Report: PA to quit direct peace talks if settlement construction continues
Meeting between Netanyahu, Abbas, Obama Sept. 1 is to launch direct negotiations, three weeks before settle freeze expires.
By Haaretz Service Tags: Israel news Middle East peace Benjamin Netanyahu Saeb ErekatThe Palestinians will freeze recently announced direct Middle East peace talks if Israel does not extend its settlement construction moratorium, the pan-Arab newspaper al-Sharq al-Awsat reported on Saturday.
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Palestinian PM Salam Fayyad and President Mahmoud Abbas at the opening of a medical center in August 2010 in Ramallah. |
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Israel and the Palestinians accepted on Friday an invitation by the United States and other powers to restart direct talks on Sept. 2 in a modest step toward forging a peace deal within 12 months to create a Palestinian state and peacefully end one of the world's most intractable conflicts.
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas will meet with President Barack Obama on Sept. 1, before formally resuming direct negotiations the following day at the State Department in Washington.
However, the al-Sharq al-Awsat report Saturday stated that the Palestinians will opt out of direct negotiations if Israel would not extend its present freeze on West Bank settlement construction beyond its September 26 expiration date.
After a meeting in the West Bank city of Ramallah, in which the Palestinian leadership announced its acceptance of the invitation for face-to-face peace talks with Israel, Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat, warned that the Palestinians would pull out of the new talks if the Israelis allow a return to settlement building on lands that the Palestinians seek for a future state.
The invitation to the talks "contains the elements needed to provide for a peace agreement," Palestinian leaders said.
"It can be done in less than a year," Erekat said. "The most important thing now is to see to it that the Israeli government refrains from settlement activities, incursions, fait accomplis policies."
Clinton said the talks should include the "final status" issues such as the boundaries of a future Palestinian state, Israeli settlements in the West Bank, the right of return of Palestinian refugees and the status of Jerusalem. She urged both sides to refrain from provocative acts.
"As we move forward, it is important that actions by all sides help to advance our effort, not hinder it," Clinton said.
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This is just pathetic already on Abbas and the Pals. They know that Israel has had a freeze and they did nothing. Now, they know that Israel cannot keep freezing construction and it was something that Israel had said NO to and no preconditions. Now the second that the Pals agree they add a precondition. This is all POINTLESS. Abbas and the Pals wont recognize Israel's right to exist, they only want all of what they want and Hamas wont agree anyway. There should be no peace talks until Hamas and Abbas figure it out. Until then, Israel is only negotiating against itself.
and Bibi et al will quit if there is NO construction... only the messiah remains equanimous...
Israel must demonstrate good faith. Abbas has detailed proposals on the table. It is time for Israel to respond positively.
It seems that every Israeli Government coalition has its strengths and weaknesses within its membership. Indeed it's usually indicative of the Israeli populace. The Palestinians must understand this notion and the Israeli opposition parties must understand this as well. To derail any peace negotiations because of provocative measures by either parties means that one does not understand the gravity of how complicated the issues are. I think PM Netanyahu comprehends this position he's in as would any other Prime Minister of Israel.
The Palestinians. Laying an ultimatum even before the talks have started,means quite clearly,that they are going to find one excuse or the other to make a U turn & get out of this morass.Watch. Only one Jewish State & So Many Arab States Invited to Washington for the conference.not a clever move, Besides All you people make me laugh ! What about Hamas !? The sword of Damocales is hanging above their heads. It;s a foregone conclusion that nothing constructive will come out of this Conference,& Abbas will run away at the very first opportunity. And pray what's so bad with his present situation ? Galavanting all over the world every week,never a time to be with his people,to listen to them to hear them to help them. Is this called a nation builder ! Show me another such example ?.
The US and the world can't be trusted with Israel's security. There is nothing to be gained from these talks if it means going back to the 67 borders and the US gave assurances to that. http://ralphsrant1.blogspot.com
It is all Israel do this and Israel do that, how about for once asking Palis to do something. Anything. How about acting like Human Beings? how about not training their kids to act like ...., how about stop dreaming throwing jews out and start realizing how well u can live together, and finall, how about start acting like a real country, like having a sewer system, and people having work instead of being fed by UN.
