Report: U.S. proposes Israel lease lands from Palestinians under future deal

Jerusalem is a shared city and for millions of people it's an Arab city and soon will be the capital of Palestine. life is short and let's be real and rational. The Israelis should take it easy and accept the Palestinians to exist in peace and freedom.

That Israel keeps yelling "It's Mine! Mine! All Mine!" has about as much credibility as Daffy Duck crying out the same words in Ali Babba Bunny.....

The state of Israel will never "lease" any part of Israel!

Why lease something when it's cheaper to steal it?

Haaretz will continue to sell out Israel to Netanyahu by censorship. Haaretz is 'liberal' which is to say it is cowardly and unwilling to act in it's own self-defense. There are sound reasons why the right wins and the left loses. It has little to do with how 'evil' the right is and everything about how cowardly liberals are.

forgot about the first and second worldwar? although i agree with you that landlease is postphoning the tough issue the geneva agreement should be recognized as a possibility that consensis is possible(without landlease)

Israel never stole any land! What international laws can prevent the state of Israel to defend its right to selfdefence!?

Israel was great for blocking USSR access to oil, and clearly the arab power block has been fractured. Who needs Israel now? Divide and conquer is the next game plan. Turn Israel into South Africa#2. Thats their plan.

Israel can OCCUPY territory under the guise of necessary self defence, sure. But int'l law insists that territory that is seized by war **is** under a belligerent occupation, and the occupying power does **not** own that territory. You simply can not "conquer", and you certainly can't evade that prohibitiion merely by shouting "But!.... But!.... They started it!!!!!"

The Jersusalem of biblical times was quite small incomparison to the borders of today's municipality.

which shows you the level of cowardice of US negotiators! Solution is simple: get Israel to withdraw instead of those absurd schemes that avoid the real issues. What I want to know is who thinks up those imbecile solutions? That is a diplomat? No

What about a lease option? Or a seller carry back note with zero payments and no interest. All due when Moschiach arrives. lol. Hilarious, very very funny.

The way Obama is handling the crisis on the border, Mexico will be able to walk away with not only Arizona and CA, but Texas as well! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39911585

it will always be that way at the border.

Kindly tell me when exactly E. Jerusalem fell under Palestinian sovereignty. In order to do that, of course, you must first show me documentation of the existence of a Palestinian state.

Really ks? There never was an Arab presence in Jerusalem? This fact seems to have escaped the notice of the world. Did you learn that there never were Arabs in Jerusalem from a little voice in your head, or was it a big booming one from the sky?

"Kindly tell me when exactly E. Jerusalem fell under Palestinian sovereignty." The Partition Plan did not allocate Jerusalem to either successor state. The status of Jerusalem is therefore "Israeli-occupied" until the UN sanctions a solution negotiated between the two parties. "In order to do that, of course, you must first show me documentation of the existence of a Palestinian state." Nope. All that is required is a recognition that a PLO-declared state of "Palestine" is one ot the "successor states" to the old Mandate for Palestine, at which point it inherits the assets (including territory) that was allocated to it by the Partition Plan. That's how "state succession" works, Anthony.

the world is making these documents right now ... and Israel is loosing it's grop on the process ... smell the bacon ! (ohh the irony)

...encouraged by the likes of Lieberman, and treated by Netanyahu like a hot potato that he obliquely bounces onto Obama from time to time... as for Obama, he has half-a-dozen think-tanks working on the problem, like the one that has now suggested the leasing idea...Obama is a good gullible tireless friend where Israel is concerned... but he is not correctly nor adequately valued by Israel...

Please don't blame President Obama....yet. He's up against media, the industrial/military complex, the Congress, AIPAC, ADL, Wall Street, the Pentagram..... It's occupied territory. Give him more time, two years isn't enough to correct the crap that has been going on. The only thing we Americans will respond to is another 9/11. That got our attention. It occured because of our profoundly flawed foreign policies. The next war may be fought in NY and Tel Aviv. Salaam/Shalom

and Beverly Hills and Chicago. They own vast amounts of real estate in this country and it has never been a problem. I don't see anything terrible about the idea of Israel leasing some territories from Palestinians. In fact it might be a way to keep populations in their homes and resolve at least part of the problem. I see where Obama is goig with this and have no problem thinking out of the box. This is a complicated problem which demands an equally complicated solution.

