all sorts of its own citizens as regular as clockwork, and is at war through proxy armies with a State it declares a desire to destroy is not a surprise. Neither is your pretence at believing Israel to be a "colonial settler state". Being able to construct sentences yourself, you will be well aware through reading that Israel houses Jews who have been living in, or separated from that land since long, long before the Arabs colonised areas outside of Arabia which are thousands of times larger than the piece of Jewish land likely to be inside Israel's agreed borders once negotiations are completed and there is peace.

When a subject is killed quickly, there is no information taken. When a government does it, the small group involved in the specific act always represents a faction within the government. The Israeli government would like Israelis to imagine that they are covering Israel's future. 1) Why would a faction within the Israeli government prefer high profile hits of important subjects, carried out by small groups of ideological individuals (who are easily manipulated from Tel Aviv), over the capture of those individuals? 2) Is it because that faction of the Israeli government lacks the operational capability to capture the targets? 3) Is it because if those targets were interrogated properly, the information would eventually lead somewhere that the controlling faction in Israel would find inconvenient? Assassinations can be fun when they are carried out by small groups of non-political individuals with personal agendas, but when a government does them, it is universally problematic.

You Jews place the Palestinian population under a harsh, humiliating 42 year occupation in violation of UN resolutions and international law, you take their land, build on their territory, and build roads on their land they can't use, all in violation of the 4th Geneva Convention. You hold over 11,000 in prison, many without charges, and, with the blockade of Gaza, conduct the worst violation of human rights in the world today. On top of that you build a wall on their land that the UN International Court of Justice has declared illegal. In the field of human rights violations Israel compares to North Korea and Burma. And you maintain that Arab leaders and the press are inflaming the Middle East. Israel hasn't had a war with Arab armed forces in 36 years, and not one Arab nation is involved in planning or carrying out terrorist attacks or any acts of violence against Israel. And you declare the key to peace is cessation of Arab incitement? Are you both nuts?

Thank you Egypt, now at last I know who is responsible to all the trouble in the region . ISRAEL OF COURSE. All the world should and must be a safe haven for the terrorists. I just wonder where we are expected to deal with the terrorist who plan and send suicide bombers. ????

The Israeli undercover operations show a lack of respect for international law. It is also stupid like the Khalid attempt, or the Ahmed Bouchiki killing prove. It is amazing that western governments are so lenient about things like the Mordechai Vanunu kidnap.

Terror cancer must be eliminated at it's source, which of course, seems to prevent further terror It must be rather inconvenient to look for a new bed to sleep in every time they get tired Whoever said Egypt was an honest broker?

Dear US citizen, The thrust of your post is that Jews must be armed in order to defend themselves. This is precisely what Iran is doing for the same reason. The Anglo-US-Israeli axis has caused untold suffering to Iran these last 50 years, never mind the theft of its resources, or the suppression of its democratic ideals. Regards

Dear Dr L. Brnd, You are keen to keep terrorists confined to barracks. We are trying to do the same with war criminals. So far, the fear of arrest has kept Zipi Livni from coming to London on shopping trips. Long may it remain so, though I would far prefer to see her behind bars in the Hague. Regards

Dear Cipora Julianna Kohn, Your one-sided take on affairs in the Middle East is increasingly rejected. Syria was born out of the withdrawal of western colonial powers from the region. But what they gave away with one hand, the West took back with the other. Israel is a colonial settler state, formed in violation of the UN?s own charter, and has the West?s imprimatur written all over it. An attack on Iran, which has US forces on its Western border in Iraq and US soldiers on its eastern border in Afghanistan, and the US navy patrolling its southern coast line in the Persian Gulf, will strengthen the belief that it is the US and its allies who are the problem. To quote Samuel Huntingdon: "The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do." I fully understand Iran?s position, and, given the nature of those who oppose it, it has my support. Regards Nick Ferriman

