PA official: We won't recognize Israel as a Jewish state
Senior Palestinian negotiator Nabil Shaath says recognizing Israel as a Jewish state would harm Israeli Arabs and negate the right of return of Palestinian refugees.
By Haaretz ServiceThe Palestinian Authority will not recognize Israel as a Jewish state, even though the PA acknowledges there is a Jewish majority in Israel, senior Palestinian negotiator Nabil Shaath said at a press conference in Ramallah on Wednesday.
According to Shaath, the Palestinian negotiating team turned down Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's request to discuss the recognition of Israel as a Jewish state during the upcoming round of peace talks in Sharm el-Sheikh next week.
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Nabil Shaath |
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Shaath said that the recognition of Israel as a Jewish state would harm Israel's Arab citizens and negate the right of return of Palestinian refugees.
Shaath added that any future peace agreement with Israel would be brought before the Palestinian people in a referendum.
"If we're on the verge of a peace agreement, we will need complete unity," he said.
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The concept of having a state identity based upon religious identity is absurd in this day and age. Those non jews born in Israel and those Arabs previously who fled to maintain some degree of self preservation will be Israeli regardless of any ultra religious fascist jewish dictates. Abolish aparthied in Israel now.
Like the cj's who want the mosque built at ground zero...!! They won't budge. Same with the Pals... Impossible to work with them in negotiations if they continue to demand certain conditions.
Iran declared that it is an Islamic country and did not ask for any recognition from its people or neighbors. Si Israel could declare that it is a Jewish state, so what and who cares. What is behind making it a condition for peace. It could be a condition for more wars and destructions.
If this is the the way the PA leadership truly feels, they have just doomed the peace talks to failure. Refusing to recognize Israel as a Jewish state is tantamount to saying: "First we get you to withdraw from the West Bank voluntarily, and then we'll outbreed you to eventually take over Israel." I hope it's a tactical move.
Why should Israel recognize a ' Palestinian state' when the so-called Palestinians will not do the same. They can wait another 60 years until they are more in a frame of mind to recognize Israel then.
Diplomatic Relations exist between secular States. The USA does not recognize Israel as a Jewish State, just as an Equal Nation. Nor do we recognize Saudi as an Islamic State, just an Absolute Monarchy. The demand that the Palestinians deny the existence of 20% of Israel's population is absurd. The IMPORTANT thing is that the Palestinians recognize that Israel IS a legitimate and equal state. The 'Jewish State' issue is a red herring intended to destroy the peace talks by obfuscation.
What’s the big deal? Is in it what the NIF call for? “NIF is the leading organization committed to equality for all Israelis”. You just read what equality mean, right of return, as many of the NIF grantees advocate for. To those of you that planning to donate money to the NIF in the holiday time, please don’t, don’t be fooled again by sweet HR double talk, just read this article again. Shana tova.
As long as the PLO does not recognize Israel as a Jewish state there is no possibility for peace. We will not return to the 1949 armistice line nor will we ever accept Arab demands that we simply disappear.
There is no Palestinian refugee.
I recognize Israel as a Jewish state. Does that help?
A christian democratic state. How many presidents/prime ministers in the world take their oath on a bible? How many European states have the crucifix in their flag? the "in God we trust" slogan on the American dollar? And let's not even start on the Islamic states. Just like Christian nations can be democratic, and Islamic nations choose to be theocratic. Israel has a right to be one of both if the people choose. So far they choose to follow the West's path and be democratic while retaining their religious identity. Those who stand against this idea of the only Jewish nation in a world where dozens of christian and Islamic nations exist should look in the mirror, and buy stone insurance for their glass houses.
If Israel is not recognized as a Jewish state as the Arabs are Moslem states then this is a deal breaker. The right of return for Pals is also the biggest deal breaker and is little more than an invitation for future wars.
To give meaning to the phrase "Israel is a Jewish state", one needs to define the characteristics of a Jewish state. These characteristics are what is important, not somebody making a statement. The characteristics can be enacted into law by the Knesset, and all the benefits of being a Jewish state are achieved, without any body having to "accept Israel as a Jewish state".
Mr nabil shaath, you and all israeli arab and palestinian can go and join your brotherhoods arab in jordan which is truly your country.
Orthodox, reformed, ashkenazi, shephardic, hassidic, haredi, secular ??? ,...
Logios is missing the point that a nation state is more than a governmental administrative unit. It is a homeland and culture as well as a government. Asking the Palastinains to recognize that is hardly a "trick" to stop refugees from Lebanaon. The PA is perfectly capable of asserting that it wants X number of refugees to return to pre-'67 Israel regardless of whether or not it recognizes Israel as a Jewish State. What the PA can't do, though, with such recognition, is to continue to deny in their text books, popular culture and from their pulpits that there is no such thing as a Jewish people and that there is no connection between Jews and the land. Such recognition excludes the assertion that Palastinians can morally eliminate the Jewish State and that as they want to be respected as a Palastinian people with a Palastinian state, so they must respect Jews and the Jewish state. This is why the PA is having such a problem with the verbal formula of recognition of the Jewish State, and it is why Netenyahu should insist on it. There can be no permanent peace without a fundamental understanding that a two state solution means two states for two peoples living in mutual respect.
if the palestinians dont recognize Israel as Jewish Republic they should not even exist. Israel will survive for ever, palestinians will remain as is for ever. They can take all the arabs living in Israel to their lands,any way they are the fifth column and will never integrate to the Israeli society, they are the dormant enemy, in my opinion shoudl be invited to LEAVE.
It should be sufficient if the Palestinians recognize the sovereignty of the state of Israel within agreed-to borders, agree not to interfere in Israeli internal affairs and agree not to pressure Israel to agree to take back more Palestinian refugees than are called for in any final agreement. Insistence on recognition of Israel as a Jewish state is superfluous. As Abbas says, Israelis are free to define themselves any way they want.
No Jews in Israel either is in the PA charter
"The second thing [we insist on] is the recognition that Israel is the national state of the Jewish people. If we are asked to recognize a Palestinian state, it is both natural and appropriate that the Palestinians recognize the state of the Israeli people as a Jewish state" - Netanyahu's Rosh Hashana address/// There are two inaccuracies (lies) in this statement: 1. The Palestinians do not demand that there state will be recognized as a "Palestinian state", only as an independent state, which they may call Palestine if they so desire. 2. The Palestinians do not demand that their state be recognized as "the national state of the Palestinian people". They just want an independent state. Period. Netanyahu may or may not be lying to himself too, but the "natural" analogy that he claims does not exist. Abbas is right when he says "You can call yourself "The Hebrew Socialist Republc" if you wish, it is none of my business".
