Iran official: We have obtained the S-300 missile system
Fars news agency says Tehran signs deal with Belarus after Russia reportedly refused to provide Iran with the surface-to-air system over recent UN sanctions.
By The Associated Press and Haaretz ServiceA semiofficial Iranian news agency says Iran has obtained four S-300 surface-to-air missiles despite Russia's refusal to deliver them.
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A Russian-made S-300 missile |
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The Fars news agency said Wednesday that Iran has obtained two missiles from Belarus and two others from another unspecified source.
Russia signed a contract in 2007 to sell the missiles to Iran but said in June that new UN Security Council sanctions against Tehran prevent delivery. The sale would have substantially boosted the country's defense capacities, raising Israeli fears it would tip the military balance in the Middle East.
In June, a senior Iranian official said that that if Russia persisted in its refusal "to deliver the systems, we are well capable of producing missile defense systems that are very much similar to Russia's S-300 apparatus."
Since the recently approved UN sanctions resolution against Iran, Russia has released several contradicting reports regarding it missile deal with Iran.
The senior Iranian official added that if Russia eventually refused "to deliver the systems, we are well capable of producing missile defense systems that are very much similar to Russia's S-300 apparatus."
Since the UN sanctions resolution against Iran was approved last Wednesday, Russia has released several contradicting reports regarding it missle deal with Iran. Russia said on Thursday it was in discussions with Iran on possible new nuclear power plants in the Islamic state, the country's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told reporters
Israel and the United States have asked Russia not to deliver the missile systems, which can shoot down several aircraft or missiles simultaneously and could potentially be used to protect nuclear facilities.
Western diplomats in Moscow believe Russia is eager to keep the deal in reserve as a bargaining chip. Iran has expressed increasing frustration over the unfulfilled contract.
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Iran has its nuclear installations well guarded and are scattered around the country some of which are deep under ground. An attack will occur eventually but its success will be similar to the sanctions imposed upon Iran. Frutless.
Anything Iran purchases, Israel can destroy.
Each day Isreal is weaker becauseshe moves against the history behind wrong conception of peace, unfortunately.... Build a real peace with Palestinians , and Iran will throw the S-300 in the PGulf
The missiles are defensive, can't attack Israel with those. Most likely had them all along. China has quite few S-300s that it could lend to it's Gas station(Iran). Wonder if Iran received any special delivery purchases from the Republic of North Korea. Nukes delivered by submarine, would be quite an investment.
Well done Iran.
Lots of noise has been coming out of Iran lately.Most of it is hot air about the consequences of an attack.I think this is just made up news to make the west think twice before attacking and to buy the Iranians more time to keep up with their clandestine work.
If this stuff is obsolete and Iran is intent on buying some such system it's probably best that they buy this obsolete junk instead of something good. Israel and the west probably know how to get around this system and defend against it.
These are Russian made and currently the best in the world outside of Russia (S-500 not exported). Russia send a lot of time and money upgrading these systems to make them the best, the US decided to focus on offensive systems like the F-22 and F-35. Iran is also buying older Chinese S-300s to upgrade to newer specs. with help of Russian/N. Korean scientist/techs.
why are the Russians reluctant? Buy one ,copy 100 . The Iranians will study this machine and copy it, as they did with the Korean missiles , Russian torpedoes etc etc
Also there is no protection against rain of missiles It is great to have all four missiles
These 4 mobile radar systems could track and target 400 income aircraft or ICBMs at once, including sheath aircraft if US intel correct. If the pigbacked or networking missile batteries then 400 anti-air missiles could be fired at once.
..except if one is concerned about Iran's defense capabilities if it were to be attacked.
..except if one is concerned about Iran's defense capabilities if it were to be attacked.
Why are we focusing on the Great Oz while paying no attention to the man in the booth running ALL of the bells and whistles? Ahmadinejad is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the SUPREME Leader's designations. The man has zero power to control the army and police in the face of the Supreme Leader's decisions. He cannot, indeed, attack Israel on his command. Not even by the Constitution of Iran, available for everyone to read (in English). So while you publish stories daily to demonize this monkey: "Ahmadinejad threatens Paul the Octopus" "Mahmoud steals candy from babies" "Mahmoud kicks wife's pet kitten" "Ahmadinejad spits in your Cheerios", remember that he's not even the real power-broker in Iran.
As far as is known the only power is Israel. No balance, just nuclear hegemony. Salaam/Shalom
Great, they have obtained 4 missiles - so, at best, they will be able to shoot down 4 aircraft. That's really going to protect them.
not just 4 missiles homey
They are never stronger than German nazi and their adolf hitler .