So, the Taliban, Al-Qaida, Hamas, Hezbollah are not nation-states, and therefore, haha, the "Israel-US Axis" you have invented has no right of self-defense to stop 9-11 atrocities, rocket attacks on civilians, suicide bombings, and have to either sit there and take it, or submit to the Will of Allah. Guess what - we in the "US-Israel axis" don't agree, won't play that game, and, we're going to fight back, so you can sit there in Thailand and shake your tiny fists all you want. For your information, the PA (including Gaza) has a seat in the UN,and therefore is a "nation-state" for purposes of Art. 51. And when a "nation-state" allows (or fails to prevent) use of its soil for acts of war, that soil falls under Article 51. And..you conveniently omitted "intentional" ("...violence against civilians") from your native speaker definition of "terrorism", which "American Citizen" probably didn't like either.

There is no policy how to punish those who cowardly murder innocent people or incite to kill others. Israel have no policy for association. It is only that many failed countries in the Mideast have a policy of protecting hard murderers & giving them the status of heros ! Examples are all over the place ! Those who protect murderers are guilty by association & they are the ones who are breaking the law and must be judged accordingly.

Assassination is quite a good policy, as long as the target cannot be brought to justice at reasonable cost. One type of cost might be the assassination of Israelis abroad in retaliation, but until such a policy is adopted by the counter-parts in a consistent way, Israel is wise to continue. The CIA is apparently not practicing this approach and has lost the ability to do so competently. It would have been so much cheaper to eliminate Saddam rather than invade Iraq. Likewise, the US under Clinton had a number of opportunities to assassinate Osama bin Laden but Clinton was too timid, which caused untold damage in blood and treasure. The assassins should remember at all time that human life is sacred and should not be shed lightly. But as long as there is no other alternative (by arrest and extradition), let them go ahead.

Israel is doing what it must to survive. My relatives who were Jews in Europe were unarmed and completely unprepared when the Nazis came for them. We Jews must never, ever allow ourselves to be in such a position again. Non-Jews might not understand, and that's too bad. Of course, we should try diplomacy first, but if that fails, other ACTIONS must be taken. That is simply the nature of the world in which we live.

- by someone else's sword. better to defend yourself by killing someone instead of being killed, even if that someone claims he's only 'defending himself' when trying to kill you. you can't wait till someone else's perception & understanding is straightened out if your own life is at stake. so much more a reason to kill him before it's too late. the interesting thing is to see the debate swinging from the thing about killing civilians /not to killing people who are no 'civilians' in this sense at all. some people, judging from the way they speak, seem to want to abolish killing in general & at any price, but then expose themselves when applying this selectively only & then even applying the very opposite idea when it suits their cause. the truth is both sides kill & eventually it's not as much a question of who's defending himself /not, but rather what reasons there are /might be for the killing, & in the final stage of it simply of who's a better killer.

Today's rally by supporters of the Lebanese Future Movement repeated the voice of the people that was first heard during the Cedar Revolution. Last spring's election also showed an unexpected defeat for Hizbulla. Amusingly, the British Guardian newspaper reported that Hizbulla had won before the real results came out.

Dear Dr L Brnd, You make a number of statements that require a response from some one. As a native speaker I can give you a definition of terrorism: the use of violence against non-combatants for political ends. It was how the West was won. You then claim that drone strikes are precise and only inflict military casualties. This is balderdash. The strikes by US drones on targets in Pakistan have caused the deaths of countless numbers of civilians. It has infuriated Pakistani public opinion, as it did in Iraq when the US did the same thing there. As for the use of drones in Gaza, Human Rights Watch have condemned Israel for the deaths of a number of children, playing on the roofs of their homes in broad daylight, by missile strikes fired from drones. Your legal justification for these strikes on places thousands of miles from the US is that it is self-defence. Well, international law would not agree with you. Article 51 of the UN Charter makes it specifically clear that the right of self-defence can only be called when a nation state is attacked by another nation state. Pakistan has not attacked the US, so that line of defence is out. And as for Israel, that legal defence does not exist either, because, for all its aspirations Palestine is not a nation state. What we are witnessing from the US and Israel is not self-defence but wars of aggression, and these are crimes under international law. The global citizenry is not in a position to prevent these disgusting attacks, but we will ensure that international jurisdiction will mean that the war criminals who order or commit them will not be able to travel overseas without fearing arrest. Finally, the tone of your post suggests that you believe Mossad hit teams are a good thing. Anyone who thinks that cannot possibly be a supporter of democracy. These hit teams operate outside of the law, and one of the features of a democratic society is its commitment and adherence to the rule of law. Extra-judicial assassination of opponents in cold blood, both in the Occupied Territories and now it seems elsewhere, is just one more example of the contempt that Israel and its supporters have for democratic ideals. The US-Israel axis is a serious threat to the well-being of indigenous peoples everywhere. Regards Nick