The most commonly accepted definition of Zionism is support of Israel as the homeland for the Jewish people. Therefore, there are more non-Jewish Zionists than Jewish Zionists…Very important to understand that diplomats and politicians use the term “Jewish state” as code words - meaning the “Palestinian right of return” to Israel. Read Abbas’ and other PA officials’ recent statements – they fully understand that…Obama has made it perfectly clear he supports Israel as a “Jewish state” and that Palestinian right of return to Israel is “not an option.” Go to youtube.com, search Boycott Divestment Sanction Israel posted by EnoughNews, go to minute 4:40 and hear Obama for yourself…All or most Western nations/democracies support Israel as a “Jewish state.”…Obama supported Netanyahu on “direct talks” and didn’t support Abbas’ “indirect talks”…Abbas and other PA officials have done great damage to themselves in the last couple of days by rejecting Israel as a “Jewish state,” that is, insisting on Palestinian right of return. They have really given Netanyahu the upper hand. For Netanyahu to walk away from the talks now would be, well, dumb…By the most common definition of democracy (all citizens have the right to vote) Israel is a democracy. So, yes, Israel is both a Jewish state and a democracy.
then no palestinian state for you go home to jordan and egypt you terrorist thugs!
as the Jewish state. tp://www.sott.net/image/image/5290/truman_stateofisrael_2.jpg
Why should the Palestinian recognise Israel as a Jewish state on a territory they were expelled from ??? I do not think American Jews wii recignise the US as a Christian State. The Criminal wants his victim to recognise his superiority.
land of Israel = dar el-harb
Hertzel also at first did not understand our desire for aJewish home in Israel. To those of you who think our desire is only to be like a western democracy... let me say this. Throughout the generations you gave us the crusades, progroms, exiles and the Holocaust. All I want is my home and to be left alone in my corner of the world. I was there before you were. You killed my ancestors. I dont wish to emulate your life. I want a Jewish State.
the legitamacy for the state was settled at San Remo in 1920 and inforce at Mandate for Palestine 1924. Do some reading, change the world.
The Palestinian Authority cannot have it both ways. His advocacy for a one-state solution is a no win proposition. Israel will never consent to a proposal that would ultimately lead to her demise. Back to square one.
The demand by Israel for Palsetinains to recognize the Jewish Stae is once again Israel moving goalposts to thwart the peace process. More than twenty years ago during Netanyahu's last reign the demand was for Palestinains to recognize the State of Israel which THEY DID! How many American Jews would accept the idea of a Palin government wanting a name change to the United Christian States of America?
"Jewish State" is a good catch phrase, with no defined meaning, England is a Christian state with the Queen head of the Church but has little power. Most Religions have limited say in Gov. now days, with Iran and Israel being the exceptions.
The debate goes on and on, whether Israel should be recognized as a "Jewish state" or not. We are forgetting the core issue here, how can Palestinians ever recongnize Israel while Israel has stolen their land and continues to oppress them and is a threat to their very existence. The injustice done to the Pelestinians should be corrected first, give back their land and recognize their right to exist as a independent soverign state and the Palestinians will be able to forgive your past mistakes and will recognize you. Haaretz will you care to publish?
Statistics indicate that it is mistaken to categorize Israel as a "Jewish State". With a 25% non-Jewish population - it would be more correct to categorize Israel as a multi-religious country with a majority
In antiquity, the Israelites came and took over the Land of Canaan. Some of the local peoples (Canaanites, Philistines, etc.) were assimilated into Israel and some remained non-Israelites. During the Hellenistic and Roman periods, many more non-Jews settled on the Land. Due to oppression by the Roman government in particular, most of the Jews left the Land into exile. They were able to maintain their Jewish identity and culture through the ages. The peoples who remained on the land were Arabized during the Islamic conquest of the 7th century, most adopting Islam. These Arabs are today's Palestinians. In the Zionist era, the Jews returned to Palestine/Land of Israel, but refused to accept the local Palestinians as their relatives. Wars ensued, and finally settled by the division of the land into two countries, Israel and Palestine. And they lived happily ever after./// Such a narrative will not be problematic for either side. Jews might initially be a bit unhappy, because it seems that they were the ones who refused to recognize the Palestinians as a related people. However, this is exactly what the Jews did following the Return from Babylonian Exile. As described in the Book of Ezra, the Jews refused to let local people join them in building the Temple and worshiping the same God. (Apparently, the reference is to the Samaritans, a mixture of Israelites and foreign people brought into the Land.) Behaving in the same way again and again is a mark of authenticity, so will be acceptable to the Jews. End of conflict. Amen.
Fatah are evil snakes. Much worse than Hamas.
Well, it is open that Palestinians do not want peace, and there will be no Palestinian State if there will be no Jewish State, let Obama know that. By the way, why are they calling for Palestinian State? Is it not for the Palestinians both in Israel and in other areas to belong or be united with other Palestinians in their new state to be known as Palestinian State, if palestinians would remain in Israel after the creation of the Palestinian State then there is no need to create this Palestinian state. Greedy idiot these Palestinians are.
Why jewish State? An ideology centered on the creation of a state for a specific ethnic group (or groups, in the case of the Jews) has no place in the modern world. A "state for Jews" is no better than a "state for white folks." The result will always be the same.
I sincerely wish israelis would free themselves of the medieval practices of orthodox zealots and access an open-minded, beautiful Judaism which is not doomed but full of hope and has a future.
So they want a purely arab state, as well as a non-jewish 'Israel' (no such thing!) which ''palestinian'' ''refugees'' (which for no good reason have their own definition of refugee) are free to ''return'' to in large numbers? Get real, you will not make peace like this. AT ALL.
so why continue talking ? Israel--WALK OUT NOW--call their bluff----------enough of their bs
Your recognition or otherwise doesn't really matter. Israel IS a Jewish state & proud of it, just as India is proudly Hindustan .
It is also a nationality and ethnic identity. Don't Jews have a right to self-determination just like Palestinians?
So once again, no one is willing to budge - Bibi talked a good game about both sides needing to make difficult, hard decisions, yet the Israeli's aren't willing to make the one concession necessary for the Palestinians - suspend building in the settlements. The Palestinians of course aren't willing to make the one concession the Israeli's need - accepting Israel as a Jewish state. Neither side will budge one bit so this latest gambit was doomed for failure. I'll still pray for the peace of Jerusalem. Shana Tova
This recognition of teh state of ISrael being jewish is teh equivalent of the pali stop teh contrsuction. Why are low level functionaries allowed to comment in teh media. They screw things up
so whats good for the goose is good for the ganders as they say
Netanyahu last used this technique when he asked for the changing of the charter. He was always looking for an excuse. Did he change the Likud charter? No. Palestinians were asked to recognize Israel, and they did. This is a new condition that Netanyahu created. Olmert never said Palestinians must recognize Israel as a Judeo-Republic. This is absurd. Netanyahu doesn't want peace. He was always a trickster.