They are now obsolete and Israel shouldn't really fear them since they will no doubt have countermeasures for them now. Iran would not be receiving these otherwise. They are now also trying to get the S400 system which s something to fear. But let's be honest, even if Iran got this system it is still a defensive weapon against unwanted intruders.
If this is true, then Iran is to be commended.
If we know anything about modern day Israel, it is that they hate elements of risk, even though they be slight. If this were not true, Hizbollah would have been eradicated long ago, and Hamas would suffer daily setbacks. As it is, Israel suffered only about 120 IDF casualties in the 2006 war and was ready to call it quits even though they had achieved none of their objectives. Any war calling for the invasion of Lebanon or the bombing of Iran will insure that Israel takes a lot more casualties than that. A lot more.
Remember the bombing of the Osirak reactor? Took place on a Sunday afternoon to minimise casualties. By the way, Iran tried to attack Osirak on September 30, 1980 but only managed to damage it, not destroy it. That date was a Tuesday.
The specific version, the S-300 PT, was the original version. It uses the antiquated Tin Shield surviellance radar, Flap Lid fire control system, and often a Clam Shell low altitude radar. The PT version is of limited mobility, and reloads are often prevented by the hot launch damaging the TEL. The SA-10 missile is NOT a long-range system. Belarus has been replacing it's S-300 PT and S-300V systems with the PS model. The claim by Iran is for an obsolete version not the S-300 PMU which Russia was to have delivered. US and Israeli pilots have been training against the much more capable S-300 PMU in Red Flag exercises for years. Perspective folks. This is not a game changing development.
Russia, Belarus, they're only interested in the money. I'm guessing that they don't care who buys their stuff from them so long as someone does. So what you do it YOU BUY IT. Yes, that'll cost a few shekels but it's cheaper than fighting and war. Then, if you don't need it you might resell it or parts of it. This could be a good investment.
Russia, Belarus, they're only interested in the money. I'm guessing that they don't care who buys their stuff from them so long as someone does. So what you do it YOU BUY IT. Yes, that'll cost a few shekels but it's cheaper than fighting and war. Then, if you don't need it you might resell it or parts of it. This could be a good investment.
Well, signing a deal doesn´t in any way mean, they actually got those missiles already via Belarus or Azerbaijan. It might as well be questioned, if the S-300 would seriously increase their defense capability or could turn into a trojan horse: As it is generally accepted that Israel views those missiles as a strategic game changer there would be less fallout from the IDF taking them out than there would be from an allout air-strike. Iran would have to respond though in a way that could easily trigger an open war - leading to the destruction of its nuclear arms capacity. With Iran at least in great part responsible for the escalation this would be one of the smoother "armed conflict entry scenarios".
SDHD says it isn't in another talkback, and he is always right
The Iranians recently said they can torch Tel Aviv... in a blase of glory. Yet today, they literally stumble over themselves... in order to purchase the S-300 missile system. In the film Prizzi’s Honor, it was Jack Nicholson who famously said... If they are so freaken confident... why are they acting so freaken phobic. Hmm... I guess the Iranians don't watch Hollywood movies.
A report saying that Iran has recieved the S-300 Air Defence System as you required. But then you'll be saying that this is being made up as well. Iran is acquiring the chess pieces to do israel serious damage. However you have no need to worry safe in Seattle or whereever it is you reside in the United States so need to concerny yourself over your personal safety as you exhort Israelis into the valley of death cheering from the sidelines.
A report saying that Iran has recieved the S-300 Air Defence System as you required. But then you'll be saying that this is being made up as well. Iran is acquiring the chess pieces to do israel serious damage. However you have no need to worry safe in Seattle or whereever it is you reside in the United States so need to concerny yourself over your personal safety as you exhort Israelis into the valley of death cheering from the sidelines.
Iran recieving delivery of the S-300 from Belarus will pobably spur the Russians to fulfill their contract, as otherwise Russia is actually starting to lose money and control over the system if Iran is successfully sourcing them elsewhere. And obviously the fact Iran has obtained this weapons system means that the idea of flying slow moving helicopters in Iranian airspace over their nuclear sites has just become a no brainer.
The Israeli and American pilots will bite the Iranian dust now!
Surely its good news for the IAF and USAF, the twits at the top, you know the one's I mean, the ones that (a-la Roger Waters ) display the bravery of being out of range, may think again before deciding to wantonly sacrifice the lives of their young. What do you think, I'm just curious.
Not All Secret Weapons,Held by the IAF&USAF are a Trendy Leak!Some Things are Keept Secret!The eapons they Have Too!!!
