PA official: Arab states to attempt UN-forced settlement freeze
Speaking to Ma'an news, chief Palestinian negotiator blasts Netanyahu's refusal to freeze settlements, says Mideast peace talks are just one way to solve the conflict.
By Haaretz Service Tags: Israel news Middle East peace Saeb Erekat Benjamin NetanyahuEgypt is leading a joint Arab initiative geared at forcing Israel to cease its settlement construction by appealing the United Nations, a top Palestinian official told the Ma'an news agency on Monday.
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PA President Mahmoud Abbas and negotiator Saeb Erekat in Cairo on February 6, 2010. |
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Peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians have been stalled since Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had refused to extend a 10-month moratorium on new West Bank settlement housing that expired on September 26, with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas saying he won’t resume the talks without an extension on the building curbs.
Last week, Abbas hinted that the Palestinians would try to persuade the United States to recognize a Palestinian state in the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem, if Israel kept up its refusal to freeze settlements.
“For now, we are focusing on the first option [negotiations],” Abbas said.
Speaking with Ma'an on Monday, the PA's chief negotiator Saeb Erekat said the aim of the joint Arab initiative proposed by Egypt would be to force an extended settlement freeze on Israel, alluding to the need to find alternatives in the face of deadlocked negotiations.
"When we talk about alternatives, this doesn’t mean failing [in the] talks; we want them to succeed," Erekat told Maan, adding that "negotiation is a tool that is used to solve problems, not a goal in itself. If Israel made the talks fail, then we will go to the other options."
According to Ma'an report, the chief Palestinian negotiator said that the PA was also considering asking the United Nations Security Council to bilaterally recognize a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders.
Speaking of the possibility of sustaining the PA, amid fears the Palestinain government could collapse in the face of a terminal peace talks deadlock, Erekat said that "if Netanyahu chooses to keep the situation as it is, then what is the use of that?"
On Sunday, the London based Arabic-language daily Al-Hayat reported that Egypt had been contacting international and regional authorities in order to examine options regarding an international peace summit.
Egyptian sources told the newspaper that Egypt finds it hard to accept the continued settlement freeze and Israel's refusal to cooperate and take positive steps on the settlement issue.
"The impasse in the peace process must end in order to sustain the Palestinians' international rights," said an Egyptian source.
"An international summit would redefine the fundamentals and the borders of a Palestinian state that would be erected on the territories occupied in June of 1967, with Israeli settlements or without."
The Egyptian source also told Al-Hayat that "there is no escaping the need to find a suitable alternative that would keep the peace process alive, especially in light of the Israeli government's extreme rightist views."
"We will not stand with our hands tied while the Israeli government refuses to cooperate with the Palestinians. We have other options we must examine."
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Even if it works, what does it accomplish. If a Palestinian State is to survive, it has to have the "good will" of Israel whether it likes it or not. How long will it survive without Israel's co-operation?
children in Africa when UN 'Peacekeepers' raped them . UN is a den of thieves, perverts and scoundrels !
FACT : The non-state entity of Palestine is comprised of the territories outside of and bound by the actual Internationally recognized extent of Lebanese, Syrian, Jordanian, Egyptian & Israeli sovereignty. The actual legal status of the non-state entity of Palestine has not changed since Israel was declared independent from Palestine May 14th 1948 FACT : Jerusalem was never instituted as a corpus separatum by the UN, It's status was never legally changed from being a part of the non-state entity of Palestine FACT : Israel has never legally annexed any territories. It is inadmissible to 'acquire' territory by war. Territory can only be 'acquired' by legal annexation FACT : The territories Israel illegally acquired by war by 1950, but never legally annexed, are still legally a part of the non-state entity of Palestine.. (about 33% of the territory Israel claims as it's own) FACT : No actual borders were changed in '67 FACT : The extent of Israel's actual sovereignty is recognized only by the declared boundaries of May 14th 1948, which did not include some 33% of what it now claims. A Palestinian declaration according to the '67 armistice lines, will not change the extent of Israel's actual Internationally recognized sovereignty By declaring Sovereign Independence according to the '67 armistice lines, territories not Declared as Sovereign by the Palestinians and not Declared as Sovereign or legally annexed to Israel, will remain a non-state entity. Israel will finally have to either legally annex them, (legal annexation requires an agreement) OR occupy them. As the Occupying Power, Israel would then be duty bound to PROTECT THEM until they in turn have the ability to become indepndent. However, as a State, Palestine would also have the same right to legally annex or occupy FACT : The non-state entity of Palestine's name has not changed since Roman era. Under the Ottoman rule, the region was called Palestine. Under the Mandate, the region was called Palestine. FACT : Jordan was declared Independent of the non-state entity of Palestine in 1946. What remained was still called Palestine. FACT : Israel was declared Independent of the non-state entity of Palestine in 1948. . What remained was still called Palestine. Conundrum : If the Palestinians declare themselves independent of the non-state entity of Palestine and call themselves Palestine, what will the tiny non-state entity be called?