Talking of Hezbollah subjugating Lebanon and berating other posters for their lack of foresight.Take some time to read this Washington Post article which will give you an insight sorely lacking, or so it seems. "Israel's previous military campaigns and occupations of Lebanon played a decisive role in creating this new enemy(Hezbollah)" http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/21/AR2006072101653.html?sub=AR

Talking of Hezbollah subjugating Lebanon and berating other posters for their lack of foresight.Take some time to read this Washington Post article which will give you an insight sorely lacking, or so it seems. "Israel's previous military campaigns and occupations of Lebanon played a decisive role in creating this new enemy(Hezbollah)" http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/21/AR2006072101653.html?sub=AR

Mahmoud al-Mabhouh was responsible for many deaths yet he swanned around the Middle East thinking he was immune from being called to account. Funny how things catch up with you.

Excellent, well-founded article. Israel is committing suicide, and intends to take the whole Middle East with it.

Show evidence or keep silence .

Methinks that Egypt protests far too much. They have no reason to comment on Dubai..! Unless, they have begun to feel some heat. Good day.

Talking of Hezbollah subjugating Lebanon and berating other posters for their lack of foresight take some time to read this Washington Post article which will give you an insight sorely lacking, or so it seems. "Israel's previous military campaigns and occupations of Lebanon played a decisive role in creating this new enemy(Hezbollah) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/21/AR2006072101653.html?sub=AR

you sound just like a child. keep in mind further that most victims of muslim terror have been muslims.

Islamic terror?! With no word about Israeli terror... as in Operation Cast Lead... slaughtering civilians, demolishing a flour mill of a population consisting of many young people /children. locked in with no place to hide.

The olympic athletes at Munich were killed by a botched rescue attempt by the German authorities. They were not killed by the Palestinian freedom fighters, legitimately resisting the illegal occupation of their land by religious nutjobs supported by Israel.

no, you do not. you do not even know that syria was nearly completing a nuclear weapons reactor which was destroyed by israel. nor do you understand that hezbollah has taken over and subjugated lebanon and hence hariri has no choice but to bow to little assad and his iranian masters.

there is no proof that israel killed the hamas arms dealer. there is proof plain and visible to all that islamic terrorists are slaughtering innocent humans all over the globe.

there is no proof that israel killed the hamas arms dealer. there is proof plain and visible to all that islamic terrorists are slaughtering innocent humans all over the globe.

Don't blame the Arab media and Arabs for inciting against Israel/Jews. Israel is the country in the region threatening it's neighbors daily, what cave are you living in ? Israel has been threatening Lebanon Hamas Hizbullah Iran for weeks and months. Last i heard Hizbullah has not attacked Israel fired rockets or kidnapped and soldiers yet Israel Foreign Minister Loony Lieberman threatened Lebanon Syrian President Assad it's a two way street. Israel only sees it's side of the issues and to hell with everyone else.

Sadat's assassination has never been fully understood. But one thing is certain: Not one of Sadat's special body guard platoons ever fired a shot during the two minutes of firing by Islambouli. So what is Egypt's assassination policy, exactly.

