Netanyahu: Hamas has obtained anti-aircraft missiles
Israel's aerial freedom has been compromised by new weaponry in Gaza, presumably smuggled through tunnels connected to Egypt, PM tells Likud members for the first time.
By Haaretz Service and The Associated Press Tags: Israel news Palestinians Hamas GazaGaza's Hamas rulers have obtained anti-aircraft missiles, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Monday, in a potentially game-changing development that could threaten the Israeli air force's ability to strike at the Islamic militant group.
Israeli aircraft have long dominated the skies over Gaza, striking suspected Hamas military installations and assassinating dozens of wanted militants. The Israeli air force played a key role in a fierce three-week offensive in Gaza early last year, which began with airstrikes that killed hundreds of Hamas fighters.
Speaking to his Likud Party, Netanyahu disclosed that Israel's aerial freedom has been compromised by the new weaponry in Gaza, presumably smuggled into the area through tunnels connected to neighboring Egypt. He said any future peace agreement would have to include security arrangements to deal with the threat.
Israel believes that despite its military offensive and Egypt's stated goal of halting arms smuggling, Hamas has managed to restock its arsenal with longer-range missiles that can strike the heart of Israel.
Netanyahu's assessment was the first time an Israeli official has openly said Hamas also possesses anti-aircraft weaponry, though intelligence officials have privately suspected that was the case.The security problem is not just the new rockets that will enter the area and will threaten city centers. "I don't know if you know this, but today we are struggling to fly near Gaza because they have anti-aircraft missiles there", Netanyahu said.
He warned that the missiles could also threaten air traffic at Israel's international airport. Israel's security needs are real, the solutions have to be real, not on paper. We need to find long-term solutions that give Israel security, he said.
Netanyahu gave no evidence to support his claim, and Hamas accused the Israeli leader of spreading propaganda to justify future attacks in Gaza.
"These remarks reflect the intention of the Zionist enemy to commit more crimes and more future aggression against our people, taking advantage of the American support and the Arab silence," said Fawzi Barhoum, a Hamas spokesman in Gaza.
"We emphasize that the Palestinian people have the right to defend themselves against any future aggression and this is a national and holy duty," he added.
Barhoum refused to say whether Hamas has anti-aircraft weapons.
Hamas has fired thousands of rockets and missiles into Israel in recent years, though it has largely refrained from attacks since Israel's offensive.
On Sunday, an Israeli airstrike killed two Gaza militants who Israel says were preparing to fire rockets over the Gaza border. The Israeli military said more than 165 rockets and mortar shells have been fired at Israel from Gaza so far this year, a significant drop from the numbers before the 2009 war.
Hamas is a not a party to the newly restarted Israeli-Palestinian peace talks, which are currently deadlocked over Israel's refusal to extend restrictions on Jewish settlement construction in the West Bank.
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Militants in the Central Gaza Strip October 10, 2010. |
| Photo by: Reuters |
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So soon Israel will use drones with air to ground missiles.
The worst is that the terrorists could use them on civil planes . The Hamas is not like Tsahal, very regarding about the difference between civils ans militaries !!!!
If any of them had half a conscience they would refuse to be involved in their government's violence against a people who only want their sovereign rights and human rights respected..... My, what a big task that is for a state out of control with its shameful military power towards a mostly defenseless population under the age of 17yrs.... Indeed. refusing is also a somewhat deceptive word there to use there in that morally and legally twisted land as it suggest not honor ing the state's when in fact it is honoring the state and the rule of law at a time when the Israeli govern- ment & army fails to represents the rule of law & human decency towards its neighbors rights. Yet I believe the real blame lies with the spinel- ess lawmakers in the Israeli judiciary for allow- ing the Israeli government and army to twist the law when it should be upholding it also.... What shame they bring on all Jews today.... Dutch
when in essence they are all wrong and unjust. In 2004 a panel of 14 justices at the Hague said israeli forces must remove themselves from the Palestinian territories and that goes for along the border of Gaza and its air space. Hence any soldier who refuses to serve in such an unlawful capacity is upholding the rule of law not lowering it as Israeli officials & army officials are doing today......Disgusted Dutch P.S. Remember , two and two still makes four --not what the boss says it is.(Stand for the truth.. That's real patriotism....)
that it must even hurt Israelis. Everybody should just lay down and wait to be killed by Israel???
