Jordan and Syria call for Israeli withdrawal from all Arab lands
Leaders of both states say that Israel must return to pre-1967 borders in order to end Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
By DPA Tags: Israel news Jordan king Syria Bashar Assad Middle East peaceJordanian King Abdullah II and Syrian President Bashar Assad on Monday stressed the need for Israel to pull out from all Arab territories it occupied in the 1967 war, if peace with the Palestinians is to be achieved.
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Syrian President Bashar Assad, left, receives King Abdullah II of Jordan, as he arrives in Damascus, Syria, Monday, May, 11, 2009 |
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Abdullah made a whirlwind visit to Damascus to brief the Syrian leader on the outcome of his talks in Washington last week with United States President Barack Obama, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and Prime
Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, a royal court statement said.
The monarch had attended the six-way meeting on the eve of direct talks between Israel and the Palestinians being relaunched Thursday.
Abdullah and Assad "emphasized that resolving the Palestinian- Israeli conflict on the basis of the two-state vision requires the regaining of all Arab rights in accordance with ... the Arab peace initiative," the statement said.
The Arab peace initiative offered Israel recognition by all Arab states if it pulled out from all Arab territories it occupied in the 1967 Six-Day Warr, including East Jerusalem.
Turkish-brokered peace talks between Syria and Israel had faltered in 2008, reportedly after Damascus insisted on the restoration of the entire Golan Heights, one of the Arab territories the Jewish state captured in the 1967 war.
Abdullah and al-Assad also agreed to continue "coordination and consultation" on all bilateral and regional issues and discussed means of boosting pan-Arab action "to cope with common challenges".
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Israeli occupation and settlement of the Golan and West Bank is a violation of International law. The only claim Israeli has to these territories is based on fictitious history and religious fantasy.
It is good enough that you will have the land pre-1967. Most of you immigrated to Palestine in the 20th century and most of you do not speak Hebrew. If you do not like it, you are free to go back to your countries of origin - central and eastern europe and the US. And Russia of course
The Arab Islamist-Jihadist states like Jordan, Syria and others have NO right to tell Israel to disappear from the Land of Israel. Israel liberated its GOD-GIVEN and GOD-RESTORED historic homeland of Judea and Samaria-Land of Israel from the Arab Islamist-Jihadist occupiers in 1967, just as Spain liberated its historic homeland from the Islamist-Jihadist occupiers in the Medieval. The Arab Islamist-Jihadists have no compunction in claiming the Land of Israel as their land. The world should reject their crap and tell them to stop crusading their Jihadism on Israel but the whole world. It is time to condemn them rather than siding with the dark forces of the world.
British Mandate of Palestine Consisted originally of Jewish Palestine (Cis-Jordan), which is now The State of Israel including the "Westbank" and the Gaza Strip, and Arab Palestine (Trans - Jordan) which is now the Kingdom of Jordan. If the Arabs in Israel "Westbank and Gaza do not like the Jewish regime, then MOVE ON TO JORDAN. In fact the Arabs in the "Territories" are the Occupiers of Jewish land and not the other way round. Alas, the world has been, is and will be against the Jews and the State of Israel. Now they want the dismantling of the State of Israel and the annihilation of the Jews
The "disputed lands" are for the Arab / Muslim side, till now, a plane with variable wings: they are undefined ARAB LANDS or PALESTINE, when it is convenient. That is why in 1948 the Arab / Muslim side who had not in mind any existence of a specific Palestinian people, Jordan river west bank and Gaza strip became parts of Jordan and Egypt, respectively.
And what made the Israeli pre-1967 territories legitimate Israeli land??? the passing of time????
how come such important or so called important head of states and politicians change their mind after visiting assad in syria ? hariri and israell peace talk issue?is assad such a frightening person ?
will make Israel some land and several enemies & threats. Is the security of the whole nation is less important than endless demands of bunch of spoiled settlers?
Which is to vacate ALL land acquired during the illegal preemptive 1967 war. They have pulled the rug from under Abbas feet he will not be able to give away Palestinian land no matter what sweetener Obama or Netanyahu offers him.
