UN: Israel uncooperative in Gaza flotilla probe
Official says fact-finding mission is speaking with witnesses and government officials in Turkey and Jordan, but Israel hasn't granted the team an invitation.
By The Associated Press Tags: Israel news Gaza flotilla UNA United Nations official says Israel isn't cooperating with the UN Human Rights Council's probe of May's deadly raid on a Gaza-bound aid flotilla.
Juan Carlos Monge, who is assigned to accompany the fact-finding mission, says
it is speaking with witnesses and government officials in Turkey and Jordan,
but Israel hasn't granted the team an invitation.
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IDF soldiers aboard the Mavi Marmara |
| Photo by: Motti Milrod |
Israel's UN mission said Tuesday it wasn't commenting on the investigation.
Israeli commandos killed nine pro-Palestinian activists trying to break a maritime blockade of Gaza. Israel says the soldiers acted in self defense.
A report will be presented to the council September 27.
Another UN panel under New Zealand's ex-Prime Minister Geoffrey Palmer and Colombia's ex-President Alvaro Uribe is also examining the incident.
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After all - if they cooperate - the truth will come out and Israel will loose!
I noticed in a bay once a shield unit that could be raised and lowered it was clear and marked so it didnt ruin the beauty of the bay but it did stop attacks from pirates and infiltrators. It was a staggered shield that could lower they put oxygen units on them to promote sea life too for private beach. It like a lock system but they stopped an invasion one night from their beach. They forced dockings on a pier long dock to monitor instead of straight up land based invasion. They all around that island and sail boats and fishing could still be done. The rocks removed except for pilons but it literally stopped if there problem they raised up and down. Like a lock system unit. It helped divert flooding one time. When tidal surge. Also groom Gabi and the other five for upper level leadership potential. Now retiring into new life. Give one year or two sabatocal training or relaxation with non noticed education in everyday life of intelligence but relaxed atmosphere and non stressed point. Then back in public eye. Nice Prime Minister type persona for future. Karoon (bogie) 2nd entry
I noticed in a bay once a shield unit that could be raised and lowered it was clear and marked so it didnt ruin the beauty of the bay but it did stop attacks from pirates and infiltrators. It was a staggered shield that could lower they put oxygen units on them to promote sea life too for private beach. It like a lock system but they stopped an invasion one night from their beach. They forced dockings on a pier long dock to monitor instead of straight up land based invasion. They all around that island and sail boats and fishing could still be done. The rocks removed except for pilons but it literally stopped if there problem they raised up and down. Like a lock system unit. It helped divert flooding one time. When tidal surge. Also groom Gabi and the other five for upper level leadership potential. Now retiring into new life. Give one year or two sabatocal training or relaxation with non noticed education in everyday life of intelligence but relaxed atmosphere and non stressed point. Then back in public eye. Nice Prime Minister type persona for future. Karoon (bogie) 2nd entry
Israel has several plans when faced with accusations of war crimes/oppression/Land theft/Murder/ethnic cleansing and a string of other unmentionable acts of debauchery. 1, Claim it is a gang of anti semites out to get Israel at any cost. 2, Attack the messenger--ala Goldstone--claim he is a self hating Jew . 3, Claim the body running the investigation is over loaded with Arabs and or Goyim.Of course this is never a problem if that same body is made up of 100% Israeli supporters. 4,Claim the investigating has already made it,s mind up so dont show up.That policy does not work too well in real life--but since when does Israel live in the real world. It resides in a world of eternal denial and self delusion. It cannot last---it will not last. It should not last.
.... Let them fight in Washington. What goes on there is a scandal! Besides, the UNCHR has already taken a position - minutes after the attack on the flotilla...blaming Israel. That's enough from them. Israel will submit to the Secretary of the United Nations and that's it.
I'm sure that African Americans would not cooperate with KKK investigation. either.
I love how Israelis like yourself hate the UN but then use it to justfiy how Iran is a pariah and in breach of so many sanctions etc...
the fact that iran is a pariah seems clear. the breach of sanctions is decidedly secondary. the un has and continues to be useless with respect to ME peace.
.. if US taxpayers donations stop flowing to the notorious charity case.
Hitler also had a nice score of 6000000:0 should we applaud him ... Go dig a hole and bury yourself moron
You should check your racism; you should go to jail for advocating the killing of innocent people who not long ago were your best friends in the middle east. The difference between you and a suicide bomber is that your people don't need to blow themselves up to kill innocents.
that's just the most problematic part of what you say, DC.