The UN itself, in it's partition plan for Palestine, SPECIFICALLY stated that the western portion would be a Jewish state. So by default, every nation that voted yea for the partition inherently accepts Israel as a Jewish state. Here is the document: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_181 Hope that posts OK, but just look up UN RES 181 and read it yourself. Cosmo
Perhaps Arabs should really osberve the realities worlwide: Is naming Canada just despite so few Natives and calling it Canada does it mean Canada is not just towards all Canadians and if the answer is Canada is just towards other Canadians, let him teach that constitutional law functions according to a biological architecture to be organic to a country. Is Egypt less Arab?
I do not understand how anyone can reconcile Israel being a Jewish and (western-style) Democratic state. If you believe a Jew is someone who shares certain DNA, then to define a nation as a Jewish nation is racist. Britain is not defined as a Caucasian democracy for example, and similarly no other western democracies define themselves as such, because to do so is to suggest that citizens of other races are not equal. If you believe a Jew is someone who practices Judaism then you must separate religion and state. To discriminate on the basis of religion would be theocratic, and not democratic.
If the Palestinians cannot find it in their hearts to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, I think both parties should reconcile themselves to the opposite of peace: war! Invest in coffins, bullets, synthetic limbs. Personally I travel and would love to spend my travel dollars in israel and the west bank, but dont want to go i am to drop in a war zone. Life is too short. INstead of worrying about bull shit get together shake hands and make Peacew. Happy Rosh Hashona and shalem aleichem
DNA tests have proved conclusively that Palestinians are closer to Ashkenazi Jews than one would be led to believe. One Mexican Guy I used to work with referred to me as the Arab and he didn't even know I was Jewish. I don't know if this thing is going to work out either. I think the Arab League should offer Israel membership. It's in the interest of both parties to get over this. Iran is growing stronger.
Nothing much to add. They get what they deserve. But why should we suffer?
The PA doesn't want to recognize or discuss the recognition of Israel as the Jewish state, well we won't discuss Jerusalem, settlements, so called arab return, creation of another arab state, etc. the pal arabs can rot on the other side of the fence and live on UN aid.
...Just as Japan is the Japanese State, Italy is the italian State, france is the french State, germany is the German State, and Holland is the state of the Dutch. They all have minorities, like Israel. BTW, only a future 'Palestine' would be allowed to expel its minority -- Jews.
....to be a "Jewish State"....if they assure the world it means the Christian and Muslim Arab population is EQUAL under all laws...then maybe it won't be as difficult to recognize Israel as a religious state.... Otherwise, forget it. And so far, israel has not clarified this point.
To my mind there is a clear distinction between these two concepts. The former seems a compassionate and reasonable proposal while the latter is undemocratic and will require continued oppression of a minority to maintain itself. It also, as the PA points out, undermine any effort to negotiate the right of return for the thousands of Palestinians displaced from their homes by the Israelis.
Balfour Delaration Nov 2, 1917: "establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people," Article 2 from the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine July 24 1922: "establishment of the Jewish national home" November, 29, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 "Independent Arab and Jewish States ...shall come into existence in Palestine " Declation of Indendance, May 14, 1948, recognized by the USA and USSR: "establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people,"
Right of return?! Very simple. The Pals want their own state and want Israel too. They will not be happy until they have all of Israel. Yet, Jews and Israelis cant live in the Pal state. You want your own state to be recognized then recognize Israel. It was created by the UN that way as well.
What’s the big deal? Is in it what the NIF call for? “ The NIF is the leading organization committed to equality and democracy for all Israelis”. Sound good, is in it? Well, you just read the real truth. To all of you that thinking of donating money to the NIF this holiday and at all, please, do not be fool by sweet talk, this money will endanger our ultimate existence. Shana tova
At random: The most commonly accepted definition of Zionism is support of Israel as the homeland of the Jewish people. Therefore, there are far more non-Jewish Zionists in the world than Jewish Zionists…Now, this is very important to understand - diplomats and politicians are using the term “Jewish state” as code words - in reference to the “Palestinian right of return” to Israel. Read Abbas’ and other PA officials’ recent statements – they fully understand that…Obama has made it perfectly clear that he supports Israel as a “Jewish state” and that Palestinian right of return to Israel is “not an option.” Go to youtube.com, search Boycott Divestment Sanction Israel posted by EnoughNews, go to minute 4:40 and hear Obama for yourself…The Western nations/democracies support Israel as a “Jewish state.” I believe that includes all of them…Obama supported Netanyahu on “direct talks,” not Abbas’ wish for indirect talks…Some Talkbackers don’t understand how much damage the Palestinian officials have done to themselves in the last couple of days by rejecting Israel as a “Jewish state,” that is, as they have made clear, insisting on Palestinian right of return. They have given Netanyahu the upper hand. For Netanyahu to walk away from the talks now would be, well, really dumb…By the overwhelmingly most common definition of democracy (all citizens have the right to vote), Israel is a democracy. So, yes, Israel is both a Jewish state and a democracy.
The land of Israel was first given to the Jews to be a homeland for the Jewish people to worship their g-d.. It was conquered several times but there was always Jews still in the land. Even the Koran acknowledges this. Then after the holocaust the existing world body gave the Jewish people back their land to be a Jewish homeland. A place where Jews would never again be sacrificed for the benefit of insane racists choosing to blame Jews for their own mistakes and mis-steps. Israel is was and always will be a Jewish homeland above all else. This is because racism and fascist hatred still hides in the shadows. These people do not want to be partner or live in peace they want the destruction of Israel and the Jewish people. Why so few see that or so few seem to care is beyond belief.
is de facto the jewish state,with a jewish majority. Concentrate on the core issues (borders,security,land - swaps, minority rights...) and hammer out a good deal for the WB and Jerusalem.Gaza and Hamas will follow later.Do the world a favor,make peace.
Im all for one state solution and equal rights for all citizens, let the religious people solve the problem of religious sites without weapons. If they are busy with each other they will stay out of other areas. When it comes to the pipedream of a racially and religiously clean Israel that will never ever happen. To many world religions want a piece and noone today would dare to propose "legal" ethnic cleansing and appartheid. Thats just to radical and to many against. Even if it would be allowed, we jews are not racially clean, we might have some common gene, but we are everything from rus, germanic, african, asian, arab, and whatnot with a common gene and religion.