Know why the Arabs are silent? They don't trust you either.
and is consistent with the Oslo Accords supporters stating in 1993-4 that "if the PLO breaches agreements ...we will immediately return and abolish the PA "
there will be another strike to curb the pressure of building illegal settlements. 60 years of experience shows us this.
EVERY LIVING CREATION HAVE RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF MR.N
Sharon should wake up and sort out once and for all the mess that he has created since Bibi just can't handle it
Childish crap. Has this man got a brain???
Why the hell bother with weapons that Israel has developed ways to neutraize over 20 years ago?? Why waste your time with predictable and ineffective things like primitive missiles? If you really want to terrorize Israel, just declare you want Gaza to be part of it and vote in the knesset, serve in the army, etc..
(1) The PM is bluffing. However, the probability is low since many others (Pres. and Mrs. Clinton) have been saying the same thing for some time.--(2) Egypt in all probability is permitting this restocking of Hamas weapons. --- What should we do? You know the answer.
why does Israel has to be interrogated by a bunch of people who do not represent anything. Because they (hamas) is not a country or a legal and recognized entity, BS
it's absolutely great news. The coward IDF will only attack defenseless targets.
For each homemade rocket we are told 'terrorizes' there are at least nine Israeli shells on Gaza that bring death and destruction to Gazans who are already forced to live in constant horror and humiliation. You are also ignoring the fact that Israel helped Hamas rise in the 1980s to defeat the PLO and then when the PLO ceased being effective advocates for its people, it embraced it and sidelined Hamas. Zionism is the ethnic cleansing of all Palestinians from their land. You can’t accuse Hamas while ignoring all the right wingers in Israel who call for the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. You’re a hypocrite and not very good one at that. Hamas is not going to go away and they are not occupying anyone's land and practicing apartheid and oppression. Israel is.
it still doesn't make anything even close to a level field.
In December 2008 Israeli security official was singin the same song "Gaza militants can hit more Israeli cities with longer-range rockets" http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2008/12/21/2008-12-21_hamas_missiles_spark_israeli_threat.html So, why don't/didn't they use it ??? ,...
If good flow into Gaza from both Israel and Egypt through the checked areas, then why are Hamas terrorists given free rein to smuggle missiles, anti aircraft batteries? This is so ridiculous? The whole point of Cast Lead was to avoid this. So what now?
"I don't know if you know this, but today we are struggling to fly near Gaza because they have anti-aircraft missiles there", Netanyahu said. And if you didn't fly near Gaza, they wouldn't need anitaricraft misslies, now would they?
Because Hama's has stationary anti-air weapons that cannot be shot from anywere BUT the Gaza strip? That just means Israel cannot violate Palestinian sovereignty by violating the Gazan airspace. At least now, the Hama's has a ready system to defend themselves from any intrusions. You keep them out of Israel, they keep you out of Palestine. It's only fair.
Can you imagine how quickly Israel would declare that sort of thing illegal, and an act of warfare? What if the Palestinians started blocking construction materials, water treatment supplies, and letting in only the barest of minimums of food and medicine, and only a trickle of fuel? What if, for security reasons, they closed the route to passenger traffic during Ramadan? What if they were slow in letting goods in, and glacial in letting goods out?
Maybe Israel can be disuaded from dropping one ton bombs on Gaza residential neighborhoods killing many innocent civilians.
Did you just start following this conflict in the last year? Did the Palestinian Propaganda finally brainwash you ok? Are you basically just scared of the Muslims and you know the Muslims are the only ones who kill innocent people and that is why you are siding with them?
Did I mention that Israel should take over a security strip al;ong the egypt/gaza border so that the tunnels could be interdicted and smuggling stopped. Why, yes I did! Now get to it!
