Hamas: Palestinians will gain nothing from direct peace talks with Israel
Hamas PM Ismail Haniyeh praises Gaza's steadfastness in the face of Israel's blockade, says Palestinians should place their trust in God.
By Haaretz Service Tags: Israel news Hamas Gaza Middle East peaceThe Palestinian people will gain nothing from direct Middle East peace talks with Israel, Gazan Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh told the Palestinian Ma'an news agency on Monday, a little less than a week before the planned launch of negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority.
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Ismail Haniyeh listening during a ceremony in Gaza City, July 14, 2010. |
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Israel and the Palestinians accepted on Friday an invitation by the United States and other powers to restart direct talks on Sept. 2 in a modest step toward forging a peace deal within 12 months to create a Palestinian state and peacefully end one of the world's most intractable conflicts.
Speaking at a Gaza Strip mosque on Monday, Haniyeh said that the scheduled negotiations would not restore Palestinians' rights or give them control over religious sites, saying that they "should trust God, who will be an ally of the Palestinians."
According to the Ma'an report, Haniyeh also praised the steadfastness of the Palestinian people in the face of Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip, saying the Palestinians were a "model for the Arab nations and Islamic countries."
On Sunday, Ma'an reported that Hamas had cancelled a planned reconciliation meeting with rival Palestinian faction Fatah over the weekend over the recently announced direct Mideast peace talks.
The meeting was meant to be another attempt at ending divisions going back to the militant Hamas group's violent takeover of the Gaza Strip in June 2007, which left the more moderate Fatah movement in charge only of the West Bank.
According to the Sunday report, the meeting, which was to take place Saturday evening, was indefinitely postponed with Hamas official Salah Bardawil telling Ma'an that Fatah had "made it too difficult" for the meeting to take place.
Earlier Monday, Haaretz reported that PA President Mahmoud Abbas had warned that renewed Israeli construction in settlements after the end of the construction freeze in late September would bring the newly-launched direct negotiations to a grinding halt.
Abbas conveyed the message in letters sent to U.S. President Barack Obama, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and the High Representative of the European Union on Foreign Policy, Catherine Ashton.
"It's impossible to conduct negotiations alongside settlement construction," Abbas wrote.
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Haaretz is not reporting paper it is ARAB 5th column in state of ISRAEL, its writer amira hass is member of PLO executive councile (see aljazeera magazin 8/22/2010) the government of israel should close down this paper
but sadly, he is not. The Palestinians have no partner for a peace with equal human & civil rights for all, which is the only kind that will last.
but sadly, he is not. The Palestinians have no partner for a peace with equal human & civil rights for all, which is the only kind that will last.
Let us wipe this evil of the face of the earth and make peace with our mislead neighbors.
The solution to the problems is that the Jews believe that God is one they are his servants - and that Muhammad is the Prophet of God - then they be brothers of Muslims
israel goverment wants to swallow the holy land all land then which peace we dream to make it israel policy take the reagon and the world toward war
might go like this: Abbas goes home without any real "peace deal" that makes the WB into a viable state free of Israeli interference. As a result, he falls out of favor for being a wimp. Hamas gains popularity and establishes itself in the WB as the only political faction that is willing to tell the people there the truth about the occupation's intentions. Israel gets to cry like a little girl about how they have no partner for peace and enforce an apartheid state. Israel becomes even more internationally isolated. Iran goes atomic and US stops paying Israel billions a year not to use a-bombs since there is now a MAD deterrent in the region. Oops. Hope those settlements are worth it to you!
All Israeli governments demonstrate the same trio of unpleasant core traits: 1 - Compulsive, kleptomaniac addiction to seizing Palestinian land; 2 - Serial contempt for all laws and agreements; 3 - Ingrained ability to lie, deceive and weasel. As Netanyahu is, as usual for an Israeli PM, ably demonstrating all three, what possible purpose can there be in sitting through another painful Israeli charade and con job? Hamas and everybody else knows that the only thing Israel understands is force - Pal uprising No 3, declaration of Pal independence or escalating UN sanctions. There is no salvation or solution on offer from the US-Israeli Zio League which is running the peace talks scam.
Seriously?
They will be not martyrs any more, not victims but people of free country, so much of aid and donations will be eventually stopped. Someone who is not used to be self sufficient will have a ton of excuses to hang on the aid as long as possible.
Look at where the fighting has gotten them. The Palestinians are worse off for it, Gaza is completely isolated, their economy is in ruins. You would think they'd learn a lesson not to pick fights and start intifadas.
