Israeli students plan own flotilla to meet next Gaza convoy at sea
Student Union chairman says 400 yacht owners interested in initiative to sail to northern Turkey or Cyprus.
By Yossi Melman, Asaf Shtull-Trauring and Jack Khoury Tags: Israel news Gaza flotillaIsrael's National Student Union is planning a flotilla with hundreds of yachts from Israel to meet at sea any new humanitarian aid flotillas heading toward the Gaza Strip.
According to Boaz Toporovsky, the union's chairman, 400 yacht owners have expressed interest in the initiative, which is expected to start up in two weeks.
"Our wish is to talk with the members of the flotilla, to see if they want to talk to us, and to ask them why the problems of Israel, in Gaza and Palestine, are disturbing them," Toporovsky told Haaretz last night.
"We would ask why they are not talking about the Kurdish minority or the Armenians that were murdered or many other problems? We want to expose the truth, this hypocrisy and the absurdity."
Even though there are reports from Turkey, Iran and European activists that ideas exist for another flotilla to Gaza, it appears there are no concrete plans to break the blockade in the coming two weeks.
The Free Gaza movement has begun another round of fundraising for an aid flotilla, and there is talk that a three-ship mission will be organized.
Meanwhile, the student union and a nongovernmental organization of former navy personnel are trying to raise funds for leasing a ship that will travel to Turkey to protest in favor of the Kurds.
Toporovsky says that "we thought of an idea of sailing to Turkey or to the northern part of Cyprus, or to southern Turkey, where there is a concentration of Kurds."
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Israeli students demonstrate in favor of the IDF's raid of the Gaza flotilla, outside the Technion in Haifa on June 2, 2010. |
| Photo by: Tomer Neuberg |
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At last. My only issue with this idea is that it should be a flotilla ( or land-based convoy) directly through Turkey to give aid to the PKK. Perhaps that would get Turkey to stop using Israel as a distraction for its own purposes.
This is the kind of communication we need. Let's hope it makes the media.
Starving their neighbours and dropping white Phospherous on children. Talk is over --Action is what is now needed. BTW---We can flood the Israeli ports with far more Yachts than these Students can. You sure you want to start a Yacht War.
Hey, it would be a great idea to have the Gazan Students set sail to join the Israeli Students in sailing to Turkey to send aid to the Kurds. Oh, wait. That's right, the IDF would sink their ships the moment they got more than 3 miles off shore of their own land. Well short of even international waters. That would be yet another condemning contrast between how Israel mistreats Gazans. Israeli students with aid? Let them sail. Gazan students with aid? Blow them out of the water.
Whatever divides Greek and Turkish Cypriots, their criticism of Israeli occupation of Palestine unites them. Wake up Israel.
It will provide great contrast and additional shame for the IDF, when these people are allowed to land in port and do whatever they want. Jews go to Turkey and Cyprus all the time, and are welcome to come. Videos of the Jewish protestors staying up late and getting drunk in the Discos while nobody obstructs them in any way what-so-ever will contrast greatly with the photos of the dead Turks killed by the IDF.
turkish cypriots should welcome those students. i think it will be a great opportunity for north to show its tourism potential to israel. north is a very cheap and truly peaceful location. besides, as you know, north is still under embargo even though they voted for unification in 2003 which was rejected by greek cypriots, so it also serve as a recognition, if they sail there with israel-flagged ships. cheers
I've been to Turkey when there was trouble going on (1983). Students at the University were shot indiscriminately the year before and soldiers walked around Istanbul with their fingers *on the triggers* of their sub-machine guns. One's life was worth maybe 2 cents. The West knows all about Turkey's history, be assured. There's a very good reason why the EU has no plans to welcome them anytime soon, esp. with Erdogan's fealty to the Umma vs. to Ataturk's conception of a Turkish nation. I post this only to remind Israelis that the world is not being fooled here.
How about a fact finding trip. I recommend that you, rich folks with yachts, sail to Gaza instead and try to live their lives for a day or two, I assure you they will be good hosts and will offer you any food they have, if any. May be you’ll change your mined.