A very simple question. The fact that you reference the UN mandate demonstrates that you haven't a clue what you are talking about. General Assembly Resolution 181, as are all GA resolutions, are merely suggestions. They are not legally binding. 181 isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

The Pals are getting nothing. Sooner they pack&move the better for them. They will get nadda. Those who believe otherwise, would be well advised to study the words. Carefully. Not the U.N you ninny, the prophets. The end result remains the same. WAR. and after the WAR, thats when the world will finally get it. So, we're gonna have a WAR TO SIMPLY PROVE who owns this land. and BTW, the next WAR will cause Israel to increase in size quite a vast amount more. Don't say i didn't warn you guys.

Consider a deceased estate, with a will that divides the assets between Person A and Person B. It is axiomatic that Person B has NEVER owned his share of those assets. Q: Can Person A then grab all the assets (at gunpoint, no less) and declare that "It's all mine now"? A: No, that is "theft", and it is very, very illegal.

Pagans existed even before abrahim existed, so that mean the whole world should be given to idol worshippers. Lets start with USA and Europe!

Pagans already run the USA and Europe. Wake up. Your disingenuous answer about the guns fails to acknowledge that the ol' "prophet" brutally conquered by the sword. How could ANYONE say that all religions are the same and equate Mo with Yeshua? Have you no discernment skills?

exist a Palestinain Arab before 1967

Hi........Timing is everything. You think all this was not planned out already ? Watch out for the headlines saying " Peace finally in Palestine and Israel" These people know how to keep Media on a spin.

In the new age that is comong Haaretz won't be around because of its bias

Most of the venom on this site comes from those who call for the extermination, exile, or murder of the Palestinians. Those are the pro Zionist folks. The best way to support a corrupt regime is to whip of a frenzy about 'enemies' who are out to get you. Israel is a master at this. It's like the hypochondriac who has a stomach ache and swears to the world they have stomach cancer.

Guess who's talking.

Your attempt to besmirch him by implying he is a muslim by calling him Hussein, is feeble, ignorant and extremely bigoted. His name is Barak. He did not give himself that name either.

In fact, this proposal was first published by Ray Hanania, a moderate Palestinian within a wider scope of proposals that also englobe the question of the palestinian refugees. You might want to read this: http://www.yallapeace.com/principles.htm

in jordan where they BELONG !!!

These people lived there for centuries, generations, and you have the guts to tell them they belong to Jordan? The true definition of arrogance.

Palestinians, not Pals. Jews, not Yids. Get it?

Yid has negative connotations, hence Jew is in place... no negative connotation whatsoever attached to Pal, merely an abbreviation of a the long word Palestinian, for some of us who spend a lot of time and thought in their defence...

I always read your posting, and totally feel indebted to you.

It is only food for thought for those who are naieve enough to think that the Israelis would not use it as a ploy to take and keep. You think they would give anything back after 99 years? Then again, if israel accepts the leasing arrangement it accepts its own illegitimacy.

And since when have the Arabs let the Jews have a moment of peace while living in their midst. The first thing they would do is drive out the Jews, or kill them. Try reading a history book.

any peace agreement implies the same no matter who gets what. Why not take everything then?

http://benatlas.com/2009/07/life-in-israel-in-1948-part-1/ http://benatlas.com/2009/07/life-in-israel-in-1948-part-2/

Under the administration of the Israel Lands Authority (ILA) are two types of land. The minority of it belongs to the Jewish National Fund (JNF), the vast majority of it is state land. ILA only administers JNF land, yet, this land does NOT belong to the state! State land is constantly leased (and recently also sold) to Arabs. If you would read hebrew, you could check out the ILA website for the current land tenders in arab communities. It is state land my dear. JNF land is often swapped with state land, to circumvent the JNF regulations concerning non-Jews. As such, the JNF land acts like waqf or church land in Israel. Tell me, does the islamic waqf land allow jewish housing on it? You have no clue about Israel and its laws. You think to know, yet you know nothing. Sorry.