ISral is not cooperating with the UNHRC only. This groupo from teh Un is a hotbed of radical Islam jew haters whio nebver miss an opportunity to slag ISrael. ISral is cooperating with teh UN committee established by Ban Ki Moon or whatever his name is. Frankly there is npo need to have a UNHRC committee look into this as they can never produce a unbiased report. Although it could be a first.
Try it some time---then we can decide
Trsting yourself has gooten you----well------in the quagmire with no way out. Well---except one = make peace with your neighbour---give up your arrant ways and learn how to assimilate in your "NEW WORLD".
If iran doesnt co-operate its slammed with sanctions..and if isreal doesnt co-operate .....???
Iran signed the NPT. For 8 years, while enjoying the benefits of being a signatory, Iran was in breach of the NPT (until it was caught breaching the treaty). Israel did not sign the NPT. The uninformed refer to that as, "hypocrisy."
Can you explain how Iran breached the NPT? It's very easy to make accusations without any backing. And who said not signing the NPT gives Israel a free right to stock pile nuclear war heads? If anyone who is uninformed here "it's you" pr maybe just an "hypocrite"
Israel did not sign the NPT, Iran did.
It's been in the press for YEARS. Why do you think there are sanctions in place? You just proved that YOU are uninformed. Thanks for jumping in an proving to everyone that you don't know squat about it, but will open your yap anyway.
http://tinyurl.com/29e3qrl Until then, why talk to them?
It is everyone else's fault, not Israel's.
The afraid are viewed as guilty. Of course Israel won't cooperate with the U.N. The U.N. is dominated by viscous, anti-democractic, backward, Islamic states whose goal is to eliminate Israel. They focus on Israel, who seeks to defend herself, rather than violent and oppressive states whose conduct is blatantly egregious. Indeed, those states sit on Committees such as the Human Rights Committee. It makes as much sense for Israel to cooperate with the U.N. as does for the Saudi's to join the World Association of Athiests.
If you have nothing positive to contribute then why bother.
The UN's accusation of non-cooperation is misleading, as Israel is in fact cooperating with the other investigation mentioned, which is, I think, under the direction of the Secretary-General's office. It's not hard to understand why Israel wouldn't cooperate with a body that's even more biased against it than the General Assembly, and I think it's somewhat remiss not to mention the cooperation it is providing. Are our standards so low, you ask, that we're happy with Israel half-cooperating with the UN instead of the full cooperation that we presumably expect from others? Perhaps, though I'd say that the UN's history of blatant anti-Israeli bias nearly from the first day has something to do with that.
Israel violates over 100 UN resolutions, and UN does nothing about it. Israel acts as rowdy state attacking sovereign nations at will, and the UN warns the victim instead of Israel. UN is just a puppet of Israel and its ally U.S and you say UN is anti-Israel?
the very fact that israel violates more than 100 un resolutions is prrof to the anti israel bias. even if every accusation ever made against israel were true, it still doesn't add up that israel has the most amount of country specific un resolutions , since countries in which actions with a higher death toll than even the highest unbased estimate of the gaza offensive (say, 2,000 or more) are taking place (kenya, sudan, north korea, syria , iraq, afghanistan, pakistan, cambodia, ugana, somalia, china) have a far fewer amount (if any0) country specific un resolutions. also, amit is entirely correct that there is a seperte mission with the same goals approved by the general assembly with which israel is cooperating fully. the redundant mission from the unhrc is not being cooperated with due to the unhrc's known anti-israel bias; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GA_resolutions_2006.JPG
Israeli officials make many criticisms the UN and of other nations, and their leaders. In spite of this, not one of them has ever complained that Israel is attacking their legitimacy. This is true even when Israels intent is to directly attack their legitimacy, as we often see in the case of Israels complaints against the UNHRC. The reason that we never hear people complaining about Israel attacking their legitimacy is because their legitimacy is not dependent upon Israeli opinion. In Israel, it is quite the opposite situation. When the UN or other nations criticize Israel, it is in vogue in Israel to claim that they are attacking Israels "legitimacy". One can only wonder why anoyone in Israel would think it to their benefit to make such a claim. Is Israels legitimacy so shakey that it cannot withstand criticism? This is the conclusion that people come away with. Israelis prefer always to play the part of the victim and would liken criticism of their state to vicitimizing Jews. That concept has never caught on outside of Israel, and, in fact, has the opposite effect of what Israelis would wish. If Israelis were smart, they would lose the "delegitimize Israel" claims altogether.