The whole question becomes moot.
This is the absolute worst thing too do if they are truly interested in peace with Israel and their own state aside it. All they are going too do is back Israel into a corner and it will likely lead to a massive round of terrorism as Hamas and friends will as usual be emboldened by this posturing by the Palestinians. In the end it will be as always ... The Palestinians getting a crushing response from Israel to their terrorism & incitement and rightfully so. The UN nor anyone else can impose peace in this conflict. What this comes down too is just another poor attempt to extend the talks and prevent any mutually agreeable solution too the conflict. The Palestinians wasted 10 months of settlement freeze to come back in at the end and demand more time. More time to waste ... do nothing but give demands and extend everything once again.
Israel should demasnd the PA to recognize Israel as a Jewish state before it renews peasce negotiations. This would help them in the PR campaign.
No one, except the Israel government of course, believes that the palestinians would be justified in sitting down to negotiate a palestinian state and security issues while Israel is simultaneously devouring the very territory to be designated for the Palestinian state. it defies the logic of diplomacy and is a slap in the face to the palestinians. There is no one in their right mind that would see the dedication of two schools in EJ as a threat to the Jewish state. No nation in the international community recognisers Israel's annexation of EJ and their desperate attempts to change the city's demographic realities. No one believes that the demand of Israel on the palestinians to recgonise Israel as a "Jewsih" state is legitimate as a demand for negotiating. Israel never levelled that demand before and it is seen as a tactic for undermining the negotiations. It demands that the palestinians not include the recognised question of the palestinian refugees which is a core topic for negotiations. Israel has never made a counter proposal of their own in regard to the refugees. It has never recognised the problem and they recognise that doing so would put them in a position where they would have to pay compensation. Israel is desperately trying to throw the ball back to the palestinians but this time round, they have outsmarted the netanyahu government and they have internatinal support on their side.
It's about time!!! What the Arab states should also let the UN know, is that if it does not force Israel to stop the building of sttlements, then the Arab states will pull out of the UN completely and cut off all ties with the USA, Britain, France and their allies.
"Arab states will pull out of theUN completely and cut off all ties with the USA, Britain, France and their allies." They have no practical use there at all other than to harass Israel. Wouldn't that be swell?
The so called letter to yahoo from Obama administration was in fact a very clever move to abstain from any new vote in the Security Council against Israel. Obama proposed a veto any Security Council resolution for a year against Israel and all other goody goody. Yahoo declined and Obama breathed a sign of relief. Now since the offer of US veto was declined, the fall back is No veto by US. The least response would be to abstain! Checkmate Yahoo!
Ice - You are exactly correct. Obama is far smarter than Nutty Yahoo and without the ideological baggage. Israel declined the US offer and therefore refused the eternal US Veto for it's repeated crimes. Israel seems incapable of grasping one very simple concept - When you are trapped at the bottom of a big, dark, hole then the most prudent course of action is to stop digging.
Or another option how About you go with ur stolen money where u come from and leave us alone
1) "You can fool some of the people all the time" (Evangelicals and Bible thumpers in the US midwest) 2) "You can fool all the people some of the time" (Peace talks) 3) "You can't fool all the people all the time" The emperor really has no clothes on and the game is finally over :)
Thank you BIBI and your coalition. You can just as well replace them by the Hevra Kadisha, we'll need them if you continue on this path of yours with the allies you have chosen.
you are what you are because of the allies. Your existence and strength to maintain that existence is due to the allies. Your allies have been your oxygen but of course by now you have so much military strength that came from the allies that you can be as arrogant as desired.
the international community may tip-toe around israel's disregard of international laws. or, it can look israel in the face and call it.