Let's start with the facts. I speak Hebrew and am an Israeli citizen. Your statements are without any factual basis. I suggest you start with the the Jewish national Fund Bill proposed by Yisrael Beitaynu in 2007 and see how the state has delat with that question. 13% of Israel land is held by the JNF. How much land of the ILA was taken from Arab villages destroyed in 1948?

she is just a liar!

The chameleon Sullivan: first he was an Irish American catholic; then supposedly a Jew who just happens to post adorations for hitler on a web site aimed at gay neo-nazis; then he miraculously became a "Jew for Jesus"; that wasn't enough so the "Jew for Jesus" met and married a gay Palestinian; he first tried to convert his Palestinian husband to Christianity but when that failed, he converted to Islam for love; and now, all of a sudden he is an "Israeli speaking hebrew?" More like "He Blew!" I wonder what he will change in to next? Perhaps Sullivan really sees himself as the 12th Imam? Who knows? I am sure we will find out soon. For more on Sullivan, you can google him at realjewnews.com (a gay web site) or simply his name and get a full background on the poor MidWest US resident who simply was assaulted by too many "Jew-induced" tornadoes ripping through his trailer park.

mmi.gov.il there you can see current housing tenders in the arab sector. you can also search past tenders. you can even look who has won land and for example find out that many among the winners of land tenders in beer sheva (just an example) are arabs. The JNF land is JNF land, not state land. It is state ADMINISTERED, but not owned. As such, the JNF can decide what rules apply, just as the Waqf or the Church. Fact is, that STATE land was, is and will be handed over to all israeli communities. In many cases where JNF land is deemed the best development alternative, it is swaped with state land, so as not to create any conflict with JNF statutes. These are FACTS. Land is not TAKEN by the ILA, as they are the administrators of state and JNF lands, not the owners. Thus, your question is irrelevant. All abandoned properties come under state custody and as a sovereign, it can do woth it whatever is in accordance with the state laws, including transfer or swaps.

How sad it is you have to tell such a silly lie. Nobody with the last name of Sullivan would be an Israeli citizen.

Peres and Bibi, not to speak of the honorable Obama, and all those smooth talkers should be able to win them over if necessary, or diplomatically muzzle them for a good cause...

"The way Israel does business"? Is that all of Israel? How about 'the way the Arabs do business", which is to take whatever you offer, start the negotiations from there on all the rest, then blow you up if you don't give them everything they want.

I agree this lease idea is a bad one and if Obama is such a big fan of it then let him foot the bill. By the way when is California & Nevada going to be returned to the Indians and how much are they getting rent are they getting? When it comes to paying bills Israel do always has pays its debts thats why it is able to continue borrowing money when it needs. When Israel has asked the US for loan guaruntees it has always repaid the loan. Thanks to a deal signed by Bibi when he was finance minister under Sharon Israel has agreed that it will get very little in financial aid in exchange for an increase in military aid over the next 10 years & military aid benefits the US economy far more than it benefits Israel. I would like to suggest you write to Obuma and tell him to drop all these ideas of leases.

in that case i hope you are ready for the next war and that war is not gonna be like in the 60s do you remember the 1973 war its gonna be way worst than that war and now days every body has missiles that can reach all city's and towns all over the Mideast so we better think peace much better for all talking sh...t is not gonna get you any where in this world .... peace salam shalom

I am always ready for the next war. It is not being ready, having weak and useless leaders that scares me. Palestinians will never live at peace in Israel, their own choice. Israel will answer with nukes if necessary. We almost did in 73.

maybe the u.s should stop wasting our tax payers money on Israel

after WWII there is a new world order of civilized nations. Civilized nations do not fight for territory any more unless they are greedy...like China. You are living in the past and that is why you think that way. Bless your pointed twisted ignorant cone head!

I AGREE. or help the arabs also. I agree, my money and yours is going to a society whose brain has been paralized into thinking from manufactured bull way back in time. Yes, religion is the opium of the people and in this case, the people are taking us down also. Frankly my dear, this greedy society has become an ever lasting whining cancer.

America is still a democracy (occupying Indian land) so you need a majority in Congress to implement your policy. Don't forget to vote this Tuesday!

And yet, as again today, the Hezbollah that Lincoln writes glowingly of, have ordered their narco-terrorist underlings to butcher even more people. Not only in Mexico, but the butchering in Arizona to send the Americans a message in typical Hezbollah fashion. Yet Lincoln maintains his pre-occupation with a country like Israel that is acting only to defend itself while paying no attention to the carnage right on his own border. Why is that? Or is the answer so clearly obvious?