What's funny and senseless are the typical Anti-Israel crowd. Israel asks for direct talks, finally Abbas agrees, like it is a favor? Of course Hamas rejects the talks, states they will not honor any agreements made by Abbas. So the civil war between Hamas/Fatah continues, and in these direct talks Abbas is, apparently, only speaking for half the Government. Yet somehow the Anti-Israel writers, already think the U.S. needs to apply force on Israel, to force Israel to make concessions. What nonsense, laughable, illogical, nonsense. Israel has already proven by two past peace treaties, that Israel can make Huge concessions. While Hamas and the Palestinian have proven, they will make none. While still referring to the blockade of Gaza as if it has a negative effect on Gazans...it does not...if fact, the truth be known, Hamas is angry at the recently lifted restrictions (BY Israel) in Gaza. Hamas would rather be price gouging their people with the black market goods smuggled from Egypt. Hamas is losing money because smuggling is down, the criminal smuggler's are having to sell their Egyptian goods at a big loss. WHY YOU ASK? Because Israeli goods are cheaper and better quality, and the Gazan people prefer the Israeli products. There IS NO CRISIS in GAZA. But they still stick to the phony story to elicit undeserved sympathy. Of course I'LL be accused of Israeli propaganda, but the truth is right here below from an independent source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_149956&v=qWulkAQDmDo&feature=iv One of the dirty little secrets they don't want the world to know, like the new MALLS, WATER PARKS, LUXURY RESTAURANTS, FOOD COURTS FILLED WITH A WIDE VARIETY AND ABUNDANCE OF FOOD and the increasing middle class that uses these centers. Just more whining, Israel wants peace, Hamas want to destroy Israel, period. CASE CLOSED
If you were Palestinian, would you want to be manipulated into helping the current prime minister of Israel appear as a peace maker when all indications are that he's in no way EVER willing to grant a peace deal that everyone--other than Bibi and his coalition--consider just? To see the situation as it is and to suspect the motives of the Israelis is just to be realistic, not anti-israel.
It is about time that America has stood up to Israel. Israel has used its military might to do whatever it wants. Israel settlements within Palestinian territory are clearly illegal. Americans are getting sick of backing an ally who acts so arrogantly. Lets see how tough Israel is without America’s support.
As most Americans do. You, supporters of islamo-fascists, will have to look for alliances somewhere else.
When they move back into the Israel that my government recognizes, which stops at the '67 border. Until then, i have no choice but to consider Israel to be an imperialist regime bent on colonizing another peoples' homeland and a liability to my own country!
AIPAC+ zionist Congressmen dictate American foreign policy and economy. Stupid America caves in.
Read about King Abdullah and Transjordan which became known as Jordan. Find out where the people from Gaza originated & what is their association with Egypt? The 1967 borders won't be so important after all.
unless we actually force Israel, they will not voluntarily withdraw from the occupied territories.
Yes, the Palestinian LEADERSHIP will gain nothing from negotiations and any eventual agreement - it is only the Palestinian people who will benefit from an agreement in the form of economic opportunity. And as long as the leadership's interest in preserving the status quo remains dominant over the needs of its citizens, nothing will happen
And still get to keep the land won from war whether Hamas likes it or not. If Haniyeh does not like it, stay in land lock prison for all I care.
stay in land lock prison for all I care?.
Hamas was the one who overthrow Fatah's government and have publicly swore to destroy the sovereign nation of Israel. So why should we listen to this puppet of Iran, Haniyeh? Ghetto is the result of Hamas ruthless gangster rule, but we know how Arabs always find blame for Israel.
I think they want a viable state. A Palestine without interference from Israel. They want to be treated as any other people experience as in England, America, Canda like Europeans and like Israel.
Good sentiments - but the difference is, the people running England and Canada aren't in the habit of launching rocket attacks on our neighbours.
I think the WB Palestinians are making a lot of encouraging moves so there is hope.
Haniyeh is right ,Obama's recorf is dismal as far as the USA is concerned , Obama completely disregards the fact that 65%of the Americamn people do not want a mosque built at ground zero,Obama wages a losing war in Afganistan,failed with Iran over nuclear disarmament ,allowed North Korea to explode two nuclear devices,responded late to the BP oil spill,has spent over two trillion dollars yet unemployment in the USA is stubbornly high at 10,5% ,instead of yhr eight Obama promised,failed too convince Russia from helping Iran arm its nuclear reactor ,and then sets an unrealistic laughable timetable for Israel Palestinian negotiations to be completed within one year where all others failed because he does not really care for Israel security or the Palestinian state or the p[roblem of the terrorist Hamas gaza ,Haniyeh is right better trust in God than Obama peace proposal
The Palestinian people will gain nothing from direct Middle East peace talks with Israel.
for this murderous organization acting under Iranians' command.
They want a country next to Israel? Good... They don't want Israel to exist? Better deal with it. They want this land? Surely. Over our 7million dead bodies.
Sincerely yours.