Insisting on a negotiated settlement has proven to be Israel's ticket to fending off a final status agreement while it continues to expand its encroachment at an accelerating pace! UN recognition of the Palestinian state is long overdue, and had it been done a decade or so ago, the logistical problem presented by Israel's illegal settlements would be a fraction of what they are today. Meanwhile, the problem has long since begun to grow almost logarithmically, and if the situation is allowed to continue unchecked much longer, Israel will have soon successfully stifled the possibility of a viable Palestinian state. It's time for US to stop catering to Israeli expansionism once and for all! It's time to end the greatest single contradiction of all time to the basic tenets upon which the United States was founded, and to the ideals which it espouses!
If Palestinians can't get Israel to surrender in negotiations they want the US to do it in the UN. The US has said it will not dictate a final result. Hamas got one thing right. If Palestinians want Israeli surrender they will have to fight their way in.
Palestinians should dissolve the PA and be part of Israel. One state is the solution. Good for Israelis and good for Palestinians in the long run! Mike
Will the arab citizens of the new one nation state (what do you propose to call it?) of two people or more accept the crazy idea of allegians to a jewish state?
Even if they were to become a part of Israel, would anything change? Would they be treated as equals and be given the same rights as the Jews? We all know full well how deep rooted the animosity between the 2 sides really is.
and become part of the US. The problem with you statement is that the Israeli aren't going to give citizenship to the very people who've been trying to destroy Israel for 3 generations. And no international body can or will be able to force Israel to give citizenship and equal rights to the Palestinians. The reality would be, without the PA, Palestinians would live in UN run, semi-autonomous bantustans on the West Bank. Gaza would remain and isolated, Hamas run enclave.
and become part of the US. The problem with you statement is that the Israeli aren't going to give citizenship to the very people who've been trying to destroy Israel for 3 generations. And no international body can or will be able to force Israel to give citizenship and equal rights to the Palestinians. The reality would be, without the PA, Palestinians would live in UN run, semi-autonomous bantustans on the West Bank. Gaza would remain and isolated, Hamas run enclave.
Afrikaaners also refused to grant equal rights and citizenship to blacks in South Africa. But in the end they were left with no other choice. The same will happen to Israel. It can't be left to the will of Israelis. Of course they won't accept. But it will be that or complete isolation from the world. It has been done before, it can be done again. As for Marco's worries about a continuation of the present discrimination against Arabs, once all Palestinians can vote, they will make sure their demands are heard. They are already 45%-50% of the inhabitants between the Jordan and the sea. Soon you'd see a Palestinian PM.
finally these people come together to stop the oppressor in their siege. USA should not always favor israel but rather be more fair and balanced. Countries around the world should also unite and relate to israel how much they are disgusted with israel's doings.
who is going to enforce the UN resolution? In the unlikely case that it passes the security council, that is. Direct talks are the only way to a palestinian state. And they will, sooner or later, lead to the term 'jewish state'.
Can the UN declare a very well published embargo and boycot against Israel? Can the people of the world do what was done for SA?
That is a really good question. The arabs really need to begin negotiating in good faith because any european or arab attempt to isolate and punish Israel will also isolate and punish the arab populations of Israel and in the gaza strip.
If Israelis keep procrastinating in the negotiations and refuse to stop building, the Americans may well decide not to keep mindlessly vetoing resolutions. If the resolution is passed and Israel doesn't comply, sanctions can be placed. Don't be so sure Israel is invulnerable. Obama's patience is wearing thin, and after Tuesday his hands will be free.
Nobody suggested the use of force against Apartheid South Africa either..... but the pressure that was brought to bear on that regime proved to be intolerable....
and two years from now, Obma will be a bad memory, not for Israeli's alone but, for Americans first who are fed up witht Obama's dreams of being an emperor.
what about them if they keep it up?
It was a temporary armistice line and not a border at Arab insistance by the way that only lasted for 18 years. The UN Security Council does not have the authority to elevate the status of armistice lines to that of being international borders without the agreement of both parties on either side of it to that effect. So, it's back to the negotiating table again. Oh dear, and what's Abbas going to do about Hamastan (the Gaza Strip)? Maybe he can get the UNSC to force Hamas to cede control of Gaza back to the PLO.
Israel broke the peace in 1967 by grabbing the land given Palestine by the U.N. in 1948. Nobody's fooled by this greedy land grab, we just haven't figured out how to protect good Jews while we take on the bad apples. The right wing is holding Israel hostage. It's beyond tragic.
