Iron Dome success excites, but army balks at the bill
The U.S. Congress passed Obama's initiative to provide Israel with a $205 million grant to procure Iron Dome batteries, but defense experts say more funding is needed.
By Amos HarelA day after the last test trials for the Iron Dome rocket intercept system, the defense establishment reactions are mixed. Great satisfaction at the tremendous progress made by the engineers of Rafael is tempered by economic concerns.
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Anti-missile system Iron Dome, meant to protect Israeli towns from rocket attacks. |
| Photo by: Rafael Advanced Defense Systems LTD. |
An observer who watched Monday's test and has no active role in the defense establishment said the test was "amazing."
Iron Dome, he said, when "faced with a volley of Grad-type Katyushas, fires a counter-volley and the interceptors are required to select and intercept specific Grads in this flying pack. It looked impossible, but they did the impossible," he said. "Every missile picked the specific Grad it was asked to select and destroyed it. There's no doubt this is historic."
Later a rocket was fired in place of a Qassam. "According to the choir of those deriding Iron Dome, it should not have had sufficient time to intercept a short-range rocket." He said the interceptor had more than enough time to destroy it. "The Rafael people were also shocked by the performance. We also saw the radar made by ELTA. Its sensor, its command and control capabilities - just amazing. By comparison, the Arrow looks like technology from a previous century." The question now, he said, is "whether the politicians will turn the achievement into defense for the people of Israel?"
Congressional funding
The U.S. Congress passed last week the Obama administration's initiative to provide Israel with a $205 million grant to procure Iron Dome batteries. To date, the Defense Ministry has bought two batteries. Several months ago, the ministry's top brass estimated the sum the Americans allotted would be sufficient for procuring eight or nine batteries, half of what is necessary to protect the Negev and the Galilee from short- and intermediate-range rockets and missiles.
The defense establishment is still weighing the balance between the number of radars for the systems to the number of intercept missiles necessary. Different estimates suggest that each intercept missile will cost $40,000.
The Israel Defense Forces insists it should not have to pay for procurement from its budget, and that alternative sources of funding are required.
Deputy Chief of Staff Benny Gantz, who observed the trials Monday, was impressed with the system's capability, but was doubtful this would alter the army's view on funding.
A French magazine had reported that Singapore is participating in funding the project to be able to procure it at a lower cost in the future.
If the success of the system is as accurate as the excited descriptions of its performance, the system may draw the attention of other countries and provide a source for funding Israel's batteries.
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The path to peace has to be paved with good faith and reconciliation. Diplomacy will create a lasting peace. A fortress mentality will lead Israel down the path of confrontation and polarization. Israel is hardly an example of what a nation based on the Jewish faith should be.
First of all the question: how much money may cost a war for a non-existent economy like that of Gaza and how high costs can burden Israel. Is it a 100:1 relation. How great the costs are from economic disruptions and losses from a constant bombardment menace, even when not a single Israeli objective would be touched? Yearly losses higher than 400.000.000 (that would be 10.000 sky-dome rockets). For sure. Which is the disparity once the Israelis begin to inflict losses on the Palestinians, while they are completely out of means to provoke any damage? 1.000.000:1? At least. Which is the psychological warfare result? In the moment tremendous. It could have the negative side-effect, to make the Israeli military establishment dormant, exclusively fixed on defensive, and experience a Ligne Maginot effect, like the French in the second world war. It provides best protection against shelling by artillery but none against a mass attack by infantery et al.
And then Israelis claim they are alone. Wow, what a hypocracy. Raise your own taxes and fund it.
The US is lacking in innovation. These funds could hire engineers & scientists in the US helping create an industry and much needed high-tech US jobs.
The US doesn't want or need this white elephant. We have something that is American-made and battle-proven in use in Iraq and Afghanistan. And the US cannot afford this, either. We haven't even started to pay for Iraq or Afghanistan. Its all on our great grandchildren on the Middle Kindom Card.
A hundred years after the rebirth of the State of Israel, it has shrunk to a small statelet comprising the Tel-Aviv - Jerusalem corridor. It's remaining citizens squat cheek by jowl under a dome shaped force field, watching Arab, Persian, and EU missiles explode against it, showering fire and sparks into the night. They worry that it is only a matter of time before the enemies figure out how to penetrate the shield, for then it will all be over. The economic elites, who were at the vanguard of the Left, had left 20 years prior, using their foreign passports and connections to escape, leaving their poorer brethren to their fate. So ends the experiment of 'Land for Peace', which Israel facilitated by its brilliance in low impact defensive weaponry.