I am sure the flotilla will be towed to nearest customs and make a demonstration and have kebabs and wine but I am not sure if these student will be able to finance the huge cost. bear in mind that IHH operates in 100 countries .I am very angry about the killings despate i am not a religiously motivated man. I watched many program about IHH and get the impression that they can not be linked to Al-kaide, hamas or extremist.
Great initiative of the students, this is a peaceful way to embarrass countries who are not acting according international laws regarding basic human rights violations like countries as Israel Turkey and many others.
"Our wish is to talk with the members of the flotilla, to see if they want to talk to us, and to ask them why the problems of Israel, in Gaza and Palestine, are disturbing them," Are you kidding me? I would ask them how disturbing they would be if they had to live under an occupation for over 60 years and have a blockade inforced against Israel. I am sure that these "Students" are all young members of the Likud party. What a pathetic question to ask. Are they so stupid and brainwashed that they do not realize right from wrong?
So rather than go to Gaza and see WHY other countries/people have a problem with the blockade et al, these "brave" students want to meet the activists and ask them. My misguided budding Israeli students, every country has skeletons in their closet. Asking Turkey about the Armenian massacre will open the way for them to ask about massacres Israel committed/assisted in. Go to Gaza, if you really care and want to know why!
There is nothing older than yesterdays news. The flotilla episode is already yesterdays news. It has died it's natural death. This will only revive the whole sad incident again. A wise person knows when to leave well alone. The government should stop it, as it will only give more fuel to the Israeli bashers. The students who seem to have a lot of time, and money. Would be better employed helping Israel's poor.
This should be our goal. We must get the US congress to put sanctions on them. Get them thrown out of sports competitions, Olympics etc. Of course, the present generation of Turks are not personally responsible but they DO have the responsibility to admit that it happened.
you can help to cyprus people there is nothing with it as long as it has humanatires kurd and armenians ? nonsense my university friends if you want to give punisment to turkey there is many other way to do. this action indicates lack of israeli education as well
Shalom ,I see a Hypothetical Greek Cypriot complaining for the Israeli Flotila headed to occupied Cyprus?? That is a Big Bull. In reality Greek Cypriots are welcoming an opportunity to show the real face of Turkish fascism with Israels help. Plus, Turks, please dont hide behind fake accounts and vote negative on israeli commets in an Israeli Newspaper.. Long Live Israel and Hellenism. One more think for the editorial crew of Haaretz please allow my comments to be published. Until now none of them have been seen??? To-Da.. My message to Turks is :Free Cyprus, Free the Kurds and recognize the Armenina Genocide.
I think the students are welcome as long as they dont bring Mosad agents and the IDF with them.
Turkey will have a field day while showing the work how turkey deals with peace campaigners compared to israel.
Turkey's version of peace activists is to hire some common Turkish thugs, pay then to attack Israeli soldiers, and then call them "martyrs" when they die.
Briliant idea, go for it, we need thousand of jews to be a part of it, lets not keep silent anymore, Turky must be stoped from any further provocation, that will lead 2 war, lets show them that "Am Israei Hai ve kaiam
by the Turkish army? you just accept that? without investigation? I thought first those students wanted to come with a message of peace, but it just the same old song: pointing to others and their mistakes. Without any consideration that their country illegally entered (piracy!) a ship and killed 9 civilians. Shot in the back, shot in the head, shot more than once. That for 'selve-defence'. Israel is so beyond wrong... So no new hope on the horizon with this kind of young generation...
Kol-a-Kavod to these students for displaying their solidarity with their government with such class and integrity, when practically the whole world is turning on it. Just show the world how it is done and may HaShem be with you! I wish I was in Israel (like I am annually in February-March to visit my mother) to join or be of assistance to these students on this peaceful voyage (even though I am not a student) but a mother of three.
Turkey is not holding Kurds in a virtual prison, limiting what they get, holding their borders, air, and sea as hostage will strangling the innocents. Turkey did not just murder over 1300 civilians, not kill 9+ civilians in International waters, Turkey does not have Turk only roads, nor does it make Kurds stand in line for hours to travel. Israel apartied will go the way of South Africa's apartied...END. No call for the end of Israel...just to the end of it's racism, apartied, and double standards. Only democratic nation? Yes, for Jews Only.