I seriously doubt that Hamas could pose a legitimate threat to the Israeli Air Force, even if they actually do possess these anti-aircraft missles. Hamas has never had the technological sophistication or tactical ability to undermine Israel's objectives in the region. Finally, if Israel really wants to solve the problem they should make Gaza a parking lot and blow to hell all the scum bad terrorists that infest the region.
I have always wondered why Hamas did not have aniti-aircraft missle capability up till now. i guess Israeli intelligence was able to stop the import. Well now if this is the new reality then the IAF can take a break and the army can use their ground to ground missiles when needed. Now Hamas needs to decide their next dilemna. What to do with these anti-aircraft missiles. Use them against the IAF or just shoot down any plane approaching or leaving Ben-Gurion airport. If the latter is decided and a commercial plane is shot down then the case needs to be brought before the UN and the country of origin of the commercial plane. That should prove to be very interesting for the UN.
GOOD!
think twice before dropping bombs and firing missiles at children, schools, hospitals, power plants, sewage treatment facilities, stores, factories, etc. And maybe a few Israeli families will feel the same pain that so very many Pal families feel, when they lose their loved ones. And maybe that will start to make a few more Israeli's truly interested in peace.
Think the Mubarak regime isn't behind Iranian weapons smuggling to Gaza? Then why does virtually none of this weaponry manage to get diverted to the numerous, violent anti-Mubarak groups in Egypt - that's the deal Mubarak has with Iran. Any peace deal on the W. Bank must place Israel in permanent total control of the Jordan River Valley boundary with Jordan (not feasibleto tunnelunder) - to make arms smuggling into the demilitarized PA state physically impossible. UN and NATO troops have proven 100% worthless in Lebanon, a non-starter. And US troops in Iraq and Afgan have had no luck controlling the arms flow. Israel must have a free hand - or NO Palestinian state. Period.
and your point is?
The Palestinians probably have shoulder-fired anti-air missiles, and probably had them for a long time. With no radar, what is the chance they will hit a plane at Ben-Gurion Airport. I take it that IDF helicopters have been using "flares" or other defensive measures to protect themselves from heat-seeking missiles. Must be an old story. Why is Netanyahu starting his fear-mongering now? I take it that his real goal is to imply that if Gazans have gotten such missiles, so will West bankers. Solution: Let us keep the occupation going
The UN General Assembly confirmed in 1970 that peoples who are fighting for their freedom can use whatever methods and weapons they can lay their hands on.
What will Israel do now?
and give it the time to regroup and rearm.The same mistake repeated again with Hezbollah. Do you really want to live in peace in Israel?
Gaza's Hamas rulers have obtained anti-aircraft missiles, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Monday.
We (Condi Rice and the State Dept,etc) and YOU, Israel, let this happen. Israel is at war ,fighting for its survival….and it is long past due for Barak,Olmert,Livni,and the readers and editors of Ha'aretz to recognize that sniping for political advantage wlll destroy you…Hamas with advanced weapons is a true game changer.
Live by the gun die by the gun!! Isn't that how the saying goes. Im sure Israel knows all about Hi-tech military equipment, that is given as a present by papa smurf ( United States of how much do you need Israel ) ... maybe Israel can fight an equipped enemy now rather than a few firecrackers and fireworks..haha
answer,nothing, nadda,zilch, proves once again,leftis'm is a severe mental disease,and is suicidal
This was inevitable. After a while, the weaker try to even the playing field. It is very unfortunate, if this is true, that this situation is getting from bad to worse. This is why Israel must, at any cost, try to achieve peace for all. This is not good for either side, and should have been prevented. Arrogance and greed should not stand in the way of peace.
...then hit Hamas targets in Gaza with a vengeance!
put drone production into high gear and produce alot of them. They can't have too many of these anti aircraft weapons...
This means using that money more efficiently. There's a limit to their stock of anti aircraft missiles, so... use the oldest aircraft you've got and send them first. Deplete their missiles on old technology, old aircrafts, or use chaff.
all people of the world have a right to self defense, especially the pals considering the inhuman abuse and war crimes committed against their entire population..i.e white phosphorus shells, UN shelter shelling etc, etc, etc
And by the way the IDA 1st strike was against unarmed policemen not Hamas fighters as stated in the article It was during their graduation ceremony. Around sixty were killed on their parade ground. Thats a war crime.