When Jordans destroyed 58 synagogues in Jerusalem, when they desecrated Jewish cemeteries? UN went silent. Out of 690 resulutions made by UN council by 1990 429 went against Israel. Guess who is the latest member of UN Women Rights Council? If you say Iran you'd be right.
Israel was subject to the Geneva conventions, too. Silly WikiMiki.
Israels refusal to cooperate with any UN investigation is expected and taken for granted, even after Israel agrees to cooperate. Some Israelis say that these investigations "delegitimize" Israel. If exposing the facts causes "deligitimization", then Israels legitimacy must not have been on firm ground to begin with. In the real world, outside Israel, these refusals to cooperate with UN investiations are the worst outcome for Israels reputation. As with gangsters and other shady characters, refusal to cooperate implies something to hide and guilt is then assumed. The court of public opinion is not restricted to the same legalities as a court of law. If Israel acts guilty, people assume Israel to be guilty.
why this principle is not applied to both sides of equations, sides you like and you do not? Why "court of public opinions" is not enough to stop contruction of NYC mosque? Israel agrees to cooperate on ceratin conditions. When UN backed up from these conditions so was Israel. Anyway, the real world already knows the results of this investigation, (Human Rights Council with Saudis, Iran and Sudan! What a joke!) even before it started and that report is a complete waste of time no matter which side you are on.
that this ground zero 'mosque' is not in fact a mosque... but a islamic cultural centre with sport facilities and a restaurant... and that it is not in fact AT ground zero, but a 5 min, 2 block walk away...
that this ground zero 'mosque' is not in fact a mosque?... but a islamic cultural centre with sport facilities and a restaurant... and that it is not in fact AT ground zero, but a 5 min, 2 block walk away...
A refusal to not cooperate with yuor enemy is a choice freely made Miss Durson. There may be nothing to hide, and still refuse to cooperate. It does not mean wrong doing is being hidden.. For too many years now various groups and states have been making accusations against ISrael efven though they know these accusations dont hold any merit. The public sees this veritable slew of regular accusations and tend to believe them . This is called group think. They dont question because the questions are answered in articles however wrong tjhose articvles are. This delegitimizes ISrael. Its kind of like eveyone on this talkback putting for that natalie Durson is a jew baiter, a bigot etc. Eventually all talkbackers would believe this thus delegitimizing any articles sent in by her. Of course no one would do that to natalie would they>???
why is the court of opinion not enough to stop the muslim center near the WTC? Because of a little something unknown to Israel: a constitution guaranteeing certain rights, such as freedom of religion and separation of church and state. But your question was nonsensical. Natalie said that Israel's refusal to cooperate would negatively affect the perception of Israel in the court of public opinion. What on earth does the proposed islamic center have to do with it? The rest of your post was similarly incoherent babbling
celebrating another conquest and victory of Islam.Just the fact that Muslims insist to have this monument of enslavement so close to the place where their brothers died on mission proves importance of their choice. And also their insensitivity to the calls of subdued booties to move mosque farther.
celebrating another conquest and victory of Islam.Just the fact that Muslims insist to have this monument of enslavement so close to the place where their brothers died on mission proves importance of their choice. And also their insensitivity to the calls of subdued booties to move mosque farther.
celebrating another conquest and victory of Islam.Just the fact that Muslims insist to have this monument of enslavement so close to the place where their brothers died on mission proves importance of their choice. And also their insensitivity to the calls of subdued booties to move mosque farther.
Doesn't matter what it is, a mosque, cutural center or a flower shop. over 70% of Americans are against it, someone who preach tolerance should take in into consideration, even while being completely legal by the books of law.
No, I wouldn't stoop to your level of personal insinuations and name calling, only those with lack of other arguments resort to it.
Any reasonable person can understand that an enquiry by the UN Human Rights Council is bound to be very strongly biassed against Israel. Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Libya and Iran are in their good books of course.
because the UN probe will be biased, again. We know it, that's the effect of the ultra-majority An investigation has already been done by the IDF and, as if more was needed, Israel. But as we are the model of the Nations, perfection is required by all and Israel ends up suspect when it is asked to cooperate with the non-neutral elements.
Does Isreal truly believe it can continue flouting international law---or maiking it up as it goes along and then refusing to answer it,s accusers. A genuinely innocent party would be knocking down the doors to prove it,s innocence not acting in a manner that indicares unquestionable guilt. Sort of like a child skipping school because he/she is afraid to face the headmaster. How very very immature.