Israel can’t look weak... especially when it’s negotiating... so it has to say that if talks don’t begin then the freeze is over... This is the timeline... talks start... then the freeze gets continued... (The government would fall apart if The PM tried to impose the freeze without direct negotiations...) end of story... the real question is can the talks get past all the usual distractions... i.e Hamas, hizbollah, settlers... Heredi... Lieberman... Iran... Syria.. Islamic Jihad... if Obama can distract Bibi and Abbas for long enough to get a treaty signed... then peace is within our grasp...
Would you enter a poker game where your opponent insists it has the right to take chips from the pot and your stack?
even if the palestinians will leave the direct negotiations because the israelis continue to build, i consider the decision to start direct talks a progress. Because the whole world will get a unknown information: the official position of netanyahu about future borders, future of the settlements, east jerusalem. Every power in the world can form its strategy after it has this information..... the palestinians....the israelis....the saudis.....barak and labour.....the EU......kadima....abbas.....the americans......peres......hamas......obama administration......the jordanians......the egypts etc.
The PA should quit this stand-up comedy charade altogether. They need to reconcile with Hamas and understand what the Palestinian national struggle is all about. Their leadership is broken and you can't sit and negotiate with anyone when you are not whole. There can never be a peace process without the inclusion of Hamas. Natanyahu is not a peacemaker. Obama has proven to be spineless when it comes to taking a courageous stand and not flip flop.
This continues to be a ridiculous issue. If Muslims and Christians can live in Israel, why can't Jews live in Palestine. Let them build and then they can pay taxes to and vote in Palestinian elections just like everyone else there. Just make it clear to these people that the homes they are building may one day soon be in the State of Palestine - something they should have thought of when they built in the first place.
While you can spin this to suit your personal needs the fact remains the settlements are not considered legal by the intl community as is well defined everywhere on the net, see wikipedia. You can have your way or have peace. Not much choice there unless your only concerns are what's best for you personally vs what's best for israel. I have stopped my financial support toward israel until this stops and we show in actions we want peace. As they say, do what you've always dbe and you'll more of the same. I think it's time to stop isolating ourselves in the global community. After all were Jews and were not a backward self-interest people...its these few that make us appear that way to the world.
Quite simple really.
Tell him now: you climb out, you fall all be yourself. Gotta teach these thieves sometime.
Its the only fair solution now. This solves "right of return" and "settler" issues, allowing Arab and Jew freedom of movement within the country. Voters can make new laws and define new borders.
the constructions in the west bank will procede. Netanyahu is clearly window dressing, claiming peace within a year will not happen. Israel will not give up the west bank and east jerusalem. There is nothing left to say
israel will make sure of that .
We all know that Israel prefers expansion over peace. Peace has nothing to offer Israel. It is a wonder that Obama has not noticed this. Any peace agreement Israel makes will include evacuating at least some settlements, giving up at least some control over the Palestinian areas, and making some other consessions as well. Oh, it will also energize Israels right wing to violence and cause the Israeli government ro fall. All this will happen with the very best deal Israel can get. What does Israel get for making peace? An easing of pressure from America and everybody else. That's all. Of course Israel will insure that any deal they make will include many billions in new aid from America every year., but that's a quibble. America was made to serve Israel. Anyway, we all know that none of this will happen (except for the new American aid). The idea is to role play and pretend its going to happen, so historians can talk about Obamas peace effort without smiling. If Israel will not suspend their expansion while the peace talks are going on, then they obviously don't take it too seriously. That's a nono. If America is paying Israel all these big bucks to role play, the least we can expect is that Israel will role play. Come on Bibi, it's not that hard!
Of course the Palestinians must stop talking if settlement building continues. There will actually be nothing to talk about as their state erodes away whilst they are talking.....