No Kurds in a prison, they're just killed by the hundreds every year by the Turkish army. Treated as second class citizens, they're language made illegal. They don't get one vote for each, otherwise they would control 1/4 of Turkey since they number 17 million. Israel's Arabs are allowed to vote and given equal representation even though they commit treason all the time. How is that apartheid?? You dishonor the black S African struggle by calling Israel Apartheid!!
The Armenians the student body refer to being massacred in WWI are also Muslim. So what, they are saying "you did it too"... Stand up and show some initiatve Israeli's, look to a future with your Muslim brothers, we are all one on this planet.
The unemployable anarchists , mixed with Islamic extremists , terrorist supporters , misguided publicity-seeking leftists , outright antisemites ..... and an other full smorgasbord of misfits from every dark corner of hate are unacceptable to reason . So it makes sense to confront , but little to be gained .
LET the ISRAELI ARMY -NAVY DEAL with these TERRORISTS... there will be TERRORISTS on Board those ships who want to take hostages.... WAKE-UP STUDENTS.... IT'S A TRAP....
Please go back and stay under the rock you life esther.
you mean like withdrawing from Gaza, tearing down settlements there? Or perhaps you mean the brutality of kidnapping and holding for ransom an Israeli soldier, or the firing of missiles and rockets into Israel? No western country, no democracy, would tolerate that on its borders, within rocket range of its largest cities. Turkey doesnt siege the Kurds, because Turkey runs Kurdistan. No occupation, cause its annexed.
There is no place called Kurdistan. There is only Turkey. And Kurds living in our soil has their Turkish ID. Like the Spanish Americans, Mexican Americans or Turkish Americans.
Just to remind you and many others like you that Kurds were and still live in this region many centuries before the Turks (Tatars and Mongols) invasion to Minor Asia. We had Kings and Kingdoms. But the Devil-Man: AtaTurk destroyed our hope to have a free state.
They are kurds ans stop negationist propaganda And recognize the armenian genocide, first !
You might do better sailing around to Gaza to see how people there are ' living'.
Turkey could be a very good and strong mediator to solve the Gaza and Palestinian problem and also bring peace to the ME if acted in a balanced way. Unfortunately Erdogan try to help a Hamas controled Gaza (a decleared terror group that does not recognize Israel) and killed scores of it's own Fatah palestinians. Turkey must first deal with the core issue of Hamas and terror.To remind you all Israel withdrew from Gaza only to watch a terror group taking over and firing daily on Israel.Would Turkey likes if Israel will support a PKKL and organize a flotila to help them????
Israil is sporting PKK secretly for years. It is a well known fact.
There is no future for Israel with the old guard who are bitter and twisted - such as the likes of Bibi who will only lead you into further hatred and farther away from peace for your children.
After having talked to activists and protested for the rights of Kurds, they could continue to the Gaza strip with their yachts and talk to Palestinian students there. If that got more people to talk to each other that would be an excellent outcome!
Israel has many decades pursued a policy of not backing calls for the Armeninian massacre to be designated a Genocide, it has used its lobby in many countries to avoid this occuring. The reason why it has pursued this policy is to prevent the Nazi genocide against the jews from being just another genocide in the worlds history and to present it as a unique event from which it today still draws political capital.
Israel has never lobbied anyone not to recognize genocide. its true that Israel has not recognized the genocide itself because of its strong ties with Turkey which it doesn't want to jeopardize. The U.S. does the same by the way. friendship with
"We would ask why they are not talking about the Kurdish minority or the Armenians that were murdered or many other problems? We want to expose the truth, this hypocrisy and the absurdity." Looking at the big picture the hypocrisy is at your side. Why didn't you say anything about that when Turkey's relationships with Israel were OK? Heck, even Peres denied the Armenian genocide in a 2001 interview with a turkish newspaper. Haaretz haven't been publishing any of my comments recently... I would really like to have an answer about how this comment (and others) were not published in a "Free Speech" newspaper
So it's crimes will be ignored. Israel was one of many to fear Turkey but no more! Justice will be served and Turkey's current and historical crimes reveled to the world!