But the Jews are, of course, a nation - they have a common language, culture and history - and saying that Israel is a Jewish state is no more and no less than saying that Italy is an Italian state. The people of Israel are in fact one of the oldest nations on the face of the earth and everyone, from the Pals to 'post-nationalist' Europeans, will just have to get used to the theologically insufferable idea.
WHAT A JEWISH STATE MEANS?AND WHY ASK PA TO RECOGNIZE IT--- ISRAEL IS RECOGNIZED BY UNITED NATIONS. WHAT ARE THE ISRAELI NON JEWISH RESIDENTS? ARE THEY MONKEYS LIVING IN ISRAEL WHO HAVE NO RIGHTS.
End of negotiations. Everyone can go back home.
the issue is the recognition of the right of all expelled Jews from all Arabic and Muslim countries to have what was owned by them and all their rights. The Palestinian are clever to act the way they do, becuase they know attack is the best defense. Israel has no agenda, no foreign policy, no vision and this is what will bring doom to it. Wake up before it is too late. Start giving the Long List to the Arabs and Company.
If they don't recognize us for what we are, then we won't recognize them either. I like how some Israel bashers try to single Israel as the only democratic state in the world with religious characteristics. Someone remind me again how many presidents/prime ministers in the world swear on a bible, how many take their oath under a bible in court, how many European flags have the crucifix, or the American dollar have the "In god we trust" sentence and the famous God bless America slogan? And I only started covering the christian nations, I don't even want to start with the Islamic ones. Sure, you can be christian and democratic, maybe Islamic and democratic, but a single Jewish and democratic? Bring the brigades, quickly! Please, you embarrass yourselves.
"Jewish" into the state name of Israel.
and furthermore, I responded to this discussion this morning on the Opinion section to Shlomo Avineri article and it's not posted! It's really a digression from discussing borders between the two states really and everyone knows that Israel and Jewish State go hand in hand, so it's wasted talk in my opinion. It's like asking that the Jewish faith change it's matrilineal passage - unlikely to happen the next ten centuries! Since it's erev Rosh Hashana, must go back to cooking!
Those who still believe in the "Peace Process" with the PA/PLO or any other form of Palestinian leadership are either out of their minds or suffering from a severe form of memory-loss. Just wait, after the PA scupper these negotiations they'll blame it on Israel, and another round of violence will begin. The whole "Palestinian cause" is just a front for the goal of destroying the Jewish State, which the Arab/Muslim world realised it could not achieve through conventional military force alone. How then can they ever compromise? Anything less than Israel's destruction is unacceptable to them.
Let me rephrase this, slightly: 'Those who still believe in the "Peace Process" with Likud or any other form of Israeli leadership are either out of their minds or suffering from a severe form of memory-loss. Just wait, after Netanyahu & Co scupper these negotiations they'll blame it on the Palestinians, and another round of violence will begin. The whole "recognition of a Jewish state" is just a front for the goal of destroying the Palestinian State, which the Israelis and their 'friends' realised they could not achieve through conventional military force alone. How then can they ever compromise? Anything less than the destruction of a Palestinian state is unacceptable to them.'
Do they say that or do you in order to not have to negotiate w/them. You do realize that Palestinians existed before Israel and now they all live under occupation. Isreal fought for the right to have their own state, including terrorist acts. Why don't the pal's have the same right?
What the Palestinians should also demand is for the Israeli Prime Minister to publically state that the West Bank is not the birthright of the Jews.
should he lie?
and we won't recognize your "Palestinian" state. GOODBYE!
Do they need 2 more? (Filastin and Israel)? Will someone please explain to the Arabs that their imperialism has to end.
International relations are a set of laws and protocols intended to regularize the relationships of nations and are not subject to religious twaddle.
has come to an early end.
Change the name of Israel to the "Jewish Republic of Israel."
unless Nebil Shaath is just speaking for himself... as a cross and jealous man who has been overloked...
I do not think the Netherlands recognises Israel as Jewish state, just as an independant country. In the modern world there are fortunately no religions attached to countries.
Moron. Jews are considered as ethnic group. Who cares what racists in Netherlands think about others. Your country doesn't recognize immigrants because they are not ethnically blonde haired and blue eyed.
"In the modern world there are fortunately no religions attached to countries." Now all you have to do is look at some of their flags and national holidays. Anti-Israelis are morons.
did you know that he vaticant is officially a state? or how about all those Islamic whatnots... and what does every north American celebrate on December 25th? did you know that the queen of england is G-ds representative on earth for the Anglacin church and taht All commonwealth countries are under her domain...
Aside from every country in Europe having a national religion, every Middle Eastern country, most non-Communist Asian countries, and all of South America then it's true that no modern countries have religions attached. Silly.
You're right, there are definitely ZERO religions attached to countries. No 'Islamic Republics' at all.
Are you kidding?! Have you ever been to Spain or Ireland? They are not Catholic countries? How about Poland or France. I believe there is also a Church of....wait for it....England! I do believe England is a country no?
You may want to review how many States have OFFICIAL state religions, including most of Europe, 30 MUSLIM States, Latin America, and parts of Asia. But then, by your interpretation, none of them are modern states - or perhaps you post simply to obviate a Jewish existence? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_religions
See http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_181 The Netherlands supported this resolution
The Netherlands isn't asking Israel to relinquish land it has captured. The entire premise of peace talks has been "two states for two peoples". If the PA won't recognize Israel as the state for the Jewish people, there is nothing to discuss."
And we not recognize Netherland as Dutch country too
Iran is recognized as an Islamic Republic. England is known to be an Anglican country, France is Catholic though it will eventually be anb Islamic state like all of Eurabia, err I mean Europe. Palestine will be recognized as a Muslim state with a Christian minority, hence Israel should be recognized as the Jewish state with many national mimorities.
"In the modern world there are fortunately no religions attached to countries." Not true. The Vatican and Vatican City and considered their own sovereign territory and state. They are clearly catholic and are there as the capital of the catholic world. Secondly, Mecca while not explicitly stated is the capital of the Muslim world. Most Jews want Israel to have the acknowledgment of being the capital of the Jewish world. It's not a matter of racism, bigotry or Zionism. It's a response to being a minority in an environment where at the best of times peace is cold and windows of opportunity are fleeting at best. Having it be a Jewish State helps keep a secure location for Jews against any outside threat. The right of return can flood the characteristic of Israel and then that safety net goes bye bye.
Those Israelis who do not see Muslim and Christian Israelis as equal citizens don't agree with your entirely correct assessment lucas. The folks pushing the 'Jewish State' demand might well next demand the removal of citizenship from those citizens of the Jewish State who are not Jews.