Get off of it Pal Brit.....you and your countrymen have suffered long enough due to your poor choice of leaders. When will you realize that in life you do not get 100% of what you want...because the person you are up against also wants 100%. In the meantime since Arafat did not get his 100% from Ehud Barak in 2000...life has continued along well for the Israelis while your poor people have been martyred for the cause. FOR THE CAUSE ????. Who's kidding who ? Peace talks if done with a true heart can be be finished in months.
On teh one hand Abbas says yes lets meet face to face. other hand No if you are going to continue settlements. It would seem that this usual refrain from teh palis is getting stale. Either they want a state within a year or they do not! Abbas is foot dragging and frankly i am getting fded up with pali intransigrence. He can damn well sit down and negotiate everything or he cannot. Do not use what ISrael is doing as an excuse because settlements can be uprooted of required. Abbas needs to go one way or then other
The Washington Post recently reported on footage of Netanyahu talking to some Israelis. In the footage, Netanyahu talks about how he purposely undermined the Oslo Accord. Netanyahu is doing the same thing now by allowing ILLEGAL settlements to expand in territory the Palestinians need to create their own state.
it is more than obvious that Palis will not get everything they are asking, they have asked for sun and moon and all the stars, and they know it. They have set their demands so high to make sure they will not get a country. A country needs a lot of things, a country can not live on UNWRA for ever and get free food. This is the delemma, all other arguments are distractions. Legacy of Yasir Arafat.
How can anyone go for negotiations, for instance, on the borders, while Israeli bulldozers are digging at the hear of the future Palestinian state. I think it would be ironic and stupid if Palestinians leaders would accept that, for a logical point of view. We know that Palestinians are always the ones who loose. But I am really encouraged by President Abbas' stance of the peace negotiations. The guy doesn't want to be part of useless negotiations and he must be supported. In any case, consequences for the Palestinians might be cumbersome, if Abbas' stance was not favorable by Israel's supporters i.e. the US. The sad reality is that there is a Palestinian leader who challenged his people and promoted ideas of peaceful, diplomatic resistance as well as the establishment of a state but he is pressured and not supported. That is the biggest loss in this stage.
Is that for 20 years they have turned down solid offers in hopes of getting something better. In teh last 20 years construction has continued. More land used. Theior borders could have been defined, and further construction halted to repfect those borders. Now when more land is being used they say no we dont want a state because you are continuing to build. Stop the stupidity Abbas sit down get your state and permananet border before it comes to teh point when pali land wont exist
Jewish 'settlements' which are entirely legal according to international law and treaty are a problem for the PA. As stated last week, they do not want any Jews in Palestine. Every single Jew will have to leave and never come back. They insist on a racist apartheid state! This can never be allowed to happen. The UN should be outraged. The UK should be outraged. The USA should be outraged. But they are silent. This is utterly shameful and disgusting. Stop these 'negotiations' now and start moving the Arabs out of the Land of Israel back to Jordan and Egypt.
They give the country enough problems as is. If you do end up sending them to these places can you arrange transportation for them out of Lebanon?
So its wrong that the PA wants a jewish free state but you want arabs out of israel. Isn't that the most ambiguous statement ever. Israel spends way too much resource and money to protect a few who only care about themselves rather than peace. Unbelievable!
International Court of Justice, found the settlements to be illegal under international law. The Court's finding was based on the provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention and UN Security council resolutions, which condemned establishment of settlements and attempts by Israel to alter the demographics of the territories under its control, including resolutions 446, 452, 465, 471, and 476, which find the settlements to be illegal
You must be kidding right? Although it's a bad joke, I must add. In what part of the planet are you living in? The settlements are entirely legal according to international law? This is exactly the opposite what UN and the international community is saying ever since. You talk about a racist apartheid state? Oh yes, you're right except that the one you should refer to is our own country: Israel is the one playing the bad guy role in this history now. Shame on you for trying to revert the blame we should carry on our own.
