Hamas: We told U.S. in the past that we would accept Palestinian state along 1967 borders
In semi-annual report cited by Israel Radio, the militant group also says it asked the U.S. to engage in dialogue and to lift veto on reconciliation efforts with Fatah.
By Haaretz Service Tags: Israel news Hamas Gaza Middle East peaceThe Hamas militant group announced Monday that it had previously told the United States it would accept the establishment of a Palestinian state along the 1967 borders, according to Israel Radio.
Citing the organization's semi-annual report, Israel Radio said that Hamas had also asked the U.S. administration to open dialogue. The militant group said in its report that it had passed that message along via American academics and politicians visiting the Gaza Strip.
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Hamas' exiled political chief Khaled Meshal |
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Hamas also said that it had asked Washington to lift the veto it had imposed on reconciliation efforts between the militant group and its rival, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah faction.
Hamas, which seized control of Gaza from Fatah in a bloody 2007 coup, has adamantly opposed the resumption of direction peace negotiations between the Palestinian Authority and Israel.
It refuses to recognize Israel and vowed to take "effective" and violent measures to foil the renewed peace process. Since Abbas began face-to-face negotiations with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in Washington this month, Hamas has claimed responsibility for a barrage of rocket and mortar shell fire at Israel.
Hamas also said it was behind two shooting attacks in the West Bank over the course of two days earlier this month. Four Israelis were killed in the first attack and another two were wounded in the second.
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I don't know what Haaretz is trying to achieve by even publishing this phony "news". Coming from Hamas, it only reinforces that Arab interest in the so-called "1967 borders" which no Arab country recognized when they existed in 1967 (as the armistice lines they were) has a purely military purpose. UNSC 242 recognized that the unstable 1967 lines from the 1948 war were encouraging attacks on the vulnerable Israel (especially around Jerusalem and Tel Aviv metropolitan areas), which is why UN explicitly rejected demanding Israeli withdrawal from "all" the territories occupied, and chose "from territories occupied" wording instead. Specifically excluded calling for "swaps" or any independent Palestinian Arab state.
As far as Gazastan is concerned , they've had 1967 borders , free of Israelis since the pull out. And what have they done with it ? Trying hard to turn it into a islamist military base to attack Israel. If that is what they mean by 1967 borders, no one in their right mind should approve. Now, if they really mean peace, let's hear them declare it properly with no ambighity. Declaration : "We recognise the country Israel as the state of ancestral and modern Jewry; we will stop teaching hate in schools, stop firing rockets, and wish to live peacefully a prosperous life for ourselves and all our neighbours, in FREEDOM. Only then, do we know they mean it. The rest is BS.
exists in order to Declare and Govern as a provisional Government until elections for a State Government. The Declaration of statehood must outline what kind of State is being declared, a Republic, Kingdom etc etc. First a state is declared. Only then can a State Government be elected, then a constitution be written. The Israeli Declaration is a good example of how state are formed. It clearly explains END OF OCCUPATION BEFORE declaration comes into effect [ http://wp.me/pDB7k-tM ] It explains the order of things. That so many cheering for a Greater Israel are ignorant of one of the best examples is quite bizarre. Almost as though they need to remain ignorant in order to try and float their ridiculous arguments. It certainly has suited successive Israeli Governments http://wp.me/pDB7k-sa
They "told" the U.S.? why they didn' t tell Israel directly? And what comes with the "acceptance" of the 1967 borders? The return of all refugees? B.S. manipulation just good enough for the Haaretz readers.
How many, and which states, were "recognised" by the Israeli political parties? Or is it above competence of a political party to "recogise" a foreign state?
The world continues to ignore the lessons of history. Israel has peace with Egypt because PM Begin dared to talk with Sadat whose country had vowed to push the Israelis into the sea. Peace came to Northern Irelend because Blair talked to the IRA while they were destroying British people and interests. For the Israelis and those whose minds they seem to control not to talk to Hamas is backward policy. Hamas is a resistance movement which is relevant as long as Israel continues to give reasons for Palestinians to resist. The military wing will however become irrelevant once Israel gets serious about peace. Hamas' political wing is credible enough to have won fair elections which have effectively been squashed by Israel's cheerleaders, all "democratic", of course.
Empty words, mostly false. Hamas will never recognize a jewish state. instead it wants to throw israel into the sea.
Hamas has said for years it would accept two states based on the 67 borders but refuses to accept Israel as a Jewish state and refuses to end the conflict, only to have a break from the conflict. This may be a way to save face- Arab pride is the most important.
ultimately, it's up to Israel to decide her borders against two factions of ( supposedly ) the same people, both of whom want Israel off the map of what they hope to become their renamed version of ancient Israel, replaced by new palestine. We see the probability of any pal success, which is zero, for both camps of the pals as guarantedd by what Israel decides. It isn't up to Hamas andit isn't up to Fatah. One threatens to walk and their other threatens more terror. The simili, a two headed snake biting itself in the asp.