I do not see USA saying that Israel is Jewish state. I do not see the same demands from Israel to USA. Or any other country in the world. This is a scam. Why would ISrael demand that from small Palestinian state and not from the rest of the world???
Are you an Arab or just a bitter European leftist? Israel has and always will be a JEWISH STATE. Israel doesn't have to ask other countries to recognize that aspect because only Arabs and antisemites and self hating Jews reject and refuse to acknowledge that Israel is a historic country of the Jewish Nation for past 3000 years.
Cuss YES AMERICA DOES SEE ISRAEL AS THE JEWISH STATE... for g-ds sake it was the first country to recognise this FACT!
Do you see Israel defining itself as a Jewish state and the U.S. recognizing Israel? "Why would ISrael demand that from small Palestinian state and not from the rest of the world?" To end the ethnic war the Arabs launched against the Jews in 1920.
...as the Jewish state
Israel is constantly referred to as the Jewish state by US media, US govt officials, and US retailers who import products from Israel, just to name a few. If you haven't noticed this yet then you are not paying attention. If arabs can't accept Israel as a Jewish state then there is nothing to talk about.
USA already accepts Israel as a Jewish state. Personally I think it's no skin off the teeth of the Palestinians to accept this. Palestinians can live in a Palestinian state - and in theory so can Jews, Christians, Greeks, whatever - Just like a whole host of non-Jewish people live in Israel even though it is a Jewish state.
Israel is THE Jewish State. To be a Jew is not necessarily … ONLY a religious issue … there's an ethnic and cultural component as well… just like the USA is a CHRISTIAN country … and definitely there are ISLAMIC States like … Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran et al with the name Islamic in the title It's obvious … Israel is the JEWISH STATE
The UN in General assembly resolution 181 recognized Israel as a Jewish state. See: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_181
Look all this was decided with Mandate for Palestine. That established a reconstituted Homeland for the Jewish People. Done over, let's move on.
Israel is accepted as the 'jewish state' by all nations in the world except those few which do not want it to exist. This is and always has been the Arab trojan horse.....and shows there actions up for what they are: an inability to truly accept Israel in the middle east!
Why does Iran call itself the Islamic Republic and everyone recognizes it? Same principle. And why is there an "Arab World"? Israel is part of the Jewish world and Jewish Republic.
If the PA cannot convince Israel that after a peace agreement is signed and implemented, there'll be no further claim or demands, no one in Israel will think there really can be peace with the Palestinians. As it is Israel is controlling the West Bank and will continue to do so for many years to come. The only motivation for Israel to give up that control is investing in a peaceful future where it won't be necessary to ensure the security of the Jewish population in Israel.
I wonder if Nabil Shaath reconises all the Islamic states ? I dont think so otherwise it would harm all the Christians.Anyway enough said , he is irrelevent he has no say in this matter he can do what he pleases.
Acmud, you must be a comedian. First you'd have to find Christians and other denominations but Muslims in Islamic states..
Before asking that from the palestinians? Who is a jew? Can all Israelies agree who is a jew? would Israel agree to have an Islamic Palestinian state? As a palestinian I would never recognize Palestine as an Islamic state only. this will fire back in Bibi's face and the jewish people. (Haaretz, please do not remove my comment)
Michaeluk don't be dense. Many western countries are considered catholic or Christian states. That doesn't change the equality factor. In God we trust right?
canada is a nothing state. It used to have a character and identity, but since Trudeau its a mosaic . There is no canadian identuty any more it is what ever happens to be teh majority of population a real divisive mix. Stick to teh melting pot it works better
If this is not part of any deal then Israel will always be in danger of destruction. The Arabs know this and will never accept it because they really do not want peace. They want to destroy Israel and throw Jews into the sea. Nothing has changed. their rethoric is even lauder then ever. We cannot allow the work to force us to commit suicide.
and you'll get nothing!
I think they are done saying yes to everything and still get nothing, so they are telling give us, or we give you nothing.
Zilch..that is for sure. Nothing,nada,rien, and except demands for more of the same unachievable BS.If only they had some thoughtful purpose in life by taking the bull by the horns and get down to work instead of relying on other people to do the working for them while they sit an whine all the time Is my answer right,or am I wrong?
the decision of being a jewish state or not being a jewish state is a israeli Abbas and cia. are nobody to decide if israel is or not the jewish state. and if they don't want to recognize Israel as the state for the jews... forget about peace.......... if they want another solution, be prepared for another solution
If peace talks fail then war is certain. If the Arabs think they can withstand the next war then just go ahead and not reconize Israel as the Jewish state. Because Israel won't make any concessions at all without it.
They have to know that nothing can get done without conceding that Palestinians have no right of return and Israel has to stop building and expanding settlements.
Has any country in the world ever 'recognised' Israel as a 'Jewish state'? No. So why try to force the Palestinians to do so? Or is this just a device to sabotage peace talks?
The vaunted UN Resolutions that everyone likes to keep bringing up refers to Israel as a "JEWISH STATE"
Israel recognised itself when the Jews ruled it over 3000 years ago...
Re: "has any country in the world ever 'recognised' Israel as a 'Jewish state'" In 1947 the United Nations voted for the creation of a Jewish state in half of the former "british mandate of palestine". In other words, in 1947 the international community recogised Israel as a Jewish state
Russia - is russian state,even more than 100 other nationalities constitute their population( the same is for China,Britain or many other countries). Why? Why? the intention to dissolute 2,5 - 3 millions jews within the ocean of arabs.The answer is: only to eliminate Israel,to liquidate this wonderful,peaseful State. NEVER AGAIN !!!.
Yes. The United States in 1948. Read President Truman's letter of recognition below.
to be like it is, if Pals real want peace they have to recognize us otherwise peace talks are a non sense waste of time.
umm all those who voted in vavor of resolution 181 do... pres obama says in his speeches "the jewish sate of Israel"
the beautiful USA and all of Europe. Israel was re-created for the sole purpose of being the Jewish state. To even ask this question is as disingenuous as the bds movement.
Was a UN resolution regarding the British mandate who gave 1 part to the Muslims, another small part to the Muslims, and another small part for a Jewish state. :-)
Actually, the quartet has premised the entire peace process on "two states for two peoples." If the Palestinians don't agree to that basic premise -- that Jews are also entitled to a homeland and self-determination -- there is nothing to talk about.