ISRAEL CALLS ON SYRIA AND JORDAN TO VACANT ALL LANDS THEY OCCUPY OF THE JEWISH STATE , CREATED BY THE BRITISH FASCISTS.
The issue of pre-1967 borders the Jewish state is reminded about every time is a rhetoric and constant call to the Jewish people by provocation to come out for another conflict by those who are not tired of war. What if Israel lost in 1967 war? Would they be allowed the claim to be in the place they were before the start of that war? Surely, the enemy exibits its own character and will not be subdued without being chained to its own logic! Prevail, Israel. The eyes of the truthful, humble and innocent are on the Jewish State wishing its victory over the giants of the earth.
...again.
And why not remove all a Arabs from Jewish lands?
The arabs say," oh we dont have enough land we want what you spilled your blood over too!", " You gove us peace, we get your land." Seems kind of one sided here.
Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it. Wake up Israel! The fulfillment of this Scripture is at hand.
Problem is that , to them, all land next to theirs is Arab land !
Well, not one person here is able to seriously consider that offer. What if Israel pulls out to 1967 borders, and all Arab nations make peace and recognize Israel? Wouldn't that be worth a try? No? Of course not, you want as much land as you can grab and are surprised that the countries and people form whom you have stolen are angry at Israel.
& for all expenses associated with the period of time during which Arab states were not prepared to recognize Israel & renounced peace. This, of course, amounts to many, many billions of dollars. In addition, there must be a current commitment to peace and recognition by Syrian (Jordan is already formally on side) & any entity that will neighbour Israel. Of course, Jewish areas such as the Jewish Quarter must remain Israeli. Anything acquired by force at any time by Arabs should not be considered Arab lands. That leaves nothing, right?
The word "occupation" also means different things to different people.
King Abdullah II: Remember the time your dad tried to kill my dad? Bashar Assad: Yeah. Uhhh? I was too green to remember. But he would have done it too, if it weren't for that darn Israel. In fact, I could probably squash you right now. I'm bigger than you. Don't forget that! King Abdullah: You do that and that darn Israel will protect us again. Darn them!
Will the Hashemites ever withdraw from that part of Palestine wherein the British created the "Kingdom" of Jordan?
The only thing keeping the peace between Israel and Syria is Israel's control of the Golan. Despite today's technologies, the high ground and control of water still counts. Missiles are one thing, but it is hard to envision Syrian soldiers successfully fighting an uphill battle.
Probably not.
Both seem to forget the reason Israel controls the lands under discussion. Under recognized International law, Israel does not have to return any of the territories gained as a result of defensive military actions such as in 1967. Also, go back further to the Peel Commission, the Partition Plan, the Mandate, the League of Nations, etc etc. What will the Arabs give ?
about international law is incorrect. Defensive, offensive, it does not matter. Territory cannot be acquired by any military acts.
THEY attacked Israel, they lost the war and territories with it, and now THEY call on Israel to return Arab lands? If they wanted Israel to stay within 1967 borders they shouldn't have attacked. They gambled and they lost. I know, the very worst thing you can do to an Arab is humiliate him. Tough sh...!
"Israel launched Operation Focus, a large-scale surprise air strike that was the opening of the Six-Day War." Some day you will lose this BS talking point that "they attacked"
Both seem to forget the reason Israel controls the lands under discussion. Under recognized International law, Israel does not have to return any of the territories gained as a result of defensive military actions such as in 1967. Also, go back further to the Peel Commission, the Partition Plan, the Mandate, the League of Nations, etc etc. What will the Arabs give ?
wouldn't it be enough to say that they want the lands returned to the countries that lost to them? the ideology behind the demand is equally racist.
Was there a peace before 1967? Arabs never accepted existence of a Jewish state, whether it was before 1967 or after. Tough luck- they would have to live with it.
who are NOT Arabs but" Palestinians"??
Well, palestinians are indigenous to Holy Land, and the borders of Holy Land is outlined in the Bible, so I guess you are right, they are arabized but still palestinians. Or would you call askhenazim not real jews because their genepool is a bit diluted.
Aretz Israel was a promise given to the children of Israel. We are witnessing the restoration of the people of Israel to their land as a part of the promises from G-d. The backside of the promise is that Israel's enemies will drink from the cup of His wrath.