Your second sentence is true. I have corrected your first.

simple and economic solution...keep the money at home for USA

MOVE from Israel. Israel belongs to the Jews.

March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Za-hir Muh-sein. Here’s what he said: The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism. Palestinian people do not exist So yes you do not have lands to lease because defacto Palestyinians do not exist as a people.

how much income do you have? Depending how the leases are writen, it may be very beneficial for a Palestinian State and the Palestinian People both now and in the future. It also may negate much of the mistrust between the two states over time?

There is no Palestinian State! The land already belongs to Israel! The Arabs gave up their chance for claim to that land in 1967 when they LOST the war they started with Israel!

I didn´t know that israel is equal to Saudi Arabia!

Jews lost the right to it when they fought the Roman Empire and LOST! Double standards anyone?

a PLO member said Palestinians didn't exist. 40 years ago, too! I can go to any number of websites and find anti-Israel Jews who say the occupation is wrong, and settlements are wrong, and Bibi's a lying POS. Much more than one. And much more recently than 40 years.

By reading your comments and the news...it belongs to the Caliphate. Salaam

If I remember correctly, Jordan was told not to attack Israel in 1967, but they did, and lost. Had they not attacked, the West Bank would still be Jordan. Get your history straight.

Actually, it's more of a truish...."emphasing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war"....

Jordan had a mutual defense pact with Egypt, and Israel attacked Egypt without warning. Under international law when there is a mutual defence pact then "an attack on one is an attack on all". Didn't anyone tell that?

And Arabs in Arabia ... Who is squatting?

and at the same time, the U.S. should cut the $ 3 billion a year military aid it gives to Israel, and use that money to help the poor and destitute here at home. This is the worst economic crisis since 1929.

The tough nut bexcause of their ibntransifence is not ISrael but palis. remember for ten months they stayed away when a freeze was on and now want anpother freeze or no talks. Frankly i think the international community needs to walk away from this whole mess. Neither side are ready at this time for peace Give it another 20 years maybe but todays pioliticians are not ready

The greatest rubbish i ever have read in my life !!!

and in English, they're spelled Jerusalem and Israel.

...ah yes, panic!

This is an interesting admission: the Arabs are admittedly the cause of the war. Remember that they are still fighting of every inch of what they consider "their" land (remember that they were originally limited to Saudi Arabia). So they are still fighting to recover Spain and half of France, as well as Israel. That is why there is still war on Earth.

One of the great challenges in this Internet-age is deciding to whom one should pay attention and to whom not. I would advise not to spend too much time worrying about Islam's irridentist claims - they're pure fantasy. One part of your comment does, however, require a response and it's the assumption that all Arabs come from Saudia Arabia. The majority of Arabs in the ME and North Africa (so categorised because they speak Arabic) are descendants of peoples that inhabited these areas before the tribes, under the banner of Islam, moved out of the peninsula. This tendency to believe in a singular origin and line of descent is as childish now as it was 70 years ago when the Nazis adopted the belief. I'm part Arab but part of that lineage originated in Iran/Azerbeijan.

Have you thought about Isreal security as wel??

Palestinians has never had a land, Today's pals are only from 1967, after the six day-war. And there is no Palestine- Israel problem due to the fact that Palestine does not exist.

"The US too must guarantee that every Muslim and Christian holy site is protected and not even a stone removed.. " Yeah, because Muslims have a brilliant record of religious tolerance for others' holy sites? The hypocrisy of this statement perfectly embodies the shameless doublespeak that characterizes the arab mentality with regard to Israel. Every olive branch is considered a 'ploy', every death is embellished into a 'massacre', and every terrorist killed are 'harmless women and children'. Taqiyya at its finest.

Read the UN Charter. Israel agreed to ALL OF IT!!

Truthfully, most Americans would love to do exactly what you propose...what we Americans understand is that Israel is a special friend to the US...that sustaining that special friendship is a very expensive proposition, that (given our present economic challenges) is just not sustainable in the long term. We believe that peace in the ME would be of more benefit to Israelis and Palestinians than to ourselves. But...if Israel really wants the US to butt out...just say so...I'm sure the American taxpayer won't have a major problem with using the resources we currently allocate to Israel...to take care of our own citizens. You decide...but understand this...friendship is a two-way street...and right now, I'm not feeling like Israel wants to be my friend!!!