They did a program about the Mavi Mamara in which the "journalist" was embedded with the Israeli navy. They are absolutely not a reliable source for any Israel related news
No matter how much evidence Israel would give to prove their innocence it wouldn't be considered in the report. Isn't it clear from the previous reports of biazed bodies? A child is skipping school because the headmaster is a father of major bully who terrorize this child.
No-one should show up at a courtroom where the judge and jury have already made up their minds, despite the evidence (watch the BBC!). I applaud Israel for having the guts to refuse to attend a kangaroo hearing. We expect this of leaders such as Ghandi, Mandela and others (who did not recognise the legitimacy of those who were clearly not impartial). Justice must be blind. Unfortunately the HRC IS blind, but only to the truth!
wow. poke your head out of that hilltop settlement once in a while. Judge Goldstone is a respected Jew and Zionist. His report was most emphatically not biased against Israel. Israeli say-so doesn't make it true.
fewer and fewer people are buying that "they are all against us" nonsense. And to compare the Israeli occupation and its propoganda machine to gandhi and mandela is little short of disgusting. Please update your narrative from 1944 to the present
BBC is on zionist pay-roll. Infact, almost the entire british and american media are.
BBC is on zionist pay-roll. Infact, almost the entire british and american media are.
Comparing great leaders like Mahatma Gandhi and Nelson Mandela (who advocated non-violence) with Israeli leaders who have blood of innocents on their hands is a shame on humanity.
Dajoha, can't you see this is Israel chance to put there side of what happen on the Mavi Mararma. Running away won't help Israel. Moral cowards hide from the truth. Nine Unarmed Humanitarian Workers going to help fellow human beings where Murdered on the high seas. No rockets or arms that could cause harm to Israel where found on the flotilla. This would never have happen if Israel showed some humanity themselves to the people of Gaza. I respect Israel right to exist and live in safety but they must respect the Palestinains right to exist and safety as well. Remove the Blockcade and put the security zone in Israel so the Palestinains can go to there farms.
Dajoha, can't you see this is Israel chance to put there side of what happen on the Mavi Mararma. Running away won't help Israel. Moral cowards hide from the truth. Nine Unarmed Humanitarian Workers going to help fellow human beings where Murdered on the high seas. No rockets or arms that could cause harm to Israel where found on the flotilla. This would never have happen if Israel showed some humanity themselves to the people of Gaza. I respect Israel right to exist and live in safety but they must respect the Palestinains right to exist and safety as well. Remove the Blockcade and put the security zone in Israel so the Palestinains can go to there farms.
I concur
As for Judge Goldstone, "respected Jew and Zionist", was it the one who was prohibited on own grandchild bar mitzva because of this report? Please google it out yourself if you do not know what bar mitzva is.
The BBC has lost it's credibility after it's farce of a documentary re the Marmara massacre. They have had tens of thousands of complaints and could be in trouble for libel, slander and producing proven false IDF tapes as evidence.
No one believes Israel anymore---haven,t for a long time.
The headline is misleading. Israel is not cooperating with the investigation of the absurdly mis-titled "Human Rights Council" which is an organization whose sole purpose is to single out Israel. Only at the end of the article does it bother to mention that they are cooperating with the real UN investigation under former NZ PM Geoffrey Palmer. But of course a headline like "UN: Israel refusing to cooperate" or whatever is way too good an opportunity for the AP (and Haaretz)
Geoffrey Palmer is a known friend of Israel; Uribe is known for his corruption and abuse of human rights in Colombia, and past persecution of humanitarian organisations there. No doubt this was the reason Israel agreed to have them head the panel - and the best that the 'powers that be' at the UN could expect in the way of Israeli co-operation.