Why are all the Arabs focusing on the pre-1967 borders? They attacked Israel in order to destroy it. They attacked again in 1968, 1973, etc....etc. Now they want Israel to give up everything, again (like Gaza), so they can make the next attack even easier and this is what the world wants? Well now they better negotiate a better deal. So the Pals better offer something more concrete rather than threats.
When the burden of Damascus is fulfilled according to Bible Prophecy the arabs who seek to steal away God's promised Land will no longer utter such insane demands.
Despite all his talk about the urgency of establishing a Palestinian state, Abudulla still wants that Israel withdraw from ALL the land captured in 1967. There is no way Israel will agree to that and he knows it. They all know it. Arabs don´t want a peace agreement, period.
I see.....Now I know the rules....Jordan and Syria attack......if they win they keep their spoils......and if they loose they want all their marbles back ! If they get back 1 pebble its too much !
So does Obama and the international community therefore nothing earth shaking here. Also nice photo. Maybe those two figured out they have common interests that now have become of great importance indeed.
Siria wanted to destroy israel, attacked israel and they losT. like the other arabs, each war they started, each war they lost. why must Israel give the golan to the sirians? they lost that territory, Israel won, what would happened if siria won the war?...........
I'm not sure why a peruvian national comments on israel's occupation of the Golan.
Golan belongs to Israel, as much as Tel Aviv belongs to Uganda.
PLEASE STOP THIS NON-SENSE. NO PEACE TILL YOU RETURN ALL THE STOLEN LAND
Siria wanted to destroy israel, attacked israel and they losT. like the other arabs, each war they started, each war they lost. why must Israel give the golan to the sirians? they lost that territory, Israel won, what would happened if siria won the war?........... after WWI Turkey murdered all armenian population of their empire and stole their land. ¿somebody say something? morroco does not want to give western sahara... somebody say something? that are no more arab lands...... they lost a war and now cry.... tipically
If the 1967 borders are acceptable to the Arab states now....why were they not good then...back in 1967 ?
And they will be calling Israel to go back to the 1948 borders Then after that the 1920 Borders, oh that is right there was no Israel in 1920
Withdrew, Israeli won the war...and there is no pressure from Jordan or Syria on Israel to withdrew...so your majesty and excellency..you do not have many options...you should either win a war (and then gain back land exactly like Israel) or put pressure on Israel to see that peace is better than status quo. Other than that there is no urgency for Israel to give you anything.
where you residing prior to 1967 in Nablus which was then Jordan? as JOrdanian do you hold a JOrdanian passport today ?
The 1967 borders do not exist any more. The entire arab world has dismissed those borders 3 times, namely the 6 Day war, the 1973 invasion of Isreal and the muslim world's refusal to recognise Isreal as a nation.
Better to just have another '67 type war and run the Palestinians completely out of Israel and back to Palestine (Jordan). If you can't make peace with them then lick 'em good !
Israel only fights preemptive war as a means of distracting world attention from their savagery and land theft, The conflict with Georgia but Putin was too clever and too quick, the war with Iraq resulted in a quagmire for the US. Israel drum beat to another war with Iran that failed only because Iran's arsenal might well contain many surprises.
UNSCR 242: "Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war" "Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict" Link: http://unispal.un.org/unispal.nsf/0/7D35E1F729DF491C85256EE700686136
Barring a gift from another nation, there are only two ways to "acquire" territory: purchase it from another country, as the US did with the Louisiana Purchase and Alaska, or conquer it in war. Acquisition of territory by war is most certainly "admissible" so long as wars are "admissible" - Peace on Earth, anyone?
But it does not say all territories.