It is normal in official sales of advanced arms that the buyer commits not to transfer or re-sell the systems to another party, for otherwise the seller loses control and the arms might reach an adversary. Belarus is close to Russia politically, and even depends on it in many ways. It is simply unthinkable that they would have transferred the missiles to Iran without Russian authorization. So here is how it worked: The Russians had a contract to sell the S-300 to Iran. They were pressured by the West not to deliver (even though this system is not included in the UN sanctions). For not delivering, the Russians were going to obtain some benefits from the West. On the other hand, the Iranians are good clients and it was important to keep them happy. What do you do? The compromise: Russia secretly allows Belarus and one or two more very good friends to transfer a small number of batteries to Iran. The Iranians are appreciative enough and Russia still keeps the option to sell more if the West doesn't deliver benefits. Incidentally, the US under Reagan authorized Israel to sell US missiles to Iran in order to overcome Congressional sanctions...
You display an extremly deft touch in your brief analysis logios. hmmm... I'm curious.
I mean Wow!
Iran official: "We have obtained the S-300 missile system, what the hell do we do with them "?
How did Belarus get this weapons system? As I understand it the country is very poor because its cut off from the European community as it is run by a dictator with an odd moustache. Maybe the Russians left it behind or its a museum piece...who knows.
... are rewarded by a lot of thumbs up. So, you see now, Belarus provides Iran with state of the art - killer rockets, and Israel reacts as a mad dog, although this ensures peace (by #2). A miracle!
S-300 is not a "killer rocket" that Israel uses against civialian populations. It is a an air defence (not an offence) system with a high-kill probability of 90% to protect airspace intruders and keep the local population and objects safe (almost like the US patriot system). Read more on wiki.
That is the unfortunate case, where thumbs are awarded to those that prefer to count their points by simply wording their posts as:...The arrogant Zionist Entity, Apartheid State or Pariah/Rogue/Zionist State. I actually enjoy reading them, for some are clever,manipulative and provide a source of propaganda, for although one can find the same on the Islamic Sites, here on Haaretz, many are sure to believe that Haaretz is providing a forum for those misguided souls, where many Israeli talkbackers battle on a even playing field. The show must go on. Cheers.
in with drones with hell fires mixed in with fighter bombers under the cover of signal jamming equiipment. calling all virgins,report for virgin to martyrs duty
Many thanks for the morning chuckle. No doubt, in this case, there will be far less virgins to go around. Have a nice day.
Jamming equipment is relatively low teck, and Iran is full whit them. If all parties uses jamming, Iran has the advantage. Iranian defenders are on solid ground, and have many classical air-defense systems, AA canons, etc... Israelis are more dependent to
.. as Peter SM degenerates into the virgin thing again, hoping against hope that it isn't true. But it is true. Iran is starting to defend itself and, as many have remarked here, this will prevent a larger war. Israel is the big loser.
If this report is true, it only proves that high oil and gas prices have made Iran so rich it can buy whatever it wants even with UN sanctions. Threats to attack Iran is only making it richer and stronger.
Threats and sanction against Iran prevents new enegy investment, but now Iran gets 10 times more for the same oil comparing 10 years ago. Because that time, owing to economical prosperity of US, iran was getting 8 USD / barrel but now gets 80 USD/barrel, but pays less than twice for sanctioned itmes which at most compose 50 percent of Iranian imports.It means that with the tensions Iran gets at least 8 times more money than 10 years ago when MiddleEsat was calm!!!! Furthermore, with the high oil price, US and European countries have to buy their oil more expensive from every country. So they would be more weak to withstand Iran.
Have you noticed when the oil price is in danger of falling Ahmadinijad or somebody shouts death to Israel, Israel responds and the oil price goes up? Smoke and mirrors.
It means that the motivation of US and Israel to attack Iran significantly decreases . It means no war in the middle east, it means less middle eastern would be killed, it means american and european pay less for energy!
Exactly, energy gets cheaper and hotter, directly imported from your new master Iran by nuclear blasts near to your home
You see that after attacking to Iraq its price significantly increased, and the peak was when Boush threated to attack Iran.Just that time financial crisis was triggered by high energy price and Bi=ush canceled its plan. You can see why president obama resists any attack against Iran.Because Iran owns Hormoz Strait where 20 percent of world oil should passes from. It means that it can influences supply risk endlessly!! The other point is that Iran has second oil ( after Saudi) and Gas ( after Russia ) reserves of the world. It means that not investing in Iran, of the major supply source, would significantly decrease world energy supply and increase energy price, specially when emerging economies are consuming more and more. The last but not least important is that Nukes is not for using, nobody except US has never use it. Iran wants war for self deffence and in formal reports, US army commander also beleive it. The question is about bargaining power not real war. But inflaming war in Iran, practically burns middle East: there would be war in a region extended from Saudi Arabia to China. Then nobody is in immun of the consequences of such a war.
and has a big chance for destruction
As former resident of Belarus I can assure that any sofisticated weapon system supplied by Belarus will not work. They simply could not make and support such things
Diplomacy may just work here.