"to ask them why the problems of Israel, in Gaza and Palestine, are disturbing them". Let me safe you the trip, most countries that consider themselves friends of Israel care because the open lies and brutalities of Israel in the last few years against the Palestinians makes them feel ashamed. Ashamed of their friend and ashamed of their friendship and it causes problems with their own consciousness and people. Of course there is a big focus on Israel and other brutalities in the world are largely ignored, which is awful. The reason for this is that Israel is still considered in most of the western world as a free democracy with morals and values similar to our own. To see Israel cause so much suffering for families in gaza challenges our own morals and values. Not all critique comes from enemies, sometimes it comes from friends and it is a sign of caring. If Israel is blind for this they will alienate themselves from world.
so the message is that the jews are doing to the palestinians what the turks did to the armenians?
the Israeli's are doing to the Palestinians what the German's did to them. They learned well.
Because "the German-Jewish organization Jewish Voice for Peace in the Middle East is preparing a Jewish flotilla to the Gaza Strip": http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3899915,00.html I'm sure this Jewish regatta between pro- and contra groups will provide for great pictures! Let's hope there will be a live transmission.
Nothing wrong with making your concerns known on the Kurd matter. So lease your ships and sail to Turkey to make you points. Interference with any future humanitarian aid flotillas destined for Gaza will be viewed with world wide disdain and rightfully so.
Very good initiative towards Historical Populations and historical humanitarian TRUTH. Good luck for this initiative.Shalom
Kurdish citizens doesn't seem to support any Israeli "protest". They feel like the rest of the world. By the way, Israel and Israel lobby in US has been supporting Tukey's arguments on Armenian so-called genocide claim. What changed?
TO mk knowledge, the Kurds are not denied building supplies, paper, and many other non-military items that are prohibited from Gaza as part of the collective punishmennt.
Brainwashing and indoctrination by Israel. That's why this comment will never show
These are great initiatives, the more we can embarrass government's who are ignoring international laws and basic human rights like Israel and other's the better. So this Israeli student initiative is great, targeting Turkey.
I'm a turkish cypriot living in the south, and a political science graduate. I think this wouldn't receive too much support by greek cypriots(who are overwhelmingly just like the greeks of greece pro palestinian by default ), and would antagonize israeli interests in the North Cyprus casino industry(i assume). Also, Israel is giving in to Turkey's provocations, which aims and is becoming(Due to such incidents) leader amongst Muslims and Arabs. An increasing nationalist sentiment will lead to governments more on the right as now,and this will cause Israel to further close in. No one wants to support or lobby for Israel, except jews, due to such pariah behaviour. Yeah, I agree Israel has a right to defend itself, and kudos to the jews to building such a developed country despite little resources and constant terrorist attacks, but as I say again, giving into provocations will lose Israel its few remaining non jewish supporters, and a "no one likes us we don't care" attitude is less effective in a post cold war era
This is a fantastic idea. I actually had the idea myself yesterday and wrote about it in different chats. I also suggest the Poles and German students have a flotilla o go to Iran and ask them why they want to destroy Israel? Author " Leaving Home Going Home , Returning Home : A Hebrew American's sojourn in the Land of Israel.
joint by diaspora jews . It is about time to stand up for Israel.
''It is about time to stand up for Israel'' ???? Are you serious? what do you think America has been doing all these years? Looking at whats happening now with Turkey, i say ITS ABOUT TIME SOMEONE STOOD UP FOR PALESTINE!
Until then, it has impunity to occupy, settle, discriminate, murder, kidnap, imprison, etc.... The fact that Turks have their own dirty laundry doesnt mean that they might not be right about Israeli Jews in regards to Palestinians. The fact that Israeli Jews have dirty laundry, doesnt mean you're not right about Turks in regards to Kurds. Jewish Israeli arguments against Turks critisizing Israel; that Turkey has its own problems, are merely Israeli deflections. Turkish arguments against Israel critisizing Turkey; that Israel has its own problems, are merely Turkish deflections. The point is that BOTH problems MUST be addressed. The answer is NOT that both problems should be ignored, till both are solved. This is circular! You both make this argument. Shame on you BOTH! If anything, I say good on the Turkish activists for Palestinians, and good on ALL activists, regarding ALL conflicts and oppressed peoples. And yes, good on Jewish Israeli activists for Palestinians and Turkish activists for Kurds. It is you who bring attention to the plight of all peoples. And at least I, unlike these Israeli students, do recognise that not everyone can fight in the cause of the plight of every single people in every single nation. This is obvious. So stop with the baseless argment that "A" first solve his conflit with the plight of "B" before "A" can help "D" in his plight with "C". There are no priorities! It's just that we cannot expect a person take on the plight of someone with whom he is disputing with in the first place, and then make that the basis of whether he can or cannot help the plight of another. As a Kurd, I would say to Israelis, instead of merely paying lip serivce to Kurds, do actually help the Kurds. Be active in our plight. And to those Turks with whom our conflict is with, don't be deterred from helping the Palestinians in their plight, merely because you happen to subjugate us Kurds. At you Turkish pro-Palestinians activists see oppression when its happening to others, not necesarily when it is your own people doing it to us. But then, that is just an assumption of mine, because, who am I or anyone to say that someone who is pro-Palestinian doesnt have other causes for other people, even a Turk siding for a Kurd in the Turk/Kurd conflict.