Of course, there is always a "first", and Haniyeh may be proven wrong, although I doubt it this time. So far, the Palestinians gained whatever they gained by "resistance" only, not by being "good kids". Until the First Intifada (late 1987), Israel did not intend to allow an independent Palestinian state. With the Intifada, which also heralded the birth of military Hamas, did it begin to sink in that Arafat was preferable to Hamas. Israelis replaced Likud by the Rabin government, which went to Oslo and made a deal. The second Intifada forced Sharon to leave Gaza. We are now awaiting further developments. Incidentally, continued "resistance" may have caused harm (by undermining Israeli confidence in Oslo), but such harm may have been waiting to happen anyhow by right-wing Jewish resistance. (Rabin was assassinated not because of Hamas.) In any case, with Netanyahu, Haniyeh's view is the safer one to bet on.
Not the people of Gaza. Their standard of living has plunged since Israel left. Only the Hamas politicians have benefited by being allowed to set up a gangster "government" The Israelis are fools, but the Palestinians, who glorify these clowns who pretend they are being "steadfast" but are only protecting their fiefdom, are the bigger fools.
The issue is: What caused Israel to leave Gaza? I am not going to debate a side-issue (for this article) of who ultimately benefitted from the Israeli departure.
"So far, the Palestinians gained whatever they gained by "resistance" only, not by being "good kids". So, after Oslo, when Israel recognized the PLO, allowed them to reenter the territories, provided them with weapons, trained their police forces, helped them establish Palestinian controlled zones, etc., that wasn't the result of them being, "good?" Anti-Israelis are morons.
There's like 5-6 years between the two events? The only thing I take note here is that you support the murder of children as a way to gain something.
Palestinians considered the Second Intifada to have lasted until Feb. 2005 (A meeting between Abbas and Sharon). The First Intifada was a bit longer, 1987-1993 (Oslo). Now, how do you find in my post that I "support the murder of children as a way to gain something"? I know you are not too sharp, but how dull can you be?
It takes a little bit of intelligence to understand what is being said, which SDHD does not demonstrate. If I say that the First Intifada caused Israel to do the Oslo deal, this includes "Israel recognized the PLO, allowed them to reenter the territories, provided them with weapons, trained their police forces, helped them establish Palestinian controlled zones, etc." Oslo was not just a "hand-shake", but a DEAL. Now SDHD thinks that Oslo was a hand-shake, and the Israeli payment that followed was unrelated, and given because the Palestinians were "good". My suggestion to this genuine "dummy": You don't have the brains, so stop chasing every passing car, you might get run over. Better visit the dumpster to get satisfaction.
They both want the destruction of Israel. Hamas yesterday. Fatah in a few days after the conference of dear Utopians Obama and Hillary A y a y a y !
Why to pay attention to lunatics? Why what Hamas "PM" is saying is a news suddenly. he is as predictable as Soviet propaganda of Cold War. Put him on the last page, please..pleeeease!
Israel always has Hamas front and center specifically because it is an easy target for Palestinian rejectionism, the great boogy-man hiding under the bed ready to slit your throat as you sleep. Forget that Hamas has made significant gesture, public anouncenmts by their leaders that anount to defacto recognition of Isreal, forget offers of long term truce (which have further been hinted at as permanent, also in public leadership comment), forget all, run around as if in a demented state shouting "The Charter, The Charter... they want us all dead!". In this sense Hamas serves Israeli interests, serves the true rejectionists.
Thank you for demonstrating to all of us why peace talks will fail....because of you Mr. Ismail Haniyeh
can't see what good that's done for the palestinians, or the jews or anyone else for that matter. And of course what these mullahs, rabbis, priests and other religious clap trap really mean is "we know the mind of god and we will tell you how to act." Ugh. Hasn't the world seen enough of "god's love"?? (and no, hitler was christian. same with franco. the christian church walked in perfect (goose) step with 20th century fascism. and stalin was, and still is, loved by the russian orthodox church. and in any case, none of the crimes of the 20th century are attributable to atheism as such. so let's not hear the usual nonsense about the crimes of atheism)
While I certainly agree with you that people presuming to act in the name of God have done a great deal of un-Godly things, it is totally disingenuous for you to claim that atheists are pristine: Mao, Pol Pot, drug kings, etc. And of course, atheism is a religion in every sense of the meaning, it's your world view, your "faith", your conviction, etc. Come on, Josh - at least be honest with yourself
try to understand: the crimes committed by the religious are done in the name of god. those done by atheists have nothing to do with atheism. i assume you've read the bible--a pretty blood-soaked, morally primitive book. and those acts you describe as un-godly seem to me in fact very much "godly." btw atheism is not a religion simply by fiat of your say-so.