Good new. Russia by not delivering the S-300 hoped and US/Israel attack on Iran. A third war after Afghanistan and Iraq would have precipitated the collapse of US might. With a debt of 14 trillions $, a third war would have been lethal. But with a weak US, Israel has no chance to survive. Sanctions against Iran are a real blessing for China and Russia. The faltering European economy will not be able to recover. Well done from Us point of view. As Churchill said the US always take the right decision but only after trying all the bad ones.
WW II was not prevented, and WW III will go out from Iran (also not prevented).
Strictly defensive in nature so no complaints by anyone I'm sure. What the dithering Russia was trying to accomplish remains a mystery.
Stirring up a restive Muslim population under a nuclear umbrella.
Until that time they would play with Iran card and get scores from US and Europe.
Belarus sold the s-300's to Iran. Israel payed Belarus to supply s-300's with hidden modifications that allows the IDF to take over control of the launchers and disrupt the missiles flightpass. Belarus makes some dosh on both side and Mahmoud gets screwed 'Iranian style' . All ends well.
cautious when purchasing Israeli made/designed weapon systems.
is to copy the technology, 4 units won't defend a country as big as Iran.
Israelis have been lied to by their leader for soo long that they actually believe they're invincible...It's good for moral but dangerous when one begins to believe in their own lies...See a doctor Pete...It might help...
But that's all.
Go to Romania for more details...
Remember Mark ,15 years ago when Shin Bet tricked Ayyash's the bomb maker in Gaza into giving him a bomb-laden cell phone. When he used it, Shin Bet blew up his head. No doctors was able to help him It wasn't good for the moral of terrororists and very dangerous indeed. The virgins with Ayyash will tell you: it wasn't a fantasy, it was as real as it gets. Open your eyes Mark, it just emerged that Israel has got the whole lebanese telecommunication grid under control, ask Hassan if it is a fantasy? Not only can't he go outside his bunker he can't even make a phone call now. New technology is being developped in Israel that you woudn't even imagine and as long as people like you believe it's just a fantasy, it will be possible to implement it successfully. Iran grows superb pistachios and manufacture rice cookers that make the rice crunchy. They should stick to what they do best, have a good bunch of people governing the country and the world will be a better place.
Seadog1946 you are spot on, quality weapons from Iran or Gaza that kill people outside the Intercontiental Hotel in Aqaba when it was supposed to hit Eilat is much better and all the brothers in the neibourhood should buy some. Forget the israeli hi-tech junk sold to the best armies in the world.
This is puffery from Iran. Does anyone believe Belarus is in possession of the state of the art S-300 that could threaten the IDF? Greece also has a version of the S-300 and allowed Israel to practice defeating it. It's doubtful Belarus could provide Iran anything more than an obsolete missile and propaganda.
So even a tweeted S300 is enough for them to craete S300 production line
This is definately good for Iran. With their indigeneous missile capability and with the S-300 in their hands they will have a more solid and viable defense every passing day. Surrounding Israel with enough missile fire power will bring them to their knees. Iran and its arab allies may not be fully there yet but their capacity is in fact growing rather than declining. Israel missed the opportunity to make peace in the early 90s when it was in a far more better strategic situation.
I doubt she will ever receive teh S300, and this is a paper trap. To get US and ISrael to advance timetabnl;e to attack iran now under fear of getting shot dowm. Four missiles do not a weapons system make. iran does not have teh techniology to reverse engineeer theswe systems and mass produce the, It takes serious time. These sustems will be shipped by Sea or by Air. If by Sea it will get intercepted. If by air it may end up being shot down. result is it wont ever make it to iran. Money thrown away if indeed that is whats done
dJORN, YOU ARE A mARTIAN! WHERE ARE YOU COMING FROM?
that not every country is owned by AIPAC & Co.
The report that Belarus has provided some outdated S300 SAM could well be fiction. Belarus, has many problems, even with Russia. Belarus will not isolate itself even further by said venture unless Tehran plans to bail out said country.That being the case, could well cause further friction in Russia's backyard. What does not make sense is that Tehran is forever making claims of either developing new advanced weapons or obtaining such weapons from unspecified sources. Unless the regime is truly afraid that by their actions, certain countries are about to take military measures against the theocratic and despotic regime FREEDOM FOR THE PEOPLE OF IRAN:. Good day.
Peace could be reach when exist a balance of forces and not when an only state ,namely Israel-makes all the non senses possible acting or reacting as a mad dog how she is proudly saying on herself.
But when you hate Israel then facts shouldn't get in your way