Enemy rockets cost between $500(the simple ones) to $2,000(Hezbollah ones with higher explosives and the standard 1,020 metal balls inside). Iron-Dome missile costs $40,000. The big punch here is that the system is capable of ignoring a huge chunk of the missiles as only 20% of them hit populated areas thus saving a ton of money. The main main thing here is that the cost of the interception of a rocket that would otherwise damage a building and/or take innocent lives is NOTHING compared to the economic (and morale) loss of the construct repairs and the lives taken. Thus this system would not only save money for Israel and minimize the civilian casualties, it would also offer a sense of protection, enough for people not to desert their homes and perhaps their jobs. In conclusion Iron dome = huge success.
the soviets were forced to spend spend spend on defense to keep up with America. at 40k an intercept missile, israels enemies need only fire 10,000 rockets into israel to bankrupt them...
I am reminded of NORAD. There is a great story told here in Canada, where the USA originally wanted to build NORAD such that it would only protect the USA. Partially becuase it would require joint work between Canada and USA and USA couldn't really do that unilaterally. Anyways, the story goes that when the idea was presented, the Canadian Prime Minister at the time John Diefenbaker, was a little hesitant as it was an instrusion onto Canadian Sovereignty, until he looked at a map and realized that the vast majority of the Canadian Population lived 200KM from the USA Border and if missiles were intercepted at 49th Parallel they'd fall onto Canadian Cities. So I ask, where will the rockets once intercepted fall?
If the incoming missiles are detonated in midair, much of the debris will be deflected and not reach the intended target. That is the key--mid air detonation. Merely deflecting the incoming missile may cause it to strike a differrent target with consequences just as disasterous as the intended direct hit would have been. If the missile is destroyed in mid air, then you have shrapnel falling to earth--and it will go where it will go since it is then no longer aerodynamically stable. But, its velocity is reduced somewhat and the chunks are smaller and hopefully the explosive force has been expended. You will have to wait for a while until we get the disintegrator ray developed and on-line.
Instead of initiating concrete steps to create a peace, one that ignores all of the BS propaganda about hollow peace talks and talking with Abbas, a non-player, Israel has placed a band-aid upon their gaping wound with this dome. Each gas-powered pipe rocket Hamas and Hezbollah create and fire for less than $10 and scrap metal will cost Israel at LEAST $40,000-50,000. If you know ANYTHING about warfare, you know that this sort of cost disparity will lose the war for Israel ultimately. If I were the opposing factions, I'd be initiating policies right now to expose the costs of this system for exploitation. I doubt the system is good enough to differentiate between ALL flying objects, such as those actually built to damage or those built just to fly in the air for a $50,000 rocket to shoot down.
1: If you haven't noticed for the last year we wanted direct peace talks, to sit in the same room and talk about everything, yet Abbas who rules half of the Palestinians, ignored. Hamas on the other hand doesn't want peace at all and calls for the destruction of the state. As for the system, it would actually save money but I'll elaborate on that in a different post :-)
You missed the point: Abbas does not represent the Palestinian people. You know it, I know it, the Pals know it, the world knows it. You might as well negotiate on behalf of the Palestinians with the Chinese. As for saving money, on a theoretical basis, it could. But in practice, it's a huge vulnerability. You are basically tossing up $40-50K rockets (and several) to shoot down a few glorified pipe rockets consisting of basic fuel and old metal (some don't even have explosives). Like I said, policies WILL be enacted to exploit this disparity, and the theoretics of your cost-saving will become meaningless.
Israel wants peace on their own terms only, when you need to talk with somebody, you need to listen to them also.
HAMAS & hIZBALAH will not be afraid from all these initiatives because when the waR starts the whole stratigies change as we saw in 2006 and 2009,,,,,99%...noW israel and america tell them what s the maxemum!!!!
i agree with you- in fact, israel shouldn't be feared because what they want is peace. hamas and hezbollah, however, want war and destruction, and that is definitely something to be afraid of- not just for israel, but for the palestinians and all muslims, christians and jews in the middle east. i feel a deep sorrow for all muslims living under their control who can not thrive due to their actions.
I don't know if you want to believe me but making peace is much much cheaper and better investment. Also believe it or not, you the oppressed can always find ways to fight the occupation and make Isreal insecure so why spend this money on something useless. Try to create jobs for the young people whom you send to unjustified war....killing innocent people and destroying homes and uprooting trees will only back fire and cause more instability in israel.
to make peace. Actually Hamas got more votes, yet it wasn't nough for them they needed absolute power so they carried out a coup d'etat and mssacred Fatah followers. Yet, you Palestinians do nothing to remove hamas murderes from power
killing innocents never works...
You'll have to convince Hamas to accept past agreements and accept peace as an option, and make Abbas sit in the same room as us. The root is you my friend.
Mohamed, sadly these people don't understand you, but I think you already know that. How Sad.
You are accusing Israel of being violent when you are ruled by Hamas terrorist? You live in fear and you are not free under terrorist/Islamic rule. I feel sorry for you and we are coming to free you.
The worlds deal to Israel will now be... You can defend your borders so it's time to shrink. Well done to Israel for the completion of the Iron Dome. May all of Israel know peace,
Have the tests been honest? The US Pentagon has an office to ensure integrity of weapons tests, in the Director of Operational Test and Evaluation. The Bushies exempted Star Wars from it. Thus, all the tests of Star Wars are suspect and cannot be trusted. Was Iron Dome subject to testing integrity audits? Does it really work? Or is it just another weapons program meant to advance someone's career?