"Come on. who killed Hariri??? And this other guy????" - Jo What is important is why is Hariri's son doing and saying the things he is? Syria is not the nation which savaged Lebanon several years back, and it is no longer seen as the 'threat'. Israel has an unrelenting enemy in the region. Itself. For some reason Israel is always surprised that it's actions do not produce the results imagined, and that others in the region respond with hostility. I understand fully the history in the region and how Israel's world view has evolved. But that does not change the fact that Israel has become it's own worst enemy. There is NO NATION in the region which seeks war with Israel. Even Hamas and Hisbollah for their own internal political purposes seek to keep things quiet. But Israel has a government which sees another war as it's political salvation even if every war since Ariel Sharon launched the First Lebanon War has been a failure. It is wrong.

Your post is confusing. What "Muslim terrorists blowing things" up are you talking about? There are no Palestinians from the West Bank attacking Israel. Hamas fires intermittent rockets into Israel, but the Gazans, under the blockade, are the victims of the worst violation of human rights taking place in the world today. Why should they not resist? Historically oppressed people have fought their oppressors. And Israel is just another oppressor state. If you are referring to Al Qaeda, it does not attack Israel, that's why Israel is not involved in the war against international terrorism with the US and its allies. Moslem countries do not host them. The most effective US allies against radical Islamic terrorists are Arab, and other Muslim countries. For example, in a recent 4-day period, the Saudis killed 15 Al Qaeda members. They have over 200 in prison. How many Al Qaeda members has Israel killed and imprisoned?

Arabs (Pals) took the conflict into the heart of Germany. You are not innocent of blowing people up and terrorism in other countries.

has the same type of Apocalyptic prophecy. Have you familiarized yourself with it yet?

and identity yet to be discovered. For all we know it could have been Pals against Pals. It could be Iran just causing chaos for everyone else.

Pakistan should have eliminated the terrorists, before they attacked Pune in India and targeted Indian civilians.

Never mind the fact that Hamas believes it was the work of other enemies of Mahmoud.

Israel cannot go around killing people and not expect a response. It is not rocket science you cannot act with impunity, and then cry victim when it happens to you.

there is no other acceptable response. egypt who does not even attempt to honor its peace treaty with israel should be the last to talk about any actions on israel's part.

American Citizen, please define the "Mideast Peace" about which you write.

Don't harbor terrorist and none will be removed from your countries ...............

Is it necessary to have a peace agreement to keep Israel from killing people on your soil? Does the US have a peace agreement with Israel? For Israel's sake I hope so. How many countries don't have peace agreements with Israel?

"If our neighbors would have just left us alone since 1948 thousands of lives on both sides would of been saved" Thats goes both ways if the Zionsit had of left the Palestinin Arabs alone instead of driving them from their lands there would be peace now. P.S.They have women soldiers in Israel you know

The implication of what they said is that it is ok for them to host terrorists who are waging war on Israel. Why shouldn't Israel fight back? Or, should we just sit back and wait for the terror to engulf us? In any case, this is just speculation and very tedious. The arabs have a long history of political assassinations (cf arab source of word assassin) so why does Israel get the blame all the time?

Kill a million, it is statistics....

ms . Nor does the London Times have any evidence backing its instigating claims fabrications . Let Egypt and terror PLO-PA prove with hard irrefutable evidence during open court in their respective court of law the credibility of their instigating claims fabrications . Then the world will see if these arab-moslem courts of law are reliable , credible institutions operating by int'l standards and independent of their arabs dictators dictates. As for the London Times , it has unfortunatly been proven that one of its appeal court has some judges that are dhimmis shamefully exploiting the human righst discourse to promote Sharia Law and political islam interests .