Leaving aside Hamas's position for the moment, will Israel accept an Israeli state within the 1967 borders? Sadly I don't see much evidence of it.
am not a supporter of Hamas, but dont you think ignoring it would make it more aggressive and more violent, in order to draw attention to itself.
Haaretz news service obviously needs reminding that Hamas won the fair, democratic Palestinian elections, which was not accepted by Israel or the US, who proceeded to arm and train Fatah gunmen in Gaza to initiate a coup détat, which Hamas discovered and preemptively aborted it. How about printing the truth instead of some lying propaganda?
About 20% of the Israeli population isn't Jewish, for this reason all of its neighbors including Egypt and Jordan also refuse to recognize Israel as a Jewish state. Maybe everyone wants Israel to become a democratic state with equal right for all? Now that would be a better legacy instead of the current one.
1) Are the right wingers in Israel, namely the settlers and their patrons, saying they will accept Palestine on 20%. They are not! 2) HAMAS may wish to take back all of Palestine, but if Israel gets the security guarantees it wants, they will always be wishes and no more. I see a bigger chance that HAMAS can be rehabilitated than the settlers will.
HAMAS CAN READ THE 1949 ARMISTICE TREATY IN HEBREW , ARABIC AND ENGLSH ' this line shall not be deemed a border "
Why not give it a try?
Terrorism and rocket attacks on Israeli cities are not conducive to peace negotiations.
The obvious question is are they just interested in getting a state, or are they willing to agree to recognize and accept Israel's right to exist along with it. Sounds great but given everything else Hamas has stood for I doubt they're interested in the latter. If they were, why be opposed to negotiations?
You would think, as #2 did, that this implies a recognition of Israel on the other side of the same borders. Of course, this is precisely what they can never accept. Hamas' charter commits them to never accepting the legitimacy of Israel. In fact that recognition is what's shutting them out of talks, and what the West insists they drop if they want to be recognized.
Memri report:Mohammad Al Zahar to Egyptian newspaper "Al Wafd": 23.6.2010: Stated All of Palestine from the Jordan to the Mediteranean". Haaretz is paticipating in propaganda not truth and when did Hamas talk to the US?Is the US talking to Hamas.My succah is not a middle Eastern tent of deception!
Very funny. It actually explains everything about you :)
If not....
thats for dumb dhimmis.
Article Thirty-One: “As to those who have not borne arms against you on account of religion, nor turned you out of your dwellings, Allah forbiddeth you not to deal kindly with them, and to behave justly towards them; for Allah loveth those who act justly.” (The Tried – verse 8).
and no doubt you told everyone that you would recognise the State of Israel, forgo any right of return
They said what they said to the Bushies. They also said they'd never recognize Israel. But how many Israeli political parties have recognized Palestine or promised to do so? If you want something from Hamas, you might consider offering them something in return. That is called negotiation.. It is against the law for any American to even tell Hamas peace might be a good idea. It is punishable by life in prison.
The refugees who Israel kicked out in 1948 have a legal right of return and compensation too for 62 years of Israel using their homes and land. Why on earth would Hamas want to deny the refugees' legal rights? That is an entirely separate matter to recognising the Green Line border and therefore Israel. The Israeli right always complicates things by trying to add conditions and up the ante. It is not a used car you are selling to a mug and this kind of bazaar haggling makes Israel an impossible peace partner.
HAMAS will recognize Israel when they sit down at a table and sign papers and live in peace. Anything less than that is just for suckers. There's one born every minute...
haaretz readers must really stand these fantasies ?
Until they can "liberate" the rest of "Palestine". This has been the Paleos' tactic since 1974, when they came out with the "phased plan": They saw that they couldn't destroy Israel, so the idea changed to taking whatever they could as a step- but never ending the conflict; never stopping until Israel is no more.
If not, its all just lip service. Sure they'll "accept" a state along '67 borders, then continue to work both through political and terrorist ways to make that state Islamic. Even my six year old niece knows that.
It does not seem a big step in imagination to see that if Hamas accepts a state within the 1967 borders, that it realises the state on the other side of the border would be Israel. It is up to Israel then to decide what sort of state to be, not for Hamas or the Palestinians to decide. Whether Israel wants to be secular, or religiously funamentalist Jewish, is up to Israel, as long as it meets accepted international norms of human rights for all. The minor issue of settlements on the Palestinian side of the 67 borders clearly remains an obstacle, but progress indeed.
Even discussion across the news media is prohibited to Americans - life without parole. Their past statements indicate they won't recognize Israel. Will Likud recognize Palestine? Will Shas?
What, you now brainwash them in Zionist beliefs at that age in Israel?
Gonna change the Declaration of the State of Israel?
Gonna change the Declaration of the State of Israel?
You get it, the evidence that Hamas has a pragmatical position over the solution of the conflit. How long will you still ignore that?
