Hamas: Flotilla shows whole world opposes Gaza siege
Delayed Freedom Flotilla expected to set sail towards Gaza on Sunday evening; IDF prepares to intercept convoy as it enters a 20-mile Israeli-controlled zone off Gaza.
By Jack Khoury, Yuval Azoulay and Haaretz Service Tags: Israel news IDF Ehud Barak Gaza Freedom FlotillaThe Hamas leader in Gaza Ismail Haniyeh said Saturday that if Israel behaved like pirates and attacked the international Freedom Flotilla carrying 10,000 tons of aid meant for Gaza, then the Palestinians will have won.
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Pro-Palestinian activists demonstrating ahead of expected arrival of a Freedom flotilla in Gaza. |
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"The flotilla's message is clear and it will reach the entire world," Haniyeh said Saturday morning during a press conference held at the Gaza port where the ships were expected to dock.
"The meaning of the flotilla is that the entire world opposes the siege on the Gaza Strip, and if Israel behaves like pirates and sea-terrorists – we will win," he added.
The 8-ship Freedom Flotilla protesting Israel's blockade on Gaza, is expected to set sail from the international waters off the shores of Cyprus on Sunday evening and arrive at the Gaza Strip on Monday morning.
Flotilla organizers arranged the timing so that a potential encounter with the Israeli Navy would occur during the daytime hours, and not during the darkness of night.
Israel has said it will overtake the ships as soon as they enter a 20-mile Israeli-controlled zone off Gaza. They will then be towed to the Israeli port of Ashdod, where the foreign nationals will be handed over to Immigration Police for deportation abroad, said Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor.
The Israel Navy started preparing for the arrival of the Gaza aid flotilla by sending ships to counter the convoy in the Israeli-controlled waters. Despite the convoy's delay, the Israel Defense Forces continued to prepare for its arrival as planned.
Earlier on Friday, Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman called the Freedom Flotilla violent propaganda against Israel's sovereignty, and added that Israel would not allow such a threat to continue.
"The aid convoy is violent propaganda against Israel, and Israel will not allow its sovereignty to be threatened in any way, in any place - land, air or sea," Lieberman said during a foreign ministry briefing on the aid convoy's progress towards the shores of Gaza.
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A Turkish cruise ship carrying pro-Palestinian activists en route to Gaza |
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"There is no humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip," Liebeman added. "Despite Hamas' war crimes against Israeli citizens and the thousands of rockets fired at Israeli towns, Israel continues to respond in the most humane way possible."
Lieberman stressed that Israel permitted thousands of tons of products to enter the Gaza Strip on a daily basis.
Organizers of an eight-ship flotilla said Friday they continued to head for Gaza despite Israel's warnings to intercept them as soon as they enter Israeli-controlled waters off the coast.
Israel's Foreign Ministry held meetings with ambassadors of European countries from where the ships are sailing, urging them not to cooperate and calling the campaign - aimed at drawing attention to the stringent Israeli economic embargo of Gaza - a "blatant provocation."
The organizers had ignored Israeli offers for the flotilla to dock in its southern port of Ashdod, just north of Gaza, and to transport the 10,000 tons of aid to the coastal enclave from there, it said.
Foreign Ministry officials said Cyprus authorities notified them that Nicosia would not allow the pro-Palestinian activists to dock on the island.
But Audrey Bomse, a spokeswoman for the Free Gaza movement, one of the organizers, told the German Press-Agency DPA the flotilla never planned to dock in Cyprus because of the heavy pressure by Israel on the Cypriot government.
The ships that had sailed from various ports over the past week were in the process of hooking up in international waters and scheduled to arrive off the coasts of Gaza on Saturday afternoon, she said.
The IDF on Thursday completed its preparations for countering the international aid flotilla. Israel announced that it will prevent the ships from reaching their destination, and warned that it will not hesitate to make use of limited force if it becomes necessary.
Israel considers the effort by international left-wing elements and Islamic organizations as intentional provocation under the guise of humanitarian aid.
Defense Minister Ehud Barak and Foreign Ministry Director General Yossi Gal held a round of explanatory calls with foreign ministers from countries whose citizens are participating in the flotilla, and also with foreign diplomats on Thursday. The Israeli message has been that the activists are welcome to bring the humanitarian aid to the port of Ashdod, where it will be examined and if found suitable will be permitted to enter the Gaza Strip through the land crossings. If the activists try to break the siege, they will be arrested.
Barak and Gal insisted that there is no humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip.
IDF sources say that a clash with the activists on the ships will produce bad press from Israel's point of view - but they believe that this is inevitable in any eventuality.
The instruction from the political leadership to the Israel Navy is to stop the flotilla from entering the Gaza Strip. From the point of view of the navy, a successful mission would be if they manage to perform their duty in a controlled manner, with minimal use of force.
The flotilla with some 700 passengers is the largest yet attempt to break the Israeli-imposed embargo on the Gaza Strip.
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Why they refused to bring the 'cargo of freedom' to Ashdod like any other commercial cargo to be inspected ? Unless it is a cargo of lies that have no legal bill of lading that can be confiscated by any legal custom authority anywhere in the world ! With this 'freedom carton', the liberation of Palestine was turned into a sick joke for all the world to see ! Nothing in it which is not above the law !
watch the live link--LISTEN before you judge! http://www.ihh.org.tr/canliyayin/en
every sane person on earth opposes the blockade, regardless of their feelings on israel OR hamas. the blockade is senseless, illegal, and inhumane. there is just no getting around it. sorry.
Israel can win international support if it let's the flotilla go through to Gaza safely.
Because they are gangsters readying for violence and confrontation without any intention to help someone. The only things those boats are carrying are hatred and racism because items on the boats are meant to resupply depots that Hamas pillaged.
As relations between us Greeks and Turks continue to improve, taking action like this for righteous causes by use of non-violent means shows that Turkey is a proud nation, and one that deserves incredible deliberation to be entered in the EU. Israel is proving to the world that it still occupies Gaza otherwise they would have no say so on this ship delivering stuff to Gaza. Keep up the belligerence Israel, what was once a push for a 2 state solution is soon going to be a push for one state with equal rights for all inhabitants.
Or maybe should I say thankful to Cyprus instead of proud because I'm not Cypriot. I"m thankful because Cyprus has refused to allow these flotilla propagandists from docking at any of their ports. Israel should block any such ships from entering Gaza until 1. the rockets stop and 2. the hero Gilad is released. Until then, the siege will stay as so it should.
Hello, McFly with a nugie! God of Israel DID NOT bring you home to negotiate!! Read your own scriptures! The favor of Jacob SHALL be taken away, and the WORLD comes after you, yet God as always delivers you, and protects you. The existence of Israel that they will always reject, is of which of the two sons of Abraham does God call His seed after, and NOT the 1948 homecoming. It appears that this is the last time, and YOU will never be sent off to babalyon again. You are home so BUILD in your land. Do NOT negotiate with your blood enemies, or even talk to the enemy who was installed in the USA white house, who insists to be called after the enemy of your seed!!!!!!!!!!! Forget the WORLD! I don't get it, yet I try, for if you refuse to listen to your God(thankfully now for all), why would you listen to me reiterate. David made peace for Solomon's reign by wiping out the threat, and allowing the other seed that remained to live under you, and he built with boldness. How does Israel allow the dome to stand in Jerusalem??? Mind numbing.........
May I ask the people who have negative views of the flotilla to google "Conditions in Gaza" and read a some of the reports? As a human being do you really want these conditions to continue which will be the case if the pressure on the Israeli government by world opinion is not increased? I believe the most important outcome of this event will be to bring out the conditions in Gaza more clearly.. Yes, Hamas should not send rockets in to israel, but the solution can only be reached by mutual talks, not by blockage and building more and more settlements.
Nine Members of the European Parliament visited Gaza through Egypt on Friday; they have called for the lifting of the siege due to the humanitarian crisis. They are also going to push for the EU to now take a more active role in bringing an end to the siege.
Really? Members from countries that attacked far away Afghasnistan and Iraq?
making a conquest of a new friend....with money....and shared hate of Jews.
After reading all the ignorant, naive anti Israel comments posted here I can only add three things. (1)Lenin was right in his comment about "useful idiots" (2) After reading some of the vile posts here I am so glad to be able to live in Israel and have a goverment that is prepared to be slandered world wide in order to protect me and my family from Hamas the murderous terrorists that blow up men, women and children. And (3) Haaretz is left wing rag no bettert than a third rate supermarket tabloid.
The moral collapse of Israel will only lead to more of such events, no Israeli propaganda can stop this process anymore.
It's doing what Europe and America's cowardly politicians should have done long ago - tell Israel that the siege of Gaza has to end. You can't just lock up a million and a half people up forever because its government contains some violent people. Israel, the UK and the US have, after all, all killed a lot more civilians in recent years than Hamas ever has.
And before blockade,there were seven million shooting targets trapped inside Israel like in a hen house waiting their turn to die while a million and a half impatient Gazans were waiting for good news,ready to celebrate death of another Jew.And now,all this is over.Frustrating isn't it.
The best thing Israel could do is let the convoy sail and do nothing other than make the efforts it will do to make sure no weapons are getting in. Lieberman is an idiot. If I didn't know better; that he is stupid and racist; I'ld think he was an Hamas man!
I praise the Israeli restraint that is being used against these international meddlers. It's all right for North Korea to torpedo South Koreans, but God forbid if any harm should come to these lunatics who are trying to enter a restricted area of sea. Hamas is dreaming when it says that the entire world opposes the seige. Poor propaganda; obviously untrue.
Those boats dont represent me! I am an American. Obama dont represent me either! I see Turkey as the bad guy here - attacking Israel with hundreds of terrorists!