"He who walks with Turkeys can not soar with eagles"
Interesting way of how to distract world`s attention from an actual problem of Palestine..
like thousands of Israeli tourist sailing to all parts of Turkey are doing each year. Btw, N.Cyprus harbors are also open to you but you have to check with corresponding governments to see if S. Cyprus and Armenia harbors are open as Turkey is not posing any restrictions on them. Do you really don't get, do you.
People in (Northern) Cyprus is not suffering, they do not need to be helped. We have food, wealth, and we are in EU. Israel should not drag Cyprus to these childish game, do not forget in the flotilla there was lots of Greeks as well. Cyprus will not welcome this retaliation from Israel to Turkey using Cyprus, this issue between Turks and Israel using Cyprus. Isrrael should not try to provoke more nations by wrong decisions instead they should concentrate on their internal affairs and try to fix the Gaza problem. Cyprus is a european union nation, and any non european vessel enters to its waters would be penalized under European Law. We do not need Israel help to solve our issues with Turkey. Do not come to Cyprus(northern or south) to provoke Turkish.
Three cheers for these students. It's time the world woke up to the hypocrisy and double standards of the international anti-Israel brigade.
''It's time the world woke up to the hypocrisy and double standards of the international anti-Israel brigade. '' LOL sometimes i wonder if Israel supporters can actually keep a straight face when writing rubish like this. Hypocricy and Double standards are what Israel is all about. The foundations of Israel is laid with spinning the truth until you dont know when your lieing anymore.
If they're anything like Israeli settlers they will be even more vicious than the IDF.
400 rich people are going to take their yachts for a spin and find out why these pesky foreigners are so annoyed about Gaza. By george we'll show them what's what, how dare they come over here and try to help sick/dying children!
WE GREEK CYPRIOTS LOVE AND SUPPORT ISRAEL'S FIGHT AGAINST THIS HYPOCRISY THEATRE SET BY TYRKEY. OPEN A HISTORY BOOK AND FIND OUT WHY TURKEY IS A GENOCIDE NATION, DEEP IN ITS DNA. WE GREEK CYPRIOTS HAVE SUFFERED AND ARE STILL SUFFERING FROM THIS 'WANNA BE MIDDLE EAST POLICEMAN' NATION. I WAS WATCHING 'DEFIANCE' FILM A FEW DAYS AGO WITH TEARS AFTER REMINDING ME HOW MUCH JEWISH PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED AS WELL IN THE PAST... WE HERE IN CYPRUS, FEEL GOOD AT THE IDEA THAT TURKEY CANNOT INTIMIDATE ISRAEL LIKE IT HAS INTIMIDATED CYPRUS AND GREECE FOR CENTURIES...
Yes, sail to Turkey and press the Kurdish question. And on the way (and it IS on the way) pay a courtesy call to Cyprus and ask the Turks there why they divided and occupied half the country (including half the capital city).
Any civilian ship coming to Turkey from Israel is welcome. Be confident and sure that we will not treat you as we have been treated! let me give two simple answers for the Cyprus, Kurdish and Armenian Issues. 1- The reason why Turkey entered Cyprus in 1974 was that a Cypriot organization called EOKA was murdering Turkish Cypriots (1/5 of the total population) and UN did not care about it. 2- The Kurdish issue can only be solved if PKK drops its guns, stop attacking to civilians and state investments in the region. 3- The Armenian issue has been brought to the international community in a single point of view. No body wants to discuss the Turkish villages burnt, the children murdered, the women raped by armenians before the so-called genocide.