Attacks the ME's sole practisioner of democracy. Villifies Netanyahu for fulfilling his mandate to protect Israel's citizens against threats, terror, violence, sponsored by oppressive dictatorships, plaguing all regions of the world, and so reported on a daily basis. Silly

Plan and turned it into a land grab fest where slaughter and war crimes and racist mentality are the tools to achieve this ugly goal. Perhaps you should start a movement to re name it .

without seeming foolish. My post was in response to yours about COVERT OPERATIONS (which you called terrorism). You changed the subject and responded to WAR CONDITIONS, which is entirely different . But that is OK. Let's talk about Fallujah where American forces destroyed a city of half a million people to get rid of 300 terrorists, which also killed over 200,000 innocent people. American forces used daisy bombs, depleted uranium and cluster munitions. Now your sanctimonious admission that you are against both wars is BS. I have not seen you with posters near the White House saying "American Citizen" against the war, yet I see you on this talkback on a daily basis.

In your world does national self determination include the right to ignore laws and rules that apply to every other nation? Do you feel every nation has the right to send operatives into other nations to kill whomever it wishes? If not, why does Israel?

He had far more enemies in the Arab world than anyway else. He dealt in weapons and murder and mostly in the Arab world for a theological cause. Far more jihadis kill each other - fellow arabs and muslims, over religious passion each year. Hezbo turns it weapons on Lebanese for what ? brotherhood???? Leave Israel out of it.

The Defense and Foreign ministry including parliament members of security cabinet must warn the Israeli Justice Courts to not step beyond their authority to undermine our national interests and collective human rights security interests and order them to reject any petition related to disclosure of our security services work . The principle of control regulating our security services work and procedures internally and vis a vis foreign states intelligent services must not be breached , must be safeguarded . We don't need a blue ID Goldstone int'l sharia law criteria to step beyond its authority and rule on such a matter , Nor do we need a blue ID bureaucrat to copy U.K. Lord Neuberger , Master of The Rolls that shamefully abuse the human rights discourse in order to step beyond the Court authority and rule on matter of principle of control vs political disclosure policy .

polluted definition which you mindless posters use all the time. You don't even know what it is!! Will it help you if I told you it's national self determination? I left out JEWISH before the word NATIONAL, because I know that it may be too much for you to absorb/accept.

It seems that Israel is killing the bad guys. It is hard to imagine this success without the direct help of other Arab States who oppose Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, and Hamas. Dubai is a perfect case,

The Muslim kids at the colleges aren't that much into engineering anymore. They're studying to become lawyers. They're following in our footsteps. We can't label all Muslims as terrorists. Those guys that are fighting NATO aren't lawyers. They're backwards yahoos from the jungles. We need to start treating Muslims who are decent people as equal to us but the Muslims need to recognize that American Jews are not going to abandon the 6 Million Jews that live in Israel or the Memory of the Shoah.

Being an atheist and a realist I do not believe that any holy book from any religion can be used to justify or otherwise the woeful conflicts that pertain throughtout the world. The Middle East and in particular the Israel/Palestine conflict, which is the subject here, must be resolved by the law of today not by 'Holy' words open to and much abused in interpretation. If you believe in being risen again then good luck to you. This is however not about individuals per se. It is about the abuse of power using a foundation based on fiction to justify the unjustifiable.

We have Buenos Aires, Mumbai, and Hizbollah's already-issued threats to target Israelis worldwide. What's good for the goose is indeed good for the gander. Hopefully, your sanctimony will backfire on you.

which is invented and used by the American army on a daily basis. Depleted uranium is just that. You get more radiation from posting on your computer than handling depleted uranium for 5 years. Is this the new battle cry? Zionism? Depleted uranium? without anyone knowing what either is? As Einstein said: there are only two things that are infinite, the universe and man's stupidity and he was not so certain about the universe.

could not respond to my post intelligently and foolishly. The subject matter was assasination. Your response changed the subject to war conditions. That is OK and I will respond directly to this change. So my direct response to cluster bombs and depleted uranium is this: American forces killed over 200,000 civilians when they attacked Fallujah in Iraq. They used cluster bombs, depleted uranium and daisy bombs. A city of half a million was completely destroyed in order to get rid of an estimated 300 terrorists. Not to mention cluster bombs and daisy bombs in Afghanistan.

If there's no law in some countries, the mossad can get them anyway.