Since it will be the PLO who will be declaring their state then it is THEY who will be "elevating the status of armistice lines to that of being international borders", not the UNSC. All the UNSC will be doing is saying "OK, we recognize that YOU have the authority to make that declaration". Which, indeed, the PLO does, because such a declaration will actually see them formally CEDING over 50% of the territory that properly is their's to Israel, and an Israeli refusal to recognize that will actually put everything between the Green Line and the Partition Line back into play.....
So then you would have two sovereign states negotiating borders instead of negotiating the right of the Palestinians to have a state. That would be a good thing.
All that the UNSC will do is to give their recognition to the PLOs right to make such a declaration (a declaration which will, let us not forget, involve the Palestinians forgoing over half of the territory that was allocated to them by the Partition Plan). And if Israel **doesn't** agree.... well, perhaps you should think some more about it, Jeff, because Israeli that intransigence may well bring the Partition Plan borders back onto the agenda.....
The Palestinians could have planned to go directly for condemnation of Israel because of construction in the occupied territories. After all, this is illegal according to international law. But they will go slow. If the Security Council demands ceasing construction, the US will probably vote 'Yes'. After all, this is what the US is advocating, and Obama will be in a mood of revenge against Netanyahu who offered counter-help in the US election campaign (ending to morrow). Step 2: After Israel continues construction, even on a small scale, the Palestinians will submit a resolution for condemnation. The earlier vote will make it easier for Obama not to veto it. The grand finale will be step 3: recognizing Palestine as a state within the 1967 borders. I doubt Obama will veto this in the face of Netanyahu's intransigence. Mind you, Labor would have left the coalition by then and perhaps Netanyahu would have fallen, so step 3 may not be necessary.
I know this is what you want, but it is very unlikely, Logios.
Kosovo declared independence, and the UN supported. Palestne can do the same. It is time for Palestinians to be released from their Israeli imprisonment.
Kosovo declared independence only on territory that they controlled (with the help of UN peace-keepers already in place). Also, 90% of the people of Kosovo were Kosovar-Albanians (with only a 10% Serb minority). Except for the local policing allowed by Israel in the West Bank,Abbas and the PA do not have any control over the territory he is claiming for a state, especially not Gaza. And, with the settlements in the West Bank, there would be a large minority of Israeli Jews living in the new State of Palestine.
its so transparent what they wanted to do. They never intended to sit down to talk. that was a smokescreen. They wanted talks to fail using the freeze's ending to insure blame fell on the israelis when in reality, they waited till the last minute to sit down, insuring that negotiations would never get done in a month...and obama either was ok with this strategy or not strong enough to call out the palestinians on this poor attempt to deceive. The party who clearly does not want to negotiate are the pals..they have calculated that they will get more from the UN and that obama will cave to the UN.
Only our colonies in the occupied territories help a lot all our oponents rivals and enemies.
but nice try.
Israelis need to stop fooling themselves. Those who have always cared for Israel are feed-up with their treatment of Palestinians. It's so vicious! Nobody but nobody believes the old Chosen Ones crap and Israelis shouldn't either. We are all on this earth together. Israelis need to join the world instead of trying to con us. How tragic things have come to this.
Merely because you insist on using sanitized language when you describe them? They are colonies, and the people who live in them are colonists, precisely because they exist to serve an Israeli policy of colonial expansionism. Simply calling them "settlements" and "settlers" does not change that reality.
would be disasterous for the US. It has already lost rememndous standing and respect in the Arab world and angered its greatest allies, Egypt and Jordan. A US veto would also be seen as a visible sign of the undue pressure Israel exerts on the US. It has really reached a point where most of the world finds this unbalanced relationship, so glaringly biased, to be a major detriment to achieivng a negotiated settlement. But it is not feasible that the US would vote against Israel. It is hard to even imagine an abstention, but what is clear is this US public stand supporting any move by Israel, regardless of how egregious, will not help the US position in the rest of the world. They are simply fed up with the power of the zionist lobby in the US and its effect on administration after administration.
Given that you now CLAIM to be an ISRAELI with ISRAELI citizenship, perhaps you would want a stronger Zionism. Let's remember, under the ZIONIST democracy, gays are open and free to do as they please in a democratic society. Under Islam, you would be hanged, unless of course, you were in a leadership position like Yasser Arafat or Mohammed, at which point you can "entertain" as many of your own sex or underage as you can please
"standing and respect in the Arab world and angered its greatest allies, Egypt and Jordan" ... ummm... really? Israel, despite the isue of settlements has LONG been an ally... get facts str8 pleaese before emotional posts..