If these youing people get on any ship or boat bringing aid they will get a list of things Israel outlaws that are no threat to Israel. Maybe they are ignorant o fthe fact that Israel bans things like chocolate, sage,cardamom,coriander,ginger,jam, and so many other items that are no threat to the State of Israel. The blockade is a form of punishment for 1.5 million Palestinians in Gaza in voting in Hamas. Why ban these things if it was not??
The day the IDF killed those 9 Turks that came looking for martyrdom, the Turkish army probably killed 90 Kurds. Turkey killed Greek soldiers when invaded Northern Cyprus. Turkey killed so far 60,000 Kurds, inside Turkey and in neighbouring Iraq. Turkey has killed 1,5 million Armenians, never apologized or compensated them.
turkey subject Kurds and others to supression and bombing them in Iraq ,they are hypocrites
These students are brainwashed to the point where they don't get even why the world is shocked at the situation in Gaza. Turkey has a shaky records on its minorities, but you can't even compare its Southeastern provinces to the Palestinian territories. The Kurdish minority is not living in a sewer infested, open air prison behind military walls like the Gazans are. Their children are not being bombed with white phosphorous and being denied toys and chocolate. You'd have to go back to the Siege of Sarejevo to find comparable levels of war crimes and collective punishment.
If it is such a bad situation in Gaza, why is Hamas refusing the aid from the ships that Israel sent to the border? Because the "aid" from the ships is just a front for making trouble for Israel. This "aid" filled 25 trucks. Israel sends 100 trucks of aid per day to Gaza. Hamas does not care about the people of Gaza.
Boaz Toporovsky said: "...ask them why the problems of Israel, in Gaza and Palestine, are disturbing them." Oh boy! If an Israeli student union leader has to ask such a question, things are even worse than I imagined. But let's try and answer anyway: William Hague, the UK Foreign Secretary and a member of Conservative Friends of Israel from the age of 15, describes the Gaza blockade as "a humanitarian disaster" that must be lifted. OK? By the way, Boaz, when you and your friends are out on your yachts off Gaza, spare a thought for the Gazan fishermen who face restrictions that, "..have driven many of the territory's 3,000 fishermen into poverty." (Haaretz)
has nothing to do with another. The peace activists from the flottila and IHH very well criticize Turkish military for actions against Kurds. In fact, many IHH members are Kurds themselves. You guys have a distorted image of Turkeys people. We may have our differences. But on this, we are all against the zionist state's crimes. So don't try to play Kurds off against their Turkish brothers in your naive, foolish way. It won't work.
"Expose the hypocrisy of the Turks concerning Armenia and the Kurdish minority"? Why does Israel do everything to reject the Law? Were you not sojourners in Egypt? Do you gather all from your fields and leave any for the poor, the widow, or the stranger? Why do you do the things you hate Israel? These actions make you a reproach among nations. Turn from your evil. Turn to the Law. Walk in the way of the Lord like your leaders of old and the favor of the Lord will return unto you.
I am afraid but this is another poorly conceived and organised media stunt, or shall we say desperate reaction to what is a collective message to a regime that routinely opresses, starves and stiffles the ability of another race to the same rights they fought for through the use of proaganda and supression of abuses against others. If the Israeli regime was even remotley interested in humanity for other nations, kurds or even aremenians then they would encourage the internal reflection within their generations to acknowledge the suffering and blood on their hands as a count of the Palestinian "holocaust". Its not fair to keep staining the hands and hearts of innocent and peace-deserving Israelis for the sake of a generation that harbours a deep and unforgiving hatred to all and any opposed to their own greed and vengeance. "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you". This is Israel's moral dilemna and the only way forward for millions of innocent jews and arabs.
Have these people been asleep? There was a huge diplomatic fallout between certain European nations and Turkey just recently over the fact that certain European nations decided to officially say that the Armenian Genocide is in fact a genocide. Besides, why on earth would the situation the Kurds are in and the Armenian Genocide that happened 95 years ago at all be relevant in relation to the blockade of Gaza? I suppose that's the absurdity bit?