Yeah, freedom to murder at will.
Yeah, and Hamas launching rockets and mortar's seemed to be missing from your comment. Weird, I guess your forgot?
Darren have made a comment right on the point of the matter. Hope Hamas have got several hundreds of these antiaircraft rockets which presumably was given as a gift by the American taxpayer as a token of regret for the earlier stupidity of supplying Israel with weapons of mass destruction..
Look in your local newspaper and tell me how many Moslems are killing each other on a daily basis. Does not matter if it is in Iraq, Pakistan, or Afghanistan. Those are the big ones....no need to mention the smaller countries. If Israel did not have the deterrent then Israel would have been eradicated long ago. This is not recent stuff from 1967, my God this has been going on since 1929. When are you going to wake up and see the truth.
This is just another way of Netanyhoo to get out of peace talks. After the US november elections, Obama will come down hard on Israel. Netanyhoo will bomb Gaza again over this to stop all chances of peace
In law its referred to "self-defense".
Is this an official statement or what? Speaking to his own party, why isn't he speaking to the whole of the Knesset? I'm just curious.
They don't have the radar or longer range missiles that are a real threat to high flying F-16/15 doing bombing runs. Israel has enough artillery around Gaza to level it will out aircraft but lacks the precision of laser guide bombs that can take out a single car if needed.
if hamas can achieve surface to air..what else can the do?
Anti-aircraft missiles are defensive weapons. Palestinians have a right to defend themselves against constant terror from Israeli occupiers. It is Israel that violates the sovereignty of all neighboring countries and kills civilians on a daily basis. What makes you think they have no right to self defense?
This is just Bibi playing pre-emptive politics by adding another excuse in the "blame the Palestinians" bag when peace talks fail. "I don't know if you know this, but today we are struggling to fly near Gaza because they have anti-aircraft missiles there" Really? That statement is so silly, a 10 y/o could have come up with a more convincing one.
Anti-aircraft missiles are defensive weapons. Palestinians have a right to defend themselves against constant terror from Israeli occupiers. It is Israel that violates the sovereignty of all neighboring countries and kills civilians on a daily basis. What makes you think they have no right to self defense?
WHAT LAND DOES ISRAEL OCCUPY. ARABS SOLD LAND TO JEWISH NATIONAL FUND. ARAB COUNTRIES INVADED ISRAEL AGAIN ANS AGAIN. LOSSERS LOST LAND. SO STOP YOUR CRYING. DIDNT ISRAEL GIVE BACK GAZAY AND THE INDUSTRY . POOR POOR PAL.
Why plan for a war that will cost lives and treasure, and avoid doing the smart thing: get on with it. Negotiate a peace deal, and marginalize Gaza. It will likely want to join later.
I think your post is even in vein since I doubt they check the internet.
It is NOT that easy to create Peace when the Holy Book has decreed that the land belongs to us.
It is entirely possible that Hamas has acquired Man Portable Air Defense Systems. Such systems have been around for over 40 years and in the hands of terrorists for 35. It is also entirely possible that Netanyahu is being less than honest as there have been no reports of any man portable air defense weapons used by Hamas.
You usually claim to know everything going on. Yet you do not know for sure which missles if any, Hamas has.
This is not news and has no importance . Israeli Aircraft have taken extensive defensive measures for Anti Aircraft missles for many , many years...
I remember a bit of trouble with the SAM-6 System during the Yom Kippur War. Needless to say the IDF helicopters have infra-red choppers and the aircraft flares and other jamming systems. Thus only the very latest MANPADs would constitute a major threat. Still, when your used to cruising around safe and sound and suddenly have to think about getting whacked it is bound to have an effect upon efficiency.
With the development of the M982 Excalibur, precision guided artillery shell, there is much less need for Israeli aircraft to be put in a position of danger. In addition, Gaza Strip can have its electricity and water supplies cut off, at a moment's notice.
since when does isrl have exclusive rights to self defence?