Chris, you apparently assume that "peace" depends only on ISRAEL-which is a way to put responsability of whatever happens in the Middle East on ISRAEL's side. The examples you give are so deprived of logic and coherence (you pu on the same level those who are supposed to have lost their homes, with hostile actions in GAZA, etc...). Please try to have a more balanced perspective on the conflict. There would be another way to look at IRON DOME: what if the palestinians (as welle as HEZBOLLAH and arab countries don't be too naÏve), at lat being aware that there actions could not harm ISRAEL, would then be obliged to negociate with realistic demands? And why not look at the fact that civilians in ISRAEL would at last be protected against rockets from all around (GAZA, LEBANON, and in the future a possible other arab country, since they are all so unstable)?
The root of the problem is occupation which never works and israel is the root of the problem. There are more small problems which can be dealt with afterwards but israel carries on stealing Palestinian land which will eventually bring it's own downfall as time will show us.
OF COURSE NOT !
Such a project obviously needs more, much more funding and I think this 205 million is just the little bit the Israelis and Americans managed to fit in a conventional military aid scheme, I am sure at least 10-15 times this money will actually flow to Israel and I am sure Americans will provide such a critical know-how to Israel that when Elbit will market its variants to Chinese in a few years, again AIPAC will prevent the Americans to protest for this. Same old Israel and same old lobby, the history is not tired to repeat itself as far as the US-Israel relations are concerned.
thank you mehmet, are you and expert in international economy? "same old lobby" aka Jewish international conspiracy: same old antisemitism
How about removing the motivation from those who fire rockets into Israel? This would probably involve compensating those who lost their homes in 1948, ceasing hostile actions in Gaza and the West Bank, making peace with the Arab world (perhaps along the lines of the Arab peace initiative which your government largely ignores). Wouldn't that be better for all involved, than installing a system which just treats one of the symptoms of the problem?
The root of the issue is not Israel itself. I agree the Pals need a state of their own. And the vast majority of Israelis will agree. Nevertheless it is also a matter of education from Israel's enemies. Arab and muslim medias are full of hatred, their books are ful of hatred against Jews and Israel. I'm not very optimist about the perspective of real peace with Arabs. They will find a pretext not to accept a Jewish state and they never wanted . You have to read the great Mufti of Jerusalem before and during WWII who was a staunch supporter of Hitler. Whenever there was an open door , they closed it. Look at Gaza in August 2005. They had a tremendous opportunity. They blew it. They practise the policy of the worst until it gets rotten. The refugees' problem. There are at the UN only 2 organizations for refugees one for Palestinians one for the rest of the world. Arab Palestinians are the only people in the world who transmit their status of refugees from parents to children. Why is that? Anyway to come back to the point. When there is the disease which I called the need to destroy Israel and her Jews , this is a duty to combat the symptoms until you find a cure and one of them is the iron drome.
The root of the problem is not Israel? Hamas was not upstarted and funded by Israel? The PLO didn't come to existence only after 1948? You mean the Palestinians were acting just the same before 1948? Nakba = meaningless? Ohhhh...
You must agree that all the refugees from 1939 to 1948 which were displaced by WWII and its consequences shoul be the compensated. As e result of WWII Jewish refugees that moved from Europe to Israel until 1948 should be compensated for lost properties. From Poland alone ther were at least 250,000. from all Europe another 300,000. Frome Iraq, Egypt, rest of N. Africa another 800,000.. That exceeds the 600,000 Palestininas that run from Israel in 1948. Assume on the average 8 people per family hence 75,000 families. You think paying for 75,000 homes will satisfy Palestinians. Or Israel should pay the 5, million peopel that claim to be descendants of the 600,00o refugees. If that is the case then there were 35, Million Poles that have their properties and 6 million lives lost. Will Germany be obligated to pay for lost and damaged properties. After 1945 there was an astronomical ethnic cleansing of Germans from whats now Western Poland, East Prussia nd Sudeten (Now Czech Republic) Its documented that 9 Million Germans were expelled. Should Poland , Czech and Russia pay compensation to the descendants of 9 million Germans? Is it only the Palestinians that deserve compensation? Were does it stop?
The root of the problem is not Israel.
The Arabs started massacring the Jews in the region on a wide scale in 1920. Most of the Jews who'd been living in the rest of the Middle East were driven out in the 1950s. Could the root of the problem be hatred of Jews?
Over a million jews lost everything they had escaping Arab countries. I am one of the descendants from Iraq. In 1948 40% of baghdad was Jewish. 2 years later 90% of the Jews were forced out. When you talk about compensation then give me back the mansion my grandfather had on the Tigres river plus all the money he had in the bank that was seized. Then we can have a rational conversation on compensation