Does it really matter to you what vehicle someone expouses to commit "un-Godly" acts, God or otherwise? The result is the same. Is an atheist better because he commits terrible acts without invoking God? Atheism is a religion - Mao had his Bible, Hitler his "priests". Whatever "faith" view one holds is his religion, some more or less tolerant than others, some more or less self-righteous and convicted than others. I am not a member of any group, but most atheists I know are more convicted of their position than most "religious" I know. BTW, I don't blame you at all for being indignant about hipocrisy - but do try not to be guilty of it ourselves, heh?
Religion makes people kill. Atheism does not. HITLER WAS NOT ATHEIST. He was christian. The catholic church celebrated hitler's birthday each year. Atheists are more "convicted (sic)" than the religious? Sure, people who believe the earth is round rather than flat have great conviction they're correct, yes. BASED ON EVIDENCE. Neil, it might give you the "warm fuzzies" to feel you're being reasonable by lumping atheism in with religious faith, but you've not provided a shred of argument to support your position.
if your point was that nazism was like a religion, i'd agree with that
if i claimed there was a giant pink dinosaur in the sky who loved you and ordered the universe to suit you etc etc, you'd dismiss the contention with 100% conviction. For the same reasons you would use there, i dismiss any notion of a loving yaweh, allah, zeus, rah, apocatequil etc etc
I really can't believe that there is anyone dim enough to believe that peace talks can actually lead to peace between Israel and the Palestinians. Israel doesn't need the peace and they will have to make substantial sacrifices in order to agree to any peace plan. This means that Israel is motivated against making peace. The only variable is the different methods which Israel uses to avoid responsibility for failed peace attempts. The conclusion is always obvious though. Only America can motivate Israel to make the sacrifices they will need to make for peace. Obama is far too much of a weakling to motivate Israel. Cutting support and perhaps sanctions will be needed to gain Israels attention.
It is about time that America has stood up to Israel. Israel has used its military might to do whatever it wants. Israel settlements within Palestinian territory are clearly illegal. Americans are getting sick of backing an ally who acts so arrogantly. Lets see how tough Israel is without America’s support.
and i think pretty much every clear thinking person on the planet can see this plain-as-day dynamic. only in israel and among the warped religious right in america will you find denials (and of a course a few right-wing crackpots allegedly living in sweden)
It was legal for Jordan to kick every single Jew out of the territories they captured, but it was illegal for them to move back in after Jordan attacked again 19 years later? What an imbecile.
Because Arabs hate Israel so much and want to destroy it so much. And it is not like they hide their feelings and desires, so only someone completely blinded by prejudice would not see it.
...what a shame Israel doesn't seem to realise that its continued existence depends upon American goodwill.
PUT HIS TRUST IN WHO ? Does he mean Aphrodite, Athena, Zeus, Icarus,Hera. Maybe he should rather leave it in the hands of Eirene or Irene the goddess of peace.
Haniyeh means Ares certanly not Athena she is a women .
Israeli policies don't give a fair chance to moderate Palestinians to come up with a decent result. It gives the feeding ground to terrorist groups like Hamas. And the gruesome story of Israel and the Palestinians will have another chapter.
Is that why the Palestinians rejected the state offered to them by UNGA 181, the Clinton parameters and Olmert'?
Settlements were still being build, untill today.
The offer was for 98% of the territories, contiguous. How is that a "sham?" And why did Arafat accept the offer a year later?
They don't want any peace. For them, it's just the anihilation of Israel that matters.
Haniyeh and his crew are cynically abusing the population by making them suffer for their terroristic acts. It is this that the misguided Lefty Flotilla participants should be focused on. Protesting Hamas treatment of their citizens and constituents should be on the menu. Israeli actions are a direct result of Hamas evil. Their steadfastness is another way of Hamas saying they want the Palestinian prople to suffer for their crimes. Ouch.
Netanyahu has crushed Abbas and shall now humiliate him in an endless round of procrastinating, prevarication and obfuscation. Hamas understands that when Netanyahu is through the dream of moderate Palestinians making peace with Israel will be dead. Thus they are positioning Hamas to lead the next infitada.
Just how difficult is it to crush a lame duck? What Netanyahu wants is a go at a unified Hamas government in the West Bank and Gaza. That's his best chance to eject Arabs from Palestine.
The Palestinians have plans to unilaterally declare a state next year and making a last effort at peace talks, which everyone knows will fail and if the failure charged to Israel, is in the Palestinian/Arab interest. The US is controlled by Israeli supporters and can not put pressure on Israel but the failed peace talks will allow the US to back away, if it is smart. The US is under attack because of its support for Israel and if the US can make it appear that it made an honest and equitable effort for though failed effort for peace and withdraws form the mid-East, the attacks may lessen,
You ever thing that God maybe WANTS hamas to agree on peace with Israel. What a moron.
to the same extent that the rabbis and everyone else who claims to know god's mind is a moron