Of course it is, it is in fact the land wherein was the Province of Judah renamed Palestine by the Romans, then itcame into the hands of the Ottomans and thenthe British, But it is still the land wherein stood the Province of Judah/Palestine and the UN General Assembly decuded to partition it into two States one Israel for the Jews and another Palestine for the Arab Refuees in 1947,
In all but Arab countries. The US recognizes Israel as a Jewish state-always has.
where and what are your borders? does the illegal settlements belong within it? ive seen enough UN resolutions as to cast doubt at what exactly is israel. UN res 242 1967 borders ring a bell?
The territory you are referring in resolution 242 are disputed hence we have negotiations. Resolution 242 stated "territories", not "the territories", which means ANY part of the territories. Based on its wording Israel have already fulfilled it by giving Sinai back to Egypt (over 90% of that territories).
It does not define borders but rather opens up for negotiations. Try reading before you open your mouth and insert ye foot!
UNSC 242 calls for mutually recognized borders to be negotiated, genius.
The key term was 'defensible borders' … the framers of this Resolution … are on record as acknowledging that the 1967 GREEN LINE was NOT a border but an armistice line from 1948 … THEY HAVE SAID ON THE RECORD … the 1967 borders ARE NOT THE DEFENSIBLE BORDERS … that would need to be negotiated between the combatants … presumably, Jordan and Egypt BUT NOW the Palestinians … who did not speak for themselves until the last couple of decades … There is a border with Egypt & Jordan … who have SIGNED Peace Treaties with Israel … when the other border states establish peaceful relations with the Jewish State … there will be defined borders … NOT BEFORE
Yes, they do Jimmy. Clearly you've never read 242 as it makes no mention as to which boarders to return to? Clearly you've never read a history book either. If you had you might have heard of the Kingdom of Judea, Samaria.
Yes every state that signed on to the Mandate for Palestine. Do some reading Jimmy.
isperfectly clear in demanding withdrawal from territories acquired in war. Only Greater Israel-fanatics believe that inserting the article 'the' makes any difference to its perfectly clear intent and language. Enough of this semantic nonsense! There is no dispute, and the wording is perfectly clear: "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war" and "withdrawal of Israel's armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict"
How and why does Israel want to be recognized as a Jewish state ? I thought it was a Model For democracy in the Middle East. And who cares if it is jewish state or not ? I thought the bottom line is or was that they want peace ?
its about the gods
Who cares if there's a Pali sate or not? Try Jordan.
The national holidays are Jewish holidays. The national flag has a Star of David upon it. The majority of its citizens are ethnic Jews. Does any of that prevent rule by the majority, with equal rights enshrined by law for all citizens? Anti-Israelis are morons.
look at our history... you think the holocaust was a one time event... look at why the second alliah started in the first place... it goes back... more then 2000 years... Even back to the Romans... who made fun of us like we were gypsies... without homes.... we were poor... in the Christian era... we were only allowed to do jobs that Christians weren’t allowed to do because of their religious beliefs... the best we had was a second class citizens during the Caliphate... We have our Jewish country back... It has to maintain its Jewish charter because the world is barbarous and wants to forget the holocaust... So the next time there is a depression they have a scapegoat to kill... Well if they try that again... we have an army to protect ourselves... ISRAEL IS THE NATION STATE FOR ALL JEWISH PEOPLE... it is simply not just a Jewish sate...
This constantly regurgitated false narrative goes just like this "But If Israel wants to keep the West bank it has to extend citizenship to all its legal residents." "Remember what the US did to Milosevic for trying to put people on buses and ship them out?" [ Now that is the usual 'ethnic-cleansing' false charge propaganda] [In actuallity it is the Fatah Palestinian Authority leadership that wants the ethnic-cleansing of hundreds of thousands of Israelis from their own land of Judea and Samaria.] "Conquered land comes with its subjects. Land comes with people. If you want to keep the land, you have to accept the people. It's a package deal. " False narrative. First, Israel is not an "occupying" conquerer. Israel does not occupy one inch of Arab land. In June of 1967 Israel fought a war of self-defense. In the process recovered land that historically belongs to Israel that had been under "foreign occupation" for 2,000 years. Including Islamist occupation. It was Imperialist Muslim armies that invaded, occupied, and colonized the Middle East and northern Africa in the 7th century. Not to mention the Ottoman Muslim and British occupations.
@ peutina, So basically, when we run out of any common sense argument. we pulled the card of the entitlement...in plain words. i can just show up to day to some Arab house in our promise land, and asked them: " get the hell out of my house, the house & land that have been given to me and my people thousands of years ago. my book, my G-d says so, get the hell out ".....it just doesn't make sense at any level. the funny part we blamed them to of what we are accusing them with. i see it as us who are religious zealots, unfortunately. and they are property & lands that belong to them zealots, wouldn't you.......based on your argument " arab occupation of 2000 years" we should support the american native indian in north ans south america kick all of us and legitimately get their ancestors land back....just to reflect. bottom line is this kind of talk leads to no where... being fair & just does for lasting peace. G-d bless & support seeking his attributes in their personnel and public life. only then we can leave in peace with them anything else it is just organized chaos
1 Jewish state and 31 Islamic countries is not enough? so what ? 32 Islamic and none jewish?
Lebanon is the only non-religious state in the area. Christians don't have to recognize Lebanon as a Muslim state, Muslims don't have to recognize Lebanon as a Christian state. Jews are respected. Making your Arab population whether Christians or Muslims second-class citizens does not bode well for your democracy. You guys should learn about democracy from your neighbor in the North.
I don’t care about my religion or identity more than the land I lived in that has my house and the history of my ancestors. This is why I want to go back to my house and family as a suffering refugee not because we want to have 32 Islamic countries!!! “Abou Daoud” you have no clue about reality.
All this means is the Palestinians are still rejecting the will of the international community, namely UN Res. 181 that declared: "Independent Arab and Jewish States,,, shall come into existence in Palestine." The Palestinians rejected 181 in 1947, started a civil war that led to the invasion of Israel by five Arab armies on May 15, 1948. The Arab side lost the war they started. Arab aggression created the "Naqba" and Arab aggression keeps the conflict going. Peace means the two state solution: a Jewish state and an Arab state.
The books you used in school must be outdated
To go and read this: The Question of the Applicability of the Fourth Geneva Convention [PDF]-10:16 This pertains of the legality,versus illegality of acquiring land through war.A very interesting but long read desired to understand the whole.. Please do go and read.I suggest all of you to do so. Incidently I am not denying what you have written. Far from it.But still it will be an eye opener to some who disputes facts.