The refusal by Arab states of the first UN Resolution on the subject (1947 Nov 22: resolution 181) and their attack in order to "acquire territories by war" have triggered the conflict. No need of any http link for that.
hypocrits
Abdullah is starting to sound more and more like Assad everyday rather than like his father who mellowed over time Abdullah is becoming more and more hardline. I do hope that when Mubarak dies his son is not going to start becoming more radical the way Assad & Abdullah are. we are once again being told by the arabs its our way of the high way ... accept our plan in full because its the only thing on offer. There will be no return to the 1967 border a palestinian entity of some form may be created if the details are NEGOTIATED not dictated the way the arabs love doing. We will not give Assad the Golan or what he is actually after Kineret water .. Syria has a water shortage not a land shortage and its the Kineret Assad wants most. Peace or no peace Israel cannot afford to give up the Golan for both security and economic reasons. Assad is no military threat so let him go to hell. Time for the arabs to let Israel and individual arab groups work out their own deals and then have them recognized no strings attached.
If one part of Palestine cannot be called "Jewish" then another cannot be called "Arab" - right? Or is it only "Jewish" part which does not suppose to exist?
Palestinians don't call palestine arab, its the israelis that call indigenous palestinians arab because of their arabized culture, even though non-arabs are also palestinians. These non-palestinians talk in terms israelis understand, arab part and jewish part, correct terms would be palestinian and israeli.
You cannot compare "Jewish" State with "Arab" State. You should say "Islamic" State, or "Christian" State if you want to compare. If you want to use the term "Arab", then you should also use the term "Hebrew".
as simple. Besides 20% of israelis are arabs luvyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
America pays Egypt and Jordan an annual allowance to keep peace with Israel. Israel chooses to interpret this as not just keeping peace, but also keeping Israel happy. In the past, when African refugees were crossing the border from Egypt into Israel, the Israelis promptly reported it to the American congress who immediately shaved 100 million of Egypts allowance for that year. Needless to say, Egypt began a shoot to kill policy which has kept illegals into Israel to a minimum. Egypt has also tried to keep Israel happy in other ways. Jordan is another story. King Abdullah II occassionally grumbles and criticizes Israel, but nothing that Israel could really go running to congress with. Did he finally cross the line with his latest announcement?
rule the West Bank again? They are at peace with Israel and known for their strong handling of extremists... If this sounds naive, please excuse the ingenuity of a European who only visited Israel once!
family who was appointed to rule Jordan. This so-called king and his forefathers were imported from Arabia by the Brits and the are the ones who need to leave Palestine. After that the Palestinian State and Jordan can combine.
Egypt would get Gaza (again) and the West Bank would go to Jordan (again). Problem is, Egypt doesn't want Gaza and Jordan doesn't want more Palestinians. Jordan renounced its claims to the West Bank in July 1988. Historically there has never been a Palestinian nation and the Palestinian National Movement is relatively young. Israel would find it a very easy solution to offload these territories onto the Egyptians and Jordanians but neither of those countries want the problems that come with those lands. As for Syria, there is no benefit in giving the Golan heights to them. Israelis are not desperate to visit the markets of Damascus or go Sunbathe on the beaches of Latakia. Syria likewise has made no attempt to convince the Israelis of any real benefit to Israel that would be received in turn for the Golan Heights. Not only does the Golan provide a strategic defence to Israel, it is a sombre reminder to the Arabs that when they go to war with Israel, they run a risk of losing territory, and if they are not prepared to risk losing territory, then they should refrain from war. Finally, why should Israel cozy up and make peace overtures with another dictatorship that subjugates its people - it wouldn't be a very pro-Human Rights move now would it?
Fair is fair....no?
I agree with you a hundred percent. If they cannot find a way to make peace, the best scenario would be the West Bank joining back with Jordan and Gaza should be reunited with Eygpt. Jerusalem can be shared with Israel and Jordan. If peace is not possible between the Israelis and Palestinians,then other alternatives, except violence, should be explored. This seems like a "just" and "fair" situation. Lebanon needs to start treating the Palestinians as equals and as citizens of Lebanon.
I doubt holy land/palestine/israel can combine with anything...its borders are outlined by G_D himself and there is no jordan, egypt, lebanon, syria inside of it, its just simply Holy Land. So stop the bull about jordan being part of holy land, and don't confuse the zionist dream israel with the actual israel of today and the bible.