Maybe Israel should use drones instead of cluster bombs and depleted uranium in Gaza and Lebanon the next time. That might cut down on the war crimes. And for the record, I am against both of our current wars and changing our Mid East policy, especially with regards to Israel and Palestine, is our best hope for peace and ending both wars.

anti-Zionist=Jewish posters.

tHERE IS NO PROOF iSRAEL DID IT. dO YOU RECALL HOW iSRAEL BROUGHT BACK EICKCKMAN TO BE TRIED FOR THE KILLING FIELDS. iSRAEL WAS A SMALL NATION JUST STARTING. thE WORLD APPLOUDED NOW iSRAEL HAS SHOWN HOW STRONG SHE CAN BE/ nOW LETS BLAME HER FOR ALL THE PROBLEMS

when the muslims stop their incitment against Israel, there wont be the need to knock them off

Given the US/British policy of extra-judicial executions in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, and Yemen, it seems a bit like self-righteous indignation where it is ok for the Anglos to go after their sworn enemies wherever they are but the Jews must accept attacks. OH WAIT..that is the Brit policy. My bad!

Precision, covert strikes against military and terrorist targets that do hot harm civilians are not "terrorism", they are the exact opposite of terrorism. Perhaps you are not a native English speaker, and don't understand the dictionary definition of the word. Are you then also defining as terrorism US drone missile strikes on Taliban and Al-Qaida targets inside Pakistan, from 20,000 feet up and 10,000 miles from US shores? And if not, why not? The US has a perfect, legal justification for defending itself in this way. The real problem you're having is that you don't believe Jews have a right to defend themselves in ANY way, for any reason. Israel has the same right as the US (who, after silencing bigoted State Dept. critics of Israeli precision anti-Hamas drone strikes on Gaza, has now adopted Israeli tactics and purchased Israeli-made equipment to fight terrorism this way itself, in Pak and Afgan).

It was offered to Egypt during the 77 agreement and Jordan much later, "thanks, but no thanks" was the answer. Gaza & the whole of WB, including East Jerusalem were in Arab hands pre-1967; did they declare a State of Palestine?

It was offered to Egypt during the 77 agreement and Jordan much later, "thanks, but no thanks" was the answer. Gaza & the whole of WB, including East Jerusalem were in Arab hands pre-1967; did they declare a State of Palestine?

the arabs invented vendetta fool

was done by Israeli Intelligence, at least they did not kill innocent civilians, unlike the assassinations carried out by chicken shit Americans who use drones and kill hundreds of innocent civilians on a daily basis when they target a terrorists. Not to mention that most of the time the terrosits are not there and they just plainly murder innocent people because "they thought a terrorist was present". This is the American way and it's not questioned by the likes of American Citizen.

you are a terrorist at least in thought...even if an arm chair terrorist by anyones standards except zionism which shares your lack of self critism...what this is 'one way Brnd' is expoerting terrorism and its classical zionism

Chances are in five years, some guys will claim they know this and that and go to some outlet and ask for a lot of money or some movie rights and then they will spill the beans. They won't necessarily even be Jews or Israelis. They might be some Russians, some Iranians, or even some Egyptians. Do you know that these days even Mexicans who live in the USA don't want to travel down to Northern Mexico anymore because of all the drug violence and kidnappings? I hear about it all the time. It's a dangerous World and you can't go around blaming every single bad thing that happens on Muslims, Jews, or Arabs.

Thats the problem. The Arab leaders and press are inflaming the middle east. Israel is forced to do more to protect Israel and Jews. Arab world needs to stop inciting! This is the key to peace in the middle east.

That is the price the Arab nations have to pay for their unbridled hatered and aggression.

After Araft slaughtered thousands of innocents in airports across Europe the palestinians say Israel is exporting the conflict. If the arabs weren't for real it would be laughable but they mean it. The guys who invented terrorism and live with hamas and PA killing each other on a daily basis are now whinning about Israel again. This is just more incitement as the arabs are also saying that only Israel could be killing these terrorists for who criminal activity was a way of life. hey, maybe they cut a bad deal. Maybe they should just call the killing part of the struggle for liberation. Another joke. Anyway, the palestinians need to wake up and realize that nothing is going to fundamentally change until they decide to stop the incitemnt and really seek peace. Until then everyone anywhere is fair game .. and that includes, mesal, nastrallah and zahar. getting nervous boys?