Was caused by Ben Gurions deliberate plan to Ethnically Cleanse the Arab population from the lands that Israel took over to be Israel. The refugees driven from the land are by Definition "Israeli Arab Refugees" and should be returned to their lands within Israel.
then.... forget about an independent palestinian state. ISRAEL IS THE JEWISH STATE. being a jewish state does not mean not to be democratic. being a jewish state means that anyone who considers himself a jew can return to Israel, in the same way many, many countries do so. japan for example have special consideration for japanese descendents when they want to adquire japanese citizenship. many europeans countries do the same.................... ISRAEL IS THE JEWISH STATE, in the same way Egypt is the arab republic of Egypt despite have coptics within its territory. the arab syrian republic also, despite having assirians and kurds within its borders. THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN is another example................................. ISRAEL IS THE JEWISH STATE, the state for the jewish people, in the same way Palestine is the state for the palestine people.................... if the arabs does not want to recognize it, FORGET about peace........................................ the palestinian "refugees" is a palestinian problem, solve it within your future borders........... they made no mention about the 900000 jewish people expelled from arab lands. their houses are occupied by another people. THEY CAN'T RETURN, in the same way the palestinians can't return. IF ARABS WANT some kind of COMPENSATION, THE SAME RIGHT FOR THE JEWIsH REFUGEES. jewish refugees can't return to their homes. if the arabs want a home, go to morroco, irak, yemen, egypt etc and ask for jewish properties..................... forget about "PALESTINIAN LAW OF RETURN" and recognize Israel as the jewish state. Israel for jew people, palestine for palestinians................ through history many wars have been solved by population transfer (greece-turkey, India-pakistan). Israel don't want to expell its arab population, but no "refugees" into Israel. TWO STATES FOR TWO PEOPLE!!
japan = japanese, america = americans... then all of a sudden instead of saying for israel = israelis, you said israel = jews... what if tomorrow israel feels like arab pop is growing too much and we have to dump them, they can say you accepted as jewish state so here we are dumping arabs. also, please give me a name of one country that recognizes israel for jewish people
is not a religion your arguement is void Arab= Secular Ithnicity derived from the middle eastern region of the world, Native Jews are Arab Jewish = is a religion not a ethnic background. Examples of ethnic backgrounds are 1. Arab 2. Slavik 3. oriantal 4. Caucasian 4. Afrikan and many others
The reason Netanyahu demands it is that he can then say:The Palestinian refugees cannot return to the Jewish state. But the refugee problem has to be discussed as part of the deal, not as a "trick". For Abbas to recognize Israel as the homeland for the Jews is to demand from him some determination about history. What Abbas knows as a historical fact is that Israel was part of the homeland of the Palestinian people (as they are defined today). The Jewish claim is debated by historians (although I, and most Jews, believe it as a certainty). If Abbas is willing to decide historical claims, he might say: Israel and Palestine together are the homeland for both the Jewish people and the Palestinian people. (Indeed, Judea and Samaria are the homeland of the Jews more than Israel proper). But such a historical determination by Abbas will be of no use to Netanyahu. I think Yahoo should reconsider his pointless demand.
will remain where they are or go directly to Allah
So what you are saying is that the whole land is for two peoples... right... So whats teh problem with Arabs who stay in Israel having duel citizenship? and visa-versa for jews staying in Palestine...
Tell me one country which does recognise Israel as a Jewish State, please.
"Tell me one country which does recognise Israel as a Jewish State, please." The United States, for one, under President Truman. Here is an excerpt from Truman's recognition letter in 1948: "This government has been informed that a Jewish state has been proclaimed in Palestine...The United States recognizes the provisional government as the de facto authority of the new State of Israel."
I think it is just mulim states that dont...
What's that on the Israeli flag?
Every nation that voted YEA on UN RES 181... http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_181
Messrs. Abbas and Sha'ath are right on the mark. Not only for the reasons they states, but also because theologically, historically, and morally, a Jewish state anywhere, but especially in the Holy Land is at best an absurdity and at worst the focal point of a world war. It has been illegitimate since 135 AD at the latest, and is no more legitimate now, despite a misintepreted UN resolution of Nov. 1947.
What planet are you from ???
And why we the Jews, do not deserve our own State? Why Poles do Chinese do, japanese do and we don't? Why nearly every name of any Arab state, bears a name "Arab" in its official name? Tell me why having about 23% or so of all Nobel Prize winners, making huge contribution to teh mankind, why don't we deserve to have a state?
All the people you listed are nationalities not religions. Those countries have secular Governments and a majority of there citicens have variouse religouse beliefs. The PA leadership doesn't want a country that does not have a secular goverment negotiating with them. I can see where there comming from, its not because they hate Jewish people its because they want the Israeli goverment to be secular
Bibi's playing a dangeroud game with the whole Jewish State issue. It may play well with Jewish Israelis, but the Pals obviously won't accept it, and more dangerous from Israel's point of view, neither will the West. None of its countries recognise Israel as The Jewish State and they're never going to, because that would negate their own policies in their own countries of viewing all citizens as having an equal stake in the country. It also brings up the whole question of Jewish Right of Return. This again is a dangerous area for Israel as far as the West is concerned. When Jews were in danger it seemed reasonable for Israel to give such Jews priority immigration to Israel, but where is the justice in Israel making huge efforts to attract Jewish immigrants from their safe lives in places like the US and France, while at the same time making big efforts to avoid israeli Arabs bringing in their relatives? The West has traditionally ignired all these questions, but if Bibi keeps on demaing recognition of Israel as The Jewish State, he is going to throw a spotlight on them.
Come and visit Israel you shall see how western it is yet it holds the ancient air of mysticism those haters who cant see beyond their noses will hiccup the beauty and find cracks in the ancient side walks as offensive lololol
Then fanatics chose to use the term 'Jewish State' as a bludgeon to murder peace. So now the question is will Israel be the Western Democracy it once was, or become a Jewish Iran?
U understand less than nothing about Jews , Jewish needs ,zionism, etc. Maybe u should learn something about it?
Michael you a a morron, i think the whole world recognizes it( oh, doesn't sound right to make statements on behalf of the whole world) . I recognize MichaelUK as adumbest representatve of a UK. Israel is, was and will be a JEWISH STATE. So this means : Buy Buy PEACE . Z'L
Recognizing the majority ethnic group as such and allowing for representative rule by the people (plus laws enforcing equal minority rights) aren't exclusive of one another. Let us know when YOUR country no longer celebrates December 25 as a national holiday. Anti-Israelis are morons.
What you are saying is not true... Israel was established by UN as a "Jewish state". So, the West has always recognized Israel as such. There should be no Arab (Palestinian) state unless they recognize Israel as a Jewish state. Two states for two peoples - Arab (Palestinian) people and Jewish people.