Settlements are not legal under any law.!!!!!!! Thats the problem, stop the occupation then peace talks....
The issue is Israeli settlers... But please do continue to conflate Jews with Israeli's, it shows your ignorance....cute Arab Israelis are also forbidden, by International Law and conventions, to illegally settle in Palestinian territories.
1. Israeli settlements are against International law - See UNSCR 242: http://unispal.un.org/unispal.nsf/0/7D35E1F729DF491C85256EE700686136 2. The PA will allow settlers to stay as Palestinean citizens if they want to: http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/pa-settlers-can-become-palestinian-citizens-1.276727 The PA would also allow Jewish NATO troops to stationed in Palestine,, but they would not allow Israeli troops of any nationality or religion to be stationed there. http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/abbas-jewish-nato-soldiers-could-defend-future-palestinian-state-1.306616 Quit getting your "facts" from racist Kahanist websites.
What international law can you site to back up this claim. And how is your idea to move the Arabs out any different than Hamas wanting to move the Jews out?
also they steal land would you give citizenship
"Jewish 'settlements' which are entirely legal according to international law and treaty "... you make-things-up, as you go along... it must be difficult for you to accept reality...
If you don't consider the israeli action in the Palestinian areas occupation then you maybe right but every country in the world including the US considers Israel to be an occupying power. The Fourth Geneva convention which deals with issues related to prolonged occupations clearly states that the occupying power is not allowed to transfer its citizens to occupied areas. Despite this Palestinians are not saying Jews should not live in Palestine, they are saying that settlement building in areas that will become a Palestinian state must be frozen until there is an agreement, one agreement might be to allow them to stay but they will need to live under Palestinian law
Settlements are Against the international law. > Jewish only settlements not only illegal but racist don't you think? > we welcome Jews that will live as Palestinians in a Palestinian state, Samaritans have been living in Nablus for as long as there were Samaritans.
Where the hell did you get the idea that the settlements are legal? Every country in the world, the UN and all international lawyers say they are illegal as they are built on occupied lands and building on occupied lands by the occupiers is illegal. Please post a lonk to where you go this notion from. And when have the PA said they dont want jews in palestine??
implies an agreement between two countries that something is legal or illegal. show me another country in the world that agrees that settlements are legal.
This issue is particularly revealing of elements in netanyahu's personality. First, a basic principle. If you are discussing with another side sharing the land (or a pizza), it cannot be done while one party keeps devouring the land (or the pizza). Some form of a freeze is obviously a necessary condition for peace talks. If Netanyahu did not think of this ahead of time, he could have gotten a clue from the fact that the Roadmap included a freeze in the FIRST phase. This is basic. What decision did the Netanyahu government take? 1. The freeze applies to outside the current line of buildings, not to building WITHIN the currently built area. 2. The freeze will last for only 10 months. 3. The freeze will not be renewed. What do these elements indicate? The first element shows that Netanyahu has some reality, and understands that a territorial exchange is acceptable to the Palestinians, so he takes advantage of it. The two other points are clearly unreal. Was it conceivable that the talks will be concluded in only 10 months? Would the Palestinians and the US even conceive of talking peace with no freezing? I think Netanyahu has enough reality to realize that, but since he was dealing with his right wing partners Lieberman and most of Likud members, he decided to deceive them for now, present a nicer picture, and when the time comes he would try to wiggle out of it. All this shows Netanyahu as a creature of pressure; when pressured he acts, many times deceptively. Ultimately, he is not a courageous leader. He did not fight out the good fight then. Now he will pay some extra political cost for cheating.
Nothing has changed in 62 years... http://wp.me/pDB7k-l5 Nothing... except that Israel has taken the lands it said it wanted, despite not having any legal right to them
If you don't like the other side's opening positions, negotiate, don't threaten, if you leave you loose
Bibi is an ideologue - I don't think he will try to wriggle out of his promises to his coalition partners-it is more likely he will wriggle out of his commitments to Obama and try to find get out of the negotiations