#11 Jaymac is most likely a fanatical Christian-Zionist. In America, these people are Israel's biggest supporters in Christendom because to them, Israel is nothing more than a landing strip for Jesus' Second Coming and Armageddon. Google "Christian-Zionists" to find out how their apocalyptic prophecy ends......

Those who let terrorists loose to murder Israels from their territory should not complain about Israeli self-defence measures.

I was going to ask where is our Public relations with the Times of London: why only the Egyptians complain there. But reading up to the end of the article I found: "All the security services make, thank God, great efforts to safeguard the security of the state of Israel," Indeed, we can defend from the Arab armies but not from from those ministers of ours... for that, we need God's help... if it's not too late...

wherby you killed over a million and a half innocent civilians and the assassinations (targeted killing You call it) by drones in Pakistan, Somalia, Ethiopia, Kenya, Congo, Yemen, and incursions into Syria from Iraq is all in the name of human rights. By your definition, the US is the biggest terrorist organization in the Universe.

The cowardice of the Egyptians is obvious, Israel's so called covert war is Egypts luck.They take out Egypts enemies and Egypt complains. Egypt,your tourism industry is in good shape,thanks to Israel.

why doesn't this blooody article say anything about the crimes agaisnt israeli civilians and soldiers commited by the assasination victims?

Perhaps you are right. But the Old Testament has no place for Heaven. When we die it is the end until G-d raises us up. What does the Koran say about Death Alan? Is it also a Work of Fiction because if it is, Muslems will have more to lose than Jews.

Revelation 3:9 - Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie--behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and learn that I have loved you.

Israel is practicing a campaign of state terrorism. Terrorism is how Israel was founded and it backfired ever since. That's why Israel, not Iran nor Hamas nor Hizbullah, is the greatest threat to ME peace.

Its good to hear that these countries don't want to be battlegrounds between the IDF and the various palestinian arab terrorist groups. I don't blame them one bit. The best way to insure that this doesn't happen is to keep terrorists operations off your soil, guys! Pakistan is finally getting this message in spades the form of US drone missile strikes, and Dubai should realize that they will never see any Mossad hit teams (not that the Mossad has ever been in Dubai!) if they stop issuing visas to Hamas chieftains, arms smugglers and fund raisers, and boot them out if they sneak in. Ditto Hezbollah operatives. "Neutrality" works both ways, guys!

"So he will do what ever it takes to get a war started." More Mark Lincoln B.S. He will post anything on any subject just to keep up his daily quota of posts. Is there any subject that you are not an expert and do not have an opinion. This is how you validate your poor mean existence. This is your fifteen minutes of fame. Hundreds of posts to an Israeli newspaper. Get a life already. And in answer to your latest post: So you really think that we enjoy going to war. Our soldiers are our Husbands, Fathers and Brothers. We go to war to defend our children, wifes and sisters. If our neighbors would have just left us alone since 1948 thousands of lives on both sides would of been saved. We hate war. We mourn our dead. Mark Lincoln you sanctimonius prick sitting in Texas. What do you know or care about us.

The word of the bible needs to be taken with a large pinch of salt. I wouldn't put my trust and expectations in what is essentially a work of fiction.

Let't see. Dubai has expressed concern, the PA as well, and now Egypt. Must be a muslim conspiracy. Right stupids. I would recommend extreme caution. Provoke enough and you will get a reaction. And that may be in the form of targeting jew civilians abroad. Cool it.

Give the Gaza strip to Egypt and the West Bank to Jordan, and let them take care of their brethren.

liquidate the jews. It does not mean hoping that the jew kilers change their ways. Potential jew kilers should be liquidated wherever they are as they are budding hitler's.