This phrase is illustrative of the indiscriminate use of the word "terror" as a sheer propaganda weapon: label any and all opposition to occupation and oppression "terror." This kind of propaganda is a hallmark of all states with powerful conventional militaries faced with asymmetric guerilla resistance by militarily weaker forces, but Israel has taken it to a new and tiresome and self-defeating level. The Irgun and the Haganah/Palmach used it for years against the British and others, but now-powerful Israel habitually complains now that it is the new Britiain in Palestine.
Crikey, you sound like one of them Americans who still mutter the word commie from your bunker basement. Countries can change, this include the ME lot too.
I am with you Bee.100%!
Impeding the flotilla will be a PR disaster of the first magnitude. For those who think it's justified do keep on talking to each other. No one else is listening.
You just proved the opposite of your own claim, unless of course, you consider yourself nobody.
What some REBELS do for PUBLIC ATTENTION ! Israeli's are NOT pirates... PIRATES STEAL ALL cargo & ships for themselves ... ISRAEL is merely demanding to inspect & remove any military threat from the 'humanitarian' cargo. BIG DIFFERENCE.... ISLAM would NOT WIN .. they are seen as the AGGRESSORS....LOOSERS. Trying to STIR-UP TROUBLE ... IF they are as INNOCENT as they claim.. they would WELCOME & CO-OPERATE with ISRAELI inspection of their so-called BENIGN cargo... OR RETREAT ...if they really wanted PEACE... ....it shows their EVIL hearts ... to harass & provoke ISRAEL to take steps to protect it's citizens...agains further TERRORIST military assault ...by their smuggling in more weapons of destruction.. FOOLS....
You crazy goy
Israel should sink couple of ships and nobody will create such flotilla in the future. Now they understand that nothing is threaten to their lives and they become insolent
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... is also a human right question . Forgetting what Gaza is doing to its people & to the right of israel to live in peace & 62 years and more of threats; must be the top of the list of priorities regarding this conflict. Looking at this conflict differently is a slap in the face of truth and a deliberate attempt to live with lies. A practice its time passed & making peace buried forever. A Palestinian State will not bring a state for peace. It will only increase the state of war & conflict in the Mideast & beyond. Only fools believe otherwise !
The Freedom Flotilla is just a footnote in the international media. Of course you know this and your Islamic propoganda machine can tell your people whatever you would like them to hear.
... is also a human right question . Forgetting what Gaza is doing to its people & to the right of israel to live in peace & 62 years and more of threats; must be the top of the list of priorities regarding this conflict. Looking at this conflict differently is a slap in the face of truth and a deliberate attempt to live with lies. A practice its time passed & making peace buried forever. A Palestinian State will not bring a state for peace. It will only increase the state of war & conflict in the Mideast & beyond. Only fools believe otherwise !
I dont see this in any international news, so, how exactly is the voice of the whole world represented by this boats?
I googled it and in 5 minutes I found articles in the following newspapers: Frankfurter Allgemeine, NY times, The Guardian, The Irish times, National Post and Washington Post. Also on Euronews, CNN and BBC.
CNN: http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/05/27/gaza.aid.convoy/index.html BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/10191106.stm Associated Press: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jFki4MerB8GrGJS2hOVmY5UOJm4wD9FVDMGG0 AFP: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5j377ZuFo20ydZBwobWpOaiGtsnWw FOX News: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/05/26/israeli-officials-say-navy-stop-flotilla-blockade-busting-ships-reaches-gaza/ Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/9099398
I would remove all these "peace" dummies from those 8 boats, sink the boats and toss the dummies into prison camps in the desert with no air conditioning. When Galid Shalitt is released the dummies can go home.
Actually I think you'd make an excellent IDF Navy Commander. I wouldn't sink the boats though, I'd capture them and add them to the glorious IDF navy. Why not? Free boats!! :)
Having all your values in the wrong place...Your comment turned my stomach over.
You should watch " if I am smiling.."
If these, at best, willing dupes for Hamas had any interest in encouraging peace in the region, they would not be supplying any goods and/or services to those whom Hamas subverts to the will of Hamas, at the point of a gun, or tossed to their deaths from the top of Gaza Strip's high-rise buildings. Since this flotilla represents a very motley crew, it would be within Israel's legal authority to impound the entire flotilla and fine everyone on board, to recover the cost of this needless operation. The goods should then be confiscated, and distributed to those in need of charity, in Israel. Especially in Sderot, where Israelis are the victims of Hamas' indiscriminate violence.
Let me bring up a point that is painfully obvious yet rarely mentioned. There are 7 billion people on this planet, 1 billion Muslims and the rest mainly Christian and other various religions. Forgive me on the exact numbers but it will make sense as you read on. There are only about 12,000,000 Jews. Are you telling me that if the "world" was really against the actions of Israel or the Jews, they couldn't stop us. Let's also exclude any "spiritual" types (i.e. G-d, etc.) of intervention for arguments sake. I am sorry but no amount of background "protocol of the elders of Zion" type conspiring could prevent those numbers from prevailing. If 1,000,000,000 Muslims converged on Israel, do you think their would still be a blockade? I dont claim that these choices are made out of the love or agreement of Jews or Israel's actions but please think about it when you see your fellow Muslims, cough Egypt (proud supporter of the blockade), Lebanon (proud defenders of the inability of Palestinians to be able to work in Lebanon and remain in a welfare state) or even Saudi Arabia saying one thing at the UN and then sitting silenty and calling the Israeli's and Jews all sorts of horrible things. This is not a debate of right or wrong, good or bad of anyone's actions. I just read that some posters believe that Israel is losing support for the blockade, etc and I just wanted to point out that in a actions spead louder than words world, about 85% support Israel at the present time if I were to be extremely conservative and exclude the entire Muslim population.
The arab governemets apart from turley,syria,iran,lebanonare puppets of the west because they eat,sleep and drink with the money of the west. It is no wonder why the US and Isreal want regime change in those countries because they When the US or isreal says "jump" they dont reply back with "how high". However it is not just the muslims who support the palestinians but people from all around the world that support human rights,dignity,freedom.
Egypt, Jordan, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Kuwait, etc. are puppet regimes according to you. If that be the case, then why haven't the people risen up and at least try to overthrow them? Truth is, ALL Arab governments are one party military dictatorships. Arabism and democracy are like oil and water they don't mix.
Turkey maintains full diplomatic relations with Israel and until recent times had very close ties with Israel. The Gaza invasion did hurt relations but the ties continue. And by not including Libya are you actually suggesting Maummar Ghadaffi is a puppet of the west? If so you are really out of tune with reality. And how about Sudan? And Algeria? Are they western puppets as well?
I just read Danny Aylon called this a islamist terrorist plot. I think this is sick. It is only aid to people who need it.
Israel has no right to stop a flotila of humanitarian aid from entering waters off a coast, which does not belong to it. Stopping the boats is an act of war pursuant to international law as is the continuing seige.
Israel has every right to blockade a territory which is in a declared state of war with Israel. A blockade may be an act of war, but the war was already declared prior to the blockade, and rockets were launched into Israel with intense regularity.
I appreciate the dilemna that the Israelis put themselves into.. If they refuse the passage of the Flotilla it will be a PR disaster. And if they let them in it will be a precedent and next they will have to deal with International of white gren and orange armadas. Where are you Moses when we need you
give the Palestinians justice, at long last. As long as Israel greedily insists on holding onto >78% of historical Palestine, then it is damned if it does....but is is Israel's doing. You say "Where is Moses when we need him?" But didn't Moses tell the Israelites in no uncertain terms not to worship false gods? The Right's sacralization and worship of "The Land" of "Greater israel" is the worship of a false god.
The oft-quoted figure, 78% of historical Palestine, is a lie and you must know it! Remember that "historical Palestine" included Jordan and parts of Syria and Lebanon; The modern state of Israel encompasses much less than 50% of what you call "historical Palestine".
Just switch the numbers to make your lies look better. Jordan is the 78% of historical Palestine that you say is Israel. Lies. The best tool of the Left and Arabists.
Hamas leaders know who is number one in Gaza and they look after themselves accordingly.
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of battle sites in the western approaches to Jerusalem from the Israeli War of Independence in 1948. Now I understand much better one of the reasons for the Palestinian refugee problem. I hope that Hamas doesn't cause another Palestinian refugee problem, because it's very difficult setting up a refugee camp in the middle of the Mediterranean.
The Law of the Sea (LOS) permits naval blockades during periods of armed conflict provided that they are announced to all and are enforced. Would be blockade runners who choose to ignore the warning can be interdicted at sea and forced to turn about under threat of being sunk. A more likely scenario is that these so-called "aid ships" will be diverted to Ashdod were their cargos will be inspected for contraband, the passengers deported, and the crew members and their ships escorted back to their home ports in Cyprus by the Israeli Navy.
Better not make up laws or your nose will grow longer, Pinocchio. Just quote a text if you think it is relevant.
The Israeli blockade on Gaza is illegal under international law. You may want to read reports by the Un Security Council, UN humanitarian agencies, international aid organizations, ICRC, international human rights organizations, Israeli human rights organizations...
... because Israel still occupies the Gaza territorial waters (see quote in my response to Yonatan #148). Without this legal occupation, the blockade would have required approval of the UN Security Council to be legal.
If Israel claims to still occupy Gaza's territorial waters, than this occupation is as illegal as the occupation of the West Bank. An illegal occupation can not be used as a reason to justify an illegal blockade.
Not condemning the Turkish act of genocide against the Armenians during World War I, because silence served Israeli political and economic interests. Look where it got us.
Anyone can condemn Turks for having committed a genocide (1.5 million Armenians) but it won't do any better than not condemning. They are blind to their flaws and they are incapable of looking at the mirror and tending to their own gardens, because they are too scared of the authorities. Therefore, they are glad to bark and attack a neighbor in order to fume off their very polluted guts. Can't be better than Israel, it's nearby, antisemitism is an exciting thing at all times, to be on the side of the Palestinians makes them feel that they are good for something, as they are incapable of protecting their own children and women (who knows if they ever want to?)
this is all of hamases fault they should all die
Naval blockades of enemy ports is a perfectly legal wartime tqactic.
"The United States understands that after Israel withdraws from Gaza and/or parts of the West Bank, and pending agreements on other arrangements, existing arrangements regarding control of airspace, territorial waters, and land passages of the West Bank and Gaza will continue." - Letter of G.W. Bush to A. Sharon (April 14, 2004) haaretz.com/news/ariel-sharon-and-george-w-bush-s-letters-in-full-1.277418
While Israel considers Gaza soil to be no longer occupied (since Sharon`s evacuation in 2005), the rest of the world, including the UN and Egypt, and almost all legal experts still consider Gaza as occupied by Israel. To me it seems sensible, since Israel continues to occupy the Gaza airspace and territorial waters, and moves in and out of Gaza at will. But the Israeli Supreme Court did not yet rule on this question, and therefore the Israeli government and IDF can pretend to have Gaza the way they want it. Nevertheless, even Israel cannot pretend that it does not occupy the territorial waters of Gaza since then it would lose control over the "siege".
is non-existent. Ask the UNRWA. They haven't said a thihng about any "humanitarian problem".
ALL UN agencies, including UNRWA, and international aid organizations have warned on the current humanitarian crisis in Gaza.
John Ging and the UNRWA have categorically stated that there is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza. Don't delude yourself!
Be sure to film any attacks by Israeli boats - ramming you is not illegal.
Common sense would tell these people who would like to break the blockade that if they were successful, the major beneficiary would be Hamas. A two state solution requires the eventual destruction of Hamas, and the blockade is doing just that. If there is a deal with the PA, Hamas will eventually go the way of Pol Pot. Strenghen Hamas, and you undermine the PA. The flotilla organizers are not stupid and they certainly understand this. They just don't care if they support Hamas. They also don't care about a two state solution. They want to see Israel destroyed and they will do anything they can to accomnplish that.
If you publish anything the terrorist organization Hamas says as "Gospel", then there is little hope for Haaretz as a fair and balanced newspaper.. .. In fact, the whole world does not oppose Israel, just the Anti Semites, and most Muslims.. So what.. We still have 400 million Evangelicals and Americans that support us.. Your headline should have read "Hamas head rants again about Israel"
Let's see, 800/6,500,000,000=0.00001% Hardly a statistic worth mentioning. Sounds like a flawed headline to me.
of starvation through no fault of their own
warning to the flotilla, IDF somali pirates are coming!
It may be an overstatement to say the whole world is against the siege, but personally I find it hard to believe that keeping out pasta and toilet paper has any legitimate defense justification.
everyday I read the news on Haaretz, and everyday I see the Israel-bashing on this website to a level that makes me wonder "who" exactly is coming to this website to read Israeli news? While you hate on Israel and sympathize for the Palestinian plight, Iran sits back and quietly appreciates your naive effort to further it's agenda in dominating the middle east via the Palestinian excuse. While you organize Flotillas to reach Gaza, you seem to forget the good ole days when Palestinians snuck into Israel and blew themselves up inside Israeli buses, cafes, nightclubs and hotels. You seem to forget rockets flying over into Israel unprovoked, never questioning exactly WHERE and HOW they are getting their materials for terror. You want to do a favor for those poor helpless Palestinians? Instead of getting on a boat and calling yourself a hero by encouraging the future smuggling of terror materials, try sending them a few history books not written by a Jew or Muslim on middle-eastern history. Instead of loading your Flotilla with food and medicine that Palestinians ALREADY receive with no problem, try maybe putting a few behavioral therapists on these boats to maybe explain the Palestinians how normal people in other parts of the world make friends with their neighbors, without trying to blow them up in exchange for respect. For those of you who eagerly anticipate giving a "thumbs up" to any comment on Haaretz.com that is Pro-Palestinian, and a "thumbs down" to anything defending Israel, if you spent this much time educating Palestinians on true middle eastern history within the past 100 years leading up to all of this, we would have already had peace. If Palestinians had the courage to question their own leaders as Israelis have the right to do so freely and without the threat of violence on them, they just might find out who really wants to extend this confrontation. Sending Flotillas is ok, but asking Hamas WHAT they are willing to give Israel in return for peace seems like a non-existant question right? Those poor helpless Palestinians, all they need is more food and medicine, and then the rockets will stop getting launched and suicide bombs will not be attempted.. You people are blind, and now you're blind with a few boats to your disposal.
No one comes to this site for news. Haaretz ceased being a "newspaper" years ago. Today, it's nothing but a left-wing, Israel-bashing, supermarket tabloid which caters to the world's anti-semites. Much like a car runs on fuel, Haaretz runs on anti-semitism. Brilliant marketing, don't you think, given the vast free supply of that particular resource?. People the world over come to this site because it provides them with a free blog from which to spew their hatred of Israel/Jews. Look at the names. No matter the article, and no matter the day, it's always the same couple of dozen Israel bashers, with a few token Israel-supporters thrown in just to give the appearance of non-cencorship. And as for the thumbs-up and thumbs-down, that's just another one of Haaretz's little ploys. It's cencors do most of the posting and deleting of the 'thumbing'. Don't take my word for it. Come back to any particular discussion several days in a row, and you'll find that the thumbs-ups of a pro-Israel comment will be significantly reduced or completely deleted. P.S. Don't worry, screeners. I won't hold my breath waiting for this comment to be posted. None of my 'pro-Israel' comments ever are. After all, you've already got Klein, M.D. and Cipora. You certainly wouldn't want to endanger your reputation by allowing more than two pro-Israel posters in any particular discussion, would you?
kol ha kavod l'cehm. i would add more .... but there is no need.
These so called "peace activisits" fall right into the hands of Hamas. They show their solidarity with the genocidal, Islamic regime of Hamas. It is Hamas, who has isolated itself, and is the cause of Palestinian suffering. Wake up!
What absolute nonsense. Which part of TERRORIST ORGANIZATION do these morons fail to comprehend?
Searching for hours in international media without finding anything about this "event".
israel shall always find an excuse to maintain the blockade. When Hamas holds back rocket fire, individual acts of violence committed by unnafiliated groups in gaza are met with collective punishment and airstrikes. If the rockets cease totally, israel shall envoke the Gilad Shalit card to maintain the blockade. If Gilad is freed and rockets stop, israel will maintain the blockade until Hamas Government is broken. Once Hamas is defeated israel will maintain blockade until "peace" is restored to the strip. Once peace is restored israel will demand that the strip become demilitarized before lifting the blockade and that will only be complete after every single round of ammunition cannot be found on the whole gaza strip. Once all ammunition and weapons are gone, israel will demand that all weapons bomb making materials be eliminated from the strip before lifting the siege. The list can go on and on but haaretz will limit my word count so let's leave it at that for now...
To me it seems that you run out of ideas and got bored.
do you really believe that israel is just plain sadist? where did you get the idea? it's pretty disgusting.
I have fro more sympathy for innocent people who face real poverty in hovels of dirt , and do not glory in death.
This Israel government has got to be one of the most incompetent governments in history the will win every military battle but lose are losing the war.. if they had even a 1/2 an ounce of brain matter they would learn the history of modern war where the PR battle is a 1000 times more important than the military battles... Hamas is outsmarting the Israel government on this one they are going to win this confrontation with Israel and the spoils of this victory will be long lived. This current government has basically been told they are walking into a trap and when the trap is sprung they will suffer a terrible loss but instead of avoid the trap this government has said I know it is a trap, I know we are going to suffer terrible and long but we will still spring the trap. Is this government not smart enough to come up with another option??? Or is direct confrontation the only language they speak… some times when two angry people are pushing at each other trying to make the other fall if one of the parties move out of the way the other party will fall flat on their face…. Sometimes a lack of resistance is the ultimate resistance, sometimes choosing a path of non-confrontation leads to victory in the confrontation.
How can sending food be a propaganda against Israel? Israel has to change, we don't live anymore in de stone ages.
Mark my words When Israel attempts to intercept this aid flotilla the negative press throughout the world as 800 hostages all demand their day in court to oppose being deported from a country they were taken to by that country's military. It is going to be wall to wall news particularly with the MEP's held hostage. And when the MP's are deported what will happen when they are included as official delegates to the EU on trips to Israel? As I said Israel is in a no win situation, and hopefully this will be a monthly occurance. Calls for boycotts in New York I here?
England's attempt to to win the World Cup. Hopefully the Popcorn you bought to watch Israel get anhilated will get stuck in your throat, but don't worry, no doubt you'll be saved by a Jewish doctor.
Originally, the blockade policy was explained as the means to make the Gaza population unhappy with Hamas rule and help them overthrow it. It didn't work, and actually was not expected to work because Arab masses do not overthrow rulers, Arab militaries do that, but in Gaza Hamas IS the military. By now, when the blockade does no good, it is understood that its goal is simply to punish the Gaza population for the deeds of Hamas. Israel has stuck to its ill-thought-out policy long enough. Time to wake up and look at the damage it causes.
All it takes for the Gazan's to be free is the recognizion of Isael and the resease (over a fair prisoner swap) of Gilad Shalit. Borders will open up, Gazan's will prosper and peace can beging to prevail
unless you were being sarcastic in your comment, I think this reality is a pipe dream. The major problem here is Iran and Syria funneling millions and millions of dollars worth of weapons, training and moral support to Hamas/Hizbullah. They did the same thing in Lebanon and in Southern Iraq. Unfortunately the Shi'a extremists happen to be far more organized and capable than everyone thought. Peace cannot exist with any kind of longevity until these groups are put in their place. Israel must simply weather t he storm of European anti-semitism and international blindness to the real problems.
Can't someone support something good without being a left-wing activist or an Islamist? I support this convoy because it is the right thing to do and I am not a left wing activist or Islamist.
Who are the organizers? Who is behind it? See here in case you want to know: http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/English/eng_n/html/hamas_e105.htm
It's NOT about humanitarian aide... it IS about smuggling weapons to be used against Israel.. It is about: FATHER GOD -YESHUA-MESSIAH-JESUS CHRIST AGAINST satan-ANTI-CHRIST forces of EVIL An ounce of PREVENTION IS worth a pound of cure.. Who cares what man thinks.. ONLY what God thinks is important.... Weapons = NO PEACE EXACTLY what satan-terrorists want... to bring on a WWIII ..... Jihad war Either Israel lets the weapons in then, deals with the after effects... OR they prevent weapons from getting into the hands of TERRORISTS ..who would use them against ISRAEL. Either way the world would NEVER understand... for they are into intellectual-behaviour modification ... even if it means selling their souls to satan- anti-Christ & living in SIN-oppressive-delusion the rest of their lives.. My ... MY the ONLY SANE SOLUTION --- CALL on YESHUA MESSIAH - JESUS CHRIST HUMBLE YOURSELVES, REPENT & GET RIGHT WITH ABBA FATHER GOD- JESUS CHRIST - YESHUA MESSIAH before it is too late ... What does GOD have to do to get your ATTENTION ?
Isreali authorities annouce there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza, so why Isreal is stopping aid ships to go there? They are taking basic needs from hand dugged tunnels, Isreal shamelessly saying there is no crisis in Gaza. This is rubbish.
YOU truly must know
If there was a humanitarian crisis the people of Gaza would be starving and the international media would be broadcasting it incessantly. The truth is that Gazans are NOT starving and Israel has no reason to lift the siege as long as rockets continued to be fired into Israeli towns and kibbutzim. Hamas is nothing but trouble - Israel knows it and apparently Egypt knows it as well because they are participating in the same siege along Gaza's southern border.
Until Hamas is defeated in Gaza Israel is obligated to patrol Gaza's borders and search any transports for weapons and dual use materials.
Blocking a large ship or boarding one at sea are dangerous manoeuvres. The former cannot just put the brakes on and stop, a boarding party is at physical risk if the target ship veers towards or away from them. The IDF ships will likely form a line to stop the flotilla, then send in boarding parties by small craft and helicopters. But there's a dozen naval options to counter these tactics. If there is, God forbid, injury, collision, a sinking, an accidental death or violence used against civilians, Israel will be blown out of the water by angry world opinion. It already looks ridiculously dishonest, asserting sovereignty everyone knows it doesn't have, and nastily vindictive, with its siege of civilians and restriction on food and water supplies. Being seen as violent bullies beating up an aid convoy should put the final nail in the coffin.
so this will make you happy
You mean after three year blockade of even children book, and children close!!!!, after that UN and others many times voiced these are propaganda , so would Lieberman calls crisis?
Considering your words, you did not think at all!
not only forgot to think, also probably never learned to express himself clearly, oy what a thinker
This political ploy will fail, no one will be killed and all the passenger list, including well known Muslim jihadi connectors - currently living in Britain - will be named and listed in detail. Their actions in the UK and words in quote well known. Nothing will happen but good PR for Israel and a downer for Hamas real goals
its enemies: e. g. throwing them from roof tops (ships)...
Hamas just doesn't get it, no one gives a rats ass about Pals who are used to collect more rocket money to fire into Israel. Whatever Hams tries will be a failure just as are they. Hamas, like Iran, attacks her own populace first, beginning w/ their own women and kids.
these so called humanitarians said no to deliver a package to a boy kidnapped my hamas.... hamas has th gall to call us terrorists. the convoy will be turned back
has already one, israel is just slow to realise this. if we don't leave the west bank soon we will lose the entire country. screw the orthadox and the talmud this is 2010 and people act different now. give back the west bank to save israel, its the only solution.
I hope Israel realise it's loosing ground, support and battle in Gaza issue. Remember there are thousands of satellite channels, neutral medias, internet, word of mouth. Gaza news reachs almost every house round the world. Furthermore, remember catholic Christian very sympathise with Christian in Jerusalem, and Biet Lahm. Ordinary people don't know Hamas nor Isreal but are more affected and deeply touched when seeing people dieing, suffering and deprived from BASIC HUMAN BEING NEEDS " Food and Protection". Isreal..common wake up, what was working in your media, polocies few years back not practical nor applicable nowadays.
See here: http://www.aldeira.ps/en/main.html It appears to be a marvellous hotel, no signs of shortage of construction material or food or whatever...
What would happen if Israel let the flotilla pass? Who would gain the most?
Only muslims are allowed to be pirates like in Somalia, Israel may not, according to Hamas.
the waters off gaza are not israeli territorial waters. if israel launches any kind of assault on ships sailing to gaza, it would without question be guilty of piracy under international law.
Lieberman uses rhetoric like "violent propoganda", "blatant provocation", no more blatant than imposing "heavy pressure" on Cyprus not to let the flotilla dock there? Lieberman is under scrutiny for his own dealings in shafting his own people, the rest of us have no chance. Why do Israelis keep giving crooks a mandate to govern?
Someone comes to mind who would let them in and then begin to play cat and mouse
Judging by the list of Swedish participants on the ship, it is an unholy coalition of Christian priests, Moslem activists and communists, all of them united by their hatred for Israel. Hatred for Jews united fascists and communists in the past, it's nothing new. A healthy dosage of self-hating Jews is there as well. Really, nothing new. How boring...
IS the leaders oof Israal had even half a brain betwen them they would let the Flotilla sial peacefully into Gaza. There would be little or no media comment. AS it is Israel is setting itself up to look really stupid and arrogant once again.
After all they rejected already to take a parcel and a letter from Gilad's family to bring them to Gilad.
See here: http://www.aldeira.ps/en/main.html It appears to be a marvellous hotel, no signs of shortage of construction material or food or whatever...
This is how an islamic jihadists say thanks. Islamic regimes are emboldened by the turkish arogance towards Israel
Since when trying to help people in distress is called arrogance??? Also, this is an international aid operation, not only by Turkey.
The IDF's threat of resisting this humanitarian flotila by force is destined for the annals of history as another Israeli farce.
What a load of Israeli propaganda. Check this out. http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/05/201052721394261509.html
So Barak, Gal & Lieberman think there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza. Maybe these Three Stooges should try living in a tent for over a year. What a sad excuse for human being they are.
or admit that Gaza is occupied?
Life is tough in the "concentration camp" as the radicals call it. http://www.rootsclub.ps/index.php
Lieberman's invective is the rant of a testosterone driven ex-bouncer. For the sake of whats left of Israel's tattered reputation, we should hope that the police investigation of his alleged criminal acts is thorough and transparent. Excellent RATIONAL comments here by # 5, 10 , 15 and many others are very encouraging. If this post is "approved" by the Haaertz censors I will be pleasantly surprised.
Israel be strong be resolute. God is on your side.
Israel be strong be resolute. God is on your side.
Israel continues to act as if global public opinion was meaningless, or as if it was possible to be barbaric as a matter of policy and nobody would notice. Well, we do notice, we find it despicable. and we renew our resolve to support the Justice you have so contemptuously foresaken.
In light of the present world view of Israel, it would be better for Israel if it let the convoy go through unmolested. Due to the nature of the convoy, it is very unlikely that the convoy is carrying military supplies. Most of the military supplies are arriving to Gaza via the tunnels. Also, if Israel is trying to unseat Hamas by placing an economic blockade on Gaza, it is sure to backfire and cause Israel more diplomatic difficulties than would be the case if Israel allows the convoy to continue. Also, there is very little possibility that Hamas will be unseated by an economic blockade due to the nature of the Salafis (nor will Iran be stopped from developing atomic weapons) which does not define reality in economic terms. Turning the convoy away, or worse yet, resorting to violent means to deter it, will only paint Israel as a nation determined to dispossess and opress the Palestinian people and reduce Israel's chances of keeping East Jerusalem at the negotiating table.
this disgrace seeks nothing but war with Israel and accept nothing but death or victory. If they bring bloodshed that would be a tragic but logical end to their adventure. Hopefully they will end up in uneventful trip home paid by own foreign embassies.
Yes it would be very stupid for the protesters to bring in weapons or start shooting. It would destroy the whole point of the exercise and would not happen; even if the organisers were themselves 'terrorists' as the whole point is to embarress deIIsraelIsrael,warhavNavy war
Yes it would be very stupid for the protesters to bring in weapons or start shooting. It would destroy the whole point of the exercise and would not happen; even if the organisers were themselves 'terrorists' as the whole point is to embarress deIIsraelIsrael,warhavNavy war
Where did this figure come from? One ton, perhaps 10 tons. Look at the photos of this sorry flotilla. To see what it takes to haul 10,000 tons, google Columbo Express or Maersk Taikung. LOL
Fear not people of Gaza. The ordinary peoples of the entire world are behind you.
Are you for real Lieberman?? It is amazing how racism can blind a person.
They have - look up their website.
The head of UNRWA in Gaza, John Ging, is welcoming this flotilla. He sees the effect of Israel's policies on the ground.
In a very short time, Turkey wont have to ask for permission...I was never so proud of my country...Nice people...Palestine is our part.
Control is very different to legal sovereignty. So as the boats sail in from International waters to Palestinian Gazan waters, the only illegal presence will be the Israeli military.
Propaganda is not violent; it is an expression of belief. With the boycott of Chomsky Israel seems to be sharpening its boycott skills.
people keep mentioning that the notion that these boats should go to Ashdod be inspected and AID let through is an unfair demand. So I ask will Turkey Guarantee that this AID is 100% kosher? that nothing in this aid can be used as a weapon or to make weapons? What will be Turkey's hard guarantee's to ensure that should somehitng in there be used to make weapons that NO ISRAELI WILL INCURR ANY RISK??? Will Turkey commit its infantry under Israeli control to invade Gaza on the ground no planes artilery so as to ensure the safety of Gazan civlians at a higher price than the Turkish Infantry should weapons or their means be found in this aid package and as such must be extracted? If not than turkey can bugger off to hell simply put. NO ISRAELI SHOULD TAKE 1 IOTA OF RISK FOR ANY PALESTINIANS, YOU ARE FIGHTING AN ARMY THAT IS WILLING TO BLOW ITSELF UP TO KILL AN ISRAELI. IT VALUES ISRAELI BLOOD AT A HIGHER PRICE TAG THAN ITS OWN. AS SUCH DON'T TAKE RISK THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT. THEY DO NOT CARE IF THEY DIE, ONLY THAT ISRAELI'S NOT LIVE.
Educated governments use their spirit and their sense of moral behaviour when it comes to decide about humanitarian aid to their neighbours. Less educated governments use their sense of intelligence and political insight to decide about humanitarian aid to their neighbours. Just some few governments on the globe use military attack against people who are trying to bring goods to an impoverished population. Some of them can be found in Africa. Due to the headlines on the pages of international media that behaviour might not refurbish Israel worldwide bad reputation.
Our hearts always with the people of Palestine...
So are the Armenian people, you forgot to mention. But that is OK, We know you care looking at your history.
The forcast for the Eastern Med is storms and very rough seas. These poor jerks may sink in the storm. They will be remembered like yesterday's trash. Bummer.
What else can we expect from 'humanitarians' who don't help Jews.
Should they be shipping white sulphur instead of medicine? Exactly what humanitarian crisis in Israel requires foreign aid?
This is a very arrogant statement. Perfect to further turn the world opinion against Israel!
phosphorus!
Israelis better not use force on Turkish citizens, or Turkey will have to intervene militarily and no doubt they will do so.
Every country requires imports to be accompanied with proper shipping documents. Who is to say that on board any of the flotilla's ships there is no explosives. These explosives can be hidden on board not to be off loaded to Gaza but to be exploded as the ships are met by the Israeli navy. An explosion on one of the boats would quickly be blamed on Israel. Who is on the boats ?
...and not Israel then isn't it?
Maybe for the PA, definitely not Hamas. And the PA certainly haven't invited these "freedom flotilla" goons.
I don't hear the PA piping up, do you?
gaza has deliveries of humanitarian aid all the time. gaza is not short of food or medicine, clothing, toys and sweets. gaza's markets have all fruits and vegetables and cakes one can imagine. the people are obviously well fed. they can relax in cafes and restaurants. they have access to cell phones and computers. the gazan's standard of living is by no means catastrophic. for many, it is middle class. unfortunately, islamic militants blew up a children's summer camp.
I really needed a good fairy tale today.
Please detail your sources of information on which you base your claims. It doesn't match what most of the world's sources say.
Israel will never allow these protesters to dock in Gaza
if israel attack the turkish ship, turkey shall fight back... dont forget we turks have the second largest army in nato. we are not iran, iraq or syria!!
They know how excellent your army are. Occupying half of Cyprus is testament
Infact Cyprus was our territory since 1571.You had stolen that.
http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/English/eng_n/html/hamas_e105.htm IHH, which plays a central role in organizing the flotilla to the Gaza Strip, is a Turkish humanitarian relief fund with a radical Islamic anti-Western orientation. Besides its legitimate philanthropic activities, it supports radical Islamic networks, including Hamas, and at least in the past, even global jihad elements.
"dumb and dumber". Such a childish game they play, they should be happy if they get any benefit from it because so far it sounds like a bad idea that made some unfortunate Israel- haters look sillier than ever.
The Irish boat HAS argeed to take a message to Shalit, but the Shalit family have not been in touch with them about this offer. But will anyone be taking messages to the 10,000 Palestinian prisoners illegally held by Israel?
You ask who will be taking messages to the 10,000 Palestinian prisoners in Israel. Well lets see. First of all their families who have the right to visit them. Second the Red Cross who visit them on a regular basis. Three from the cell phones which have in prison. Four in the food parcels which they receive. Five from the excellent medical care which they receive. Would you like me to continue or are you bewildered by the truth and facts. Does Shalit have any of these privilages. At leat the prisoners "held illegally" in Israel have recourse to lawyers and are tried in a court of law and have committed crimes. What recourse does Shalit have. What crime did he commit. When does his sentence end. You are so naive.
Haaretz reported this just this week.
Response to the proposition of Noam Shalid from the Freedom Flotilla organizers http://shiptogaza.se/en/news/response-proposition-noam-shalid-freedom-flotilla-organizers
"Israel will not allow its sovereignty to be threatened" This can only be true if Gaza is occupied... "...Israel continues to respond in the most humane way possible" It is always risky to accuse someone of a lie. This however should better be one, otherwise one must conclude that Israel cannot deal with Palestinians humanely.
Israel has no right to get involved with the flotilla. It is not travelling through Israeli waters. The government in Gaza was elected in internationally vetted elections. Get your hands off innocent people.
i am sur the whole world is glued to their radios and tv sets to hear the words of leiberman
...a brutal punishment of 1.5 million imprisoned people, timed to make use of the last few weeks of the Bush presidency.. The flotilla, on the other hand, is PEACEFUL propaganda. Nobody is out to hurt anybody - they're just standing up to a bully.
both Lieberman's likely sympathize with this view. My bad ...reading too fast
Shalom , Sen Joe again faces the overwhelming task of trying to justify why Israel is being threatened by a flotilla en route with humanitarian relief . This is sheer madness , but the politicians seem to ahve the most media -capital to waste on promoting their ideological views. I for one know that only peace brings forth peace . It is disgraceful and a pity that foreigners may be allowed to do more than share an opinion in other people s and nations affairs .
"Israel will not allow its sovereignty to be threatened in any way" Thank God Israel gave them their 'freedom' in 2005.
Originally, the blockade policy was explained as the means to make the Gaza population unhappy with Hamas rule and help them overthrow it. It didn't work, and actually was not expected to work because Arab masses do not overthrow rulers, Arab militaries do that, but in Gaza Hamas IS the military. By now, when the blockade does no good, it is understood that its goal is simply to punish the Gaza population for the deeds of Hamas. Israel has stuck to its ill-thought-out policy long enough. Time to wake up and look at the damage it causes.
Maybe like Hamas to change their charter and have peace talks?
That is simply a lie. www.UN.org
in his comments regarding efforts to ease the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.
Turks are cowards. They know the Jews won't shoot at them and their lunatic left European fellow travelers. If the Turks were brave, they would land in Egyptian Sinai and demand the Egyptians let them into Gaza through its land border. I doubt the Turks have it in them. Or they are confused, getting geography lessons from lunatic West European cranks.
They will pay a heavy price for messing up with Israel and helping the Iranians
If helping poor Palestinions is "looking for trouble" many other countries seem to be looking for trouble!
Sink this convoy!
...when there are more boats, and the next after that, when there are more and more boats? When will enough be enough for Israel to get the message that the world disagrees with what you're doing!
1) We don't know how this is going to end. 2) Perhaps, there will be no next time. 3) When it comes to Jews, the world has been wrong on several occasions. 4) It is important to fight to the end, even if it is a losing battle against the whole world. I think Palestinians can relate to this too.
Drop 700 of them into the water and sink the boats. They can swim to Gaza.
Please don't hurt any of the brave people on the ships. They decided to not stand idly by while wrong is being done. True heroes.
What sovereignty does Israel have over Gazan waters?
Israel actually seems to be making an effort to defuse the issue by its proposal, a rare example of Israeli moderation. The flotilla nevertheless well dramatizes the sins of such a cruel blockade as Israel has imposed upon the people of Gaza. Reminiscent of the siege of Calais during the 100 years war in Europe famously depicted in a Rodin sculpture.
Seventy years ago to the day began one of the most remarkable operations of the Second World War in which 338228 British and allied soldiers of the BEF were saved from Dunkirk. 800 little ships were used by people who volunteered to save the stranded soldiers In contrast, today we have a convoy of 9 ships on their way to Gaza with hundreds of activists who want to create a provocation and support the Hamas regime which has been holding the kidnapped Israeli soldier Gilad Schalit for four years in contradiction of international law and whose Article 7 of the Charter reads: http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/1609.htm “The Prophet, Allah's prayer and peace be upon him, says: "The hour of judgment shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: 'Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him,' except for the Gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews." (Recorded in the Hadith collections of Bukhari and Muslim).” That today we have hundreds of activists, some from Britain, who are willing to sail in support of Hamas, a genocidal regime, means that the moral fiber of the West has changed in these 70 years.
Well written! Especially the last sentence.
Israel is pushing itself into a no win situation. Talking to foreign diplomats is one thing, but the negative publicity that will ne generated will affect the Public's view of Israel. That will require, eventually action by their Politicians against Israel, because they will demand it. It would be better to allow the ships to offload their Cargo, with the minimum of fuss.
became a monthly occurrence ? It's a precedent that Israel cannot risk, who knows what cargo will be on the Flotilla next time ?
Stock up on your popcorn, buddyboy, and watch the show. And when it's all over, perhaps you can cheer yourself up with a few burps of "former nightclub bouncer from Moldovia".
Seems like a waste of money and time. Nobody is realy interested exceipt the news media
How is this "violent"? There is nothing "violent" about delivering humanitarian aid. Lieberman uses this word simply to establishment justification for whatever brutal response that Israel is planning for this convoy. And by the way, Israel has no sovereignty over Gaza, but simply holds Gaza under siege through military force. There's a big difference.
It will be delivered via Ashdod
If Gaza is no longer under occupation, how can Israel claim sovereignty over it's waters?
So,Mr.Lieberman Stop Gaza blockade now! Gaza air,sea and land are still occupied by israel.
If what you say is true, there would be no tunnels, plenty of settlers, no rocket fire, law and order and not summary executions of Pals by other Pals, there would be no blockade.... this is what an Israeli occupation is. A blockade is in force until Israel's security can be established.
"Israel considers the effort by international left wing organizations and Islamic organizations as intentional provocation under the guise of humanitarian aid". Note: no mention of dozens of European members of parliament and international governments. Also note that Senator Daly of Ireland offered to take a letter to try to deliver to Gilad Shalit, on Wednesday. Lawyers representing Shalit's father did not get back to him.
Both Israel and Egypt are committing war crimes in GAZA by not permitting food & supplies to go into GAZA.
Hamas is at war against Israel and the blockade is simply the frontline.Anybody who crosses a front during a war, does that on his own responsibility.
Is bthe guy paid by Hamas, Lieberman is an embarrasement for Isarel whenever he opens his mouth.
The "activists" on board the "flotilla" are enemy combatents,not "civilians". They are fair game,if they are armed or not...If the Israeli inspectors find as much as a pocket knife on board they shoud be arrested and tried as terrorists
has given Israel the image it already has and i am pretty sure that kind of undecuated reasoning will lead to war!
All participants detained by Israel should be permanently barred from future entry into the country.
Or are you saying there is no difference?
Decisions, decisions.
This is a propaganda exercise: THe weapon smuggling uses the tunnels. The point is to embaress Israel by making it over react. If you and the other idiot 'supporters' of Israel have your way Israel loses and Hamas wins. Well done Dummy!
just who is it who is violent!?
Heave to, blockade runners, and prepare to be boarded and inspected for contraband or be blown out of the water! See the Law of the Sea's paragraphs concerning naval blockades during armed conflicts.
No one believes that there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza, just as no one believes anything that Lieberman or the Israeli government say. If there is no crisis in Gaza, why do they not allow people to go in when they come to visit? And those select few they do let in, always say that the situation is critical. Does Lieberman really think that the world is going to believe that Israel is compassionate and humanitarian toward the Gazans or anyone for that matter? Lieberman needs to get out more. He lives in his nice home in Jerusalem in a fantasy world!
... as long as Lieberman is in an influential position, we can never hope for peace here...
Islamic terrorists all over ME are pushed by the turks to wage a war against Israel and turks will pay for it.We need to recognize the Armenian Genocide and give turks hard time with Cypres and the kurds.
If Israel is still pretending not to occupy Gaza, it has no jurisdiction in the 20mile-zone off-Gaza, as it's not off-Israel, if they insist on this occupation zone, they admit that they still occupies Gaza, which BTW everybody knows. Israel has never ceased to occupy Gaza, it has only left most of it for most of the time physically on the ground. Gaza and the Westbank (including East-Jerusalem) are still occupied land, the original inhabitants are still oppressed people.
Israel's sovereignty?
Sink them all! Trust me, it's a great idea.
Yeah great idea if you like murdering helpless civilians and making Israel look even worse. DO you work for Hamas by the way?!
There is nothing but peace and love for humanity on these boats. We will see who the violent one is....
OK so it might be difficult to find a foreign minister that doesn't lie, given that the position requires both a diplomat and a politician. But seriously, it can't be too much to ask for a FM that doesn't spread lies that an eight year old child can see through. Let's examine Lieberman's attempt: "The aid convoy is violent propaganda against Israel, and Israel will not allow its sovereignty to be threatened in any way, in any place, land, air or sea," "Despite Hamas' war crimes against Israeli citizens and the thousands of rockets fired at Israeli towns, Israel continues to respond in the most humane ways possible.". 1) The fleet is not violent, it is made up of passenger ships and freighters carrying aid... The IDF has however vowed to stop the fleet, with violence if necessary. 2) It is not propaganda against Israel, it is an aid shipment to help people who suffer as a result of Israel's actions. 3) Israel's sovereignty is not threatened in any way, the ships aren't even going to enter Israeli waters (despite Israel's demand that they do). They are travelling on international water and will never be on Israeli territory. There is no threat to the Israel's sovereignty. 4) It is obvious for anyone who sees reports from within Gaza that the blockade is hurting the civilians there. People living in rubble and being denied many basic goods by an army besieging them are not treated in the most humane way possible.
Good points except the part about it not being propaganda against Israel. Quite obviously it is and for many good reasons. This is being doen to embaress Israel; which is very good at making itself look bad. In that Lieberman is a idiot genius!
These ACTIVISTS ARE JUST TROUBLE-MAKERS THRILL- SEEKERS ! Israel is at war with Hamas..TERRORISTS.. so all is fair in love & war... Israel can enter the waters in a blockade..to stop Hamas weapons smuggling... Whether the ships do have weapons OR NOT is not the question...they simply cannot be TRUSTED... ALL UNGODLY ANTI-CHRIST-SATANIC PEOPLE LIE... they have NO CONSCIENCE.. So IF they were really INNOCENT, PEACEFUL, HUMANITARIANS ...PROVE IT by WELCOME & CO-OPERATE with an ISRAELI inspection... the most humane, FAIR thing to do for ALL sides.. ISRAEL WOULD BE FOOLISH to just allow these TERRORIST SUPPORTERS ...these HIGH RISKS to pass by without taking PRECAUTIONS ! SAFETY FIRST !
If Israel wants to stop this fiasco from happenning every couple of months, Israel has to bring the ships into Israeli waters and charge the organizers, sentence them to prison with heavy fines, while the rest of the blockade runners should be given fines and warnings that next time they also will be going to prison. Nobody will be allowed to leave until the fines are paid and until they are paid the people will be guests of Isreali prison systems. Israel must take the innitiative othervice as long as there is no consequences these blockade runners will try to get through, giving Israel a black eye in the process
You mean commit an international crime by hijacking the boats while in 'international waters' to bring (hijack; as it is not legal to stop or arrest boats committing no crime) the boats into 'Israeli waters'. Not smart; making a bad situation worse! Not smart
"Israel will not allow its sovereignty to be threatened in any way, in any place, land, air or sea," Is Gaza an Israeli land? This is a smash in the face of those pro-Israel who say that Israel no longer occupies Gaza.
Can't TRUST MURDERS .. they follow satan the father of lies, it is written. Israel is just taking measures to protect ISRAEL from further military assault from Gaza Hamas militants. What is so difficult to understand ??? WORLD ??
Come on Israel, what Lieberman said is so over the top it would be funny if it weren't so sad. More bogus words to put the fear into Israelis for politcal manipulation. Come back to reality and humanity, please.
The only ones threatening to use violence, or force, is Israel.
If the goal is to get food, medicine and basic supplies to Gazans, Israel has provided a route for that to occur. The offer to pass on the ship's goods to Gaza, after ensuring that there is nothing in them that can compromise Israel's security is entirely balanced and consistent with Israel's behaviour over the years and current behaviour. Good for Israel. Given Israel's offer, how can one arrive at any other conclusion than this is a propaganda flotilla?
It's a humanitarian flottilla designed not only to deliver relief, but also to put the world spotlight on the plight of Gazan civilians. Israel looks more and more like a monster.
Hamas must stop sending rocket to Israel. Israel must stop blockading Gaza
Hamas must rewrite its charter to recognize the Jewish state of Israel, return Shalit, and start acting like humans in the 21st Century. But this will not create peace in the ME, since the Gazan thing is microscopic compared to other violence going on.
Israel must end its occupation of Palestinian lands, Hamas will stop sending rockets to Israel
Read Joshua & Ezekiel...
It is useless and stupid to make propaganda against Israel. The night-club bouncer does it so well.
From photos, this figure is absurd. Even without the 700 passengers, there is no way they are carrying that much cargo. A charade, like last year's Gaddafi ship "carrying grain", which turned around rather than being inspected, because it was in fact carrying nothing.
Next time, use trucks, no nation will allow illegal entry by any enemy state into their waters. Who do they think they are, Al Jazeera?
Let them inn,let them go onshore and sink the "flotilla"...If they like the gazans so much,let them stay among them,till they grow mold on their sorry carcasses...
"Israel will not allow its SOVEREIGNTY to be threatened in any way, in any place, land, air or sea," Lieberman said. This is a quite revealing comment. Israel apparently claims sovereignty over Gaza and 20 miles out to sea from the Gaza coast. So much for claims that Israel no longer occupies Gaza, neh?
If you had any sane logic find a solution to the threat of rockets? Don't make me laugh if your life is the under the threat of being killed what would you do?
"Israel will not allow its SOVEREIGNTY to be threatened in any way, in any place, land, air or sea," Lieberman said. This is a quite revealing comment. Israel apparently claims sovereignty over Gaza and 20 miles out to sea from the Gaza coast. So much for claims that Israel no longer occupies Gaza, neh?
PERHAPS YOU'VE NEVER BEEN IN A BAR OR BUS THAT'S EXPLODED BY A SUICIDE BOMBER OR HOUSE THAT'S SEEN THE NEIGHBOURS HOUSE IMPLODE UPON IMPACT OF A ROCKET. SOVEREIGNTY ALSO MEANS THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE FEAR OF TERRORISM. ESPECIALLY WHEN THE TERRORIST IS NEXT DOOR. PERHAPS YOU SHOULD MOVE OUT OF THE PLACE YOU CURRENTLY ARE AND SPEND A COUPLE MONTHS IN SDEROT THEN MAYBE YOU'LL THINK A COUPLE STEPS AHEAD
what a profound pile of doodah....egypt and israel embargo gaza because islamist nutters are in charge. u want a mini iran on the med...lebanon soon to follow.
Perhaps if Hamasand PA sat down and negotiated with Israel in good faith rather than lobbing missiles, then they would gain control of the water, air and land, and the seige would be lifted.
ridiculos again by isreali authorities. This country has completley lost the plot. Violent propaganda hmmmnnnn............... where does it end
If your country is under constant threat of rockets then what are you going to do? Do you have a solution.
I mean really, if as Israel says, they no longer control gaza, why are they then controlling their coast? It is essentially a prison there - disgusting.
Ooops that's right Egypt's door is closed to the Palestinians as well. Wonder why?
No, what is disgusting is the Hamas charter, which calls for the murder of all Jews and rejects any peaceful solution with Israel. Suicide bombings out of Gaza? What do you care. Rockets fired at southern Israel when Israeli children are en route to school? What do you care. A new olympic-sized swimming pool built in this Gazan prison? Inconsistent with the illusion, so ignore it. A common border between Egypt and Gaza, where 1,000 tunnels are used to bring in all kinds of consumer goods? Ignore. It doesn't matter that 5 million persons have died in the Congo, or that non-Muslims have perished in the hundreds of thousands in Darfur. It's more socially acceptable within New Left circles to focus attention on those "disgusting" Jews, oops, I meant Israelis.
You really cannot think of any good answer? Even if you try very, very hard? What about smuggling rockets from Iran and Syria and then firing them at Israel? Btw, superhero, how many times did you fly over Gaza to know what is the situation there? Oyou just follow the news, that can be, suprise, suprise, very biased? BtwBtw, superhero, how m
EVERY COUNTRY HAS A RIGHT TO CONTROL ITS COAST. YOU SOUND YOUNG AND IGNORANT.
If today with controlling their coasts HAMAS can launch rockets then what would be if we would not. If you have a solution to this problem other nihilating Israel am with you, if you dont then just keep your mouth shut.
Lieberman: "The aid convoy is violent propaganda against Israel' Wrong! The aid convoy is simply caring human beings helping other fellow human beings. Control, control, control and still more control. When the Israeli gov cannot have their way they all start to whine like a bunch of little playschool kids, baaa..... "There is no humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip," Liebeman added. Is this guy really playing with a full deck or is it that he is just that dumb. Convoy row your boats ashore. Via con Dios.
Until it is over. Israel will keep discrediting itself every time it intervenes to prevent people from accessing Gaza. It only underlines the extent of the Israeli stranglehold on Gaza and the continuation of the occupation by other means. Until Gaza and the rest of Palestine are free, Israel is digging the hole it will eventually fall into. It onnly gets deeper with time.
The pals will not be free if a pali-state comes into beeing. Hamas and Fata are not democrats!! A pali-stat will be a dictatorship like Syria or Iran. But the leftist/muslims dont care about that.
The codewords people use by talking about Palestine being free means the destruction of Israel. Unfortunately, that is what they really want. How can Gaza be free under Hamas? Hamas dstroys its own people.
Hamas calls for the obliteration of Israel (preamble of its charter) and avers that Jihad is the only solution for the "Palestinian problem" (article 13 of its charter). Article 7 of the Hamas charter calls for the murder of all Jews: "The Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: Oh Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him." So perhaps, "Humankind", you will forgive Israel for seeking to prevent the shipment into Gaza of rockets, which for years have been indiscriminately fired at Israeli civilians, particularly during the hours that children are on their way to school. Humankind, did you even once voice your disapproval of this practice? As is often conveniently forgotten, Jews are also human beings.
focussing on israel shows how little you know ref what is happening around the world.... like worrying about a pimple on your little toe when you have lung cancer. my dear boy, anywhere else on planet earth upsetting you ?
"The organizers had ignored Israeli offers for the flotilla to dock in its southern port of Ashdod, just north of Gaza, and to transport the 10,000 tons of aid to the coastal enclave from there." They also refused a symbolic gesture to send something for Shalit... These type of bad faith, insincere and politically-driven "human right activists" people give the Left a bad name.
They are waiting to hear back from the Shalit family. I guess there will be logistical difficulties getting it to the boats at this stage. Maybe the Israeli Navy could deliver it instead of issuing blood-curdling threats??? Haaretz hasn't reported this story.
The group's goal is to bring the world's attention to the inhumane seige on Gaza civilians. They're not there to accommodate Israel or pass letters to Shalit. Leave that to the Red Cross.
The Free Gaza team were contacted by Shalit's father's lawyers on Weds - Senator Daly from Ireland offered to try to deliver a letter to Shalit. The Free Gaza crew have heard nothing back about this although their offer is still open.
The whole point of breaking the blockade is to be able dock in Gaza not Ashod. Also how can they take something for Shalit, they won't know where he is or who is holding him.
And do you think the arrival time smack in the middle of Shabbat wasn't intentional?
If Israel would have done wat international law required of it, right from the start, all of this would not be necessary.
Parcel for shalit . They refused to hand it to him. Sometimes from a small gesture you can know more about the character of people han a million words. On these boats,besides all kinds of silly politicians,there are also quite a few criminals,gangsters & terrorists.. By the way in answer to Haaretz article I wrote a few suggestions how to counter their propaganda. It hasn't yet come out.
Senator Mark Daly from Ireland has offered to take the letter into Gaza and try to deliver it. The Israelis, of course, have not even replied to him. As for the Ashdod suggestion, the Israelis have said that they will decide which items to transport to Gaza and which to refuse.
I find it strange that most comments here have a 0/0 uprates/downrates pattern, and then all others (except one) have a pattern of something like 150/0 or 0/150. Looks like propaganda bots are at work. In particular it's strange that a comment as legitimate as the one above receives exactly 0 uprates and more than 160 uprates.
An Irish senator onboard the flotilla has offered to carry the Shalit letter into Gaza. The Israelis have not responded to his offer. If the flotilla docked at Ashdod the Israelis would pass on to Gaza only the goods which they have not already embargoed, and others such as cement would be confiscated. Why would the Free Gaza people accept such a ludicrous suggestion?
No one actually interprets it that way. One point of the siege is to prove Israel still occupies Gaza, and with Lieberman making statements like that the flotilla is threatening the sovereignty of Israel, when Israel is not supposed to occupying Gaza or the waters 20 miles out according to what Israel tells the world, their point has already been amde and proven!
You are a typical example of a no nothing anit Israel poster on this site when you state that it is the job of the Red Cross to pass letters to Shalit and not the groups. For the last four years Hamas has forbidden the Red Cross access to Shalit. In all that time he has only received one letter from his parents. His parents have only seen him once on a video. Hamas even refused to accept a pair of new glasses for him to replace the ones broken in his kidnapping. Shalit has had no access to the outside world at all during the last few years. His health is said to be failing. And you support he people who are responsible for this. The world know all about the Gaza seige. The world knows that it is all an illusion. Nobody is starving. The shops are stuffed with goods and foodstuffs. The seige is all a cynical ploy for ignoramuses like you.
Funny how TERRORIST FAMILIES CAN FIND A WAY to VISIT TERRORISTS in ISRAELI PRISON
Actually Liberman is steps ahead of you.. You missed the point... Israel's sovereignty IS at stake...everytime a rocket is fired into Israel... For ISRAEL to permit these ships to enter Gaza un-inspected... would set a precedence for further ships to sail right in & unload munitions... Give the devil an inch ..he will steal a mile....Guaranteed. Israel is at war with Hamas TERRORISTS ... PERIOD. THE WORLD SAYS IT IS AGAINST TERRORISTS BUT THEY FEED TERRORISM BY NOT JOINING ISRAEL TO ACTIVELY TAKE STEPS TO STOP TERRORISM... ISRAEL by intervening .. to block this this so-called "HUMANITARIAN MERCY MISSION" IS not being IRRATIONAL nor without MERIT ... ISRAEL IS ACTING in the BEST INTERESTS of her citizens & BEST INTERESTS of the WORLD by seeking to prevent further TERRORIST assault.
because then it's harder to respond with violence.
and if what you say is true ...then why did the flottila people not want to deliver a parcel to Gilad Shalit?
indeed no white fosfor over the flotilla
This has been organized and funded by the Israel hating Turkish gov't. That's why they are flying the Turkish flag. This is another attempt to make Israel look bad while ignoring the many crimes of the Hamas Gaza regime
"Lieberman stressed that Israel permitted thousands of tons of products to enter the Gaza Strip on a daily basis." You say you withdrew from gaza and unoccupied it yet here you say you still control what goes in and out. How stupid does one have to be to contradict themselves like this or does ot come naturally to these politicians.
There is no contradiction. During the NATO Operation against the Serbs in '99 we bombed Serbia and blockaded sympathetic ports in Monte Negro. This was an act of war. We were not occupying any Serbian territory. One can debate the justice of our attack on Serbia, just like one can debate the justice of the war the Israelis are waging on the Hamas regime, but a blockade and/or siege are perfectly legitimate instruments of war when you are engaged in a war with an adversary which aims to defeat you militarily, which is what Hamas is trying to do to the Israelis. Please get your facts and arguments in order.
so eygypt also occupies Gaza.... you confuse embargo with occupation.
...propably a little loss stupit than a pearson who spells "it" with ond "o"...
The goal is to create as much press as possible.
You.. do ..realize we still control our own boarders......
Lieberman is right: flotilia is a propagandistic act, and IDF has all moral rights to block the movement of Flotilia to Gaza.
Israel has no right to stop a flotila of humanitarian aid from entering waters off a coast, which does not belong to it. Stopping the boats is an act of war pursuant to international law as is the continuing seige.
And only Israel has the right to use propaganda, nobody else. Yes, this Flotilla is a way of exposing Israel's behaviour, and there is nothing wrong with it. It is also a way to make the international world feel ashamed, the people on the boats are doing what the international world had to do a long time ago, condem Israel bebcasue of this shamefull siege. it is not only becasue of the goods they are taking with them, and we all know this, I hope they will succeed
according to International conventions and the laws of war.
What is the definition of moral? I don't think a blockaid on cilivians and preventing farmers from tending their land counts as moral. I know you won't find that in any holy books..
The right to block or blocade can be only immoral. Same on IDF and hawkish Israel.
Lieberman just doesn't get it. The Humanitarian crisis exists because of people like him. If Israeli politicians like Lieberman hadn't kept making one impossible demand after another (such as the Pals having NO military to speak of, and having to rely upon the IDF, a force that has been reluctant at best in times past to protect them,) then the Pals wouldn't have been pushed far enough to elect (in legitimate elections, which both the US and Israel screamed for; funny how they acted when they didn't like the result of said elections) Hamas. And Israel apologists, such as yourself, don't get something, as well. Israel keeps saying that they don't occupy Gaza, something that's quite laughable. But let's just say for the sake of argument that they did leave. Why are they enforcing a blockade, something that is indicative of an occupation? Israel wants to be able to do anything they want that comes with an occupation but not call a spade a spade. For if the had, then they would have to actually treat the Pals with Human decency, rather than as dogs.
It has all moral rights to travel to Gaza.
and we will block u again and again. until we mine the ports
Lawbreaking is sometiomes done for good causes sometimes not. regardless, it is still lawbreaking. These so called activists are about tpo break the law and enter Israeli territorial waters after having been told not to. It will be interesting to hear these activists cry once they are arrested, processed and jailed in ISrael. perhaps at that point they can have a first hand look at how palis in jail receive treatment. As for the Turks, let them try to intercede. Let the turks get special jail cells
I'm pretty sure that since Gaza has never been legally annexed by Israel, and Israel continues to tell us that the Strip is not being occupied, the waters adjacent to Gaza are not Israeli territorial waters. Israel has no jurisdiction there and without the permission of Hamas, Israeli forces cannot legally arrest anyone entering.
I'm pretty sure that since Gaza has never been legally annexed by Israel, and Israel continues to tell us that the Strip is not being occupied, the waters adjacent to Gaza are not Israeli territorial waters. Israel has no jurisdiction there and without the permission of Hamas, Israeli forces cannot legally arrest anyone entering.
I'm pretty sure that since Gaza has never been legally annexed by Israel, and Israel continues to tell us that the Strip is not being occupied, the waters adjacent to Gaza are not Israeli territorial waters. Israel has no jurisdiction there and without the permission of Hamas, Israeli forces cannot legally arrest anyone entering.
So the Med sea off Gaza is now Israeli??
ISRAELI WATERS ,GAZA? ITS A JOKE ?
If you were told to stay in your house the rest of your life, would you do it? "It will be 'interesting' to hear these activists cry" - is that something you're looking forward to? Just another cruel, racist comment from someone who has zero concern for Palestinians.
So no law will be broken. Israel has left Gaza remember, so it is doing something illegal.
That's the point, my cousin. Israel proudly claims that it has "moved out of Gaza" in 2005, but by denying the aid ships to enter Gaza's territorial waters (which is NOT Israeli territorial waters) just proves that Israel has NOT moved out of Gaza. It may have moved out of it's land, but not from it's air and water. Gaza is still an occupied territory and and history proves that those who fight occupation will eventually always win.
Those are stolen. The "laws" there are false laws created by a regime that took the area by force. No one is under any obligation to follow them.
Gaza is not Israel and its territorial waters are not territorial waters of Israel. The enclave suffers collective punishment in form of cruel blockade.
A counter Flotilla to the North of Cyprus occupied by the brutal Turks.
Gaza is not part of Israel. Only a deluded Zionist would think otherwise.
the waters outside Gaza are not Israeli territorial waters.
Israel has no sovereignty over Gaza or its waters in law. It has no legal jurisdiction at sea off the Gaza coast. It is besieging Gaza and is therefore legally the temporary occupying power. That doesn't give it 'sovereignty' though - the Israeli navy has simply forced its way into sovereign Palestinian waters and is trying to dictate to the world from there. You are simply wrong; Lieberman is simply ignorant, dishonest or both.
Which law? Israel law?
Enter Israeli territorial waters? Uh, no.
Hey teach, Better do your homework as to why Turks had to save North Cyprus.
Sent by Ahmadinijad. His thinking was It beats 3 men by miles
A few boats scare this government so much that it would damage it's failing reputation even further? Why not just let the flotilla pass, seemingly unnoticed? And effectively gain the upper hand, the higher ground, so to speak. Is not Israel a confidant power? Is it totally ignorant of how to surprise and thus steal the spotlight? Given how creative and intelligent jewish individuals are, you would think they would have more creative and intelligent leaders.
The problem for the Israelis is that letting it pass would set a precedent, and instead of turning all ships away from Gaza, they would have to devote resources to inspecting shipping. From a purely strategic point of view, their siege is a lot tighter if the inspections are done in the controlled environment of the crossing points rather than at sea. However, I do not condone the siege, and I do believe that it is unsustainable. This situation is lose-lose as far as Israel is concerned. They can either choose to loosen their grip on Gaza, or face the inevitable PR fallout.
the father of giload shalit asked these "people" to deliver a package to his son being held captive by those terrorists these "people" want to feed and support. these terrorist sympathizers said "no!" They are criminaly unjust and terrrorists... not us.
On one hand you're right to let it pass unnoticed, but on the other hand it will set a precedent which Israel cannot afford because the next 100 shipments could be loaded full of rockets. I don't see what's wrong with docking at a port close to Gaza. Hopefully this will all get filmed and we'll see how peaceful these protesters really are.
Why wont they let them pass? You think the fact that rockets, mortors and RPGs may be part of the aid package would have something to do with the Israelis wanting to search the cargo.
Israel has intercepted ships carrying munitions to Hamas and Hezbollah many times. These "humanitarians" refuse to even carry a letter for Schalit. The are clearly partisan, and cannot be relied on to "only" carry humanitarian aid.
Why not just lift all blocakes and restirctions and move along the Geneva and Arab peace intitiaves? Not for Libermanishly intelligent Israel,,,
you state "Why not just let the flotilla pass, seemingly unnoticed?" once they stop checking whats coming in, there will be an endless supply of rockets to be used against Israeli citizens. Thats why. Any other questions?
israel is mean.
When the constables write tickets to vandals who deface public property it does not diminish our reputation. England remains a confident power precisely because we have law enforcement and not due the an indulgence of petty criminality. You naive anarchists couldn't run a football club, never mind a country. The Israelis are justly enforcing the law by putting away these hooligan cheap publicity hounds who care not a whit for the true needs and the true suffering of the Palestinians.
Read Bernard Levi's interview in HaAretz this week-end.
....spotlights have rights too...
You're right! (sarcasm) They are doing something about it which shows how little they care. Meanwhile those, who like you really bleed for them, do nothing!
Wher? When? Why? What? No more questions. I am going to lunch.
Thanks for the ENLIGHTENMENT !
....to threaten to use force against the Gaza aid ships. What else does it ever use except force...especially against those weaker than it...
THAT WAS WHAT??? AN OFFERED COMPROMISE THAT WOULD ENSURE THAT WHAT WAS BEING DELIVERED WASN'T WEAPONS, BUT WAIT? WHAT HAPPENED? OH YA THE FLOTILLA REFUSED. AND AS SUCH SINCE ISRAELI SECURITY CAN NOW NOT BE GUARANTEED, ISRAEL, BEING RESPONSIBLE TO ITS CITIZENS, I.E. THE PEOPLE WHO PAY TAX, LIKE A BUSINESS BEING RESPONSIBLE TO ITS SHAREHOLDERS. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE RISK. I MEAN HOLY SH*T HOW MEAN IS ISRAEL WHEN IT DOES NOT ALLOW THE TERRORIST NEXT DOOR TO HAVE ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING SO THAT IT COULD ATTACK IT. MAN GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR BEHIND.
Hamas declaered an pursues a war on Israel which makes GAza a war zone. The blockade of Gaza is not different to the blockade on Geramany in WW2, only more humane. Food and essential are getting through.
They provide humanitarian aid for those that attempt to kill them over and over. They try to make peace with people that have no intention of ever allowing them to live in peace. If Israel put down her weapons she would be destroyed in 24 hours. If her Arab neighbors put down their weapons, we would find instant peace in the middle east.
It works most of the time.
days of Israel's glory has gone for ever. You can not be glorified while you occupty and oppress people. It simply doesn't add up.
Apparently there are no glorious Arab states then because every Arab state oppresses everyone it can and attempts to occupy their enemies. In fact every Arab nation surrounding Israel has attempted to destroy it over and over, and what do you think they would do if they won the war? Not occupy and oppress the Jews for sure right??? So you go ahead and tell me the Arab intent of attacking Israel over and over since the day it was established.
so...you're in London, the IRA is sending 2000 rockets a year into the city, they have sworn to eradicate all Londoners, a bunch of sympathizers are on a convoy to help provide aid to these people and the Royal Navy says NO! makes sense to me
I don't know, man. Looking back into the past most nations glorified themselves by occupation and oppression.
.....yeah, but occuptationists are paid well....
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