Arie - WTF? so zionism is the torchbearer of homosexuality?? You must be smokin something to put up this comment. You are the one that must be busy "entertaining" those of your own
Maybe you'd like to tell that to the Orthodox Jews who have targetted homosexual parades on many occasions and called for them to be killed.
before going off. What I said is that in Israel, gays have full freedom including serving openly in the military. In Islam, the only freedom they are allowed is how to be killed
Even Haaretz, so openly Anti-Jew has had to admit (even in an article today) that gays enjoy full freedom here. My reserve unit has gays in it...open and honest to their own feelings!
You should track through the Sullivan Haaretz archives (he also posts them on the gay neo-nazi site realjewnews.com where he claims he is an Israeli living in Israel. I am sure you can google it. My post is straight (no pun intended) and to the point
Nothing emotional about it. Egypt and jordan are the greatest allies of the US from the Arab world. The are the cornerstones of US policy in the Arab world. They do not have the influence that Israel has, of course, in the US Congress. Nonetheless, both those allies in the Arab world are at their wits end over US policy of consistently rubber stamping Israeli policy or worse, not taking a public stand. Nothing emotional about that. Just fact.
You mean the Jewish National Front posters that went up in the Marais after his murder?
so they use the issue of homosexuality as their cover. They also use it whenever they wish to attack me or my opinions expressed here. They seem to forget that the perpetrators of the attack on the gay club in TA have not been found.
The Arabs know that (a) the USA will feel obliged to veto this, and they also know that (b) the USA will be horrified at the damage that veto will do to their own standing. So the Arabs will conclude that (c) the only way to MAKE THE AMERICANS GET OFF THEIR ARSE AND DO SOMETHING is the prospect of this going to the UNSC for a vote. Which is, of course, exactly what they are threatening to do i.e. this is "wedge politics", and played very skillfully.
by Abbas that the so-called negotiations by the Palis were just a subterfuge. This is about dismantling Israel, not about peace or a just solution!
hey my little buddy Arie, even if true, is there anything wrong in dismantling israel? it should be dismantled peacefully and jews sent where they came from. Their rights in the middle east have not existed in centuries.
They are just calling for an end to the ongoing land grab that Israel is perpetrating in Palestine, and a recognition of a Palestinian state on their side of the Green Line. It has nothing to do with dismantling Israel. Israel will keep existing... on its side of the line.
You sound like a Priest Jacob. Trolling a "Jewish" (if you can really call Haaretz that) web site for recruits?
Thank G-d their efforts are aborted. It is and always was about dismantling Israel. We have a saying that fits this, NEVER AGAIN!
Netanyahu declared his acceptance of a Palestinian state in June 2009, after running for elections on a platform of "no Palestinian state, only autonomy". He did not call for a government discussion and acceptance of this, nor for an internal Likud debate on this deviation from their basic ideology. But let us assume that Netanyahu was sincere. The Palestinians however had every reason to doubt it, and they demanded something that will show real intent, a TOTAL freeze of building in East jerusalem and West Bank. They did not demand it from Olmert, who already demonstrated his sincerity. What Netanyahu offered was a PARTIAL freeze: No freeze in Jerusalem, and in WB freeze outside the line of built area of settlements. Within the settlements, there was no freezing. Abbas insisted on Full freeze (which is actually what international law demands). For a partial freeze Abbas negotiated indirectly. Finally, under US pressure, he agreed to move to direct negotiations. Should this be seen as "waste of an opportunity"? I think Abbas' position was reasonable: If Netanyahu cannot do a freeze, how can you expect him to push for an actual evacuation of settlements? The present situation seems to justify such doubts.
At the same time will the Arab states get the UN to stop Saudi Arabia donating money to Arabs to purchase Jewish land in the Negev. Ofcourse its easy for the Arabs to go to the UN when they control it.
at the same time will our u.s governments stop sending our tax payers money to Israel
edifice must be perked up high on his/her edifice complex - making no sense whatsoever.
"Decisions of the Security Council on all other matters shall be made by an affirmative vote of nine members including the concurring votes of the permanent members; provided that, in decisions under Chapter VI, and under paragraph 3 of Article 52, a party to a dispute shall abstain from voting." - Chapter V, Article 27, section 3 And how can this fantasy of the UN enforcing a Settlement freeze happen while Israel controls the USA veto in the UN Security Council?
with his continued postings that the "Jews control" all, any semblance of charade that he is not an avowed Antisemite has fallen by the wayside.