I think it will be a mistake from the side of Israel to take war out of its territories ie into other countries. This will not augur well for the israelites. The arab population and their sympathisers are far outweight the Israil's.

When is enough, enough? Somebody has to give or take. Win this war Israel,while the winning is still reasonably possible. Stomp the ants of the Hamas regime for good this time and let the chips fall where they may. Each side has cried wolf too many times for the rest of the working world to come running anymore. Israel is the smarter, better armed, skilled country with a problem within it's capabilities to solve. When you move to a hostile neighborhood, it is impossible to withstand all the assaults and affronts while allowing the hostile people to go about their merry business. The Mossad has a job, give them what they need, pay them well, give them things to do that they are very good at, and watch the hostiles cringe every time you are successful. No more crying wolf, nobody is coming. Shalom

The background and personal life of this Hamas leader is an example of the seedy underworld of espionage. It is easy and politically correct to blame it on Mossad , but there are several other groups of people that can be blamed for his death....including al qaeda. Just watch for further news on this group in Gaza.

Read the Bible. There will be no peace until the Prince of peace comes. Then all the enemies of Israel will be vanquished.

Israel's enemies in the region and its critics on this site simply expect Israel to accept whatever is done to it, including but not limited to suicide bombings, other terror attacks, and "amateur" rockets, without the right to retaliate. Where may Israel retaliate in response to, for example, rocket? At Gaza from which they're launched? Oh, I forgot, retaliation there amounts to War Crimes, Crimes Against Humanity, and fodder for bored Left-wingers at various Universities.

Netanyahu wants a war and Israelis are not eager. So he will do what ever it takes to get a war started.

"top terror militants"?

he's a national treasure..hehe..seriously, he's apparently doing a fine job...I always say its good to be proactive! to ANYONE that thinks that peace is coming, I have a wonderful bridge in brooklyn to sell you. the arab muslims are the scourge of our times...alas, we must fight, and yes, eventually that will include even you white christian jew haters ..yes, you too will have to fight...at least you'll be happier knowing that the jews got it first before you...right? isn't that how you think? hahahahaha...I love you guys...so twisted...and what was it for? your parents? friends? you never had a mind of your own to question it? 'it' being your flawed, deeply flawed anti semitism..old anti semitism was because you were taught the jews killed jesus the jew, modern day anti semitism is just jealousy..of jews who are smart, do well, work hard, contribute positively.

This occured last time Netanyahu was Prime Minister. In fact an attempt to kill Meshal in Jordan failed spectacularly and nearly caused the then King of Jordan to tear up it's peace agreement with Israel. Hopefully, this will seriously backfire on Israel who surely cannot complain if Israelis involved with the IDF or the government are in turn targetted by country's objecting to Israeli's murdering people on their land. Afterall what is good for the Goose is good for the gander.

No military strikes, no "collective punishment," no blockade, no occupation, and now no covert operations. But Israel certainly has the right to defend itself. That's a relief. I'm glad they understand.

Maybe if the Muslim terrorists stop blowing things up Israel would not feel the need to liquidate them. The complaints of the terrorists are akin to a son, after killing his parents, begging a judge for leniency because he is an orphan. Bottom line: as soon as the terrorists decide they want to live instead of dying, things will get better. Until then, the Muslim countries which host these killers should be prepared to become 'killing fields.' If they don't like it, then expel the Muslim terrorists back to their countries of origin.

Without a scrap of proof that would hold up in court. The excuse and universal accusation: "The Jews did it!" Even if it were true, the countries mentioned are in a self-declared state of war with Israel. Israel never declared war on them... so what's their problem?

Syria and Lebanon are engaged in a terror campaign against Israel, so they can hardly complain. Dubai has no peace agreement with Israel so they can't really complain either.

when we know these terrorist are carefully watched by all their hosting countrys and still are like a planters wart to most.

Strategically, one of the reasons they are there to stir up trouble. Calm in the mid east is trouble for the whole entire world.