I understand the frustration but this will backfire badly.First they don't understand the Kurds in that they ( kurds ) will make a deal with Turkey and turn on the Israeli's.Second there is a chance for real confrontation and loss of life,I would hope they think twice.
Obviously these students need to study a little harder and read a little more - Turkey has not imposed a 'blockade' on the Kurds to starve them of food, medical supplies, or any form humanitarian aid. The parallel doesn't work. These students will have to find a new parallel with Gaza other than the Kurds in Turkey. I can't think of another parallel with Gaza; but maybe these clever students will find one if they read a little more about current affairs.
No parallel for a state lobbing thousands of missles across the border and living to brag about it.
So I am not sure what is the point of this Israeli flotilla. It is really not the same case. Israel will once more look desperate to divert attention. All these organizers are doing is getting the world to focus more on Gaza. A real BAD move. Additionally, Turkey will not intersept these Israeli ships. Hence, Israel will look particularly bad for killng the 9 Turkish activists in international waters.
34 years now, Turkey still occupies a sovereign state claiming it brought peace by invading a smaller country (which is packed by Turkish settlers from its poorest parts). Instead of accusing Israel, Turkey should calm down and clean up its own dirt.
strange how instead of addressing the problem in hand, which is gaza at this stage, israelis try to deviate attention to other issues, and though kurdistan and armenia were never on israeli agenda, it is now convenient for them to play these cards.
The NSU's concern for the disadvantaged Kurds in Turkey is correct just as mine and other people's concern for the blockaded people of Gaza is correct. These two unfortunate situations still exist in their own right however and because one of the situations cannot be corrected for some other reason it does not mean that the other one should be left alone which is what the NSU seems to be saying.
You can save your trip in your yacht. I can tell you right now that to the americans it is disturbing because we are paying for you to have your army and your illegal blockade of Gaza.
I think dialog between the students and the activists would be an excellent idea. From within Israel I think it is difficult to see the real situation. It is very difficult to understand how a people who were mistreated so badly in parts of Europe can do the same thing to another people. Gaza is, in essence, a concentration camp. Be careful though, finding fault with another does not usually bring reconciliation but rather brings an escalation of tension.
Are you crazy??? The moment you sail into the sea and meet those flotilla activists, you'll be lynched and slaughtered. Why are u Jews worried about what the international community think of u? U worry too much! You have nuclear weapons and God is with u. The world hates u becoz u are God's chosen people. So if God is with u, who can be against u? No weapon formed against u shall prosper! Also, don't think that u don't have any supporters. We, the Born again Christians are with u all the way.
Way to go Israel! Most of here in America support you. In fact, for the first time in MY life, I am ashamed of my country and my President.
The fact that you are ashamed for the very, very first time says a lot about your intelligence and humaniy level!!! You SHOULD be ashamed that the Israeli government has been given the freedom AND money to abuse the Palestinian people for so long. Unbelievable, you're a disgrace to humanity!!
what has obama got to do with it? i am from america and do not support this whole mess.
A tiny yet powerful minority in America supports Israel. Just because you say it, doesn't mean it is fact or will become fact. Didn't mommy teach you that when you were a child. Guess not.
Although the Israeli government appears to be abusing the Pals in some observers viewpoint. They do not abuse the Pals anywhere near the level of their own Arab bretheren. The Jordanians, Lebanese and Syrians still require the Pals to live in refugee camps and refuse to allow assimilation. How about the Pal governement (Hamas or whomever) recognizing Israel's right to exist? How about not attacking civilians in Israel with rockets. Look at the West Bank, there is progress because Abbas has decided to spend on education, hospitals and infrastructure. Not missiles and other corruption. 42 checkpoints have been reduced to 12. Israel may act heavy- handedly at times, Keep in mind that they are surrounded by a 5 to 1 ratio of groups who would like nothing more than annihilation of Israel.
So am I to understand that the heavily subsidized state of Israel is using our dollars to purchase yachts? How can so many Israelis own yachts? If Israel's citizens have so much money to spend on luxuries, why then don't they start paying toward their own security? A flotilla of students in yachts? Wow, not the image of Israel I had in mind when I allowed my dollars to head in that direction. Wow!