Surah 6 (“Al-An’am”) of the Quran declares that “everyone will attain a rank according their deeds.” (6:132) Whether or not our heroes were aware of this teaching -- they were, after all, thoroughly secularized products of the first Atatürk generation -- cannot be known. Today's interactive toolbox Video Photo Audio Send to print Send to my friend Post your comments Read comments What can be known, though, is that when matters of life or death transpired around them -- in Vichy France, in occupied Paris and on the island of Rhodes -- diplomats İsmail Necdet Kent, Behic Erkin and Selahattin Ülkümen knew exactly what they had to do -- and they did it unhesitatingly and at great personal risk. When the moment -- the opportunity -- to act nobly came, they did so, thereby ensuring their “rank” forever. Their ethical compasses were perfectly calibrated. The lodestar guiding them was found in Article 88 of the 1923 Constitution, which stated unequivocally and unambiguously, “The name Turk, as a political term, shall be understood to include all citizens of the Turkish Republic, without distinction of, or reference to, race or religion” -- 27 words these heroes cited again and again to Nazi murderers and a short sentence that would save thousands of lives. Although there had been a Jewish presence in Asia Minor for millennia, Jews only became a sizable minority with the rise of the Ottoman Empire. Immediately after taking the city, Sultan Mehmed II appointed a chief rabbi -- and gave him an honored place at the divan. Describing Europe as “the great torture chamber,” in 1454 the chief rabbi of Edirne urged Europe’s Jews to come to the Ottoman Empire: “Is it not better for you to live under Muslims than under Christians?” The reign of Mehmed’s son, Beyazid II coincided with the expulsion of the Jews from Spain -- an event which Beyazid found fortuitous: “Ye call Ferdinand a wise king who makes his land poor and ours rich,” the sultan wrote in his invitation to Sephardic Jews. Not only did Beyazid welcome the outcasts, he went so far as to send Adm. Kemal Reis’s flotilla to carry them from Spain to safety. By the end of the 16th century there were 30,000 Jews in İstanbul, worshipping at any of 44 synagogues. Over the centuries, as Europe oppressed and expelled its Jewish citizens, the fortunate ones who had found refuge in Turkey survived, prosperous and unmolested, so that by the beginning of World War II there were 500,000 Jews living in the former Ottoman Empire. The Turkish neutrality proclaimed at the outset of World War II protected them, but the Turks of Jewish descent who had left their homeland were in jeopardy as nation after nation fell to Hitler. In 1935 the Nuremberg Laws stripped German Jews of their citizenship and erased their human and civil rights. As Nazi domination spread across the continent, all Europe’s Jews -- including those of the Turkish diaspora -- were at risk. With the inception of the Final Solution in 1942, that risk became mortal read the rst in history just type name Kent, Turkish embassador to France WW2
While all you wrote are facts from historical perspective, your editorializing part is a little bit off. 1. The reason the Spanish Sephardi were welcomed to the Ottoman Empire was not a simple humanitarian gesture. When Ottomans conquered western Anatolia, Izmir/Manisa and area and later Istanbul and advanced in the Thrace that area was inhabited predominantly by hostile Greeks. Bringing in the Spanish Jews who were suffering from the inquisition would create a grateful and therefore loyal community. Based on that it was a practical solution to an issue. 2. During WW II several Turkish diplomats did the right thing by taking great risks. Selahattin Ulkumen's wife died under German bombardment. But additionally they were also risking their careers since their actions were not approved by the Turkish government. While Turkey did accept some selected German Jews to migrate to Turkey (University professors who were the founding fathers of many Turkish University faculties) ordinary Jew was not given refuge. The stories of the two ships the Struma and the Parita tells it all. As a Sephardi Jew originally from Turkey I still thank Turkey for what they have done but I also believe that Turks should know the whole truth and not just the glorified narrative thought in Turkish schools.
Government knows that they screwed up and now they are trying to cover up. This government should resign.
then any evidence that Israel gives to the flotilla investigation must be treated as suspect and disregarded. You cannot accept evidence without being given the opportunity to cross examine those who are giving the evidence. Otherwise how do we know that the evidence hasn't been made up by a bloke in the office next door to Barak's?
they will co-operate with the real UN probe, not the Arab-dominated UNHRC one.
Little wonder Israel tried to control the media right from the off,we know Israel doctored the footage to suit its version of events rather than the truth ,know every joe that doesn't understand how Israel opperates quotes the propaganda vid :(
There are 2 investigations, the Human Rights Council is a known joke, sole purpose is to single out and critisize Israel and ignore Human Rights violations in other countries. Israel is conducting its own investigation and is cooperating with the official UN investigation led by Geoffrey Palmer
Your energy & compulsion to post on a liberal Israeli web site with unwavering diatribe & pseudo expert opinion makes for theatre of the absurd. Your opinion of the veracity of evidence parallels the essence of the HR council - anything to de-legitimize the State of Israel. In short you tilt, you thrust, you squander all for your fixation with Israel.
