Mortar shell from Gaza explodes between two day-care centers in south

What about East-Jerusalem? Or the Golan Heights? How about right of return for 1948 refugees and all their offspring? You will never run out of excuses to justify deliberate murder of our children.

Golan Heights must East Jerusalem also be returned. As for right of return, that is a big question. I would like to see all refugees have the right of return and compensation but that will not happen (this is the big problem) What I would do is the following All Palestinians who had property and lost it with the property absentee laws should be compensated with money and/or property in israel. They can chose which one. The refugees who take the property in israel should have to pledge loyalty to Israel and serve in the IDF. Current arab isralis should not have to pledge an oath as they are Israeli and but should have to serve in the IDF Jews in the Westbank that decide to stay should also have to pledge an oath to Palestinian and serve in the Palestinians defense force. Arabs in Israel and jews in the Westbank who chose not to serve there respective country or make trouble should be incarcerated with the option to leave the counrty

Once there is no more occupation and a peace agreement that is fair to the Palestinians (the only fair thing that Israel needs in return is security) Once this is in place Israel should have the right to defend itself by all means necessary, Hopefully this is not needed and the two countries can work together for the betterment of both people. The only real obstacle are hamas and the settlers. I would send them to North korea

Wow double standards much! Do you even care that this could have potentially killed a bunch of children? If it was the other way round u'd be up in arms. I don't care who/'s done what to who, you don't attack children!

but they didn't actually target anything. they have no targeting capability. they just blindly fire rockets in the direction of israel. that's why there's a 1000 to 1 ratio in terms of rockets fired and deaths. it's still unconscionable and a war crime. but their lack of efficiency is why no one cries out (as opposed to the israelis who fight with guided missiles.)

Not so much trying to become martyrs which agiven but they are encouraged hearing how the US and the rest are trying to push Israel to THE BRINK OF WAR,and this will be an inevitable consequence.They know it,but-- they must be confident somehow through Iran and the other TERRORISTS who are funding them and thus the latest..Especially this latest when Rosh-Hashana is upon us..

Unfortunately I think WAR IS LOOMING ON THE HORIZON. You say Israel should do this or the other but they are just standing still.That the qassams are lobbed of daily is an indication,HOWEVER THIS TIME it beyond the pale ..Now the IDF will have to have to attack severly ,but we must wait for after the HOLY DAYS? It reminds me of the attacks on YOM KIPPUR and its attacks that took Israel unawares. SORRY TO SAY:THERE WILL BE WAR AND THIS TIME THE IDF AND IAF will have to FLATTEN GAZA ONCE AND FOR ALL.. After reading this I am very pessimistic.

... they want to keep it going?

If someone walks into your home and starts spraying you and your family with machine gun fire but miraculously hits a lot of furniture but misses everyone, is he harmless? If the police show up and shoot the fellow dead, will you think they killed a perfectly innocent soul? Oh I see, it's only harmless when it's Israeli kids who, by chance, come out unscathed.

It's harmless, right? So you shouldn't mind.

Unfortunately so far no bombs are enough to quiet down these attacks. Plus you keep forgetting about Israeli's killed and wounded women and children.

....it manages to kill civilians, often women and children as well as the militant, which it then writes off casually as "collateral damage"...

It was sheer good luck that the shells didn't kill a group of children in the day care centers. As for the gaza child casualties, it is incombent upon hamas affiliates to camp away from their families while on duty.

There are no Israeli bombs when there are no Hamas rockets .Capiche? Another question for you, what if that mainly harmless mortar actually had hit the daycare center when it was full of kids? So far this year almost 200 rockets fired into Israel. if it was you living there, Would you accept to live under those conditions?

So what's your take on this? That anything the IDF does, including the sort of massacres that talkbackers here regularly call for, is OK? That the IDF can slaughter civilians without end? Or do you accept that just maybe there are some rules? Killing the perpetrators of this attack is one thing; killing a few Gaza civilians who happen to be available is indeed a crime. It's the same everywhere else in the world - should it be different for the IDF?

we in israel have no right to defend ourselves? maybe you yanks should stop using drones to slaughter innocents in pakistan and afghanastan then you can tell us what to to.... you are a bit self rightgeous you yanks are. would you be cheering with german owned and anti israel haaretz and the rest of the bigots here if jewish children were killed? come on anti israel german owned haaretz!!! print this.... print a comment from and israeli who loves israel.

your own grandchildren were the subject of a mortar attack near Lewiston. It's so easy to knee-jerk blame Israel about how the IDF will "oblige" rather than realize that an attack on two day-care centers is as heinous an act as their is. You sit here and navel gaze about the "randomness" of the attack and how "Happy" the right wing will be. Such a disgusting attitude. You simply negate the humanity of Israeli children and their right to live without the threat of being turned into pink mist while attending nursery school. This is not about politics, but about protecting one's children, and there isn't a parent alive that would willingly see their kids dragged into a war zone by a racist genocidal terrorist group, which is exactly what HAMAS is.

Unfortunately, the IDF seems to bomb empty tunnels and empty buildings which is not enough to discourage lethal terrorism.

the the mortar wanted to kill civillians, whatever they get in retaliation is justified, from the right or left

I am struggling to believe that either of you think randomly killing people in retaliation for the mortar is justified. Would that be justified if another Israeli soldier, like Eden Natan-Zeda, did something similar. Would killing random Israelis then be justified? Maybe it would. That is exactly the logic you both use. In this case, fortunately, nobody got killed. But by your logic, random killing in return is OK.

Taking out a nursery school in response, when the kids are there is perfectly peachy. Or maybe a marketplace?

Yes Stephen I have said it a hundred times that is what was going to happen,but no one took any notice.By giving in to Abbas who works in tandem with Haniyeh (i am sure)Alhough outwardly suppose to be a partner for peace(NOT) Hamas is getiing more courageous seeing the outside peoples forcig Israel to cede more land i.e the Freeze on buildings. So,now we can see their BOLDER reaction. Yes if Israel does not go inand flatten Gaza irrespective of casualties WE WILL DEFINITELY see A TALIBAN STATE ON THE DOORSTEP OF ISRAEL. It is almost here Stephen.

Jewish terrorism didn't stop until we got our state... admirable no?

Unscrupulous mini Taliban state on the doorstep of Israel? The many times I have said it..but it is like beating your head against a BRICK wall. Time is surely come for the Israeli leaders to decide how long they will tolerate the lobbing of rockets which are getting more sophisticated by the day. Aiding and abetting by Iran and their procurements increasing.The answer this problem continuing for over five years and after Cast Lead seems not to have effected their weapons at all.Time is fast approaching for the IDF to finish the job begun and LEFT HALF BAKED.This time they should flatten the whole of Gaza in one BIG swoop or else there will be no end to Israel's predicament toward its citizens who are exposed to it daily.What is so annoying is when we read some responses by the Israel bashers who chidishly but in truth write with glee that assuming they are innocuous fire crackers.... I can add nothing more . j ob they begun

Most Daycare centers located on kibbutzim are very close to each other. Anyone who has kids in a Gan can tell you that....dumbass!

I confirm the report is true. It hit between two buildings that house children during the day. A final note, You are an idiot

Everyone else is fooled but only YOU have figured out that this is another sinister ploy by the Israelis. We are all so envious of your intelligence. And if you don't note the sarcasm, well it just confirms what we all know.

I'm an idiot too for having believed David's story.

How does this have 14 ups and 2 down? Haaretz readers usually have brains and morals!

The blame lies with the PM and more specifically this failure of a defense minister. Has Barak ever done anything that was right? He was inept and irresponsible under Olmert and it continues to this moment , yet he is still there screwing up ! Why?

It is not quite daily, but the IDF routinely shells and fires missiles and bombs Gaza, frequently with many more and larger explosives than Hamas uses. Is that the gang you are referring to? And they frequently kill Gazans rather than hitting space. Neither side has clean hands. Both engage in random acts of barbarity. Revenge and retaliation for emphasis or to show off how bad you can be (deterrence) are both acts of barbarity.

Indeed Mark, the kids in the gan targetted were surely a big threat for gazaans!

Neither side has clean hands, but the Israelis hands are dirtier, right?

LIke each ctizien in ISraela is a soldier , so goes teh citizen ogf Gaza as they all elected hamas, ergo they are all terrorists. Kill them all let allah hand out the vuirgins

Hamas toy rockets have not killed anyone and are just to demonstrate to Israel that she can't have peace until the illegal occupation ends, while Israeli cluster bombs have murdered more than 2000 children.

Mark, Israel does not instigate these attacks but always acts in a defensive way and often after a long period of shelling and mortar fire has caused real damage in Israel. I understand that people have sympathy with the plight of the Gazans - so do I - but how can anyone defend the Hamas policies. We left Gaza over 5 years ago - with a different government, they could be enjoying normal lives, building up their economy with the vast sums donated from abroad. I pity the Gazan people, many of whom know very well who is really to blame for their plight.

there is no Left-Wing in Israel, the "Peace Camp" of Likud still claim in their charter that there will be no new Arab state in Judea and Samaria. So how could we possibly believe you will allow the Palestinians a state.

No left-wing in Israel? You made me laugh so hard I nearly paid for my own beer.

A civil war became a war by a state on a non-state entity the moment Israel adopted those Jewish forces already outside of Israel's newly declared boundaries. Can anyone show me the peace agreement? That militant Palestinians resort to terror is condemnable. Although attacks on military targets are valid. However, the early Jewish terroristas didn't stop until they got our homeland state...admirable no? Even got to govern... Amazing

There are many who want Palestinians to have their state. But they also fear for their lives and of their loved ones. Each of the Palestinian acts of violence ratchets them further to the right not from want but from the reality on the ground. I.e. they will vote for a government that can protect them and not turn their communities into another Sderot.