Wow, you people really are gunning for that trial in the Hague, aren't you? Cutting off water supplies is not only a warcrime, but also a crime against Humanity, as it is an essential key to survival. Then again, you've already shown that you don't care how many international laws you break, or how many warcrimes you commit.
Who would want Israel to lose its accustomed privilege to imprison, control and kill Gazans like fish in a barrel, and without shedding a single drop of the much more valuable Jewish blood.
it could well be true, or a tactic for some new incursion. the only security is not another round of accelerating arms, but rather discussions. and if Hamas won't talk, then israel should resume the talks with the PA. an independant thriving west bank is a better answer to Hamas than anti rocket rockets.
But I can't think of a time when he told the truth.
BOO, Bibi, boo!
Having trouble flying near Gaza,what a bunch of lies. Oneday, israelies will wake up to childish stories and see that the train of possible peace with the arabs is long gone.
(one day the Israelis will wake up to find the train of peace has gone). Then the israelis will sit in a stil standing train and pretend that it is moving, Bibi and Liberman will be singing chuka chuka tut tuut and tell the world that the peace train is in reach.
It will be of no concern to them because they will have reunified Israel by then.
Because there are at least a billion Jew haters on earth, compared to 13 million Jews. Because the huge, blind mass of Jew haters are so entrenched in Jew hate that they cannot and will not see that it is hereditary by now - multitudes of the later faiths which took ideas from Judaism had no choice but to say that Jews are wrong in order to say their faiths are right - for generations. No trouble still for us to fly near Gaza, and one day you will wake up to sharia law in the U.S. and Europe and see that your childish hope for democracy by appeasing sick terror is long gone.
The only "peace" Arabs will agree to is that of dhimmitude. The very idea that an independent non-Arab/Muslim country exists in the Middle East is unacceptable to Islam.
Israel can bomb Gaza from standoff positions and use UAV's. Less accuracy and more collatoral damage. But, like the last war, it was of hamas own choosing. Goldstone won't save anybody Arab or Jew in the next round-He is there to blame Israel after the war, of hamas choosing.
Israeli intransigence is the cause of Hamas getting these weapons. First, you call for democratic elections. Then you scream and shout when the DEMOCRATICALLY elected government is not the one you wanted. You then isolated them, and tried to cut off their funding. These actions only served to raise their ire, which is understandable. I mean, you have a terrorist entity running the show (Likud,) yet you weren't isolated, although you should've been. Now, despite Israel constantly violating Gazan airspace, which many people can make a case for being an act of war, you have the gall to get upset because the leadership sought a way of defending their airspace. The hypocrisy is astounding.
"..threaten the (IAF's) ability to strike at the Islamic militant group...airstrikes that killed hundreds of Hamas fighters...security arrangements to deal with the threat...struggling to fly near Gaza..." Threat from anti aircraft missiles? Aerial freedom to kill civilians? What lovely narrative, what pathetic piece of propaganda!
..to pick up more ammo! *gathers pieces of his broken heart*
then Western airlines will have to re-evqaluate whether it is safe to fly to BenGurion Airport. and whilst doing this evaluation halt all flights. That should smoke out if despite the blockade (illegal I might add) HAMAS has recieved anti aircraft missiles. Which during Cast Lead they did not possess.
And with all that still calling a weapons embargo illegal. lol, are you even trying? Come back to us when you're sober.
What gives the IDF the right to fly over Gaza?
when they come to bomb gazan children
What gives the Hamas the right to launch missiles into Sderot?
The Oslo Accord gives the IDF the right to fly over Gaza.
It doesn't matter that Israel is obliged and will continue to defend it's citizens. The only thing in this picture that baffles me is why Israel provide Gaza 70%of it's electricity so they can make more missiles, while Hamas is spitting in the well it drinks from.
Yup, Bibi just mentions missiles from Hamas and Israelis are terrorized, no proof, job still done, and as for the electricity, good question could it be because they are still obliged to under international law as the power in charge, i.e occupier? or is it purely business?
An interesting facet of invaders is that they only see the world in terms of their interests. If Israel is obliged and will continue to defend its citizens, isn't that also true about Hamas? AA missiles in Gaza are strictly defensive; their purpose is to prevent Israel from striking whatever it wants in Gaza whenever it feels like it.