The hamas should be destroyed. They are neither pragmatic nor legitimate. No peace is possible as long as the hamas is around,
I don't understand why such a respected news organisation as Haaretz continues in the spread of untruths: Hamas(of which I am no fan) did not seize control of Gaza in a coup, they were elected by the people... and emerged victorious after a later coup attempt by Fatah. It's the same as continually propagating that the Madman-dinajad called for the annihilation os Israel: he did not, he called for regime change(the removal of the zionist regime.. not the Israeli people). Aren't journalist obligated to the truth?
...a propaganda leaflet ?
Rabin was murdered for daring to even show a minuscule glimmer of truth
Rabin was murdered for daring to even show a minuscule glimmer of truth. Spreading fallacies as justification is a well honed art form called the Hasbara. Change a word here and there. Replace 'Israelis' (all citizens of Israel are Israeli) with 'Jews'. LIE http://wp.me/PDB7k-Y#look
The last part of this article has absolutely nothing to do with the factual first part. Does every article about Hamas have to end with a summary of the official Israeli postion?
I think this a good start and like this it started in North Irland, the people are changing their opinion and ways of thinking with the time ... even Hamas. But If we close every way we won't get any peace in 100 year.
That Hamas accepts a Palestinian state in 1967 borders is not new, but does it also accepts Israel in 1967 borders, or does it wants to continue terror after establishment of a Palestinian state ? If it does want to talk to the US, it knows what it has to do. The international community said which its conditions are to start contacts.
Fine, except that the USA refuses to talk, because it has bought Israel's pigeon-holing of Hamas as 'terrorists' rather than resistance fighters taking on an occupying army. And because Israel and the Jewish lobby don't want them to talk, because Israel always needs an external enemy with which to justify to its easily-led people its Jewish colonial adventure and warmongering. Everybody else talks to Hamas, like the EU and UN, but not the Israeli lobby.
Wake up, Israelis. !967 borders are implicit in a string of UN resolutions which the Israeli government has been violating for decades. But I expect even Haaretz will refuse to print this, it might upset the cozy life led by Jews (not Arabs) in Tel Aviv. By the way, what id a Jewish State? One in which only steadfast Hasidim are allowed the privileges of citizenship? Sort of like hard-core 'fundamentalist (whatever that means) Islamists in Iran?
Israel's borders are the same as 1948 14th may http://wp.me/PDB7k-Y#look
If they accept the Green Line border, then they accept that Palestine is on one side of it and Israel is on the other. That would be recognition of the state of Israel within its agreed borders. Hamas has also said on several occasions that they would accept a final status agreement with Israel, subject to its approval by a majority of Palestinians, including refugees, in a PLO referendum. However, it doesn't suit the US and Israel to report it or seize the opportunity to progress it. The one is wrapped up in its simplistic view of terrorists - when is a freedom fighter a terrorist and were the Contras terrorists then? - while the other needs an external enemy to justify its Jewish xenophobia and quest for Jewish supremacy in the region.
Read the peace agreement... http://wp.me/PDB7k-Y#Peace-Egypt-Israel It is a part of UNSC Res 242, (which was ONLY between states and does not contain the word negotiate)
The message each and every time was that they were open to negotiation of a just peace. They speak better Hebrew than many Israeli citizens so there is no confusion about the message. It is our governments that have consistently excluded the possibility and held their noses by designating them part of the "tzir haresha" - axis of evil. // We have a hard time facing the obvious. It takes us, on average, about 20 years to accept and internalize what we initially see as an outrageous idea. The time has come to dump the convenient, mind-numbed no-no labels and dare to do the self-evident: include Hamas in the peace negotiations and get the whole package sorted out once and for all.
I've also stated the same on these Haaretz talkbacks in the years past, however, their words and deeds don't really indicate sincerity or there's just great divisions amongst them with their objectives. Even PM Netanyahu stated that he would sit and speak with anyone that recognizes him (meaning the Israeli people). So far, these opposition Palestinian groups to Fatah have not accepted the Quartet's three conditions: 1) Renouncing the use of violence; 2) accept the previous agreements Israel and the PLO signed and 3) accept the Jewish State of Israel. But we must remain hopeful.
If Hamas would state its acceptance of a Palestinian state along the 1967 borders, I presume that would be an indirect recognition of Israel... Maybe the same kind of sentiments that made Egypt make peace with Israel after the Yom Kippur war, can at some point apply to Hamas.
A rather apt summary by Abba Eban on the UN's contribution to the outbreak of the 6 day war.. That pales into insignificance at the genocide in Rwanda.The Jews could defend themselves against the publicly proclaimed destruction by Nasser & Assad.
Sure, they accept a state in 1967 borders. But they give nothing in return, no recognition, no diplomatic ties, no peace.
Read the Egypt/Israeli peace agreement. (finalizing a par of UNSC Res 242) ... http://wp.me/PDB7k-6r .... Israel is required to withdraw BEFORE peaceful relations resume. WITHDRAW & BEFORE. Israel was HAD to AGREE to those terms BEFORE the agreement was even signed.