UN Resolution 181 called for the creation of a "Jewish State" and an "Arab State" (along with a corpus separatum in Jerusalem and an economic union connecting the three entities) in the area of Mandatory Palestine. The "West" you speak of were all signatories and authors of UN power and autonomy and are equally subject to this resolution as they are to any other General Assembly Resolution. Therefore, the West (the same states that recognized Israel's existence as a Jewish State after the UN vote) have already sanctioned the existence of a Jewish State in Israel.
Like Europe which is considered "Christian" and like Arab countries that are "Moslem" we prefer to be "Jewish."
Israel has many Western values, but lives in a tough neighborhood, where none of their neighbors recognizes these values. You Brits, like France and other countries have your own problems on the horizon. Getting the WB is only Step 1 in the Palestinian mind.
History had shown to us, the Jews, that we shouldn't trust anyone except us to protect us. Remember such democracies as US and Canada. In the late 1930-s, when there was a ship called St. Louis, full of Jewish refugees, which was turned away back to Germany to get slaughtered by teh Nazis. Canada turned away Jewish refugees. In the words of one Canadian official, referring to the refugees: "None is too many". The Allies didn't bomb the concentration camps and allowed the Holocaust to continue until the very end of Nazi regime. Please remember that the German Jews and Jews in Poland had very good life there and contributed to the prosperity of all European countries. We need a State, called our own. We don't know if there is a danger looming in the future. I am the one, who always keeps Israeli passport valid - just in case, in spite of my Canadian citizenship. By the way I wouldn't consider France to be a safe place for the Jews. Have you tried to wear kippa in Paris? Just try for a change :) We have suffered enough. We made great contribution to all the countries we lived in and for that we were slaughtered like simple sheep. We do deserve to have a state, which is Jewish.
Funny, I was talking to a Jew who was very offended by recent genetic studies showing Euro Jews have up to 55% European ancestry.
to make it its Israel.
Western in mindset? I live next to Measherim: 100% religion rules: no cars on shabbat, segregated buses for women and men and the rabbinate deciding on many aspects of life. Much like countries where Islam as religion rules. The other side of Israel: Tel Aviv, beach, western life styles. It's both. Recognition as Jewish State? Yeah right, except for pretty stagnant ME countries, not many other countries define their state in connection with religion. Bibi just want to stir up the religious card: very dangerous.
UN 181 as a GAR was non-binding and was never implemented and it's use of the term Jewish state and Arab state was descriptive before the names Israel and Palestine were chosen. Since Israel refuses to recognise Palestine, it can't also really rely for legitimacy on 181. When Israel declared independence under the name Israel in 1948, with equal rights for Jews and Arabs, countries recognised Israel. They did not recognise it as The Jewish State and do not do so today. You can all scream and shout but that's the truth. Generally speaking, therefore, most of the world isn't going to back Bibi against Abbas on this issue.
Since the establishment of Israel in 1948, no arab country evevr acknowledged Israel as the Jewish srtate. Now these scums are dictating the rules how THEY WILL ACCEPT the generosity of the jewish people who are trying to give them a piece of Israel and they try to dictate all the terms of HOW THEY WILL ACCEPT THIS DONATION??? BIBI should WALK OUT and let them and the world know that if peace does not include arab recognition of israel as a jewsih state then there will be no peace. COME TO THINK OF THE GULL that occurs while obama and clinton sit around like jerks supporting this charade instead of coming out and telling it like it is .. as of yesterday Castro became more of a man than obama is, at least he told iran the truth and to stop the games while obama contiunes to play them
Way to emulate an Arab "Shafiqa". Generosity? You must be mad. Finally, the PA stood for something. Palestinians cannot accept these ridiculous terms.
Same old story demanding and not giving? Fine by Israel..What is more important is to ignore Obama,Clinton and the rest all smiles thinking A JOB WELL DONE AND Fait-Acomplis when in point of FACT BACK TO SQUARE ONE i.e 1948...gimmi,gimmi.You dion't want to recognize the Jewish State FINE BY Israel..STAY IN THE COLD FOREVER..Who cares when we know you nothing but beggars and thieves wanting WHAT YOU WILL NEVER EVER GET.
Gee that was easy. 'Peace talk' that Obama.
Intelligence wise ...They think people are fools and not realize the FACT of this latest?. SURPISE!?!?!?
I don't think the PA will establish Palestine as a Muslim state because there are so many Christian Palestinians. It's enough for the PA to recognize Israel. Period. Dayeinu. There are plenty of Muslims and Christians in Israel. Next the right-wingers will demand that the PA recognize Israel as an Orthodox Jewish state. An Ashkenazi Orthodox Jewish state. It's a silly demand.
Well, er, actually it was born yesterday 62 years ago. Palestine, on the other hand was born thousands of years ago.
Again...Arabs demand 100% of what they want, and wont give Israel a thing. There is a dictionary definition of this. No, don't bother looking it up under 'negotiation'. Look it up under 'E' for extortion. Ridiculous!
So why was this never an issue in previous negotiations?
you gain peace and free trade with arabs
Bibi then walk away the Palestinians cannot understand the meaning of a process ,give and take . tO THEM PEACE MEANS TAKE AND TAKE AND TAKE TILL iSRAEL DISAPPEARS
As I have said it over and over..THE ONLY THING THEY WANT IS ALL OF ISRAEL...Okay chums you are turning the CLOCK back, your funeral not ISRAEL'S. The fact you never existed seems to pass you by. Good, stay in your miserable intransigence losers as usual ..As if people didn't know how your TRICKS work ,have done for decades. The Palestinian fabrication is exposed precisely when we listen to authentic Arab voiced.The prominent Arab historian Dr.Philip Hitti ,who expressed himself at the Anglo-American commission of inquiry in the State Department building in 1947 ,said as follows: "Sir,Palestine never existed throughout history Absolutely not !" Moreover,Professor Juhan Hazam ,in his testimony before that same commission,added:Before 1917 ,whe the Balfour made his declaration,there had never been a Palestinian question,and there ws no Palestine as a political or geographic unitstructure!
until Hamas is no more! Kill them all now!!! Ruthless killers that understand nothing else! Hamas wants Israel's destruction.... nothing else. Everything they do is revolves around this goal..... The same is goes for Iran. They do not want peace!
The only one who has been taking here is Israel, for the last 40+ years.
If Palestine never existed, and I agree with you, then take the people on the land. The Arabs expelled from the land, given they cannot be Palestinian Arab Refugees, by your argument now must be Israeli Arab Refugees and must be returned to their lands within Israel. Including their descendants, that make another 4 million Israeli Arabs. Good luck to you sir.