Agree. Let the American people decide who wins the election. An American citizen is entitled to vote his conscience.

it's their land? Stealing it and claiming it for yourself doesn't make it yours. Even if your book of fairy tales says otherwise.

No it was Jordanian land and now Israeli land.

But I'll point out that the "leasing" won't be done by the "Jewish people". It'll be done by the "state of Israel". Those two aren't the same thing, or didn't anyone ever bother to tell you that?

"Look what happend when England leased Hon Kong from China. It is Cinias now." It was China's before the Brits leased it.

You know as well as I do that the Palestinians are free and there is no longer an occupation, the problem arises when they use this freedom to attack Israeli population and kidnap soldiers. The solution of having a foreign army has been tried before both with UN and With the Palestinian Authority and both proved unsatisfactory because they did nothing to prevent attacks on Israeli population. Lately because of the Peace Process the PA started doing the right thing , making arrests to prevent further terror but why only now? they do so only now because they have something to prove in the peace talks. Next you have Israeli Arab Knesset members who may not be Palestinians but most of them clearly have that agenda in mind and some of them(or formerly of them) already exploited their status to betray the country. So I don't think its so unreasonable to believe that letting in a Palestinian army is like bringing in a Trojan horse that is more than willing start a war when no one is looking. Also keep in mind that unlike Israel's approach if the Palestinians and Syria were stronger there would be no peace talks, only genocide of the Israeli-Jewish population like they would have done if they had their way in 1948

then go peddle your twaddle somewhere else

its an example that the Palestinians couldn't keep their side of the bargain in UNSC res 1860 and if you think that UN resolutions actually accomplish stopping the Hamas then you are living on another planet

the U.S. should just cut Israel loose, and let it stand on its own. No military aid, nothing. Let Nature runs its course.

Your so right! The Palestinians need to go back home. Just let me know when the Israelis are leaving first.

You will have to ask the owners first, before giving away other peoples lands.

as the beduins are a nomad ppl....they dont settle in any land, so they cant claim theirs any land.

You can say German citizens can't settle in Berlin, as that territory belongs to Berlings.

We need more creative thinking aimed at finding a real solution to the conflict.

I'll just tell them its completely okay to do so on the autobahn in germany.

fatuous. perhaps you'd better stick to gazing longingly at the images in that "absolute sweden" book from which you took your online moniker

why not ,poor victim of your shool system. Taking of Breslau ,Stettin ,Köningsberg ,Böhmen from their German owners (look it up ,josh) was not 150 but 65 years ago.

but no coherent point. time for you to drink some warm milk and doddle off to bed

We have a treaty with Mexico defining our borders. Also, when land changed hands, ALL Mexicans who wanted to became instant American Citizens and retained full property rights. That was in the Treaty too.

What Palestine?

PA Capitol is Ramallah.

The US is negotiating with Netanyahu because he is the formal, democratically elected Prime Minister of the State of Israel. The US is negotiating with Abbas (not Haniyeh) because he is the defacto leader of the Palestinians. If you're actually concerned about who is really willing to negotiate and who can actually deliver, you'd be questioning why the US was still talking to Abbas.

If you don't pick the leaders of other countries then why has the US and Israel refused to negotiate with the democratically elected government of Palestine? Sure sounds like picking and choosing to most people.

everything is small and close, its hard/impossible to have firm defensible borders that cut right through the city. i think the plan recognizes this and delays the hard decision making to a time where hopefully, cooler heads will be able to make a decision. in the meantime, it guarantees the PA some cash that it needs to boost its state creation.

Over my dead body !

And ramot and ramat ashkol and psgat zeev and maale adomim all must be returned. If you want to be reasonable the palestinians accepted the Dictate of 1967 borders, it would crazy to give more concessions.

Because the Mount of Olives is in East Jerusalem and no Israeli government is going to give it back. The leasing idea is just rediculous and won't pass.

you can seen there no partner in isreali side and wait time to become aparthide in isreal when you miss obama and abbas

hopefully, yes.