"Wow, not the image of Israel I had in mind" what did you have in min? You and most of the American need to get the truth. Israelis, including the settlers, enjoy you taxes in luxury stuff more than you do.
It would be a good idea for Israelis along with their Swiss counterparts, to organise a signature drive in Switzerland, so that a referendum on the Armenian genocide could be put to the Swiss electorate. After all, as per Iranian ally and Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, “The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers”.
Let's free Kurds from Muslim Turks and Muslim Arabs and Muslim Iranians. Muslim only think about some fellow Arabs who is planted in the land of Israel. There is no nation such as Palestine or what so ever. They have already created more than 30 fake Arab countries in middle east and Africa. Now they are attempting to cease the land of Isreal.
"Let's free Kurds from MUSLIM Turks and MUSLIM Arabs and MUSLIM Iranians" .... Hi hi hi !!! Is it a joke or isn't Abe aware that the vaste majory of Kurds ars Muslims themselves ?
your post just shows that you are venting your spleen against muslims.all muslims.you ignorant muppet dont you know that virtually all kurds are MUSLIM.
So, why you are killing them. In first place you forced them to convert to Islam and now you massacre them.
I believe This Will lead to Deaths on Both Side. Something that Would still Suit the Israeli Government.
GREAT IDEA. It's time we Israelis stop being apathetic, thinking people will come to their senses on their own. that kind of thinking in the past got us killed. Now, we need to act more, talk less.
Do the majority of the Israelis live in a bubble...and are only fed by their government information agencies...as what is factual... it is recognised that Turkey has committed crimes to its Kurdish minority..but that does not justify Israel to excuse itself...and say if other countries can mistreat its minorities...so can we...It is hypocrisy...when the Israeli government claims...we are democratic, and a western society...but uses "concentration camp" and gun boat type policies to justify its actions on Gaza...the world does not buy it....when there is no consistent coherent rationale in how the blockade is inforced...in terms of food and medical equipment...this collective pushiment will only widen the already disenfranchised population in Gaza....Israel supported the creation of Hamas to operate along side Fatah...to split the Palestinian vote...or is that not true...in your opinion....as they say history always repeats itself... Remember the Exodus in 1947...world opinion turn against the British for preventing Jewish immigration after the holocust...if you want to make a change...stand up, be honest and act like responsible human beings...and stop blaming others for your mistakes...
The Armenians and the Kurds are not starving. That is why they are not talking about them. Anyway, sending people instead of soldiers is a good step in the right direction.
What a wonderful idea! We must try to understand and respect each other even when our opinions differ.
They're not boarded by armed incompetents during the hours of darkness, shot in the back and all their equipment stolen.
Perhaps Turkey will think they are terrorists carrying arms to the Kurds and will find it necessary to send Turkish commandos to forcibly take their yachts, imprison them, perhaps killing a few when they try to resist. Turkey will then have brand new yachts and can cry that the world is anti Turkey.
When you are sunbathing on your yachts / \ people in Gaza are suffering, they are hungry, unemployed, having health problems. Most of the Kurds in Turkey have a perfect life, jobs, hospitals, education, the ones that have problems is less than the Turks that have problems. You know nothing about Turkey and Kurds. Turks will welcome you and discuss with you as you wish, not kill you like your soldiers did to their civilians. Don’t be stupid, try to criticize your government and their manner against the only Muslim country that supported you for decades. If a couple of people from your boats were killed what would you and your government do? But the thing is Turks don’t kill civilians, they are honorable people. And I am sure that your government is also supporting the terrorist groups in Turkey, too. You don’t have the guts to have your job done by yourself. Just hide behind America and shoot your friends from the back. Ask the Jews in Turkey how their and Kurds life is. Don’t be ignorant.
i highly doubt what you are saying. have you ever been to south eastern anatolia and talked the kurds there? how many civilians died during the horrible war between turkey and the PKK due to indiscriminative actions of military forces? maybe you should do this effort and investigate a bit more on the history of this country and the "perfect" lives most of the kurds have according to you...
The Flotilla has becomse and international issue adn sometings happen for the best. The Kurds, the armenains and many other persecuted by Turkey and Iran can be exposed on the international arena on international TV