Israel provides 70% of Gaza's electricity because they have repeatedly bombed the power plant in Gaza, and they have a responsibility under international humanitarian law to provide basic necessities for an occupied people (as Israel controls Gaza's Land borders, Sea and Air). Trying to improve it's capabilities in order to terrorize more Israelis? If these speculations are true, then what exactly would these weapons be used for? They are ground to air defensive weapons, which would be used to attempt to shoot down F16s and Apache attack helicopters. Perhaps Hamas is attempting to defend themselves and Gazans from Israeli State Terrorism?
from [http://english.aljazeera.com/news/articles/34/Elders-Call-Gaza-Situation-Shocking.html]
and use its anti-aircraft missles! Enough is enough!
Israel controls who gets in and out of it's own borders, the fact that Gaza borders Israel (And Egypt, mind you) and has a weapons embargo on them doesn't mean it's occupied. To be occupied you need presence. Was Cuba occupied by the USA? that's right. I believe we should start cutting electricity, or at the VERY LEAST use it logically. For every missile launched at Israel, cut 5% power. Restore it by 5% for every week no missile is fired. That's very fair and logical, and not clinically insane for the supplier.
Israel controls who gets in and out of it's own borders, the fact that Gaza borders Israel (And Egypt, mind you) and has a weapons embargo on them doesn't mean it's occupied. To be occupied you need presence. Was Cuba occupied by the USA? that's right. I believe we should start cutting electricity, or at the VERY LEAST use it logically. For every missile launched at Israel, cut 5% power. Restore it by 5% for every week no missile is fired. That's very fair and logical, and not clinically insane for the supplier.
A terrorist team launching more daily missiles at Israeli urban centers? Yes, what a poor target that needs protection.
You twist the whole truth around, potobac. Israel is out of Gaza. Hamas expelled Fatah, threw them from rooftops, tortured them and jilled them. It has launched rockets into Israel for 10 years now, thousands of them. There is no excuse for that terrorism. There isn't a single Israeli civilian or soldier in Gaza. And now you call their actions "defensive". How twisted can a biased mind work, its whole fundament is lies.
and did not shoot other missiles into Israel, there would be no reason for IDF to fly over, and no reason for the AA missiles either. Hamas is in position to stop the cycle at any time. IDF is not.
That's because the ground war will be far more viscious and far less surgical. Israelis will suffer but my gosh I think this is a disastor for Gazans.
Cast Lead and over 1300 dead civilians with over 300 of those being children. Should Israel think of an encore beware because this time around there will be enough recording devices about to ensure that the reprehensible war criminals responsible for atrocities committed will be heading straight to The Hague without stopping for go. Perish the thought for the obnoxiously righteous Israelis.
and the gazans are living a disaster
Some people on here seem to think they know everything about war and tactics. May i suggest you fight one first before you start preaching about one....
why do you think they want this war to happen. the more dead arabs the easier it will be to take their land.
And righteous Israelis are obnoxious to you? Tsk, Tsk Tsk. I wonder if you'll have all NATO generals, soldiers, and the politicians of their countries sent to the Hague, along with every Hamas terrorist. No? Just Israelis? I'm afraid that won't do :-)
will enjoy a front seat,real time,3D view on his widescreen tv,enjoying every blood soaked moment.somewhere outside palestine.
Seems that there are a lot of people here who hate Israel, because CNN told them so. Israel has a right to defend itself, and being so small, while surrounded by an angry Muslim world makes it even more of a challenge. Netanyahu is trying his best to make sure everyone understands the danger. Also I find it remarkable that after operation cast lead, Hamas fired a lot less rockets.
or do you even agree that is pushing the definition of truth too far? Hamas has arms because you do, oh and because you're stealing Palestinian land.
please answer this with specific's, not b.s. .
..of land posed a threat. Please be realistic. Hamas arms because they are a fascist fundamentalist regime, which relies on power to control.
Hamas has weapons because it likes to kill Jews.