The problem with Syria is that it wants land, not peace. When Sadat and King Hussein of Jordan reached out their hand in peace to Israel then Israel responded in kind and returned their land and the borders between the countries are secure. Syria refuses to meet face to face with any Israeli leaders, has armed Hezbollah with tens of thousands of rockets and is storing ballistic missiles from Iran to give to Hezbollah to cause massive death and destruction in Israel. Syria accuses the Jewish people of blood libel every Passover. If Syria truly wanted peace it would meet face to face with Israelis and stop arming a terrorist group that the U.S. State Department has called no different than Al Queda. The sad truth is that there will never be peace in the Middle East no matter how much land Israel gives up. The only way there is a chance for a real peace is if and when the axis of evil: Iran, Syria, and Hezbollah are dealt a crushing defeat. You cannot and never will be able to make peace with those whose words emulate Hitler's and who delight in the murder of your women and children.
That you do not know History (Israel consistently refuses to give back Golan in total integrity) or that you voluntarily distort it (meaning you live in the US Bible Belt)... My guess? The second: It is impossible to distort History when you do not know it. And to use Empirical data to prove this - the US citizens have problems tracing Canada on the map. If it is so, imagine the Golan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, North Korea. Do you know what was the Ummayad Capital? Answer me correctly and I'll give you benefit of doubt...
Should Israel also impose conditions for peace?
as syria has a very hostile history towards israel, the returning of land has to be linked to a pact, that no military forces or equipment (antennas etc) may be placed on it nor exercises being held there etc...
demand that SIrael pull out of all Arab territories conquered in six day war in 1967. then there will be peace. Nothing like having a good negotiation is tehre. Arabs always with teh demands. Come and talk to us and pout something on teh table. Simpkly saying you will get peace is not enough. We can bomb youre asses into peace if we have to, but prefer not to. So stop teh bravado, put ti all on teh table , lets see where it goes from there, or shut up. we dont need any more trouble makers in pour talks with the palis. As for Jordan it should be very quiet before palis get the notion that Jordan is tehir legitimate homeland... this could be an idea still to come oh mighty King
You will eventually have to go back to your original borders whether you like it or not. Palestinians do not have to put anything on the table. You have already taken more from the table than any guest should - more than half of Historic Palestine. Now it is called Israel. Keep up the hostility Sabra and maybe soon there will no longer be a chance for peace and it might not be you who is doing the bombing. Your arrogance is what is making the rest of the world sick and it will be your undoing very soon.
if u really want peace what are you willing to give up in exchange for a palistinian state? why is it always isreal making consessions?why dont you give up east jerusaem?
But let me educate you a little. Firstly, Jerusalem is just as important, just as holy for Muslims as it is for the Jews! Secondly, yes Israel has to hand back stolen land! Israel cannot claim that lands gained are the "spoils of war", because the lands were "gifted" to Israel in the first instance!! You cannot then go and steal yet more land!! No one, and in no time in history has it ever been claimed land is yours because of "divine right"!!
LOL how is that a concession? they are asking of Israel to respect the law and stop OCCUPYING LAND that is NOT RECOGNIZED by international law. what the hell kind of a fantasy land are you living in? That's hardly a peace agreement or a negotiation, its called following and respecting the law.
or don't watch the news or t.v . if israel kept east jeruselem (which is not a option) it would be arab free in a couple of years
Consession. The formula is simple and logical to solve the Mideast problem , give back what dosen't belong to you in exchange for peace . This has been done through out history for peace countries have always returned land they've got through wars.
It is not a concession to Israel to return all Arab lands to the respective countries involved it is returning illegaly occupied land and Palestinians do not have to give Israel anything in return. Palestinians have already given Jews a Homeland called Israel.
And when Russia is going to return Konigsberg back to Germany? Or Sakhalin to Japan? Or Czechs allow Germans to live in Sudetenland? Or France give back Elzas to Germany? Or Poland Silesia to Germany? Or Ukraine its Western part to Poland? I can go on and on and on...
What Abdullah needs for thousands of Palestinians to try to take over his kingdom through open revolution like the PLO did in the early 70s ! Of course they were driven out by the tens of thousands and slaughtered !
I dont understand why all arabs and some israelis think that we give a damn, Palestine and Palestinians are not our problem, we gave them refuge from war, they are our neighbors, but we will not accept anyone in our land but us... PERIOD..