Looking at the willful lack of a BHO response to the terror attacks against Texas and Arizona by Hezbollah funded terrorists selling their drugs, it is obvious BHO and his House Jews are controlled-by the Syrian brigade known as Hezbollah
'Bama, do you understand me now/ Sometimes I feel a little mad/ But don't you know that no one alive can always be an angel/ When things go wrong I seem to be bad/ But I'm just a soul whose intentions are good/ Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood// 'Bama, sometimes I'm so carefree/ With a joy that's hard to hide/ And sometimes it seems that all I have do is worry/ Then you're bound to see my other side/ But I'm just a soul whose intentions are good/ Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood//
The truth shall set you free: http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/kouri011607.htm http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2531271/posts
". . .terror attacks against Texas and Arizona by Hezbollah funded terrorists . . ." - Christopher That is a truly insane rant.
The US has always vetoed what Israel wanted vetoed for many decades. I cannot imagine Obama having the guts to stand up to Netanyahu and risk alienating an important democrat constituency.
The Pals don't expect the USA to sit on its hands **DURING** a vote in the Security Council. They expect that the USA would feel obliged to veto any such resolution, but they **ALSO** expect that this prospect is appalling to the Americans that they will GET OFF THEIR BUTTS and do whatever it takes to stop this getting to the floor of the Security Council.
some are good, some are terrible, but this excercise in of itself is good for nation building, especially for the Pals. The nation of refugees, ignored by the west, cynically used by arabs/ muslims, turned "freedom fighters," is starting to achieve real political maturity. In the long term, i think israel will start to see the Pals in a different light. perhaps this new culture of political creativity is the game changer we've all been waiting for...
You threatened to declare a Palestinian state 2 years ago. They still build in our territories. Abbas and company have embarassed what Fatah stood for and that was being the legitimate representatives of the Palestinian people in Palestine and worldwide. Safe bet you'd find a majority in the UN that would support a bilateral declaration of Palestinian statehood. What's the problem? After all, Israel bilaterally tries setting facts on teh ground in the WEST BANK, an area where they have enjoyed peace for years now. It's obvious Israel has no intent in making peace and ending this conflict. They want to drive out ever last Palestinian out of their homeland.
Just as all the Muslim states also do with their pals. Not very popular, these pals, are they? Seems the pals have screwed up everything they touch. No wonder the Israeli's want them out of Israel, for the pals, it's a taste of their own medicine. There is only one small Israel, she has every right to want the pals gone.
The US always covers for Israel. Israel will never have to face up to it's crimes.
If he does, he may just loose hope at a second term. he will blame Israel in part and push peace down Israels throat. Since he controls the US vote at the UN there is no one to stop him but impeachment. An attempted impeachment on behalf of Israeli supporters would be huge victory for Obama. It would prove once and for all the the US congress is controlled by Israel. This is the best way for Obama to win in 2012.
I have had it also with netanunu and his fanatics. BUT do not forget the jews in washington. Face it is there any other reason USA would like israel so much?
to have the whole world recognize the Israeli / Palestinian borderwhich existed in 1967, and end the occupation.
Israel does not care what world opinion is, but they do care about money. If this UNSC res. includes sanctions already attached for non compliance then I think Israel might listen. If it does not then it will be a waste of paper.
Then why talk about what you will talk about? Just do it.
Appropriatenand logical. Israel continues with actions which isolate it from the world community. And from it's better self.
Israel i sisolated always. The delusion of being not isloted is one created by those who want to destroy Israel, waiving the flag of 'islolation' as bait. So long as Israel barks she is 'loved', when she refuses to bark, she is 'isolated' until she she 'complies'. Israel reacts like a pavlovian livni, I mean dog. No longer can Israel be a livni
The fact is that I can travel anywhere in the world (except Islamic terrorist states) just as I did 40 years ago , with no problem, I can buy anything anywhere just as I did 40 years ago with no problem..Im guessing this really bothers you. Its OK to dream, we are all free to do so. But try and keep your feet on the ground or youll float to your 72 virgins.
Sorry we don't buy your tales anymore. Religious theocracy of zionism as bad or worse than Islamic radicalism. I am equally disgusted by Iran or Israeli state.