You are right a state whose actions was cited by those whoo strapped explosives to themselves and then blew themselves up on my capital's transport network, shouldn't garner my attention at all. Not withstanding that my government went to war on Israel's behalf in Iraq, and Israel is currently trying to get my government to invade Iran on their behalf.
Your GOVERNMENT??? so you are no longer British. Are you now American? Whoever ever called the nonentity Brits to invade anywhere? BTW, Those subway bombers did not say Israel was the cause of their bombing the subway AND Britian went to Iraq because big brother USA was there and you guys were probably hoping to get a little out of Iraq's oil windfall. Pity the UK army is populated by gutless guys which was why you started crying to mommy as soon as you got a little casualties. British my a....
I have not heard this version of Irag's war.. Wow, Bush went to Iraq solely to protect Israelis! Should we consider Obama as hard hearted antisemit for pulling out? Oy vey, learn new every day..
It's known to all that America and England went to war in Iraq for Israel's benefit and now Israel tries to get them to attack Iran - for their benefit again. And no-one got any Iraq oil. You show your ignorance by writing such a post.
Bush went to war in Iraq solely for Israel's sake and now Israel would like us to attack Iran...bad luck, Obama won't do it. Democrats aren't loonies like Bush's right wing crowd...
your post didn't actually SAY anything. your attempt to discredit chris "parallels" that of israel apologists' attempts to smear Judge Goldstone. Just call them biased anti-semites without any proof whatsoever. Utterly unconvincing, to say the least, to anyone not on the hard right. Don't believe me? Look at the polls showing decreasing support for Israel among Americans. If the pro-israel narrative is starting to unravel here, just think how clearly the rest of the world can see your shame.
you just trumpeted your ignorance to the world. people have been saying that the jewish lobby manipulated the USA into the Iraq war from the onset (setting aside whether that's true or not). And yes, right-wing loons in the USA and, apparently, most israelis think Obama is a hard hearted anti-semite. But i am glad to see you're learning something new each day. Perhaps some day you'll be a tiny bit informed
Algeria,Ngeria, Morocco, Egypt, Angola, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Gabon, Tunisia, Zambia Malaysia, China, Indonesia, Qatar,Sri Lanka , Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Bosnia and Herzegovina Every one of these countries have their own page on the amnesty international website. And they're not the full list of members. Would you be happy to have them judge your government?
Raw video footage from both IDF and "innocent protesters" is already out in teh public domain. One need only look at the evidence without any filters to see the truth. Some people dont like teh truth Chris, others embrace it. Which are you?
Uk went to war because they had to. Terror groups had started a fire in teh house of Uncle Sam. When your friends house is bhurning you help them pout it out before teh same flames spread to yours and destroy it. Probl;em today is the Uk is home to half a million or more Muslims and has Sharia law in 24 centres in teh UK. I think the Uk is doomed. it will be intresting to watch Chris boy on his knees with his ass in teh air praying five times a day to Allah and his pedophile prophet. Leave while you can Christopher becAuse iots getting harder to bail from the UK island prison
Your "government" went to war on their terms. You don't have a shred of evidence linking Israel to the British invasion of Iraq. Its a blatant and libel. But again Chris you are kingmaker of lies and propaganda. Your "governement" led by Blair was sucked into it by Pres. Bush in the pursuit of oil and riches in the name of democracy. Well now that their plans failed and failed miserable why not scapegoat the jews for this. Classic tactic Chris that you are too happy to use.
Josh, don't you know that many people come here just to see posts like yours where someone like you scream that Jews dominate the world... LOL Who's ignorance is trumped let the world decide. No, not Haaretz audience, at least majority of it.
Josh, don't you know that many people come here just to see posts like yours where someone like you scream that Jews dominate the world... LOL Who's ignorance is trumped let the world decide. No, not Haaretz audience, at least majority of it.
Josh, don't you know that many people come here just to see posts like yours where someone like you scream that Jews dominate the world... LOL Who's ignorance is trumped let the world decide. No, not Haaretz audience, at least majority of it.
kneeling down, like giving a BJ?
When Blair was giving evidence to the Iraq inquiry he got flustered - and admitted that Israel was pushing the US for war with Iraq.
did i say jews dominate the world? no, i didn't. I said the theory that jews manipulated the USA into war were there from the start. Mary, you've got that victim card ever present at the tips of your fingers
Blair never said anything remotely close to "Israel pushed to war with Iraq." And yes, I know what quote you're referring to. It has nothing to do with your claim, and I suspect there is a reason why you don't provide a reference.