The score is telling…at this point 22 to 10 in favor of those who want every Israeli dead.
it is called self dence, not the kind you fight for because the kind you fight for is to secure stolen lands there is a big difference between the 2.
Likud and Yisrael Beiteinu, who rely on extreme racism and terrorist behavior/thoughts to control? Both parties cannot in any way, shape, or form be called parties that are interested in peace.
Well, lets see.... at a minimum, accepting internationally recognized 242/1967 borders, everything that israel has annexed and occuped since! ....every meter of West Bank land taken for settlements, settler roads, roadblocks, water resources, etc. And also every centimeter of East Jerusalem that's been taken for settler housing and the wall!
All Israeli occupied land East of the Green Line is stolen land. Need I be more specific?
Land not legally annexed, not recognized by the stakeholders, ie the Palestinians IS STOLEN. 250 UN res against Israel illegal and belligerent occupation says land IS STOLEN.
borders is part of the non-state entity of Palestine. Israel's sovereign borders are the ones it declared and gratefully accepted when it became a state. Israel has never legally annexed any land outside those borders. None.
against everyone living in Palestine
From an Israeli source. That's blatant theft, Mr. Brasen...
by building aircraft yourself you might have figured that your enemy get some anti-aircraft stuff, no?
Now they could take down our beloved pilots anytime. Worst, they probably want those for easier target - Passenger Planes. Netanyahu must be swift and demand, once and for all, the control of Palestinians airspace and control of the Jordan if they want peace.
you will beg for Palestinians to not to be kicked out to europe russia or whever ever you came to occupy the land in the name of you 2000 year old ancestors.
First you spew garbage by calling a flotilla with peace activists as a Terror flotilla...you boarded that vessel and what weaponry did you find? Ziltch, nadda, nothing! Then you want to strike gaza without impunity. Next you'll be asking the Pals to please wear bullseyes on their forheads to make targeting easier...honestly, you're way too much to even deal with.
What about controling the egyptien, syrien and lebanese airspace and see trafic ?
will be the day peace is had
It's a two way street, bud. Hamas can't launch random rockets in to land that is occiupied by innocent civilians and not excpect to have any repercussions. Hamas is considered a terrories organization by the EU, Canada, US and Israel, not just by Israel. For god sake, they use school's to launch their rockets because they want to use the children as shields. I think you are blind and naive to the fact that Hamas really need to rethink how they are gonna approach this. Not saying Israel is right, but don't be so closed minded.
If you choose the standard of indigenous for people who are permitted to stay, almost all Pals are gone!
The peace activists who attack soldiers with knives, bats, rods and crowbars?
and occupied what was then Byzantium ....
I know for sure the Hamas will use the rockets only to defend themselve, so what's the problem?
Your blockade brought about the creation of a widespread tunnel network in the first place. Had the only tunnels been arms tunnels, they could all have been easily blocked.
I'm still cracking over Paulus' comment...
Correct. How twisted can you be to believe the Floatilla's goal was peace? Have you watched any of the videos. I did not know peace activists to throw people off boats, hit them with metal bars and carry expired medicine.
Palestinians also call themselves Arabs, who have 21 states already. Who's stealing whose land? How greedy can you get?
Why not just take control of the entire ME? LOL
just a small question??? do you realy know who created HAMAS.???? The answer is well known , it was Israel, and now asking the international community to clean after them.
Have you forgotten the fact that Israel released VERY heavily edited videos of the account, and that the unedited tapes the pirates seized were never shown the light of day?
You say Hamas use the children as human shields. Israeli IDF reserve troops live amongst the Israeli civilian population. Does this mean that the IDF use their own people as human shields? If not, the reserve IDF soldiers should live in army camps away from people who may get hurt when Hamas fires missiles at them?. Don't you see how rediculous your argument is?
The claim is the missiles were smuggled through tunnels.
Logic, Justify the use of Phosperous on civilians, Justify the murder of over four chrildren. Justify using blockbuster bombs on civilian houses and the shooting of women under the white flag of truce. Justify the use of the IAF, Navy and an ARMY with tanks against a people that did'nt have Air Force, Navy and Tanks.
...no, wait a second i need my reading glasses, its expired medicines HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !