Lebanon: We fired first at IDF unit near Israel border
Israel submits official UN complaint over fatal border clash; UNIFIL official says IDF soldiers did not cross Lebanon border.
By Haaretz Service and Barak Ravid Tags: Israel news Lebanon IDFThe Lebanese Army was first to open fire in the recent fatal border clash with Israel Defense Forces soldiers, a Lebanese source told the Lebanese newspaper A-Nahar on Wednesday.
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A Lebanese soldier holding his rifle as Israeli troops patrol the border fence in the southern Lebanon village of Adeisa. |
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An IDF reserve battalion commander was killed on Tuesday as Lebanese and Israeli troops exchanged fire on the border in the most serious clashes since a fierce war four years ago, with Lebanon saying at least three of its soldiers and a journalist were killed in the resulting shelling.
According to the IDF, fighting began after Israeli troops began what Israel said was a scheduled vegetation clearing activity on Israel's side of the international borderline. In response to the activity, which Israel claimed Lebanon was notified of, Lebanese snipers opened deliberate fire at the IDF observation post several hundred meters into Israel, killing Lt. Col. Dov Harari and wounding company commander Ezra Lakia.
Speaking with A-Nahar Wednesday, a Lebanese military spokesman admitted to IDF claims that the Lebanese fired first, adding however that it was their right "to defend Lebanon's sovereignty."
On Tuesday, Israel submitted an official letter of complaint to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon over the clash on the Lebanese border, saying the attacks by the Lebanon army "threaten stability, peace, and security in our region."
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Exchange of fire on the border between Israel and Lebanon - August 3, 2010 |
| Photo by: Reuters / Ali Hashisho |
"In response to this grave incident that constitutes a blatant violation of UN Security Council resolution 1701, Israel exercised its right of self-defense, responding with the appropriate measures on LAF positions in the area," the letter submitted by Israel's UN envoy Daniel Carmon.
The letter stated that Israel held "the Government of Lebanon responsible for these attacks and all actions conducted from Lebanese territory," adding that Israel called "upon the international community to exert its influence and to take the necessary measures with the Lebanese authorities to ensure that such provocative violations will not be repeated."
"In order to fully address this matter, I wish to inform you that this identical letter has been sent to H.E. Mr. Vitaly I. Churkin, President of the United Nations Security Council, to be circulated as an official document of the Security Council," the letter added.
Earlier Wednesday, a chief UN Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) official said IDF soldiers did not cross the border with Lebanon before the deadly clash between Israeli and Lebanese forces, adding that the UN force had been dealing with complaints of Lebanese provocations on a daily basis.
The IDF stressed following the fatal exchange that its vegetation clearing works near the border had not only taken place within Israeli territory, but on Israel's side of the fence.
Milos Strugar, UNIFIL's senior political adviser said that the IDF had "informed UNIFIL that it was going to conduct maintenance works" on the border, adding that while the Israeli unit had been "on the northern side of the border fence," it was nonetheless "south of the international borderline."
However, the UNIFIL official added that the information he had was "preliminary," adding that he will look into the evidence "more thoroughly" later in the day.
"The situation became tense right away, with the Lebanon army also being there," Strugar said, adding that UNIFIL forces had tried "to calm the situation and allow the IDF to work."
Asserting the IDF's claim that it had informed the Lebanese side of the planned border works, Strugar said that UNIFIL had received a message from the IDF "regarding these works, and we had passed that on to the Lebanese army."
"We deal with complaints on provocations of Lebanese soldiers against IDF units on a daily basis," Strugar told Army Radio, adding incidents occur "almost every day, there's a lot of tension round the border, but what happened is the worst incident since 2006."
Also Wednesday, a UNIFIL spokesman said that the organization had established that "the trees being cut by the Israeli army are located south of the Blue Line on the Israeli side."
While both Israel and Lebanon had voiced reservations regarding the location of the international border, or the Blue Line, the UNIFIL statement asserted that "both Lebanon and Israel confirmed to the UN Secretary-General that, notwithstanding their reservations, identifying the Line was solely the responsibility of the United Nations and that they will respect the Line as identified."
"The UN position is that the Blue Line must be respected in its entirety by all parties," the statement by Deputy Spokesperson Andrea Tenent said.
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The Arab propaganda machine is unbeatable. Second to none in sophistication. They managed to assassinate a senior officer and make it so the entire world show an image of a soldier "invading" Lebanon (actually crossing a fence which is inside Israel). Brilliant maneuver. A mini flotilla if you will.
about 30 people have been killed since the cease fire about 3 years ago mostly children by cluster bombs fired by Israel during the war. Everyone seems to be saying these are the first casualties since the cease fire 3 years ago.
fully responsible for this act of violence against Israel. They do what their master Ahmadinedjad says them to do and in order do divert world attention form its nuclear program, Iran is doing all possible to provoke a nw war betwenn Israel and Hizbanon
All of a sudden, the Lebanon topic brings out every Jewsih blogger in the world and the votes are so not in line with habitual readers of these colomns. It seems that since Hezbollah has raised the terror level to an even footing with the Israelis, every hooligans bloggers want to show the world that all are sided with Israel. Not all, since the votes are rigged. Haaretz will check on that and give it's verdict.
I realy am so glad that UNIFIL support the IDF"s true version of events,more especialy today as the fallen,are being intered,if you were to view as I was yesterday they showed Newsreal Film, purported to be the IDF on the Lebanease side of the Border,have they no shame!.Sometimes its as if their waiting for Israel,to be brought to her knees,well I say if we were to lose,we"d never be on our knee
It is just one of the signs of tilting of balance of power in the middle east. As condololezza has said "birth pangs of new middle east"
Covering their ears? Phoning home to mom? Forgive me, but aren't they supposed to be there to STOP this kind of thing?
the west, and most particularly the us, have the habit of arming states and groups that are in fact potentila enemies. this has been the case for many decades now, and in most instances, this policy has backfired on the us. in many cases, the united states and some allies, have ended up fighting the very same states and groups that they have armed. the policy of arming such states/groups has been the result of short sighted strategic planning, as well as a lack of fully understanding foreign cultures, in particular, those in the muslim world.
Can anyone tell me what Reports were doing at the border? What is so exciting going on over there? Why they were there in the first place? What was the agenda? Why Lebanese Army invited them? Why UNFL didn't do anything to stop them? Oh yeah I forgot cause it's Israel. The whole world is hoping for Israel to be destroyed. Europeans think that when there will be no Israel then Terrorism stops. If Israel will get destroyed next will be Europe.
a number of facts stand out in this incident. first, it is quite obvious that this high ranking israeli officer, stationed at a forward position 200-300 meters behind the blue line, was specifically targeted by the sniper(s). second, lt. col. harari was the batallion commander of the eastern lebanese sector. the sniper(s) obviously had intelligence that allowed them to know that harari was a high ranking officer and most probably knew his position. third, it is highly unlikely that the presence of a lebanese reporter was a coincident just as this assassination was taking place. hence, it is most likely that the entire episode was pre-planned by lebanon. whether such planning and orders were given by the lebanese government or hezbollah has become totally irrelevant. the two entities, lebanon and hezbollah have merged into one.
where are you natalie? linwaithe? lincoln? kopenhaten? sullivan? hahahahahaha......where are all of you???? LOL... The mask is finally ripped off the ugly face of all of you. a picture is worth a thousand words eh? unifil soldiers standing next to lebanese soldiers with rifles aimed at israel? isnt that rich...unifil giving cover to defacto hezbollah....well well. you gotta love the arabs...they NEVER, and I mean NEVER miss an opportunity to screw up. When will people learn; arabs attack, israel defends. I know you jew haters hate it when you are exposed for what you are, but hey, someone's gotta do it! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
where are you natalie? linwaithe? lincoln? kopenhaten? sullivan? hahahahahaha......where are all of you???? LOL... The mask is finally ripped off the ugly face of all of you. a picture is worth a thousand words eh? unifil soldiers standing next to lebanese soldiers with rifles aimed at israel? isnt that rich...unifil giving cover to defacto hezbollah....well well. you gotta love the arabs...they NEVER, and I mean NEVER miss an opportunity to screw up. When will people learn; arabs attack, israel defends. I know you jew haters hate it when you are exposed for what you are, but hey, someone's gotta do it! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Israel has to accept Hezbollah's right to exist. It was the Israeli invasion and 20-year long occupation of Lebanon that decimated that country's unity. Now Hizbollah, which after all is a democratically elected part of the Lebanese government, says, no more free ride. If Israel attacks again, there will be consequences.
This article is a prime example of journalistic government propaganda.
Guess what? Too damn bad.
Has it occurred to you to wonder what a Lebanese journalist was DOING there at that so-opportune moment? Did he just happen to wander past as it was going down? Or (perish the thought!) was he there because the Lebanese planned the whole thing? Oh, I know ... the Israelis planned it and called up their favourite Lebanese journalist so he wouldn't miss the show.
Seem as if only when it suits does Israel have borders. Damn you are a bunch of hyocrites
Therefore, they don't have borders. Case closed.
I think you're wrong. You meant of course the Syrian on the Heights doing some target pratice at the Kibutzim in the Hula valley.....
What a loser you are - even when UN has stated that Israeli soldiers were within Israel, even after Lebanon has stated that it opened fire first, you still try to twist and spin. Are you ever pathetic.
Tilling their farms with donkeys filled with explosives...horses with explosives sewn inside of the horses...ya, uh huh... fact is, any gazan who apporaches the border is doing so with nefarious intentions and they know it, israel knows it, the whole world knows it. let them "till their farms" away from the danger zone...hamas, which is a terrorist organization has had so many different attempts to "till their farms" and so israel rightly defends herself time and again. its so funny how you will stop at nothing though to defend a bunch or amoral scumbag murderers like hamas and hezbollah....you shame yourself each time you write labrhASS.
Lebanon is controlled by the Hezbollah, which gets orders from Iran. This incident means that Iran gave a green light for another war.
So Michael:Lebanon is controlled by the Hezbollah, which gets orders from Iran. This incident means that Iran gave a green light for another war. Which in my estimation I call them the THREE MONKEYS..However,you forgot the FOURTH MONKEY that being Syria...A FINE KETTLE OF SMELLY FISH the lot of them who know nothing but murder and mayham and no peace in the OFFING ,but preparation for another war.Well if that isd the case HEADS WILL ROLL AT THE ONES WHO ARE WISHING IT.Nah,nah they are too cowardly to embark on this mission? STILL ISRAEL MUST BE PREPARED AND ON ITS TOES ALL THE TIME.That they are is proof of how they are dealing not only versus Ham-ASS ,but the rest of the instigators wishes who want the annihilation of Israel.
where are you natalie? linwaithe? lincoln? kopenhaten? sullivan? hahahahahaha......where are all of you???? LOL... The mask is finally ripped off the ugly face of all of you. a picture is worth a thousand words eh? unifil soldiers standing next to lebanese soldiers with rifles aimed at israel? isnt that rich...unifil giving cover to defacto hezbollah....well well. you gotta love the arabs...they NEVER, and I mean NEVER miss an opportunity to screw up. When will people learn; arabs attack, israel defends. I know you jew haters hate it when you are exposed for what you are, but hey, someone's gotta do it! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
UN 194, 242, xyz... shish you can write an encyclopedia about the terminology used by Israel to wreck havoc in the middle east since the Jews from between the Volga and Oder wanted to dispossess the Palestinians. Israel will never ever be part of the middle east.
Yes if I had a bagful of STARS I would personally SHOWER THEM UPON YOURSELF FOR THE LOVE OF ISRAEL.NOT FORGETTING THE VALIENT IDF & IAF & NAVAL MEN OFFICERS. B.H
People, before trying to find out who fired first, and who's to be condemned. Be aware of the simple truth that the state of "Israel" was built on Palestine land, they just came kick the Palestinians away in 1948 with the aid of the British and simply took there land and built their state, no human being can accept this to happen, "Israel" has no right to be in Palestine land in the first place. The whole idea of Israel existance is WRONG, UNFAIR. A day will come where the Devine Justice will give back the land to the original owners the Palestinians. "Israel" is just a big lie, a fake, and it will come to an end soon. And know that the world will be a much better place without "Israel".
The Arab League declined UN Res. 181 aka The Partition Plan and launched a War in 1948 [Arabs call the war Al-Nakba - meaning The Catastrophe]. By the way, Israel won the 1948 war without Britain assistance. " 'Israel' has no right to be in Palestine", And the leftovers of the Ottoman empire has?
Go learn your history before making such comments !!! Jews have been living in this land for 3000 years.
People, before trying to find out who fired first, and who's to be condemned. Be aware of the simple truth that the state of "Israel" was built on Palestine land, they just came kick the Palestinians away in 1948 with the aid of the British and simply took there land and built their state, no human being can accept this to happen, "Israel" has no right to be in Palestine land in the first place. The whole idea of Israel existance is WRONG, UNFAIR. A day will come where the Devine Justice will give back the land to the original owners the Palestinians. "Israel" is just a big lie, a fake, and it will come to an end soon. And know that the world will be a much better place without "Israel".
It is a fake country. Please show anyone here when there was an independent, sovereign, Palestinian country in history. You can't? I didn't expect you to. Because there has never been one. What about the 1 million Jews kicked out of their homes in Arab countries? More Jews were kicked out of their homes than Palestinians who left. The land the Jews owned was 5 times the size of Israel. Facts are facts. Deal with it.
The original inhabitants of this land was the Jewish people and not the Palestinians. Jewish people have always had a presence in this area. We have two peoples that claim the same land and both are justified in this belief. Israel was around way before Islam even existed and Jesus lived in the Jewish state. We teach our children to share and compromise and it would be nice to see adults behave in this manner. Israel has every right to exist and the Palestinians also have a right to a home and to be treated better in other muslim countries.
We do teach our children tolerance and compromise. Unfortunately, the Arabs do not. (Just read their textbooks, watch their television broadcasts, listen to their constant hate-filled propaganca.)
what about IAF crossing the skies of Lebanon each and every single day, and even in the waters.... lebanon had always complained for the un but nothing, ban ki moun himself said he is worried about israeli crossings of the borders of lebanon
Do you not see the difference between over-flight and assasination?!
A Jew is always guilty , no open eyes or minds are needed to see and know this very old fact .
Where is the UN Security Council? How come they have not met yet to denounce Lebanon? Seems they don't move to fast when Israel is not to blame. The UN. What a joke!!!!!!
But where does Israel run to complain? Where does it look for validation?And whose side did the UN take this time?
This makes some people very unhappy. It is fare to asume that after many years of investigation the finding will be true.
UNIFIL is suffering from the Stockholm Syndrome...spending too much time in Leb and buddying-up to the hezbollah ! #1701 UN Resolution calls for NO HEZBOLLAH SOUTH OF LITANI......... they are currently south of Litani with a litany of armaments trying to draw Israel into a war ! Hezbollah is a proxy of a proxy (syria) of a proxy (iran)
אני אוהב את ההומור שלך now for english... I like your humor! LoL!!
pro israel posts. many anti israel posts... haaretz is so anti israel its not even funny. i give up and will join the rest of israel... and not read your rag.
David, Haaretz receives many pro-Israel posts but chooses not to print them as to try to persuade domestic and worldwide opinion. Look how many anti-Israel comments are posted from the UK, Ireland, and arab countries. It's the same as the US lamestream media only reporting leftist idiology. I read some of the articles on this ragsite, but also from the JPost and A7.
lead by pure hate that will consume them from inside out... Their demise is unavoidable as all their efforts are oriented on destroying Israel. But what they WILL get be a stone age existence....Hezbollah will make sure of that... I am impressed with Israel's restraint... Well I guess that distinguishes between civilized country and islamic fanatism....
Building, creating, constructing are a lot more difficult than destroying. So the religion of peace takes the easy way out.
go to hell lebanon...all this bc you allowed hizbullah into your parliament...beware and if a war does erupt in the near future dont go crying to the world... am israel chai...
Hezbollah was not simply "allowed into parlainment". For your information, Hezbollah was elected in a landslide. Before the outbreak of hostilities in 2006, both sides declared their objectives. Israel wanted its captured soldiers back in addition to destroying and disarming Hezbollah once and for all. Hezbollah on the otherhand, wanted all Lebanese hostages in Israel back through indirect negotiations. Hezbollah achieved all its objectives and is stronger toiday than ever. Israel achieved none. Sameer Kontar is free today and will live to fight another day.
This makes some people very unhappy. It is fare to asume that after many years of investigation the finding will be true.
First they initiate many agressions and then when get back the harsh response they cry all over the world.
What does that mean? Why don't we hear more about that? Why don't we hear about that as it happens?
if this go bigger wont be good for both,must be deflated,kiz ballah should be the target...
total irresponsbility and lack of intelligence in world affrairs by Lebanon - but then again, I'm not surprised by them - they allow Hez to rules lebanon
They don't have sovereinty. They are pushed by the hizbula/syrian puppets of Iran.
Oh they hate it when the UN agrees with Israel Oh that damn UN must have a Israel bias
The IDF shoots to kill any Gazan approaching the fence or who is even near the fence. They do this without warning and without regret. Should this strategy be any different when Israelis are the target on the northern border. Israelis will not get any sympathy or understanding when they complain about an act which they themselves are also guilty of.
Maybe the difference is that Israel isn't trying to dig tunnels to blow up an army post or laying bombs. The majority of Americans are praying for a great earthquake to send California far far away from the rest of us.
The countless liflettes Israeli airplains rained over any arab targets before shooting are forgotten by a someone like you. And all the zillions of warning phone calls that the enemy received from the Israeli are also forgotten by you ms durson. Something that no other army around does. However the tree on the frontiers was/is on Israeli soils; it was surely not a smart move on the part of Lebanon to kill the solider/gardner. Lebanon is responsible to curve Hixbollah from South of Lebanon but failed to do so. Israel will defend and then of course the bias will blame Israel, right? Lebanees should not let Hizollah a terrorist group and a proxi of Iran to control their country.
It was clear what the Israelis were doing there as reports have shown. So why the hell would you blast a man into the next world when you know he is not threatening you Natallie? Palestinians that approach fences with Israel are usually motivated by terror as was shown earlier today when a terrorist did so and was killed by Israel (I read this in a report). There is no accountability for a terrorist if he approaches a border, other than him being killed. If Israel sends soldiers with ill motivation to a neighbouring country's border with ill intent or illegal motivation the ramifications are serious, and they did not cross any border. They were not doing anything wrong, and the people who people fired on them and killed and wounded them knew this, but fired out of a motivation to start a conflict and to cause pain for their own sadistic satisfaction. Sick.
It was clear what the Israelis were doing there as reports have shown. So why the hell would you blast a man into the next world when you know he is not threatening you Natallie? Palestinians that approach fences with Israel are usually motivated by terror as was shown earlier today when a terrorist did so and was killed by Israel (I read this in a report). There is no accountability for a terrorist if he approaches a border, other than him being killed. If Israel sends soldiers with ill motivation to a neighbouring country's border with ill intent or illegal motivation the ramifications are serious, and they did not cross any border. They were not doing anything wrong, and the people who people fired on them and killed and wounded them knew this, but fired out of a motivation to start a conflict and to cause pain for their own sadistic satisfaction. Sick.
Israel says their solders were clearing weeds on the border, while Lebanon says they crossed the border and were in Lebanese territory to remove a tree they deemed a security risk. In addition, two Lebanese solders and a reporter were killed by Israel. Ok, folks what's really going on and who's testing who.
Both the UN and Israel agree that Israeli troops never crossed the border. Who are we to believe? The country who just admitted to firing first? The country who is run by a terrorist group? Seriously, get your facts straight...
Lebanon was wrong in this case but Israel also shoots at people who get to close to the fence, this is why its commonly called no-mans lands. I would like to know why a Lt. Col. and Captain were even there if they were only cutting trees? it seems a job well below their pay grade.
The soldiers who were shot weren't cutting down any trees. They were hundreds of meters inside Israeli territory supervising the operation. Lebanese snipers shot *them* ... not the soldiers cutting the tree. This was clearly premeditated.
this crime against Israel must be investigated thoroughly!!! I reckon that an internal probe by the Lebanese army should be sufficient for Israel
U.N. Supports Israeli Account of Border Clash By ISABEL KERSHNER and NADA BAKRI Published: August 4, 2010
"Israel will launch a diplomatic campaign calling on the United States and France to stop their military assistance to Lebanon following Tuesday's exchange of fire on the northern border." - HAARETZ Of course the US and France should continue arming the Lebanese Army. Without reasonable arms and equipment, the Lebanese Army is a laughing stock, enabling Hizballah to claim that they are the real defenders of Lebanon, and this claim makes sense to the Lebanese people and others too. That was the situation before the 2006 war. Israel has no reason to fear the Lebanese Army. Whatever they used in the present incident is nothing compared to what Israel is able to bring to the front. Indeed, being its arms supplier gives the US some pressure ability on the army's behavior. Israel should confine itself to what it was doing successfully until now: Preventing sales of anti-air missiles that could shoot down Israeli overflights in Lebanon.
The main danger to a major outbreak of hostilities is from the IDF precisely because of their overwhelming military firepower and the paucity of Lebanese defences. A large scale operation would serve Israeli interests if and when talks with Abbas should progress[ by some miracle] 'Defensive' SAMs are precisely what Lebanon should have in order to coerce Israel toward a less aggressive stance.
I agree with you.The lebanese army is hardly sophisticated or capable of conducting a war.It all falls on the shoulder of Hizballah,and their association to Hassan the Hizb'.You say:Israel has no reason to fear the Lebanese Army. Whatever they used in the present incident is nothing compared to what Israel is able to bring to the front. Indeed, being its arms supplier gives the US some pressure ability on the army's behavior. Israel should confine itself to what it was doing successfully until now: Preventing sales of anti-air missiles that could shoot down Israeli overflights in Lebanon. . Riiight first and last time thank you for putting it so well and critically.That is why I agree with your premise for a change and thank the Lord for that.
I agree with you.The lebanese army is hardly sophisticated or capable of conducting a war.It all falls on the shoulder of Hizballah,and their association to Hassan the Hizb'.You say:Israel has no reason to fear the Lebanese Army. Whatever they used in the present incident is nothing compared to what Israel is able to bring to the front. Indeed, being its arms supplier gives the US some pressure ability on the army's behavior. Israel should confine itself to what it was doing successfully until now: Preventing sales of anti-air missiles that could shoot down Israeli overflights in Lebanon. . Riiight first and last time thank you for putting it so well and critically.That is why I agree with your premise for a change and thank the Lord for that.
Hezbollah doesn't need any excuses to claim they are Lebanon's defenders. They keep their arms because no one can or will disarm them. That's it.
And by the way, they are given these weapons for free. Hezbo will never let a strong Lebanses army happen.
The main danger to a major outbreak of hostilities is from the IDF precisely because of their overwhelming military firepower and the paucity of Lebanese defences. A large scale operation would serve Israeli interests if and when talks with Abbas should progress[ by some miracle] 'Defensive' SAMs are precisely what Lebanon should have in order to coerce Israel toward a less aggressive stance.
Don't you think that public support is important to Hizballah? I tried to emphasize this point but it was probably too subtle for you.
Iran now has 4 newer S-300/400 systems, 2 from Belarus and 2 from likely China, Iran is also buying older designed S-300 systems from China to upgrade, to be supplied to Hizbollah next year. This is dangerous since it could force Israel into a ground war that would be costly for both sides.
Look how the Lebanese 'soldiers' take up firing positions amongst the UNIFIL men, who were either extremely brave or rather gullible. I trust it was the former.
Yeah Mike, nothing new here. Same happend in 2006 when Hezballah co-located itself with OP Khiam.
Yeah Mike, nothing new here. Same happend in 2006 when Hezballah co-located itself with OP Khiam.
I live in Canada, we generally have great folk here, but you can get some bad neighbours too. Ever try building a fence with a bad neighbour? It's a bitch why? because nothing is right for them. In my first house, I wanted a fence in the backyard, Neighbour was somewhat on board but he kept coming up with reasons why Wood was no good, then Chain Link, then Picket, eventually I decided, I am going to build this entirely on my property, effectivly, cutting off a foot of my property so that I can make the fence out of whatever I liked. That is what is happening here. If Israel builds a fence Right on the border, then it would have to share sovereignty over said fence, by building a fence in its own backyard, it is not giving away its property, it is merely ensuring that it retains complete and utter sovereignty over said fence. Amazing, do they not have Lawyers in Lebannon as this is a clear cut issue in Canada. Perhaps, we need to start over in Lebannon and explain to it basic laws. But to all those Anti Israel posters, your anti-semitism is showing
then this fence is in Lebanese territory
...that it is not! Why let facts get in the way of some good Israel-hatred.
please shut your mouth because with your infantile analogy you are embarrassing the whole country... even the posts from the Quebec/Montreal based ultra-pro-Israeli zealots are more tolerable.
Or what? Have you no explanation except the insults and threats that I embarass my country? You'd think with such a passionate post you'd offer a point but alas you don't So I ask Why no make a real point? or are insults easier?
Or what? Have you no explanation except the insults and threats that I embarass my country? You'd think with such a passionate post you'd offer a point but alas you don't So I ask Why no make a real point? or are insults easier?
And let's not forget Assad, too, who is trying to get the tribunal stopped.
Not cross as in not go over into Lebanon?
The Lebanese insist they were firing warning shots i.e. into the air. If the IDF soldiers were still on their side of the Blue Line when those warning shots were fired is a reason to COMPLAIN, but not a reason to fire artillery and missiles at the Lebanese Army.
Not your style to wait for definitive evidence, is it, Peter?
To remind people here and with not only pictures but VIDEO viewing experience seein that the IDF were on the Israeli side and NOT on the Lebanese one..Hammer and wily tongues try to dismiss it and begin THEIR USUAL BASHING for ulterior motive and still maintain the IDF crossed into Lebanon. EVEN WHEN THEY READ IT FROM THE HORSES MOUTH (so to speak)
I wonder if anyone was able to file a complaint after being shot to death? if yes, how did it help that someone who was shot? Why Johnboy doesn't want to see what Israel has been insisting upon?
Naivety Johnboy. If the Hizbollah told them to fire- they would- point blank. I lived 1½kms from that exact same boarder for 15 years from 1975-1990. In all those years nothing ever changed. From the day I arrived in '75, three katyushas landed in the square of the village and didn't cease. And think- Israel wasn't even in Lebanon at that time. So what was the reason back then????
Really? The Lebanese just happened to fire into the air and what? Accidently shot one of the Israelis in the head and another Israeli in the chest? No josh! What world to you live in?
Really? The Lebanese just happened to fire into the air and what? Accidently shot one of the Israelis in the head and another Israeli in the chest? No josh! What world to you live in?
shelling was initiated after IDF soldiers were killed
Give me a break Johnboy. Into the air in Dov Harari's lungs or his nose maybe.
Give me a break Johnboy. Into the air in Dov Harari's lungs or his nose maybe.
Johnboy, I do wish you could read as well as spout your mindless nonsense.
Or are you just blinded by hate regardless of the facts? Who shoots warning shots with snipers? Artillery and missles were after the IDF soldiers were hit. Amazing how even in a situation like this, ppl still try to spin and blame it on Israel.
The case for complaint would have been for Lebanon...who then would have been told that there was nothing wrong as Israel was still on their side of the Blue Line. Even warning shots over an unarmed trespasser would have been better. But...there are no warning shots when firing at another country's military. The Lebanon military fired at the IDF and the IDF responded...that is what happens when you fire "warning" shots at another military.
Dear Johnny, let's assume that those shots were actually warning shots, are you able to notice the difference between those and real live firing? If so, you should be hired as a scout for future recce ops. It will safe a lot of (Leb army) lifes ;o)
Both of the Israelis were shot by snipers. That this was reported by UNIFIL and admitted by the Lebanese Army. You are so full of BS that it is backing back out of your filthy mouth.
Both of the Israelis were shot by snipers. That this was reported by UNIFIL and admitted by the Lebanese Army. You are so full of BS that it is backing back out of your filthy mouth.
Open your eyes! There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
Don't fire warning shots at armed soldiers, dumboy. They might not have the latest technology which can track bullet trajectory in flight. Oh, wait, that technology doesn't exist, idiot.
Not very clever to position yourself next to a Leb soldier. This UNIFIL guy should have know better!!! In some sort of way it gives protection to the Leb army and in doing so, it defacto takes sides...
Read Resolution 1501; UNIFIL is **meant** to operate alongside the Lebanese Army. It is part of their mandate.
'Alongside the Leb army' doesn't mean standing literally next to them or next to Hizballah. First of all, you can easily become a weapon of propaganda. 2nd: during introduction all UN personnel is taught to keep a safe distance in order to avoid a new "Khiam tragedy" as in 2006. These guys can also monitor that same spot from let's say at least 300y away.
If the IDF was on Isarel's soil, the libanese army made a mistake by shooting first.Hopefully the situation will calm down.War is in nobody's interest.
If the IDF soldiers were still on Israeli soil then the Lebanese Army were not entitled to fire warning shots **BUT** the firing of warning shots does not entitle the IDF to shoot at the Lebanese soldiers.
to justify Lebanese action. Warning shots don't kill. It's amazing the verbal gymnastics the likes of you take to justify your hatred of Israel. You, along with other jihadists, should get a life.
The Israeli soldiers were shot at, regardless of whether it was intended to be a warning. The IDF replied appropriately.
Two IDF soilders were shot by snipers. Lebanese army was told before hand about this work and the project. In fact, UNIFIL was standing next to the Leb army at the time when this happened. This was unprovoked and unneeded to happen as the Lebanese were told this was happening!!!!! There was never any need for a warning shot ever! They fired the first shot. I hope the IDF flattens them next time. Disgraceful that the UNIFIL sat there and watched...but thats what they do.
And the Israelis are supposed to know that live rounds being fired are not being fired at them, dumboy? Do the Israelis have technology which can track the direction of live bullets? Anti-Israelis are morons and you are their king.
And the Israelis are supposed to know that live rounds being fired are not being fired at them, dumboy? Do the Israelis have technology which can track the direction of live bullets? Anti-Israelis are morons and you are their king.
If the IDF was on Isarel's soil, the libanese army made a mistake by shooting first.Hopefully the situation will calm down.War is in nobody's interest.
Don't worry Israel, Lebanon is not a threat to you ... only those Chilren of Foreign workers is the real threat to you ... run after those poor little 400 kids and your happiness will be full ... unbeliebable ! ... i'm sorry to the family of the Israelie soldiers life's lost --- pro humanity
Does anyone remember the incident in which North Korean soldiers came into the DMZ and murdered two American officers? The Americans, escorted by UN forces and accompanied by South Korean troops, were performing routine maintenance, which for years had been quietly watched by the North Koreans troops, until one day they informed the soldiers performing the maintenance that this one particular tree (at Panmunjom) was near and dear to their great leader's heart, and thus could not be touched. The Americans went ahead with the regularly-scheduled maintenance, which was located in the neutral ground of the DMZ and of which the North Koreans had been made aware. North Koreans soldiers came into the de-militarized zone, chased off the Americans' escort and friends, and proceeded to use the work detail's very axes to hack the officers to death. Back then, the US responded very wisely and calmly to the deliberate provocation, which NK claimed was America's fault. NK wanted to force the US to withdraw from Korea, and somehow they thought this might work. It had the opposite effect - video footage captured of the incident reminded the world of the insanity of NK's leadership, and shored up support in the UN for the US's continued presence at the DMZ. Reminds me of how Israel is offering Lebanon an out, by letting them admit wrong-doing but blame it all on a single officer, rather than a deliberate and embarrassing policy of suicidal provocation. Let's just hope the UN, in its senility, listens to its impartial observers on the ground and recognizes that Israel once again plays the part of the good guy in this episode.
Read Lebanon's Daily Star and you get quite the opposite version of the facts. The tree is photographed apparently in Lebanese territory but with the Israeli machine reaching over the fence. Unifil had received no request and a direct request to Lebanon had been refused.
The security fence is on Israeli soil, well back from the actual border. Think for yourself Keith.
The whole video plus pictures.You may then desist in making unwarranted accusations.The Lebanese paper does not print a daily bulletin,and even if it does do you think Hassan will let them print the TRUTH? He runs the country NOW called NOT Lebanon BUT HEZBOLISTAN. Which includes the lebanese ARMY who follow Hassan.
geez would you expect the truth from the lebanese press. Remember its an Arab country no freedom of press and any reporting especially in these matters require stamp approval from the govt. Dont be so naive dude. THink outside the box it wont kill ya.
Think how human lives are wasted.Now a new slogan will appear in Israel and in US Congress:Israel has the right to cut bushes.And 400 Congressmen will sign a letter to President to mark the inalienable right of Israel to cut bushes.
The world doesn't give hoot what the Israelis have to say. Rather they want to see the annihilation of Israel and the Jews. What do they care if another 6 million people perish.
they want the world to listen to them. I suggest they start with the attack on the USS Liberty in 1967
How come the World doesn't take Israel serious anymore, just ask your government
Why dont you tell the families of those killed and injured that the world is tired of such nonsense. Spoken like a true terrorist supporter . Death and destruction is "Such Nonsense" Hope thaty you and your family never have to suffer from "Such Nonsense"
Sad that anybody would believe any media source from Lebanon.
since when does Israel recognise "International Borderlines"?? Do they include 200 miles into the Meditarranean? For that matter has Israel ever declared its Borders??
Google much
What happened is that a Lebanese solider fired first - Israeli feelings about international borders is not the point of the article, nor are you qualified to state what Israeli's recognize. Thanks
A Lebanese soldier holding his rifle as Israeli troops patrol the border fence in the southern Lebanon village of Adeisa. " What else do you expect a soldier to hold diapers" lol :)
All parties on teh border areas are armed and are first line of defence if tjhe balloon goes up. Lebanon was notified by UNIFIL of teh maintenance work, lebanese aaaaarmy shows up and starts shooting. Clearly Netanyahu has more restraint than Im do, I would have started teh war and taken it all the way to Beirut and damascus, and wipoed Hizbullash out a long the way
Sabra,..... hizbollah bas been wiped out long back during 2nd lebanon war, are u still ignorant about that...???!!!
If the IDF is too professional to shoot across a border, how did all those civilians on their side of the border in Gaza get shot?
Now Israel is running to the UN whinging and crying victim. Grow up guys. YOU LOOK SAD AT BEST.
From others that would be an insult. From you that's a compliment.
The sake of the lebanese peoples that it goes to UNIFIL rather than carpet bombing the south. UNIFIL does more to ensure that Lebannon might one day rise from the ashes of a failed state than to protect Israel. This is event is a great example of how UNIFIL saves Lebanese lives at the expense of Israelis. Yes 3 Lebanese were killed, but many more could have been had UNIFIL not been there. Besides when you do the math given from Hamas, Gilad Shalit = 1000+ prisoners, it would mean that the 1 Israeli Officer who was murdered by a sniper, should have 997+ more Lebanese waiting for their wholes, Or does this Quantum Mechanics only work one way?
The sake of the lebanese peoples that it goes to UNIFIL rather than carpet bombing the south. UNIFIL does more to ensure that Lebannon might one day rise from the ashes of a failed state than to protect Israel. This is event is a great example of how UNIFIL saves Lebanese lives at the expense of Israelis. Yes 3 Lebanese were killed, but many more could have been had UNIFIL not been there. Besides when you do the math given from Hamas, Gilad Shalit = 1000+ prisoners, it would mean that the 1 Israeli Officer who was murdered by a sniper, should have 997+ more Lebanese waiting for their holes, Or does this Quantum Mechanics only work one way?
The UN has never made even 1 UN Res. against Hamas for over 10,000 rocket and mortar attacks targeting civilians. Each attack is a "War Crime". So when they finally take the Israeli side it is remarkable, isn't it?
Wait to see what the UN does. Then you will know whether they are anti Semitic or not.
Or is the UN reserved for anti-semites only?
Wait to see what the UN does. Then you will know whether they are anti Semitic or not.
Wait to see what the UN does. Then you will know whether they are anti Semitic or not.
Wait to see what the UN does. Then you will know whether they are anti Semitic or not.
Wait to see what the UN does. Then you will know whether they are anti Semitic or not.
U.N. Supports Israeli Account of Border Clash By ISABEL KERSHNER and NADA BAKRI Published: August 4, 2010 No Labrats Israel is starting to use it the way the arabs use the UNHRC,
Wait to see what the UN does. Then you will know whether they are anti Semitic or not.
Wait to see what the UN does. Then you will know whether they are anti Semitic or not.
Wait to see what the UN does. Then you will know whether they are anti Semitic or not.
No. But maybe UNIFIL has had it up to its eyeballs with as they say " Lebanese provocations on a daily basis"
Wait to see how the UN reacts to prove whether the UN is anti Semitic or not.
Wait to see how the UN reacts to prove whether the UN is anti Semitic or not.
Thanks emma--.
If that photo with the crane shows the so-called 'violation' yesterday then the IDF has a point
No one really cares until Israel dares to defend itself, then they all start jumping up and down.
Israel is defendig its self all the time, but they don't repect the borderlines.
Netanyahu and the nightclub bouncer both lined up to directly accuse the Lebanese government of war crimes crimes against humanity and tthe invasion of Southern Lebanon. Israel is backtracking and is now blaming a local commander acting on his own initiative. Trying to cool down the rhetoric to prevent Israeli expectations of a massive airstrike on Lebanon I wonder?
Chris Us Israelis are flattered by the enormous % of your life you have devoted to writing your criticisms of anything Israeli. Regular readers of Haaretz comments simply do not understand why you are so obsessed with Jews and Israel. Your smug comments although I admit eloquently written at times show an absolute obcession. Can I suggest other areas of interest in the world outside of Israel? Get a life. Israel is a great country but surely you have other things in your life.......or maybe not.
Your friends killed yesterday an Israeli on Israei territory, leading to more people being killed. You can congratulate your friends for such amateurish behaviour, but instead you switch subject and talk about Netanyahu and Lieberman.
And even the LAF has admitted that they fired first. How pathetic.
What rubbish you write Chris. If Israel needs to stike Lebanon it will. Israel will always act in the self defence of its people. The Lebanese Army started this but you would never admit that would you?? Israel coordinated this all with the UN and the work was done on their side of the border. They were then attacked by the Lebanese.
On why Chris is so obsessed with Israel,and Jews? Well he is a Jew ,but a bad one.We should not be surprised as Jews have many BAD Jews among them.Just reading Gideon,and Amira,plus he others in the USA should give you an answer.I know (I live there). Not all American Jews,but many are JEWS IN NAME ONLY.Chris notwithstanding..
His hate toward Jews/Israelis has no bounds.It is his MODUS VICENDI and receives great satisfaction through his posts here.take That he is a Jew too makes one wonder,but not myself after reading a few of his gives on a reason to garner his mentality.
(the fence) and use equipment to pull up trees in Lebanon proper. The fact is all Lebanon has to do is plant Lylandi trees behind the tree iin question and within two years there would be a 25 foot high hedge
North and south of the fence, but south of the blue line which runs about 50 to 100 north of the fence is Israeli territory, which was confirmed by Unifil. The tree was clearly in Israel. Maintenance works continue today as planned.
The manner in which all such matters are handled by Israel. Lebanon would do well to parrot.
The handwriting has always been clear but my question is: why does the arab world want Israel dead and out? Nevertheless, no amount of intimidation, coallition, evil covenants, suicide missions or provocations will shift Israel from its rocky standpoint. He that wants no peace for Israel has sacrificed his posterity to the evil god. Israel will only grow stronger, better, wiser, sounder and more fruitful in and out of season. Blessed are all who recognise Israel's right to exist for, they too, shall exist. I'm African...but Israel's peace is peace for all; have you seen it?
How about using flame thrower on trees?
"Israel Defense Forces did not cross the border with Lebanon before the deadly clash" .... then it is stated that "IDF had informed UNIFIL that it was going to conduct maintenance works on the border" Why would IDF inform or request authorization from UNIFIL if the work is on their side of the border? Israelis simply wanted to cut some trees on the Lebanese side of the border for which authorization was requested to UNIFIL and denied by Lebanese .. but Israel did it anyway. Warning shots were fired by Lebanese army ... Israel responded by shelling Lebanese army position. Israel has frequently trespassed into Lebanon in violation of resolution 1701. These trespassing occurs on regular basis by air, sea and land ... over 7000 times since the last war. How ironic that when a simple hand glider flies in Lebanese territory that all news in Israel report it ... but nothing is mentioned to the Israeli public that Israel broke is breaking and will continue to violate UN resolution 1701 by trespassing into Lebanese territory. How ironic !!!!
lebaneese army fired IDF soldiers because they are cutting trees in UNIFIl site! if this reason acceptable for you?
The fence is build on Israeli territory to allow maintenance works on both sides of the fence without entering Lebanese territory. As the situation around the border is tense, the Israelis informed the Finul about the works as to be sure this would not be misinterpreted.
If there is ade facto no-man's land inbetween the two sides it is common courtesy from Israel to inform the UN forces that Israeli soldiers intend to venture into the Israeli part of that zone. Given that the UN says that Israel did not enter Lebanese territory it seems very unlikely that Israel was cutting trees on the wrong side, (and even if it was the Lebanese reaction would not have been proportionate). From all appearances this was a very irresponsible action by the Lebanese army which resulted in the unfortunate deaths of soldiers on both sides. Israel is not to blame for this incident.
If there is ade facto no-man's land inbetween the two sides it is common courtesy from Israel to inform the UN forces that Israeli soldiers intend to venture into the Israeli part of that zone. Given that the UN says that Israel did not enter Lebanese territory it seems very unlikely that Israel was cutting trees on the wrong side, (and even if it was the Lebanese reaction would not have been proportionate). From all appearances this was a very irresponsible action by the Lebanese army which resulted in the unfortunate deaths of soldiers on both sides. Israel is not to blame for this incident.
Please inform yourself before writing anything to start all the explanations ALL OVER AGAIN!
Clearly you do not know teh protocols used by IDF when working on their own side. UNIFIL is npotified so teh LEbs dont think an invasion is about to happen and become trigger happy. But Dufus Bob already knew that. There was no trespassing whatsoever unless Sufus Bob cant read. . There were also no warning shots fired Dufus Bob as stated by UNIFIL and Admitted by LAF. I think Dufus Bob you need to stop having that extra bowl full of stupouid in the morning its starting to work
it is logical when the tree is on the second side of the borderThis would ensure the army to defend their side of a border, otherwise they need not be there.
Of course, the IDF freely allows people in Gaza to come up to the border, doesn't it?
Since the UNIFIL is supposed to be in charge,of course teh IDF had to inform them first.AND REMEMBER THE IDF WERE ON ISRAELI SOIL CUTTING THE TREES( NEEDED FOR GOOD VISION) ABOUT THE HANKY ,PANKY OF THE HIZBS. It will continue to to watch out for any incurssions that may arise,don't you know that? Have you not served in the military?You ignorant BUFFOON
Saw a clip of an Israeli lift that extended horizontally across the fence to the Lebanese side of the border to cut some shrubs. Besides all that, still Israeli air force continue to Violate Lebanese air space almost on a daily basis. Reverse the role and have Lebanese army try to cut shrubs on Israeli side of the border .. or have Lebanese planes violate Israeli air space ... what do you think may happen ... You Zionist are self centered morons ....
"The fence is build on Israeli territory" .... disputed territory moron ... or maybe you think Lebanon is Jewish homeland too. People all over the world are getting sick of your greedy mentality. I pity you Zionists because you get what you want by exploiting the holocaust to the max ... but this sympathy is wearing out .... the world is starting to understand what your true face is ...
Repeating your idiocy about the fence being on the border doesn't move the fence to the border, airhead. Are you incapable of digesting new information, or what? Anti-Israelis are morons.
Where's the dispute between Israel and Lebanon about where that fence is located? The only dispute between Israel and Lebanon as far as territory is concerned is Shebba Farms. Anti-Israelis are morons.
First of all, it's not even true. They are looking for excuses ( shocking I know). The officer killed wasn't even near the border, he was way back near the truck. Second of all, even if they wanted to put a camera on that tree (which they clearly didn't based on the images taken), they could because it was inside the blue line (fence is 50-100meters inside Israel there). So in either case, they are wrong. Truth is, this has everything to do with Hariri, certain elements need a distraction.
Thanks for being a true citizen of Israel
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Saying that IDF Arab soldiers can't write in English...wow! I guess anything to rationalize and justify your opinion.
Yeah I'm with you on that. I was quite impressed with the lack of apostrophe abuse too. Perhaps this guy has a very liberal definition of the words "arab" and "soldier".
Ramallah Romeo and unknown, for the record that's you who lowered Arabs to illiteracy and low education, no matter if "IDF Arab soldier" is Arab or not.
Israel is faking "provocation" incident to justify itself on starting a new war 1939 Adolf with Check 1905 US and the Maine on Havana Harbour, 1960 Kennedy and the Tonkin accident.... ut this time the emperor is naked. We all know it.
Only the Israeli press says the contrary. A bit difficult to believe.
The Israeli press is better informed about Israeli issues. The fence is build within Israeli territory to allow maintenance works. On this issue the foreign press did a bad job.
since neither side has voiced such a claim... nor even Al Jazeera...
Is saying UNIFIL said Israel did not enter Lebanese territory. They were there you were not. But its funny how people that hate Israel so much will look with a microscope for wrong doings by Israel, but completely ignore the other side
Regarding the fly-bys which Israel does to map Hezbollah's rearming branch and collect information on missiles and infrastructure such as the recent map we've seen few weeks ago of their rocket stocks near schools. Outrageous isn't it? Heh. Until Hezbollah follows the resolution and disarms, non of you are in position to criticize Israel over the matter. This current situation however is unrelated and as you can see everywhere in the world, the blame is on Lebanon.
Please cite the phrase in resolution 1701 which requires Hezbollah to disarm. Along with the one which permits Israel to overfly Lebanon.
Please cite the phrase in resolution 1701 which requires Hezbollah to disarm. Along with the one which permits Israel to overfly Lebanon.
UNIFEL has been and remain working in favor of Israel. Why dont they tell the truth about the daily Israeli violations of the Lebanese sovereignty ... The Lebanese message was clear yesterday : form now on , any Israeli aggression will not go unnoticed...
I believe the so called peacekeepers were Indonesian do they not hate Israel?
UNIFIL reports all violatiionincluding overflights. Clearly you have had too much Hamas kool aid. Not to worry. ISrael will respond at some point, the books will be balanced. perhas Shady you would like to be in Lebanon right now with a gun so you too could kill the zionists. Dont worry a frew more rockets from hamas and even gaza will gets its martyrs manufacturing business up again. Except you wont find any virgins because there are none left. That sis unless you dont mind male virgins?
No difference here...Israel must seek peace with its neighbors before some nut with a nuke bombs the hell out of tel aviv.
Two of Israel's neighbors achieved peace with Israel. Why are the others incapable of doing so? Morons, such as yourself, only blame Israel for the lack of peace.
A peace treaty won't stop him, which is why Iran must not be allowed to have nukes and pass them to proxies.
Bottom line is, 4 people were killed, no one seems to care about that everyone, including me, is hyped up with meaningless nationalism and foolish rhetoric.... what a shame :(
UNIFIL are ZIONISTS!!! hahahahaha... Even when it's bulletproof that Israel is in the right, they'll still find something stupid to bend and twist and manipulate the facts to their favor.. It doesn't matter.. The good that comes out of this, is Lebanon just had it's last baseball strike, meaning, next time it happens, and no U.N. or international community will be able to hold back Israel. Both Beirut and Syria will be sent back to the Stone Age, watch and wait...
I think you are very happy and had a nice dream last night. I think it was a bloody dream, but the reality is that the world will nog accept a second war in Beirut with out a clear reason.
It wouldn't be surprising to see the counter claim. But has anyone claimed it, or are you just getting in with some pre-emptive indignation?
The so-called Lebanese army is seeded with them. The initiative came all the way from Teheran.
Harari is generally a Lebanese/Syrian surname. So I am assuming the commander's grandparents came from Lebanon or Syria as do many Israelis. Just pointing out the insanity of the situation.
Harari derives from the Hebrew word for "hill"
We demand justice.
Dear Khalid, Natalie, This is how you lose your credibility as being for Peace! UN backs up Israel and you are nowhere to be found responding to the story condemning Lebenanon for an unnecessary provocation when Israel is trying to get Peace talks going.
Come on, its the first time the Lebanese forces are shooting. Israel maded more damege in Lebanon, the next time the IDF can clear the millions of mines they left behind.
So now even when UNIFIL agree you want to talk about other issues. It is the harking back to the past that keeps wars going-I guess you like wars between peoples.
That's when the ambush was set-up (nice touch getting the journalists there before hand). If you read some more articles (not only here). It basically states that if the IDF hadn't delayed none of this would have happened. The delay gave the LAF the time to organize this. By the way, the person shot wasn't even the one cutting the tree, he is the one way back near the truck. So that's obviously a planned assassination.
The word in Lebanon is that the IDF were trying to place a surveillance camera on that tree. The LAF warned the IDF to return to their side of the Blue Line, Green Line, International border or what ever they want to call it. The LAF fired warning shots in the air, IDF response with Tank fire, helicopter rockets targeting Lebanese Army posts, killing 3 Lebanese soldiers and a journalist. The LAF returned fire killing 1 senior officer and seriously wounding 2 others. Must admit this does sound far more Pluasible than IDF ambushed whilst innocently trimming hedges!!!!!
Lebanon may have some words of the IDF being on the Lebanese side of the border, but you're responding to a report by a UNIFIL commander saying otherwise.
You cannot accept that Israel was not at fault here people like you are always looking to blame Israel and say it was Israels fault.Of course Lebanon is not going to admit they were to blame for this oh I'm sorry but they have already accepted that they fired first.
but the UN report published in Russian newspaper (Panarama Rus) before IDF statement supports Israeli statement
Come on! Your version is not even logic!! Why would the lebanese snipers shoot the senior and the other soldier? They we're not the threat in your scenario?!
each sides media will try to make it sound that their side is innocent and the other guilty. International media will do the same by choosing who is good and who is bad in a particular scenario. The timelines get mixed and confused and each side is left believing the other side is hiolty
The (Arab) word is that Israel steals organs. The (Arab) word is that Israel crossed into Lebananon to install a camer (like THAT i s a plausable story), the (Arab) word is that the West puts porcine blood in cigarrettes..should I go on? So much for the (Arab) word"......
Israel will not admit too, so let us keep us as friendly fire.
...so as to answer the permanent anti-Israeli aggressive blogs on this site.... And by the way, the daily flights over Lebanon are the only defense Israel has against those terrorists monsters of Hezbollah who have transformed the whole of Lebanon into a huge terrorist entity..... recognized by the USA as such.... Thus, we KNOW what enormous preparations for bombing Israeli cities and civilians, with thousands of rockets, they prepare. Is it possible for us to survive otherwise?
It is a well known fact, that members of Hizbullah Military Wing, after serving some two years, then enlist and integrate into the Lebanese Army. Obviously, since Hizbullah receives orders from Iran, one can expect further incidents of similar nature. Not to forget the current tribunal vis a vis Mr.R.Hariri, which may well point to Hizbullah. Good day.
Hello Stephen... If you’d like to read a very detailed account about the Hariri assassination. Where Hezbollah operatives are directly implicated... even though they have managed to eliminate some witnesses. It's from a reputable source... Der Spiegel. I believe, it’s the only report that has been published so far with such specificity. I’ve read, the Tribunal will re-enact the assassination to get further forensic evidence. Here's a link to the original story.... Regards Stephen... http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,626412-2,00.html
Happy to see UNIFIL telling the truth. I wonder what would have happened if a Mexican snipers would have shot senior American soldiers over the border... Answer: The will right away start printing history books, about the attempt to build civilization in a place that was used to be called Mexico.
You said, "Happy to see UNIFIL telling the truth" Eh !,,,,,,,,It won't be long before they change their minds.Be sure of that
There's no way we'd risk our relationship with Mexico by attacking a sovereign nation over a minor border skirmish--that's one of the big differences between the U.S. and Israel! We are not completely paranoid whack jobs that go off at a moments notice and slaughter civilians or another nation's soldiers on our own border. We would use diplomacy first to discover what happened and then we'd smooth things over. Please, we save major incursions and wars for other people's lands, we don't like to "play" war so close to home!
Please click the following regarding US-Mexican history. http://www.hsgng.org/pages/pancho.htm US troops crossed Mexican border after US attacked by Pancho Villa. And if things don't improve with regard to Mexican drug violence along the border and it spills over in the US, don't be surprised to see a US response.
sorry, but could you make this clearer: "on the northern side of the border fence," it was nonetheless "south of the international borderline." what does that mean? is the fence in the wrong place...? shouldn't they fix that to avoid such incidents in that case.
The fence nearly in its entirety lays within Israeli territory, south of the actual border. Israel routinely patrols the north of the fence, they use the area as a security buffer zone. If they set the fence on the border Lebanese would either constantly destroy it or complain to the UN that the shade from the fence is preventing their gardens from growing properly.
There's the Israeli border, the fence which is on Israeli land, the international border, and the Lebanese border. When the IDF ventures into the international border they report it several hours in advance to UNIFIL who in turn reports it to the Lebanse army who sends forces to watch.
The fense was built by Israel, on Israeli territory, south of the actual UN recongnized border in most areas. The territory north of the fence is (in most places) still Israeli territory, usually by 50 to 100 meters. This is well known both to the UN and Lebanon. The fence has electronic sensors; trees that grow over time right next to the fense sway in the wind and activate the electronic sensors creating false alarms of potential inflitrations, thus they need to be cut cut every few years. Israel notified the UN that it was proceeding with the triming activity, the UN notified Lebanon. Apperently, an officer in the Lebanon Army was either uninformed of the activity, was unaware of the actual border location, thinking the fence was the real border, or purposfully ambushed the Israelis right in front of UN observers, all caught on video tape. This was a clear violation by Lebanon (accidential or purposful), and the UN forces witnessed the eitire thing and confirm it.
Both sides of the fence are Israeli territory, as to allow maintenance works. Is Israel not allowed to build fences on its territory as it wishes ? Why are the LAF so ignorant to know where the border is ?
The actuakl fence has a north side and a south side (logical right) The location of teh fence is actually south of the Blue line or demarcated border. This Blue line is accepted by Both lebanon and ISrael as the official border (do not cross this line) . The IFDFG troops were on teh north side of their own fence which was spouth of teh blue line and dpoing maintenance on teh south side of a northern tree which was also south of teh Norther area of t4eh blue line (do not cross line). The lebs were North of teh North Blue Line and shot south to teh Israeli Observation point which was south still 200 yds from the fence which the IDf troops were on tthe North side of working on teh south dsifde of a tree which was North facing... Clear???. I hope this clears everything up
then why is it that we never hear of it? i can count the times that such things have been reported on two hands. this statement would seem to imply that there are hundreds or thousands of such incidents. i am confused by his statement. perhaps it's a language barrier. can someone explain?
Basically when we talk about the daily provocations they mean Lebanese troops or Hezbollah men either waving Hezbollah flags on the border or shouting and cursing. I suppose there are other versions.
Only violence or extreme situations are reported in the press. For example, the Lebanese army may be required to stay a certain distance from the border but don't, they may yell obscenities at the Israeli army, civilians may send over kites, hang gliders, etc. I lived on the northern border and there were daily warnings and possible incursions a few times a week- we can see the search flares at night, etc. None of this is reported because it is so common. Again, I am only guessing what the IDF means by “daily provocations”.
makes Israel look bad, then rest assured that it will be covered and many commentators ready to vilify Israel. However, if the story makes Israel look good, or the victim, then bbc, cnn, nyt, independent, gaurdian, sky etc..etc.. will have no interest.
Isn't it time to rename yourself to something like "With Allah forever"? Haaretz, why don't you publish something like "Jews are in control of the world", "Jews are the richest and smartest nation of the world", etc. MUCH more pleasant to read!
Many news networks displayed the photo of the soldier over the fence, pretending that the fence is the border (it's not). It's now too late.
Which networks are "pretending" this? Please show what evidence you have of this, and especially that it is done with knowledge of where the actual borders are.
yesterday the international news was flooded with news of Israeli soldiers killing 4 Lebanese and 1 Israeli was killed. Talkbackers talked about how Israel had entered Lebanon etc. so Israel to blame.. Today UNIFIL says Lebanese provoked Israelis and Lebanon admits to being the first to fire. No updated headlines on Al Jazeera, BBC. Only Israeli press and CNN seem to think this is worth the news. It was easy to blame Israel at first but no one seems to want to place any blame on Lebanon.
I was listening to the BBC reporting of the conflict this morning, BBC was very clear about the fact that UNIFIL said that Israel did not enter Lebanese territory. The same thing is shown on the BBC site. I don't know about Al Jazeera (don't read that one) but I'm sure it would come as no surprise to anyone if that paper is anti-Israeli. Claiming that Al Jazeera represents the world's newspapers would be stretching the truth a bit though, don't you think?
Take a look at comments to yesterday's article about this event in Haaretz. Lots of people calling themselves educated and civilized accepted it as the only truth, making that space a hate playgraund, while the fact that Israel told UNIFIL about tree trimming in advance was conveniently omitted.
I read internet news (no tv or radio) and I am commenting on the general habit of media to choose who is right and wrong and omit many facts. The international and more importantly the Arab public is left believing Israel is always wrong and they are always right. Israel is often wrong but it takes two sides to create a conflict.
about Israel flying into Lebanese airspace everyday, in violation of the N Resolution? Oh, right. Israel never does anything wrong.
this might upset some people but seriously it's true, the UN is controlled by america. i mean, america vetoes every single resolution that is critical of israel. they control the game, they provide the embassadors, they control the information flow. america and israel are partners in crime, obviously, so there isn't any way that the UN will ever condemn israel for that.
Even when all the evidence in the world shows it, you have to find some other random claim to blather about.
Oh please!! Israel is angelic! A perfect country with the most moral army in the world. Israel does something wrong? Noooooooooooooooooooo
well if you're country wants to foot the bill let me know, otherwise be quiet.
Why don't you mention the fact that Hizbollah has filled the area south of the Litani River in violation of the UN Resolution? Oh, right you need some excuse to bash Israel.
When Hezbollah itself is a violation of the resolution and continues to arm itself instead of disarming Israel is forced to do fly bys to spot arm smuggling and missile stock locations, like the information it published few weeks back. Until they follow the resolutionss you have no right to cry here.
It'll be an eye-opener.
... to observe Hizbollah rearming against the UN resolution, dingdong.
Thanks for confirming for us what most Israelis already know - that no matter what Israel does, whether rightfully or wrongly is ALWAYS WRONG! I can't wait for the posts by Mr. Johnboy and the like to spew their 'Zevel' on Ha'aretz' talkback. Of course no condemnation of Lebanon's provocative and dangerous action, or condolences to the family of an innocent Israeli soldier who lost his life, but rather a meek attempt to change the subject and thereby justify Lebanon's / Hezbollah's effort to draw the IDF into a new conflict. (remember this next time innocent Lebanese citizens get killed in a coflict - G-d Forbid - due to Israel's response and you cry warcrimes)
Liv wake up and stop blaming Israel. Ever since the first military aircraft was developed nations used to fly over each other to spy. The Soviet Union had weekly flights over North America, USA flew over Soviet Union etc. To-day they use spy satelites which can photograph a quarter from space to spy on each other. Israel is doing what every other nation is doing
Impossible, unless you are Hezbollah or a journalist with a proven anti-Israel track record. Well, maybe ND complies with one or both of the criteria.
FOR REASSON OF FLIGHTS AND TREES. The latter is necessary for VISION as to what is happening over yonder with Hizballah's preparations of weapons etc.. My post was not published.PITY FORIT MAKES IT CLEAR FO THE CUTTING OF TREES. P/S SORRY FOR THE CAPS,,
A necessary evil to gauge what they are preparing for Israel's demize with their weapons which are getting from Iran and rather more sophisticated by the day.Israel needs to keep EYES AND EARS OPEN.THUS THE FLIGHTS.THAT THEY WILL CONTINUE IS SOMETHING HASSAN WILL HAVE TO LIVE WITHIT,OR DIE AS A CONSEQUENCES.I HOPE THE LATTER,
LIV, don't you know that the UN (majority)is contriolled by Muslim/Arab and third world countries!!!
If Israel's neighbours did, would they be brought down?
If Israel's neighbours did, would they be brought down?